Zero Time Dilemma
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Complex Mind hacks
>>344354210
more?
>>344354317
what do you mean?
>there are people on this board RIGHT NOW who haven't played the ZE games in this order: 999>VLR>ZTD
Who would do this?
>>344354210
Source?Is this porn?
>>344354317
>>344354893
OP DELETE YOUR IMAGE. YOU'VE ATTRACTED FURFAGS TO THIS THREAD
>>344354210
POST MOAR
>>344354703
>not playing in chronological order
999 > ZTD > VLR
>>344354407
Kek.
>>344354210
.. Does the rabbit get fucked?
>>344354210
i wanna fuck that bunny
>>344354210
Good job OP
Good fucking job
>>344354407
I'm reasonably confident Carlos is either gay or incestuous. Or bi and both.
>>344354210
sauce?
>>344354407
>mfw I thought Asshole Carlos was Carlos being possessed by Zero
Then I got disappointed when it turned out that it was just an act.
>>344356170
well, you see, when a man and a wop wop wop doot de doo de doot de doo, do doo doo doot de doo deet doo...
I'm only here for the funposting and memes.
>thought zero was going to be Diana via transporter
>>344354210
source
>>344356578
What? Why? It's not like Zero was sucking their dicks every time they fainted.
>the rabbit has the most porn
life is simply unfair
>tfw reddit finally did something right
https://vid.me/Nfyn
>>344357312
it's the only unique looking character in the franchise
>>344357362
pretty good
>>344357558
nigger, that's a rabbit.
https://twitter.com/trintran/status/751606253940453380
Is Trinen a ZE fan
>>344354317
>>344354893https://e621.net/post/show/480119/3_toes-balls-bottomless-clothed-clothing-cum-cum_o
>>344357362
>browsing Reddit
You need to leave, like now.
>>344357627
a well dressed rabbit with nice tatoos
How the hell do I get Q teams force quit box solved I've done everything I have no more ? marks on anywhere in the flowchart besides the left most line.
How and where do I get the password for the cover?
>>344357861
Not all of reddit is bad to be honest man. It's a good place to go for some content when I'm bored. Got tired of just coming to this autism filled place for years.
>>344357897
Get all execution cutscenes. Re-do the execution vote from C to Q to D with the intention to execute a specific team each time until you unlock all of them.
Why do we not have an image macro for this yet?
>>344358248
More like why should you have to RE-do that part? I made note of Q team's secret door the first time, but couldn't progress until I saw their execution scene again, even though I was waiting all game to see where it led
>>344358248
The thing is that I have I have unlocked literally everything the only things I have left are "who is zero" and a fourth option for the 3 way stand off. That's it everything else besides the left line is cleared
>>344358142
I remember when people said redditors on 4chan was a myth.
>>344358142
there's people who browse reddit and then there are Redditors
don't worry about the anon you replied to
>>344358474
You should know who Zero is
>>344358474
Then you should have gotten C ending, which means you know who Zero is.
>>344358474
I know, and it's weird, but you really do have to see the executions again. As for those two options, try inputting literally every single character in the game. No matter how big or small they are.
>>344358615
>>344358714
So I put inDelta and the old guy just stood up did I miss something or are they going to explain this shit?
>>344358784
>No matter how big or small they are
Might as well tell him that Zero is Gab.
>>344358983
Congratulations, you have entered the endgame of Zero Time Dilemma. Now leave immediately or face spoilers.
>>344358983
just play the game
>>344358983
No explanations. It was 2complex4u.
>>344358983COMPLEXCome back when you finish the game and someone can post the macro with all the hints.
>>344358983
You've reached the best part of the game. Godspeed.
clover is best girl
>>344358983
Did anyone else worry that they were supposed to know he was there all along? I panicked a bit.
Explain this shit please :
After the execution vote, a recording from Zero starts and says that "the amnesia drug will not be injected into the THREE of you"
Why the fuck didn't Q-Team go "wait there are 4 of us, wtf?"
>>344359261
Kinda. I didn't expect it was gonna be adeaf blind old man that looks totally evil and fits brother's description tho.
>>344359239
>there are people that still pretend Clover didn't dress like a whore in the first game
Friendly reminder that Clover's exactly the same in both 999 and VLR.
>>344359261
While the camera planned up to his face I had to pause to think about if I accidentally sequence broke it.
>>344359261
Yeah I thought I missed a huge ass part of the game because of that. Also felt like I missed something because they didn't really outright say delta=zero and I guessed it was him.
>>344359460
Why do you think Eric bullies the brat? Because he is mentally ill or something?
>>344359460
They probably thought it for a split second but then forgot.
>>344359574
>they didn't really outright say delta=zero
>I AM AMONG YOU
>I HAVE A SISTER
>TOGETHER WE ARE TEN
>D-E-L-T-A
>>344359697
but they wouldn't forget it though
>>344359460
because Q is deaf, blind, and paralyzed so they probably thought he was the one not being injected
>>344359727
Yeah, that is not outright saying it.
>>344359460
>three of us...
>me, Mira, and myself...
>it must be THAT GODDAMN BRAT WHO WON'T BE INJECTED
Also it'd be useless to inject Sean anyways.
>>344359727
That's not outright my man. I just pieced it together from what he said.
>>344359815
Oh, I read it as "now". Hmm, then I don't know. You sure he says it like that?
>>344359881
Poor Eric is the only one actually getting doped up on Q team
Why are you guys not watching Uchikoshi masterpiece on SGDQ?
>>344359826
>>344359881
Why are you talking about like only one was gonna be injected
It's three of them are not being injected so that they can remember who they voted for
>>344360228
I am.
>tfw the guy who didn't know about meme fields, shifting, and nonary games was the first to figure out Zero' identity
And people call Carlos dumb.
So, why I don't see people talking how Uchikoshi mentioned Back to the Future to explain time travel in-game?
It was a nice reference.
>>344360404
>why I don't
Because you can't English.
>>344360228
What, he did Pepsiman?
>>344360228
Wait, the what now?
>>344360316
the drug to make them sleep was still going to be injected
>>344360316
I was clearly giving an example of Eric's illogical thought process.
