Does /v/ like Ar Tonelico and Ar Nosurge?
> temco koei will never localize Ciel Nosurge
>>344441878
At least we have well made english lets play in youtube. Chapter 11 episode 5 was posted like 5 hours ago.
They're okay games.
>>344443127
Too bad you can't date anyone who isn't a reyvateil in AT.
>>344440930
I want to eat Ion
I want to impregnate Ion
>>344443309
Yeah. It's a shame.
>>344440930
I like the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgRKBot5bs
>>344440930
Ar Nosurge yes. Haven't played Tonelico games and propably never will.
The music is god tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8tiJ8oHfao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPghnoIpLCM
>>344443702
Why not? You are missing out. First two games are great.
>>344443702
At least listen to the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHPSok7oWf8
>>344443787
I only liked Ar Nosurge because of how it handled 4th wall breaking. I heard that this doesn't exist in Ar Tonelico games. So I have no reason to be interested in them.
>>344443476
>>344443947
Wait. You wouldn't happen to be that same anon who said sometime ago that he wanted to play Ar Nosugre because of that are you?
>>344443947
The 4rth wall breaking might not be present in AT, but the lore is still incredibly detailed, the music is good and the girls are cute.
Also wondering about >>344444112, and another thread where someone asked about games that used 4th wall breaking as a plot device and a bunch of anons recommended AnS, including me.
>>344444112
No, sorry. I played it about half a year ago.
Don't mind me, just posting best girl
Have you found ion guys?
>>344444294
Damn. Oh well.
>>344444313
I'm just gonna post two best girls instead.
>>344444363
I'm still looking for Nelo, and her route.;_;
>>344444313
Best ending song
Wish there was more. I'm getting a little tired of replaying 2, promising myself I'll pick a different route and then immediately breaking said promise and going for Jacqli again.
>>344444313
don't mind me, just seconding your great taste
Ion
is
CUTE
>>344444790
Indeed
Here's some Ar series OST links.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tCc3AmTTThLGYmA94zphSgSR_Z32edwcYB2Ie1xijws/edit?pref=2&pli=1
Ar Tonelico PLUS games on Vita never ever
Would you wear a pink I LOVE ION shirt?
>>344445036
So where these two lesbians or what?
>>344445207
I would wear a funbun shirt.
>>344444790Nelo is cuter.
>>344445029
>Chronos Materia never ever
>Surge Concerto is done
>Atelier is getting shittier every year, although the games are still enjoyable
>/u/ game was pretty shitty desu
Please make good games once again, GUST.
>>344445247
Bisexuals.
>>344445247
Maybe.
I kind of feel bad for Cass. She isn't half bad but she'll always be overshadowed by Ion.
>>344445501
And canonically cucked by Shurelia.
>could make a game about rebuilding ar ciel
>wont
played through all AT routes again and I'm stuck on 3. Eventually I'll clear it again but wow they fucked the gameplay pretty hard on that one
still i am sad it is more or less dead
Reminder not to trust Shurelia. She will steal you away from your waifu.
>>344445686
But Anon, Shurelia IS my waifu!
>>344445686
Tone Arlico on Vita when?
But Shurelia doesn't have reproductive organs does she
Posting worst girl
>>344445618
That's only canon if you were an ass and forced Delta to stay.
>>344444790
She's utterly precious.
>>344445912
Didn't mean to quote
>>344445993
She does, and you can even creampie her without fear of her getting pregnant, unlike what would happen if you came inside Mir or Tyria.
This was so hot
>>344446021I legitimately think she gets too much hate and her route was the second best in the game, Cloche was far worse as an heroine and didn't have as much good chemistry with Croix as Luca did.
>>344446304
>>344446304
I hope you guys kept Ion as sadist during your playtrough
I'm here to remind that these two songs exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh5vyvMGhqE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu9TA8myhC0
>>344446797
Autism song fitting for a retarded and autistic heroine.Mute was cute, though. At least in her true form.
