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Tenmyouji was right
Where does Zero come from in Q-End 2 he just appears for Q to point at him
>>344489721
He must be so disappointed in his younger self.
>lel let's just shift to the perfect timeline like selfish pricks
Worse than Alice and Clover combined.
>>344490049
>not getting the twist
bro he was there the entire game and everyone knows but you
>>344489721
Technically he is wrong though. Nobody is happy. They shift to a world whereall 8 billion are dead.
Would you go to an Escape Room based on Zero Escape?
>>344490704
Yes.
>>344490704
You talking about the stuff in LA? Yeah but I'm nowhere near it.
>>344489721
Agreed
>>344489721
>world were
Typos will always make me mad.
>>344489721
>cuck
>right
>>344490801
>tfw was too busy during AX to try this
>>344490049
Off-camera
>>344490801
I don't want to get mind hacked irl bro
>>344490856
Pretty sure he says it correctly though.
ZTD had an awful mistake if I recall in both the text and VA. It's during the route wherePhi is in the incinerator and Sigma is strapped to the chair with the gun to his head. If you remember, the gun can be loaded with 6 cartridges. Three of them are blanks and the other three are real so he has a 50% chance of living. I'm pretty sure Zero says that Sigma has a 6 in 3 chance of living which is wrong. It should be 3 in 6. Such a trivial mistake.I hope I am remembering it wrong. It would be nice if someone can confirm me on this.
>>344490229
>>344491151
Alright, how does everyone know Sean's name after the initial reveal in another timeline?
Why does Carlos try to rape Akane?
>>344490049
He was there all along, first they push the wheelchair in the right position and then they start acting
>>344491404
>Why does Carlos try to rape Akane?
If you played that route through then you know what he was actually trying to do.
>>344491404
Play the game and read the files dude.
>>344491370
You are correct
>>344491370
I remember this too and I got confused for a second before realizing they fucked up.
>>344489721
>>344490816
Tenmyouji was underrated as hell
>She's not anywhere
Almost teared up.
Tbh as much as ZTD was kind of a clusterfuck I'm more sad that Uchikoshi's wild ride is over. ZTD definitely has a lot of issues and isn't the conclusion I wanted but even if it was I'd still be sad I'll never get to see Luna and Snake and Phi ever again.
And for all of ZTD's fuckups it still had some great moments. I'm gonna miss Carlos and Sean and even fuckin Eric and Diana single-handedly ending the world and blowong up the shelter because she pushed a button that said DO NOT PUSH
The ride's over and I'm gonna miss it Anons
>>344491592
>>344491641
God damn it. I was hoping I was misremembered. How did they fuck that up.
>>344491717Life is truly unfair.
>>344491404
The Sean thing was super confusing too but what I got from it was that earlier in that route when he connected to the supercomputer and fuzzed out the camera and explained everything to Eric and Mira he told them his name and we just didn't see it
Nobody else in the shelter even knows Sean exists until then besides them
I bought VLR a month or so ago for 3DS but haven't played it yet, should I change it to the Vita version? Seems like ZTD's Vita version is clearly better, and 999 might get it's own Vita version too so everything on 1 platform would be neat. What do you guys think?
>>344490801
>Buy up abandoned areas in Detroit
>set up escape games there
>Kill(Read Rob) the ones who are voted out
>White people will praise it as a good experience and Jamal and his 15 kids can afford to eat a Big Mac a day for a year again.
>>344491896
>earlier in that route when he connected to the supercomputer and fuzzed out the camera and explained everything to Eric and Mira he told them his name
Doesn't explain how they know his name in all the other timelines. He probably told them before the very first vote. We just conveniently never see him do it,just like him asking Eric and Mira about old man Q.
So Eric is his own father and Mira kills her older self based on the epilogue files right?
>>344492039
Vita is fine, though I'd recommend steam more
>>344492039
Where 999 is being ported to isn't confirmed. PC seems likely but I don't think that it's official. Heard nothing about the Vita.
As for playing VLR on 3DS or Vita. That's your choice. 3DS version is nice with the dual screens but there is the rare glitch that can fuck up your game. The 3DS version of ZTD is like a step back.
>>344491896
He tells them as soon as they wake up for the vote, we just don't get to see it.
>>344492773
>there is the rare glitch that can fuck up your game
what's that all about?
The ZE series ends without Akane and Junpei kissing onscreen, even though they do end up together
Fucking Uchikoshi couldn't help but be Japanese just for one instance
>>344492039
3DS
>dual screens
>a touchscreen/pen for precision
>you can actually take notes with the pen
>worst looking version by far
>sub 30 framerate
>terrible audio
>portable and comfy
Vita
>larger screen than the 3DS
>can't take notes with your fingers but you can take screenshots
>higher resolution
>30 fps and relatively stable
>touch screen smugggeees
>fingers+touchscreen+tiny objects = bombs exploding
>portable and comfy
PC
>best looking
>60fps
>best sound quality
>mouse>pen>fingers
>not portable or comfy
I got the Vita and the PC version and ended up completing it on the Vita because I could play it in bed or on the sofa. The lack of pen on the Vita really is a bummer with a lot of the puzzles.
>>344493480
Saving in the PEC or Crew Quarters corrupts your save.
Apparently it has a small chance to happen in any puzzle room, though.Worst I've gotten is my game crashing when I saved in the Archives.
>>344493480
don't save inside a puzzle room
>>344493624
>>344492039
Disregard the part about PC, everything else is applicable though.
>>344493663
The game loves to crash in the PEC regardless. I even got a crash in the archives doing the dumb dice puzzle.
No corruptions though since I only saved outside of puzzle rooms
>>344493663
It happened to me and it happened to a lot of people because no-one is googling "Zero Escape" while playing the game or hanging out in threads due to spoilers. It could have easily happened to me this time around with ZTD if such a bug existed.
>>344493480
Just that. It is a glitch that isn't really well understood. It occurs most often in the PEC room during the escape portion. Basically the room is prone to crashing. If you happen to save and the game decides to crash, you're (only) save is fucked.
That said, I have played VLR twice and saved constantly everywhere. I have never had the glitch happen to me.
If you are paranoid, there are ways to protect yourself against the glitch. The easiest thing to do is to avoid saving in escape rooms. If you have a 3DS that can run CFW, someone made an app that automatically backs up your save for carts or digital. If you get corrupted, it's easy to restore your save. Pretty nice option.
>>344489721
>Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots?
Yes.
>>344493980
>It could have easily happened to me this time around with ZTD if such a bug existed
But with there are 3 saves in ZTD. If there was a bug, you can at least spread your save across the files. With VLR, that option doesn't exist within the game.
No bugs in ZTD that I know about though.
>>344493618
What is it with Japanese people and their absolute aversion to any sort of showing of affection on screen? I remember feeling the same when I played FF8 and got to the part where Squall almost kills himself to save Rinoa and basically realizes he loves her, then when they survive and get on the space station it's the same awkward juvenile "I d-don't really like you girls are icky."
>>344493663
>You will never pair up with K in the AB Game again
It hurts
>>344493624
>sub 30 framerate
This will do it for me alone, I can't fucking stand 3DS games having shitty performance, which is practically all the time, and nobody bats a fucking eyelash.
>>344491370
I forget where, but they also say something like 1:2 chances when they mean 1/2 chances.
How many times did it take you guys to get three 1's on the dice roll?
Just curious on what the statistics really are
>>344496013
It took me three tries
>>344496013
It always gives you three 1s on the third try, sorry to burst your bubble.
>>344494202
You can backup saves even without CFW. There's an option in the settings.
>>344493624
Forgot that with Vita and 3ds you get a physical copy.
That's what clenched the vita version for me, needed to round out my physical collection.
>>344496607
Yes, true. That is a valid way of going about it.
However, the app makes it piss easy. Once it is installed, all you have to do is launch VLR for both backing up or restoring saves. It doesn't get easier than that.
>>344496013
I was at it for 6 hours dude
>>344496013
Took 3 tries for me. Not surprising. No one would sit there and replay that 200+ times
>>344496013
Got it first go, not even kidding
>>344490816
>>344489721
>mfw Tenmyouji was a better character than ZTD Junpei
What went wrong?
>>344492106
Go back to sleep, Gordain.
>>344494641
It's considered rude in public but I've seen kissing scenes on Japanese TV before. So, I donno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHCxdlZ7G18
Life is simply unfair, all because of a single solitary snail.
