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>Valve release ranked mode
IT'S OVER. Overwatch is finished.
Valve just can't be stopped.
http://www.teamfortress.com/meetyourmatch/
>>344263378
Who here agrees that removing pubs was a good thing?
How slow are you? Everyone knows about it already, and it's poorly implemented.
>>344263428
I don't, where am I gonna get free kills for my stranges?
>>344263446
how so?
>>344263378
Seems like someone hasn't tried it yet.
>>344263378
Haven't tried it yet. I hope valve inputs better hit reg on comp servers, or I'm just not going to play.
Dead Game
>>344263446
t. Blizzard shill
Overwatch sure has some flaws, but it is infinitely more fun than Team heavy+medic to win. I honestly don't get why people are defending TF2 so much it's incredibly boring.
>>344263378
They should just add a few waifus and Overwatch is finnished
>>344263864
Seriously, do some research before you bait.
>>344263378
"Overwatch is finished" Haha keep telling yourself that
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Did they fix queue times yet? I was waiting for a solid 10 minutes before I gave up.
>>344263864
>not having a good sniper or scout on your team to assassinate medics
incorrect method of gameplay, comrade.
TF2 has been dead for years
>>344263962
It's day 1 after the update, what did you expect?
>>344263378
nice just 2-3 years late
This will bring back a good number of players I think. Stock TF2 matches are what people have wanted for ages.
Honestly more competitive then Overwatch "competitive" I think.
>>344263962
Holy shit this. Haven't been able to get into a single game all day.
What does Valve even do these days? They don't develop games, they don't provide Steam support personnel, and they clearly don't allocate any staff to the successful rollout of new features.
I would pay good money to be a fly on the wall at Valve because whatever's going on there it ain't anything productive.
>>344263929
Is playing the game enough reserch, dumbass? It's a painfully boring piece of shit. Why defend it so hard? Not like you lose anything if you stop playing, it's a fucking free game. Fuckface.
Honestly, the only thing that should be removed from casual mode are the abandoning penalties.
Are the patch notes fine?
>>344264362
Yeah, TF2 is the game I go to when I get B& from CSGO for DC/afk/kick.
Now I will get B& from TF2 as well and have nothing but boring ass rocket league to play. Fuck my life.
great, more "COMPETITUVE GAY-MING!", here comes the cancer
but TF2 is the worst Valve product
>>344264654
You sure did spell Dota 2 funny.
Whoever designed Powerhouse deserves to be shot
this will bring back a few players but wont come close to killing blizzshills powerhouse drawing in new players. TF2 is 9 years old.
Jesus christ i feel like a fucking grandpa.
>>344263428
>>344263502
community servers you poops
>>344265103
Yes, that's why I stated in my post that I'm agreeing with the change.
So I can just AFK and avoid abandon punishment?
Like in MvM? If yes, what's the point.
>>344264046
>always in the top 20 for Steam players online
>dead, layel!
>finally get into a game
>our team has only 7 players, the other has 12
>four of my teammates are Spies
Fucking hell Valve.
>"casual" game mode is casual only in name
>you get punished for leaving valve servers
Why do they think that people want tf2 to be like cs:gay, dota, or overfad? TF2 is supposed to be fun. I don't want forced competitive bullshit in the game, leave it to 3rd parties
>All these people dc'ing comp matches and making it not count for anyone
Thanks, cuntlords.
I sure do love locked 75 FOV!
Pro tip; if you want drop-in drop-out matches, there's still community servers. Casual matchmaking is a joke.
>>344265471
>there's still community servers
>implying the good servers didn't all die a long time ago
Yea.
This will bounce it back up.
mmhmm.
>>344263378
Now if I only could play the damn game instead of having to wait for it to connect to the matchmaking system without any success
so how much do i have to pay for mm?
>>344265894
your time and your soul
>>344265894
$10 or your phone number
>>344265663
If Vavle would stop being a bunch of knuckleheads and get their shit together, they could fix that issue.
>>344263378
>want to play tf2 ranked
>haven't played since 2013
>was barely decent with soldier and scount
How hard will my shit be pushed in if i play today?
>>344263378
All the content in the update is community made. Why are Valve so fucking lazy? What do they actually DO all day every day?
>>344266031
well valve already has my number so number it is, haven't played in a while any tips for a retired Engineer?
>pubs are gone
>idiot 3rd/4th snipers/spies either quit or try casual mode
>eventually all of the non-idiots rank up past idiot snipers
>no one left in low ranks to carry shitty snipers' selfish play style
>they quit, never to burden normal players ever again
Where were you when Valve made up for their F2P mistake?
>>344266143
Make hl3
>>344263378
is there ranked ctf?
>>344266143
You're just now realizing this??
>>344266181
>implying pubs being gone is a good thing
even less players. Bravo valve
>>344266410
even less shitters*
This is the greatest thing ever. Bravo indeed.
>>344265283
This reminds of the time when rd_asteroid used to played by almost the same players to the point that you could start remmembering their names and gradually, after every single time you read "rd_asteroid" in the patch notes (mostly pointless shit), you would came across people who had no idea about what they were doing and ragequiting letting you with 10~ vs 4~ players per team. This is like those times but fucking worse.
>>344266410
Removing pubs was a great idea. Casual mode needs to be tweaked, not removed.
>>344265471
It's hard to find community servers that could came close to the idea of old valve servers. Two main reason are servers with a shitload of crap on them (some gamechanging like respawn time or not being able to build mini sentries or "donate for x perk"), or you find servers that are so populated that even the admins gets kicked out of their own servers. It's an option, yeah, but the change was unnesary. They have their head far up their asses.
I haven't checked it yet but.
Is it 6v6 or 12v12?
Are random crits off or on?
If both are the latter then it's stupid to have competitive in the first place.
>>344266742
Then get a group of friends and host a server. It's literally 25$ for a month of hosting.
>>344266817
6v6 is competetive, no crits/spread.
12v12 is casual, crits and spread enabled.
Just a FYI, casual works the same way as comp, where you'll get timed out if you leave the match in progress.
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>Overwatch shills saying TF2 is dead
>It was, in fact, thriving and always better than Overwatch in every respect
>Valve actually went ahead and killed it themselves
>>344264279
>They don't develop games
Who told you that?
>>344266519
pubs were great for players that wanted to just dick around in a 64 man server. This is for sure gonna kill the game even more. Enjoy
>noob map
wtf volvo
>2016
>CS:GO and TF2 still haven't been ported to Source 2
>Let's just let these games keep getting more and more bloated instead of porting them to an engine that accommodates that
>release ranked mode 9 years late
>not even default weapons
>>344266941
>dick around
By that you mean get carried. Because truly dicking around is/was entirely possible on trade servers. I'm glad such people are leaving. I will enjoy this.
Now they only need to roll back f2p.
>Pubs are gone
Wew lad, there goes just dicking around. I'll sure enjoy my time out for disconnecting during a match. GG valve.
>ranked mode in a now 9 year old game
>kills off pubs
what the fuck were they thinking. This takes away so much from the game and it being a traditional valve one at that. Surely everyone here is just memeing when they say itll be an overwatch competitor? I mean shit, its been dead since 2011
Alt tabbing in full screen is instant now. How did they fix that? Used to take ages to alt tab
>>344267171
You installed more ram at some point. The only time ALT+TAB'ing was ever slow was if you only had <2GB of ram. Once you've got 4GB of ram or more, it's instant when you ALT+TAB in and out. It's been like this forever.
>>344267093
>>344267151
Pubs are not gone fucking braindead retard. There is still a server browser
>>344267058
Do Valvecucks always sound like Ledditors?
I mean, TF was slowly dying of cancer before but this update has put a bullet straight through it's head. Thanks valve.
Anyone who think this update has been good see the file attached.