>>344446595
What did she mean by this?
Question to Ar Nosurge players. I know M/S axis has impact on how Ion(and Cass too?) respond during battles but does Introvert/Extrovert axis do anything? I never noticed any differences but maybe I just never crossed to line with either characters.
Just a reminder that latest version of Ar Tonelico 2 fantranslation patch added hard mode in the game, not to mention lot of other fixes too. Another reason to go for it again?
>Hard Mode has been added. This features the following:
>All enemy stats have been increased.
>Some enemy attack patterns have been adjusted.
>The guard timing leniency given by the Guard+ family of Girl Power skills that some >IPDs bestow has been reduced.
>The boost given by Replekia to Song Magic has been greatly reduced.
>>344448039
I guess it's time to do Luca's route again, this sounds pretty fun.
>>344448664
I'dpetthat cat
>>344448986She already has a boyfriend, dude.
>>344448664
cut cat ears off.
>>344448558
Going to do Cloche route myself this time. Some IPD cases already gave me high blood pressure considering how hard they hit. Gonna be "fun" this time.
>>344449284
I'm sure he is willing to share
>>344449328
Disgusting. Why would you say that?
>>344449471
Only with another girl.Or if you look like a trap, probably.
>>344449579
What is Shirotaka looking at?
>>344449584
If I can't express my affection towards her, the world might be in danger. His own words, not mine. He will understand.
>>344449790
The lack of ass
Just posting here to say that the progress on getting Musical and Visual Collections completely done is still being made, albeit at snail's speed.
I won't be able to finish them this summer, but they will be completed soon.
>>344440930
I'm loving Ar Nosurge.
Bought it last sale and no regrets so far.
Never really put more than 2 hours in the previous Ar Tonelico games though.
Why is Kanon so lewd andsecond best?
>>344450641
Hey.
>>344450348
Are you that anon from Gust thread in /jp/?
>>344450641
Ar Nosurge was for me a game that just kept on getting better the more you played it. I hope you enjoy it all as well.
>>344450815
Yes I am.
>>344451005
I'd buy you a beer for what you do.
>>344450762
Yo aceman
You like this series too huh
>>344450848
I like the game but I honestly cant really understand why yet. I mean I like the OST, the characters, and dialogues, but theres still a lot of confusing stuff that I dont get. I guess I should have played the previous games first after all.
>>344446727I made her a hard Masochist instead
>>344451619
Play first two AT games at least.
>>344451619
Yeah kinda.
>>344451619
>but theres still a lot of confusing stuff that I dont get
The game starts to give bunch of info about past events eventually. It's enough to get you trough the game.
Now that I've been following Ciel Nosurge in English I'd recommend checking it firstIt's not finished yetor at least reading a synopsis of Ciel's events. But Ar is very much enjoyable even without it.
>>344443702
>>344443947
You suck, shittard.
>>344451632
Buddy.
>>344446504
Luca's good, but Cloche is more sympathetic as a character.
>>344448039
Not only that, they also reimplemented a bunch of deleted lines, texts and events.
>>344453914
bitch
>>344448039
Do my old saves work with new patch?
>>344454652
They do, but you'll miss out several of the events they readded if you don't start the game from the beginning.
>>344454410
Harsh.
>>344440930
Great music wasted on shit games
>>344456587
You are the shit here, not these games. And the music means nothing without the games it's tied to.
Started AT2 now with that new hardmode patch. I guess I'm going to get my ass kicked this time.
>>344456928
Have fun.
>>344456587
that only applies to AT3 anon, 1 was fine, 2 was great. Ar series was just fine, though i cant say i was overly fond of the combat after awhile, dont know why they didnt just improve AT2's combat mechanics
>>344457174
Considering AT3 integrated its setting into it's plotline and characterization better than AT1 I don't see what makes it shit. And its combat was lackluster but not terrible.
Plus, that stupid tendency of people calling it the "Ar" series when Ciel nosurge's own title already kills that naming.