>>344496013
Has anyone tried doing it in real life? Took me three hours before I got them.
>tfw D team didn't get an epilogue
>>344499242
top kek
that feel when you pick the wrong locker despite the 90% odds
>>344499116
>Orange hue around eyes
It's called makeup.
>you come home from a long day of work
>you decide to take a nice bath once you get home
>you open the door to find carlos lounging your living room couch
>he says "i think this is a misunderstanding"
what do
>3ds version is late shipping so i had to pirate the PC version in order to play it
>audio would just cut out every 5 minutes
>had to minimize the game and reopen hundreds of times
literally no winning
>>344499116
Phi a cute still
>>344494202
people talk about this glitch on the 3ds version all the time, but when I played using the copy I got off amazon, the save button was greyed out for the entirety of the PEC room
shits been patched
>>344500979
>hey guys i found a glitch in the game
>for some reason the save button is greyed out for the entirety of the PEC room
>is there a fix to this?
>>344500979
Yeah, I've heard about that for the physical version of VLR. Looks like there exists at least 2 physical versions of the game out there for the 3DS.
Something like that would be piss easy to roll out in new physical versions since it's a pretty minor change. Still a shame they have no idea what the fuck causes it.
>>344499116I know people called the whole Papa Sigma and Mama Diana thing before release,but that whole sequence that lead up to the reveal was just heartbreaking.
Is it possible to get three 1s on the dice roll normally or is it rigged? I mean it's only 1/216, someone that played the game had to have gotten it before three tries.
>akane junpei getting married
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>344496718
same, hope 999 is physical on Vita too. I'll play it again for the easy plat.
>>344501735
I did, see >>344497580
>>344490801
> tfw there would be no escape room where you're strapped down to a chair while a qt grill fondles your junk looking for clues
Phi is a champion in VLR for willing to cater to old man Sigma's swimsuit obsession.
It's really a shame the characters didn't get very developed in this one, Sean was super great and had a lot of potential.
>>344501814
Niggas denied it would happen but my boy itchytushie pulled through
>>344490801
>>344490704
>mfw i went to one of these with my friends and we literally didnt even solve 10% of the room before running out of time
also, i hope uchikoshi releases a light novel explaining how they stop the religious fanatic
>>344501967
>tfw your dad wants to ogle you in a swimsuit
I don't know why, but Zero Escape remind me about a manga called Psyren.
>>344502024
Better shift back to the point where you can try again.
>>344500901
If I was a girl I'd totally husbando Carlos.
>>344502179
>Psyren follows Ageha Yoshina, a high school student who is chosen by Nemesis Q as a participant in the Psyren games. The games take place in a world known initially as Psyren, which is revealed to be the real world a decade in the future. Ageha and his friends attempt to alter the future and save the world from becoming Psyren.
>>344502179
>Psyren.
is it good?
>>344493663
This caused me to not finish the game for 3 years. Got pretty far in only to have my save be corrupted. Didnt want to go back since i couldnt skip all the useless shit. And I didnt want to go back through all that.
>>344502179
I read this shit forever ago. it was fucking amazing should have gotten a decent anime adaptation
>>344496013
Its three times for everyone. Anyone that says otherwise is lying. Akane even mentions it specifically "What if we did it three times?" And gives the odds for it.
>>344502475
I read 8 volumes and stopped for no reason, but it was pretty fun.
Feels like somekind of Gantz with psychic people and complex powers. Don't know why never got any anime adaptation, it's from the Weekly Shonen Jump.
>>344500901
I'd tell him to seek a way into my boi pussi
>>344502728
>complex powers
So why was everyone cool with Mira in the end if they knew she was a psychotic killer from the memories of the other timelines?
>>344491896
>>344492256
It's not as confusing as it seems. When Sean and Zero are discussing who Sean was based on in the Reality fragment, the exact wording in response to "Who was he?" was "He was called Sean... The same name as you." We assumed he was learning that his name was Sean because we thought he was calling himself Q, but if you reread it, Zero is simply stating that the boy shared his name, which he already knew. Q team presumably knew his name was Sean from the beginning too.
>>344503034
>either deal with the serial killer that has killed a couple of you in a few timelines
>or deal with the smug mind hacker in front of you who forced your friends into a deadly game in every timeline
Delta just had a higher priority. I'm sure they addressed the awkward question later.
Inside this spoiler there is a cat. Since you can't observe or measure it from the outside, it is both alive and dead at the same time. If you observe what is inside of this spoiler, the cat will either be alive or dead with a probability of 50% for each. The cat has done nothing wrong and it's contained in a pretty tight spoiler with little space.
What will you do?
>Free an innocent feline
or
>Kill the cat on the spot?
>>344494641
I recall Sigma and Diana showing a hell of a lot of affection in one timeline.
>>344503505
nice, i got alive kitty
>>344503505
>Nyakane became Schrodinger's Cat
neat
>>344500901
I bet it's a misunderstanding alright *unzips pants and submit myself to him*
>>344503505
Wew. My cat's alive.
I probably would have killed myself if I opened it up and it was dead.
>>344503505
Good, got a dead one.
>>344502214
what did he mean by this
>>344503505
No, for real I...!
My finger just...
It wasn't me!
>>344501924
I'm all there is anon. Present them in my hand.The clues I mean you sick fuck
>>344496013
The gunshot was worse. I think it took me six tries to get a blank.
>>344498291
Now put a skateboard under him, upside down, like he just pulled a sweet kickflip
>>344504042
I was opposite.
>mfw 1/10 people got trolled by the monty hall lockers
>Q Team's Epliogue
Ok, what the fuck. Why would they even propose to change history and create a timeline branch where Mira never murders the woman? Doesn't that prevent anything from ZTD from even happening in that history?
>>344504505
I am that 1/10 person. I was and still am fucking pissed.
>>344504468
>Make braindead puzzles and give the game a terrible art style to appeal to westerners
>It's still too hard for them
>>344504468
That person is just lazy. Most of the puzzles in the ZE series don't throw you for a loop.
>>344504468
If there's anything to NOT complain about in ZTD, it's the logic used in the puzzle rooms.
>>344503875
Huh, I guess the whole termite analogy went nowhere after all.
>>344504468
>Would be a great game without the game.
wew
>>344504468
I had a hard time understanding a word he's saying.
>>344489721
Too bad that despite the shit Tenmyouji says he still caved just for a chance at seeing Akane again after like 70 years, and then ended up old and miserable making a living salvaging garbage and spanking it to dirty magazines.
Meanwhile ZTD Junpei SHIFTed, got over the ethical shit, and got to marry Akane and pound her 10/10 booty all night every night in a timeline with no apocalypse.
>>344504837
What do you mean? He was creating an analogy between the structures termites build and the "structures" humans build when they make decisions. Hence you get that tree in the timeline flowchart.
>>344504468
All of them were pretty easy except for the Transporter one.
Then again, I'm bad at math.
Threadly reminder that Eric did nothing wrong.
>>344505040
>>344504468
Modern gaming, everyone.
If you were Eric and didn't know anything about VLR and 999, would you believe all that bullshit about morphogenetic fields?
>>344504662
>terrible art style
It was better than the last games though, but the 3D models were shit but I can get behind them.
>>344505134
>Eric did nothing wrong
He was a huge cuck. Mira felt nothing for him.
>>344505251
Diana was fine with Sigma's consciousness coming from 2074. She even fucked him later.
>>344505254
Nah
>>344505107
Diana even spells out the answer for you if you click enough times.
>>344505098
Oh yeah, I get that part. I was expecting another Blick Winkel when he made that analogy.
>>344490704
Yes. I went to an Escape Room in Calgary that was easy as piss, I'd love one that's actually difficult.
>>344505107
The transporter puzzle doesn't require math at all besides from multiplying the floating numbers. You can figure out everything with logic.
>>344502189
PUSH THE BUTTON
>>344505251
Fuck no. This damn brat is bullshitting me, these people are fucking crazy, and my ANGEL is DEAD.
>>344505254
I thought the art and models were fine for what they were. The lip-sink sucked though.
At the end of it all, I still enjoyed 999 sprites the most. Granted they weren't special but they just appeal to me more. Can't say exactly why.
>>344504598
She goes back in time and creates another branch. It doesn't affect the branch they were on.
>>344505717
The sprites are something I enjoyed too, and I like pixels.