>>344267281
No retard, source games take ages to alt tab no matter how much ram, csgo too. You prolly play on borderless idiot
>"Ever since the first apes climbed out of the trees, there were apes who did it faster. Some apes just fell out of the tree. It's a sad fact that all apes are not created equal. Presenting our newest tree-climbing-down simulator, matchmaking. Play alone or with your friends against players of similar skill levels. Climb out of that tree at your own speed, confident that the apes around you aren't beating you to the bananas. Which technically grow IN trees, but maybe the ripest ones probably fall to the ground? Yeah, that makes sense. Look, this isn't a banana simulator, people."
that's advertisement has better writing than the entirety of overwatch lore
>>344267228
>>344267303
>b-but server browser
>get fucked in the ass by admins, billion plug-ins, bronies and circlejerking "regulars"
>muh pubs
>muh dicking around
>muh being a burden on the team
>QQ i'm quitting dead gaem
Don't let the door hit you on the way out lmao.
>u can try community servers
i dont want to play with a bunch of bronies and attention whoring gamer girls and their army of orbiter beta cucks
>but muh lotus clan
kill yourself shill
>>344263378
It died when it went F2P nothing can save this dead shit rofl.
>>344267384
No retard. I've actually been playing TF2 since forever on a crap-ass PC that has been slowly updated overtime.
I remember the days of 2GB DDR2 ram on my Core 2 Duo machine clear as day and how ALT+TAB'ing during the middle of a TF2 game would hang like crazy for upwards of 20 seconds trying to load back in.
Then I upgraded that machine to 6GB of DDR2 ram and that alt+tab hanging issue VANISHED. This was years ago, man.
>>344267450
t. Valvedrone
so from what ive managed to read so far
>penalty for leaving casual
>if someone leaves youre permanently down one player for the whole game
literal antifun injection what the fuck
>>344264297
Why so defensive?
>>344264415
Shit that matters:
Spy's base movespeed increased by 6.66%
Direct flame damage reduces heal rate by 25%
Cola got small nerf, soda popper got huge nerf
Whip got nerfed a bit
Cozy camper nerfed, Sydney sleeper buffed
Nat and brass beast nerfed
All mediguns let medic match patient movespeed
Quick fix nerfed
Dropped mediguns gradually lose the ubercharge stored in them
Demoman booties don't give movespeed unless you also have a shield
Teleporters only cost 50 metal to make
>>344267674
>permanently
No, it will sub in people.
>>344265270
Because it's free
>>344267020
Porting to Source 2 would fuck up all the physics that form a large part of the fundamental core that the game is designed around.
>not picking team Pyro
Heavy is shit and boring and Pyro desperately needs new balancing. What's the most efficient way to farm kills in casual mode?
>>344266840
As I said, you have plenty of options to deal with trying to reach what you had before, but that does not mean this change was an stupid idea and it's a temporary fix and you would need way more than simply having a server on your own to deal with it. If I had one server of my own, I would not change the map as I please, or leave the same if I wanted that. I could, but that would break the concept of having the same options, and if you had that to every private server, you can get the idea. Sometimes I just simply want to look for a especific map or mode and jump in. It's a decent workaround, but the problems it simply too stupid to even think about it, and I highly doubt they are not going to change it; a lot of people are fucking pissed about it.
>>344267542
T. Blizzdrone
>>344267450
Who the fuck actually took tf2 seriously? It's a fucking goofy ass game meant for dicking around with friends
>muh burden on the team.
Who gives a shit? Who was even asking for competitive mode?
>>344268036
SHITTY 4TH SNIPER DETECTED!
OUT! OUT! OUT!
>>344268036
It was quite competitive until Valve introduced stupid hats and loadouts.
>>344263378
team heavy because he actually needs buffs
>>344268036
>Who was even asking for competitive mode?
Enough for Valve to take note, obviously.
>all the bad pubber tears ITT
Please, I can only get so erect.
>>344263378
game is dying and valve is about to get sued to the ground...Valve can very will be stopped and is going to be stopped
>>344267964
Pyro is fine compared to how useless Heavy is, who needs an actual major reworking.
>>344263428
Not really, if you want to be serious and all there's competitive. Pubs were made to fuck around.
>>344268151
>taking winning seriously
>in pub tf2
>ACTUALLY taking winning in pubs seriously
>not joining pugs or other organized matches when you want a "real" game
>not enjoying pubs for the chaos that they were
Holy shit m8 I'm not even that guy and I hate playing sniper but you sound like a cancerous ASSFAGGOTS player right now
>Need to give out your phone number or pay 13 dollars to play
i'll just stick to dota 2 then thanks
>>344267774
it doesn't
>>344267058
Im not him, but I liked valve servers where you had players who knew they could fuck around trying different stuff with no consequences, and I DID liked the idea of being in a team that would pull shit off so I could fuck around as long as they did not completely stomp the enemy team to the point where you don't have anything to kill anymore. Some times it was either go as soldier, scout, demo, sniper or try something with the spy with dr when your team is being spawncamped, and that shit got boring long time ago because the balance of the game is shit. Add random crits on top of that, making winnin or losing more ridiculous because a simply well time random crit could change the map. What is the point of taking the game seriously like that. And most of the time, I was the one, or at least part of the ones, getting shit done with my retarded loadouts.Very rarelly is worth it to be medic since you don't have people that can use the fucking heals/uber or the team compr basically force you to be soldier, demo, etc, or fuck offDickin around has nothing to do with being good in this game, because with the shitty balance and shit like random crits, winning means fucking nothing in pubs.
>>344263864
>heavy
>not garbage
Please play the game before randomly shitposting
>>344268239
>implying this wasnt a leap by valve to keep the game relevant after overgoyim came out
come on now. You really think that much people still give a shit about this poor already dead game? its been 9 bloody years.
>>344268373
>chaos is spending most of your time looking at the respawn screen because your horrible teammates effectively leave you outnumbered every fight
k
>>344267407
>Competitive Mode
>Ever since the first dolphins crawled out of the ocean, they've longed to pick a fight with the fat, banana-eating apes over by the trees. And now they can, in a structured dolphin-safe environment.
>>344268357
Pyro has virtually no utility you absolute mad man. Heavy is low tier, but Pyro is pretty much outclassed by everybody.
>>344268151
Fuck off retard. This is a game where you throw piss at people to do extra damage and and beat people up with a whiskey bottle and a frying pan. It was not designed to be taken seriously or be hyper competitive. The only reason they even rolled out this update is because they were afraid Overwatch would steal their audience. Nobody asked for this shit.
>>344268391
>still playing the no pitlord simulator
>>344268503
Cry fucking more lmao
>>344264279
It's basically not worth it because no matter what you do service will be overwhelmed on day 1. It's better to just let the population sort itself out.
>>344268357
Everything Pyro does, Demo does it better. S/he's shit.
>2016
>still playing meme taunt game 2
>>344268460
>being this bad at the game
>not being able to steamroll pubbies
>not being able to switch classes to counter
It really is summer, huh
Protip: 99% of the time the other team is just as bad as your own incompetent teammates
>>344267964
Plant a sentry in a good spot, wait for retards.
>>344268503
Hey kid, Overmeme is only 40 burgerbucks. 'Should only be a few weeks allowance if you're interested :^)
I just want to play upward or borneo holy shit.
So it ends up like CS:GO with VAC doing jack shit and just banning people maybe once a year?
Wasn't LMAOBOX undetected for 1 year or something?
>>344267745
>All mediguns let medic match patient movespeed
>All mediguns let medic match patient movespeed
WHY
As if the medic isn't fast enough, and they're already pretty hard to hit.
>>344268469
T. Someone who doesn't know what pyros m2 button does
>>344268503
>Overwatch marketers on full damage control.
top kek
>>344268734
>medics
>pretty hard to hit
Holy shit, explains all of the scubbery ITT
>>344268542
I don't even have the game installed anymore desu. I just came in to point out how stupid this update is. Nothing to cry about. Enjoy your dead game.
>you're a blizzard shill if you think tf2 wasn't supposed to be taken seriously
baka
>>344266936
them
>>344268790
Nigger, have you ever played against a legitimately good pocket soldier and medic?
Now imagine a good scout and medic.
>>344267795
b-becuase its f-free
Wow anon. nice arguement
>>344268705
Already bought it.
>>344268761
Do you even know what damage control means?
>>344267745
>Sydney sleeper buffed
What, it's fine and still causes major butthurt to everyone.
>All mediguns let medic match patient movespeed
>Quick fix nerfed
Balance should be about balance,not about making a weapon completely worthless. You can't give Quick-fix main gimmick to every other medigun and nerfing it on top of it.
