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ITT we discuss video games that make an effort to be "Lovecraftian," and/or to portray the concepts of Cosmic Horror
which are your favorites? which are the most "accurate" to the source material? Which are the most fun?
I tried to play Cthulhu mod for Half-Life but my saves keep crashing
http://www.moddb.com/mods/cthulhu
Lovecraft did not like black people
Therefore he is bad and you should feel bad for mentioning him
you're hero is a fag
>>344459168
stop trying to kill the thread before it starts pls
Pathologic seemed pretty lovecraftian to me.
>>344458803
racist xenophobic asshole
>>344458803
in recent years?
Bloodborne.
There are others, but BB is definitively the #1 most Lovecraftian game to release in the last 5 years
As long as the horrible entity looks like it could've come from the ocean, you're halfway there.
>>344458803
quake 1
>>344458803
Why was he so racist?
>>344459168
Correction, he did not like black people that didn't embrace northeastern Anglo-Saxon culture. His prejudices were always based on culture and a lack of assimilation into his culture by other groups.
After all, his wife was jewish, and he had no problem with her because she was assimilated.
Eternal Darkness
Dark Corners of the Earth is pretty sweet. Not looking forward to the new CoC game though
>>344460203
>his wife was jewish
Jews are basically whites
>>344460282
LOL. They are just as much whites as your average middle eastern arab is.
>>344460282
Again though it wasn't a race thing to him. He liked the Chinese railroad workers in America because they managed to adjust to American life pretty easily.
>>344460282
go to /pol/ and try to make that argument, see how it goes
>>344458803
Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 (some bosses) have lovecraftian influence. Dark Corners of the Earth wasn't fun. Can't honestly think of any other games I've played that would even be feasible to suggest they were. I've read much of Lovecraft's works and to be honest I just don't think it can be translated well into a format that is visual since his writing relied on the reader to imagine what things looked like providing very few concrete details.
>>344459980
>Bloodborne
>Lovecraftian
lol
>>344460464
> I've read much of Lovecraft's works and to be honest I just don't think it can be translated well into a format that is visual since his writing relied on the reader to imagine what things looked like providing very few concrete details.
>All Lovecraft is Great Old Ones/ Elder Gods
Darkest Dungeons is a great adaption of Rats in the Walls. Dark Corners of the Earth did Shadow over Innsmouth well. There's plenty of material that works visually
>>344460203
Y. He had a long rant about how he felt that it's wrong that foreigners come to an established settlement and start demanding things to be done *their* way instead of trying to settle in with the rest. It would be seen as racist and bigoted by all the tenderfoot SJW, but it didn't come off as racist or unreasonable to me.
>>344460618
>EVERY FUCKING THREAD
>>344460429
>>344460387
>>344460379
Not an argument.
>>344460664
He's not wrong though. The similarities Bloodborne share with Lovecraft begin and end with weird tantacled monsters. Everything else is completely anti-Lovecraft. Miyazaki took every single Lovecraftian concept and turned them upside down. Since everything goes the opposite direction from Lovecraft I'd be inclined to say that it is not Lovecraftian at that point.
Best Lovecraft game and it doesn't even use the actual mythos.
>>344460803
Not a rebuttal
>>344458803
Fallout 3 and Fallout 4
:^)
>>344458803
Best Lovecraftian horror game coming through. Other games need not apply.
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem is a good one.
Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth is based more directly on Lovecraft and could have been great if it weren't such a buggy, sloppy, broken mess of a game. Side note: It's pretty stupid that they based it on one story and named it after another.
The Vanishing of Ethan Carter is very Lovecraft, especially in certain parts, but the story is pretty idiotic.
>>344460214
Are those animations from a mod? I don't remember them.
Also that part was god tier. I hope the CoC games they're making at the moment turn out good.
>>344460876
>the similarities that Bloodborne shares with Lovecraft begin and end with tentacles
madmen who violate nature to commune with cosmic entities
these same cosmic entities violate natural processes (like reproduction) to demonstrate their god-like power
the suffering these madmen inflict upon innocent communities in their selfish ambitions
the dangers of reckless invention and application of technology
xenophobia and a fear of the unknown
absorbtion of eldrich knowledge having a physically destructive effect on the body and mind
the idea of dreams being alternate planes of reality
the idea that life force has physical, tangible power that can be exploited
the idea of the Cosmos as a vast ocean that acts to obscure it's deepest depths from observers on the surface
I don't think you ever played BB, anon
>>344460660
The thing is, he was looking at it in the short term and only sees the immigrants who initially come here. America is not Europe when it comes to immigration, they Americanize here, they assimilate, they always have within a generation or two. In Europe they try to turn their new country into their old one.
People bitch about all the mexicans who don't speak english, well guess what? All their kids born in the US do naturally speak english, which shows the assimilation power of America. I mean shit, do you think the Italians acted like Americans when they came here, or even spoke English? Or the Swedes for that matter? Or the Greeks? Or the Irish? Ok the Irish did, but they were too drunk for anyone to understand what they were saying and so we wrote down that they spoke Gaelic.
Jokes aside, my point is that if mass migration could destroy the US, it would've been destroyed like 4 times already. But it doesn't happen, they just adapt and learn to be American with some flavorings from their original culture.
>>344460664
You do know that Lovecraftian means the horror of the unknown and that it focuses on amalgations of blobs and masses of faces/tentacles/eyes/mouths to scare you because you don't know what it is.
Also Bloodborne you pretty much know what every enemy is, you can keep pretending it's lovecraftian if you want but it really isn't.
Everything in the game is studied and you aren't really given a option to study things or observe just go into fight 1,2,3
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakening is a pretty good Lovecraftian game. It gets the mood right and doesn't reveal too much of the supernatural stuff so that it becomes corny.
Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim + http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/15147/?
Beware the endless eldritchness.
>>344461257
There's a fanpatch which restores these cut animations.
I can see why they have removed them from the final game as somertimes it's hard to pick stuff up. Still pretty neat.
>>344461290
I don't think you did either
>>344461365
>Lovecraftian fiction begins and ends with le spoopy tentacle blobs
read a book
>>344461462
literally every one of those things was in the game you shitposting retard. go watch some more LPs/lore videos and brush up on your fake knowledge before posting again
>>344461365
There are only a handful of Lovecraft stories that have blobs/tentacles/etc. They do however happen to be the most famous ones but there's tons and tons that don't have that shit in them.
>>344460660
I guess nowadays a shitty poem and an opinion counts as racist.
I mean imagine if he actually did anything besides commit wrong-think while slowly dying of poverty. He'd practicality be Hitler!
>>344459963
>>344459168
>>344460170
why is he considered racist?
and more importantly, did he do anything against black people. or did he just dislike them?
I've had a pretty good time with Eldritch.
>>344461290
Just mad pcucks shitposting. They don't get the core themes of Lovecraft, just spewing nonsense
>you can kill great ones!
>they have tentacles!
>insanity!
>ctrl+f magicka
>0 results
Come on guys, Magicka has a whole lot of Lovecraftian stuff!
>>344461659
He just wasn't a fan of people who, even if they weren;t this, didn't ACT like white anglo-saxon protestants (the last part is kinda optional because Lovecraft himself teetered between agnostic and atheist depending on his mood).
>>344459168
>>344459963
>>344460170
>implying not liking blacks is a bad thing
Has anyone played the Call of Cthulhu tabletop RPG?
Seems like fun but it doesn't seem as maintained as something like D&D.
>>344461707
My brother from another mother.
You don't know true fear until you're in the sand level with nothing but a rock and a knife.
>>344461930
Call of Cthulhu is good but Delta Green is fucking amazing. Both blow D&D out of the water
>>344461707
is this a minecraft mod?
>Bloodborne has 12 mentions so far
>Dark Corners of the Earth has 1
/v/ memery at its finest. Bloodborne was disappointing as a Souls game and utter shit as a Lovecraftian game, please move on already.
>>344461757
>Lovecraft thread
>P-PCucks..
>>344461930
I have and it's pretty alright, I don't like it as much as WHFRP2e or something to say the least I think you might be better off playing on V:tM or if you really want to play it then yeah you can, but I never really was into it.
Is bloodborne really lovecraftian?
There's a lot more to lovecraft than just DUDE TENTACLES LMAO, lovecraftian horror is all about what you can't see and what you can't comprehend, the "unknowable". You kill hundreds of enemies in bloodborne, and if you can kill an enemy or even deal it damage, then it isn't lovecraftian.
>>344458991
I played through this last year. It was surprisingly similar to call of cthulhu dark corners of the earth. I dont know about your save files though, I had no problems.
reminder that this exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHbuE7rbDzs
>>344462121
Preach it
>>344462187
I haven't played many tabletop games so I'm not familiar with the abbreviations.
WHFRP? V:tM?
>>344462238
Cthulhu was killed by a boat
>>344462059
It's aprocedurally generated, roguelike.
If you can get past the minecraft aesthetic, it's a really fun game.
>>344461462
Wow you sure told him
>>344461290
>madmen who violate nature to commune with cosmic entities
In Bloodborne this is seen as a GOOD thing. Madmen are enlightened and it's a state of mine that is sought out, not avoided.
>these same cosmic entities violate natural processes (like reproduction) to demonstrate their god-like power
?
>the suffering these madmen inflict upon innocent communities in their selfish ambitions
Again, wrong. What they do is considered a good thing by the institutions and even the general populace is in favor of what they are doing.
>the dangers of reckless invention and application of technology
All done for the greater good and not for insane selfish reasons
>xenophobia and a fear of the unknown
Doesn't exist in Bloodborne. They love the aliens, which aren't even unkown. We have runes that outright say that they are "sympathetic toward humanity". We don't know shit about the monsters and what they think in Lovecraft's stories.
>absorbtion of eldrich knowledge having a physically destructive effect on the body and mind
Doesn't exist in Bloodborne. No one sees them as physically destructive. Any kind of physical or mental evolution that potentially brings humanity closer to the Great Ones is seen as a beautiful thing.
>the idea of dreams being alternate planes of reality
Really stretching it here, now
>the idea that life force has physical, tangible power that can be exploited
Again, stretching. This is not an element to be found in every or even most of Lovecraft's stories.
>the idea of the Cosmos as a vast ocean that acts to obscure it's deepest depths from observers on the surface
We don't know what the Cosmos does in Bloodborne. It's never explored or even vaguely suggested what its function is, but given that Miyazaki put everything else upside down, we could make an educated guess that it's just a stepping stone for evolution.
>I don't think you ever played BB, anon
And I don't think you ever read Lovecraft
>>344458803
Bloodborne
>>344461659
Lovecraft hated anyone that wasn't an old British man, including himself.
He negatively portrayed blacks, hispanics, rednecks, arabs, and eskimos, and about half of the alien races he mentioned died from becoming too stupid to live.
>>344462318
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd edition and Vampire the Masquerade
Although you might be better off playing Call of Cthulhu instead I guess.
>>344462238
Are you insecure about a video game you like?
>>344462589
I didn't know there was a Warhammer RPG.
That seems like fun.
Is there a 20k version?
>>344462672
Well anon you see, there's a wide variety of 40krpgs and Warhammer Fantasy RPG games you can play.
If you'd like I can explain them to you in more depth instead of spreading my autism in the thread if you'lladd me on steamhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/DudeAreYouDuranDuran
>>344458803
>mfw half black and loved lovecrafts work
>Angry black lives matter retards at my college including teachers tolde me i shouldn't read his work because he was Niggerphobic
>decide to review call of chatuhlu in front of the whole class
>all the trigger warning questions i got after the presentation
>Bloodborne is not lovecraftian
End this meme pls, From Software don't need to hide it
>>344462869
>all the trigger warning questions i got after the presentation
Do you remember any of them? I want to hear them.
>>344462869
>half black
I'm legitimately sorry, anon.
>>344462390
>implying that if the population sees it as a good thing then it's good for them and they aren't being victimized
wow, crystal meth feels great when I shoot up! it must be some miracle health booster!
>these same cosmic entities violate natural processes (like reproduction) to demonstrate their god-like power
I can tell that you've never played BB since you never found Arianna or imposter Iosefka, but I'll respond to more of your posts to humor you until I get bored of this retarded horseshit
>abusing technology isn't a bad thing if it's "for the greater good"
Laurence pls go
>xenophobia doesn't exist in BB
STEP AWAY FROM MY CASTLE, OUTSIDER
and also fear the Blood while you're at it
>absorption of eldrich knowledge doesn't hurt you isn't in the game
[FRENZIED]
also strike 2 that you have no idea what you're talking about
>the idea of dreams being alternate planes of reality isn't in the game
strike 3, you're retarded.