Like I said I can get behind this game's terrible models and animating but it made this game looked like it had an obviously low budget.
>>344505134
What was the point of him being in the game even?
>>344489721
Tenmyoldy was best Junpei by far
>>344505875
So then in theory, all of the events seen in VLR will happen because those are all branches. However, the characters are effectively able to choose which branch they want to live in via SHIFTing.
>>344506015
Relatively normal guy (as in, not an esper), person out of the loop, casualty of the original timeline.
>>344505875
Yeah but what I'm saying is in that new branch they're creating none of the events of ZTD would ever happen.
>>344506015
He wanted shotgun.
>>344506525
Pirate it if you want it so badly.
>>344500901
I'd invite Grumpy Jumpy to the party
>>344498291
>How do you do, fellow kids?
>>344505251
I would, simply because the probability of me, a random ice cream shop clerk, getting kidnapped in a facility full of death traps is so unlikely that I'd buy anything
>>344506754
Grandpa! I never saw this side of you!
>>344506015COMPLEXMOTIVES
>>344506754I'm starting to like this pairing now
>>344506868
TELL ME ABOUT QUARK
WHAT DOES HE HIDE IN HIS HAT?
>>344507012
snacks
>>344505251
By that point I'd have seen a quantum computer, an alien teleportation device, and myself somehow managing to date a really hot slut so I'd be ready to believe just about anything.
>>344507012
>>344507125Grandpa's "video" collection
>>344507012
Rockets
>>344507012
Missiles.
>>344506420Mira killed his mom. Other than that I dont know. I guess they needed new people for a team they could put Delta on. We probably would have been more pissed if Q was on D or C team and they didnt notice anything until that far in. Q team was the only team they could pull their bullshit off camera stuff.
>>344507012
A brain tumor
>>344506502
Yes, and? The events still occur in other timelines, Phi and Delta still exist in timelines that don't result in their birth because the transporter can travel through time.
Anyone else burst out laughing here?
>>344507276
They needed someone to scoop ice cream at DCOM. Duh.
I'm happier that there wasn't a chicken sandwich stand.
so..
>eric's mom walks down different path because snail
>gets killed by mira
>akane's dad is arrested for it
>his cab driver takes surgeon about to work on sean
>sean dies, akane's mom an heros, eric's dad kills chris eventually
>delta is sad about sean so he makes the robots
Anything I missed? Is Sean the younger brother of Brother mentioned in VLR?
>>344507479
But that new timeline would have a future nuclear terrorist wiping out humanity without a team of 9 individuals capable of utilizing the power of friendship to stop him.
>>344506015
I mean, he's part of the experiment because Mira wanted to join. They are probably the only people who are in the experiment to begin with, so he got into this mess without a good reason.
>>344507624
I burst out laughing at a lot of ZTD. Mostly the quick cuts to characters facial expression reactions.
>>344507631
Brother's brother(Left) in VLR was the son of the family who raised him. Sean was just a genius kid he met at the hospital that he liked
>>344507624
I gave a chuckle. I mean, Carlos' response is justified.
>>344507624
I know I was
Junpei is a cunt
>>344507624
Yes. Carlos has so many amazing reactions to being told horrible news.
>>344507624
C team best team
>>344507821
Sean could also access the morphogenetic field like Carlos' sister could. Delta says he'd give Sean books in exchange for information about other timelines.
>>344507658
We're talking about the snail that changed the world here, it's not hard to believe that the waves created by altering that event causes the terrorist to never emerge, but even if he does, shifters will still be around to eventually find a timeline that stops him. Mira already knows about it and can form a team ahead of time.
how are you able to choose seans decisions even though Delta cant Mind hack him?
>Phi was the Snake/Quark of ZTD
feels bad man
>>344508264
Regular hacking.
>>344508379
>Those
>C CUPS
>>344508379
Damn. Was Phi's skirt really that short?
>>344508264
He's a fucking computer than Delta controls.
>>344508379
I wished they made more scenarios until nobody is left in the shelter. I would have liked to see Phi coping being the sole survivor or what Akane actually did after leaving the X-Door.
>>344508379
>Phi was the Snake/Quark of ZTD
What did you mean by this?
>>344508882
dead/missing a lot of the time and used as a plot device
>>344492539
Yes, it's all easily explained in Eric's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw
>>344500903
I had a weird audio glitch too but it didn't happen that often, maybe once every 10 scenes. At some point the text and audio would stop and the characters would keep replaying the last animation they were doing.
It was easily fixed by opening and closing the menu though, which got the scene to continue playing
>>344507573
We need a version of this where instead of "DO NOT PRESS THIS BUTTON" it says "SHOW SPOILER"
What does the anagram message mean?
It's not for fanatic bio r right?
somehow I just can't see ZTD as long-winded Zero II
>mira and eric dont have any special abilities
>being around a bunch of shifters allows them to eventually shift too
>q is with them the whole game and still never becomes a shifterLife is simply unfair.
>>344510601
Pretty sure it's telling you to pay attention to the anagram when they explain what it really means.
>>344510825
*ZTD Sigma
10 months
WHO WAS THE FUCKER WHO EMITTED THE THEORY THAT DIANA AND SIGMA WERE PARENTS OF PHI HOLY FUCK
besides that it was a good game but too many fuck ups
How do I best experience the game?
Do I stick with one team until I complete all available fragments? Or do I switch to another team after I finish one fragment from another team?
>>344511750
you kill eric at all possible opportunities
>>344511750
Play it in any order. Finish everything you can in a fragment before jump to next.
>>344511750
phi is sigma and dianas kid
delta is zero, phis brother
>>344511750
I did all I could for one team before moving on. I guess it doesn't really matter though. It's all fragmented anyway.
reminder
So Aoi was cool with his sister going alone into a deathtrap of a facility? Is he on Rhizome 9? Why was he cucked out of existence so hard?
>>344512068
>nothing about Sean's Good End node being yellow while all of the other Q nodes are green
>>344489721
Delta did nothing wrong
>>344512068
Ever17 spoilersWhen I started writing down all the X-passes I came across, I took note of Q's passes and actually thought at one point that Blick Winkel would be involved with Q's existence. Or a very similar thing to Blick Winkel at least. "EYE" (-I-), "SELF", "AGE" (wasn't as sure about this one), "BRO" (Onii-chan, as Coco calls him)... yea okay, this was never really going to be true, since the Infinity series is separate from Zero Escape in the end. My love for E17 is too strong.
Of course it doesn't help that ??? was dropped entirely. That just sucks.
>>344497965
Isn't he just saying it like '3 to 1 odds'?
I got extremely stuck at one point in the game and couldn't figure out how to unlock the next fragmentI thought I already tried letting the clock out when Eric wants to know who killed Mira
Was I the only one?
>>344503505
Clicked before reading. Cat is dead. I regret nothing.
>>344514174
And when I say Q, I mean Sean
>>344514454
same, I got really annoyed
fragments make it a pain in the ass to find out where you need to go to for different story locks
>>344514454
Nope, got stuck on the same thing. Except I just assumed he would shoot you regardless if you didn't have an answer for him. I thought the game wanted you to figure out who killed Mira.
post your favorite moments from the series in the form of silly images
>think Delta is actually Eric so that Eric ends up being relevant to the plot
>get to the "WHO IS ZERO" question
>input "you"
>Eric freaks out and shoots people
>input "Delta", thinking it must want that specific name to make Eric reveal himself or that maybe he had memory loss from self-administered drugs
>Sean turns and points to the camera
>Eric remains just Eric
I had expectations
>>344490704
I did that one. Was good. Had some slight technical difficulties but a creative GM got us through that. Also my group caused everyone to die in the last 30 seconds.
>>344514654
>>344514623
It was fun seeing all the different dialogues Eric had though
I think that was when I clued in to there being 4 people on Q team
I know I'm asking for trouble here since I haven't finished the game, but when the fuck do I get any significant info about what's going on? At least in the previous games I felt like I was getting somewhere after doing a puzzle room. Here its like I'm plodding along, doing room after room and getting nowhere, plot-wise.
>Alice and Clover didn't Schrodinger's Cat their way into the story
>weren't even fucking mentioned
THANK YOU BASED UCHI
>no secret ending where Seven crawls in through the air vents and saves everyone
>>344515230
I thought I spoiled myself in the days leading up to the release. All on different days I noticed 3 different threads in the catalog with Seven as OP's picture.
