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>>344215686
Are those not USD?
one crate is a dollar you should be paying 40 something
>>344215686
eh?
you don't have to buy them
you can get cosmetics through normal play
>>344215686
If you're not shit, you can level up twice in about 2 and a half hours of gameplay (if you're over lvl 22, where the xp needed peaks at 22k).
Only shitters buy boxes since the game gifts them to you for hitting "play", pretty much
>>344215686
>blaming blizzard because your cunt elected a PM based on a promise that he would legalize weed and then he immediately sold all your countries gold
fuck off
>>344215686
Micro transactions shouldn't be in the game in the first place, I agree, but nothing in these things actually effects gameplay and they're totally option to buy with real money.
>>344215803
It's the fact that they are selling on disk content in a AAA release
>game has no progression system
>game reaches beta
>people complain they want progression
>blizzard add it in
>purely cosmetic
>can buy rng boxes to speed up your progression
>still all cosmetic
whats the problem, oh thats right there isnt one, Blizzard gave people what they asked for welcome to modern gaming
>>344216380
But none of the content is exclusive to loot boxes you buy, and as far as I'm aware, the RNG is the same. What's the fucking issue? You don't nave to buy anything when you get a lootbox every time you level just by playing the game and having fun.
>>344216729
What about the ON DISK content locked behind the CE?
This shit is inexcusable
>>344216170
Takes about 8 games to level up
>>344216828
The fucking content is not locked on the disk you dense motherfucker, what part of "it can be unlocked by leveling up and playing the game" did you not fucking understand.
>>344216828
It's hardly locked content. You have a chance to win anything in the game with each box you earn. The only things which you could currently call "locked" would be the gold weapons, since who the hell has 300 comp points already? That shit is a fucking a grind.
The OE stuff is a special something for people who bought that edition.
>>344215686
>Buying lootboxes
KYS Blizzcuck or no if you buy this you're stupid as fuck. Just enjoy playing the game the shit you get won't make you better.
>>344215686
They're purely cosmetic, you're able to play the game competitively without them. Furthermore, virtually all of that content can be unlocked via normal game play.
>>344217438
>You have a chance to win anything
>gambling
>blizzdrones actually defending this
you pay with your time or your money, it's still gambling
>>344215686
What's wrong with it?
>Doesn't interfere with the gameplay in any way
>Zero secondhand market
>Everything unlockable over time
I honestly don't see the problem
There's no carrot or stick here. The only people who are affected by this are idiots with more money than sense.
>>344217383
The collectors edition content cant be unlocked through playing the game you autistic shill
>>344217826
>you pay with your time
what
you unlock them by playing the game which you would do anyway
why are you so buttraged that you can't look like a cute girl in a specific outfit immediately?
>It's another "I want everything and I want it now" thread
Stop posting
>>344217826
Unlockables you earn through grinding have been a thing since videogames were a thing. This is not something new, you fucking sperg.
>>344217915
>The collectors edition content
What content is that?
>>344217915
This isn't MN9 here, the people who wanted to shell out for the 20 bucks worth of extra skins get to have those as their little dick waving joy.
The autistic one is you.
>>344217925
>>344218046
>literally defending this
ok, wow
>>344218317
>not being able to defend your opinion
ok, wow
>>344215686
>Buying cuckboxes
>>344218317
just UGH wow can you FUCK OFF????
Are you poor or something? I have literally 6 million $$$ and can buy all the loot boxes I want.
>>344218317
>Wanting everything unlocked right from the beginning
Why? You'd only be asking for more shit in a weeks time. Its nice getting a loot box every time you level, even if you don't get anything you want. It's still fun opening it and crossing your fingers.
>>344217915
collectors edition doesn't give you any extra content bub
>>344218692
Why the fuck would someone want to wait for fucking content? That's fucking retarded. Imagine having to play 100 games in dota to unlock a new hero
>>344218818
>a costume that you never see because it's a first person game is now considered "content"
>>344218779
"The Overwatch Collector's Edition is packed full of goods to enhance your experience, along with all of the in-game bonuses and Origin Skins bundled in Overwatch: Origins Edition"
All my kek
>>344218818
>this is what underage actually think now
>>344218317
>haHa I was just pretending to be retarded, got em ;)
>>344218965
Yes it comes with the same skins that come with the $60 version. There is no exclusive CE content or skins
>>344218317
>waaaah I don't understand how unlockables work
Don't want to work in game for it, don't want to pay for it. Gimmie gimme gimme all for free.
sad.
>>344215686
>Only cosmetics
>Does not affect gameplay in any way
Don't fucking buy them, then. They give you one free every time you level up anyways.
>>344218971
>i want to pay $1 per lootbox because content shouldn't be provided to players who buy a $60 game
>this is what underage actually think now
>>344218584
Can you buy me some boxes? Is that a thing?
>>344219173
>he doesn't think you can get loot boxes without buying them
oh kiddo, so much to learn
>paid for the game
>not owning every content on the this
>"b-but it's just cosmetic!!!!!111!!!!!"
>>344218818
>Thinking skins is somehow content
Are you actually fucking retarded?
>>344218818
It's just a bit of fun. What the hell is your beef? Nothing you unlock has any effect on the game itself. It's not as if people who can afford to buy a billion loot boxes are gonna be getting stuff which will make them stronger than you or anything like that. I really don't understand the hate for this system of unlocking stuff gradually as you play. I mean, you're gonna be playing the game anyway, right? So what's the problem?
Just play the game and have fun.
>>344218818
>cosmetics that don't affect gameplay is comparable to unique playable characters
i think you should make a thread about any non dota 2 moba rather than overwatch my friend
>>344219340
So which costume is it that you want so badly? I mean you made a thread on an anime imageboard to cry about it. It must be one hell of a skin
>>344219505
>being triggered by anime posters
>>344218965
>this guy is so retarded he mixed up collectors edition with origins edition
all my keks
>>344219587
I am an anime poster
>>344218818
>waaah I want everytthing handed to me for free!
pathetic
>>344219340
>have to grind for coins in splatoon to buy items from shops
>can't own all the content off the bat
WOOOOOOW
>>344219340
this is actually a legitimate point, but people cried for a progression system and cosmetics are the most benign things you can put in a progression/unlock system without botching the game to hell so they made it this way
>>344219651
>Defending paid for on disk exclusive dlc
>>344219760
>for free!
The game already costs money.
>>344219897
at the end of the day its cosmetic, you can say its blizz being jews all you want but it doesn't hurt the game in any way shape or form unless you just hate the principal of playing games made by people that wants more money
>>344215686
Only autists would pay for that shit
>be lvl 40
>care less and less about the skins more as I play
because this game is full of bullshit like 50/50
i wouldn't mind it if they didn't design the unlocks exactly like a fucking free to play grind to tempt you as much as possible to buy them
you are literally paying to put up with sacrifices made to play a game for free, its unacceptable.
I'm okay without microtransactions in a F2P game but a game with a price tag (ESPECALLY 60 dollars) has no business doing it.
I hated it when Dead Space 3 did it, I hated it when Overwatch did it. Anybody who supports this shit should be ashamed of themselves and remember that YOU are part of the reason why the industry is shit today
>>344220689
>not having a costume that you never see because the game is entirely first person is a "sacrifice"
Kids these days have no idea what the fuck real struggle is jesus christ you're going to get laid out by life
I haven't even gotten a decent skin in weeks. I don't really care anymore.
>>344220689
>giving into temptation
What's it like having a weak soul?
>>344220857
Don't buy it then.
As simple as that.
I've never bought a box and I have tons of shit.
>>344220857
its to subsidize for the free updates in the future, more people buying boxes=more money to use to make maps/new characters/skins
or would you rather pay money for those dlc instead of having an optional micro transaction that others enjoy using that subsequently fund your future free content?
or maybe you are entitled to all content for free forever after paying $60?
>>344216285
How do you know that the OP is a leaf?
>>344220975
im not even talking about the skins themselves, im talking about the method to unlock them
its slow grindy and random, its frustrating but you put up with it in F2P because you are playing a game for free.
with overwatch you still get that random grind for unlocks, but you don't even get the game for free. all the downsides, none of the upsides
>>344215686
Cosmetics that have zero gameplay value.
Everyone flips shit even tho you earn them like every 10 mins of gameplay
>>344221491
Because lootboxes don't cost that much in non-colonies
>microtransactions are purely cosmetic
>can earn the same items just playing the game for fair amount of time
Blizzard are one of the few good ones left in this industry.
>>344221619
>playing the game is a grind
>not entertainment
So what would the game be without unlocks? Would it still just be a grind?
Funny how the people who complain about the loot boxes are not the ones who play the game. There shit loads of people who don't even know there are buyable loot boxes.
>>344221673
Poor Canadians.
>>344215781
Bulk buy yo.
Buy more, get a discount.
>>344215686
>it's okay if valve does it
These are the same people that support csgo gambling
>>344221937
That's exactly what they want you to do, you dumb sonovabitch!
>>344217267
> Takes about 8 games to level up
If you play solo and perform poorly, sure.
>>344221786
fucking hell you are dense
THE METHOD TO UNLOCK SHIT is a grind
please learn to read
>>344218818
You do. Skins drop randomnly in dota too
>buying boxes now when new skins are being announced on the 21st
>>344220689
More like once you earn a few boxes and realize it takes about 5 to get a skin, your desire to pay for them completely disappears
>>344221937
$1 each
$1 x 50 crates = $50
50 crates = 59.95
???????????????????
>>344222215
>THE METHOD TO UNLOCK SHIT is a grind
The method is playing the game in the same exact way as you would if there were no unlocks.
So answer the question, if there were no unlocks, would playing the game still be a grind?
>>344222278
They won't drop from the same boxes, blizzard already said this
>>344222314
it's a discount for blizzard, not the consumer
>>344222314
oh fuck i dont know why I thought that was backwards that is some bullshit
>>344222314
see
>>344216285
>>344221491
>>344221673
>>344221923
It's canadian monopoly money
>>344222314
2$ per crate
I wouldn't mind if there were a way to earn coins (or whatever the currency is called) outside of loot boxes. Give 10 coins each time you finish a match or something. Just give people the chance to save for the skins they want with a steady income of coins.
>tfw playing the game
>tfw unlocking the skins I want by playing the game and leveling up
>mfw people would reather shitpost about not having shit when they could play to unlock it
pooper piddled shitposters
>>344222823
Thatd be cool. I'd really prefer to be able to sell some of the shit I don't need, like all these sprays and shit
>>344222823
level 120 something here, once you get a lot of sprays and stuff every crate will have at least one duplicate resulting in that 10-50 credits per
>>344215686
You can get them for free, but you knew that already
>>344222346
no, the grind is playing loot box slots for random drops
they could have just given you a couple hundred gold every level so you could guarantee that skin in a set amount of time, but then you could just play the game and not even consider buyying those jew crates.
the random nature of the unlocks is the problem. you think you added sprays because it was a cool feature?
nah it there to pad out the loot boxes so you don't get the cool shit
awh you dind't get that skin?, maybe buy 50 more boxes for more chances to get it!
>>344223263
>no, the grind is playing loot box slots for random drops
For somebody saying I'm incapable of reading this is pretty funny.
If everything was auto-unlocked. Would playing the game still be grinding? Because that is how you get crates now, playing the game and you said that is grinding.
>>344215686
This gacha cancer from chink games is now spreading to the west. FTC should just ban it (or make it X-rated) as its a form of gambling.