>>344268790
>medics can now reliably uber/kritz scouts
what could possibly go wrong
>heavy losing to the meme class
JUST
>>344269087
of course
more people play pyro than heavy, because heavy still has to aim
>>344267745
>brass beast nerfed
It's already shit. You may as well build a lv2 sentry because that's how slow and vulnerable the heavy is with BB.
finally quickplay died
maybe people will finally start playing in community servers
>>344268750
It's not nearly as useful as you seem to think.
>play TF2 since forever
>F2P comes out
>pubs steadily get worse and worse
>see Overwatch announced
>looks like Pixar made a shooter
>hope it will attract all of the scrubs kiddies away when it comes out
>it doesn't
>this TF2 update comes out
>this thread
>>344269037
This right here is why this competitive shit is stupid. How can you take this game seriously when the fucking developers make dumbshit balancing decisions like that?
>>344269087
Heavy isn't fun to play
>Disliking Overwatch
But why? It's fun.
>>344269159
BB is pretty much the "stand on the payload" gun
So what's going to happen when competitive mode fails to take off and LoL/CSGO/DotA still reign supreme?
>>344269159
I wish bb bullets could penetrate a single enemy player.
>>344269240
It's fun for goofing off in in a Mario Party sort of way, but that's about it. It's way too shallow to hold my interest in any competitive capacity.
>>344269257
It's not going to "fail to take off" because it's for the 60k people that have stayed with the game
>>344269257
>LoL
The game is hemorrhaging players terribly. Riots in panic mode since they haven't ever dealt with the game not experiencing constant growth.
>>344269186
It's the single most efficient tool in the game for shutting down soldiers, demos, and enemy ubers, and is also extremely good at clearing people off of contested points/carts as a desperation move. It's one of the powerful defensive options in the game, if pyro had more movement options he'd be an outrageous offensive cock blocker because of it
>>344269186
>Can push out and delay used ubers
>Can Reflect rockets/sentry rockets
>Can push a scout onto a wall letting people kill him
>Can push people to environment kills
>Can put out fire
>Can be used to make people more vulnerable
>Can reflect projectiles: Madmilk, Jarate, Arrows, Balls, Sticky bombs, Grenade Launcher projectiles.
I don't know Anon, it seems very useful to me.
I haven't even listed everything yet.
>>344267745
>All mediguns let medic match patient movespeed
>Quick fix nerfed
>Dropped mediguns gradually lose the ubercharge stored in them
Is valve fucking stupid?
>>344269417
>enemy ubers
Not anymore, that's scout
>>344267745
>Nat and brass beast nerfed
What scheme is this? Make weapons so shit that players are essentially forced to use better ones?
>>344263378
DELTE THIS
Scout
>Crit-A-Cola
-Added Marked-for-Death debuff for 2 seconds after the buff effect expires
>The Soda Popper
-Added "On hit: build Hype",Removed "build hype by running around"
> Shortstop
-Added an Alt-fire attack -- reach out and shove someone!
-Removed +healing bonus
-Reduced pushback vuln to +20% (from +40%)
>Sun on a stick
-Take 25% less damage from fire while deployed
>>344269257
The game is already dead as fuck CSGO/OW/DOTA//league of niggers will likely be superior always.
>>344269509
>It's an "I havent had an excuse to use this ever since /v/ gave up on private servers" episode
Soldier
>The Righteous Bison
-Fixed a bug causing players to be hit by the same projectile multiple times, causing the damage dealt to vary wildly
-Per-shot damage has been increased to compensate, resulting in slightly more damage on average
-Point-blank deals 54 damage (previously 20-80)
-Maximum range deals 24 damage (previously 14-56)
-Slowed projectile by 30%
-Projectile damage reduced by 25% for each enemy penetrated
-Updated projectile impact sound
>The Disciplinary Action
-Reduced duration of speed bonus on teammates to 2 seconds (from 3)
>The Rocket Jumper
-Updated model/materials and sound
Pyro should be able to aim at the ground and airblast himself as an analogue to explosive jumping
Discuss
>>344269471
Honestly I rather disliked playing against nat heavies, will not miss them.
>>344264087
I bet you say the same about Bethesda games
Too bad mods can't fix the pile of dogshit that is TF2
Sniper
>Cozy Camper
-Now requires a full charge to gain flinch resistance
>The Sydney Sleeper
-When fully charged, or when making a headshot, now applies Jarate in a radius
-Scoped shots now extinguish teammates
>The Cleaner's Carbine
-Removed hidden +10% damage taken multiplier while under the effects
Heavy
>Natascha and Brass Beast
-20% damage resistance now only applies when spun up and below 50% max health
>Huo-Long Heater
-Added -10% damage
-Added +25% increased damage vs. burning players
-Reduced ammo drain to -4/sec (from -6)
-Reduced pulse damage from Ring of Fire to 12 (from 15) due to increased damage vs. burning
>Buffalo Steak Sandvich
-Fixed "damage taken" multiplier accidentally being +10%, instead of the listed +25%
>>344269625
Airblast should not cost ammo
Discuss
>>344269713
Being able to spam airblast nonstop would be bullshit.
Spy
>Base
-Max speed increased to 320 (from 300)
>Enforcer
-Attacks pierce resist and absorb effects from all sources
Pyro
>All Flamethrowers
-Added: Direct damage reduces Medi Gun healing and resist shield effects by 25%
-Medics hear a "healing interrupted" sound when this is happening to their heal target
>The Manmelter
-Removed (hidden) 20% fire rate penalty
Medic
>Base
-All Mediguns allow the Medic to match the speed of their heal target, previously only available on The Quick Fix
>Quick Fix
-ÜberCharge rate reduced to +15% (from +25%)
>Overdose
-Increased movement speed bonus to +20% (from +10%)
-Increased damage penalty to -15% (from -10%)
>Dropped Mediguns
-Stored ÜberCharge begins to decay over time after coming to rest
RIP Quick Fix
>>344265046
>tf2 is 9 years old
>>344269189
I still can't believe people are bad at a 9 year old game. You'd think the collective knowledge of the community would spill over and new people would learn really quick, but no.
>>344269806
Just pull a cooldown, is not fucking hard
>mfw medic's quick fix movement effect now applies to all mediguns
>mfw i can run as fast as a scout if i'm healing a scout
rest in piss fellas enjoy the taste of my ubersaw
>>344269884
That's stupid
Ammo >>> cooldowns you dumb Overwatch fanboy
Demoman
>Base
-All boots now require a shield to activate any move speed bonus listed on the item
>The Iron Bomber
-Decreased the fuse time to 1.4 seconds (from 2.0)
>The Quickiebomb Launcher
-Increased charge time reduction to -70% (from -50%)
-Increased damage bonus for (max) charged shots to +35% (from +25%)
-Increased clip size penalty to -50% (from -25%)
-Removed "Stickybombs fizzle 4 seconds after landing"
>The Sticky Jumper
-Updated model/materials and sound
Engineer
>Base
-Level 1 teleporters now cost 50 metal (previously 125)
>Widowmaker
-Damage increased +10% when attacking the same target as your sentry
-Reduced "50% less metal from Dispensers and Pickups" to 20%
-Added "Teleporters cost 50% less metal"
>The Short Circuit
-Base projectile attack is -10 metal (hit or miss) and then add -5 metal for each projectile destroyed (sometimes a buff, sometimes a nerf)
>The Pomson
-Fixed an exploit with shooting through your own buildings
-Increased close-range damage to 72 (from 62)
-Reduced long-range damage to 32 (from 42)
-Updated projectile impact sound
>Eureka effect teleporter spam
>>344269625
The Pyro can actually do a rocket jump if you time a rocket towards to you, it's just not practical after that.
But having a free jump to reach a flank is pretty good since the Pyro isn't that powerful, and most often you will face enemies in front of you, not behind them.
And he SHOULD be specializing in flanking people, not just pulling a Degreaser m1, m2 to (Axe or Flare) like most people would do.
>>344269878
Anyone who goes 1 and 29 every round, spending more time looking at their respawn screen than actually playing, and then signing up for another round of that without changing anything must be literally retarded.