>>344462931
>Art of Laputa
From has really good taste
>>344462270It will be shit.
>>344462824
Oh whoops *40k that's embarrassing
I'm not home now but I'll be able to add you when I get home.
>>344462931
Oh man they have the Call of Cthulhu and some short reference book to his universe. Truly Lovecraft connoisseurs.
I've never seen anyone talk about thisProbably because it's kinda badbut I think the atmosphere is great for the most part.
>>344462869
upvoted
>>344458803
The Consuming Shadow
>>344462931
>Hellboy
lovecraftian as fuck
>>344463029
There was legit a girl that asked me if i could like a book that suppressed my "black lineage"
As if it had anything to do with the book itself .
Another one said not asked that Love craft had compared blacks to apes once
To which i responded that i thing every great sinentist had done that
>>344460214
What is this? I don't recognize CoC.
>>344463178
I gotcha, I'll explain everything I can and even try to help you out with getting into a game sometime
>>344463915
Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth. Really buggy game but fun. I think it was ported by some modder after the Xbox release. The movement speed is apparently tied to the resolution you're running at for some reason.
>>344462931
>Art of Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos
>Fantasy FlightLOL
>>344463234
>free yous
Keep em coming anon
>this fucking thread
H.P. Lovecraft didn't invent cosmic horror, he just made it popular
it's like saying that Steve Jobs invented smartphones
does Amnesia: the Dark Descent count?
>>344464161
but steve jobs invented smartphones, but not cellphones
>>344463815
is this a good anime?
Heheheheh.
>>344461203
>Kirby
>Lovecraftian
WHAT?!
>>344464021
> I think it was ported by some modder after the Xbox release
It had an official PC release.
Also most bugs got fixed with the fanpatches.
>people still asking for a good Lovecraftian game
How many times do we need to say "Bloodborne" before people get it?
It's not just the visual design or the clear references to the mythos (cleverly changing the names to make it even more self-contained), it's the theme of the game itself. It takes the revelation that, in the end, your actions are futile in the face of an inhuman, cosmic force, and makes fucking game mechanics out of them. You can beat any one of the three final bosses, but it doesn't matter because there's a larger force, likely the game system itself, trapping you in it's limits. You CAN'T win.
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls both have this too (hell, they both feature The King In Yellow and the final boss of DeS is The Old One), but the difference is that the cosmology of Bloodborne is still incredibly difficult to comprehend. Isn't it all a dream world? Does gaining "eyes on the inside" (also known as the amygdala) simply allow you more perception of the dream world? If that's so, then what does that say of time and space, which are not constant in dreams? All of the tools, attacks and weapons of the Great Ones warp space, so does becoming more like them simply mean becoming a master of lucid dreaming and therefore insight and intelligence? What is Moon Presence's motive, and is Formless Oedon a higher force still? What are the Blood Echoes echoes of? Oedon's voice, perhaps?
Makes me moist.
>>344463815
t. falseflagging misinfo fat white male
>>344464530Best girls VA is kill
>>344460214
>Call of Cthulu
The devs were incompetent and the game designer didn't want to scope the game to the amount of time he had.
>b-b-but the xbox port
The original Xbox was just a closed PC with a high end graphics chip for its time. Porting should have been a breeze.
Fact that you can't beat the game without dialing down the resolution shows how bad the underlying engine code is. Shame since a good chunk of those effects were ahead of their time.
>>344464787
how unfortunate
>>344463068
>wow, crystal meth feels great when I shoot up! it must be some miracle health booster!
Good thing it's not crystal meth, eh?
>I can tell that you've never played BB since you never found Arianna or imposter Iosefka, but I'll respond to more of your posts to humor you until I get bored of this retarded horseshit
And what about them? There's nothing here that proves your point. First of all, you make a sweeping claim that the "cosmic entities violate natural processes (like reproduction) to demonstrate their god-like power
First of all, they aren't demonstrating anything. They need women to have children. They value them and they love their children, as there are lore tidbits that outright state that one of the Great Ones lost his/her child and yearns it.
And secondly, not-Iosefka felt immense pleasure as she was pregnant with an alien baby. Given that people in Bloodborne's world worship others who get close to being like the Great Ones, I do not doubt for one second that women who give birth to their alien babies would be seen as madonnas of enlightenment and purity.
>STEP AWAY FROM MY CASTLE, OUTSIDER
>and also fear the Blood while you're at it
Not fear of the unkown or xenophobia, just an outright hatred of two factions (Vilebloods vs the Church) fighting for dominance over the same thing
>[FRENZIED]
Now you're moving the goalpoast. You said: "absorbtion of eldrich knowledge having a physically destructive effect on the body and mind", frenzy doesn't attack your mind at all as it only kills your physical body.And it is a game mechanic that goes against the lore of the game where people are actively seeking knowledge so that they can see past the veil, even at the cost of their lives
>strike 3, you're retarded
And here I thought I was having a nice debate with someone, two opposing ideas clashing with each other. Why are you so grumpy? Are you afraid of being defaced on an anonymous image board by a person who disagrees with your opinions? Grow up.
>>344464746
(You)
>>344464530
don't bother
just watch Space Patrol Luluco or Kuma Miko
Not a game strictly speaking, but the Forerunner Halo books are some of the best cosmic horror fiction i've seen.
>>344465105
the Forerunner halo books are garbage, though
Anyone else play Deathstate?
Why isn't there one of those images for essential Lovecraftian games? That way everytime someone asks it's all in one image.
>>344465105
>halo
triggered
>>344465057
Why shouldn't someone watch it?
>>344465363
everyone would just shitpost about the contents of the image
>>344465537
Would you expect anything else
Darkest Dungeon has a heavy Lovecraftian influence with a lot of it's themes
Hell the game ends withyou defeating a cosmic entity that has always resided in the earth, only to be mocked for thinking humans could even scratch it. The Ancestor called you to the manor in the hopes you would fail and wake the Heart of Darkness
>>344465659
>defeating a cosmic entity
not Lovecraftian according to /v/
>>344465026
Not him, but how is eldritch knowledge not detrimental?
It's literally eyes lining your brain. Regardless of how the people thought of it, that's fucking detrimental.
>Lovecraft only wrote about crazy ayys with unimaginable forms
>>344465737
>implying anyone ever defeats anything in Lovecraft stories
>let alone the elder gods
>>344465964
>I have never read Call of Cthulhu
>>344465914
He has some ghost stories. They're really good.
>>344465737
I stated that upon "defeating" the entity, you are mocked for thinking you actually did anything. There is no way to kill it, we can only keep it sleeping
>>344458803
The Uncharted series should have a spin off wifh some Eldricht horrors. With their resources and cinematic flair it'd be fucking awesom.eFuck off I like cinematic games.
>>344465765
Anon.. When they said that insight is eyes inside of you, they didn't mean it in the literal sense. Insight is a rather vague mechanic and we don't know enough about it to make claims like that.
And it's not detrimental to the people in Bloodborne. You need to understand that they do not think like we do. Their rationale is completely foreign to ours. That's why we play as a foreign Hunter. Their ways are very strange to us as we're not local, but it is their way and what we think is wrong is not necessarily wrong to them.
>>344466036
Cool Air was fantastic
>>344460464
>Combat is rolling: The series
>Fun
>>344466083
I'd rather a whole new game that went as far away as possible from Uncharted """gameplay""". You're free to like cinematic games, I wont judge, but the gameplay in those games is so braindead even for cover shooter game standards. The parkour / climbing is nothing compared to Assassin's Creed either.
>>344466208
I think I read the one about the woman in the cabin. Something about her being busied with her work and getting the living shit haunted out of her.
>Get a letter in the mail saying you've inherited Pa's old farm house, start remembering how strange your extended family was
>how they would keep your cousin Annabel locked in the room because she was mentally ill or something
>Drive out into the middle of fucking nowhere, pass through silent restless town, everyone stares knowing you're related to Pa
>Open the door to Pa's farm house, place hasn't been cleaned in years, all but the footprints of where they dragged his body out
>start tossing mail, bills, tax forms into the fireplace one evening, and come across letter from "Aunt Marilyn"
>Letter talks about your cousin Annabel's estranged marriage to one of the fishermen, going into details of witchcraft and other dumb redneck superstition
>Think nothing of it and go to bed in Pa's room. all night hearing the sounds of frogs chirping loudly outside your room by the old mill
>Next morning get to work tearing up pieces of the house to fix it up, throw your crowbar into one of the back room's boarded up windows near the pond
>as you rip off the boarded wood, you hear a shrieking hissing come from inside, which causes you to jerk away and fall on your ass in the mud
>After you clean up, you decided to investigate what ever animal is caught in the back room; as you find it just so happens to be Annabel's room
>You find the key, put it in the lock, and slowly open the door to the sound of rustling and slapping of skin on wood
>You swing the door open against your better judgement and just happen to see a long slender muscular black skinned thigh squeezing out of the hole you made earlier
>Dazed, but determined, you slam the door shut, lock it, and run outside
>sitting near the pond is a large black bull-frog staring, breathing heavily, timidly waiting to leap into the pond
You know what would be FUCKING AWESOME? A survival game based on The Adventures of Arthur Gordon Pym.
>>344466025
They don't kill Cthulhu in the story. They just manage to get away from him.
>>344461292
The reason migrants assimilate to American culture, is because of the pressure to assimilate is pressed upon them.
The first generation can eek by on labor jobs, but there are no better opportunities for them or their children, until they become Americanized.
Mass immigration would allow migrants to set up insular societies within America's borders. And within those insular societies, they won't assimilate.
>>344465026
>the Blood isn't crystal meth
it's about as addictive as Crystal Meth. See: Punngent Blood Cocktail, the concept of Blood-drunkenness, etc. Selling the populace an addictive drug, getting them hooked and then going "it's ok, see, they want it" is a profoundly retarded argument to make.
>getting a woman pregnant telepathically isn't a violation of natural reproductive processes
literally a concept as old as most human religions
>inb4 no proof of telepathy
Oedon literally has no physical form, he exists only in voice
>he thinks that the line STEP AWAY FROM MY CASTLE refers to Vileblood v Executioners
keep digging that knowledge hole there, pal, that's all dialogue from Yharnamites who hate you for being an outsider. Try knocking on some closed doors with incense nearbyor better yet, look it up on Youtube since we both know that you don't own the game
>frenzy goes against the lore because it shows that the uncontrolled absorption of eldrich knowledge is harmful
>when the items Madman's Knowledge, Madman's Set, etc. explicitly state this
yet more evidence that you have no idea what you're talking about
By the way, I'm not going to reply to anything you respond to this post. Go watch some more Vaati, and if it makes you feel better, you can always say that you "won" an internet argument by getting the last word in
>>344466458
they smash his head by ramming the boat against it. Did you read the story?
>>344466025
Cthulu isn't anything special. Literally just a big guy.
>play that one FPS call of cthulhu game
>mouse won't even fucking move
>everyone on steam says it is a buggy piece of bestheda shit
>>344466656
And it immediately starts regenerating. Did you?
>For an instant the ship was befouled by an acrid and blinding green cloud, and then there was only a venomous seething astern; where—God in heaven!—the scattered plasticity of that nameless sky-spawn was nebulously recombining in its hateful original form, whilst its distance widened every second as the Alert gained impetus from its mounting steam.
Then later on
>Cthulhu still lives, too, I suppose, again in that chasm of stone which has shielded him since the sun was young. His accursed city is sunken once more, for the Vigilant sailed over the spot after the April storm; but his ministers on earth still bellow and prance and slay around idol-capped monoliths in lonely places. He must have been trapped by the sinking whilst within his black abyss, or else the world would by now be screaming with fright and frenzy.
Earthbound, Giygas being the closest thing to Azathoth in all of video games.
>>344458803
They Bleed Pixels was inspired by Lovecraft. The underwater level with the chains was the best.
>>344466458
Its not very Lovecraftian to ram Cthulhu in the head with a steamboat. Lovecraft should be ashamed of himself, he is a hack writer who doesn't appreciate real Lovecraft.