>tfw another ar tonelico thread that barely might get past hundred replies
Why cant atelier shit die already and Akira Tsuchiya finally giving us new Exa pico universe game?
>>344458378
Because Gust dies if Atelier dies.
>>344458167
combat's the one major thing, along with how it messed with song magic. But beyond that the characters felt like a step down from 2, ive liked the primary cast in both the previous at games but 3 just wasnt doing it for me. The backtracking, which all the AT's were guilty of was the worst its been in 3, ontop of the major backtrack beign in the tower which was honestly the worst of the 3 towers, AT1 having the best.
It was just a step down from both ATs, specially after 2 improved on almost everything 1 did. As fro Ar i just us that name as its the one most people are familiar with, Ciel series would be a better term probably, but, most never got Ciel so, what can you do.
>>344458882
The characters and story were still a step up from AT1's cast and story in complexity, as well as the Cosmospheres. As for backtracking, AT2 was the worst due to it's smaller world, and it's Tower is in-setting useless beyond housing Pastalia and even more incomplete than Sol Cluster's one.
And that wouldn't work because the only proper way to call them is either through the individual series' names (Ar tonelico and Surge Concerto) or by the name of the universe they are set in (Exa Pico). All other ways are no more than misnomers.
>>344458167
>Considering AT3 integrated its setting into it's plotline and characterization better than AT1
Yet you failed to mention how both plotline and characterization were considerably worse in AT3, regardless of that.
>>344459596
ill disagree on characters as i found both saki an finnel irritating but that's personal preference and i guess its balanced out by not having another lyner protag. Story was a step down to me, though cosmospheres was one thing that i felt they continually improved on, but that gets hampered by how bad the combat is, i played both AT 1/2 numerous times, but i only finished 3 twice, and i cant even count the 2nd as i loaded an earlier save for that one. I just couldnt get into the combat, its slow, incredibly basic, the vanguards were nerfed into being almost pointless beyond blocking. And the purge system in general was just unecessary, it just bogs the whole thing down anon, you cant argue you that.
vita ports of AT1 and 2 when?
Every time thread about these games is made, people start arguing about ar tonelico 3. I don't mind though. Keep bumping.
>>344446304
it got better later
>>344460284
Wrong. AT1 was the worst in these aspects and all because Gust hadn't found yet how they wanted properly to portray the themes for it. For example, Lyner dropping off Misha in the Chronicle or having to kill Mir in battle to redeem her, in a way exactly the same as in the bad ending. Even Tsuchiya himself admitted publicly about the writing flubs he made in AT1.
>>344460636
It's amusing.
>>344460636
its easier to criticize then compliment anon, and at3 is a whole mess of problems after 2 set the bar higher, 1 gets a minor pass cause it was basically a test game, they didnt know if it would succeed or fail
>>344460516
I found the story slightly lesser than 2's, but a large improvement over 1's and a worthy finale for the series, not to mention how it also leads into the epilogue novels. As for the combat, AT1 had these same flaws until the endgame, as the series has never about the vanguards being the main offensive in the party: it's always the songstresses, and the battle systems are always made to reflect that. Also, it's pretty telling that Tsuchiya himself considers AT3's combat the closest one to his idea of how the battles are in-universe.
>>344461279
>Tsuchiya himself considers AT3's combat the closest one to his idea of how the battles are in-universe
I hated that stupid as shit stripping gimmick in AT3. I really hope it doesnt return in later games, if those ever happen.
>>344461279
even in 1 the vangaurds did alright damage, in 3 they are virtually useless outside of wasting burst on specials, which is usually a mistake. 2 was sort of a balance, and 3 went in reverse.
outside of purge i dont mind the idea of the system, i see where he was going with it, and with some improvements it could have even been good, but as it was, it was just too simple, which when fights can last quite awhile depending on difficulty, that slow simplicity gets really really dull.