Blizzcucks baka
>never spent money on a loot box
>got the only legendary skin I wanted from a box ages ago
>reach level 80 just by having fun
>got 2600 gold in the bank
>no desire to spend any of it
If retards want to spend real money on skins when it's this easy to get them for free, more power to them.
>>344223263
There is literally a finite limit on the amount of loot boxes it takes to unlock everything because repeats give you coins to buy things
Underaged pls go
>>344220857
Everybody who plays modern games supports this shit, which is practically every person playing videogames, including you.
It's just how the industry is, and no amount of bitching about "ruinan muh industree" is going to change anything.
>>344218317
I know, right? Like WOW, I can't believe it.
>>344220857
Companies are more greedy today and now need contentious revenue off a single product. So it is either microtransations or mappacs and/or expansions that would divide the playerbase.
>>344223263
>awh you dind't get that skin?, maybe buy 50 more boxes for more chances to get it!
Or play 200 games and get enough gold to buy anything you want. It's not that bad.
Just to put my understanding of the argument into this thread:
>It's only cosmetic
Cosmetic content is still desirable content with value. It's a LOT less valuable than gameplay but it's entertainment which is what a game is all about. Especially considering how much popularity exploded just on the character designs and porn, you really can't say the cosmetic stuff doesn't have value.
>It's an option and you can get them for free
You pay with time and currently loot boxes come in pretty thin, about one box an hour and that box could be a grey grey blue grey of skins and voices. F2P games make the time cost of their content really high so that the value of using money is greater and you're more likely to do that. While not as bad as F2P games, the current rate of getting loot boxes is a foot on the grind side. You shouldn't get all the cosmetics for free because there's value in earning your boxes, but the current rate is pretty low. 2 boxes per level up would be reasonably comfy, about 3 boxes per play session. Having a pay option means there's no incentive to increase the EXP rate since they can say "if you want more just pay" which is F2P mentality.
>>344221472
Dota 2
>>344224030
I spent £10 on 13 loot boxes, cos fuck it, I had the money there was only one skin I really wanted (Mercy Imp skin, of course). I wasn't about to spend the money on something more worthwhile and now I have the one skin I wanted I don't care about loot boxes. I have about 1400 in the bank I don't know what to do with.
My only criticism of the whole loot box thing is the fucking duplicates. Loot boxes are already filled with enough junk no one will ever use, 90% of sprays and voice lines are of no interest to anyone, if they want a particular spay or voice line for their heroes then those are the only ones they want, people are hardly switching up their sprays and voice lines all that often. But not only are you likely to earn junk you won't ever use, you can't sell it for full price so you can buy things you do want to use, instead if you get it again you get a small fraction it's value given to you. Literally making worthless junk, even more worthless
>>344215686
You just need to stop being a fag that takes cosmetics so seriously. This game is casual as fuck that rewards players for literally just playing. You don't have to do anything different from just playing the game to "grind" loot.
>/v/ hates unlockables now
>>344224987
>you get money from getting a duplicate
>that money isn't a large enough sum for my taste so it's LITERALLY NOTHING
Video games haven't been keeping up with inflation. A standard console game has been $60 for several years already. I rather pay $60 for a game and not spend a cent on useless cosmetics than spend $75 to get all of it and never use it.
In fact I'm glad blizzard went against the trend of making it locked behind a paywall or pay2win garbage.
>>344215686
You get a crate every time you level up.
You have unlimited levels.
There are hardly that many items.
You accumulate gold to buy what you want in crates and for duplicates.
There is literally no reason to ever buy loot crates unless you are an autistic child with an addiction and/or a for profit streamer. You will get what you want simply by playing the game a modest amount.
>>344225435
>Video games haven't been keeping up with inflation
Yes they have through digital distribution. Even non-digital games don't come with manuals anymore. There have been tons of ways publishers have been cutting costs over the years to keep up with inflation.
>>344224787
>Companies are more greedy today and now need contentious revenue off a single product
Um...
>buy game at ordinary retail value
>everything you need to play is and will be free
>company has to pay to run the servers for years
>company has to pay for bug fixes and updates
>no paid DLC
>no pay to unlock characters
>no exclusive map packs
>no subscription fee
>cannot pay money to unlock anything that might affect gameplay
>can pay for boxes of random cosmetic items
>boxes that could be unlocked by levelling up (roughly 1 level per hour after level 22)
>"lol companies r so greedy! xD"
>>344224958
>You pay with time
Oh shit nigga, you gotta actually spend time and play the game to unlock shit? I guess Megaman is bullshit for locking off Wily's Castle at the beginning of the game instead of being accesible from the start. I mean shit, you have to pay time to unlock content on the cartridge.
I'm really glad /v/ wasn't around when MvC2 was released
>What do you mean I have to pay with my time to unlock all the characters? Why can't I have them all now? FUCKING CAPCOM!!!!!!
>>344225328
Haha, good one.
>>344225078
Why not have both? Play the game and get more loot while you do? Make loot boxes 50 cents each too while you're at it, a dollar's crazy.
>>344218818
It's always worked this way friendo
The only difference between now and before is before you could type in a button combo to unlock everything via cheat codes.
Why would someone spend money on boxes? Most skins are pretty terrible anyways.
>>344225331
>that money isn't a large enough sum for my taste
Pretty sure it's 5% of it's cost.Why include that? What advantage is there to having a tiny fraction of the value of an item you already have? Why not just replace it with actual money drops? Why no replace it with items you don't have? Why not make it possible to sell duplicates for a decent price to make it easier to buy things you actually want?
>>344224958
>You pay with time
If you "pay" instead of "enjoy" your time with the game, then maybe, just maybe you shouldn't play it in the first place
>>344225627
I'm just saying they're not free, there's a cost attached and I think it's too high, but it's not the only reason you play. What's wrong with wanting the same gameplay but getting a few more boxes for the same effort?
>>344225969
You can have both though. Enjoy playing the game and have fun getting more boxes while you do. To hyperbolize in the opposite direction, if it took twice as long to get a box the gameplay is still the same but the loot box system on it's own is bullshit.
>>344225969
>mock casuals
>insist games should be all about enjoyment
Pick one.
>>344225953
It's not 5% it's 25%
That's not a negligible sum
>>344226170
>Enjoy playing the game and have fun getting more boxes while you do
Well the quicker you "have fun getting more boxes" the quicker you'll run out of fun aka. you'll unlock everything you want quick and stop giving a shit about the whole system. While it might be ok for you, because maybe you don't like the crate system, there's a lot of people that are complete opposite.
>>344226380
>mock casuals
???
>Get a crate every level you gain for free which is like every 40 minutes or so(even faster if in the beginning or just prestiged)
>dont even have to buy or wait for a keydrop like in valve games to open the crate
>get 4 fucking things instead of just one thing in the crate
How is this wrong?
>>344226620
Not them but 25% is kinda shitty when it's an epic box earlier on. At least when the box just gives you money it's 50% it's rarity value.
>>344216828
Well for one you can't buy a "disc" without that content. For another that version of the game costs $40.
>>344226832
People think 40 minutes is a bit much for something that's random and could be a grey grey blue grey of sprays and voice lines. Is there anything wrong with wanting them every 20 minutes instead? Over a dollar per box is also pretty overkill if you did want to go that route, I'd cut that price in half as well.
>>344227113
FUCK YOU!
>>344226001
When people talk about free content, they are almost exclusively talking about having to pay money to get the content. Saying content isn't free because you have to actually play the game to get it, regardless of the time it takes, is incorrect and manipulative. Sure you pay to get the game, but when all the content on the disc is accesible by playing the game, complaining about it amounts to whining about it.
Yeah I hate games with progression that's locked behind "time investment". I should be able to get competitive rank 100 right away, I already paid for the game so why am I locked out of this until I put in time and effort to grind ranks?
>>344227105
>4-5 matches is a bit much
Those people are fucking stupid.
im barely level 70 and I have almost every skin and intro I could possibly want
also guess what /v/, having them didnt improve my in-game performance at all, so whats the fucking deal
>>344223493
>guys i just heard about this thing called the FTC a couple weeks ago when the csgo scandal broke
FTC's consumer affairs deals with deceptiveness and fraud. they aren't the legislature, they don't get to decide what is or isn't gambling or whether it's legal. unless the developers are fundamentally misleading consumers about what they can get or what their chances are, the FTC can't touch them
>>344227441
You're right I might be hyperbolizing the terminology a bit but I'm still comparing it to F2P games. You can technically get a full game out of many F2P games but they're intentionally designed to be so drawn out and take so long that the only enjoyable way is to fess up cash. The loot boxes are random, contain a lot of garbage, and come in so slow that it's touching this territory. It's not NEARLY as bad, but it's not terribly fun either. You shouldn't get them all automatically which is what I meant by 'free', but you should get them at a rate where you feel reasonably satisfied. An 40-60 minutes or over a dollar per box is a bit high, I'd cut both values in half.
>>344226916
What level are you?
Once you get past 50 it really starts adding up
>>344227769
Games are about fun not 100% about performance and cosmetics have fun value. You can argue that you think the current rate is fine, which is fine as an opinion, but to say they aren't worth anything because they don't affect performance is just silly. They could have made the whole game look drab with characters having the same lines and it wouldn't affect gameplay, it'd be boring as shit though.
>>344228158
In the 70's and you're right, coin totals aren't that bad. I'm more just thinking of getting duplicate epics which I've gotten. It's a pretty big slap when it's going "Not only did you not get a coin box, we're giving you half of a coin box".
>>344228150
But it's not a purely accurate comparison to F2P games. F2P model is when items that make your character more powerful are locked behind money or RNG. Overwatch loot boxes are for pure aesthetics. Nothing in the boxes make your heroes play better.
>>344228739
So what? You're lucky they gave you any value for it at all. Stop whining about something you'll never change
>>344215686
YOU
DON'T
HAVE
TO
BUY
THEM
>>344228907
No I did address that. Games are about enjoyment and cosmetics factor into that. Gameplay is FAR more important but that doesn't mean cosmetics are worth nothing. Like no one who dislikes the current lootbox system ever says it's ruined the game for them, it's just a single flaw that's a bit annoying and blizzard has no real incentive to improve it because that would mean making less money.
The F2P comparison is only meant for the tactics involved, not the potency.
>>344229143
Again, considering how much this game has exploded in it's art design, characters, and porn, it's just ridiculous to say cosmetics aren't worth considering period.
If everyone was just a regular WWII solder with regular military lines in generic war zones it wouldn't be remotely as popular for the same gameplay.
>>344228965
>can't be bothered to have a pool of items that decreases as you unlock
>can't be bothered to organise an online market place to sell and trade items
>can't be bothered to at least allow you to sel unwanted items
>instead insert a mechanic that gives you a tiny amount of in-game currency when you get a duplicate
>"You're lucky they give you anything at all!"
Fuck off.
>>344229286
Being rank 100 factors into my enjoyment, so why can't I be rank 100 to start with?
Also winning factors into my enjoyment, Blizz should make me win all my games.
>>344229542
>I don't like how they did it
> :*(
shut the fuck up already the system is perfectly fine if you're past the point of getting all those sprays and voice lines
>>344229651
Going too far in the gain direction breaks it in the opposite way. There's earning and there's grinding, individual loot boxes have value but not very much individually. I'm only saying they should come in at say 2x the rate and cost half the money price so that it feels like you're getting the right amount of boxes for what it takes to gain them.
Would you say the opposite, that there's no problem in making them take 10 hours to get and cost 5$ each?
>>344230254
Are you kidding me?