Just got the True ending,Well fuck thats a shit ending, no Kyle, No Alice or Clover, just a "now that you are determine to change the future, the extinction of mankind isn't set in stone"
>>344360519
he was part of the asset creation team afaik
>>344360519
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsiman_(video_game)
>The game also used 3D event scenes, which were modeled by Kotaro Uchikoshi, who would later be a scenario writer for visual novels at KID. This was Uchikoshi's first job; he had been hired to plan video game adaptations of board games, but ended up being part of the development of Pepsiman instead, which was already in progress when he joined KID in 1998.
Now that I think of it.. I don't think there was a timeline in ZTD where akane is dead and junpei is alive.
That would have been interesting considering how edgy junpei became.
>>344360734
it's all been downhill since there
>>344359152
>the macro with all the hints.
Wait, I haven't seen this yet.
How can you watch the executions again withouth redoing the votes?
apology for poor english
when were you when kyle dies?
i was sat at home playing decision game when junpei ring
‘kyle is kill’
‘no’
and you????
>>344360228
just saw his name in the credits, surprised me
>>344360702
>No Alice or Clover
WHY THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT THEM TO RETURN? I GET THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED BUT FUCKING AYE, NOT EVERY CHARACTER NEEDS TO BE RECURRENT.
>>344360734
This was one of my favorite games as a kid, nice to know he did more than VN games.
THERE ARE PEOPLE.. IN THIS THREAD..
who rate Bunny Zero above shit tier
explain yourselves.
Do you actually need to do Healing Room/Study/Security Room (is that its name? you know, the one where delta's glasses show uo) to get to CQD-Ending 2 whilst not cheating passwords? I can't think of anything the story needs from any of those fragments to get to the end. Maybe Healing Room to unlock Q's segment, but is that really necessary?
>>344355269
Would ruin way too much of VLR
>spend months trying to understand how Kyle and ? was gonna fit in ZTD
>this fucker disregards them completely
>>344361058
better than Akane
>>344361058
Zero III was a shitty attempt at cornering the Monokuma market.
>>344360836
I think the most obvious ones are Q's lack of portrait and everyone mentioning how Zero killed someone so helpless, or how he couldn't hear or see when the camera was panned atSean'sbody.
>>344360702
Make sure to real the epilogues in the files for some fanfiction.
>>344361049
I meant as a mention or something, since in the true end of Virtue's Last Reward they were mentioned as being able to get sent back in time or something, so I really expected some mention or a call-back cameo with Alice showing up outside to give them a ride
>>344357861
noice
>>344361049
Rather have them than Cuckpei yet again
>>344354210
Can you fuck this rabbit?
I will play the game if you can fuck this rabbit.
>>344355627
Probably gay.
>>344361410
Cuckpei was the best part of ZTD, anon.
Thanks to /v/ I can't look at anything C-Team related without hearing the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme in my head.
>>344359239
who is that supposed to be? seven? or just some random dude on a train?my autism needs to know
>>344355269
>not playing 999 then ZTD and VLR in an infinite loop
No bully question: can I play only VLR then ZTD, or should I play 999 first?
>>344361616
It's a nice tune.
>>344361616
Try this, see if it changes anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73O2NUM88mQ
>>344357362
Good shit
>>344361761
you should play them all in order. you can just emulate 999, too.
>>344361761
half consider 999 to be best, the only half consider VLR to be the best
>>344361761
Why wouldn't you want to play the other games? ZTD is the worst one by far.
>>344361761
Sorry anon I'm already bullying you.
Uchikoshi was a part of Pepsiman on the PS1, who knew?Coke or Pepsi decision game when?
>>344361871
gfd I knew it was going to be Sunny but it still caught me off guard.
>>344361871
I can't sleep, so I'm gonna make a version of this but with sunny.
>>344361761
play them in order you dense motherfucker
>>344361294
I still have no clue why i didn't instantly realize that something was wrong when Junpei talked how Q couldn't see or hear when he was killed
I mean, from Coincide we know that no one knows who that kid is, and even then they get memory wiped soon after
So why didn't i ask myself "how does he know the kid is called Q and that he even exists?"
>>344360734
we need a pepsiman sequel.
>>344360773
>that image
holy shit
>>344362424
It's a well known behavior, people that read/watch mistery novels/movie love being on the ride and not actually thinking about the solution. In other wards they want to be fooled.
>>344362578
nice one
So I know people here like to shit on the fact that there's a teleporter, but wasn't something stupid like a teleporter required to justify why Diana said she killed 6 people but there were only 10 players and 5 of the people in the game were known to have survived at least some length of time after the game ended?
So in the end when they all remember the past events and update the people who don't. Why does nobody freak out that Mira is a cold blooded murderer? Or that Eric kills them all at the drop of a hat? Or did they just choose not to share that information?
>>344362424
Reminds me of VLR when Kano goes "And right in the middle of-" before being shut down. Made me feel like a dumbass once I beat the game and I finally understood what he was talking about.
>>344359727
I only knew the name because of the TADEL hint.
>>344362715
because in all honesty it doesn't fucking matter anymore.
There is any video collection of"Who Killed Mira"?
>>344363017
Was she autism?
>>344362302
What's the ZTD equivalent of Mac Kills His Dad? You could put Delta's face over Mac's face and do Delta Kills His Dad or s/t
You could also have Diana pushing the button and everyone staring at her and then do Diana Blows Up The Shelter
>>344362803
I thought it was really obvious that he meantsomeone was a robot, and I was kind of mad all the characters were confused at what he meant. I didn't figure out who it was until theLunaend though, and I really thought it wasSigmaat one point.
>>344363017
Smoking weed every day with Phi!
>>344363187
I'll just do a promo shot.
>>344361294
Also, one that I never see anybody post:It's the X Door instead of the Number 9 Door because X is the roman numeral for 10
>>344362715
>She ends up in prison
>Eric marries her anyways
>He decides to break her out so they can stop past Mira from becoming a killer
>>344363289
DELETE THIS
>>344363249
Pretty good. Gab should be Frank.
I'll do the others on my own. I need to think of some good ones, though. Any ideas?
>>344360395
Yeah...a lot of people see Carlos is the dumbest (with the exception of Eric) probably because he did something that seems absolutely retarded on the surface level - the whole 10 months thing - even though it was far more inevitable and forced from a writing perspective than dumb.
Ironically enough, the "canonically" brilliant and knowledgeable characters often acted pretty dumb in this.
>ignore your parents death
>save 2 fags that killed you in different timelines
are these thread still doing memes?
I've just made one
geb dies
>>344363289
>X door
God fucking dammit it was RIGHT THERE THE ENTIRE TIME.