>>344466369o shit waddup
>>344466369
storyfag here, that's one of Lovecraft's forgotten gems, quickly repurposed for 4chan
I bring this up because Chthulu is not just a giant fish monster, Chthulu represents the Fear of the Unknown
More games need to stop showing us the monsters and letting us kill them, the early Silent Hills were perfect Lovecraftian Horror
>>344466532
>implying that immigrants to America ever assimilate
ah, the old lie
Americans take pride in their ancestral heritage and retain cultural traditions LONG after it actually makes sense to do so. As a (mild) example of this, see people insisting on being referred to as Irish/German/African/Italian/etc. - American four+ generations after their ancestors got off the boat. This isn't the most extreme example, but the general point should get across.
TRUE assimilation takes centuries on centuries or extreme violence to achieve
Lovecraft is inherently bad to adapt for a visual medium because the entire point of Lovecraft is that itssubversiveof the hidden monster trope. The monster isn't hidden, it's just so grotesque that actually looking at it is impossible.
So if by actually depicting a lovecraftian monster, you take away everything that makes it lovecraftian in the first place.
>>344467053
oh shit, that is not the picture I posted
everyone GET OUT, THIS THREAD IS HAUNTED
>>344459168
when he was an agnsty young adult
by the time of his death he began to feel rather ashamed by his previously zealous zenophobia
>>344459168
Legit a thread on /co/ dissolved into bashing lovecraft while everyone tried talking about his novelas. Seriously fuck those guys
>>344467338
>/co/
>liking black people
lmao you're kidding right, /co/ is basically /pol/ breeding ground because they hate how progressive marvel has become
>>344467053
I would prefer if a game simply had you fighting against cultists and have the whole cosmic horror thing be ambiguous at best.
More of an investigation game then a FPS.
>>344467427
They're actually making 2 Lovecraft/CoC games at the moment and both are detective-ish games apparently. I hope they're good. And yeah, there can be some stuff every once in a while showing up but there shouldn't be full on old god sightings in the games.
>>344466595
>it's about as addictive as Crystal Meth. See: Punngent Blood Cocktail, the concept of Blood-drunkenness, etc. Selling the populace an addictive drug, getting them hooked and then going "it's ok, see, they want it" is a profoundly retarded argument to make.
So? What does this have to do with Lovecraft? They are all a bunch of junkies. What then? Hunters use it as a healing item so obviously this miraculous menstrual blood that we inject us with has some positive powers. Sure, one can succumb to it and become a werewolf, but strong enough people are able to withstand it. That's how evolution works, brah. Some guys don't evolve, get left behind and die; those who evolve become the next step.
>literally a concept as old as most human religions
How do you know it's telepathic? Perhaps they physically commune with the women once the bloodmoon event is triggered. We weren't there with them so we wouldn't know. And it is a violation of natural processes in our world, but the world of Bloodborne is not our world and they view it as a miraculous gift. A state that should be sought not avoided.
>Oedon literally has no physical form, he exists only in voice
I don't recall this being said anywhere? He's called Formless Oedon, not bodiless Oedon. Formless could mean that he's an ever changing mass. The dictionary definition of formless agrees with me: "without a clear or definite shape or structure."
I'm out of post space so this is part 1/2
>>344460203
>jewish
it's a religion not a race.
>>344467417
>/co/ is one person
There are /pol/ and /co/mblr fights every fucking thread.
>>344467338
People bring up the racism thing cause they know its a sure-fire way of pissing people off and derailing the thread.
>>344467541
Yeah one is being made by the Devs of some Sherlock games, Sunken City or something could be cool. I just want a slow paced atmospheric game I can really get into.
>>344467679
>Oedon has no form, he exists only in voice
>I don't recall this being said anywhere
Not that guy, but
"The Great One Oedon, lacking form, exists only in voice" -- Formless Oedon
>lacking form, exists only in voice
>lacking form
>lacking form
pay attention
>>344462334
Can you blame him? Imagine waking up after a thousand years and your "good morning" was a fucking cruiser to the forehead. I'd go back to sleep too.
>>344467541
To expand on this since I just looked them up. One's just called Call of Cthulhu and is based on the pnp game. Apparently both of them are made by Frogwares actually, that's weird.
But the other is called The Sunken City.
>The player steps into the shoes of a 1920s private investigator who finds himself in the city of Oakmont Massachusetts, New England. A city suffering from unprecedented floods of clearly supernatural origins. A city trembling on the brink of madness.
>>344466595
>keep digging that knowledge hole there, pal, that's all dialogue from Yharnamites who hate you for being an outsider. Try knocking on some closed doors with incense nearby or better yet, look it up on Youtube since we both know that you don't own the game
Yeah it's true, the Yharnamites are xenophobic. But again you are moving the goalpost. You brought up the Vileblood Castle and I simply answered that.
>frenzy goes against the lore because it shows that the uncontrolled absorption of eldrich knowledge is harmful
>when the items Madman's Knowledge, Madman's Set, etc. explicitly state this
>yet more evidence that you have no idea what you're talking about
Madman's Knowledge:
"‘Skull of a madman touched by the wisdom of the Great Ones.
Use to gain Insight.
Making contact with eldritch wisdom is a blessing, for even if it drives one mad, it allows one to serve a grander purpose, for posterity."
Yeah, losing it completely is not an ideal state of mind, but for the people in Bloodborne the ends justify the means at all cost, and going crazy is seen either as a happy accident or as a beautiful thing (this kind of portrayal is more prevalent in the DLC, in the asylum). In any case, the lore in Madman's Knowledge disagrees with you.
> Go watch some more Vaati,
lol
>and if it makes you feel better, you can always say that you "won" an internet argument by getting the last word in
The only winners are those who walk away from a conversation having learned something new, or gained new perspective. Stop acting like everything on the internet is a war to be won by brute force and that there can only be one "winner".
>>344468078
The interesting thing about The Sinking City is that they've apparently hired an actual city planner to help design the game. Theres an interesting article about it on their site.
http://frogwares.com/urban-planning-lovecraftian-horror-first-steps/
That apparent attention to detail has me cautiously optimistic.
People only really know of Cthulhu and Lovecraft because they're such icons of pop culture.
Cthulhu isn't even a significant being, his only real purpose is to extinguish humanity. That's it. There's been many master species on earth before and will be after. In the Cthulhu mythos Humanity and Cthulhu really are the most insignificant things.
There's far more interesting beings in the mythos.
>>344466684
For me?
>>344468467
That's really cool. The image on that page says he wrote a 90 page city layout and description. Should be better than a typical open world if it's a small town planned out so well.
>>344458803
Darkest Dungeon
/thread
>>344467848
ehh, it's still pretty vague. I'd say that it's about 60/40 that Odeon is only a voice based on this, but even then, lacking form does not mean lacking a physical vessel. Shub-Niggurath (iirc) lacks form as his eyes and mouths keep disappearing and re-emerging, but he does have some sort of physical body.
I'll have to look up the Japanese name and figure out if there's something lost in translation here.
>>344465185
Shit taste detected.
They ruin a lot of the mystery surrounding the flood and the forerunners but what's actually there is excellent.
Might be more /a/ than /v/ but this is the best piece of Lovecraftian horror I've read since HPL himself
>>344468979
it quite literally states that he exists ONLY IN VOICE.
That's it, he has no body. He exists only in voice. The game cannot possibly make this idea any clearer to you.
Here's the link too
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Formless+Oedon
Lovecraft wrote stories about the resulting madness of attaining knowledge about the greater cosmos. His stories were about horrific secrets that show how inconsequential mankind is, that there are always far greater things beyond our understanding, and most who found that knowledge were driven mad by it.
You faggots can go into details about his stories and Bloodborne, but these were consistently at the core of most of his stories and Bloodborne itself.
Bloodborne is Lovecraftian, even if it does put a spin on it in some ways. You may as well say Game of Thrones wasn't inspired by Lord of the Rings just because it's not about a great journey and the elves aren't jolly forest people.
went through dunwich borers on fallout 4 the other day
enjoyed it alot very spooky, must have spent about 200 12 gauge shells
>>344469157
Yea, but it feels conflicting to say that he's formless, which, again, is not bodiless. They could've used a different word, which is why I'd like to know what the Japanese name is. Perhaps Oedon is called Bodiless Oedon or something along the lines of that in the Japanese text.
>>344468863
Let's hope so. Though I'm hoping with it being open world they do some completely unrelated side quests or something to keep it interesting.
One of my favourites was in VtM: Bloodlines where you have to find a bounty hunter and it turns to be perpetrated by a human, nothing supernatural about it.
>>344469217
there are elves in game of thrones?
>>344469157
>>344469460
Well I found out that the Impurity rune in the original Japanese game would be closer translated as Stagnation, so the possibility of there being mistranslated concepts is quite likely, if this is true.
>>344469217
No, Lovecraft was about going mad because of the crushing realization that in the grand scheme of things, the cosmos does not give a shit about you.
Bloodborne is different. It's about gaining knowledge so that humanity could evolve and ascend into the starts with the other Great Ones.
>>344469110
Saya no Uta is really great butvisual novels aren't games
>>344469702
Disregard my idiocy. I had Witcher written, but changed it to GoT because I went for the more popular series everyone would've seen.
>>344469217
>You may as well say Game of Thrones wasn't inspired by Lord of the Rings just because it's not about a great journey and the elves aren't jolly forest people.
But that's absolutely true. Game of Thrones was inspired by the War of the Roses and the ASoIaF Elves are Sidhe, which are the original British Isles concept of elves.
>>344468772
Any idea why it's Cthulhu Book that got the most popular?
>>344470215
It's the most popular one in pop culture, that's for sure. Most people who read Lovecraft will find most of his other stories far more compelling than Call of Cthulhu.
>>344470123
no worries buddy
>>344470215
Probably because Cthulhu is the one that was visually described the best and therefore is the most recognizable.
How's The Last Door? Apparently it's inspired by Lovecraft's work.
>>344469923
While most of those people who attempt it go mad or lead their communities into madness. It's clearly built off Lovecraft, even if it does put a slighly different spin on it. What's so hard to understand about that? It's not exactly the same, but it doesn't have to be for the parallels to be visible.
>>344463220
It got me into the series, so it can't be that badexcept the New Orleans part, that was horrible
>>344469923
>it's about gaining knowledge so that humanity could evolve
>implying that the whole game isn't spent hunting down the horrible abominations brought on by people trying to cheat the process and gain power without knowledge
"Master Willem was right. Evolution without courage will be the death of our race"
>>344470329
Yeah, I haven't even read that much Lovecraft yet, but from what I have read Shadow Over Innsmouth, The Music of Eric Zann, and Herbet West: Reanimator were all much more memorable stories
>>344470493
Lovecraft is about the inevitable defeat of the human race no matter what we do. Bloodborne's message is a bit more hopeful as it's about taking the next step in life. Arguably the best ending is the one where the hunter turns into a calamari, which is that first step into the stars.
>>344462452
I think my favorite part is when it first released, it was like a new Lovecraft novel to the audience as well. It was marketed as
>le spoopy victorian werewolves
and suddenly had madmen and interdimensional mindfucking
>>344471062
there is nothing wrong with victorian werewolves tho
>>344458803
>We will never get an Arkham University game that is basically XCOM: Enemy Unknown but taking place at the turn of the 20th century and combining elements and missions from Lovecraft, Howard, Verne, and other period pulp and science fiction writers
:/
>>344458803
La-Mulana is pretty lovecraftian, I feel, once you look at it. The Mother is an alien that crash landed on Earth, and creates entire forms of life for the sheer purpose of fixing her ship, annihilating those that fail her. In the Awakened Shrine, her tentacles spew out all over the place, connecting her all throughout her vessel. The bizarre monuments and and symbolism found throughout the ruins are revealed to be machines used for creating life from scratch.
>>344471005
even that's ambiguous
even if you "ascend" to the stars, you might end up Rom'd and have an existence as an eternal potato. Man's ascension may well make him wish he hadn't
>>344470715
>"Master Willem was right. Evolution without courage will be the death of our race"
>Evolution without courage will be the death of our race
Yes. Do you know how evolution works? Not everyone evolves and those who don't die. Those who do evolve, survive. The people who get turned into frenzied abominations are the unfortunate failures. Master Willem encourages this process as he says that they must continue with their course but do it with courage, instead of, say, doubt.
>>344461659
he was a product of his time
>>344471062
The Lovecraft twist in Bloodborne was a sudden and appreciated erection.
I remember years ago in one of those make your dream game and a lot of people said Dark Souls + Lovecraft. And somehow we got it.