>i'm not happy with how quickly I'm getting boxes blizzard should give me more boxes NOW because i'm impatient and can't wait through 8 games
>>344229859
>Never have an opinion, don't try to improve things
You just said it yourself the sprays and voice lines are kinda pointless. Complaining about the system includes saying things like "Why can't we sell sprays and voice lines we don't want to creep closer to the stuff we actually want?"
>>344229859
>if you're past the point of getting all those sprays and voice lines
But you're never past that point dipshit, because there are more sprays+voice lines than there are skins, and because you can get duplicates, you will always et sprays and voice lines. A recent box of mine was 3 sprays I already had and a common skin for Symmetra
>>344230497
You didn't answer my hypothetical. If you're just saying you think the current rate is fine then cool, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with thinking that. I'm just correcting the hyperbole of saying "We should have everything immediately" because that's an over exaggeration.
>>344215686
>$1.20 per lootbox
Why would you even
>>344216729
This
I got all my cool shit through standard leveling and anything I really wanted I just bought with credits from those same loot boxs.
It technically a "pay to skip" model, but since it literally doesnt impact the gameplay in any way its sort of dumb to complain about. The option to buy the skip is there to milk idiots and super rich idiots.
What we should be talking about is THIS bullshit. What the actual fuck blizzard? This skin costs 1000 credits and you toss be a laughable 20% for my incredible bad luck? At least throw me a 50% on these fuckin yellows you greedy bastards.
>>344229530
But the default skins are better in almost every case
I wish people would stop calling cosmetics "content."
It's like they forgot what real paywall, day 1 on disc bullshit is. ME3 wasn't even that long ago.
>have a little less than $5 inPSN store credit
>don't have anything I want to buy
>tfw seriously considering buying some crates
someone stop me
>>344218818
Dota 2 has the same model as overwatch except there actually are skins locked behind real money
Why aren't you complaining about that?
>>344230793
your hypothetical isn't even relevant because they will never do that but it would be perfectly fine because the boxes only give you cosmetics.
>>344230545
>>344230560
Once you get the sprays the first time every additional time you get them will be free credits
the more you have the more likely you are to get free credits from the box
>>344225607
I almost agreed with you but then I remembered games of the past did this without microtransations. Games of the past allowed you to even have any skin you want via mods. Because they sell skins there will never be player made skins so we have less freedom now.
>>344231356
Just because it's not atrocious like ME3 doesn't mean it isn't annoying and can't be improved.
>>344231076
It's kinda my whole point about how stupid it is to say "Stop complaining about skins ever!" because it's stupid to say that the system is either so valueless or so perfect that it can't be mentioned at all.
You seem to think the rate of loot boxes isn't annoying but the duplicate/coin shit is fuck stupid and could be improved. That's completely fine and what you are and aren't comfortable with. I care more about getting more boxes in general so that at the end of a session you have more than one box to open up for fun and the odds of walking away with only grey grey blue grey at the end of the day is less and that's just me.
It's something you don't like and think could be improved in some way what's wrong with that?
>>344231172
Incorrect. Mercy's legendary skins are pretty great. So are Zenyatta's, Bastion's, Hanzo's Symmetra's, D.va's,McCree's, Reaper's, Reinhardt's, Pharah's epic skins are pretty cool. At the very least, many characters look better in different colour skins
>>344219856
A grind for better game balance can be fun too. Look at WoT, WoWS, and Warthunder.
>>344231736
The hypothetical is relevant because it further establishes your view on the value of cosmetics. By answering it you've established that both positive and negative you think cosmetics have almost no real value, which is fine as your opinion but where we fundamentally disagree.
>>344231736
>Once you get the sprays the first time every additional time you get them will be free credits
Yes, and the value of these is what we're arguing over. What, maybe 5 credits? How long before you can get that legendary skin you wanted at 5 credits for every duplicate spray you get?
Why not instead, allow you to sell duplicates for more? Why not remove duplicates entirely and replace them with action money drops. How is getting 25% on a duplicate better than having no duplicates or replacing duplicates with their actual value or more?
>>344232607
>their actual value
they have no value whatsoever, and I'd be fine with duplicates not giving anything
>>344232341
just because you can pay money for them doesn't mean they have value
>>344231580
Dota 2 is free to play
all my kek
So are you supposed to get matched with 5 shitters every competitive game or does everyone just carry their entire team every game?
>>344218965
>>344219897
jesus christ summer just go away please just stop posting
>>344232809
Again, we fundamentally disagree on that point because I think the desirability of cosmetics give them some value in a game made so popular by it's artistic design.
If you think they have no value at all then that's fine, but the argument is at an impasse because it's down to one opinion vs another so there's not much point going further there. It's fine to agree to disagree.
>>344233396
But you can't trade them
that argument works for games like TF2 with expensive hats, but all the hats in overwatch are just hats
>>344225742
I miss this so much. No games have any secrets anymore. Dark Souls is the only thing that comes close.
>>344233524
Tradability adds more value to them but I don't think that a lack of tradability invalidates their value. I'll never pay money for a loot box but I still think the cost should be cut in half because 1.20$ is ridiculous.
it's amazing how we've reached the point in time where people will literally go to depths end to defend microtransactions simply because it's cosmetic.
>b-but you don't have to buy them!
microtransactions are cancer, period.
>>344234002
It's war wounds. Microtransactions have been so deeply shitty in the past with F2P and EA blushit that cosmetic only microtransactions understandably look EXTREMELY favorable.
>>344234002
I'll also play devils advocate and say it's possible to have good micro-transactions, just there's little incentive for any company to actually do it.
For example if it were laughably cheaper to buy all the skins, say 10$ gets you every current unlock and loot boxes are more common, they'd be serving the actual positive purpose of the things, spending cash to skip ahead instead of using time.
It's just too tempting for a company to start to tease their playerbase's sense of patience so that they're just a little more inclined to pay up out of frustration rather than need.
>>344234002
>>344234147
You're just on a pointless crusade against microtransactions on principle and it's retarded. I dont think any content should be off limits to a player who cant afford it or simply doesnt want to have to pay extra. I dont think anyone should be able to buy themselves an advantage either.
But what you have here is an online only game, that is intended to be the next big IP for Blizzard, they're expecting it to last for years to come and that will mean constantly adding new content, new maps, new heroes, etc but they have specifically said you will never have to pay for heroes or maps or anything like that, and there's no subscription fee.
The money for this shit has to come from somewhere, do you expect Blizzard to take funds from it's other IPs? Do you think the retail sale of the game alone will cover the costs of sustaining it for years to come?
The only things you can buy in game is a a box of random crap that negligibly alters hero's appearances, why is that an issue? The money to sustain the game isn't going to appear out of thin air
>>344234002
Nit picking and making post bitching about the small things in games is actually the shit killing this industry. Industries have their flaws, but not utilizing the flaws make the flaws nonexcisting.
It's actually ridiculous that Blizzard fanboys defend this shit so much.
The loot crates are one problem, but the game also has less content than most F2P games out there right now. Yet Blizzdrones paid $40 - $60 for it and then proceed to buy crates too.
Also I can't wrap my head around this
Battlefront had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Brink had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Destiny had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Street Fighter V had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Overwatch had a lack of content on release
>"10/10"
Why? Because Blizzard's fan base is the most retarded of them all
>>344235268
see
>>344234726
>>344235441
I don't understand your last part but why would it be bad to suggest improvements to those flaws? Like the anon above, they're fine with the loot box rate but say the duplicate refund value is too low, that's fine to point out.
>>344215686
>more than a dollar per box
holy shit, and you usually get nothing but garbage out of them.
>>344235268
>The money to sustain the game isn't going to appear out of thin air
You're delusional if you think they actually need microtransactions to "sustain the game"
>>344235525
This guy is a total faggot but when he's right he's right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTsJZD3YFQ
>>344235525
Honestly with how insanely popular the characters and setting are, I'm amazed they put so little effort in the story within the game. They spend so much of starcraft making Kerrigan into a waifu space angel but in a game that people obsessed over even before release they don't even bother to add their lore videos into a bio tab in game.
>Never spend a dime on boxes
>Just play a shitton because I think the game is fun
>Get every single skin I wanted
>Coins just pile up now and I can piss them away whenever I want something
>>344232058
The system is a little flawed for sure, but 'no one should ever have to resort to buying loot' was my point.
Its a byproduct of just playing the game and enjoying it, and I think a majority agrees that its a pretty fair way of distributing these signs of "prestige" and opulence. Cause at the end of the day thats what they are, opulent little trophies you use to 'show off' or be a cool guy.
Is it really so wrong that you put in some work for that kinda stuff? I mean lots of games make you work for prestige an shit.
>>344216380
But nobody is forcing you to buy anything. You can unlock everything by just playing the game, the microtransactions are just there for the spergs who need their character to look a certain way for their POTG screens.
>>344235993
I keep spending my shit the second I get it, you'll probably be on top when they start releasing new stuff.
>>344236089
>'no one should ever have to resort to buying loot'
You're right and I agree with you there. My argument is just I think the current rate is uncomfortable and could be improved. It's nowhere near bad enough to make me want to actually pay or to hamper my enjoyment of the game.
It'd just be nice to have 2-3 boxes at the end of a session to open, rather than 1 that could easily be a grey grey blue grey (with duplicates!).
As for prestige, I'd be fine with getting more boxes but the epic stuff costs more/is rarer. Make the recolors easy to get but the legendaries still come in at the current rate or even rarer.
>>344235993
Buy a legendary skin for new hero when it comes
>>344235525
>Because Blizzard's fan base is the most retarded of them all
Never played a Blizzard game in my life. Quick play only got stale after a few weeks and soon after that they had competitive so I don't really care. More importantly competitive is complete shit right now, if anything quick play now seems 10 times better in comparison. Pretty sick of my skill ranking getting fucked because other people are quitting
>win, flatten enemy team
>cry babies rage quit near the end
>Blizzard algorithm: "durr 6v5 isn't fair, we need to reduce the skill you earned!"
>receive less than 10% of what you would've earned if everyone had stayed til the end
>player on your team quits
>lose match
>skill you lose is exactly the same as if you'd lost a fair 6v6 match
>play 10 games where someone quits and you receive less xp
>lose 1 single match under any circumstances, completely wipes out any progress you made
>>344216828
Do you complain about CoD and Battlefield having guns locked behind XP walls?
>>344236143
No one forces you to pay in a F2P game either. It's the same sort of mentality though, teasing your sense of patience so that you're more inclined to pay up. Don't get me wrong though, it's not NEARLY as bad as a F2P game by any respect. It's just that people expect that shit in a F2P game because that's where the money you save from not buying the game actually goes. People feel that paying full price for Overwatch should mean that there's no question that they aren't being manipulated even if only a little bit by the micro transactions. The fact that the whole thing is randomized, duplicates give you even less than just getting a coin box, and no ability to sell stuff you don't want leans further into that mentality of teasing your frustration so you want to just pay and get it over with faster.
It's like adds on on a streaming site. You can pay to get rid of them or be patient and ignore them but the show itself is the same.
>>344227002
Seeing as it needs to be there to be able to see it on other players, I don't get your point.
>>344236949
Like if the loot system were exactly the same but there were no microtransactions, then you could argue that blizzard honestly thinks this is the most enjoyable way to unlock cosmetics. You could argue they're thinking long term or anything like that and maybe they'll improve it in some way if something turns out to be bad like if you don't like getting only 25% for duplicates.
The presence of Microtransactions, and expensive ones at that, means they have an insentive to make the free option intentionally bad because then people will lean more toward giving them money. If there's any problem with the system, ignoring that problem is still a benefit to them in one way.