>>344362656
Do you know what the behavior is called? Would really help my epsychology
Friendly reminder that there still exists a sad Junpei who decided that Akane wasn't worth it anymore and went home with his adopted son.
I was expecting something to be seriously wrong with Carlos because he seemed like such a generic western style protagonist hero man, but I'm really glad we got the Carlos we did.
>>344363785
Leave the biker alone, it was the right choice
Fuck old Akane
>>344363612
memes make ZTD threads alive, post it
>>344363289
And the prefix of this game is Deci instead of Nona
>>344363864
>because he seemed like such a generic western style protagonist hero man
What tipped you off? The scene where he gives a little speech with the American flag behind him?
I mean, I know Uchikoshi wanted to appeal to westerners, but we don't need our dick sucked.
>>344359393
Shouldn't that be Akane and Carlos?
>>344364420
kek. was wondering someone would get around to this.
X/X
I want to fuck Mira!
>>344360404
Welcome to 4 days ago.
>>344354210
after somelightspoilers and memes from all this threads I decided to wait for Zero Escape vol 4 before buying ZTD.
If Carlos transported himself to before Dcom and the decision game started, doesn't that mean he exist in all timelines? Why doesn't he always come in at the end and bust everyone out?
why does carlos have a mexican name when hes full on white? wtf
>>344364420
Exquisite.
>>344365095
Because if he got close Delta would mind hack him away or just shoot him
>>344365095
C O M P L E X M O T I V E S
>>344365039
>I decided to wait for the next installment of this finished series
>>344365095
We don't know if he comes back or not as most endings don't go much further
It could also be that in every timeline except the VLR one, he dies the day he was gonna burst into the test site
>>344365095
don't think about it. it only raises more questions
Did we even get ANY alien hints in the whole series?
the transporter alien technology is the most asspull thing overall
>>344365225
What about the timelines where Delta dies during the decision games?
>>344365562
He shifted away from the Q execution timeline already though
>>344365118
Carlos is a BR name.
>>344365095
The only timeline that we know he doesn't show up in is the one where Delta and Phi are born, likely because Zero set up a Seanbot to stop him or something.
>>344365680
>Origin of the name Carlos: Spanish and Portuguese cognate of Charles, which is from the Germanic karl
fuck, you're right
>>344365680
BR name?
>>344363425
I just had the best idea for my thing, I'm 2/5ths through.
I started tripping when after Akane rigged the explosion to shift, Junpei went all "jump into the same history i am, the one where we lost the dice roll" making me realize the one that lost the dice roll really didn't want to die and shifted away to safety
>>344365271
I couldn't help but laugh when that scene happened. Holy shit Junpei is an asshole.
>>344365118
They exist, yo.
>>344365553
Sadly I agree. I could have accepted top secret experiment.
>>344365118
Huh, isn't it a Portuguese name as well? I think there was a king and queen in Portugal named Carlos and Maria.
How come the ZTD memes reign so supreme? Even Overwatch doesn't get macros this motivational.
>>344366180
How is Akane so good at being cute?
>>344365938
>shifted away to safety
>shifted away to a nuclear explosion
>>344366251relativelyoriginal characters
>>344361049
I'm pretty sure Ukikoshi wanted them,at least a cameo, but budget was a issue
>>344366281
2D magic
>>344361049
The only reason Alice should be in a Zero Escape game again is for the redemption arc
>>344363289
I FUCKING WONDERED THIS THE ENTIRE TIME I WAS EVEN ANGRY ABOUT IT HOW DID I SOLVE ALL THOSE PUZZLES WITH A BRAIN THIS STUPID
>>344363932
But old Akane still cares for Junpei, she still uses his ring in the right hand
>>344361058
bunny zero was funny and cute and stuck to the sidelines. Infinitely better than Monokuma, who was insufferable.
Did Phi and Sigma ever shift meaningfully in this game? We spent an entire game getting them to get good at it but then it was C team that went on a shift quest.
Why does playing this with jap voices feel so wrong?
It's like watching an American film dubbed in Japanese even though nips made this in japan.
I am the Predictor. I can predict anything you do. You have two doors in front of you, Door A and Door B. You have two choices: open both Door A and Door B, or open ONLY Door B.
Door A will always have a bloodied, one handed Carlos in it. Door B will either contain a musky, sweaty Carlos 2 inside his firefighter gear, or absolutely nothing.
If I predict that you will pick both Door A and Door B, Door B will be empty and you will be stuck with only one Carlos with a chopped left hand.
If I predict that you will pick only Door B, you will get Carlos that waited for you for 10 months waiting anxiously to stick his axe into your bussy.
What do you choose? Will pick both Doors, or only Door A? What do you think I predicted?
I'm so mad at myself for this :
During the shifting adventures of Team C, Carlos eventually arrives at the timeline in which team Q was executed to make Akane and Junpei use the transporters
An hologram of Zero appears and tells them he can't answers their questions because he was executed by Carlos
How the fuck didn't i make 2+2 and realize Zero was on Q Team?
>>344363289
holy fucking shit
is there anyone here doing a compilation or some shit or the neat stuff in this game?
>>344366756
Because most of the cast is American and it's made more like a Telltale game than a VN.
>>344366796
lmao 2carlos
>>344366750
The only case of them shifting i even remember is with Phi and Sigma remember Diana voting different teams
>>344366825
I realized he was on Q team but then I started making up theories about Zero being another robot based off the quantum computer, and so gets executed with Sean
>>344366825
Everything was moving so fast by that point, new shit was being revealed by the second, if you're anything like me you were more concerned about finding the next time fragment and closing in on the ending.
>>344366870
>Sean was Yui
Man, and here I was thinking the whole way through it was some weird voice by the Tomoko chick.
>>344366825
fragments system?
That thing is more fucked up than VLR events
I feel like a fucking idiot after reading all of the Q hints and still being so dumbfounded at the reveal.
>>344366796This is so hard...umm, I guess I'll take B.
>>344367356
Was anyone not dumbfounded at the reveal?
I firmly believe that after the the initial disappointment of the ending wears off, people will be left to think over the events of the game and realize this was the craziest ride in the trilogy.
>>344361538
>Not Carlos
>>344367504
I guess that's fair but I really thought I was sequence breaking or something. Just seemed so out of left field. But I guess that's what makes the whole thing so brilliant. All of the hints and you still had no clue.