Happy he never showed up for that reason
>the 18 inches Sigma wasn't a meme
based Uchikoshi
>>344514835
>>think Delta is actually Eric so that Eric ends up being relevant to the plot
Yup, thought the exact same thing after that fragment with Zero saying that he's dead in the current timeline (timeline where all of Q-team is dead). Thought Eric would be it, and that was an exciting idea actually. It fired me up. Didn't except it, and it would've made him a much more interesting character all of a sudden. I started thinking more about the backstory he told earlier.
But no. Got mindhacking old man with complex motives.
Black bar general and all but I'm barely starting the game kind of, maybe like 10 hours in doing C team stuff.
Can anyone explain why Junpei is so fucking cold and like almost seemingly nihilistic now?
He said he joined a detective agency, I read in one of those scenes but he also seems to harbor some animosity towards akane too?
What's going on, without too much spoilers please. Unless it is some huge twist, in that case nevermind, I'll carry along with highly uncharacteristic Junpei. it just fucks my mind that this is the same guy from 999??
So why didn't Sigma/Diana/Phi get an after story cinema?
>>344515637
He's Grumpy Jumpy now
>>344515637
you will get spoiled, i kinda felt the same way just play the fucking game
>>344515637
He explains it later, just play the fucking game. Might as well ask why Zero II is running this decision game, but no spoilers please.
>>344514454
I actually just answered 'dunno' on my first go. I was pretty impressed that it worked.
So why did zeroshoot Gab before the jump/don't jump scene? What was the point in that. He said he'd done two good things but I don't get the point of this as one of them.
>>344515874
Because he hasComplex motives
anyone else think that actually getting married in the end kinda ruined the significance of their story? I thought it worked best when they both had feelings for the other but due to the necessities of Akane's plans, they can never make it work. Compared to Tenmyouji quietly saying his Akane isn't anywhere, the scenes in ZTD just feel saccharine and ill-fitting.
>>344515637
iirc the end of 999 had Akane push him away and that hurt him. He's a bit bitter and the world hasn't treat him well. The same Jumpy is in there though, he'll peek through from time to time
>>344515952Complex motives
>>344515952
I think it's so that nobody would go full retard and say "w-we can't leave Gab behind"
>>344515952
'Cause no one liked that piece of shit annoying ass of a dog? Old fucker got what was coming to him, good riddance.
>>344515952So they wouldnt feel bad about jumping and leaving him to die. Delta wanted them to jump so he took away a reason to stay
COMPLEX
>>344515637
Because akane made him commit sudoku
>>344515982
>>344515874
>>344515774
Thanks. I'll bear with it confused until the game reveals it.
>we will never get to see any of Grumpy Jumpy's detective adventures with Seven
life is simply unfair
>>344516404
Thats how youre supposed to play every ZE game
>>344503505
i have spoilers turned off nice dead cat idiot
>>344503505
>replies are previous SHIFTs
Woah...
>>344504505
I got reverse trolled because I WANTED to die.
Took me 4 tries.
>>344515092
Things start escalating after Ambidex. But I had the same feelings when I was playing, the fragments + set separated teams was a bad idea overall because the characters didn't get much of a chance to develop and progress was constantly erased until they could find a way around it.
>>344516586
How many times I need to explain that Kyle is Gab.
>>344516792
Kyle is the Snail.
>>344516868
Kyle is the player.
>>344516937
So... Kyle is Delta? I wish.
Poor Kyle got the same amount of mentions in the game as Lagomorph
More than Alice/Clover/Snake though
>>344516937
Kyle is Uchikoshi
So Sigma is my favorite video game character ever
>>344516102
Delta, pls go.
>>344512068
Another thing that takes on a different meaning in retrospect is Mira pointing her gun at Eric instead of Sean in the study. I thought it was weird that she was protecting him over someone she already had a relationship with but when you realize Sean isn't actually connected to the x-passes and killing him will gain her nothing then it makes a lot more sense. Although, it's still kind of weird she doesn't go for the deaf mute decrepit old man and even seems taken aback when you choose to kill him in Perceptive End but I guess even serial killers have standards.
Just go back in time and step on the fucking snail
i've been thinking about getting this canvas printed but i've never into art, would it look okay?
can I still discuss the game here even if I haven't completed it yet?
It seems that I got stuck, I can't find any new paths or sections newly unlocked, just found out aboutQ's namebut it seems that's not quite enough, went back to the part where Q team ispointing at each other with gunsand tried to enterSeanas name but it gives me an error
>>344515980
I can't help but think that Uchi was pressured by AkanexJunpei shippers and gave them what they want. I'm beginning to think Akane wasn't originally supposed to be part of ZTD at all.
>>344519116
uchi is one of those shippers, just read his Q&A answers
>>344519114
Did you getC-End or D-End:1?
>>344519114
everyone gets stuck here, unlock all the shower death scenes and do the D team time hop quest first
>>344519175
I haveQ end 1 and D end 1was D end 1 the one where phi was injected and it ended up as the VLR timeline right?
after that I don't haveC-endyet
>>344515980
You could say the entire series is about getting them together
>>344519251
already have both shower death scenes for all teams
I'm pretty sure I have all decision points already done for all possible choices
>tfw all those monty hall threads on /v/ over the years prepared me for it
Uchi reads /v/ confirmed
>>344519603
Have you watch all 3 teams' execution scene?
>>344519603
Did you survive Eric asking you about Mira's death yet?
That gets a few people stuck
I didn't even think ZTD was that bad
I'm just sad it's all over
no more crazy theorizing and ruse cruises
>>344519273
Sorry, I meantD-End:2.
>>344519868
It's Umineko all over again.
>>344520261
Speaking of which, Umineko 1-4 just went out on steam at a very reasonable price so I got it. Maybe I'll actually finish it and not shit my pants this time.
>>344519868
Only the last 10% of the game was bad.
Since it is supposed to be the climax, it sucks, but eh.
I don't think the faults are due to budget or time, Uchikoshi just fucked up big time
>>344516726
I needed 4 tries to fail too
wew
>>344519829
oh I could try that now
>>344493624
>best looking
kek
this game looks fucking terrible, animations are so bad i couldn't even keep straight face whenakane was going yandere. i'd rather buy it for 3ds than pc, but i already made my choice
>>344521616
are you retarded
the animations being bad are present across the board
it's just a smaller resolution therefore bad
>>344520478
It lacked that big punch to wrap the whole series together, I was hoping for something to really drive the conclusion of the trilogy home. I was thinking since every other game is just about you acting out Zero's plans, this could be the one where you actually break free from the script. Like the final keikaku showdown between ageless timewizard Akane and MIND HACKER outrusing the master rusers Brother, but it just sorta ended with Delta revealing that he was VLRing everyone through the whole trilogy into tracking down one crazy kebab and everybody's sorta cool with it. Lacked the whole chess-game-through-SPACETIME angle they built up with Blick Winkel.
That said I loved the game, but after the scope of the plot grew with VLR it was disappointing to see it shrink for the series' conclusion.
>>344515952
GAB WASKYLE
What's the point of making Delta 124 years old? The transporter and the whole backstory was added in ZTD, so all the references to it are from ZTD, too.
All Uchi had to do was to say that the transporter was discovered in the 30s oder 40s.
COURAGE IS THE MAGIC TO MAKE DREAMS INTO REALITY
WE'LL SHAPE THIS FUTURE WITH OUR OWN HANDS
>>344522295
They sorta set it up with VLR what with the original Nonary games being associated with Free the Soul. Honestly they could've revealed Delta to be a Nazi trying to avenge his adopted brother Hitler and I would've been on board with it, just so his age is tied into the plot better.
>>344522295
Because muh CQD.
>>344521710
it's subjective. no matter if you're aware of it, you have different expectations when you look at 24" computer display or 3ds screen
Anyone know if there are any secrets behind the number codes used throughout the game? Like how VLR's bomb codes translated to stuff?
>>344522802
Well, it's said that the transporter was in german hand at that time, but this logic is the same. He could have just written that the transporter was discovered by americans and everything would be fine.
>>344522842
Seriously?
How long after the releases of 999 and VLR did Uchikoshi do the Q&As? Kyle deserves answers.
See ? I told you I'd look stupid
>>344523418
Looks fine to me.
>>344523418
Throw some freckles on her
>>344523514
I already did it for a darker hue of ginger
>>344523418
>>344523581
This is not okay. Phi was right.