There's literally nothing wrong with charging for cosmetics that don't affect gameplay.
>>344236518
Well if you havent looked into the system, lvl 1-30 are easy box gets, but after that you need a flat 22000(i think) for every level till 100. Once you hit 100 you'll level back down to 1 where you once again get 30 levels of easy boxs.
I dont know if you already knew this, but its the only thing I can think of that may help.
I wish you the best on the box hunt, anon.
>>344237458
But thats the thing, they're not even charging for cosmetics, you can get literally any of the cosmetics by levelling up, being awarded a loot box of items, and saving in game currency to buy things. If you can't be bothered to level up and earn the box, you can buy some.
Arguing against microtransactions in this particular case is even stupider than complaining cosmetics are behind paywalls
>>344237673
Nah I knew but I just think the 22000 rate is a little much. I'm looking forward to the 100 reset though, thanks for the consideration.
>>344236949
If you feel pressure to buy something that you don't need the problem is with you.
All it takes is willpower and not being an idiot.
>>344235669
You can address problems but OP and the guy I replied to isn't trying to do anything other than cause a shit show. They're not here to discuss anything, just bitch and moan about non problems in a game they don't like. Yeah it's kinda lame that there are buyable boxes. They're not intrusive and you get plenty by playing the damn game. There a lot of lame shit in games, i guarantee there's lame shit in everyone's favorite game too. It's all relative in the end and I'd rather people get pissy about real bullshit. Like the competitive being kanji as shit or how updates are slow because they have to match console updates.
I don't mind actual complaints, but salt filled rage posting that just grasps at straws is the filth not only killing the industry but also really filling the board with more shit day by day.
all those questions and problems and whatever can be answered easily: Who Gives A Fuck?
Is your life so empty that THIS is your biggest problem? you dont have financial issues? problems in the family? health problems? nothing else to worry about? a bunch of cosmetic items in some dumb fucking game is whats ruining your life? Who.. gives... a shit??
>>344237860
Nothing stupid with saying something could be more enjoyable. No one says this system is worse than most of the the existing microtransaction systems, just that it still has it's own flaws. Getting 25%, even less than a regular coin box, for duplicates is pretty stupid since it means you're getting less reward for opening many boxes rather than more, what's wrong with pointing that out?
>>344237949
Soldier on mah nigga
>>344238171
No one said this was their biggest problem or even that it significantly ruined this game.
By your logic the most important thing in your life right now is 4chan and.... I'm very sorry for you there and will get out of your way.Congrats on having that perfect financel, family, and health that complaining about people complaining is your own biggest worry though.
>>344237949
EIGHT GAMES
>>344238379
I'm too used to D.Va looking like a dorito goblin around soldier dad.
>>344238197
>Nothing stupid with saying something could be more enjoyable
How? How could it be more enjoyable? Theres fucking cosmetic changes that do absolutely nothing to affect your experience or the experiences of other players, you can unlock literally any of these changes simply by playing the damned game, earning the loot boxes, saving the in game currency. If you really want you can just pay for boxes and not have to level for them, and congrats, you paid real world money to dress your favourite hero a bit differently, with no impact whatsoever on the game. What about that makes the game less enjoyable than it could be?
that's the issue being discussed here, we're talking about the microtransactions, not the currency system.
>>344238417
look at this thread man, people are discussing it like it its some round table with all the world leaders sitting around trying to figure out how to combat a plague or something, look at this thread, people pull so much philosophy like its some important issue, who gives a fuck? a bunch of pixels piss you off so much you gotto start a useless thread? youre fucking miserable if such a tiny little shit manages to annoy you so much, focus on the good and youll become less of a miserable depressed fat sack of shit
>>344238498
If you think 8 games is the sweet spot for you then power to you. I just personally think 5-6 is comfier without going too far and making them free consolation prizes. I also think the epics are a bit to common and am fine with them being harder to get.
>>344215686
It's a F2P game with a 40$ Cash Shop activation
>>344238805
>4chan
>focus on the good
Pick one.Again, grats on the perfect life, Anon. Sorry an image board is your only trouble which grabbed your arm and made you read through a thread you don't like so you had to complain about how bad it is to complain :^(
>>344238835
8 games is what it is
it will never be 6, just accept it and stop being so impatient for something irrelevant
>/v/ is vehemently defending microtransactions (in any form)
>the argument is "you don't have to buy them", without realizing that the more leeway you give to companies, the more they'll start to put behind paywalls and more microtransactions
I never thought I'd live to see the day that /v/ likes and will actively defend microtransactions
Bravo Blizzard, bravo Activision, bravo. You've done it. You've won.
>>344239130
>Just accept something that could be better but won't be.
Because it's the thread topic and this is 4chan? There's also threads complaining about decade old games and nitpicking those, what's your point?
>>344222314
They cost 2 dollars each so there is a discount if you buy many at the same time. But why would you ever buy a box anyways? You get them for free all the time.
>>344239308
muh slippery slope
>>344239308
Keep in mind, people were also defending 30fps on a daily basis because something about an eceleb and "REEEEEE". There's no objective reason to WANT 30fps, but it still works so don't ever complain about it or you'll be agreeing with an eceleb on the internet.
>>344239362
It's fine that you don't like it but there's no reason to have sour grapes over something you'll never change.
If you really want to argue about it I think you're an entitled impatient brat who can't cope with the fact that the lights on the screen don't flash enough
>>344239308
>without realizing that the more leeway you give to companies, the more they'll start to put behind paywalls and more microtransactions
Are you actually this stupid? This isn't the beginning of microtransactions, this isn't that start of some slippery slope, this is a step away from it you useless fuck-nugget. We already have games with maps and DLC, weapons and perks,all sorts of things that legitimately affect gameplay, being put behind pay walls. People don't like it, Blizzard is aware of that, which is why literally nothing in Overwatch is, or will be behind a pay wall, it can all be earned, further more there seems to be no plans whatsoever for bonus items that affect gameplay regardless of whether they have to be bought or earned. Literally every additional thing is purely cosmetic and completely attainable simply by playing the game.Why? because people have had enough of microtransactions.
Anyone who has an issue with being able to buy boxes for cosmetics you inevitably get anyway must be a genuine retard with poor self-control.
>>344239908
b-b-but other people are getting things faster than me. It's not fair :(
>>344239643
>If you really want to argue
Why did you come to 4chan and why did you click on a thread nitpicking something you're fine with then? You could have gone to a thread with something you actually like.
>>344239819
Fucking this
>>344240071
I like to stumble from one internet fight to the next
it's a hobby
>>344239908
>>344240002
It's not about buying them, especially at the rate they're going you're right, it's terrible impulse control.
It's about how they could be improved in various ways, like just getting rid of duplicates or at least making them as valuable as the regular coin boxes. But that won't ever happen because the existence of a pay option means that anything wrong with the free option only makes pay look better by comparison.
Also anyone who says the loot system at all actually ruins their enjoyment of the game is also crazy, I just think it's a valid nitpick.
>>344240176
Meh, I can get that. I want to keep in practice with keeping my points of an argument clear and free of misunderstanding.
It's also just fun in general.
>>344240383
If duplicates were removed or made to give currency boxes, you'd literally be able to buy everything within a couple dozen levels.
>>344233882
>even if there were secrets like this you would find out instantly thanks to the internet
>>344239819
>Paying $2.99 for 2 loot boxes is a step away from microtransactions
Bravo Blizzard, bravo Activision, you've gone and confused people so much they don't know what they are saying. Mother fucking bravo.
>>344239819
You know I actually agree with you on that. I've been nitpicking half the thread but completely agree that what overwatch does have is still one of the best microtransaction systems I've seen. I just don't like how it's still behind the asking price in a game that ignoring the cosmetics, is pretty lacking in other areas. Call it a 2 step forward 1 step back, the current system is quite good and much better than most, but it's very unlikely it'll improve any further for this game. Perhaps on the next one.
>>344240590
>was is voluntary isolation
plebs
>>344240876
Yes, it is.
Boxes filled with cosmetics you get effortlessly just by playing. It doesn't even take long to get an assortment of skins for every hero, or for currency.
Not maps, or weapons, or characters.
How can you be so retarded?
>>344240580
You could tweak it in other ways too. Even with the current system i think epic skins are too common. Having more loot box drops in general satisfies my issue of only getting one prize after 8 rounds, but you could also make the higher tier skins cost even more so they're still things that take extra effort to earn.
Hell, you could just make it so that epic drops alone can't be duplicates just so you don't feel cheated on a rare drop, but leave everything below it the same and it'd still be a massive improvement.
>>344216380
It's an unfortunate norm but its nothing new.
Also
You don't have to buy it, everything can be purchased in game, it's all cosmetic and future maps, modes and heroes are free.
It's the lesser of two evil, which most games don't do.
>>344239094
what made you think i read anything in this shitfest of a thread?
>>344241705
Agreed, that's one of the things I think a lot of people miss in these arguments. As much as I've been complaining about the current loot system it both doesn't ruin my fun with the game and is FAR better than what most games in a similar place would do.
My complaints are more just that it's a little frustrating as is and is very unlikely to ever be improved in any way because that would translate into fewer Blizzard bux But yes it's still way better than most.
>>344239094
>le 4chan is angry grumpy
news flash asshole there are plenty of threads that focus on the good in games instead of taking a tiny fucking problem and turning it into some world disaster
>>344242000
Oh no! The one ruining your perfect life and forcing you to reply to internet video game threads is me! I'm so sorry!Shoot! I did it again! :^(((
>>344242139
>Talking about positive threads while participating in a negative one.
Coulda just filtered and moved on too.
If blizz actually wanted to be sellouts they would have made skins tradeable and marketable a la csgo and overwatch would be shitting out money.
>>344243027
You can be a little bit a sellout without going full csgo.
In the same vein, the game was crazy popular even before release just due to the character design and artistic design, I'm shocked they were so lazy with the world building and lore inside the actual game. Especially with how hard they worked making Kerrigan into a space angel made of light who's love story was the final note in a multi faction galactic war.
>>344243027
they don't have the infrastructure steam does to handle a market, just look what happened with D3
>>344239308
Dude, those situations already exist in games and they started to drive people away from those games. We already fell down the slippery slope, this is a step in the other direction and you guys still get all pissy about it when there are still worse examples in other games. It's just an overwatch shitposting thread.
>>344215686
since day 1, yes
but it's hard to tell who is sharing their genuine opinions or experiences, and who is just filling quotas for their social media spamming work
reminder that people who try to deflect about how social media spamming is made-up, are the people who are paid to do it in the first place. tons of them hang out here, and on twitter, and facebook and reddit and etc. it's all the same.
>>344244293
Nah man, I've already said several times pretty much the same thing. It's 2 steps forward and 1 step back and still far better than most games. But many are doing the opposite extreme to what you're saying. Instead of " It's still bad but a step in the right direction" you have people going "It's not the worst so shut up and stop complaining", still bad but in the other way.
>>344242275
you got serious mental problems, seek help
>>344245572
Thanks for the advice, but don't feel the need to reply to this! You have so many more important things to do!:^) <3
>>344245370
>the face of neo-/v/
>>344215686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smv8thwYfo
THIS LOOT BOXES ARE SO AWESOME LULKAPPASORANDOM
>>344215686
The biggest problem with paying for loot boxes is that you can't just get what you want, you have to pay for a CHANCE to get what you want. Imagine you went to a store and you had to pay $20 for a chance to get an item you want and they ranged from a candy bar to a (very rarely) a TV. A lottery for for simply shopping should be illegal.