>>344460516
The issues with 3 go beyond only having one good girl (or two, if you count Akane) and the shitty combat. The personae actually took away some important space and budget for character development, especially in the cosmospheres (basically, only three cosmosphere levels for the main heroines, filled with another bunch of varyingly irrelevant cosmosphere levels for a bunch of characters that don't appear much in the actual game's story), phase 1 and 2 of the story weren't too exiting, as they were in either AT1 or 2, and the side characters (aside from Akane) were too lacking in personality to be memorable. Even Jack and Krusche were more memorable on their own and had more development than the entirety of AT3's cast, except for a few (and this is including both heroines and Aoto himself).
Other than that, the tower didn't feel nearly as wondrous or inspired as the other two, Tsuchiya's attempts at comedy hit a record low, and the purge scenes, while not bad in concept, felt like a cheap excuse to replace the costume system that fell flat on its face.
>>344460785
Yet for all its flaws AT1 was both a pretty good twist on what would be a generic JRPG on its own and a nice start for the series. The overall theme of AT is pretty hammy anyways and was only well portrayed in AT2 (if we exclude AnS), and IIRC Lyner didn't really kill Mir in the good ending, he just fought her and tore apart her outer shell, which is different.
AT3 commits many more sins when it comes to its writing, from Saki's dumb drama and entire character (her route is really the worst in the entire series) to the largely unsatisfactory ending, at least in execution. But the credits song redeemed that last part, I guess.
I mean, AT3 is still worth playing if you enjoyed the series, but it's legitimately the worst one out of the entire bunch. Cocona became a slut, Aoto could've been a much better main character and the heroines were pretty trashy, Tyria aside.
>>344461908
even Tyria was doomed just because she had to follow up Mir as "Best 3rd girl"
>>344461602
The Purging wasn't part of the idea and was included just as a joke, similarly to how they added the Dualstall system from 2. And in any case, post-AT3 the stripping becomes useless due to the Wills returning to the Planetary Core.
>>344462080
At least she set the rule that third reyvateils are always the best girls.
I forgot to mention, at least the DLC for AT3 was pretty fun.
>>344461908
Mute, Katene, Gojo and Richa were also well-developed and had quite a lot of personality.
For the Tower, that's just your opinion, and again it's a lot better compared to Metafalss' own Tower, whose only significant part would be Sol Marta.
And you're missing the point of what I said with Mir: the ending changes, but the fight with her proceeds the same way regardless, while with Ciela in AT3 you're given a unique song magic and are forbidden from attacking her lest you want to get wrecked in vain.
And with just hating on Saki, saying the ending is unsatisfactory despite giving a future to their dying world, saying Aoto and the heroines are trash, and calling Cocina a slut for no reason, your opinion becomes meaningless to me. All of that is no more than a bunch of ignorant bullshit.
>>344461908
>from Saki's dumb drama and entire character (her route is really the worst in the entire series
That's quite something.
>>344463175
Or does it come from people unable to understand her? Her whole conflict isn't bared out in her Cosmosphere, but in her normal ending and the song that comes with it.
>>344463450
Shit man. I can't answer that.
I'll be straight honest I never really bothered to play AT 3. Admittedly a good part of it is simply because of it's gameplay. I don't mind ARPG's but AT 3's battle system looked like it could get real old real fast. Not trying to hate or anything.
>>344462897
I'll concede Mute and maybe Gojo, but Richa was undoubtedly under-developed considering how her arc played out and Katene was just there to give Mute a non-gay lover.
I liked Metafalss as a setting more, as it wasn't a nice place in the least and the struggle for life in the shithole was something you generally don't see in these types of games. It made certain characters' actions much more relatable, and the Infelsphere was more interesting than anything in AT3. I also think Metafalss has the most interesting history out of all three towers, and AT2's complementary materials do a good job of summing everything up.