>>344471332
master willem was not in any way encouraging the actions of the Choir or the Mensis, the two antagonistic factions of the whole game (save the dlc). their founding was a result of Laurence splitting with Willem because he was dissatisfied with Willem's methods.
>master willem encourages this process
"By the Gods, fear it [the Blood], Laurence"
>>344471062
>it was like a new Lovecraft novel to the audience as well
really, tell me about some of lovecraft's novels
>>344471321
I certainly think what they do is horrible, but I think that the people of that world are so far gone and depraved that they truly believe it to be the best thing ever. And maybe it is, who knows? In any case it's impossible to imagine that humanity will remain in the form that we are now millions of years down the line. Bloodborne, to me, is a game about evolution, life and birth. To me it is the most human and hopeful game that Miyazaki has made, even if it has the trademark veil of crazyness.
>>344471152
yeah, i bought it on release, figuring that was all there was.
was pleasantly surprised, though
>>344471471
Fear it doesn't necessarily mean avoid it. It's a powerful thing and should be feared and respected instead of squandered around with like many of the Clergy seem to be doing. I interpret it as Willem advising caution, but not abandoning the process.
>>344471640
He has a few short novels or that are sometimes considered novels or novellas. At the Mountains of Madness, The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath, maybe a few others.
>>344471260
CODENAME: S.T.E.A.M. is close?
>>344471849
>Provost Willem would have approved of Caryll's Runes, as they do not rely on Blood in any measure -- Rune Workshop Tool
Blood as a source of arcane power was a hard no-go under Willem's administration
Was Alan Wake inspired by Lovecraft?
>>344471640
sure. CoC is a novella, but MoM, Kadath, Innsmouth are definitely close enough to be considered novels.
also definition semantics are for faggots who value being technically correct over valuable, constructive discussion
>>344471657
>but I think that the people of that world are so far gone and depraved that they truly believe it to be the best thing ever.
just because they "believe" that it's a good thing doesn't mean that it's not an objectively bad thing. I know people who "believe" that it's good for kids to not get vaccinations.
>>344471990
In this case it's possible that he didn't like the blood experiments. He did want to ascend, however, so the desire remains the same, even if the path was different. He's the head of an institution whose whole existence is solely to study aliens from the cosmos after all.
>>344471892
no, he has a few long stories/novellas. he has nothing considered a novel or short novel.
>>344472098
Lovecraft by way of Stephen King sure. But the thing in the lake is pretty legit though acts completely unlike a Lovecraft 'villain' so to speak.
>>344472098
No, it's closer to a slasher film.
>>344472102
>40 page long stories are "definitely close enough to be considered novels"
people who read would just say you're wrong. you know who semantics are for? people who read
lovecraft is pretty entry-level stuff, so it doesn't surprise me that it's about as far as some of you get
>>344472247
A novella is a short novel.
>>344472241
the different path makes all of the difference in the whole world, senpai
Willem wanted to ascend via insight, and elevating his thoughts to the level of a Great One -- he wanted to organically grow eyes on his brain until he saw the Cosmos
Laurence, Micolash, etc. thought that was a retarded idea. They wanted to cheat -- use the arcane power of the Blood and other artifacts to force a physical transformation artificially. The results of these experiments are disastrous, just look at Yharnam, at Yahargul. The Church was not at all interested in gaining knowledge, they were interested in how to ascend WITHOUT gaining any more knowledge than necessary to work their technology
>>344472116
But I don't think our real world values apply to Bloodborne. We can try to apply them, and that may be the point of the Hunter being a literal foreigner, but we're supposed to observe their ways and decide for ourselves what is best and what is not, which is why turning into a calamari is a possible ending.
>>344472348
The copies I have of his stuff have AtMoM at 104 pages and Dream Quest at 102 pages. The Case of Charles Dexter Ward is 128 pages.
>>344472836
must be some big letters
>>344466958
Is there more of this or what? You gonna post it?
>>344462390
>In Bloodborne this is seen as a GOOD thing. Madmen are enlightened and it's a state of mine that is sought out, not avoided.
In the same way having fish babies is seen as a "good" thing in fucking innsmouth. Which is to say, any reasonable person can see it's fucked up and has caused the place to go to absolute hell.
>?
One of the gods makes both iofsefka and the prostitute suddenly alien pregnant. Did you seriously not play the fucking game?
>And a bunch of shit covered by my first point.
Are you really so goddamn stupid you believe the crazy people who turned the town into fucking werewolves?
>>344462238
I don't understand why damaging your enemy makes the game "not lovecraftian". The central themes of facing unknown and striving to obtain intelligence not fit for men are really Lovecraftian.
>"B-But gameplay mechanics"
So you ignore entire setting and plotline because it has a gameplay mechanic you don't consider "lovecraftian enough"?
I swear this board is inhabited by autists.
>>344472557
their "ways" are a product of diseased minds that are wrought by addiction and indoctrination. respecting them is nothing more than enabling a drug abuser instead of helping them overcome their problem
>>344473009
They're the Arkham House prints.
https://www.amazon.com/At-Mountains-Madness-Other-Novels/dp/0870540386/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468111328&sr=8-1&keywords=at+the+mountains+of+madness+arkham+house
>>344472348
>lovecraft is pretty entry-level stuff, so it doesn't surprise me that it's about as far as some of you get
I agree with the rest of your post but now your /lit/ is showing. Get off your wooden horse and just accept the fact that people like Lovecraft and there's nothing wrong with it. The whole concept of entry level anything is plain silly.
>ctrl+f "eternal darkness"
>2 matches
Not enough.
>>344473501
B-but my War and Peace!
>>344458803
most fun and favorite?
represents it fairly well with the fishing hamlet being literally innsmouth
bloodborne
its GOAT really
>>344473407
And yet Yharnam is the only place in the world that isn't being ravaged by an incurable plague. Don't forget that the reason for the Hunter to go to Yharnam in the first place was because of the rumor that Yharnamites did not suffer from the plague that you (and most of the outside world) suffered from, and you desperately wanted a cure.
Yharnamites have taken the blood thing a bit too far and fetishize it quite a bit, but I don't see how it's any more or less wrong than the extent we take something such as alcohol. For some people it does become a problem, but others can be responsible with it.
>>344467707
I know, but try telling that to certain offshoots of the Jewish population. They're as ignorant as /pol/.
>>344462390
this whole post sees bloodborne as one person
bloodborne has no good or bad its not black and white
>>344473812
>Yharnam in the first place was because of the rumor that Yharnamites did not suffer from the plague that you (and most of the outside world) suffered from, and you desperately wanted a cure.
>and most of the outside world
find me literally any evidence to suggest this. the only thing Big M has EVER stated is that the Hunter came to Yharnam to cure a disease, he made no mention of some world-ending plague
>>344473501
Not that guy but I think every category of entertainment has "entry-level" stuff.
I don't watch anime but I've seen DBZ, everyone has. If an anime fan listed DBZ as one of their favorite animes of all time, you might find it questionable because DBZ is obviously entry-tier.
As far as videogames go, I'd say CoD, Assassin's Creed, Fifa, Overwatch, and LoL are pretty entry tier.
>>344458803
I fell like a lot of people who make "Lovecraftian" games have clearly never read Lovecraft. Luckily there are exceptions.
Why people think that Lovecraft is all about the insane gods you can't do anything about, there are quite more "human" creatures. Why not a game about the Elder Thingsthry are Man after all!, the Mi-Go and so on? They are vastly superior to us but they are mere lackeys in the the big picture.
>mfw no Acthung! Cthulhu game
>mfw no Delta Green vidya
>>344473884
Jew is definitely a distinct race, it's just that you can be Jewish and not be an ethnic Jew, but since there aren't separate words to distinguish the race and the religion it gets complicated
>>344469110
It's pretty shit though. Interesting setting ruined with a story that becomes just an excuse to showcase rape and mash together such a collection of "scary" snuff fetishes it feels like written by a 12-yo looking to rake in those edge points. I don't understand why people like this. It was just a huge letdown.
At least the ost is nice.
>>344470378
I played that, it was one of the best representation of Lovecraft I've seen in a game. The soundtrack is great too, if you like that stuff give it a try anon
>>344458803
Bloodborne
>>344461659
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers
>>344459963
Go back to Tumblr.
>>344473812
>I don't see how it's any more or less wrong than the extent we take something such as alcohol
Alcohol doesn't turn people into werewolves you dingus, what the fuck kind of bullshit alcohol have you been chugging???
>>344474330
>born white
>baptized Catholic
>was never close with my family or church
>spent most of my childhood attending a majority Jewish school
>one day someone asks me if I'm Jewish
>"Uh . . . only culturally, I guess?"
>>344467252
He traveled extensively in middle age and his attitudes softened, seeing how he must have realized they were in some part shaped by his fucked up upbringing and the powerlessness of his poverty. He supported the New Deal and was sympathetic to socialist attitudes that were on the rise again before McCarthyism drew them off.
I kind of see Shadow Over Innsmouth reflecting his changing attitudes in some way. At the end, the protagonist accepts his metamorphic fate as something to be embraced rather than escaped from in an almost positive ending, if we leave our human bias at the door.
Quake always was an intersting mix of lovecraftian, gothic horrors meats 80's cyber warfare
>>344474705
This is hilarious
>>344459168
>Implying I don't love him BECAUSE of his racism
>Mfw those 'Nigerian Witch Doctors'
Based Lovecraft putting those Nignogs in their place.
>>344474687
saw cleaver is such a shit weapon when you think about it
>slice into beast hide
>teeth of saw get stuck like when you cut into wood at a bad angle
>get killed like a bitch as you try and wrench the weapon free
don't have this problem with the Axe desu
>>344474330
It's been proven time and again that, while certain Jewish sects can obviously trace their genetic roots a few hundred years down the line, there's no common denominator that unifies them racially.
>>344474756
Maybe not physically. Some people can't handle alcohol at all and become violent assholes even if they are anything but.
>>344460618
>>344460876
>>344462390
Stop replying to this fag. He's either a Pcuck who has never played Bloodborne or a deranged baitposter.
>>344475121
>there's no common denominator that unifies them racially.
That's because they were vagrants who kept getting ran out of each country they tried to settle in. They are a very mixed group.
>>344460170
Because he had intelligence, and taste. In his time, those things weren't entirely forbidden by Market Monotheism.
>>344475341
same thing happens with Blood as well
only with Blood, you ALSO have people turn into literal werewolves, so it's a bit more extreme of a drug than alcohol
>>344475554
it's a bit more fantastical, but in some ways it's also the same.
>>344471347
Not all writers of his time decided to write a poem about niggers, even the ones who have shown to be racist.
>>344475426
No one cares dumb baleposter. You're all spergs for getting angry about interpretations of a video game that is vague as fuck on purpose.
>>344474940
Your reaction image is a proper reaction for what you wrote.
lovecrafts not that great, he just knows how to ride the fine line between scary and lowest common denominator. the really scary things are the vastness of space and the insignifigance of ourselves, but most of us dont think much farther then our next cheeseburger or what case of beer to buy for the weekend.
just like the catalogue. before it, we used to have to sit on page 1 and f5 over and over. regardless of if we wanted to or not, we would sooner or later, see every single thread. we were exposed to more stuff then normal, and any time any of it grabbed our attention we found something new and interesting to try.
Now, most users sort by reply count. which means, the only things we see now days is purely what is the most popular. its an upvote, by a different name.
>The Bloodborne salt continues to flow
A bottomless curse, a bottomless salty sea, accepting of all that is and can never ever be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMAx-lKfIw
Darkest Dungeon and Bloodborne are my two favorite games right now, both express Lovecraft's themes of oppressive unknown horrors, and humanity's deathly curiosity and smallness very well, for games based around combat.
>>344476009
>gif
>picture doesn't move
>>344475464
That, time in general, and just the genetic diversity that was going on in the area where Semitism sprang from. Thus we have black African Jews that can honestly claim they're racially purer than a snotty up state new yorker, since they can trace their genetic roots further down the line in a religious context.
>>344476284
I've heard of these guys before. Isn't there a sect of them that claims to have possession of the Ark of the Covenant?
>>344476048
The maker of that video seems to take everything way too literally.
>>344458803
Think really carefully through this one before you reject it.
Everything about Bloodborne is a betrayal of Lovecraft's work.
The message that we are infinitesimally small in a sea of celestial deities is turned upside down by Hackazaki for his generic god-killing power fantasy.