I still remember my very first round of tf2 years and years ago. I was never that retarded. I just played medic and shadowed other players, watching what they did until I felt comfortable trying it myself.
>>344270069
Degreaser isn't that good anymore. Stock+Reserve Shooter is a lot better.
>>344263378
Anyone who cant join a game? Cant even access items "Loadout is unavaible" Cant do shit
>>344269518
>Added an Alt-fire attack -- reach out and shove someone!
What is this
>>344270249
It's like a half potency airblast that you have to be ~melee range to trigger.
>>344270214
That's most people right now. Valve doesn't do weekend work, so see you next week!
>>344270069
Can't the Pyro flare jump with the detonator?
>>344270307
>giving scout airblast
Wew valve
>>344270000
>what is like half of scout secondary
There's already cooldonws in the game, you dumb motherfucker, there's nothing wrong in give it to Airblast
>>344270310
Ah I thought it had something to do with my Hud
>>344270318
Yeah but it sucks
JUST
>I played a round of casual ctf (even though i picked not to play ctf?), no one had fun, everyone (including me) was tryharding.
>Before that a round where my team left in the first minute and the other team had an allcrit cheater.
Why is there casual matchmaking if there's already comp? Can't I just fucking push the cart on badwater.
>>344269884
Then the back burner and degreaser would just be direct upgrades
>>344270354
It's kind of shit, on top of requiring you to use the already shit shortstop. I honestly don't see the point of it.
Valve made TF2 great again
>>344270441
>Can't I just fucking push the cart on badwater
Get a load of this tryhard.
>>344270318
Yeah but it's hardly viable
Costs way too much health and is only useful for bridging minor gaps
>>344265270
3rd worlders literally live off hats, friend. Same with CS:GO skins.
>>344270318
Yeah, same with the Scort shot, but at the cost of being limit of the ammount of damage you could deal to the enemies once you position yourself, and it's not like the flametrower is realiably due to the shitton ammount of bugs it has on one. And a pyro can't simply say "ok, i will try to deal a little bit of damage and then fuck off with my detonator if I can't pull anything off" like the soldier can. It's true that the soldier needs to cut himself of at least one rocket that he would need to use to escape (another one if you need to cut the distance) but you can do that better as soldier than you would ever could as pyro.
>>344270402
Nope it's definitely my hud. Deleting it made the game work again. Seems like most huds are not updated so the game breaks.
>>344270536
b-but I liked pushing the cart ;__;
Now it's all, play this shit game of koth you have to wait 5 minutes for.
>>344270441
>everyone (including me) was tryharding.
Shit, sounds like TF2 might actually be fun again. I always hated the idea that anything remotely related to playing the objective was discouraged as tryharding.
>>344269713
What do you thing would change adding that change to the game. It's a pretty random change expressed like that. What is your base for that argument/concept?
>>344270447
Depending on his argument, you could balance the airblast of those weapons around the concept of needing a cooldown. But it sound like a pretty random statement to me.
Will this discourage all the "friendly" heavies and faggots that only conga dance?
I don't know about you guys but I had a blast on my favorited community servers while items were down.
No bullshit, just straight shooting for a few heavenly hours.
>play a few rounds of comp with friends
>they go to bed, play a couple casual games
>then to fuck around, go to community server
Update is literally perfect.
>>344269884
Then airblast is worthless because soldier and demo have clip sizes bigger than one, have you played this game.
>>344270990
>tfw got rock paper scissors
>nobody plays it
I probably should have got an actual taunt
>>344270171
Still, the point is that the Pyro isn't good in flanking, you will most likely die because you're going to be most likely fighting on the front-lines, which he isn't intended for.
>>344270318
Oh, I totally forgot about that weapon, that's actually a good means to move with the Pyro if you hog medkits and use it right.
However most of the time medkits will be used, and you'll have to deal with the damage you've done to yourself (35-41 I think?) and for a slight jump that's too much.
The damage is shit to the point that I think it's a waste of secondary slot.
And also, good luck hitting the scout.
>>344270859
I mean it was nice to see people actually play? Like how it was back in the day, a little, but doesn't just feel fun.
But you can't choose a map, you can't choose next map.
And there's shit on the top part of your screen.
No one in there has played together before you joined, so it's all random nonsense until the very end.
>>344271217
>you can't choose next map.
they removed to voting?
>>344263378
How are the performance improvements?
Did we finally get proper LODs? How bout an option to disable hats or at least unusuals?
guess i'm sticking to the server browser then.
>>344263378
>Wow it's only 5 years too late
>>344271321
I'm playing with my config disabled, and the game runs REALLY smooth for me.
>>344271278
Enjoy. And if the game is shit on the map you actually like and finally get to play, you can't just go on another server with the same one.
>item server still down
what the fuck
>>344267745
>Nerfed Nat and Brass Beast
For literally what purpose? It's not like they were better than stock or Tomislav.
Aside from the quickplay and matchmaking fuckup wich will be fixed soon, do we agree the balance changes were good?
Except the heavy ones. I don't get why he has to be nerfed almost every patch
>>344271489
Guess I'll stick to community servers
>>344271217
>people actually play
>it's all random nonsense until the very end
Sounds like the old pub experience is in tact to me, with the added bonus of people trying. Win/win.
>>344271623
Soldier, Demo and Scout didn't get nerfed much so no
>>344270913
Flamethrowers are shit weapons due to their lack of range, you'll only ever kill a retarded pubbie with nothing but a flmaethrower.
In comp play the flamethrower is all about the airblast, it's needed to neutralize ubers, pull off combos, reflect projectiles and a variety of other tasks.
The degreaser was considered a direct upgrade by pro pyros becasue the damage penalty wasn't an issue when you rarely ever used flames to finish off an enemy. Weapon switch speed + default airblast cost made it more useful than the stock flamer could ever hope to be
>>344271738
>Demo
You haven't played with a sticky spamming Demo back then did you?
>>344271623
>All heavy nerfs
>Remove bizon's actual attribute by calling it a bug
>Spy made faster, like meleeing them as engi wasn't fucky enough, like they already couldn't outrun pyros
And whatever fuck else there was.
>>344263378
>matchmaking
did they remove server browser?
>>344269583
>Slowed projectile by 30%
thanks Valve,now I won't hit anyone that isn't a Heavy
>>344272035
what even made you think that they did?
>>344271938
Considering this the spy-cicle needs a nerf.
>>344272146
I'm just asking
overwatch doesn't have a server browser so maybe valve wanted to target that crowd
>>344271648
It's not though. Just try it, it's awful. It's comp with pub skill level players who might leave at any point, with no one replacing them. In a gamemode you did not choose.
They should have left matchmaking to comp.
>>344269695
>The Sydney Sleeper
>When fully charged, or when making a headshot, now applies Jarate in a radius
>Scoped shots now extinguish teammates
This is beautiful,can't wait for even more butthurt
>>344269583
>ingame tips say to use bison on retreating enemies, because it hits multiple times
>valve later claims it's a bug and removes it
I'm actually convinced Valve is completely shit right now, like incapable of making or balancing games. I don't know how CSGO is doing but DOTA and TF2 are getting more and more fucked up every update. Did they replace all the original game devs over the years?
Why the fuck do you have to pay to play the competitive mode?
>>344272271
>Turbine first map, a map I hate because of just how unfun it is
>Get capped out 3-0 in less than 5 minutes because of how open the flag is
>Took 5 minutes just to get into that game
>Wait another 5 minutes to get into Gold Rush
>Two teammates abandoned after first point and I can't rejoin or play another game after leaving it while it's in progress
Also
>Random crits on
>21+ second respawn times for defense
>Ubers out the gate
>It's in stopwatch mode so even if there's 2 team members remaining versus 11 it will still take a god damn half hour
Fucking hell
>>344272354
Method to keep hackers and other scum out of it I think. I don't know how well it works
But I mean there's really no issue since you can buy a key from the store, and use it or sell it on the market and get your money back, and you're already premium
>>344272334
>Did they replace all the original game devs over the years?
Hopefully they're working onLeft 4 Dead 3
>>344272354
you don't
>>344272354
You don't. I didn't. I've played several games already.
>>344272309
I had a crazy thought.