>>344249464
Yeah, it's weird there's no option to buy coins, only boxes. It's one of the reasons people have lots of nitpicks, the system overall is better than most, but there's tons of little flaws that could be improved.
>>344215686
i will defend it because thats what keeps maps and characters free. dont care if some hat fags want to subsidize that shit for me.
>>344216589
You are a massive fucking retard for thinking that this wasn't planned from the beginning.
>>344250380
It's not a 'little' flaw though. Making what should be straight forward purchases into gambling is asinine.
>>344250604
It's hard to see the money angle with both how popular it is and that you had to pay up front.
>>344250745
So is the current rate of exp gain
So is all the skins and voice clips bloating your intake
So is duplicates being a thing
So is duplicates giving you even less than just coin boxes
So is ever getting a duplicate epic
They're all things that could be improved a little more to make it look less like they're trying to needle you for cash but you'll find plenty of people in the thread who want to ignore all that. The current system is very good, could still be better without going overboard in many ways.
>>344249464
>Imagine you went to a store and you had to pay $20 for a chance to get an item you want and they ranged from a candy bar to a (very rarely) a TV.
those stores exist and they are called casinos, anon.
>>344220340
>>344229143
>>344223154
>>344215803
>>344217908
>b-but only idiots would pay for lootcrates when you can earn that content so easily!
http://www.gamenationsa.com/2016/06/overwatch-made-270m-digital-sales/
the idiots are clearly their demographic then cuz they are funding this entire game singlehandedly.
>>344253853
Of course idiots are their demographic, it's a fucking mediocre anime shooter made by fucking Blizzard.
People should be thankful that the cases you get aren't locked behind a paywall like CSGO.
>>344219897
>paid for on disk exclusive dlc
You can unbox the origins skins you autistic fuck.
>>344254013
>Of course idiots are their demographic
now consider what an overwhelming amount of presence and lip service the game is given on this board
if people realize it's a cheap scam that has all the signs of a manufactured hype generator, these threads should die soon? but they won't of course, because /v/'s demographic is also idiots
>>344216828
>locked content
>in a fucking collectors edition
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES!
>>344254271
You won't see me arguing that point.
>>344254017
this shilling is literally reaching stupid high levels, what the fuck. i've never seen this before.
>>344250735
It wasn't, dumbshit. The earlier betas didn't have any progression and people fucking begged for something to work for so this is what Blizzard gave them in the end.
>>344254892
Jesus, talk about naive.
>>344253853
Do tell what exactly is wrong with that?
There is no shortage of people who have more money than time to spend on grindable content and giving them an option to skip the grind for FUCKING COSMETICS is entirely fine.
>>344254017
[citation needed]
>>344255035
Jesus, talk about cynical.
>>344255063
>There is no shortage of people who have more money than time
Oh yeah, it's fine to normalize nickel-and-diming! I mean the days of outrage over a $1 piece of mail-order DLC are so long past now, might as well just ramp things up and make it more and more blatant until we reach a point like this where it is defended, actually honest-to-fucking-god whiteknighted as a concept with value and how it's totally not anti-consumer because [loophole logic and /or semantics]
>>344250604
>i will defend it because thats what keeps maps and characters free
.... but you have to buy the game.
i don't comprehend.
>>344255149
The Widowmaker Noire and Jack Morrsion Soldier skins I've unboxed since buying the game.
>>344254834
>muh shills
You have to go back.
>>344255063
The rates could be better. Half the exp needed for free loot boxes, or just fix the shittier things like not being able to buy currency or everything about duplicates and then the free system is comfy enough that it doesn't tease you so much. Cut the cost of buying the boxes in half too because over a dollar for a random cosmetic box is insane.
Games run on enjoyment and cosmetics are obviously desirable.
The whole grind vs pay system is something we're used to in F2P games because it's like stream site ads. You watch for free with minor annoyance or you pay a little more and save your time. But since Overwatch had a flat pay rate we shouldn't have to deal with tactics that are clearly trying to manipulate your patience like ONLY getting loot boxes no matter which way you go.
It shouldn't feel like a grind to get loot boxes, they should feel like appropriate rewards for how long it takes to get them (and since you can still get 3 greys and a blue, you should get at least 2-3 per average session so you reasonably have something to look forward to). And the pay option should be cheap enough that you you wouldn't feel stupid for actually getting some. I'd potentially get some on a whim if they were like 50 cents each, over a dollar is insane. A higher pay price is all the more incentive to make free a little more frustrating.
>>344255460
What does it mean?
>>344255738
if you have to consider it a grind to get the things you want in a game, then maybe it's not a game you should be playing? Why play a game that's not fun to play?
>>344222314
Canada, New Zealand and Australia use $ as well. It's $2 for one crate in Australia. This is technically a discount for buying in bulk.
>>344255884
I'm only getting about half of it but it's the part where people are indeed actually defending the current box system using logic like:
>It keeps new content free
Then why did we have to pay up front?
>Who cares it's cosmetics
Then why not make them cost less if they don't matter so much?
>Stop complaining it won't change anything
Why just silently accept something that's bad and could be better?
Most of the reasons in this thread could easily be reversed with the same logic but people still steadfastly defend the microtransactions.
It's only rarely someone defends the system itself as it is like "I find the current exp gain rate to be satisfying between time it takes to get them and the value of a box". Which is fine as an argument. It's not "stop disliking something", it's not "deal with it", it's not "things have been worse so just accept the lesser of two evils" but an argument "I actually like how it currently is".
>>344255884
it means blizzard hired some very, very savvy marketers and visual design artists to animate and advertise overwatch
and their timing was absurdly perfect as well, dropped right on top of both battleborn and dirtybomb and completely blew away even the slightest hint of competition right away
and then the tracer pose thing conveniently happens amidst all the negative controversy over blizzard telling fans "you don't actually want this thing that you're up here asking us for right now". which nobody has mentioned at all since then.
so yeah whoever runs their marketing division right now definitely seems to know what they are doing.
>>344255989
No one is playing only for loot boxes, but they're something that could be done better. The same argument could be used if it took twice as much exp to get them or even if they were pay only. The point is that it's something that could reasonably be more satisfying without going overboard. The current system still edges into "intentionally frustrate to get more money" instead of "You already paid so this system is balanced to reward you just for play, only pay money if you honestly don't have the time to play enough"
>>344256343
>tracer butt
Actually blizzard was shockingly right on that one. They said that the over the shoulder pose was too boring for character as energetic as tracer. They removed it but replaced it with an 'in character' butt pose which was actually an improvement.
But on marketing, I still can't understand how they could gather so much popularity on characters and personality but have almost no story at all inside the actual game. Even something like just keeping their character videos in some sort of bio tab so it's there.
>>344256321
my guess is
>why did we have to pay up front
to cover the the initial cost of development since the game has been made and scrapped over and over, blizzard isn't gonna just let micro transactions bump that back into the green. That's how business is done. The wishful answer is to keep out shitters who just want to jump in and shit on everything because they have nothing to lose.
>then why not make cosmetics cheaper than they are if they don't matter
because several reasons, like giving people goals to work for since the community asked for a progression system. If everything was cheap, then you'd only play for 20 hours and got everything you can get. That's no good.
Also you got to start somewhere, they could be more expensive, they could have been cheaper and you can still argue that they're not cheap enough. They're priced the way they are because why not?
>Why just silently accept something that's bad and could be better?
because your opinion of something that's bad isn't universal. if you actually like the gameplay, then all of these complaints are really pointless since you'd be enjoying the game instead of worrying about microtransactions and skins. I've got like 40 hours of gameplay and I've gotten a legendary skin for almost all over the heros from drops or gold. I completely forgot buying crates were even a thing until this thread even. I've gotten a shit load of crates just from enjoying the game and it baffles me how hard it is for people to let the retards spell their own doom while they buy future bullshit for the rest of us who only dropped $40 on release.
>>344256820
It was all blatantly set up, the whole fucking thing just felt totally staged. the initial post which started the whole thing read like self-parody of the most stereotypical sjw nonsense, just lots of wordswordswords
every single reply disagreed with the OP and made fun of them for being fucking stupid, yet the pose was changed anyway. and then just a little while later, haha psych guys we changed it and it still shows her butt ;^)
all of a sudden, WAVES of support wash over blizzard, thread after thread of OH WELL I GUESS BLIZZARD WERE THE HEROES AFTER ALL GUYS!!! and SJW BTFO LOL!!! and so on. the fact the new pose was from a sexy pinup was also perfect because it is another easy thing to point out as proof that they 'weren't conforming' to PC culture
before the whole incident they were being shat on by the entire internet over the whole "you think you do but you don't" thing at Blizzcon, and how anti-consumer that response was, and how for just a moment people realized blizzard was not their friend and was not out to do anything for their fan's benefit. but then the tracer thing distracts the internet perfectly, nostalrius discussion dwindles and then completely vanishes, blizzard re-adds the pose, are seen as "the good guys" again, and now here people are, even defending lootcrates
>>344255460
You stupid fucking cuck. You do not even realize the difference between fucking DLC that's cut out of the game and cosmetics that ARE IN THE FUCKING GAME. That you can unlock by fucking playing. This is a thing that has been in vidya for fucking decades.
There is literally nothing in the game that you cannot acquire by fucking playing. There is literally nothing in the game that affects gameplay and is locked away.
Jeebus fucking shit, you are stupid. You are literally incapable of distinguishing nuance like a fucking ideologue.
>this thing is tangentially similar to this other thing that I am ideologically opposed to?
>THEY ARE THE FUCKING SAME!!!! BAN ALL OF IT REEEEEE!
Literally you, dumbfuck.
>>344256546
The more you play, the less you end up caring about the boxes. That's just how it seems for the lot of us. I've gotten a good load of skins just from playing. If you're getting frustrated with the amount, try not dropping out after every game you play. You get more exp for consecutive games. You also can group up with someone you gel with, get an extra boost. After you get a few legendary skins, you'll stop craving them since they just don't make a substantial difference to the player in game. It's really the smallest issue you can have with the game right now and it's just not really an issue to begin with unless you're only like 2 hours in.
If you literally git gud, then your problems will actually go away.
>>344256343
>and their timing was absurdly perfect as well, dropped right on top of both battleborn and dirtybomb and completely blew away even the slightest hint of competition right away
That's because both those games were rushed out to try and pre-empt overwatch. Blizzard is a massive target for industrial espionage. And it's one of the main reasons game developers never talk to the press, the second you show "hey look, we're making this" people try and copy it and cut you off.
>>344257672
lmao relax nerd
>>344257501
fair point actually
>>344257308
For the last one, I just would prefer to get crates more frequently since the present system feels too restrictive. It's a nitpick, I'm having plenty of fun with the game but that doesn't mean I can't point out flaws when I see them. I've gotten an epic duplicate before and that's pretty bullshit, especially when the reward then is only 25% the tier value.
If you're comfortable with the current system then honestly that's good for you, I just don't have the same opinion and think it could be tweaked to feel a little less nickle n dimey.
>>344257672
But blizzard are actively using tactics that free 2 play mobile games use all the time, why do you think lines and sprays exist? to pad the shit out of loot boxes and make it less likely to get the "good stuff"
It's an aggressive psychological bombardment technique, the trickle feed you get while levelling is made to frustrate and tempt you. And this is "fine" in free games, that's the price you pay to play the game, but overwatch charges, it shouldn't be using these techniques.
>>344215686
If the game keeps getting updates because retarded whales throw money at it, I'm fine with it. Why wouldn't I?