>>344366870
Eric is an insult to the Togami name
>>344367409
999 akane is so cute
I still think how funny Junpei propose is
>"hey, you're going to be my wife now"
>put the ring on her
>>344367694
I felt the same way. I paused and reviewed the log a few times to see if I missed something.
I don't know if I called it brilliant or not. It's a very different kind of twist from VLR's, where finding it out was more like an "Oh!" reaction and suddenly everything made sense, whereas this one elicits more of a "What?". Though I do feel kind of dumb for not picking up that SOMETHING was going on ahead of time.
>>344367808
I couldn't even tell that he was proposing, like when I saw the ring I figured that was it but the way the scene was worded was so weird
>>344367542
I hold dear any game that manages to make a fool out of myself
They fucking manage to hide a ninja wheelchair shadow man from me for 20 hours
The only thing i'll still keep pouting about is aliens, only because those objects ended up being so relevant to the outcome (even the cards themselves)
>>344367638
As the fool who created that awful two Carlos meme, I second this. :^)
>>344368028
Because he was referencing something they talked about when they were kids.
>>344367808
>You do realize this is the right hand right?
Fucking adorableOld Akane still keeps the ring on the right hand
CONTINUITY
>tfw I finished the game as quick as possible just for the memes.
Was fucking worth
>>344368191
but what stopped them from getting married
What was Akane even doing all those years, before she moved in with Sigma, that is
>>344368420
Gathering money and resources with Aoi? Dunno
>>344368345
I don't want to spoil anything, but the game isn't actually finished. You can lose the coin toss.
>>344368345
Is Mira the best big busted babe in Zero Escape?
>>344368172
>>344368191
Explain the references pleaseForgive me I am not very observant
>>344366870
amazing how if you mix the three characters at Junpei line you got a perfect mirror of ZTD Junpei
>>344366825
I completely dismissed it and just though that he referred to himself by the robot he was controlling.
>>344354210
>>344357861
gonna need you to post more of that rabbit, anon.
>>344368571
Something about Akane wanting a ring on her left hand when they were kids
>>344368535
kek
>>344368548
Fuck no Lotus had F cups
>>344368571
Wedding rings go on the left hand
>>344368823
Nevermind thought you meant she had the biggest bust
>>344368823
What if you were measure them via Phi's scale of measurement instead?
>>344367542
Idk my dude maybe it was but that's more a testament to how straight 999 and VLR play themselves until the last third of each game than anything
The pacing is kinda weird so you can find out shit like Mira being a murderer in the first hour, the Phi being Diana's daughter thing was super choreographed, Sean's reveal was pretty good but it was dick compares to K's reveal and same with Delta vs Sigma
The Decision Games made every fragment fuckin wild but they almost never had any plot relevance so I guess maybe the game itself was a lot more of a thrill ride even if VLR and 999 had more insane plots
>>344363289
What the fuck is this?
I'm a retard and i don't understand how young Akane knows exactly what the future holds and what she has to do in order to recreate the VLR future
Does she gets infodumps from Sigma and Phi just like she infodumped Sigma in VLR ?
But the way she talks after Carlos bursts her out indicates she already knows everything
>>344369137
Akane's power is that she can see all possible timelines
>>344369203
Important note: despite this ability, she still fucks everything up by not even relaying information to others in ZTD or apparently being aware of it herself
>>344369016
>Drink Antidote
>Don't drink Antidote
Fucking Phi.
>>344369610
That's why it's so confusing
You can't know what a professional liar like her wants to accomplish
>>344367409
Before I click that spoiler, I predicted you will open both doors.
Because I predicted wrong, Door B is empty, and you win nothing.
Good game.
>>344369716
>Luck out with a blank round
>Avoid poisoning even with Phi claiming it's a trap despite you're already dying (chill man, just pill drugs)
>What's this rumbling noise i'm hearing?
>>344369137
SigmaPhi guaranteed filled her in before the game started while at D-com, because Akane needs to help them out in the VLR in order for their meeting in ZTD to happen. She knows she has to ditch Junpei and Carlos in order to focus on infiltrating FTS with Delta's robes, and doing what she needs to get to Mars or whatever.
Junpei needed to become Tenmyouji and nab that kid to participate in the murder games or whatever.
>you open the door to your home and see a bloody, cinnamon roll carlos
>he says "i think there's a misunderstanding"
what do
>>344369902
Grab a shotgun
I want to help
Is Phi wearing a weird one piece under her sweater? I want to see her with no sweater on
>>344369902
Dinner, a bath, or me?
>>344369876
Oh, it makes sense that they'd infodump her in those 5 days
>>344369872
Savage.
You never explicitly stated that he couldn't be outside of the doors, however, so there's still hope yet.
>>344369749
She does what she must to accomplish her goals
>>344368535
thank you
>>344369876
Wait, so does Akane know every outcome of what happens during the decision game before it even happens? For example, Junpei's death and others? Then why does she freak the fuck out when Junpei dies and murder Carlos? (Or attempt to do so and fail in the case with the chainsaw)
>>344370615
I think she only knows what happens in the VLR timeline, and only what Sigma and Phi knew about it
Like "in that timeline you get executed but all 3 of you are alive at the end for reasons i'm omitting"
>>344370615
Did you play the game, retard?
Sigma and Phi only told her what they know, Akane and Junpei "survive" and meet them in the distant future after doing al lthe shit they were said to have done in VLR. Nobody knew what happened during zero 2's game because Old Sigma and VLR Phi play instead of regular Sigma and Phi. Akane nor Junpei had the capability to shift that far because they're more info-based espers.
Did anyone else replay VLR when they got the corresponding ending? It just didn't feel right to break that link, I mean the characters had to go through the loop again so why not. I ended up having to play through VLR twice since I accidentally got the VLR ending in ZTD twice since I forgot what happened once I finished the first run of VLR.
>>344369610
Forget it boss, its another plot hole in ZTD
>>344365929
>>344363425
>>344363249
INSOMNIA IS A BITCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idoYCVLh2qI
>>344370879
I mindhacked you to post this post.
>>344359460
Better question:
If Q was the leader of Team-Qwhy did they let Sean make all of the decisions
>>344370948
And the original because fuck you pay me I guess?