>Sniper+Pyro+Heavy.
Sydney Sleep a cart full of people, then Scorch Shot, then Huo Long Heater.
TF2 threads
>pyro is actually not that good, but I know how to play him with my degreaser :-)
>when will they finally make heavy viable???
It makes me sick.
>>344272636
That requires like teamwork. You're way off.
>the update is War! update 2.0
>heavy vs. pyro
>starts off the update by nerfing heavy and buffing pyro
>heavy was winning 51% to 49%
>an hour later pyro is winning 51% to 49%
Gee, I wonder which class is favored more by valve
>>344272334
>did they replace all the original game dev's over the years?
Valves employment policy is that employees can work on whatever the fuck they want to do they probably weren't replaced. However if i worked on a single game for 9 years straight only to then have to keep giving it regular updates I wouldn't be surprised if i got tired of working on it and wanted to do something else
>>344272727
A man can dream
>>344272334
The desks at valve have wheels, so they say. For all we know most of the TF2 team could be working on CS:GO or DOTA2
>>344263378
wait, so the server browser is gone?
good game valve
>>344270714
Holy fuck, I expresed myself like shit.
>>344271753
Yeap, I'm aware of how he is used. This my other comment so this is not so long, but you get the idea: >>344270714 .
That does not change the fact that the cooldown needs to make sense. If the fire rate is the same, the concept of what makes pyro really good to use in >especific< circumstances does not change at all besides being able to deal a little more of damage while using it since you will not waste ammo in flames that you will need to airblast. You could spammit more but you are simply dumbing down something that you would do anyway.
Also, Comp (as in wpns bans kind of comp) is completely different to pubs and is not just about skill, you know?
Comp changes basically turns around these concepts:
>The strategy, if allowed, force both teams to do the same or put themself at a disavantage.
>The change should improve variation in strategy. Banning things creates variation because some weapons would force you to do the same or lose/have a great disavange.
>It should create an escenario were you can counter it. (If everybody try an especific loadout focused to kill a medic, you would see the same shit every time.)
>It should make the game fast. Making more fun/interesting to see, and to play. If everybody switch to heavy and disciplinary action you could create a more slowed game with the same concept.
I can tolerate that but thsi "in comp" argument is getting out of hand because people don't understand it.
>>344272334
To be fair, TF2 has never really been well balanced. Except for vanilla maybe.
>Quickplay eternally fucked, valve won't fix it
>This causes community servers to come back from the dead and be good again
Possible or delusional fantasy?
>>344272937
>we want the no one playing the game crowd
>>344272937
No, it's still there. It's 'community servers' underneath 'find a game'. Literally on the same list as the other options they added this patch.
>>344263938
Exactly. I'm sitting here waiting for matchmaking to put me into a server. Overwatch does it in literal seconds. It's been FIVE MINUTES for Valve.
It took them six months to implement this!?
>Casual coerces you into playing horribly optimised maps like borneo
I'd pray for goldrush at this point, at least I can play it above 45 fps.
>>344272354
You don't if you aren't a F2P babby.
>>344272749
actually it doesn't work like that anymore for a few years already.
People are now mostly working on projects they are assigned to, also they hire many contractors who get fired once the job is done.
That meme that people work on what they want existed when valve had less then 150 workers.
>>344273071
>skial
>nightwhatever
>the other shitty one
>mario kart x10 weapons
>2fort instarespawn with bots
It's there but there's nothing there
>>344264261
Except competitive TF2 doesn't turn off the class kit update items or cosmetics. It ALLOWS them.
So... TF2 is officially killed/dead/whatever word you want here.
>>344273163
>been playing since 2008
>tfw they still expect me to give them my phone number or 10 dollarydoos
Too Judean for me
>>344273303
>afraid to give them your phone number
No one would want to call you anon, what makes you think Valve would?
>>344266169
>tips for a retired Engineer?
this is relevant, read the updates section:
>http://www.teamfortress.com/gunmettle/
Teleporters only cost 50 Metal to build now, or a staggering 25 Metal with the Eureka Effect.
Also Short Circuit is a useful weapon (after its fifth rebalance in this update) for making the lives of Soldiers and Demomen hell,
Gunslinger minis now start off on only 50 HP while constructing and then work up to 100, so they can be taken out by a single pipe or sticky or 2 rockets, but they can now also be repaired. They construct slower but you can hit them to boost them faster than they used to.
Wrangler was nerfed.
Spies sapping a Sentry also disables it for 0.5 seconds.
All Engie's unlocks were nerfed or buffed so Rescue Ranger+Jag+Wrangler is no longer the best choice, it's all very situational now.
This video might be useful to you, but it's a bit long: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRJ7HtTEj5w
>>344273371
The point is they don't need it. It's like asking me to store my CC info to get access to certain modes that are nominally free.
>>344267375
everything about the update was really great EXCEPT the pointless Medic buff, the weird pyro buff, and the stupid casual servers
So basically valve is scared of what Overwatch is doing to it's community, okay.
>>344266936
The last wholly valve game that wasn't a tech demo was portal 2.
>>344273441
>The point is they don't need it
It's their way of weeding out cheaters, because they won't buy a burner phone just to cheat. If they do chose to pay for comp, they just wasted $10 now and I think $20 when it goes off sale. Another thing is that if they use a public phone number, they'll get a whole load of people banned at once.
See this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpHTqRE2akM
>>344273486
WoW copies shit from every new MMO that comes out yet you'll still pretend it's the best MMO on the market. Why isn't that the case for TF2?
>>344273441
they do need it tho, fucking retard.
its to make hackers life harder, otherwise hackers could just download the game again on another account and continue cheating
>>344271623
I don't agree with:
Crit-A-Cola
What is the point of increasing your chances of dying if everything that the cola can be used for happens before you get the fucking debuff (increased burst damage, suicide plays against medics, etc). Adding some risk to it, like slower drink speed and take minicrits while drinking, or lower movement speed while under the effect would be better.
The Soda Popper
This prevents people from being away from fight building hype or creating hype to try and chase someone using the extrajumps to be harder to hits, but considering how the weapon works, changing the hype to something like "x jumps per x damage" like the speed you have with damage created using the bfb. You could have those jumps more frequently but in burst and only if you are dealing damage. It realoads quickly and it was worse with the old glitch that they patched last year, and changing it's ammo/damage or balance the jumps more could help making scouts that needs to be relevant in fights instead or running around building shit and decrese the chance of getting against a medic while being in the air making yourself harder to hit.
>>344273441
>I am a child or russian/BR
stay out faggot
>>344273441
>they don't need i
This pretty much is why im not giving them anything.
CSGO still has cheaters so the entire excuse about 20 dollars keeping them out is bullshit, and wasnt VAC been developed to keep cheaters out anyways? So why the need to make me pay or give out personal information?
Pass Time is fucking awesome
>>344272451
Random crits and the browser for quickplay were fucking cancer, and they managed to make them worse. That's definitly something you need to put effort on. Even when I was not expecting them to fix them much (or at all), that got completely off guard.
>>344273681
>"baww muh personal information"
>he uses google
>his phone network has already sold his number to numerous ad agencies already
>unaware that his phone number doesn't already exist on many lists out there even if he didn't give out his info
>>344268503
just because the game is silly doesn't mean it can't be legit competitive
look at Iron Chef for example
>>344273529
They can do that, they can also have a degree of common sense. If the $10 fee was actually to stop cheaters it would make more sense to restrict accounts who simply haven't spend enough money, just as they do with adding friends. The $10 pass thing is just them being Jewish.
>>344266103
You'll poop youself
I cant fuckin take this ranked i just get mentally handicapped people on my team and the other team constantly has soldiers/heavies with pocket medics jumping around killing my entire team solo.
And i just want to fucking play spy because incan fucking interrupt them hard but then my retard brigade stands and dances or shoots at the sky i cant fucking take this
>>344273529
So what you're saying valve needs to weed out cheaters by implementing a system that can get a shitload of people vac banned for doing literally nothing wrong, golly fucking gee, i'm gonna sign up right for a company that great
>>344268503
overwatch is a fucking disney game with no gibs or blood yet you're telling me that's 'made for competition'?