>>344257740
You're right and I do have a majority of the stuff I wanted, but it's just a nitpick like how there's next to no actual story in the game. The game as it is is very fun, but there's enough there that it could have been better. Like just having less of a slog that first time you get to the 22000 limit so you don't need to wait it out for them to eventually catch up.
>>344258076
Doesn't the opposite happen too? WoW starts to dip in subscribers so they get a new expansion out to make it seem fresh again?
>>344257308
>to cover the the initial cost of development
the development cost is fucking covered by the fact the game is made by BLIZZARD
A COMPANY WITH MORE MONEY THAN GOD
a company who has run a financially lucrative MMO for OVER A DECADE without every needing to go F2P, the people who made starcraft and therefore singlehandedly birthed the entire esports scene in korea (and then the entire world later on)
BLIZZARD DOESN'T NEED OUR MONEY TO COVER ANY FUCKING COST UNDER THE SUN.
>>344257961
I'd argue that sprays and voice lines have more than one purpose as well. You get some padding, but that's also your main coin income at later levels. By the time you get that first star, you just start getting a shit load of coins because of all your dupes. Now you can buy the shit you want.
Once you get everything you want, you're not gonna feel the urge to play anymore and well blizzard's gonna try to avoid that like the clap.
>>344257961
Right, that's kinda my point too. The current system is FAR better than most free to play games but the sensation of them still lingers in it. You shouldn't have to deal with duplicates or ONLY get random boxes even if you pay cash. The stink of the F2P model is the acknowledgement that all these little nitpicks in an otherwise good game will never actually be fixed because the worse the system is without instilling outrage, the more cash it rakes in, so why improve it?
Idealy, getting the cosmetics should be satisfying enough that you don't worry about the nickel and dime tactics and the pay model ONLY comes into play if you actually are one of those people who only gets a little game time a day and needs the boost to compensate the time.
>>344258278
>MORE MONEY THAN GOD
what a nonsensical phrase
every has more money than god, god doesn't need money
>>344257961
thank christ there is one person with an ounce of sense in this thread.
>>344258375
It'd be nice though if duplicates weren't even worse than just getting coin boxes which are already fairly disappointing. Having an epic duplicate is kinda a slap in the face early on.
I'm in favor of making loot box and coin rewards better, but at the same time making legendaries much more expensive. So early and mid time in the life you start raking in the commons but then you start saving up for the rare stuff.
As for longevity, seriously just make more skins. It sounds stupid but if nothing else they can toss in more recolors to buy time to make more legendaries.
>>344258426
i won't even ask if you're pretending to be retarded because i know you're not, which is pretty sad.
but the phrase is obviously not referring to Literal Fucking God, it's referring to the church. which DOES need money.at least, according to them.
>>344258464
I'm insulted after complaining for half the thread in the same vein.
>>344215686
Haven't played either of them but doesn't TF2 have loot crates that you have to buy keys for? Whats the difference?
>>344258757
TF2 is free.
>>344258757
TF2's Free to Play so that sort of thing is expected. Still bad, but expected.
>>344257961
Are you a fucking sheep?
No, honestly, serious question because that would only matter to you if you are a fucking sheep.
Do you seriously play the game for the progression because it dangles a carrot in front of your face and not because you enjoy playing it?
To any sensible human being the cosmetic progression is completely secondary, a nice little bonus on the side.
If it's something you actually obsess over then you are the problem, not the system.
>>344258757
Notable difference here is that you can't trade for stuff. Instead, if you have said item you get "gold" in which you can use to unlock what you don't have.
>>344258729
there's so much hyperbole and deflection anon, it's just hard to find those nuggets of real truth and if you are spreading them too, i appreciate it.
but this
>It's an aggressive psychological bombardment technique
is something more people need to 'wake up' and become aware of, not just in this game but in any games that use such manipulative tactics. it's ripped straight out of freemium games and no matter how "purely cosmetic" the rewards are, no matter how easy it may be to acquire those items through just playing the game, when you put in a "fast-track" shop, everyone who can fast-track, will.
>>344216380
>overwatch
>disc
>>344258278
>blizzard doesn't need our money
well that's pretty narrow minded of you. do you know nothing of how a business should work? If you have more money than god, then you need to spend a shit load of money to make a shit load of money. They're not going to be able to get away with just spending a few thousand on anything and expect to get ten thousand. They need to spend millions in order to make tens of millions. WoWs bleeding pretty hard these days (comparatively) and lets be honest, Diablo 3 just didn't end up being all that shit everyone wanted it to be on day 1. Apparently it's been through the ringer and made into a great game since then, but that ship has already sailed for too many people. Their moba was also a fucking failure too, hearth stone was a big break in recent years. A conglomerate like blizzard isn't going to just get by with just hearthstone either, they had a failed mmo that sucked a lot of money. even if they still had money up to their ears, they still could have had more if that mmo didn't get fucked.
Plus thank fucking god overwatch isn't F2P, I don't want to fucking just play hanzo or some shit in hopes of unlocking a road hog. F2P is shit.
>>344258856
>To any sensible human being the cosmetic progression is completely secondary, a nice little bonus on the side.
um dude have you been living under a rock, there's this game called csgo, maybe you haven't heard of it, but
>>344258856
No reason you can't acknowledge it as a nice little bonus that also uses F2P tactics. No one once in this thread has said the loot crates ruined the game for them. We're complaining about the loot crate system because that's the thread topic, what did you expect?
>>344259008
Our Console friends, Anon.
>>344258856
Have you considered that customisation is more important to some people than pure game mechanics? you do not possess the only way to enjoy games. I don't even play overwatch, I ain't paying that price, but I played in beta and it was fucking clear as day what Blizzard were aiming for.
And it doesn't matter how much you "don't care" these psychological attacks do function on you, these are extensively researched and well understood by companies that make free 2 play games. It doesn't ruin overwatch by any stretch, but it is a mark against the game, blizzard's business department should not be allowed to avoid the criticism it deserves for putting such a scummy thing into their game.
>>344259039
Diablo is not even close to being a failure it's a very well played game and it sold like crazy.
same with HoTS, blizzard have not had a commercial failure.
>>344258856
Why would pointing out a flawed system without going overboard and saying it lessens the gameplay be thinking like a sheep, but holding the opinion "Don't try to change something bad if it's not the biggest factor" is having an open mind? If you think the current system is actually good then that's fine, but you're advocating "It's bad but just ignore it" as a good idea.
>>344259115
Because it's a stupid fucking complaint about shit that doesn't matter.
People wanted progression and Blizzard gave them the best fucking progression system that can be made without affecting game balance.
The one and only reason people are mad is because there exists the option to buy loot boxes because that's what F2P games do and then red fucking letters flash in their minds and their brains stop functioning because
>F2P IS EVIL! NICKEL AND DIMING! MICROTRANSATIONS! AAAAAAH
Literally the mentality on display.
There is no solid, logical reason to disapprove of this system in this entire thread so far or any other thread before it.
>>344259067
its a
>im 16 and i just watched the h3 video and think i know what im talking about episode
csgo lets you trade skins for money and gamble them on a fucking website. you cant compare the two at all
also, i am level 120 in OW never bought a loot box and have a legendary(s) for almost every character
>>344259450
>People wanted progression and Blizzard gave them the best fucking progression system that can be made without affecting game balance.
Or they could just put them behind achievements and you unlock them by playing the game rather than rolling randomly and have the option to buy them.
You're defending a technique that is designed to whittle down your resolve until you spend money. And it does fucking work. No fuck off. Blizzard deserve criticism for this.
>>344258632
I'd imagine that there'll probably be better tier of legendaries later on that cost more and have a lower drop rate.That'll give retards the urge to buy boxes and everyone who's already got a lot of legendaries a reason to save their coin.
I'd personally that they just match the legendary dupe coins with the legendary coin rewards or something. It'll still feel like a slap, but that's just one of those things games just have as part of them. If you buy an item from the raffle house in an mmo and then get it later from a rare drop, that nigga ain't gonna get yo money back.
>>344259039
the F2P system wouldn't lock characters because the game's designed around being able to switch. In it's current state it would just make everything cost money and loot boxes much harder to get for free. It wouldn't change the gameplay, but think about how much duller it would be if that many more victory screens and play of the game windows just looked exactly the same because of the customization being that much rarer.
>>344259039
nice deflection but that's not what i said. i said they don't need the consumer to "cover the cost" of fucking anything they do, there is absolutely no excuse to plug freemium shit like lootcrates into the game unless blizz doesn't think the game would stay relevant without some kind of addictive component to keep you playing nonstop. hence, gambling-lite via lootcrates.
>lootcrates aren't gambling cuz you get a prize no matter whut!!!
sprays and quotes are consolation prizes, as others have explained, they are filler. what people want are the skins. when you buy ten crates and you don't get the skin you want, none of those quotes or whatever will mean jack-fuck
>>344215686
They defended 20tick for competitive mode, so yeah I can see them pulling this shit.
>play bayonetta
>secret weapons needs 1 million halos/months of grinding to unlock
wtf I hate games now
>>344259670
A singleplayer game requiring months of grinding is a problem.
>>344259450
Progression comes in many flavors, anon. It also could have just been tied to character achievement points to unlock them. You'd even be getting cosmetics for the characters you play the most/best. The current system is a fucking dice roll until you become high enough level to stockpile coins.
>cosmetics
wow it's fucking nothing
>>344259520
my point is that this
>To any sensible human being the cosmetic progression is completely secondary, a nice little bonus on the side
is laughably untrue, as the entire CSGO community clearly demonstrates.
unless you're just stating that csgo people are not sensible human beings which i would agree with
>>344259276
It certainly wasn't a failure, but it sure did miss that window with that horrible launch rep. Everyone was expecting the kind of shit you're seeing happen with overwatch, just obsession out the wazoo. Instead we got the whole "holy shit, single player games tied to the internet?" and that just tanked its reputation.
>>344259670
>>344259714
Them actually needing that month is the real problem, git gud.
And if by some freak of chance that's actually the case then yeah, it is a problem. Just like how bayo had the bad (press this button to not instantly die) QTEs that are actual detriments to the game. And guess what? People hated those, and they were gone in 2 which made the game better. Platinum figured out by W101 that the strength of QTEs is to introduce more spectacle but making them difficult just isn't fun or impressive. A flawed system in a good game was improved for the future.
>>344259551
>Or they could just put them behind achievements and you unlock them by playing the game
That is a potentially valid option but it is not necessarily a better one because then you would have matches where people are chasing achievements rather than playing the objectives.
I'd say the existing system is better because you gain loot boxes at a constant steady rate by just playing the game and it includes a mechanism for bypassing the RNG to get the thing you actually want with credits.
>You're defending a technique that is designed to whittle down your resolve until you spend money
This only works on people with either pitiful resolve or far too much money. I don't empathize with either group and their hypothetical plight means nothing to me.
>>344259450
>Because it's a stupid fucking complaint about shit that doesn't matter.
t. blizzard marketer lmao
>guys no we definitely should not discuss the immoral aspects of the lootcrate system. that's all dumb and not true and doesn't matter, come on guys, it's all just a big conspiracy to pick on us :(
>>344260041
>This only works on people with either pitiful resolve or far too much money
You're wrong. This isn't up for debate, the things you say do not line up with established research at all.
>>344215686
There's nothing wrong with this. Just buy the 100 pack you fucking moron.
>>344255989
>if you have to consider it a grind to get the things you want in a game
that is how the game treats it, it's not the player's fault when their brain responds to psychological manipulation tactics built into the game.
>>344255601
I don't believe you. Screenshot your hero gallery screen that shows how many things you've unlocked for each character.