>>344523291
I don't know, I was just surprised to see something immediately relevant to the game when I looked up the date.
>>344522295
I don't see a reason why Delta couldn't just FAXed himself and continue the work from there.
Before ZTD, I had a theory that he cloned himself somehow at different periods of time so that he can jump between those bodies as necessary. I kind of wished that was the case.
>>344522987
61404091 =April 16, 1904
>>344504505
>haha I know how monty hall works so I'll just switch
>wrong
fuck you
>>344523418
>>344523581
> We'll never know why she has a complex over being a redhead.
W-was she bullied? We'll never know.
>>344525946
She probably like it.
Guys I just got Virtue's last reward after emulating 999. What am I in for?
>>344522842
There's a point where something crosses being clever into being autistic.
>>344526770
as an hopeless optimist i refuse to believe you just went into ZTD thread without playing games, it has to be a bait
>>344525212
faxing moves body, not consciousness
>>344526770
First thing to remember is always trust Dio.
>>344525279
NIGGA
>>344491404
>Why does Carlos try to rape Akane?
KEEP PLAYING IDIOT.
>>344526770
Don't save in puzzle rooms.
Betray Phi when you get the chance.
Dio is a hero.
SIGGYYYY PHIDOOOOO
>>344506525
Nobody is going to gift you a $40 game you stupid motherfucker.
>>344526842
Why would it be bait?
>>344507907
This. When I first saw Carlos at the start of the game I thought he was going to be a stereotypical dudebro, but by the end he was possibly my favourite character.
>>344507012
Kyle
>>344526770
Take notes.
>>344512441
bisexual erasure
anyone got the time to decide PNG ?
>>344507276
But they mention the name of the victim on screen and Eric doesnt seem to put out any reaction upon hearing it
I need the shotgun edition for a friend
Now after finishing ZTD what was the buildup from VLR all about?
What I mean is the other time end where Phi (the one who was sent to the future again and participated in the decision game) refuses to tell you what happened back then because it would "erase" the history in which radical-6 isn't spread.
Kyle's supposed to be an "essential" part for the events of ZTD but where is he then?
So this is how it ends?
Complex motives
Bootstrap Paradoxes
ALIEN TECHNOLOGY
This is it?
>>344529320
>Kyle's supposed to be an "essential" part for the events of ZTD but where is he then?
Take your pick
>>344516792
>>344516868
>>344516937
>>344516982
>>344517392
>>344529491
No, you forgot
MIND HACKS
This is it.
>>344529532
>>344529320
There's still nothing technically preventing Kyle from being Sean.
>>344529549
thanks
>>344529320
That was a different timeline, the real timeline is a history where everything was the same as VLR except for that final scene, it never existed.
>>344529650
>nothing technically preventing Kyle from being Sean
or Mira
or Eric
or Chris
or Eric's mother
or Eric's father
or the operator Diana calls in D-End1
Anybody got the male and female group phone wallpapers
>>344529936
memories
memories
memories
wrong timeline, see below as well
wrong timeline, see below as well
erroneous, only the participants remained at the D-Com site
>>344530068
Mmmmm.
>>344530020
>memories
>memories
>memories
How do you know they have any? Kyle could be a ruse master, just like his brother.
>erroneous, only the participants remained at the D-Com site
What do you mean?
>>344530068
Cheers
>>344529957
forgot where i saved this one
>>344530240
>Kyle is...
>A murderous sociopath
>An emotionally stunted traumatized man
>Dead
>Also dead
>A drunkard and also dead
>Someone we don't even know much about
>Or, you know, the amnesiac with a memory bank of a quantum computer
Went to a real life escape room with my friends today. Pretty easy after playing ZE. Friends were not that great at it, but we had some fun. One muppet spent fifteen minutes on a case even though they hade the right code, because they were pushing the latches up and down instead of to the sides.
Any of you guys been to a real life escape room?
>>344530297
Thanks famalam
>>344530398
>the amnesiac
Wait, you mean Seanbot and not real Sean? You know that Seanbot is a computer program, right?
>>344530643
AI are pretty much the same thing anyhow, Sean even makes allegories to the quantum computer being his hub for thought and action to that of the morphogenetic field being the hub for thought and action to that of a human being
deep down it's all just information
>>344530847
Sure thing, but Kyle SHIFTing through time to become a computer program and losing his personality and his own memories and gaining some memories of Sean is retarded on so many levels that I think it's more likely that Kyle is Gab.
>>344527556
Honestly had the same impression about him. I had little expectations for him at the beginning but he turned out to be my most favorite character in that game.Husbando material, too!
>>344508379
That was Mira. And in VLR it was Alice.
Also, 9th Man anyone?
>>344507631
You're missing when the people were talked to by an "old man"
>read: delta
I'll wait forever
>>344531114
Sean HAS no memories.
>Query: Who am I?
>Answer: You are Sean (729).
>>344531483
I'll wait for a doujin of THISor else I'm gonna make it myself
>>344531287
Bro, what are you smoking. Alice died, Quark was the missing unknown element like Snake. And again with Phi. The snake is the person with the least screentime, and it was definitely those two. Mira and Alice were the Lotus tittymonster that did jackshit
>>344531540
Except the "memories" from him being in a hospital. Sure, they are fake, but there is no indication that he has any "real" memories from Kyle.
But if you want, let's say you're right and Kyle shifted into the Sean program, losing everything that makes him Kyle in the process. What's the point? Seanbot is still more Sean than Kyle and the person we know as Kyle is essentially dead.
>>344512068
>Q's portrait
Honestly, this was so distracting that I knew immediately Q was someone else
>>344512441
If Junpei worked with Seven one time, why did he not tell his fuckboy Aoi to tell Akane to send a fucking christmas card or something
>>344515952
he has autism
>>344510830
>q is with them the whole game and still never becomes a shifter
If you mean Sean, technically he already computed the timelines we know.
If you mean Delta, why should he make himself effectively immortal to babysit humanity forever?
>>344530297
>mira biggest
>just to get some giant cleavo
Why is Delta so different from the Zero that talked to Sean in the ending with the quantum computer?
It's like they were so focused on making Delta COMPLEX that they forgot to give him an actual character. He goes from trying to make the dreams of children come true to murdering dogs for no reason, and then he's setting up incredibly sadistic decision games just because it's "fascinating" and suddenly he just saved the world. What the fuck?
>>344532761
>make the dreams of children come true
Just the one. Delta was presumably in the hospital where Sean was for some reason and became enthralled with him, and through MIND HACKING found out that the fates of Sean, Mira, Eric, Akane, and Junpei were all radically altered by a snail.
>>344523418
>>344523581
Were there any taboos about redheads back in Germany 1904? Maybe 1904 Phi told 2008 Phi why it doesn't work out.
>>344532986
Okay I can buy that Delta grew an attachment to a specific child and all that, but it's still really hard to reconcile the fact that he's a murderous asshole who says one of his motives is that he finds decisions interesting with the fact that his goal was to save the world.
Who the hell puts the collars on the voted off teams and why does Delta put one on himself when they lose?
>>344533369
Seanbots or Delta put the collars on. Delta executes himself because his motives are complex.
>>344533230
He finds "human decisions" interesting. Maybe he knows about [?] and created all these timelines to tick [?] off.
>>344531912
Marlboro cigarrettes
Phi was never missing, they simply forgot she died
>>344533369
>>344533431
The only reason Delta would do that is to keep up the ruse that Sean is Q up. But the only person he would be fucking with is the player. Which would make sense if Uchi followed up on Infirmary - Another Time, but he didn't.
>>344533431
That's right I forgot about those
Been a few days since finishing the game and I still think we got a dumb fucking story.
>>344533591
Honestly if it had come out that Delta was intentionally fucking with the player with the camera angles the twist would have made a lot more story sense.
>>344531738
If you can draw then go for it. Because Japan will not deliver.I myself would prefer it written, but that's because I enjoy imagining things more
>>344531738
>non-lagomorph porn
wew what history do you live in?
>ZTD gets made but low budget
>mediocre graphics and animation
>repetitive, boring puzzles
>weak characterisation
>returning characters feel out of character or underwhelming
>cheapens VLR
>weak villain with COMPLEX MOTIVES
>no tension
>lots of scenes clearly relegated to text dumps because of lack of resources
>no Kyle
Gentlemen, we are truly in the darkest timeline.