>>344273869
>using a public phone number
>not doing anything wrong
hmm
>>344273841
I hope this is satire.
Is TF2 worth going back for?
What can I expect?
>>344273553
No, they don't need it you fucking dope. If my account has plenty of money invested in Steam and has been active for years without a blemish, I think it's safe enough to assume I'm not cheating in any way that phone verification can stop. Their price for bypassing phone verification is $10 so apparently an investment is enough. I've spent far more than that already, they don't need an additional $10 as a further investment from me.
>>344273938
>oh hey i'll just use a public phone number because i value the scraps of privacy i'm allowed to protect
>banned
Stop sucking so many dicks
just played 6 vs 6 and 12 vs 12. Found game in 1-2 min. Everyone play like they will die if they loose lol. Every time 1 random guy had 370 ping, dunno why, Its actually funny, but if some1 leave game then noone will get exp, which is stupid
>>344273550
I don't pretend WoW is the best MMO on the market. Not anymore at least. It was until Cata at least.
Copying is fine, I was just stating a fact.
I want TF2 to die, but it's unrelated to the fact I like Overwatch (I just think TF2's community is fucking cancer)
>>344273973
A demolitions expert using a sword and shield because of his ethnicity
>>344274059
That's not true. It's just a bug with the XP.
>TF2
>competing with overwatch
have fun with that valve, I guess. TF2 is this old game that people remember seeing on the steam store a few times and Overwatch is an international hit
>>344273973
volvo pub servers gone, only custom servers in server browser left. Find lobby is waste of time, quickplay button is gone, create server button is also gone
>>344274003
>muh privacy
If you actually gave a shit about your privacy, you wouldn't be using a phone in the first place as phone companies can easily track you with your cellular device.
If you actually gave a shit about your privacy you wouldn't be using the internet right now because of digital footprints that can be used to track you on the internet, and these footprints cannot be deleted or prevented through cookies
There is literally no excuse to not give them your phone number or cough up $10. This isn't jewry, this is a way to get rid of whatever amount of cheaters there will be in a game.
You're the same person who's afraid to give your SSN to the bank when you set up an account or giving your workplace your SSN after you've applied and been given the job.
>>344273975
>I think it's safe enough to assume I'm not cheating in any way that phone verification can stop.
fucking naive retard, you think accounts like that aint getting hacked?
fuck off retard
>>344274187
If valve actually gave a shit about stopping cheaters then they wouldn't let you go through the system by paying ten bucks, a phone's gonna take more time and effort then hitting a button and adding ten bucks to your account, it's literally only there for kids who can't convince mummy to put a phone number in or cheaters who can't be arsed to buy a new phone.
>>344274330
How does paying $10 offer any additional protection from getting "hacked"?
lol you can't even votekick AFK/hacking/useless fucks from VALVe servers anymore.
>>344268503
>this game can't be competitive because it's not serious enough
>what is dota?
>what is lol?
>what is hearthstone?
>what is overwatch?
>>344274383
when you get banned you cant just get another free game account and continue hacking
are you just dumb or some mentall ill retard?
>>344273681
>CSGO still has cheaters
anon systems like this are the difference between "there are some cheaters in some matches" and "literally every match has 2-3/12 people using LMAOBOX blatantly"
of course there will always be hackers willing to go above and beyond the call of duty to be shitters, but the point is making your average lazy hacker unwilling to go to the effort of spending 10 bucks every time he hacks and gets banned, plus 20 bucks for LMAOBOX Premium, plus make an entire new account
>>344273686
its ok. I like the boost pads but it seems to be pretty devoid of players sometimes
>>344274438
Are you? An additional $10 from the account owner (who in this scenario has well over $10 put into Steam) doesn't stop people phishing his account and using it to cheat. It doesn't add any protection from cheating in the case of such accounts, the charge does nothing but line Valve's pockets in this scenario.
>>344272636
You will have a waaaay higher chance to just go Soldier and spam the cart to wait for that Random-XD(tm) random crit that the chances to pull that off. Also, you could have been getting shit done picking one of the classes that you are limited to play as unless you want to lose (sct, soldier, demo). Not saying that pyro is useless, but is not the kind of shit that you want to rely on if you want to be relevant during the game.
>>344273572
>Shortshop:
It's concept is being better at medium range, but the fucking scattergun can deal 40-60 dmg from decent distance and has 6 shoots and the change to deal 100+ damage up close. The airblast seems random to me, I don't even think you would want that as a pyro with more movility (the only really relevant about pyro) because it does not seems as strong anyway. It looks retarded but maybe there is something that im not getting.
>Bison:
Fucking worse than the shotgun at close range, lower proyectile speed and lower >chance< of dealing dmg from away means people who use it could simply use their rl to spam chockes and wait for a random crit to appear on top of that. That bug-feature is what made it silly and fun to use, now it's not even good to fuck around.
>Discplinary action:
Changing the speed would be better, and maybe lose the boost if you shoot/revup/scope in to prevent heavies going everywhere, snipers being harder to hit (for the other snipers) and would let you use for engies to set up or push forward.
>match force you to have 300 fps
>match force you to have 1p viewmodel 54 (very close)
>console command do nothing
>>344263378
>Forced to join a shitty group
>Forced to have shitty mobile authenticator
>Forced to buy a ticket on the store
I was on the verge of keeping TF2 installed for the new War but fuck this. Disinstalling it right now. Never again, tf2.
>>344273398
Short circuit should not exist, remove it from the game
>>344274664
>>console command do nothing
holy fuck this
I hate the minimized viewmodels and 54 viewmodel fov
I'm so used to playing at such a high viewmodel fov, the regular looks like dogshit
Well, let's see, you either give your phone number or some shit, or you pay ten to twenty bucks to even be able to access it.
Ya what now.
Is this the most spectacular failure in TF2 update history?
The 225 health backburner pyros back in the day was pretty fuckin bad, but does it hold a candle against this scale of fuckery?
>>344274667
>Forced to have shitty mobile authenticator
just get bluestacks emulator, its shit but still.
>Forced to buy a ticket on the store
no, only if you are f2p or not share phone number
this game is so fucking boring
almost fell asleep on capture point gamemode wich was a stalemate
>>344274760
At least EotL was just a bunch of cosmetics in the end. This one has completely pointless balance changes and fucked up casual play hard
>>344274730
>caring about competitive autism
>>344268503
This guy gets it. Doesn't matter if your neckbeard ass took this game seriously, if there are only a few thousands people like you in the entire world.
As I type this I've been waiting to find a casual server for the past 13 minutes. If this is how long it'll take to join a game every time I want to play then TF2 I'm leaving for good. This is literally unplayable.
To make matters worse, the only community servers here in NZ are shit like
>24/7 2fort insta-spawn
>Trade Minecraft
>Achievement idle
>Rapid fire crits + infinite ammo
It's horrible
>>344274730
Isn't it enough to pay like 2$ for a key or something?
>people complaining about the FOV limitation
You're a fag if you enjoyed playing like this. It's revolting.
>>344274949
Its still greedy and shit behaviour mate, can't I criticize it?
>>344275084
Well yeah but I can't see a problem with giving them the telephone number. Afraid of Gaben prank calls?
>>344275064
>I don't like thing so no one should enjoy it
Why doesn't comp have class and weapon restrictions? I would quite enjoy an enforced 2 scout 2 soldier 1 demo 1 medic stock only mode.
>>344274396
Well, at least I'll not see people being voted off for someone who got mad or wanted to troll. The ammount of times that I've seen people trying to play (objetive and all) and kicked due to people spammin kicks for "being idle" and people with tunnel vision voting yes out of habit is fucking massive. It's still shit that they fucked up this bad.
>>344274629
>sniper
imo he need an overall change, so Im skiping it
>Natasha
Fucking with movement sucks, but you could make it need a gauge to use it or something. Like "dealing damage charge rage metter", lower firerate or damage, but with a better distance/speed-debuff ratio. Maybe.
The changes in health are hard to understand because they are relevant in very especific escenarios. The buff while revup was just a bone for them to compensate the rest anyway.
>Spy
is better at having a chance to get picks and die, but this is a pyro nerf too because he sucks for damage and this along the bug of the flametrower make him worse at dealing with spy.