My head hurts
ugh
>>344370879
Yes but it only made me more disappointed in how Sigma loses his arms and eye because VLR hyped something about saving Diana's life
Turns out he was actually trying to save Team Q, so the woman was Mira? No idea
>>344371082
>>344370959
Yeah, it was really tought to put ZTD on hold while I replayed VLR twice twice in a row but it made it worth it in the end so much greater.
Uh.
Just finished ZTD here, is this it?
Is it truly all over?
Is Uchi going to do anyhting to tie loose ends?
>>344371346
>Is Uchi going to do anyhting to tie loose ends?
Mind hacks, probably.
>>344370843
Doesn't Akane have the ability to see multiple timelines though? She seems to be almost omniscient in VLR. I thought she could have visions of the future and stuff, which makes it strange to me how she's suprised about things in ZTD. I may be completely fucking wrong about it though I'm just confused, mainly about the specifics of her powers and their limitations.
>>344371346
Jump to a timeline where it has already been confirmed.
>>344371017
Because Q was blind and mute.
Also Mira thought letting a robot choose how they die would be funny.
Man I'm glad I didn't waste my time playing through this just to see the pathetic ending we ended up getting. Fuck you Uchi, what a terrible way to end the series.
I don't expect brilliant writing from these games but fucking mind hacks... is this nigga serious? Delta is supposed to be lame as fuck and funny right?
>>344371346
> Is it truly all over?
I hope so. Uchi should work on something new next.
>Is Uchi going to do anyhting to tie loose ends?
Q&A potentially.
>>344368571
Where's the Scholastic logo?
>>344371346
We're still waiting on the secret keywords to be found, that can be entered at certain spots in the game. They unlock more information, but they are hidden in the anagrams on wall.
>>344371346
Why would he? He didn't tie them up in this game despite promising to do so. Stop having false hope.
>>344368535
hehehe
Zero Escape should have ended at 999.
>Carlos got killed by both akane and junpei
>still want to save his friends
>both of them don't care for him
Why is carlos so desesperate to make friends?
>>344371628
>making shit up over the internet
ex dee
>>344371685
Uchi should've taken his own life after finishing his work on Pepsiman
Reposting these polls for any newfags who just beat the games:
Thoughts on the game?
www.strawpoll.me/10670353/
What should Uchi work on next?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10682237
>>344371753
The fact that he took his cat to prom should have tipped you off
>A 124 year old geriatric boomer watched his parents fuck and conceive him
These complex motives...
>>344371864
He didn't see anything, he was dead in that timeline
>>344371660
The reveal was that he didn't give a shit about that stuff and neither should you.
>>344371864
so this is the power of complex motives... woah....
>>344371516
>Doesn't Akane have the ability to see multiple timelines though?
Only when it's convenient to the plot
>>344370948
>Carlos and Delta
11/10
Dee should have been Mira and Eric should have been Rickety Cricket tho
>>344372042
I kinda felt like going for the 'family photo with Carlos photo bombing' vibe
Isn't Delta supposed to be Brother, like the fucking leader of FtS? What happened to creating the Left master race?
>>344371951
he can still see them thanks to the Quantum Computer
>>344371979
The reveal was that he is a liar who lacks integrity and, due to this, is not a man. I shouldn't have been surprised after reading all the shit about remember11 but at least I finally learned.
>>344372168
It was all ruse. If he didn't do that, VLR true ending never would have happened, you need Dio to get that outcome.
Did anyone figure out the Xpasses in the premium booklet and enter them to the website?
Was there anything there?
Will we ever get a non-canon game with all the zero escape characters, including the dead ones?
>>344372168
Dropped concepts. :-)
>>344372237
remember 11 was fine
it was interesting the whole time
...I...I got turned on by Carlos' douchebag and arrogant act
I'm a man
What's happening to me?
>tfw uchi cashed out and left us high and dry
>>344372331
surprise
the reward for those are: wallpapers.
the passcodes are, unsurprisingly...MURDERESCAPE
>>344372168
I don't think he really cared about all that crap, he just needed to make sure the game ran so he would exist.
>>344372595
>cashed out
with what money
>tfw only just beat the game
>missed all the best threads and memes
well fuck
at least it was a fun ride. I think I figured outZero was Deltatoo early since I entered"Delta"in the "who to shoot" segment before he was formally revealed later in the game. It was a real what the fuck moment
>>344372630
I don't know what I was expecting, but I am still a bit dissapointed.
Thank you anyways.
>>344372307
How does no one else on this board get that he was bullshitting everyone to manipulate them thank you for existing
>>344372584
Complex Erections.
>>344372898
Use an archive. Most of the threads backlink so you should be fine.
>>344372584
Shhh. Just let it happen.
So... Uchi probably wanted to make this game like VLR and 999 VN gameplay right?
how the fuck he would do the Delta twist using VN mode if we were playing from his perspective and thinking?
also, could be that the original twist only worked in VN mode and Uchi had to make a new one to fit in 3D movie style
>>344372992
Because it's still bullshit writing. Free the Soul went from a religious terrorist group who wanted to cleanse the world via nuking it to "just kidding we weren't that bad we only released Radical 6 to train you guys to save the future :))))"
>>344372898
I only beat it a few days ago
These threads still have some life in them and as more and more people finish the game they probably won't die soon
>>344372584
Me too, anon...except I'm a girl so whatever
I don't know why, either.
>>344373161
It's the opposite, he thought of the twist first and then wrote the story around it
The cinematic approach was essential for this
>>344372595
Of course he can't keep getting away with it, this game is gonna bomb and Chunsoft will realize that all his games have left them in the red
>>344372584
Fucking neanderthals man
>>344372237
Remember11's only crime is Yukidoh got cucked.
Or was it Enomoto?
>>344373575
yeah, but the cinematic thing was something they had to do because people were tired of reading and was cheap
Uchi has this story writted for years already
no way Delta twist would work on VN gameplay
>>344365876
it's carlos and maria. def not a white persons name
>>344373161
He could just recycle the 999 twist since Delta was reading everyone's minds. The internal monologues would still make sense, and so would the close ups of all the models
>>344373503
N E V A D A
E
V
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>>344372413
> A slice-of-life side story similar to Steins;Gate's
> 9 people kidnapped to play the Punishment Game
> Characters doing things they normally wouldn't do
> aliens
Eh, sure, why not.
>>344372413
>even the dead ones
I can only think 1 person that stay dead in the whole series
>>344372898
>before he was formally revealed later in the game.PENALTY PENALTY
>>344372898
I was really obsessive over that choice so I entered every name as soon as a new one was relevant. When sayingDeltamadeSean shoot the cameraI had no clue what was going on.