>>344533556
But she was missing from the story. We knew where she was, but she was gone. That's why most of D-Team fragments are them teleportating to find her, or getting it on in the shelter. Phi was underused in this game, just like Snake. She may be your waifu or she may not, but you gotta admit it is true
>>344534412
Pretty much sums up the garbage we got. This game shouldn't have been made.
VLR set up something far more compelling than what we got. I'd rather be left in the dark than knowing this stupid shit we got.
Post yfw first reading/hearing MIND HACKING.
This threads are dying bros. It feels bad. Post good shit to stave off the inevitable void
>>344534638
The term mind hacking was really dumb but a similar ability was referenced in 999 and in VLR we were told that Brother could do it, so there shouldn't have been any surprise there.
>finally finished game last night
>now have 39 500+ reply archived threads open
Do I really want to read them?
>>344533230
>he's a murderous asshole
Who exactly did he kill? I don't see any evidence. ;^)
>>344535436
no, 90% of the replies will be the same
Did someone here play the Deponia series?
>>344534638
Dumb frogposter
Sadly I agree with you
>>344535436
Nah the threads that took place during relase are 90% MIND HACK, COMPLEX, SNAIL and TEN MONTHS posts
>>344534030
>Delta was lying about his plans to fool Kyle, who was observing the whole thing by jumping into the quantum computer
>? is Sean
>As you get closer to the climax Delta will begin fucking up the flowchart and fragments to deliberately mess with Kyle
I still think Zero following you back to the scene select and subtly twisting it or blinking on and off the screen would have been terrifying
And hearing K's voice coming from the supercomputer would have made me start screaming
>>344535070
lol no they aren't there's one up almost all the time
It's just that nobody is posting at like 5 AM EST
>>344535909
Yeah. There is always one, but the posters are getting less and less frequent. Eventually we won't be able to sustain one.And I said post good shit.
So what's next for Uchikoshi?
>>344536079
Telling Japan to fuck off hopefully
Worst of the zero escape series
Muh complex motives
I wouldn't have even minded the ending if it actually had one. Giving us s bunch of files to read post game gave me a flaccid feel
Can any of you guys recommend me any books/VNs with time travel plots?The crazier the better
ALready checked out Ghost trick, steins gate and The End of Eternity
>>344536049
We need fresh memes.
>>344536254
Infinity franchise
So much of this game feels like it's ruined because Uchi changed his mind about brother. He doesn't give a fuck about Left anymore? He doesn't like religious fanatics destroying the world?
He would've made much more sense if an apocalyptic event to prevent an extinction-level event was his primary motive, rather than
>WE CAN FORGE OUR OWN DESTINY
>>344534412
should've stayed 2d
>>344536254
Homestuck
>>344536254
Hakomari first volume
>>344536453
999 was the best looking Zero Escape game.
Do you think Akane ever wears the Zero outfit when her and Junpei have sex
>>344536424
It all makes perfect sense, Brother made the game to keep himself in existence, no other reason, he never cared about FtS, or religious stuff.
>>344489721
This game looks like it was kickstarted
>>344496013
I got it on the second throw.
>>344537539
Calling bullshit on that one. It's programmed to give it on the third
>>344537447
It wasn't actually kickstarted, but it probably has the budget of a kickstarter project.
>>344537769
1-3 million dollars?
>>344536424
I feel the same
I wanted to see cult doing cult stuff, and I thought the decisions game was the cults doing and had some meaning.
Turns out it was just the old faggot man with matrix powers having a boner for decisions
Goddammit Zero 2nd was the biggest fucking disappointing twist I can think of right now.
>>344537610
Don't believe me if you want. It fucking happened. On 3DS version if that helps any.
I got 4,5,6 on the first roll and 1,1,1 on my second. I should play Chinchiro in real life or something.
>>344538031
Reminds me of S;G
>the organization is cool as fuck
>I wonder how they're gonna stop them
>2—3 routes later
>muh waifu
>muh other waifu
>>344537610
Just 'cause it's programmed to auto-win on the third run doesn't mean there's not a percentage for first/second to succeed, either.
>>344536317
This
The threads were great when everyone was making new content and laughing about how ridiculous this stuff was rather than just bitching about how shit the game is
>>344540081
To be perfectly fair most of the memes came from extrapolating the ridiculous/shit game tier stuff
>>344540203
>Carlos is Charlie
>Imagine Charlie doing muh 10 months
top fucking kek
WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO ?
I solved everything that was unlocked. I suffered watching acid rain 3 fucking times(seriously that shit need to be censored, it´s horrible death) and now all i am left with are some locked fragments, 3x Force quit box to which i don´t know passwords, Door of truth to which i don´t know password and locked paths in fragments.
Zero, you fucking little shit. How am i supposed to move on ?
>>344540203
Yeah but at least we were having fun with it then.
>>344489721
>mfw amazon "claims" my copy is FINALLY going to be in tomorrow
fucking preordered the spcial edition in fucking july of last year holy shit.
can't wait to get into this and also be able to stop having to avoid threads for spoilers
>>344540640
Post your flowchart.
If not on PC, are you sure there aren't any exclamation marks anywhere? Double check.
>>344522295
To put him before the sinking of the Titanic I guess?
>>344540394
Yeah I figured I might as well put him on the cat spot, as if being the random uncle nobody really knows crashing a family portrait with his cat
>>344540740
On 3ds. Shit man i don´t know what to do.
Who here got a boner from watching Mira's model?
DAMN BRAT
>>344541404
>>344540740
3 locked paths on C
3 locked paths on Q
1 locked path on D
I just can´t move on no matter what i do.
>>344541459
I liked her shoes.
>>344541529
Revisit (don't re-do) ALL the fragments through team select, see if there's anything new instead of in the flowcharts.
>my name is Sean
That ending freaked me out for a second there
>>344541719
All i have left open are Force quit boxes, Door of truth and 4 option when Q is shooting someone which i have no idea what could it be. Otherwise everything complete or locked up (like 3rd decision in AB game, or Carlos sin).
>>344536152
So we can get more games like Zero Time Dilemma?
>first MGSV and now this
Fuck. Is it possible to get excited for a game and have it deliver anymore? To its credit I still enjoyed ZTD overall and it's not as big of a fucking trainwreck as MGSV, but still it's underwhelming.
>>344541987
Try revisiting the Door of Truth, I think that's next on the list. seek that unlock out.
>>344541987
Did you get all team executions? It's pretty easy to get stuck.
>>344519251
>>344542050
Hopefully, ZTD is still the best ZE game
>>344541987
Go back and redo all of the votes for whom to execute in the first instance making sure you get each cutsceneof C, D and Q team having their heads blown off.
You'll know you did it because the 4 circles in the top left of the flowchart will be lit up. Until you do this you won't be guaranteed to unlock all fragments.
>>344542067
>Is it possible to get excited for a game and have it deliver anymore?
HMH2 wasdecent
>>344542293Carlos killing 6 billion people
>>344542105
I don´t know password.
>>344542215
I tried that but it didn´t work. From where should i start in fragment ? Whole fragment or is it ok if i start from vote ?
>>344542373
But that was Diana.
>>344542067
Well MGS was actually disappointing. ZTD was only disappointing if you had too high of expectations for it.
Some people seemed to decide what ZTD was going to be before it was even out. Perfect example, everyone assuming that Uchi saying he would mention the 999 characters if there was enough demand as "Snake and Aoi are gonna be main characters bro".
Sounds like a little of you getting hyped for games that aren't gonna be that good and also you having too high a expectations. You need to learn to expect the least, then everything remotely good exceeds your expectations slightly.
>>344542418
>you didn't do the voting executions
Decision part
>Vote X/Y
>Vote X/Y
(someone dies)
>change votes so someone else dies, change votes so someone else dies
>>344533521
Who's ?
>>344542516
Uchikoshi blatantly said that ZTD would answer all the VLR questions. He also said that we would find out about what was going on with Snake.
It's not like the dropped plot points were the only problems, though. The quality of the game and the writing were pretty low overall.
>>344542516
I guess wanting a game to not drop plot lines or rewrite the big bad motivations equals having too high of expectations.
>>344542560
Yep it worked now, but i swear to god i did it before and nothing happened. I had every team voting for both options complete.
>>344542418
Have you finished the fragment where Eric wants to know who killed Mira?
>>344542637
VLR's 100% Epilogue, Kyle apparently swapped minds with an unknown being. I type it as [?] because that's what the game itself names it.