The idea that humanity was never meant to assume greatness is tossed out the window when we learn that Rom was once a human.
Exposure to the Great Ones' presence leads to little more than loss of HP, which can be remedied by only a few of the numerous Blood Vials littered throughout the game, yet in Lovecraft's stories the protagonist often becomes paralyzed with fear at the mere sight or sound of a Great Old One.
Bloodborne is shit, and every From fan that defends it should be reminded at every given opportunity that their generic god-slaying game is nothing more than Lovecraft's literature turned upside down.
>>344466958
I always lose interest in these stories the minute they describe the monster. It's always 'I thought it was a human/dog/horse/etc, but when I looked closer, it was abnormal!'.
>>344476423
That's a certain Ethopian christian sect.
>>344476279
>implying there isnt a 45 second delay on the 2nd frame
>>344476667
oh
well it seems like a pretty easy thing to fact-check
>hey we've got the Ark
>let us see it pls
Why do I see so many of you with high health? I only have 15 in HP and doing just fine. I'm at the swamp place (frontier?).
>>344476838
Are you in the right thread?
>>344476754
>>344476754
only their high priest is allowed to see it and the position of high priest is passed down from generation to generation if remember right.
>>344476490
Or.
Its just a fun little game and From's homage to Lovecraft, a writer who's work they enjoy. And is not an adaptation.
Maybe you should stop worrying so much.
>>344475121
Not all but most are unified genetically. Compare most Jewish groups genetic clusters to other middle eastern population, they're closer.
>>344476486
I can see it.
>An amorphous being from outer space descends onto the planet, takes on the form of the inhabitants and corrupts the local wildlife into twisted abominations
>>344459168
lovecraft hated everyone
>>344476881
Yes.
>>344477110
Are you sure?
>>344476490
Lovecraft is shit though. Bloodborne just too the interesting parts and executed them better.
>>344476490
you don't really ''kill'' any gods anon, you slaughter man-beasts and alien life, and walk through dreamlands and slay ambiguous nightmares. In the best case scenarios you're reborn as a squid now, or awaken with no memory of the nightmare dimensions.
It's a sickly sweet ending in either case. Like the ending of Innsmouth.
>>344466025
you are retarded, the ENTIRE POINT OF THE FUCKING STORY is that Cthulhu represents the inevitable death and ultimate meaninglessness of humanity. They ram him with the boat, which puts him back to sleep, but in his house at R'Lyeh he still lies dreaming to one day awake fully and destroy the human race.
He wasn't fully awake yet, just sleepwalking if you will. No matter what they do, he'll rise one day and wipe out the human race.
>>344476939
Just like how Battlefield 1 is an homage to WW1, right?
>Lovecraft threads are now bloodborne threads
>>344477197
Absolutely.
>>344462869
Race traitor
>>344477227
If the "ambigious nightmares" aren't the old gods then what are the old gods in it?
>>344458803
>which are your favorites
None, because it's all pretentious edgy shit.
>>344477325
Then who was your original post directed at?
>>344476490
>he ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY thinks that you seriously kill Great Ones in Bloodborne
oh my sweet child, you have done nothing but cut off a single tendril of an entity that lies beyond your comprehension
>>344477303
Sure I'll go for a non sequitur, thanks.
>>344476754
fuckin mormons, lol
>hey man i have these magic glasses that let me read these golden plates, here ill write them down
>oh hey could you, uh, do that again
>tries
>writes a whole bunch of other stuff, then claims the glasses dont work anymore
>"no, i didnt make it up, i just mispoke when i first did it. it dosent show me words, but ideas"
>>344476937
how convenent. er, i mean, convenient
>>344477405
This >>344476048
Now go to sleep, kid.
>>344477534
But that guy doesn't have a lot of HP, so your post was either you being misinformed, being in the wrong thread, or you have never played BB before and think it's the same as DaS.
>>344477303
...it isnt? you mean every second soldier really had automatic mp-18`s despite it having a run of just 10,00-
oh, right. cant have a black guy on the cover of a bf game, the streets would run with blood from the rioting.
>>344477496
BF1 is to WW1 what BB is to Lovecraft. Is that so hard?
>>344477641
Relatively he does. It's not the wrong thread. You're retarded.
>>344477532
JOSEPH SMITH'S WIFE SMART, JOSEPH SMITH DUMB
DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB~
hey guys remember how the hide post function exists and so you dont need to respond to bait
>>344477532
>how convenent. er, i mean, convenient
ikr. i was mad as fuck when i was watching documentary about the ark and trying to find it and the ethopians were like "lolnope, not for you".
appartently those ethopian sects have been around pretty much since before the catholic church was even founded. if you're looking for ancient christianity, that's pretty much where you'll find it.
>>344477732
I didn't even mention the cover you double nigger, but since you're so triggered by black people, have this.
No, what I'm talking about is not including France or Russia. You know, both of which WW1 largely revolved around, and one of which the whole war could not have started without?
>>344476490
you guys have always so obviously never even really played Bloodborne, it's explicitly stated again and again that the great ones you "kill" still live on in alternate dimensions that they create and even pull people into.
>The idea that humanity was never meant to assume greatness is tossed out the window when we learn that Rom was once a human.
It's Rom the great VACUOUS spider you fucking dunce, she was effectively lobotomized because humanity is not meant to reach great one status.
>>344476490
>The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.
This is taken directly from "The Call of Cthulhu", by Lovecraft.
>>344477951
So basically now you're telling us that it's not trying to be a video game it's trying to be a artform now by saying that you don't kill them or anything they just ~disappear~
>>344477064
Also note that the characters deal with heavy mental illness, existential angst, etc. and how the game is full of references to modernist philosophers and artists who struggled with many of same post-Christianity anxieties as Lovecraft, like there is a character named Heidegger and one dungeon is made out in the style of M. C. Eschers drawings.
FFVII has become so iconic, I feel like it's easy to forget how ridiculously original and brave it is, both for its genre and the medium. It's not just an sincere translation of the stuff Lovecraft was feeling and caring about, compared to all those bread-and-butter lantern-swinging games, it also advances and builds on him.
Fuck yeah, Final Fantasy VII.
>>344477779
Are you trying to say that Lovecraft's work was based on real life incidents and Bloodborne is a poor representation of those events.
Cause thats what you're implying. Just don't get so worked up about video games. Bloodborne has done nothing to Lovecraft's stories they're still the same and always will be. Both can exist and you don't have to like Bloodborne no one is forcing you.
>>344461659
Literally wrote an essay about how black people were dumb and created from shit
>>344477945
..i...uh...what? i was arguing how dumb it was for people to care it had a black...i...
uh, just, what did you think i was arguing?
and seriously? say it with me. D. L. C. the past 2 battlefields have been a half complete fucking mess with all the good bits behind paywalls. what would go PERFECTLY behind a paywall?
thats right! france and russia!
>>344478185
Why do all of you Lovecraft fucks think every game movie or book was inspired by Lovecraft.
Guess what, Lovecraft wasn't original at all.
>>344477904
>>344477532
>>344476937
>not breaking in and filming everything you see
>>344478364
>and heres me filming an empty room
guess what happens next:
>your ark is in another castle!
>>344478161
Are you genuinely retarded? There is nothing metaphorical about this, the great ones physically live on even if physically killed and can create alternate dimensions like the Hunter's Nightmare. I notice you've also completely ignored the fact that you have been exposed for knowing nothing about Rom.
>>344478197
Nah, I'm saying if Lovecraft's work actually did happen, like how WW1 happened, then both BF1 and BB are the same in representing their respective events.
I liked BB's gameplay just fine, the combat was better than DaS, I just didn't like the rest of it. Especially those loading times. Holy fuck that was ridiculous. Apparently a speedrunner burned the Bloodborne loading screen into his TV from those fucking loading times.
>>344478364
Thats a whole lot of effort to break in and film nothing.
Plus they'll just say it can't be filmed, its invisible.
>>344478326
Surreal, disgusting monster from out of space with unfathomable motivations happens to die on Earth and the remains lead the planet to the brink of extinction and send the main characters to edge of madness. Yeah, no, there is no way there is any Lovecraft influence here.
>>344477396
The nameless Moon Presence is Gehrman's nightmare of the moon and the umbilical cords personified, the Wetnurse is Mergo's nightmare keeping of his traumatic birth, keeping him from his mother, using his cries to lure the moon close to the earth. And the wispy little child seeping out of Kos is dreaming of the Orphan, himself grown old and stunted, wielding a weapon formed from the cord that was stolen from him and the burial blade that severed it.
And the game has its fair share of curious, manic scholars, a popular character type for Lovecraft.
>>344478161
>kill Orphan of Kos
>it lingers on in spirit form until you hit it's ghost, and EVEN THEN it still doesn't die
>kill Rom
>kill Amygdala
>kill the Celestial Emissary
>kill Mergo
>all of these can still be found in the non-Euclidean geometry of the Chalice Dungeons
are you fucking stupid? This shit is explicitly given in-game. Great Ones maintain continue their existence beyond after you kill their "physical" form, even if doing so cuts them off from you
>>344478530
>Nah, I'm saying if Lovecraft's work actually did happen, like how WW1 happened, then both BF1 and BB are the same in representing their respective events.
That conditional is irrelevant to the point you're trying to make, you dumbass.
>>344478161
How do you not know this? Did you even play the game?
How do you think Rom exists in CD despite being dying in the Moonlit Lake?
How do you think fucking Micolash is alive despite being a fucking corpse in the Waking World? These realms aren't bound by any human laws, and the fucking Great Ones even less so.
>>344478663
>that pic
Imposter Iosefka did nothing wrongand is the best girl in the game desu
>>344478314
I thought you were arguing that black people should never be featured on covers, and that their removal from video games would be a good thing. You weren't? It sounded like you were, using typical /v/ doublethink.
Yeah, but EA loves to announce massive DLC before games have even launched, so you would think that there would at least be rumors floating around of France and Russia, but nope, not a sound. We're two and a half months away, gotta get the masses hyped for DLC early and all that. Maybe Swedish dev teams are incompetent. Just look at Paradox.
>>344478640
>Surreal, disgusting monster from out of space
That's more than what Lovecraft is about. Anyway, earlier works have talked about such things before Lovecraft.
>the remains lead the planet to the brink of extinction
Lovecraft didn't invent apocalypse. Extraterrestrial beings from the heavens coming in to bring about the end, is something found in lots of religions.
You Lovecraftian retards are the equivalent of afrocentrist, stealing the credit of everything, when you've been copying most of the stuff!
>>344458991
Half-Life itself is already fairly Lovecraft-y. I mean the aliens, obviously.
>>344460170
A combination of his upbringing and the attitudes at the time.
>Father is a traveling salesman that fooled around, contracts syphilis, is sent to the loony bin but that is kept from young Lovecraft because of the shame
>His "plantation glory days" Grandpa becomes a substitute father figure, anglophiles the boy.
>Grandpa dies, family savings run out, mother becomes loony her self (possibly because of Syphilis)
>Starts telling Lovecraft he's sick and ugly and that he must remain inside with her at all times, overprotective (even incestuous), makes him share a bed with her well into his adolescence
>She's eventually put in the same asylum his father was at (where he never got to visit). He learns of his father's fate.
>Is forced to live with two spiteful aunts that never let him hear the end of it
>Finally moves out, is barely able to support himself by his writing despite gaining a cult following pretty fast
>Xenophobic as shit because a healthy dose of Grandpa's tales of black bogymen and Mom's head games, low self esteem and body image, but learned because he wasn't allowed to go outside and play and read to pass the time
>Living in rough neighborhoods, feeling powerless, Racialism that was popular at the time an attractive substitute to forcing yourself to mingle with the "other" you're already scared shitless of
>Still managed to rise somewhat above it, made a ton of friends (which he wrote and later traveled to extensively), party a bit and even hang out with Hoodini, marry a Jewres and sort of come around on his childish attitudes at the later leg of his life
Lovecraft had a hard life, was taken away from us too soon. Then again, his death was likely an unfortunate side effect of preferring to live as a gentleman despite impoverished circumstances. Lovecraft preferred to spend his income on books, science equipment and stamps over inconveniences such as food, priding in his ability to survive for weeks on nothing but crackers and cheese.