AYO HOL UP
how did sigma and phi get born in the timeline where they never play the decision game? Or am I missing something
>Zero prepared a recorded message for that timeline in which the shower room button gets pushed and Diana fakes a double personality with complementary shaking because she can't explain why she pushed the button
>This only to fuck with her mind commenting how amusing is for her to come up with that shit to defend herself
Dude, it's your mooom
>>344373161
Who knows, something might have changed within that 4-year hiatus.
>>344373503
MOON
O
O
N
>>344374504
They get sent to 1984, thus spawning the timelines with Phi and Delta regardless of whether or not they lead to the decision game.
>>344374565
> He was willing to have himself executed
>>344354210
why do i want to fuck this bunny?
>>344374073
>Ace redemption arc
>Dio being an idealist
>Sigma murdering everyone with his massive arms
>9th man becomes an actual character
>Ending where Gab is behind everything
I can dig it
>>344374749
>>344374504
best yet is when you notice that Phi's adoptive mother is herself
>>344374628
GO TO SLEEP KYLE
>>344374784
Guess you have the right to make every bullshit rule possible to your game if you have the balls to partecipate and follow them
Sigma: 12 inches long, 6.7 inches thick
Carlos: 8 Inches long, 5.5 inches thick
Junpei: 5.9 inches long, 3 inches thick
Eric: 5 inches long, 4 inches thick
>>344375019
Homos OUT
>>344372898
same thing happened to me but I was stupid enough to think that zero was just lurking around in the study room and sean saw him by accident and took his chance
>>344375073
It's still weird because Mira and Eric should have seen him before Sean, and because he goes "sorry" before shooting
Also no one goes "holy shit Zero was behind us?"
>>344375019
>Sigma: 12
Where is that "Where's Kyle" comic edit
>>344375019
cARLOS TAKE ME
>Win an impossible dice roll
>Flip your shit and rejoice
>Suddendly your girlfriend starts going full party pooper on you saying you just won because of the circumstances
>Even go as far to say "We are in the universe god abandoned" while you just thought you got lucky
>After a flash of light suddendly find yourself full of holes and in excruciating pain
>In that split second of life you have left realize your cunt girlfriend was actually right all along
This is too funny
>>344375801
fuck, that one is perfect
I'm dying here
Anybody have the "quote from man shot dead" image?
Did anyone else think Sigma sounded like Kaz?
>>344376058
damn, that scene in the game was probably the funniest shit even though I knew it would happen
this is your daughter
>>344371516
yeah that was probably the biggest plot hole that just gets blatantly ignored that annoys me the most
well that and "we need to do this crazy thing to make another time line possible! this is the only way it could possibly happen!"
SHIFTing was a mistake
Can anyone explain how Carlos had the vision of Q-team getting executed? He was never there, and I don't remember it being showed on Zero TV or whatever.
I'm bad at editing stuff, help
>>344371951
He MIND HACCED them and saw everything.
>>344376210
Why didn't Ace just mind hack people to tell who they were?
>>344376289
SHIFTing was in VLR though
actually thinking about it what this anon said >>344375817
is the biggest clue that akane did see all the timelines... she was just being an unhelpful cunt as usualALL FOR THE SAKE OF THE AB PROJECT
>>344376193
Maybe because they have the same voice actor?
i wouldve accepted the carlos time cop / AB project ending as the true ending because at least VLR doesn't get retconned. The true ending just erases everything
>>344371864
>Delta set up the Decision Game just so he could make sure he didn't get the Transporter pod they fucked in
Changing history indeed
>>344376658
It is an infinity loop!
>>344376658
well.. some parts of VLR doesn't get retconned :^)
>>344376459
ja and it was a mistake there too. adding in time travel or w/e just makes a story lose all drama and cohesiveness
>>344376468
I can just imagine Akane going
>I know everything about everything, but i'm not sure if in this particular circumstance i should speak out or just hide it
>Well, i'm sure that not saying anything useful leads to the best outcome
>Imma chill
Also
how did Delta made a complete copy of the AB game if he isn't a shifter?
>>344376658
they literally discuss at the end of VLR how if sigma and phi are successful their timeline will cease to exist (and then how it won't actually cease to exist)
So Akane went to the meeting and obviously kept it scret, can we assume she was working with Brother all along?
>>344376913
>trap everyone in Dcom
>read Sigma's mind
>"holy shit, this AB thing is the shit, gotta do it too"
>proceed to do the AB game copy in that one room for 3 days
>>344376913
MINDHACK
>>344376913
He can see the future
>>344376978
I think she just kept it a secret because Sigma told her to tell his young self that she didn't know anything, because that's what Akane told him too
Still i would have loved to see the meeting
>>344376978
nah
if Zero needed to invite her to his cult party that alone means she had no connection with him
>>344377098
he was bluffing in the radical-6 scene
his powers has nothing to do with future
So which was better, ZTD or Root Double?
>>344377292
Remember11
>>344376353
Spend longer on getting the font right and you're fucking golden.
i don't get it
even if akane and sigma didn't do the ab game, there's still a history where the shit that happened in ztd didn't happen in the first place maybe delta got shot in the face one day and died. and at the same time a history where that happened and the fanatic wasn't born
so why the fuck do all of this when it's all pointless when in it is a fact that there will be a history where shit didn't happen and shit did happen, but in the end whoever is in those histories are stuck in those histories unless they SHIFT out of those histories
if they want to save themselves why not just shift to a good history ??????????????????????????????????????
Can someone explain to me why aren't they living in fear that one day, out of the blue, they are gonna get kicked out of their body because one version of themselves was about to die in another history?
>>344376913
>Looks into Sigma's mind
>Laughs at the results going against Sigma every time
>Amused enough to troll someone else with it
>Even that old man who frustrated Sigma is here
>>344377248
was he?
then how did he know about leaving messages to the right people for the timeline where he was dead
>>344377385
Because those versions don't know how to SHIFT maybe?
>>344377068
>Delta getting giddy over discovering an actual decision game instead of just having people throw dice
I can see it.
>pawn
Dumb Carlos, that's not how chess works
>>344377385
It could also be the opposite :
What if the day right after the true end of ztd, carlos ends up in a car crash and shifts himself in an history where rad6 was released?
He is gonna start shifting until he gets the right universe?