I'll concede that despite all the Ciela fight in AT3 was a high point, but it was still underdeveloped and underwhelming, but I suppose that has more to do with the budget these games are given. Still, I would've enjoyed a better ending more, and while the world was saved through the power of love and understanding and yadda yadda it still could've managed to do more with what they were given. Imagine, for example, if both Shurelia, Mir and Frelia showed up during phase 3 in order to fix the problem once and for all, and helped the main party. I wanted a really gratifying conclusion for this series, dammit, but as it stands the credits song really was the best part of it.
Aoto wasn't trash, but he was on the same level as Lyner, maybe a tad less dense. The heroines, however...I guess Finnel wasn't entirely bad, but I seriously can't comprehend how anyone plays through Saki's story arc and says "yep, this is fine and really engaging!", because it fucking isn't.
>calling Cocona a slut for no reason
Learn to take a joke, come on. And need I remind you of her ending in AT2 (which would be at least partly canon, since it directly implies Cocona travels off to Sol Cluster, and then her ending in AT3?
>>344463871
You could just put in easy and blow through everything. After all, you're missing out on the (pre-)finale to the series.
>>344463871
not him but i would say its worth atleast 1 playthrough, bad combat aside while personally feeling the weakest of the 3 it is still a good game and does wrap up the story nicely enough.
>>344464206
>>344464210
Fine. I'll make a note of at least trying to play it in the future.
>>344464441
just do what anon said and keep it on easy and blow through everything, its not worth the hassle and the fights wont take very long, and once you can craft the item that removes encounters you're golden for the most part
>>344464185
Richa was manipulated into serving Archia after she saw her whole squad killed before her eyes, and Katene had to stop looking just at his research stuff and look beyond Mute's appearance to actually marry her.
And Sol Cluster was nice, what with Clustania and the Antibodies routinely destroying and massacring everything?
And how would have Mir and the other Origins go there without the repeater satellites and two of them not even knowing anything about the Third Tower? And if you want so much of an all-star gathering, just go read the novels already.
As for Saki, that's called being able to empathize with something as simple as not wanting to die without leaving a mark in the world, something impossible for her due to being a secret experimental subject that won't leave behind even a body after dying.
And anyway, there's strong indication that AT2's canonical ending is Luca's, and Cocona travels to Sol Cluster in all endings, all of which makes your joke even more out of place.
>>344464624
Thanks.
I was playing Ar Tonelico II right now.
Didn't know that the game suffer so much with bad translation.
>>344465310
That's why no one plays the vanilla version anymore.
>>344465561
I only knew the existence of relocalization right now.
>>344465310
theres a reason people play the fan translation and why there was one at all for a game already translated. NISA took some real nice liberties with the script ontop of leaving their usual typos, some lines being completely out of place, and game breaking bugs.
It was just a bad job all around
> No Luca copypasta.
>>344465041
I hope you realize I'm talking more about the overall execution and weight given to the writing in the individual games, rather than whether certain events happened or not. Richa's entire subplot was handled horribly in terms of pacing, and the way it was written didn't exploit the concept fully. And Katene was legitimately forgettable.
I wasn't stating Sol Cluster was nice, but it still wasn't the shithole Metafalss was. Humans managed to fend off the Clustania/Antibody invasions relatively well, and the game's tone didn't make enough of an issue on these points to make the place feel as dangerous as it could've been. In the first phase of AT2 you see just how depressing Metafalss is as a place, and how that enviroment shaped and drives each character in the game.
I'm pretty sure Mir knows about the location of the third tower, since she's the one that tells Cocona to go to Sol Cluster.
Saki's ideas for leaving a mark in the world were...reading and making picture books. That alone tells you how hard it is for any normal person to sympathize for what is, in all accounts, a fucking retard.
>all of which makes your joke even more out of place
It's a /jp/ meme, you dip.aquagon, is that you?
>>344465883
I dare you to call her a____, nigger. I double dare you.
>>344466746
a wasted slot once Mir gets added to the roster?