>>344215686
Got el blanco Reaper in a goodie box this evening, god bless America.
>>344260041
Not them but you could still make it work well. Lean points more toward just getting a victory and take out the random aspect.
The point is not about removing the progression system entirely, but making it less annoying.
And even if the tactics don't bother you, they make the game less for being there. Maybe not by much, maybe not in a manner that bothers you but why would you want to argue against something that would improve the game for people that do care and not affect people that don't?
>>344259642
>lootcrates aren't gambling cuz you get a prize no matter whut!!!
Where'd I say anything like this? You really expect a company like blizzard is just going to stop charging for shit because "they just don't need to"? Why doesn't blizzard just house your family and pay for your retard medicine, they don't need that money, who the fuck cares?
It's a business, they need to make money because they want to pay for expensive shit later. They don't want to spend the money they have so they spend the money they're making. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense.
>>344254271
>if people realize it's a cheap scam that has all the signs of a manufactured hype generator
But the game is still fun, to a lot of people. And it's not like anyone who doesn't like the game would suddenly find it fun if they removed the ability to buy lootboxes. Remember that fun is subjective, not objective.
>>344215803
>you don't have to buy them
Where do you idiots spawn?
>>344260041
>That is a potentially valid option but it is not necessarily a better one because then you would have matches where people are chasing achievements rather than playing the objectives.
as opposed to people who just idle in matches and provide no help at all?
>achievements are a bad option cuz then people will play the game to try and get them
what the fuck
the cheevos are still there retard, there is just no reward ingame for getting them
>tfw you fell for the overwatch meme
hold me lads
>>344260238
if that's how you respond to gameplay, then you should probably stop playing games. If you look at it like that then what's to stop you from looking at everything for what it really is? I hope you realize that customer service people really don't want to talk to you, they just have to because their boss wants them too.
>Oh no, I liked and enjoyed a video game, it's the end of the world!
>>344253853
>this is a bad thing
The idiots can keep lining Blizzards pockets and in return we keep getting free maps and heroes
Sounds good to me
>>344260041
>That is a potentially valid option but it is not necessarily a better one because then you would have matches where people are chasing achievements rather than playing the objectives.
Tie it to the On Fire system, that already awards you points for doing what you're supposed to.
>>344215686
Cosmetics dont affect gameplay, some people are willing to shell out for a skin, this has been happening on the main stream for a while.
Tribes Ascend gave you better weapons for either 350 hours of grinding or 10 bucks, which system sounds better to you?
>>344260683
>which system sounds better to you?
No one said Overwatch even had a worse system than any other game in this thread. The point is that the lesser of two evils is still a bad thing that could be improved.
>>344260787
It's not even evil, though. It's neutral at worst. I give absolutely no shits about skins, this has zero effect on me.
>>344260193
>This isn't up for debate
Very constructive thing to say.
>the things you say do not line up with established research at all
Do you even understand the results of the research you are referring to? No study has ever claimed that these techniques work universally on everyone.
>>344260871
It's slightly negative to some, if you don't care then why do you care about the people that do wanting it to be a little bit better?
>>344260475
i'm not arguing about the game
>>344260643
or the gameplay
this thread is about the lootcrates specifically.
>>344260454
>You really expect a company like blizzard is just going to stop charging for shit because "they just don't need to"?
more because what they chose to do instead is something people would expect from a free-to-play point and click mobile game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4duJdeKTwHY
as explained here, all this shit also applies to OW. if the game launched without loot crates and all content could be unlocked naturally, i wonder how long people would talk about it, honestly
>>344260379
>they make the game less for being there
I seriously do not see how this is even remotely true.
I play the game because I enjoy it and occasionally get a bonus for doing so. How does that detract from the game rather than adding to it?
>>344260961
because (this may be hard to hear) the world does not actually revolve around you.
you play russian revolver and you're one of the guys who lives, so you tell people "i don't really get why people are so against this, i mean nothing happened to me when i did it"
>>344260935
If you want it to be better, by all means, want it. But it's not a negative system. I'm not negatively impacted whatsoever by this having bought only the base game.
>>344260954
the thread is about lootcrates, yeah. but that guy (or you, I don't fucking know) refer to the process as a grind. The gameplay is the process, so if the game is so tedious that it's just a chore to get the items you want, then why even play in the first place? If items aren't just shit that fall in your lap while you play the game naturally, then why play the game? It's just going to be a cycle of cynicism and loathing over the chore that is grinding for items.
Just don't play if the game isn't entertaining enough to make you forget you even want skins.
>>344260961
because I've explained it several times I'll give a single example.
I think epic skins are really good and want one.
I get a loot crate.
The crate has an epic.
The epic is a duplicate
Duplicates are worth even less than just getting a box of coins
I think this system could be better.
There is no incentive for blizzard to improve because the more frustrating the free system is, the more people will pay for more boxes faster.
>>344261163
>>344260961
>>344260871
>>344260041
how much do they pay per post? genuinely curious what the rates are like, having seen several viral-marketing jobs for spamming social media i'd like to get a good deal
>>344220576
Yeah, by the time I saved enough gold from playing and getting boxes for a skin, I realized there weren't any I really wanted. I almost rolled a die to decide what to get.
>>344261309
>let me hide behind these people actually having intelligent discussion while I spout my memes
Why even bother trying to inject your shitty interjection? If you have no argument for either side, then just let the adults talk.
>>344261460
I woulda saved it for the next group of skins that'll eventually come out.
>>344261089
Then give me some examples of other people experiencing valid problems with this system.
But if it's going to be
>this guy spent $2000 on skins and is now homeless
>it just feels like a f2p thing to do and I don't like that feeling
>I want all the skins at once but have to grind for them
then don't bother because all of those are entirely personal problems based on petty reasoning steeped in
>but daddy I want it NOW
>>344261580
I realized this the day after I bought a skin, of course
>>344261610
>>I want all the skins at once but have to grind for them
No one has asked for that in this whole thread. We've been talking about acknowledged bullshit like having no ability to just buy currency or that the duplicate system is trash.
>>344261240
when you add a system where the reward for playing the game is the grab bag, then the grab bag becomes your incentive to play
which for many people, fundamentally changes their perception of the game, because they secretly just want the instant gratification. i bet tons of people don't even *play* OW but just HAVE to get that ADORBS d.va skin OMG
those kinds of people absolutely exist and there are a lot of them, and this game is preying on them.
if the lootcrates stopped at $20 even, it wouldn't be so bad, but it goes up to, what, $50+? you can just press one button and throw away that much money, and out of that you may get a handful of useless things you kinda like and a big pile of crap you don't care about in the slightest
but you'll open a single crate in that $50 pile and get your legendary aforementioned adorbs d.va skin and that will tell your brain "yeah, that was totally worth it"
numerous forms of gambling also work this way. preying on a common psychological reaction most often witnessed among gamblers.
>>344261538
dude excuse you, i was asking this obvious samefagger a question and i expect a real response hopefully
i don't want to be making .05 cents a post when i could be making 10 cents.
>>344261756
>No one has asked for that in this whole thread.
Good.
>We've been talking about acknowledged bullshit like having no ability to just buy currency
Not for a second do I believe that this would shut the complainers up but that is an acceptable concern.
>the duplicate system is trash.
I'd say it fits fine with the existing system. Maybe just needs to adjust the credits-per-duplicate rate to be equal to the cost of whatever the duplicate was.
>game is created
>it has "content" in various shapes and form
>the price of the product is reflected in the content that is offered
>as in literally if you buy the product your money goes towards rewarding the publisher/developer for putting certain content in the game
>then the developer/publishers say
>"hey what if the content we put in games is still there but limited"
>"and the players have to do certain things like play the game in order to obtain that content which they have right to as they paid the price of the game"
>"but what if the content itself can be made to be bought AGAIN although with some sort of a randomised output so people call it fair"
>these practices of layering monetary transactions from purchasing the game to purchasing parts of the game to purchasing even smaller parts of the game become accepted and normalised by the audience because fuck the big picture and you can rationalize everything, "what are you a poorfag?" etc.
>companies adapt and cannot NOT pull this shit because they have to stay competitive with everyone else who is already doing this
>goalpost gets moved further down the line of how much money we can milk out of the customer and what are acceptable practices
one day you will see the error of your excuses
>>344262040
What you said is my point though. There are many ways that the existing system could be improved a little bit so that it's more satisfying. People aren't asking for everything to just be instantly theirs, but to iron out the kinks. Your post hyperbolized it into wanting everything and changing nothing which isn't what we're talking about.
>>344261637
god i would love to shake the hand of whoever designed overwatch
seriously, these fuckers know what they're doing with their presentation. look how the crate can barely contain all that mediocre crap, look how it just EXPLODES outward and spits out shiny glowing coins, how the useless cosmetics then pop out of those coins, you get like a double unwrapping, like a present with 2 layers around it.
if i were a dumb kid with his dads credit card who just bought this game on steam, i'd hella fall for that. i would feel so cool with my useless fire blade thing that i wouldn't even register the fact it cost real money.
>>344262073
>muh slippery slope
The system Overwatch has is actually a step away from cosmetic DLC jewery because it can actually be unlocked by just playing so your dire warnings of a grim dark future fall kind of flat here.
>>344262275
>which isn't what we're talking about.
No, it's not what you're talking about, you specifically, but take another look at the thread and tell me with a straight face that there aren't people who's entire position is based around
>muh microtransactions
>muh f2p
>>344262325
Not them but the thing is, Overwatch is a step in the right direction but it's not completely there yet. This thread is about complaining about the parts that are still trying to pry open your wallet. It's been said several times that Overwatch is still better than just about any other mictrotransaction system that's been out, but it has it's own flaws still.
People however are legitimately defending these flaws by saying "It's only cosmetic" or "stop paying attention to the microtransactions and just play the game"
Which actually is the shitty logic following the slippery slope.
Overwatch is 2 steps forward and 1 step back, it's a legitimate improvement, but people some how are defending that one step back along with the 2 steps forward instead of just separating them.
>>344262526
There are, you're right there. But I've also been seeing people hyperbolizing it the other way like people other than you saying "You guys just want everything right away" which still misses the point
>>344261828
sounds like you want hand holding to prevent retards from starving. if you can manage to click on the loot crate transaction and manage to jot down your payment information, you know what you're getting into and you should know you're a retard for doing this.
Have some self control or at least learn from your mistakes. Stop trying to stand up for a group of people who don't want your help.
>>344262325
you're still missing the vital point that you are essentially either paying to unlock or are playing to unlock content you have already paid for - your money when you paid the initial price was accounted for Blizzard to be able to put out another product within a product so you would have a reason to spend more money
this doesn't end you know, as long as you keep arguing that this isn't bad practice they'll keep looking for ways to sell off more parts of the game or make people pay money because no one is telling them to stop least of all the people that are supporting the game
there has never been a better time to be a full blown jude when it comes to entertainment and video game marketing and development, people are just eating your shit up without a critical thought
http://lolmonade.tumblr.com/post/146973002518/by-hotcomics2
Someone translate this pls
>>344261610
>this guy spent $2000 on skins and is now homeless
this is an actual fucking problem though. telling people "you don't have to buy it" is like telling a guy addicted to cigarettes he "doesn't have to buy them" either.
like no, the guy is not being held at fucking gunpoint to buy them. but because of the addictive chemicals placed in the cigarettes, his brain wants them unconsciously.
crate system is designed specifically to prey on a certain psychological addiction people form to the anticipation of opening a mystery box and MAYBE getting what they want
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiGpvj1PwgU
>>344259919
>d.va already pregnant
shouldn't have gone to those wild orgies
>>344262741
So does the game ask for your payment or CC info in-game? or does it charge whatever card is on your steam?
cuz if it is the latter, there is nothing telling kids they've just spent $200 buying a bunch of crates, these same kids who are used to buying and selling crates/keys/skins on csgo, who have no concept of money
ITT: Some people hate Overwatch, because other people like and/or they don't have the money to buy it.