>>344478161
this >>344478678
>killing orphan of kos leaves a spirit that flies into the ocean
>kill ebrietas and you can still channel her with augur of ebrietas
>kill amygdala and there are still multiple amygdalas all over the walls
>kill mergo and you can still hear its cries
>the power of a great one can bring the ddead back to life
>B-BUT YOU HAVE A WEAPON AND THERE ARE TENTACLE ALIENS I SWEAR I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
I can't tell if I'm being baited when people actually try and argue that Bloodblorne isn't Lovecraftian
It's literally drenched in Lovecraft.
>>344464693
Kirby is basically a baby eldritch being anyway
all the final bosses reek of Lovecraftian influence
>>344479112
They don't want to accept that Bloodborne improves on Lovecraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmH-unczPY
>soothing hymn
>soothing
>soothing
>>344458803
Inspired by Lovecraft's notes, and depicts the concept of 'reality' being a mere facade for the true, bleak horror of the universe. That good enough for you?
>>344478906
Ehhhh, it's the juxtaposition which makes me very skeptical to the idea that the Final Fantasy VII developers were not aware of Lovecraft.
>>344479112
In the same way self-described roguelikes are soaked with Rogue, right?
>>344478962
You are trying too hard.
>>344479220
The similarities account for a small aspect of what FFVII is about.
>>344460429
But everyone there is too cucked up and neanderthal-like to hold any sort of conversation. The second you visit your IQ starts dropping. It's somehow worse than /v/
>>344479281
So you are baiting then? Got it.
>>344479112
I think its a form of elitism or snobbery.
"I know more about Lovecraft then you, therefor I dictate what is and isn't 'Lovecraftian'."
Thats what it comes across like. Though it could also be part of the Lovecraft thread trolling i.e. Racist.
>>344459168
>Not naming your black cats "nigger cat"
>>344479394
>waahhhhh he didn't use a food analogy, it's bait
good response. Do you defend all games you like that way?
>>344478874
>I thought you were arguing that black people should never be featured on covers, and that their removal from video games would be a good thing.
i am SO FUCKING curious. please, explain. which part, and how. was it how i said the streets would run with blood if they ever did that, next to the example of where it had already happened and no riots occurred years ago? or was it
was it
thats actually it. thats the entire sentence in relation to black people. there is literally nothing else to interpret there.
>>344459168
Faggot, not even blacks like other blacks.
>>344479495
What's there to defend? He didn't even put forward an argument.
>>344479112
>>344479176
It certainly influenced by Lovecraft, but it's just one of many influences and little more than window dressing. Actually read his work, you won't find much that is similar to what Bloodborne actually is, which is why some people rebel against it always pooping up in these threads.
Pic related is way closer to Lovecraftian fiction, but it too draws a lot of influences from elsewhere.
>>344479112
It's people who have only ever heard of cthulhu and haven't actually played bloodborne/don't understand the details of the lore and just know you have a sword and hit aliens with it. Anyone that has read lovecraft and knows the lore of bloodborne would know the following
>great ones are EXACTLY as they are in lovecraft
>many things are not as they seem
>many fucking gross aliens are not great ones and are sympathetic (like the great race of yith)
>dreams are exactly like dream quest of unknown kadath, the loran silverbeast is almost exactly like a gug
>yarnham, the healing church, and the beast blood/transformations are all literally the shadow over innsmouth with werewolves instead of fish people
>fishing hamlet is LITERALLY innsmouth though
>dead doesn't really mean dead
>>344479346
I agree it's not a pure Lovecraftian game. It's probably first and foremostly, "Hey, let's do Neon Genesis Evangelion with Final Fantasy VI, and oh, someone in my family died." But I believe there is a conscious, underrated, major Lovecraft influence there, in the background.
In case you think this is the opinion of "us Lovecraft geeks in general", it's honestly just me going on about wherever I can, AFAIK.
>>344460203
>his wife was jewish
Fuck my ass.
>>344479459
his cat was named nigger MAN thank you very much
When the red moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred. And when the Great Ones descend, a womb will be blessed with child.
Parts of Warcraft
Eternal Darkness
Amnesia, a little bit
>>344479695
Except Evangelion is not to Japanese adults that are familiar with anime and video games (and other forms of etertainment) and the popular culture surrounding it as to what Lovecraft is. Lovecraft is not as popular as it is in America.
>>344479497
All the hyperbole and stuff like
like
like this... and... jus-
just lik-
like th-
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what people don't get is that Bloodborne isn't an adaptation of The Call of Cthulhu, it takes tons of inspiration and ideas from Lovecraft but strives to still have it's own unique universe.
That being said, the way dreams, great ones, and death works is just about identical to lovecraft.
>>344479774
In the short story about the rats, the cat was named nigger CAT
>>344479287
Neat.
I hate how even Lovecraft fans pretend the Cthulhu mythos is the best thing he ever wrote.
An At The Mountains Of Madness game would be super fucking awesome.
Are there any other horror, scifi or fantasy subgenres/themes that haven't really been utilized much in video games, such as Lovecraftian horror?
Personally I would like to see more Dieselpunk. Also more dinosaur-themed games as well.
>>344479725
Jews always win. Even their ways are tricky. Fucking a woman from another race usually means you take that women into your culture. But that's not the case with Jewish people. In fact either the man becomes Jewish (identifies as such and takes part of the culture) or the children will be (if there are any).
>>344480087
>Also more dinosaur-themed games as well.
Dinosaurs are lame
Robots > Hotwheels > Superheroes > Dinosaurs
>>344462390
>ideas of dreams being alternate planes of reality is stretching
the whole dream cycle which conatain a lot of lovecraft's stories are set on this perspective and dreams play a HUGE role in bloodborne
Holy shit if you desperately want to hate BB do so but you are far worse than sonyggers. You may have a problem with it but not calling it the best lovecraftian game ever made, you are making a fool of yourself
>>344478364
this
>>344478534
Either that or there'll just be some ancient old bit of wood with flaking gold leaf on it inside a reliquary.
>>344474791
Didn't they ditch that setting in the sequels for generic aliens instead? I only played the first one and III
>>344480087
>*punk
god no. Please no, cyberpunk notwithstanding, *punk is absolute trash and typically filled with 'it's magic, lol, why explain shit' hacks that are drawn to the idea like moths to light and utterly infest the genre until there's no saving it.
>>344465914
>What is Re-Animator
>>344479957
I always saw it as a mix of Shadow over Innsmouth, The Dream Cycle and Colour out of space.
>>344480038
>At The Mountains Of Madness game
Man how would that work, an adventure game? Or maybe you'd have to have a lot of it take place in the ancient city, like you'd have to plan expeditions and slowly work your way through it?
>>344480225
>Robots
>Not the lamest excuse for vidya antagonists in existence next to zombies
>>344480087
Miyazaki supposedly wants to do a scifi setting next, so we're probably going to get some outrageous mixture of scifi elements from multiple genres like in BB
>>344467116
You're retarded. A bunch of "Irish" Americans claiming they're irish and ordering 5 extra beers than the others doens't make them Irish. Rarely do they actually keep the culture, that includes Italian Americans. And that's especially true for German Americans. St Patty's day is celebrated by many Americans (white, black ,etc...)
And German Americans rarely identify as such and don't practice much if any of their ancestors culture. Do you see Trump acting like a German?
>>344479878
If you wanna go there, Hideaki Anno has stated Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke as a huge influence on Neon Genesis Evangelion, which is basically a hard sci-fi take on Lovecraft.^^
>>344480038
Call of Cthulhu is pop culture, which is why people here are so triggered by "BB is Lovecraft!", because "X is Lovecraft/Cthulhu mythos" by faggots that have never read source material have permeated the subject matter.
>>344479459
I was reading that one the other week. It really caught me off guard and I just couldn't take it seriously anymore. Surprisingly, though, he did have some comedies and light-hearted stuff.
Bloodborne seamlessly, and damn-near perfectly, mixes the genres of gothic horror and cosmic horror together, without making either element feel cheap or shallow, and nailing most of the key themes and ideas of each
is there any other game that has done something as remarkable of this?
>>344478326
>Guess what, Lovecraft wasn't original at all.
>>344480523
Well, he's acting like an Austrian, is that good enough?
>>344476639
That's usually what happens anon. You don't expect the abnormal at first.
I sort of had a similar experience, only I didn't see a monster, but a weird formation of light on top of a neighbor's house and I made all sorts of excuses for what it could be until it did some spooky shit.
>>344458803
Lovecraft's stories are boring as fuck.
Dozens of modern authors that emulate his "style" are far better than he ever was.
Check out Laird Barron.
Literally GOAT cosmic horror.
>>344479983
No, if you're talking about The Rats in the Walls, then it's niggerman.
>>344480087
I'd love to see something set in a Pegāna type universe.
Lovecraft, as with most fantasy authors of note in the 20th century, where heavily inspired by Lord Dunsany's work, yet it has had little representation in recent decades.
>op wanted a comfortable Lovecraft thread
>Bloodborne is suggested
>PCfriends lose their minds
It makes my head shudder uncontrollably
>>344480521
If fine with that. It seems to be the natural evolution of the series.
Though I wonder what he'll do for a narrative theme, now that he's exhausted lovecraftian potential with Bloodborne.
>>344479648
>Actually read his work, you won't find much that is similar to what Bloodborne actually is
Yeah, the whole bunch of scholars go spelunking and discover an ancient civilisation/great ones isn't what Bloodborne is about at all. Neither is a fishing village that slowly becomes corrupted by the influence of cosmic entities and gradually begin to decay into hideous abominations.
Have you even fucking read Lovecraft or played the game, m8? Fucking "window dressing", my arse.
>>344480752
Go back and look it up loser, it's Nigger Cat.
>>344480679
See, true or not, I would be a hell of a lot more interested in reading a story about that weird formation of light than any one of the /x/-tier spoopytales. I also hated The Outsider, too, because the minute Lovecraft started describing the monster, I knew it was a reflection. Maybe that's just because so many people ape his work that I've encountered it so often, but I doubt the trope originates with him. Regardless, I hate that shit.
Favorite Lovecraft story.
Mine was probably Shadow out of Time or Mountains of Madness, maybe Dream-Quest if I want something a bit different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHw9SIpNwDM
>>344480538
This isn't about Evangelion though. Hideo Aneki didn't take part in FFVII. Childhood's End is a religious allegory and doesn't necessarily have to be inspired from Lovecraft.
And the aspect of Evangelion that could have been inspired from is again small.
Like I said, even Lovecraft isn't original.
>>344480678
He's not.
>inb4 Trump is racist
That's funny.
>>344480225
fuck you
>>344474940
A-Am I cool yet?
>>344481020
Literally cannot understand what this faggot is saying.
>>344480659
You read that right.
>>344480958
"As I have said, I moved in on July 16, 1923. My household consisted of seven servents and nine cats, of which latter species I particularly fond. My eldest cat, "Nigger-Man," was seven years old and had come with me from my home in Bolton, Massachusetts;the others I had accumulated whilst living with Capt. Norrys' family during the restoration of the priory".
My puplication says Nigger-Man.
>>344459980
BB is babby's first lovecraft lmao. Souls autists are this delusional
>>344481332
Mine says Nigger Cat.
>>344480851
the dangers of cyborgs -- what evils arise when man starts mixing too recklessly with machine?
>>344480958
I had to harness potato technology just to prove your faggot ass wrong.
>>344481101
I agree. Art is fundamentally derivative. But if your brain does not light up when you notice sizeable similarities between things and feel like sharing them or hearing about them, I can't do much to help you. I can't prove that Final Fantasy VII was inspired by Lovecraft, but just the way Jenova is presented and everything ... It seems very unlikely to me that it isn't.
>>344479648
Bloodborne draws on a lot of the typical Cthulu mythos stuff, but it also takes a lot of inspiration from Lovecraft's Dream Quest stories. In both those stories and the game, dreams and nightmares are presented as physical planes that one can travel to. Bloodborne is probably the game that comes closest to capturing the feel of Lovecraft's work because it moves beyond the surface level, eldritch tentacle stuff that most games do
>>344480659
He really wasn't though.
He often cited Chambers "The King In Yellow" as a big influence.
One of the deities in Lovecraft's mythos is based on the Yellow King.
>>344480868
I'm talking tonality here. Said scholars don't go around spelunking with weapons to fight the ancient eldritch horrors wearing Victorian gothic influenced anime armor and then keep going to that corrupted fishing village for seconds. That's actually more Robert E. Howard pulp than Lovecraftian.