>>344377385
because in the end, carlos will come back to save them
So why did Delta send Dio to fuck up VLR? Was it just because he read Sigma's mind in the present and knew it was going to happen?
>>344377985
There is no other explanation i guess
Dio did his part into training Sigma with shifting so he could enlarge his ballsack and produce Delta
>>344377385
The versions we are following are the "main" versions of the characters. Which means they can freely kick out everyone out of their bodies, but the themselves can't be kicked out.
Life is simply unfair
>>344375068
Why anon? Are you a closet gay or something?
>>344377985
Dio was important to the VLR plot
I think akane asked him to send someone in there to kill her and everybody
How do Akane's powers work?
She got all the information to kidnap Sigma at Christmas and all the other stuff she had to do in the past perfectly but then went "I only had some visions about the future" when she spoke with Sigma in Dcom
So...
Delta can't HACK MIND AI robots right?
wish I could see Luna in ZTD as the only characters that can't be controled
>>344378283
>living the life fine
>sudden someone kidnapps you
>no arms, no right eye
>"hey the world will end soon, come to the moon study physics and chemistry for the next 40 years"
how the fuck Sigma said a "Yes" to this bitch
>>344378670
He said yes only because he just finished playing VLR so he knew he had to
>>344378670
like mind break but without the rape
>>344377354
This is ultimately the downfall of shifting, and any infinite-timelines plots where you can move between them. There's always a universe that's subjectively better, so why not just go there?
Of course, the most interesting solution to this is to only show the timelines that are accessible via shifting and the knowledge gained from it. So your timeline starts linear, but options in the past open up once you learn about them from the future.
>>344378443
Delta could mind hack Sigma to see what he programmed Luna to do
>>344376353
>>344377346
Inspect element is your friend.
>>344378670
He literally witnessed the nuclear reactors exploding and smelled all the death and the burning.
>>344378978
What's the original of this?
I assume it doesn't actually involve a flash grenade
>>344379117
theonion.com/article/clinton-throws-flash-grenade-divert-attention-ques-52499
>>344379117
Onion article.
>>344378978
Thanks senpai
What are the chances of Sigma and Diana making more babbies and calling them Luna andKevin?
>>344378978
You did well, anon.
>>344379373
Kevin? That makes no sense, they should call him Keith
>>344379373
Luna andLagomorphis the only right choice
Is there any SFM porn for ZTD yet?
thread is kill
I get that the final dilemma is supposed to be fucked up because you make "innocent" people, that only won a coin toss, die withouth knowing why
But as a player you really end up considering them strangers, so in the end it's "ok"
But imagine if you were actually following 2 groups throught the whole game and at the end had to choose which one lives
>>344380727
>2 groups
Group that won the coin flip
Group that didn't
>>344380093
It'd only work if it had the same choppy animations as ZTD.
>>344380524
Why are you bullying the poor anon? What did he ever do to you?
>>344380727
That would have been way too fucking cool. I thought that's what was going to happen when they started bullshitting about killing their innocent double "selves".Or even better, one side catches on to what's going to happen when they switch before the other so they start SHIFTing into each other's timelines to murder the shit out of each other before one side successfully murder's the entire other side by finishing the game.
TOO MUCH CLOVER IN THIS THREAD. DELETE ALL CLOVER IMAGES NOW OR I WILL REPORT YOU TO THE AUTHORITIES.
>>344380885
You mean exactly what happened in CQD-2
>replaying VLR
>first puzzle is about old people inside younger people's bodies
Uh, also Phi already called me grampa in the first minutes of the game
>>344374565
did he hate his parents or something?
this is the first thing i thought of when akane and junpei figured out the one anagram
>>344381075
LEFT
I WANT TO BANG THE ONE ON THE LEFT
>>344381075
How the hell does older clover look younger than younger clover.
>>344381139
Fuckin 10/10 anon
What the fuck was that Simon Says puzzle in the lab room? I've 100% the game and I still haven't opened that fucking thing.
>>344380727
We were following 3 goddamn groups throughout the game. That ending would've been easy to implement if it wasn't for shift shenanigans and the fact that it'd be trivial to reload and see the other groups' endings.
>>344380958
And my crime?
>>344381075
3. Trash
>>344381442
thanks man, i kinda just threw it together but i had to make it before i forgot about it
>>344381075
I let the decision game time out, fuck clover, not having her in ZTD was such a good decision
>>344381530
it's not simon says
maybe you should push the buttons an amount of times related to something thats the same color as the buttons
So what exactly was the point of recreating a 10 year old boy as the AI of a quantum computer? At first I thought that Zero was related to him in some way, but I can't remember that being stated in the game at any point.
>hearing morphogenetic sorrow and blue bird's lamentation in the same game
Oh baby
I'm out before spoilers, liking the game a lot so far
>>344382012
Hope you enjoy Bluebird getting milked to hell and back.
>>344381936
Sean is based off the kid in the hospital who died because the surgeon was in a car crash because the person who was supposed to take it was falsely accused of a murder that took place because a woman went left instead of right on a jog because a snail was there.
>>344381936
HACK
Complex
MIND
Motives
>>344381936
pretty suredelta was the old guy in the hospital who sean taught stuff to from the books he was readingthats the only connection i can think of
>>344381936
delta was the old man in the story he told to q
sean was sick but a genius, and thanks to his mindhacc sean was a very useful at being a source of info because he did nothing but read, so delta got attached to the kid
>>344382108
Why would Sean need to teach him anything when he can just mind hack Sean to learn everything he knows?
>>344381936
>what exactly was the point of recreating a 10 year old boy as the AI of a quantum computer
Rewatch the ending where Sean stays behind with Zero. I'm pretty sure he discusses how Sean was always interested in different worlds, so he fulfilled he dream with the quantum computer. Don't quote that, though.
>>344382205
i don't think delta actually needed to learn anything from sean, maybe delta was just another patient in the hospital and liked sean for some reason, i don't know , shit makes almost no sense
>>344382371
Would you say it'sCOMPLEX?
Uchi a cute
>>344381936
So he can pretend to be alive human being in game (why should anyone need sean to be in game? dunno). Also, i guess bullshit quantum computer so advanced it can simulate entire reality and generate timelines is useful for not-shifting Delta.
was MIND HACK the VOCAL CORD PARASITES moment for Zero Escape?