Pyro could've use it better. Some people alredy thought it was faster (even the wiki said that until this year), he need to be close to deal damage, spy already has a shit ton of counter to fire anyway, it could help him dodge better in situations where he needs to GUESS when to airblast. If airblast and flametrower were better and you don't fuck the movement of people but can use pyro as a viable pick for attack, this would be different. Weapons that fucks with movemnt are shit.
>>344274772
do I have to pay anything or give them my phone number if I bought TF2 with the orange box in 2007?
>>344275162
>forcing people to give away personal data isn't a problem
And it's not stopping hackers either. It's incredibly easy to acquire a few different numbers.
>>344274407
its not about not being serious enough. the entire game design is to put a bunch of people into a server who fuck around for half an hour and enjoy the game without having a heavy desire to win. its fun. because you can still enjoy the game without winning
dota is overly competitive, its fucking frustrating to lose so its not true. lol tries to appear to the casual audience but losing still sucks. heartstore is an 1v1 game, obviously losing sucks.
WHO TEAM HEAVY HERE? PYRO IS A LITERAL FAGGOT
>>344275162
Like he said, no need for giving even more of our privacy out for free acess to fucking competitive
>>344274760
>>344274857
Yep, having something that fucks the game is better than doing nothing. I would rather get another snowplow 6 months from this update than dealing with this shit, at least is something you can ignore.
>>344274785
Powerhouse?
>>344275064
It also fuck up the aim of the people who use distance to aim and people who get fucked watching the screen like that, it's not just about appareance.
>>344275267
yeah why doesn't the game cater to you and only you? you are more important than anyone else in the world :)
>americans
>>344263378
>http://www.teamfortress.com/meetyourmatch/
only took ten years.
How do we fix the Heavy, /v/
>>344275385
Yes.
>>344274673
They won't remove it from the game, and I will act smug at your impotence
Short Circuit is balanced nicely after the recent update
>>344263378
>were going to balance all the weapons
>barely balances any and mostly just nerfs everything save spy speed and pyro's reduce
>were going to improve the performance significantly
>barely improves anything
I don't know why I expect anything else.
>>344275397
Yes, and considering the current balance of the game and bullshit like random crits, is not like winning means anything, you know? I you use the concept of game knowledge to judge how good you are, the balance is fucking shit to bother; if you use individual/mechanical skills to judge that, I would rather see a demo with flying around with a shield or the jumpers while landing direct hits with pipes or a soldier trying to land a market gardner after a shit ton of jumps because they know they can fuck up and they are not trying to impress anybody that seeing everybody playing the same game to win or not get fucked. The crazyness of the pubs made them good. Balance could have improved that, but they fucked it to extintion. Pubs were good and they could've coexist with ""casual"" comp.
Are there any people who played tf2 competitively (like in ETF2L) left? Why didn't Valve just implement the same rules for an actual competitive mode (6v6, weapon and class restrictions, no random crits) and leave this parody of a "competitive" mode as a choice? This isn't what competitive looks like. I have trouble imagining that they actually consulted comp. players before implementing this.
>matchmaking
>choose all modes
>wait 8 minutes
>put me in blackwater payload, my team just won the defense, dont get to play, game in progress
>now in attack
>"your team has to get one point to win"
>push cart to first point, game over we """"won""""
what the actual fuck valve
those new voice clips though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRSW9XbXd3s
Just fuck my shit up the update
>>344275890
i was medic in that game
still haven't found a game
>>344276013
>Soldier's voice actor's voice is getting more and more rough
>He can't yell anymore
>>344275797
Most invite level players have been that level for years. The competitive mode for them just seems like lobbies for them if Tagg's videos are anything to go by.
>>344275280
>Quickfix change
Quickfix build uber faster (in terms of seconds) that the other weapons, even kritz, because of the lower overheal, you would see your patients under overheal more frequently and that's where the medic can build more uber from. If you change they way the qf works, like incresing constant pressure but with lower individual capabilities or a weaker uber, you could make it work. I would change:
>Remove gaining more health while healing to everything but qf
>Lower uber build up during overheals.
>>Alternatibly, faster health regen under overheal but lower in overheal. Still good at keeping people alive, but weaker against focused fire.
>Self health decresed during uber unless healing a patient. (No more getaways with the core or the flag as medic or just to scape if caught off guard)
>Hold x button to prevent yourself from being affected of pocket jump.
You could still try to use it to keep fights for longer helping many teammates but with a weaker side to it (the top overheal and the speed to reach along how fast you build uber).
That health change fucked up other weapons like amputator, but like you are going to use it more if you have shit like the ubersaw. His meele are mainly utility because you don't to be in positions where you can attack with melee because of they way damage falloff works and shit, so you are not going to be seen much holding your melee anyway.
>>344276170
same, still waiting.
also found out you have to choose at least two game modes, you cant just choose payload for instance, you are forced to take at least one mode you dont want to play ATM.
>>344263378
TF is shit
>>344275890
>official pub play is now some sort of competitive lite mode
How did this happen? During all the brainstorming and actual programming/implementation did not one person say "hey wait a moment, this is fucking shit"?
>>344274760
There were only three,maybe fourthings wrong with this update.
>The stupid Righteous Bison changes. It wasn't OP, nobody was complaining about it
>Removing Valve servers and replacing them with crappy casual servers
>What the fuck happened to the Create Server button?
>Medic didn't really need ANOTHER buff.
Everything else about it- the other rebalances, the taunts, the mini comic, the new maps, passtime out of beta, the voicelines, competitive matchmaking was all great additions to the game.
>blizzard bought tf2 and destroyed it completely so overwatch is the only good game
>>344275797
Competitive for Valve means making every weapon good enought to be considered in it, and that probably also involve being able to have a shitton of medics and stickies because maybe they think their game is more balanced than it actually is or that they can pull off balancing everything in a reasonable time. Considering how they managed this war bullshit, I highly think they have their head so far up their asses to believe the latter. They just don't know how their own fuckin game works, that's why they asked the comp player to help them out.
>>344276402
but Overwatch is trash with an even worse competitive mode
>stop playing TF2 a couple years ago
>decide to play again a couple years ago
>find out that your favorite servers are dead and probably have been for a year or so
>post yfw quickiebomb launcher is now a straight upgrade
As if they didn't pander enough to Pyro and Spy while simultaneously nerfing Heavy to oblivion in every single update.
>>344267407
Gearbox humor, my favorite.
>>344276557
Hey, with quickplay being turned into Casual maybe your favorite is back up with players in it now. I've seen quite a few of my favorites come back in the last day or so.
full stacking ranked, always rolled enemy team in 5 mins, only once found a team made out of comp players but they left. seems pretty boring at low levels desu. needs to be more balanced otherwise the playtime is inferior to the time spent searching.
>>344276764
Dead, as in gone. As in they no longer exist.
What a shitshow, merging heavy? Did the doto balance team hop to tf2 now?
>>344276245
>Iron bomber
The lower radius fit nicely with the little rollout of them because even when the radius was lower, you had more control of where it was going to go if you miss a direct hit. Now it's harder to use them as a mini trap if you are using something else as secondHA!and this lower fuse time makes people who can already aim with it even stronger. I'm not comfortable with that change. You can shoot the floor and fuck off or stop players closer to you, but unless you have no health to scape with sticky or a shield to escape, it's actually worse in that escenario. I don't know why they think it was something good to add to it. People who knew how to aim with it were using just fine.
>QbL
Like if facing more spam is the more fun shit to have. Not saying that it's more viable than the stickies in every way, just that the concept of sticky and the balance in general is not something im found of.
>>344276632
It's not a straight update becase of the clip size, so you can deal more damage in some escenarios but you can have more chances to deal a lot of damage more consistently because of the veeeery slow reload speed, your difficulties short range, and ammo managment. Also, it takes longer to set up traps.
I just don't like the concept of the stickies (and how they are basically needed against the rest of fucked up balance) altogether.