>>344542807
yeah but you had to actively select a team out, that's the difference.
Also, does that Latin shit Zero sometimes say have any meaning in game ?
>>344542516
This, the game is not the problem the audience is.
>>344542735
Actually that's not true. He said all that in the QA 4 years ago then much much more recently when asked about 999 characters in ZTD his exact words were "If there is enough demand" indicating that at most they would be mentioned, like they were.
Of course everyone clings to the QA from 4 years ago rather than the much more recent interview because.... UCHI LIED TO US BLARRRRR
No he didn't, you choose to use a QA done years ago when the game was essentially a different project.
>>344542784
When it gets cancelled and only brought back with a tiny budget due to fan demand, yes, it is. BUt also that didn't really happen. I assume you're talking about Brother? You have no indication anything was changed, especially since Phi was ALWAYS the same, Uchi hinted at her story back in VLR.
You stupidly assumed that a Akane and Alice has correct information on a dude who could read minds and manipulate timelines.
If you're mad that Delta's character had a stupidly complicated plan then fine but in reality that's the plot of every ZE. Someone has a stupid complicated plan that they endanger tons of people to enact.
>>344543142
>"If there is enough demand" indicating that at most they would be mentioned, like they were.
Snake wasn't mentioned at all
>>344543023
Every Latin line he says has an entry in the File section.
Describe Eric in three word.
Hard modeuse the word Best in the description
>>344543142
No, with other characters, Uchikoshi mentioned possibility based on fan demand, but regarding Snake, he directly said that his circumstances would be revealed in the third game, with no conditions attached.
>>344543335
Best Gun Psychopath
>>344543335
Best shotgun aficionado
>>344543362
Don't recall that at all, can you actually dig up the interview?
>>344542516
I had high expectations because the previous games were so fucking good, simple as that. I had no reason to suspect ZTD wouldn't be up to par.
Uchi outright said all the mysteries of VLR would be resolved in ZTD, even going as far to say questions like "What happened to Snake during the VLR timeline?" were going to be answered. I would have been fine with him going back on his word on stuff like the latter example, but he still set a precedent when he said "All mysteries from VLR will be resolved", where they weren't.
Instead we got completely dropped plotlines with Kyle, Left, Clover/Alive, ?, and a big bad whose entire character changed from the previous games. I even would have accepted the dropped plotlines if the rest of the game made up for it in quality, but we didn't. The writing is shoddy in some places, the gameplay structure itself is janky, the music is 70% reused tracks, the atmosphere doesn't come close to matching 999 or VLR's, and the switch to a cinematic style hurt the game over being a traditional VN. I'm not disappointed because ZTD isn't exactly what I wanted it to be, I'm disappointed because the game isn't as good as the first two.
>>344543449
http://virtueslastreward.com/qahome/
You can search for "3rd game" to find all of what was said would be in it.
>>344543664
SO you didn't read a word I said considering you are using the QA from VLR.
Bravo.
Can someone fucking tell how the fuck didMira overpowered Sigma ? Even with his stab wound he could have wrecked her shit, not just holding her up
>>344516538
If that is the case, you were the one to kill the cat. Can't help it if you turned spoilers off for no reason.
>>344543773
Sigma looks tough but is really a bitch.
Ignore the fanboy, he clearly has no argument other than "you are not allowed to dislike this game because Uchi made it, your fault for having expectations"
>>344543773
>>344543874
I don't know. Seems pretty canon to me. Sigma was always overpowered by people in VLR.
>>344543773
because in this game things just happen because they have to happen without any real thought behind it
>>344543645
>Uchi outright said all the mysteries of VLR would be resolved in ZTD, even going as far to say questions like "What happened to Snake during the VLR timeline?" were going to be answered.
Haha you're so full of shit
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/03/25/zero-time-dilemma-director-randomized-events-graphic-game-will/
>Are you going to address mysteries from 999 like All-Ice?
>Zero Time Dilemma promises to solve all of the mysteries from Virtue’s Last Reward, but that doesn’t mean it will solve all of the mysteries from 999.
Hey, what game is Snake from? I'm done talking to shit heads liek you. It's people like you who I am talking about. No matter what you reconstructed his answers to eman what you wanted them to mean and completely ignored that the QA was done 4 years ago when the game had a different budget and was a different project all together.
Didn't even read the rest of your post, you're so full of shit there's no point.
>>344542293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAU7tZnCcQ
>>344542373
I still don't get that. The timeline was fucked way before the 3 of them got there.
>>344543768
You mentioned the "if there is enough demand" stuff, which was part of the same time, years ago, not anything recent. I don't think there was any indication that Uchikoshi was listening to fan demand once ZTD was actually under way. The point is that Uchikoshi made these big declarations and never gave made any statements that he was going back on them before people bought the game.
The claims that ZTD would resolve all of VLR's mysteries, though, continued all the way up until ZTD was ready to come out. Those can't be written off as old plans that changed.
>>344544131
Akane didn't pick up on the nature of the Transporter yet, I think. Carlos stopping Zero would only leave him stranded in a set of timelines where the Decision Game never happened.
>>344544294
The only thing from VLR he didn't resolve was Kyle.
Get over it faggot. Uchi didn't betray you, he probably didn't even remember half the shit he said in that QA because he probably just answered based on how he saw the game in his head and that image probably changed over 4 years and a reduction in budget. Get over it dude, you gain nothing from holding a grudge against a guy you never met.
The game was good. It gave a great deal of resolution. The Kyle thing is really fucking dumb but you seriously need to calm down about it, it doesn't ruin the series or the game.
>>344543142
>>344543768
There's nothing wrong with holding Uchi accountable for statements he made in the Q&A, even if it was years ago. Those are statements that directly said stuff would be explained in the third game, but weren't. Fans are obviously going to question that.
>>344544039
Are you a fucking retard?
>Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward ended on a cliffhanger, but Uchikoshi assures that remaining questions from Virtue's Last Reward will be resolved. Also, "as a story [Zero Escape] will definitely end at Volume 3."
>"I intend to answer every mystery left during VLR and the mysteries in ZE3 would be solved as well. This game will not end in a cliffhanger."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/07/zero-escape-3-more-philosophical-than-past-volumes
Uchi outright said, in a recent interview, that ZTD would resolve all the questions from VLR. The dropped plotlines from VLR including Kyle, ?, and Left are inexcusable.
>Hey, what game is Snake from? I'm done talking to shit heads liek you. It's people like you who I am talking about.
I said before I was willing to forgive stuff like the Snake statement if the rest of the game was good. Unfortunately, it wasn't.
>>344544542
I love how people want to force other people to like a game no matter what.
Guess personal opinions aren't allowed anymore in these threads.
>>344514387
No. 6 to 3 means 6/3 = 2 = 200%. It isn't a valid probability.
>>344540203
Were there any scenes with Diana saying something about trying to save everyone or something?
I liked the Always Sunny Carlos video and I want to see one with Diana talking about trying to save her friends/the other participants and then have "Diana Blows Up The Shelter" and/or "Diana Causes The Apocalypse"
>>344544971
Live round to blank is "3 to 3", aka 3:3 or 50% according to English grammar.
>>344544712
>I said before I was willing to forgive
and that's why you're retarded. You think there is somethign to forgive there, there isn't. It's your fault for makign assumptions. Really, what would Snake even add to the game? Nothing. You just want you animu boyfriend who's so super cool and takes a million bullets and doesn't give a fuck so hardcore man. There is nothing to forgive if you aren't a dumbass.
I agreed about Kyle. ? is in the game if it is Blick WInkel, people have already made theories regarding that and Delta. You can't say for sure that's not in the game. There is 0 indication that the story with Brother was ever changed. LIke I said, Phi was clearly always Sigma's daughter, Brother was clearly always intended to be his son. So what was changed? What did you think Left would have to do with?
Also I'm dying at "hold Uchi accountable". If he makes another game, you're gonna fucking buy it, you're posting about his games online. Who are you kidding?
>>344544953
You don't have to like it but I don't think "my favorite character wasn't in the game" is a valid criticism. I love how you complain about me "forcing" my opinions on people meanwhile you post just to say "You shouldn't get to post your opinion, here' s0 reasons why".
>>344545074
mmmaybe the poison scene? I can't recall.
Honestly she seemed more afraid of dying than saving the rest of the world.
>>344545237
>I don't think "my favorite character wasn't in the game" is a valid criticism
I loved ZTD but don't be stupid, that's not what he's complaining about and you know it.