>>344465905
Except that the only ones actually fending these invasions off were the Archians, and only because they could manipulate the Clustanians into submission for some time by deleting their Cosmospheres. And the Archians weren't really the best ones either between the implementation of their retarded Human Evolution Project and the horrible experiments they carried out for that end, as well as the ousting of the factions that didn't agree with that project, all of which also shaped the characters of Gojo, Aoto, Akane, Richa, Katene, Mute, Saki and Finnel in a way or another. And similarly, AT3 showed how badly things went during the first phases between having to obey the Clustanians, the infighting between the human factions and also having to deal with stuff like the Border Disease and the monsters.
Mir might know about where the Tower is, but how is she going to get there without a repeater satellite for Ar tonelico? None of these existed before Sasha invented them after the game, and Mir herself was already pretty busy settling pending business in Sol Ciel after AT2 ended, all of which why she entrusted that mission to Cocona.
And what else is Saki supposed to do if she was only created to be a disposable vaccine? She has nothing special to her aside of her EXEC_FLIP/. (aka miracle) power and technical specifications as a Gamma, so creating these picture books was the only way for the people she loved: her students and Aoto, to remember her after she died. That's also the whole point of the little story she made during the game and the feelings within Sands of Time, and why she changed the story's ending from a happy one to a sad one: because until Tyria solved her lifespan problem, she knew she wouldn't be able to be with anyone for a long time.
>>344467003
Unless you're playing Luca's route. By the endgame, it's better to have her and Cloche in the party to exploit her high-level songs and Replekia.
>>344467126
i had always just assumed mir/cloches combo songs did better damage and all of mir's songs were high power, end-game fights took 30 seconds anyway. Maybe ill care to notice with this hard mode patch
>>344467021
And to make this conversation go full circle, I'll just state the following: Sol Ciel had similar issues in both survivability of its characters and the lives they led up to the point where the game starts, and AT1 didn't touch upon them well. AT3 suffers from this same flaw.
The Clustanians, for being (by all accounts) the villains for almost the entirety of the game didn't get neither enough development on-screen nor villanous characters to drive the point home. The Border Disease was barely touched upon, at least until you got to that one part in Saki's route that was so badly written it couldn't be more than just cheap melodrama. At least Finnel's route dealt with it a tad better, even if it meant just tossing the whole thing aside.
>so creating these picture books was the only way for the people she loved: her students and Aoto, to remember her after she died. That's also the whole point of the little story she made during the game and the feelings within Sands of Time, and why she changed the story's ending from a happy one to a sad one: because until Tyria solved her lifespan problem, she knew she wouldn't be able to be with anyone for a long time.
I'm aware of this. It was handled terribly. Saki's entire character was handled terribly, from cosmosphere to her interactions with the main party in the story and synthesis events. I think her flaws as a heroine can be attributed to a few characterization issues, but I'll just summarize it: heroines that willingly act retarded aren't particularly engaging, and the jarring disconnection between her poorly handled melodrama throughout the entirety of her route (come on, Tyria's lifespan issue and Finnel's personal and inner conflicts were both handled better in the same game) and her personality and interactions made for a pretty unengaging character overall. It's not about not understanding her issues, it's that her issues are presented and developed upon in the worst way possible.
>>344468374
Since this post hit the character limit but I wanted to add an extra thought, here it is:
People consider Aurica the worst character in AT1 for a reason, and her route plays out in ways pretty similar to Saki's. An useless cunt whining and bitching without amounting to much really doesn't make for an engaging heroine, especially in Ar tonelico.
However, at least Aurica had a little bit more snark and sarcasm in her character, and her cosmosphere gave you a wider view of her personal issues. They were petty, but they had more time to develop, and by the end of her route against all odds I still found her relatively likeable.
Saki doesn't share any of those benefits. She's stupidly naive for most of the game, her chemistry with Aoto felt incredibly forced, and add to that the most melodramatic route in the history of the series and you end up with a bad taste in your mouth, especially when even similar characters years ago were handled better by Tsuchiya. Saki felt like a need to capitalize on pure moefags and then they crashed and burned that ship throughout the middle harder than most anime flops.