>>344276804
Well, even when I dislike the crap out of the concept, you will have to hit the bullet that appears everytime a game face for the first time (or reset) any kind of rank: it will take a bunch of week to have a reseamblance of balance, and that if the matchmaking is not completely retarded. You might need to wait a bit more while Valve needs to fix the bugs they probably added
>be Valve
>create "casual" mode that involves queuing, limited game mode and map preferences, and demands you commit to the whole match no matter how shit the map or unfun the game is
>>344269087
I think people hope they´ll try to unmemeify pyro.
>No more teams consisting of 70% spy and sniper when playing casually.
I like it so far.
>>344277731
This has not been my experience
>Pubs are gone
>Penalty for leaving in CASUAL MODE
>Can't choose a specific map or gamemode
>Takes ages to find a game
This update is shit.
>>344277508
>if anyone had fun, they're kicked at the end of the game anyway
>queuing can make you join midmatch
>you can't queue for only one gamemode
ayy lmao
>quit TF2 years ago
>competitive is live
>literally no unlockable guns in my inventory
Time to scout it up
>>344276013
Engineer sounds like the original. I thought that VA retired?
>>344277918
Anon buddy, you ass munching shit head, all you gotta do is open your eyes bud, open your eyes and look that there is in fact a pubs tab you silly little bitch dick
>>344277918
>>344278028
If you could queue for a specific map than they would have to make queues for several skill brackets on each map end you would never find a game.
This kind of matchmaking doesn´t work if you introduce too many restrictions in addition to mmr.
Oh yeah and
>joining mid game gives you no points
>no points for team heavy
>>344278419
There are community servers only, you can't just get in a valve server, play a bit and leave whenever you want
>>344278478
Then give the option to choose between quickplay and matchmaking
>1200 players searching for a game are considered ¨compatible¨.
>Still in queue after 10 minutes.
>>344278734
It's a BETA you dip
>>344263503
>how so?
How about taking an hour or two to find a match?
Or removing every Valve server pub so there is no other option but to wait?
>>344278848
>BETA
>>344278848
its not
>>344278848
Uh, no they had a beta for comp this IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FULL UPDATE.
>>344263378
>Seriously believing this
kek
>>344279049
>>344278916
>>344278909
Uh the intro screen tells me otherwise
>>344263378
>update where nobody can play the game
>WHAT A GREAT UPDATE GUYS WOW OVERWOTCH IS DUN 4 ;)))
Who gives a shit about overwatch?
Valve just cut off TF2's arms and legs and is watching the body try and get up right on its own, TF2 is fucking DEAD from this update.
>>344279264
It's the same as the old text, they haven't updated ;o
>>344279264
>>344279468
Updated the text I mean.
>>344269087
heavy needs more weapons but pyro needs a rebalancing
i'd honestly be okay if either class won
>>344263378
So Blizzard and Valve are rivals now, huh? I guess they have been ever since the DOTA thing.
Which one is Coke and which one is Pepsi, and which one do you prefer?
>>344279880
>Overwatch Mountain Dew, cancerous, but works and plays well
>TF2 comp, RC cola, blatant ripoff, does not work and plays like ass now.
>>344263428
>>344265103
dumb. Nowadays, most surviving community servers:
>bombard the chat with the many benefits of joining their forum or donating
>reserved slots
>overbearing and egotistical mod/admins
>downloading ...sounds/quake/holyshit.wav
>instant respawns
>skial.com printed over your screen
>ads every time you respawn
I just want quick, vanilla fun where I can pick the game mode I want on the map I want and be able to drop out when I get bored or for whatever reason, and Valve servers were the absolute easiest way to do this. They should've done absolutely nothing to quick play. There's genuinely no reason to be glad pubs are gone unless you enjoy seeing people upset, but this is /v/. There's genuinely no difference between casual and competitive other than the team size.
>>344280002
>TF2 comp, RC cola, blatant ripoff, does not work and plays like ass now.
ripoff of what?
>overwatch stream views (casual day, nothing special, no tournaments): 22k
>tf2 stream views (release of ranked, special): 400
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>>344280370
Of overwatch's comp mode, they came out with comp and then Valve TRIED to squeeze out this shit comp mode, except no one can find a game in TF2's case.
>>344263378
Final nail in the coffin, rest in peace.
>>344280483
not exaclty,indeed it's the opposite : ow ripped tf2's comp. look here : http://etf2l.org/ ,6v6 meta was a thing in tf2 since comp was born.
>>344280000
>>344280686
Interesting, I'd probably like TF2's comp better, if it worked.
whoa.... now i'm a #cruzmissile
>>344280483
This has been in beta for more than a year i think.
They have probably rushed the release because of overwatch though.
>>344280804
it works really good outside this mm bullshit, trust me.
>>344277918
dead game
>>344279815
this
>wait 20 minutes for a casual match with all gamemodes
>finally join a game of gorge
>lose defense
>3 people leave
>autobalance isnt a thing anymore so we get steam rolled
>earn 0 xp so nothing happened
>game then kicks you back to menu so you can go back to 20 min+ queues
what the actual fuck is this shit?
who thought this was a good idea?
So we all agree we're picking heavy's side right? only autists and randum gmaeing gurls play pyro
>The competitive update will KILL Overwatch!
>Valve will save PC gaming again!
>Update is broken as fuck
>Removed features for no reason
>Can't even gather any publicity
>$9.99
Pull the plug already.
>>344263378
They LITERALLY REMOVED VALVE PUB SERVERS ROFLMAO WHAT THE FUCK
Final Nail in TF2's coffin confirmed, Game is dead as fuck forever, Good job valve
>>344282071
I picked pyro, even though I like Heavy better as a character, because Heavy is a natural pyro counter and I wanted a challenge. Also, I created my current steam name (The Axeman) while trying to do the clearcutter achievement for pyro (6 axe kills in one life), back when achievements were the only reliable way to get weapon drops. That being the case, all the axtunguishing and flare gunning I'll be doing once the game works will be a bit nostalgic for me (this was around 7 years ago).
>>344275464
>just a game theory lmao
>>344282237
why did valve turn into such a hideous monster
>>344282071
They said that the class would get gameplay adjustments. Pyro needs it more than Heavy, as he basically can't do his only job thanks to every other class getting something to counter him or filling his role better. Vote for Pyro.
>>344281721
give it a few days, same shit happened with mann v machine
>>344283491
You actually got stuff from that though
What should Valve's next release be?
Vote here
http://www.strawpoll.me/10614640/
>>344282790
They didn't remove the servers, you can still see them. You just can't JOIN them.
>>344283491
this isnt a matter of bad servers tho the casual matchmaking experience is jsut shtty
>>344265270
Having players doesn't mean its alive. I don't usually refer to population when I say a game is dead because even great games can have low player ocunts.
The very core of TF2 died about a year after it went F2P because it was at that point Valve was severely fucking up and cancer had truly infested the community.
This would all be well and good if their shit actually worked, I only have like an hour to play before leaving to my wagecuck job and I've already wasted half of it waiting in the queue.
>Killed every gun save for tomislav which might as well be a default reskin with how little it actually vaires
>only good secondary still is apparently alwayswill always be the sandvich or default shotty.
>melee weapons are eternally shit, the eviction notices """"buff""" is so minimal it might as well not even of been changed
>lossing to the horsefucker furshitter class in the vote so hes most likely going to be this way until 2017 and STILL have not a single good weapon save for sandvich
what a shitty update, i was going to come back when i heard best class might see some redemption but no, they just fucked him up even more and made everything save for default even worse then before i left
>>344283290
Thanks, but I'm not absolute SHIT with Pyro like u. I'll vote heavy because I, unlike some people, don't play Pyro while being shit at the game in competitive faggolo.
>>344263378
>Team Fortress 2
is this a new game released?
never heard of it until now
>>344267407
News update humour is the only thing of value Valve produces anymore.
>play tf2 waiting for valve to release update already
>have fun
>play tf2 waiting for valve servers to actually work
>have fun
>competetive starts
>short wait and into 6v6
>would have liked bigger teams some choice of mode\map, not having to leave but otherwise great
>try some passtime on casual
>slightly longer wait
again, miss map choice but like new map
>match ends
>from then it has been 26 minute wait times, 10 minute matches that don't seem any more balanced, only one exp gain on top of the previous two, and no alternative with objective focus, just skial and mario kart
>>344263378
People still play this shit encrusted heap of a game?
Good Lord.
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