>>344545237
Where did I say that you can't post your opinion?
You are the one acting like a child and calling eveeryone faggots that should get over it because the game is "good" and acting as if everyone that disagree is a whiny loser.
>>344545318
>>344545074
Wait, why don't you just use the scene with Diana and Phi on the platform where they try to argue with her about condemning the world?
>>344545318
I'll look for one. I know there's one when she fucks up everything where she says I'M GOING TO SAVE YOU AND PHI but idk if that's the best time for that since it's when she's already let the virus out.
I'll go rewatch the poison scene tho
I was going to do it with just a single panel of the DO NOT PRESS button and then a closeup of her face but I changed my mind after the Carlos one that shit was great
>>344545574
Maybe have it when she activates the switch after their arguing with her, segue to the title header "Diana causes the end of the world"
>>344545657
lmao that's good I think I'll use that
The other one would work better if I just took a video of like the last ten seconds of the button and then when there was like half a second left "Diana Blows Up The Shelter"
Thanks for helping me brainstorm these Anon idk if my movie editing skills are even powerful enough for this but I certainly hope so
I wonder why Uchi said Snake would be mentioned, we already knew everything we needed about Snake from VLR.
My only disappointments in terms of 999 character updates are Aoi and Clover. Aoi could have used a little more, and it would have been nice for Akane to acknowledge that she was unfreezing Clover, in an epilogue file even, but I guess that one is easy enough to speculate upon.
The whole Kyle thing and the handling of brother are my only real beefs in terms of dropped plots. I didn't really expect any more about the 999 characters than we ended up getting. Then again I just beat VLR right when this game came out and didn't read the Q&A, so I don't have the same perspective as those who waited three years.
>>344545175
Zero is trying to describe the probability that Sigma lives or dies. There are 6 rounds. 3 are live and 3 are blank. If fired randomly, the probability he lives or dies is
3 to 6 = 3:6 = 3/6 = 50%
since 3 rounds are live/fake and there is a total of 6 rounds.
>>344545074
>Always Sunny Carlos video
Link?
The more people bring up "but muh 999 characters", the more sick I am of them
re: everyone bitching about ZTD
The game is good and it does a reasonable job of capping off the series but after VLR built up the finale as much as it did it's hard not to be disappointed by a closer that's just "reasonable"
You can acknowledge that a game is good, maybe even great, while also acknowledging that it wasn't what you hoped it was and after seeing what Uchi could do it wasn't unreasonable to expect something a little less anticlimactic than Delta MGS2ing you
>>344545892
Oh, perfect timing
>Diana, you know what you're doing, right...?
>I'm going to save you and Phi.
>[Presses Button]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idoYCVLh2qI
>>344502226
Too bad Carlos only has eyes for men
>>344546209
Fucking gold
>>344546020
Shit I can't find it now actually, I'll keep looking but did anyone save it? It was a couple threads ago now
>>344546016
Wouldn't "3 to 6" mean three chances to win and six chances to lose, meaning a 3/9 chance to win?
>>344546226
Don't ruin my fantasies. He's bi, like me.
>>344546130
but the game isn't good
even assuming people don't play for the story but for the "gameplay" it has easy and repeated puzzles and very few of them
it's a weak entry and calling it good is just a sign of being biased but I guess you guys only care about making memes anyway
>>344546332
>>344546020
found it in my youtube history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73O2NUM88mQ
>>344546417
The only pussy he's into is actual cats, sorry Anon.
>>344546417
Carlos is gay, it was obvious when you saw how bad he was at pretending to be straight.
>>344511750
i'd start with C team, exhaust all options, then do the same with Q team and then D team. After that you get some more options for all of them, so rinse and repeat.
It probably doesn't matter what order you do the teams in, but I definitely think its better to do each team's shit together instead of jumping around
>>344546130
>reasonable job of capping off the series
Even if you manage to ignore all of the dropped threads, bringing up a new big bad terrorist in the final entry of a series and then not even resolving it, along with being so fucking cheap that the epilogue you get for 100% completion is a goddamn file, make it complete shit as a conclusion.
>What happened to Snake/Light during the events of VLR? Did he search for Clover for 45 years, like how Junpei still searched for Akane?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it.
>Where is Aoi during VLR?
>This will be revealed on the 3rd game. Hope you guys look forward to it.
>What happened to Snake and the rest of the 999 cast during the Pandemic and succeeding apocalypse?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it!
>>344546754
Would it have been better if the terrorist was captured in an epilogue file?
>>344546341
No.
Even if you follow your logic which isn't correct, Zero is still wrong. He says 6 to 3. There aren't 6 chances to win and 3 to lose.
>>344546816
Honestly Uchi should have just answered the questions, there was no reason for any of those things to be in ZTD.
>>344546816
anon that Q&A happened in the past so it's not valid to bring it up anymore
>>344546130
>requires multiple character act like complete retards
>Akane and Alice straight up lie/give bad info about Delta
>nerfed Akane's powers so hard there's no way she would've been able to set up 999 in the first place
>no mention of Kyle or ?
It's shit.
>>344546754
>>344546958
That's not the problem and you know it.
>Zero is someone entirely new
okay
>He was there all along
>Sure, whatever. I suppose that was foreshadowed
>Brother is someone you know
uh...
>All answers will be had in ZE3
um.
>Volume 3 is the end of the ZE story (as is)
UM.
>"Hey go save the world from this impossibly difficult to find terrorist also I can READ MINDS and I couldn't find him also I'm dead now and now I'm not dead I haven't done anything wrong in this timeline lmfao"
UHHHHHHH
>The end
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>344546442
>easy puzzles
I thought it had some of the best puzzles in the series even if it was a little unbalanced
>calling it good is just a sign of being biased
"Uh yeah guys uh it was totally bad because the puzzles were easy and if you disagree you're biased"
Good one dipshit
How about you provide actual reasons instead of just whining and complaining. I guess that's all you care about anyway though
>>344546754
VLR was almost the cap to the series and at least this is technically plothole free unlike that game's mess of an ending. Honestly I have no idea how people can bitch so much about ZTD's ending when that fucking shit happened
I'm literally arguing the same point as you guys which is that it's disappointing lmao chill the fuck out
>>344514770
this scene reminded me of the "hot coffee" scene from tales of symphonia
>>344547276
because I already did but you dismissed them like the fanboy you are, apparently the lackluster gameplay is not an actual reason
>the best puzzles in the series
so you are just retarded, probably the only game you were able to solve without a guide kek
>>344514770
>That fucking teaser for 568
The whole time until I got to that scene I was trying to figure out who Santa could be.
People say shit about how these threads are dying and they're going to miss them but maybe if you don't want them to die then stop wasting the whole thing bitching at each other over how shit it was and just accept that the game is what it is and go back to making stupid OC and laughing over all the stupid stuff like MIND HAKKU and Carlos ending the world
I guess bitching and complaining is all this board knows how to do though
>>344547837
Why don't we just SHIFT to a timeline where these threads are still alive?
>>344547767
>you dismissed them
When the fuck did I do that? I made one post on the subject and then you immediately called me biased and plugged your ears
>so you are retarded
Give actual reasons why they were bad other than "i said so" or you're full of shit and this argument is over
>>344547985
Need help?
>>344521951
Imagine if the ending got really meta and had you constantly writing down clues on actual paper while deleting your file to escape mind hacc.
>>344547837
There's a subreddit for people like you if you only care about memes
All the fags that whine about ZTD just don't get the complex motivations behind Zero's actions.
>>344548154
Better than everyone just throwing temper tantrums at each other for 500 posts.
Play in traffic. No one will miss you
>>344521951
>after the scope of the plot grew with VLR it was disappointing to see it shrink for the series' conclusion.
Best summation of what I didn't like desu
>>344548157
Honestly ZTD is about the same level as VLR for me. The start was very slow but the twists and turns from middle towards the end were great and some of the dialogue was easily the most hilarious in the series.
I can understand being upset at the ending since this is the close to the whole trilogy but even then I don't think it was as bad as a lot of people want to make it out to be. If you weren't expecting a ruse cruise and some unanswered questions why did you even stick with this series after 999 and VLR pulled the same shit?
>>344548274
>waaaaah, we should only circlejerk!! kys!
No need to get this mad loser, I am sorry if you don't have anything else in your life so memes are the most important thing for you.