I suppose I'll leave it at that, and if you liked Saki, more power to you, dude. Luca is legitimately one of my favorite heroines in the series, so I suppose I can't say much.
>>344468374
Nothing of what you're saying about Sol Ciel is true though. The virus attacks were restricted to Platina and were apparently very rare prior to Mir awakening when AT1 started. Similarly, between having hydroponics farms for the areas nested in the Tower, and lots of natural land in the Wings of Horus and in the Terraced Fields, the region didn't have any problems when it came to food and water, so I don't see how the environment impacted on the characters in the same way it did for AT2 and AT3. If anything, the only problems came from Bourd and Falss being dicks and ruining Misha's and Aurica's lives.
And I don't see how they were lacking in villainy: we had sight of them threatening to burn Aoto's village to the ground, destroying Fallen Heaven Peak, and even we got inside the Slave District and saw what happened to those who underwent the Cleansing process. Even Akane herself seemed completely ruthless before she turned around to help the party for Finnel's sake, and that's to not say anything about Shitframe and Ayatane.
And when you call one of the most moving scenes in the game cheap melodrama, and show a complete inability to empathize with one of the heroines because you hate her in all aspects (hell, the only thing you have left to badmouth are her songs and the feelings they contain) for no reason, I see that talking to you any further is a complete waste of time.
>>344469356
i think the people who dislike aurica never did her side, even within her route shes not great, but she gets developed well enough that i found her alright.Cloche still best of all the girl though, but i feel for you luca anon
>>344469585
>And when you call one of the most moving scenes in the game cheap melodrama
AT3 was solely lacking in moving scenes, overall. And I say this as a fan of the series that read complementary material as soon as it was translated, certain scenes should've had more weight to me but the whole emotional investment was...lacking. I don't know exactly what I could attribute to this other than the very vague statement of "poor writing", but I really felt that was the case. Yes, that includes how the Border Disease scene was handled during Saki's route. That said, Akane was probably the best character from the game, due to how her entire arc was handled. From relatively ruthless to goddess of love, she should've had more than just one slightly romantic scene towards the end of the game.
>I see that talking to you any further is a complete waste of time.
You're arguing on the internet about fiction, that in itself is a complete waste of time. Get off your high horse.It really is you, isn't it, aqua?
>>344469749
I think what hurt the public concensus on both Aurica and Luca was that the scenes right before their routes didn't paint them as the most appealing of heroines, and they had good competition. But in Luca's case, her route was really rewarding, and I think the only ones that ever come close were Jacqli's and Ion's story arc in Ar nosurge.
>>344469356
Yet Aurica had very good reasons to be like that, and if you have never suffered from depression and anxiety, I'm afraid you have no right to be saying someone is an useless whiner, especially when these issues and trauma she had aren't as petty as you make them seem.
And while some are so enamored with Misha that they call all other heroines in the series as shit (Luca being especially hit hard as a consequence that), that also makes them unable to see she's also a liar and hypocrite ("I have to sing forever" vs "only has to sing about 30 to 60 years of her 150 year-long life", "I'm the 31th Star Singer" vs "chronologically there's not enough time for there to be even 15 Star Singers generations", and "I have to be a drama queen or Lyner won't pay me attention anymore!"), not to mention her character development is near inexistent. Shurelia is not even worth mentioning here because while she develops slightly in the game, it's easy to overlook that because they decided to leave the bulk of her development for the light novels and similar stuff.
>>344470485
That sounds about right, least from memory if you just ignore luca she's basically painted a bitch, and if you ignore aurica, she's just a petty depressed girl who gets "better" when you meet up with her again on misha side
>>344458378
Because Atelier is far superior.
>>344470650
>and if you have never suffered from depression and anxiety, I'm afraid you have no right to be saying someone is an useless whiner, especially when these issues and trauma she had aren't as petty as you make them seem.I think I just projected on her too hard since I went through similar anxiety and depression during a part of my life. I was a really shitty NEET, and I'm far too self-conscious for my own good. As I said, though, I did like Aurica nonetheless.