Then we have all the Universal/Hammer horror influences, and gothic influences from a time and fiction that preceded Lovecraft.
I like the game, but I would recommend other games over it to people looking for something specifically Lovecraftian, whereas I'd recommend Bloodborne to people just looking for good horror influenced hack n slash.
>>344481448
What do you have? I'm reading from "The Best of H.P. Lovecraft - Bloodcurdling Tales of Horror and the Macabre - Introduction by Robert Bloch".
>>344481746
Necronomicon
>>344462931
>Bloodborne
>Lovecraftian
KEK
>>344481837
I saw that in the bookstore, but it would have cost me an extra $50, so I decided to embrace my inner kike and get the $20 one.
>>344481494
Those similarities could very much be from a similar older source.
The first epics like the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Illiad very much inspired a lot of other things in literature. Heck, perhaps there are unknown older writings or oral stories. Regardless, if you take a look of the oldest stories, you'll realize the themes, stories make up a lot of the stuff you see even till this day.
That's not to say Lovecraft didn't have anything original or else it'd be plagiariasm. The sum of the things of Lovecraft and virtually any writer is original. But when you pick apart the things, you realize each element is not original.
What you first did (and this is common amongst fanboys of Lovecraft and some other authors) is that they assumer those parts (not as a whole) to be the origin of works that came after it, when that may not be the case.
Like I said before, Lovecraft is more than just extraterrestial being that's surreal and potentially causing the extinction of humans. As that thing is not even restricted to Lovecraft.
>>344479887
oh, a subject change and a personal attack!
ya see, i was going to give you the chance to opt out, in the first post. point out you might of just misread it, but you insisted on going with it
and so am i.
going to do
so.
here, ill help you out. im also retarded and have the iq of a 14 year old child. can you succesfully outdebate a retarded 14 year brained mong?
orrrr you gonna attack the line breaks in ....slue of an actual argument.
take your time. hell, you could just...leave. then this argument ends. its effective damage control. it works.
>>344460935
To be honest, it just switches the names for new ones. I love Eternal Darkness, but it's not very subtle about the inspirations.
Still, it has some of the best fucking voice acting in video games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br0YVSNkBFA
>>344481969
I have the necronomicon copy its very thick so its hard to comfortably read unless you're sitting at a desk. You may have made a correct choice.
>>344481746
>>344481837
The S.T. Joshi collection 'The Call of Cthulu and Other Weird Tales' also says Niggerman, both for the cat in the story and the cat Lovecraft owned as a kid which ran away when he moved house.
>>344480961
The light thing really isn't as interesting as you'd think.
I saw a weird, dome-like shape on top of a neighbor's house from across the street, and it was glowing orange. This was early in the morning when it was still dark, I like to take walks that early when I can, before anybody else gets to waking up. So about 4:30 or 5 in the morning I'd say. Anyway, that's why I was able to see it as clearly as I did.
When I first saw it, it sort of intrigued me and I stood in my driveway wondering what it could be. First thought was that it might be the moon setting down behind the house, but it was in front of the trees behind the house, too big to be the moon, and I've rarely seen the moon glow that color. Then I thought maybe they installed some weird solar panel radome thing to power their house and that's all it was. I stared and pondered it for a second and eventually shrugged and continued towards the road to get on with my walk.
But as soon as I stepped out onto the pavement, the road between my house and the neighbor's, an extremely bright light, like a spotlight, rapidly scanned the woods behind the neighbor's house and went out. It happened so quickly that it was almost a flash, except I plainly saw that rapid scanning motion. I jogged back up my slanted driveway to get a better look at my neighbor's roof again and that glowing dome that I had seen earlier was gone, along with that flash of light. I was too spooked to continue the walk and I went into the house after that.
>>344481609
Ironically enough, the game I posted is actually much closer to the Dream Quest stuff than Bloodborne really is. Though I agree there is influence there, and again, I'm not saying that Bloodborne isn't inspired by Lovecraft, I'm saying that it isn't exactly Lovecraftian. It's too brash, pulp and over the top for that. Great game though, and I'm not against it appearing in threads like these. I was just trying to explain why some fans of Lovecraft's work might take the offense that is often projected towards it.
Friendly reminder that Cthulhu was defeated by a Norwegian on a steamship.
>b-but he was just groggy
>h-he just hadn't had his morning chocolate milk yet
>>344481969
Well, any publication will do I guess. I just wanted all of his collected stories, think it only cost me $15-20.
After slogging through all of it, I was less than amazed. He really was a shitty writer.
Only story I thoroughly enjoyed was Herbert West: Reanimator.
Seriously, modern "cosmic horror" authors do better stuff. Check Laird Barron if you haven't.
>>344480984
Definitely Shadow Over Innsmouth or Colour Out of Space.
I've always thought Shadow Out of Time was quite underrated, really cool, crazy idea.
>>344482286
Friendly reminder that it helps if you actually read the story.
>>344482286
>he's never read the story
cthulhu was basically rolling over in his sleep and the steamboat put him back to sleep. If he actually woke up he would exterminate all of mankind.
>>344481282
For some reason there's two different names for this song
http://genius.com/Rudimentary-peni-twitch-lyrics
>>344482219
Now just elaborate on that, exaggerate some parts and add suspense, and you have a story that will blow the fuck out of anything written on /x/.
>>344482286
Literally no one cares.
Cthulhu isn't even the most interesting eldritch horror.
Stupid ass bat wing octopus motherfucker.
>>344481975
I hope you realize you're trying to teach a lit major.
To me, I don't know about you, the juxtaposition of existential angst, mental illness, surreal and disgusting monsters from outer space with incomprehensible intentions that without necessarily even intending to destroys the world, makes people mad, etc., etc. is sufficiently similar to what is most striking and original to me about Lovecraft for me to believe there is a connection. I can't prove this like you would a fact about natural science, but it seems unreasonable to me. If you disagree with me, that is fine and on you.
>>344482286
Actually, that ending was ambiguous, it was as it was incorporeal to begin with and re-forming as they got away. Also, the horror of Cthulhu isn't really its "power level", it's that we have an incomprehensible extraterrestrial being located on earth doing god knows what, worshiped by human and inhuman beings as some sort of conduit to much greater extraterrestrial beings that at best see us as ants, at worst an anthill to be crushed or toyed with.
>>344482708
>HURRR I'S A LIT MAYJUH
Stopped reading right there.
No one cares about you or your faggot majors.
>>344482364
Lovecrafts prose does get tiresome and his constant use of the unspeakable horror that can't be described really starts to grate when you read his stories consecutively. But I still love his stuff.
Whats some examples of Laird Barron's work? I'm up for some new reading material.
>>344474525
>it feels like written by a 12-yo looking to rake in those edge points.
Welcome to any Urobuchi work ever.
>>344482364
>Seriously, modern "cosmic horror" authors do better stuff.
Well, they have Lovecraft and other early 20th century writers to draw from, way better access to other books and resources, don't have to churn out stories for a pulp magazine to survive and lack Lovecraft's obsession with archaic language.
Any of you fuckers read Providence? Fucking best Lovecraft anything in years.
>>344482364
I actually really enjoyed the Rats in the Walls, and was expecting more stories of that caliber, but I was disappointed like you.
For Laird Barron, is there any particular order to read his stuff in? I was skimming through his works and Occultation caught my eye, I might start with that; if that's his best work, though, and it'd all be downhill from there, or it works best if it's read after another book, I'd like to know.
>>344482654
Well, if it increases the spook factor, I went into the house afterwards because I felt like I was being watched. I thought it oddly coincidental that whatever it was spazzed out as soon as I came within a certain distance of the house.
Thinking back on it now, I still get the feeling that whatever it was, it was performing surveillance of some sort. On a separate walk one morning, I saw an odd-looking airship fly overhead that flew too low and looked too elaborate to just be a plane. Makes me wonder about the kind of shit that goes on when everybody is asleep, and why.
>>344476009
>most of us dont think further than our next cheeseburger
This sounds like the opinion of a 15 year old with a typical unique snowflake complex. Try actually talking to people some time.
>>344482820
I don't get this complaint, Lovecraft described nearly all his creatures in deep detail
>mi-go
>elder things
>great race of yith
>deep ones
>cthulhu
>dagon
>gugs
All described in great detail. The only really totally undescribable thing was the colour out of space, which was really well done.
>>344482820
>>344482820
He has several short story collections that are pretty good.
The Imago Sequence, The Beautiful Thing That Awaits Us All and my personal favorite Occultation. He also has some stand alone novels but I'd suggest the anthologies to start with.
Although his novel "The Croning" is also top notch in my book.
>>344482819
Well, I'm not like you and people can just tell I have Asperger syndrome.
>>344464746
>Amygdala giving a thumbs up
>>344482956
It certainly makes up for Neomonicon and gets back to a similar level the courtyard was at.
>>344464746
what the FUCK is wrong with that thing's head?
>>344483212
I just read too many stories in a row that did it. I know it isn't representative of his whole work but it just annoyed me. Really shouldn't read them one after another.
>>344483103
>Occultation
That's the one that caught my eye and the first bit of his stuff that I read so yeah, I'd recommend it.
Avoid the shitty reviews on Barnes & Noble if you go there, it's just pussy ass fags whining about how perverse he gets.
>>344483212
I honestly think it is because Lovecraft was antiquarian down to the purple prose he used.
Some readers just gloss over his descriptions when they don't understand a term or allusion he's using instead of looking them up.
>>344482286
Cthulhu is weak.
What's the best compilation for his work? I'm tired of buying local translated compilations with stories that overlap between books.
Also any tips on importing books?
>>344482371
That was a pretty good story. The unconventional method of time travel is a neat concept
>>344483528
>perverse
I am all for horror getting perverse and shit, it just adds to it.
>>344483589
I'd say Necronomicon is your best bet.
It also goes into detail about his life at the end which is kinda neat.
>>344483653
the best horror is perverse and sexual, it makes it scarier. just look at h.r giger and silent hill
>>344483653
Exactly my sentiment anon, especially with Laird.
His imagery is beautiful in a disgusting way.
what are the ESSENTIAL Lovecraftian games from the last 15 years, /v/?
Quickly now, the thread will die soon
>>344462454
To be fair, to be fair.... everyone hates rednecks
>>344483985
They're all pretty shitty.
But Call of Cthulhu is probably the most faithful, and there's this little rogue-like fps dungeon crawler on Steam called Eldritch that is kinda neat.
>>344483824
It's a balancing act.
Sometimes I find that, when horror authors fetishize the horrific, it detracts form the horror rather than complimenting it.
>>344483824
>>344483924
Going to have to read some Laird then.
Which reminds me, where there any Lovecraft stories that were overtly sexual in any way. In particular a reflection of his apparent fear of sex?
>>344483814
This one? https://www.bookdepository.com/Necronomicon/9780575081567
Anybody got experience with book depository? Someone recommended it to me but I'm not used to importing stuff
Also, someone once posted about a story about humanity living inside some megacities while beasts awaited outside for their energy to run out in another thread a month or two ago and I forgot to write down the name. Wasn't by Lovecraft, but if you guys remember the title it would be helpful
>>344483538
>abnormally fungoid and cyclopean cock
>>344484308
I think he would have found himself too classy for that. The only even vaguely sexual element I can think of is crossbreeding in Shadow Over Innsmouth.
>>344484049
t. Person of large melanin quantities
>>344484368
>40 dollars
I bought that at a local book store for 20.
>This is a Japanese Shub-Niggurath
>>344484451
>this rednecks best argument is just a personal attack against someone whose probably white
>>344483653
>>344483824
Oh man, Barron's book The Croning has this bit where the family is just swapping ghost stories and it was literally the only time a book legit got me a little spooked it was so awesome that it made me all giddy.
I'm not usually one to gush, but Barron is the best horror writer I've ever come across personally and when I do get a good tingle from something it's a rarity, I've seen so many movies, read so many stories and played so many games in the genre and they do fuck all for me.
When something manages to creep me out I love it.
>>344474525
>interesting setting
What are you talking about the setting is just a typical school setting.
>ost is nice
It wasn't that good typical atmospheric stuff, nothing interesting.
>>344482276
you right you right.
>>344484446
Theres also the 'breeding' and incest in The Dunwich horror.
>>344484368
Yup, that's the one.
>>344484624
its /v/. to most of us, highschool was the last time we had friends. even those who didnt, atleast is was forced socialization.