Reminder that Kyle SHIFTed into the parasite controlling the snail that started this whole mess
>>344382538
aliens was parasites moment, mindo hakku was entire new level
at least mgs was decent enough to not introduce retarded un-deduce-able explanation in story ending
>>344382538
A good concept that was implemented somewhat poorly but overall isn't the worst problem with the game? Yeah.
>>344382538
my favorite tweest was them being in the same ward the whole time
I mean i suspected the times were not the same for whatever reason, but i didn't ever suspect that was the reason
RIP
>>344383083
ZE4: Kyle's Revenge Across Spacetime
>>344383083
Why was he not mentioned a single time?
>>344382538
I still don't understand how the parasite would activate when talking english but not other languages that share the same alphabet and sounds
>>344383083
Who?
>>344377385
GODDAMMIT CARLOS
YOU CAN'T SOLVE ALL YOUR FUCKING PROBLEMS BY SHIFTING
>>344382758
We still haven't figured out how Big Boss and Miller were able to go back to Foxhound. That boggles my mind more than the lack of Kyle.
>>344383231
He's mentioned once when Sigma dies and regrets that Luna Kyle and Lagomorph will never xist.
>>344383231
he was mentioned once by Sigma, as one of the people that wouldn't exist if he dies
>>344383306
Isn't that basically what his whole firefighter career boils down to?
>>344382863
Speaking of which, does anyone have an image of all the wards merged?
>>344383231
He was, which makes his exclusion all the more bizarre.
>>344382538
Psycho Mantis being used to explain all the random stuff in MGSV was the MIND HACK of MGSV
>>344383317
>>344383334
Oh. Well what about "?" from VLR? Fuck, I thought that was going to lead to some crazy shit with ZTD.
>>344383431
Isn't it implied that ? = Delta?
>Shifting is murder
this honestly ruined all the games for me
>>344383387
And Sigma's childhood
>>344383492
but Delta can't shift
Why are people dissapointed that Kyle didn't appear in ZTD? Isn't he supposed to still be in the VLR future?
so why are his motives so complex, anyway?
What was wrong with MIND HACK, aside from the silly name?
>>344383496
It's not actually murder, but sending your alternate self to a dimension when he's going to die is.
>>344383497
>sigma hasn't shifted away from cat's curse and he was making cat puns in his senile VLR body (as if his dirty teenager jokes weren't weird enough)
>his senile consciousness in ZTD was making cat puns as well, making his serious character goofy as fuck
poor little thing
>>344383592
Uchikoshi said that a bunch of characters' stories will be resolved in ZTD, including Kyle. So people are disappointed his storyline wasn't touched upon.
I personally don't care, but I understand those bothered by it.
>>344383731
Maybe he likes the cat puns? I mean old sigma is a fan of dad jokes
>>344383592
in the epilogue of VLR, Akane said Kyle's consciousness was critical to the success of the mission, and people went into ZTD speculating about this and hoping for payoff
>>344383310
MGSV is a significantly bigger trainwreck. ZTD doesn't hold a candle next to it.
It's why I'm not too upset. While ZTD is far from perfect and could have easily been a lot better, there still a lot to love (The entire D-Team scenario, Carlos's shifting adventures, the Decisions Games generally being excellent, etc.) and overall the game is a positive. I can't say the same about MGSV, there's way more too many poor elements in that game to forgive it.
>>344383828
So it basically can be handwaved with "Akane is a lying cunt"
>>344383592
gab was kyle, nuf said
>>344383954
>Akane told us Kyle would be in ZTD
>he wasn't
rusecruise.jpg
>>344383796
cats are able to mind hack
sigma is both shifter and mind hacker, he just don't realize it - this is why he was able to "talk" with cats
so, mind hack was perfectly fine explanation hinted since VLR
Junpei makes mewet.
what did he mean by this?
>>344368535
Bravo.
>>344385930
>not posting the superior version
Am I the only one who just laughs every time I see Delta's face? /v/ has ruined him for it, I only think of memes now
>>344387003
You've been mind hacked
>>344387003
It's not that weird. I remember watching TDKR the first time and the opening scene would always make me laugh. I knew about baneposting but never watched until recently.
Eric did nothing wrong
>>344387003
That's good, anon. It means you're healing.
>Delta's quantum computer can calculate all timelines
>Sigma's quantum computer couldn't
>>344387727
Eric is honestly my favorite character. I had a feeling he'd be my favorite going into the game, and he didn't disappoint.
>that scene where he shot the X-Pass door control
>>344388013
PLOT HACK
>>344387727
He just wanted a family of his own, was that so wrong?
>>344387727
he was a dumb fucking idiot and he deserved to be stabbed to death by Mira each and every time that it happened
>>344388038
>the number of times I watched Sean die because I kept bullshitting him
I'll never bullshit again.
>>344387727
>marrying the woman that killed your mom and turned your childhood into a nightmare
>>344388038
I really felt for eric. Everybody else had reasons to buy into or not be phased by this spacetime stuff, but eric? Nah.
His girlfriend gets killed, there's a headless robot kid, phi and sigma have dead bodies and are walkin around and claim to really be like 60 years old, he literally watched carlos murder akane but everyone else is just cool with it because he says was another history's carlos
Everyone sounds like they are fucking insane
>>344388903
Eric confirmed for never playing VLR
>>344388774
>mfw telling him he's Zero
>>344387727
Fuck Eric for destroying the console and not listening to reason.
>>344389169
>gab is zero
>>344389325
I would have enjoyed that more
>>344389325
>>344389497
So who's dog was Gab?
So carlos used the deagle to shoot mira, right?
They didn't just let her help, right?
>>344389232
read >>344388903
Does that sound reasonable?
>>344388013
67 year old man vs 124 year old man
so delta can live 120+ years because his parents had sex in a stressful situation?
>>344389925
No it's because it's the future and people live longer
>>344385985
Probably that there can't be a "true" ending when you're dealing with multiple timelines.
Pretty sure there's something in the notes about players trying to get the best possible ending where everyone is fan fiction tier happy... but is that really the "true" end?
If that's what this game's going for, they could really get the point across a little better though. The first step would be to have all of the endings as fleshed out as the last one you get, so it really is up to the player how they want the game to end.
>>344389925
He mindhacked his own genes responsible for aging.
>Eric acted out at everyone due to fear and confusion of losing Mira and basically became his father.
>>344390463
SHIFTing to another history
![6dc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xp5CQSG.jpg "6dc[1]")