>>344472418
In your dreams. Atelier has better gameplay in average, but pales in all other fronts when compared to Exa Pico.
>>344473534
I genuinely enjoy both for very different reasons.
I wish GUST would do more than just Atelier nowadays, though.
>>344473759
>I wish GUST would do more than just Atelier nowadays, though.
It's what makes Gust money. They can't just stop anon.
>>344473759
sadly theyll only branch if atelier falls below whatever they deem comfortable, though with GUST no longer being its own group i dont know if even that will make them branch
>>344474064
Assuming that doesn't prompt TK to get rid of them.
>>344474237
that too. Its really a shame, the MK/AT period was pretty nice the atelier shot back up and welp dont need these side series anymore
>>344474018
>>344474064
Kind of sad they cancelled Chronos Materia, to be honest.
>want to play Ar No Surge
>Have to chug through 3 Ar Tonelico games to not miss out on a bunch of shit
>Theyre like 80 hours a pop
>>344475053
technically better off reading/watching the playthrough of ciel, as thats where a lot of your missing lore will be from, Ar is a "prequel" series, a distant prequel at that, it only sets shit up way in the future where AT starts up.
>Can only communicate through some dimensional mumbo jumbo
>Can't touch the girl you fell in love with
>your friends will never know your true face
>they will never shake your real hand or hug you
>will never feel your warmth nor you will feel theirs
>There's a 99% chance that you will never meet the girl you protected for so many years
>the transceiver ceases to function ad communication is impossible
>you will only be remembered as a machine
Being Earthes is fucking painful.
>waking up to an AT thread filled with AT3 bickering
Just switch on Easy mode and plow through the game. Nobody plays on Hard mode in a JRPG build around everything except combat.
>>344475225
>Localize Surge
>Dont localize Ciel
>Contains a lot of lore for Surge
???
>>344476082
Blame KT. For whatever reason they chose not to do it.
>>344476082
I didnt say it was a smart idea, but that's how it is. No goldfish simulator for us
>>344475668
I plowed through AT3 on Hard. Only tough parts are the fight right in the beginning both MYU fights and the Ar Ru fights.
>>344475393
I really wanted to see how the new Ra Ciela and it's people are doing in the far future.
I think it would be better if they don't know who we really are.
Think about it, if they found out that their savior / god is a bitter as fuck NEET, how do you think they'd react?
>>344469356
>her chemistry with Aoto felt incredibly forced, and add to that the most melodramatic route
This. The story shoves her down your throat at every Act and it get's tiring. Heck, Sakia should just replace her entirely. It's criminal how little time the players have to interact with the last personae thanks to being locked behind True Ending Route/CS Lv7.
>>344476223
>No goldfish simulator for us
but shes such a pretty goldfish
>>344476802
Too bad.
>>344443668
I want topunchIon andgive herbodyback to Nay.
>>344476631
And that wouldn't have worked because Sakia doesn't want to ever appear in the real world if it isn't for protecting Saki. In fact, it's said Saki leaving her body would have caused her irreparable trauma.
>>344476802
not pretty enough to translate tons of dialogue with no appeal to most people just to make a more likely to sell sequel make real sense, but dont worry anon, KT said you could play urge without having played Ciel and be just finelying cunts
>>344476901
thats mean
she neverasked for it
>>344476901
Fuck you. It's not like she was to blame for that bastard Revelt's actions.
I wonder, how many people know that Ion had to choose between letting herself be killed or have her soul ripped out from her body when she used the machine that summoned her to Ra Ciela, and only did so as a last resort despite knowing what the machine would do?
Been meaning to grab Ar Nosurge on my Vita. Need a bigger memory stick for it tho.
In the mean time I'll emulate the PS2 games.
>>344477687
I hope you didn't miss out on last week's sale.
>>344478263
I did. I'll wait until it goes on sale again.