>>344479808
It really did make that effort. Getting grabbed by that amygdala from the first time through a dimensional rift in that one ritual room, just felt like a Lovecraft scenario. Playing through the game for the first time now, and anybody says that this doesn't base its atmosphere on Lovecraft and his mythos are either idiots, trolls, or got tricked by the idiots and trolls.
>>344458803
What about Lovecraft and comedy?
>>344483985
I haven't played Eternal Darkness, but I heard it was pretty good.
Also not Lovecraftian per se, but check out Clive Barker's Undying
>>344483985
I don't know what we should consider essential, but here are a few recommendations, some more Lovecraftian than others:
-The Last Door Season 1&2
-The Vanishing of Ethan Carter
-Alone in the Dark (The Original)
-Shadow of the Comet
-Prisoner of Ice
-Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth
-The Lurking Horror
-The Hound of Shadow
-Anchorhead
-The Dark Eye (1995 adventure game)
-I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream
-The Black Mirror series
-Scratches
-Darkness Within parts 1&2
-Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
-Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened
-Chzo Mythos series
-Penumbra
-Amnesia: The Dark Descent
-The Consuming Shadow
-Eversion
-Sunless Sea
-Bloodborne
>>344480302
I wouldn't say the strogg are "generic aliens," but yes; they abandoned the whole lovecraftian thing in Quake 2.
>>344484624
I meant typical city setting. Fuck I have know idea why I typed school.
>>344484995
good game but not lovecraft in any way beyond having cthulhu as the main character
>>344484875
>tfw when you first pick up a stray item and read about references to madness imparted by sleeping Great Ones in your werewolves and vampires game
>tfw the Great Ones descend and the city goes straight to hell immediately in your werewolves and vampires game
>tfw you traverse dreamlands and meet people who exist only in dreams, and are dead in "real life" in your werewolves and vampires game
I felt like I just got tricked in the best possible way, beyond my wildest expectations
>>344484368
>>Also, someone once posted about a story about humanity living inside some megacities while beasts awaited outside for their energy to run out
Wish I knew, that sounds interesting.
>>344485207
I still can't believe they managed to hide it for so long before release. The only thing we saw that hinted at it was this amygdala >>344484875
And even then most people thought it was just some spider form of the curse or a convent leader.
>>344484995
The gameplay was nice and the OST was good, but as >>344485149 said it wasn't lovecraftian at all. The humor had its moments but sucked most of the time and art is shit.
>>344485105
Another text adventure I'd recommend is The King of Shreds and Patches.
Based more on Robert W. Chambers's King in Yellow than anything directly by Lovecraft, but the atmosphere is definitely there since Chambers was one of Lovecraft's influences.
Definitely worth a look. I really liked it myself.
One thing I find really fun and cool about Bloodborne is how it connects Lovecraft with Catholic themes and imagery is really interesting.
Showing freaky incomprehensible alien beings who impregnate women immaculately and preform miracles on people who worship them and commune by partaking in their blood with churches to them that basically control the town is a really cool and interesting way to show how christianity might look to an outsider.
>>344475034
>Saw Cleaver
>ever being shit
No anon, you're shit.
>>344480573
It was named after his childhood cat, Nigger.
>>344485916
he meant from a logical standpoint, retardus
>>344459168
Come now, you guys seriously didn't expect a redditor tumblrite SJW something-sexual 'whatever-they-invented' gender body-postivity Anti-GooglyGoots Feminist wouldn't post something like this if you had a Lovecraft thread?
And they said they don't exist in 4chan and they are boogeymen
>>344484564
>This is a Japanese Nyarlathotep
>>344485105
Thanks for this list. I played most of them but there's a few I didn't know about.
>>344485860
Miyazaki hates the Catholic Church and always likes to show catholic imagery in a negative/intimidating light
>>344486358
>>344484564
what is this?
>>344486398
I don't think he HATES them. Do you have a source for that?
>>344485207
That's what I'm really loving about Bloodborne. Where the Souls games were all about long-dead civilizations and the horrors that sprang from them, Bloodborne was about a civilization in the process of collapse. There's a stark difference even between evening and night. Really sunk in for me when I knocked on the door in Hemwick Charnel Lane and only heard the haunting scream of a woman who had completely given into madness. Tiny as that map was, the whole atmosphere of that place was deeply depressing. All hope was lost there and you knew it.
So what other games should I try?
I've already played Call of Cthulhu and Bloodborne. WHat else is there?
>>344486536
after 5 games the pattern is clear. I don't know what beef he's got with them, but it's obvious in his work
>>344486608
my nigger, hemwick is severely underrated.
on another note, a lot of people hate it but Nightmare of Mensis is probably my favorite area. The whole place is fucking insane and horrifying, and the crazy difficulty combined with how much mad shit is going on is terrifying.
>>344486532
first one is "The 'Sister' of the Woods With a Thousand Young or something". It was originally hentai.
second one is typical haremshit anime called Nyaruko san, if I remember correctly
>>344486608
>All hope was lost there and you knew it.
SHROUDED BY NIGHT, BUT WITH STEADY STRIDE
COLORED BY BLOOD, BUT ALWAYS CLEAR OF MIND
PROUD HUNTER OF THE CHURCH
BEASTS ARE A CURSE, AND A CURSE IS A SHACKLE
ONLY YE ARE THE TRUE BLADES OF THE CHURCH
>>344459963
nobody cares.
>>344486798
Can't wait to see it. I really didn't expect to love this game so much.
>>344486358
>This is a Japanese Nyarlathotep
I prefer this one.
>>344486798
>SO GUYS, I'VE GOT AN IDEA
>...what is it, Micolash?
>GUYS, WHAT IF
>WHAT IF, GUYS
>GUYS
>WHAT IF WE TOOK THIS DOG
>WE TAKE THIS DOG, UNDERSTAND
>AND WE GET THIS BIRD ALSO
>AND WE
>GUYS LISTEN, I'M SERIOUS
>AND WE SHOVE THE TWO TOGETHER
>REALLY, I MEAN IT! TAKE THE DOG HEAD AND PUT IT ON THE BIRD BODY
>OH, THE REMAINING PARTS? WE'LL COMBINE THOSE, TOO
>WELL GUYS? HUH??? HUH???????
>>344484564
>>344486358
Japanese people ruin everything with their cutesy bullshit.
I miss the old Japan, their culture used to be badass.
Thanks 'murica.
>>344486608
Motherfuckers went all out for this stuff. Those madwomen dancing had the dancing plague written all over it.
>>344484368
>>344485290
Anyone? Trying to get the source before the thread dies
>>344487332
Might try asking /lit/
>>344486735
It could just be a symbol of the Catholic missions that popped up around Japan way back when. I'd imagine Christianity of any kind would be a very strange concept to them.
>>344463220
Is Frogwares still developing their standalone Call of Cthulhu investigation game? It's a different game to the one by Cyanide Studio, right?
What other great authors would you like to see influence gaming more?
Pic related, his influence is rarely felt beyond Blade Runner trappings, and that in itself is a rather bastardized (though expertly so) adaption of his themes and ideas.
And though the man is most often seen as a Science Fiction author, his psychedelic, schizophrenic burn-out produced horrors that I'd say compare, or even surpass Lovecraft's.
>>344487263
>dancing plague
?
>>344466234
You can't roll in Bloodborne you fucking imbecile.
>>344486398
But It's obviously protestant imagery.
>>344487775
phillip k dick would make for mad inspo for a western visual novel
>>344464746
Finally somebody fucking gets it.
>b-but you can kill the cthulhus
Shut the fuck up, loser. In the broadest sense, all that you do is meaningless in the game, and you're still simply acting as a pawn in the hands of creatures you never even see or comprehend.
>>344487332
Wouldn't be The Slynx would it?
>>344487847
>huge cathedrals, centralized clergy structure, elaborate, expensive statues and murals of religious figures, elaborate rituals that invoke blood or food
>protestant imagery
"no"
>>344487775
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch is a pretty nice bridge between Dick's own style and Lovecraft's style.
>>344487796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania
A bizarre epidemic in 1518 where people all over the place started dancing and couldn't stop. Outbreaks were known to affect as many as thousands at a time. There's still debate over what exactly caused it, even among those who subscribe to the idea that it was entirely psychological.
>>344488098
>England
>>344487842
disable your lock-on dummy
you only quickstep while locked on, otherwise you fastroll
>>344488083
Looked it up now, and no it isn't. If I remember correctly the Earth was under eternal night and the energy of the cities would run out eventually. Some where already abandoned
>>344487842
Fucking kek yes you can. Goddamn hit circle while running and not locked on to anything. Have you really not done that?
>>344488323
oh, you mean the country that had multiple uprisings because it's population considered the Church of England "too Catholic?"
>>344488456
Because industrial england was catholic. This isn't the war of the fucking roses.
>>344488128
A Maze of Death also, such a bleak novel.
And then we have his often under read and rated short story stuff, which often goes beyond what you'll find in his mainline stuff. The Electric Ant for example, not his most terrifying, but the ending still haunts me.
The only thing that comes right to mind is Phantoon from Super Metroid. It's some sort of ghost-like entity whose eye is its entry-way into Samus's dimension. Naturally, you have to poke it out. In a later game (yes, that one) it returns and its colossal in size
>>344458803
https://www.revivalgame.com/
>>344488709
doesn't it returning also fuck with the timeline?
>>344488850
It returns in Other M which canonically takes place soon after Super Metroid, so I don't think so. You might be thinking of Nightmare; Samus's first encounter with Nightmare was retconned in Other Mand was probably what pissed me off the most about that game.
>>344484569
Its just that out of all the "trash" versions of races, rednecks are the least bad, but people like to bring them up if something brings up niggers people just go "yea but don't ya know REDNECKS"
If rednecks were 13% of the pop and made up 50% of crime they would have an argument, but another certain race takes the cake on that one.
>>344473812
What? I don't remember any mention of any globe-spanning epidemic. I was under the impression that you as a foreigner were coming to Yharnam to cure your own infections. Like a leper seeking asylum and treatment.
Comfy thread guys. Good night, and may the good blood guide your way.
>>344479451
This.
I was doing a course in retail (pretty much useless, but better than being a NEET) and I befriended a guy there. He bought me deadly premonition the mad cunt, and we talked and hung out whenever we where there. Basically we had to do some design type shit so I googled some eldritch art to use as my imagery and when I told the teacher what it was all about he starts quizzing me like a faggot about all lovecraft things. I don't have the resources to actually read all of lovecrafts works, so he starts talking shit about how I'm not a "real fan" cause I didn't know what inscribed on his tombstone. I didn't know there was required knowledge to be a fan of something, fuckboi
>>344489117
All I remember is that the events of Other M force either Other M to be noncanon, or the Prime Trilogy to be noncanon, and Nintendo's rolling with the latter
>its a "no one understands what Lovecraftian is " thread
I swear half of Lovecraft """""fans""""" never read a single story of his.
Which is a shame because his best stuff has nothing to do with le tentacle sea monster man.
>>344488813
Doesn't look that Lovecraftian, or like anything at all really.
>>344489269
>implying that I worship the Blood
insight4lyfe
Laurence was a fool
>>344489141
welcome to opinion land. define redneck. by wikis standards its poor white person. guess what, theres more poor white people in america then their are black people. to be a bit clearer, that means 38.9 million white americans at/or below the poverty line. the vast majority of crime is committed by the poor. so really, rednecks DO make up 13 percent of the population ( actually, its like 13. 4 percent, little higher then you said ) and they commit almost 50 percent of crime.
well then.
>>344479451
>>344489438
It's a form of cringing at people using words and concepts they know little about.
But by all means, Bloodborne is a great game, it's certainly "inspired" by Lovecraftian fiction, so why not go read some Lovecraft, actually learn what the fuzz is about?
>>344489596
>wanting to be seen by inferior beings
Are you insane?
>>344489557
Oh fuck off. People all over the thread are talking about the psychological horror that Lovecraft explored.
Been a comfy thread.
I swear, Lovecraft discussion on /v/ is the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xFqPuIfPM
>>344490201
>Great Ones
>inferior beings
>inferior
that's some serious fucking heresy, if I weren't busy contemplating the Cosmos in my lake-facing rocking chair I'd come slap the shit out of you. Expect the Hunters to pay you a visit and cleanse you of that beastly idiocy.
>>344490465
I was talking about the humans you idiot. Oh christ, don't tell me they let you faggots in here.
>>344466369
>>344466923
Yup..... id fuck it
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