So people are defending microtransaction here because:
>there are worse cases
>you don't have to buy them
>its just cosmetics
I'm not sure if I'm getting baited anymore or not
>>344263053
the game's not even on steam. Why are you arguing something you only think you know about?
>>344262825
>you're still missing the vital point
they are ignoring logic and applying zero brain power, they've been responding to every sensible post with some form of deflection or "nuh-uh though"
>>344263189
nobody here has given a single valid reason as to why you should care at all when the cases have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on how you play the game
the moment microtransactions interfere with the actual GAMEPLAY of a game is where the line should be drawn, let the idiots have their hats and skins
>>344263189
>defending
more like ignoring them, no one likes the microtransation so they don't use them. Not hard to figure out.
>>344263189
>its just cosmetics
this one gets me every time
THEY ALL START OUT AS COSMETIC TO DIP THE TOE IN THE RETARD LAKE
>>344218021
>pay 40 dollars for video game
>Content is locked behind random drops and paywalls
>"You're just entitled!"
>>344215686
>sell game for cheaper than most AAA games
>recoup the extra 33% on impatient retards with more money than sense
I'm not seeing the problem. I've gotten every skin I want just by saving up coin.
>>344263307
Except people will not care even if it starts interfering with gameplay, just take at look at your fucking beloved WoW, you can literally p2w yourself
It was just cosmetics first, lets wait until they add gameplay changing things too but you blizzdrones will eat that shit up too
And you know what? I wouldn't care if the game was f2p but it costs fucking $60 ($40), its beyond me how anyone can defend this
>>344219651
>smug 2
You can't just post smug 2 and not smug 1. Where is it you sick fuck
>>344263359
>Content is locked behind random drops and paywalls
have you never played a videogame ever?
>"It's okay when Valve does it and with actual gameplay items, that you basically need to win."
>"They also hide them behind RNG creates, which is awesome."
Why is /v/ so hypocritical? Is it just to be contrarian?
>>344263330
Excepts it's not because blizzard already confirmed that all future heroes and maps won't be sold as DLC and are going to be for free.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKG8Yx6F7uc
>>344215686
I've never bought one of those and I have a bunch of cool skins. The stuff is all cosmetic anyways, idk why anyone would pay real money for that.
I've literally never even been in this menu. Just enjoy the game.
More importantly, why the fuck do people buy them? Every single character's default skin is their best.
>let me use this special snowflake skin that goes against the character's design
?
>>344263359
>pay 40 dollars for video game
>Content is locked behind gameplay time spent playing
>"You're just being tricked!"
>>344263505
never played WoW myself, but i think the P2W shit is disgusting. i'm still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with overwatch though (blizz has said in the past that all future non-cosmetic content will be free, iirc), but i'm jumping ship asap when/if the microtransactions leak into actual gameplay-affecting content
>>344263505
then you should get out now before it's too late!
oh no! I hope it's not too late!?
No really though, I'll call you a retard for thinking that they'd even need to just dump out paid for guns, but if you're absolutely positive that they'll do that, then you should really stop playing and avoid giving blizzard your support. Everyone else will follow suit if that's true and only retards who paid will keep it going. By then there'll be a another game out and you'll be ok.
>>344263359
Literally ALL content in this game is available for free. ALL future content will be available for free.
All thats in the loot crates are some sprays and cosmetic skins lol who the fuck cares. Is this game about skill and fun or about doing a fashion show?!
>>344263674
>Content is locked behind gameplay time spent playing
If it took 20 games to get one loot box then you could say the same thing and you'd definitely be being tricked. It's a persuasion tactic. Keep them free enough that it seems innocent but space them out enough that paying money looks tempting. The problem is that if you have no intention of paying money anyway, that spacing out becomes needless padding and less fun then if the system were balanced around money not being in the equation at all.
>>344263307
I've given my reason many times already. The currency of a game is enjoyment and desirable cosmetics are part of that enjoyment. Just because it's not as bad as paying for gameplay doesn't mean it's not bad in it's own right. Overwatch is a game that exploded in popularity before people could even play just by the artistic design and the characters themselves, to say that cosmetics don't possess any value is insane, they make the game more fun for many players. Just like how if the game were just a military shooter game with drab colors it would tank like crazy.
>>344262921
>pregnant
anon plz
>People ITT actually defending it
Are you fuckers serious? You know that video games have given players alt costumes and cosmetics for free in the past, right? You know they were ALL free, included content before someone decided to jew them out, right? You know Blizzard doesn't need this kind of cash shop to keep the game open? The massive influx of sales did that for them already. The only reason it exists is to jew you.
>But I don't care about features being denied to me
That's fine you dumb little shit, but don't act like it's okay just because you're apathetic to it. It's still a shitburger move.
>>344263685
not that guy but I think the inclusion of both the level boosts in WoW and the loot crates in overwatch are just for those who just don't want to play videogames all the time but are the kind of people who go "fuck waiting, my friends who played way more than me has got cool shit, I want cool shit too!" so much in blizzard's face that they just went "sure why not?".
For some reason, it keeps needing to be said. That shit's just retard muzzles, retards these days rather spend money than playing the game. You get shit like artists who get all their work done within the first 30% of the development cycle, so they just pump out retard traps so they can stay on the payroll. That's the most common reason I know of, I'm sure there's a little bit of that here too.
People just don't want to listen to each other, yeah it's kind of a bummer and it's a little bit tempting, but so is a lot of dumb shit. Being an adult is knowing when to stop being a pussy and refuse a craving every now and again. There's real back and forth going on in this thread, it's just people ignoring each other and repeating themselves. I'd rather the thread just close at this point because it's just breeding retardation at this point.
>>344264016
Are you really stupid enough to equate cosmetics in an FPS with a games entire aesthetic and art design? Putting crates like this in a $40 game is generally ridiculous but so is giving a shit about stuff like hats in TF2 and skins in CS:GO. If that's how you have fun you might as well play that Kim Kardashian mobile game honestly.
>>344263505
>just take at look at your fucking beloved WoW, you can literally p2w yourself
Oh yeah... you can pay money to levle to 100. When there's multiple guides telling you how to stack exp boosts to get to 100 in a few days. Yeah great p2w there.
Lemme know when blizzard lets me buy mythic raid gear and elite pvp gear from the shop.
moron
>Blizztards actually defending this shit - OP
>Blizztards actually defend it ITT
>>344215803
>you can get cosmetics trough normal play
>the chances of a decent item are shit
>much lower than in beta because you have to give something lackluster to motivate poeples to spend more
Wew lad
>>344260483
But you dont?... Only idiots with zero self control and money to waste buy them.
You can get whatever you want by just playing the game, it just takes a bit of time. And also they're purely cosmetic.
Why do you care how idiots spend their money, anon?
>>344264378
>riot adds xp boost for real money
>"fucking p2w, you get advantage over other players"
>blizzard adds instant lvl 100 for real money which is even worse
>"i-it doesn't matter!!!"
You can't make this shit up
So if they remove micro-transactions entirely and made it so you can only obtain skins by earning a loot crate every level, would it suddenly be okay? Would you be willing to play the game the exact same way you could've if you simply ignored an option you didn't like?
If you don't have enough time to get the skins you like or play the game; either you don't have fun with the game and it's not for you, you really need to manage your time better, or you're shit out of luck because your job is demanding. Deal with it.
>>344263551
no its also bad, just because one is shit and the other vomit doesn't make the vomit edible
only thing worse than blizzard fanboys are valve fanboys
>>344264226
>You know that video games have given players alt costumes and cosmetics for free in the past, right
I have over 50 skins.including legendaries and I haven't spent a single cent over $40 for the retail price of the game. You can't explain that.
>>344265282
>riot adds exp boosters
>smurfs prove that their skill can destroy people who have higher levels than them
>blizzard adds instant max level boost
>players find ways to reach max level in a only a few days
>level boost doesn't give you the best raid or pvp gear
I love the idiots who slap p2w argument on things they have no fucking understanding of.
Again let me know when that "p2w" blizzard boost gives you all the best gear in the game.
moron
>>344266457
p2w = can get advantage over other players just by paying real money
both of them are p2w faggot
>>344266604
What advantage is the exp booster in lol? Level doesn't mean much when smurfs can kill unskilled players.
And what does the p2w of level boost in wow get you? Does it beat bosses for you? Does it let you win pvp? Does it give the best gear for money?
>>344266945
I know you are just baiting so here's your (You)
>>344267048
I know you can't counter the argument. (Me)
Learn the what p2w actually is what what it applies to before you try and make an argument.
You OW haters really grasp at the tiniest things, don't you?
>>344267175
again, you get advantage over other non-paying players
that's by definition p2w
>>344215686
they take inspiration in our valve overlord.
may gabe guidance bring hapiness to blizzard
>>344267265
What's the advantage though? You haven't made an argument aganist my counters. Smurfs, skilled players, can kill others with higher level accounts. What advatage does the exp booster give over skill?
What advantage does boosting to max level in wow give you? What does it give you over the person who is in elite pvp gear or mythic raiding gear?
Where's that win that paid for when others are still ahead and better than them?
>>344267265
>hey guys i bought a 4chan pass
>now I don't have to go through captcha
>omg p2w you have an advantage over people who didn't pay for a 4chan pass!
>>344264895
>got my favorite Zenyatta, McCree, and Roadhog skin on my first 5 boxes
> have atleast 1 legendary for every character through free loot boxes only and im only level 60
>>344224489
He kinda looks like donald trump
no one sane buys the boxes. you get a level per hour, that's more than enough to get what you want
Will there be any way to earn or purchase the origins and black widowmaker skins?
I bought the $40 dollar verion, but there is no way to upgrade.
>>344258757
You can trade stuff in tf2, you drop the chests and can get profit for them.
Basically TF2 is FREE so having microtransactions is justified.
I'd rather have purely cosmetic microtransactions than paid dlc maps.
Not to mention the crate system in overwatch is a million times better than any other game with crates.
I honestly don't get the boner people have for Overwatch.
It just feels like a very shallow casual shooter that lacks content. I played in the Beta and was already bored after that.
>>344218052
The 5 origins skins. Reaper, Tracer, 76, Bastion and Pharah have them.
>>344262289
Or you just play for an hour or two and get it for free.
>pay for a game
>content is deliberately made with a payment system in mind, driving you to pay more by having parts of the game you bought be kept away from you by RNG
>people actually paid for this shit
l m a o
>>344273589
you can get everything without paying though, and everything to get is cosmetic. maps and heroes will be free
>>344273589
its ok because Blizzard
>mfw i only play with original skins and i can easily outplay any /v/tard
How does it feel to be a sub-75 shitter?
>>344260282
Wouldn't work, the skins show up as owned either way. Only thing that would prove it is a gif/video of him actively going from Noire Widow to Reaper's tab and not having Blackwatch Reyes.
>>344215686
>pay for a game
>it gets support for years
>bugs are patched, balance is patched
>it gets new content in heroes, maps and play modes
>all of this for everyone for free
>bitch about optional cosmetic purchases you can get free in game anyways
You faggots are delusional. In your "golden age" of video games nobody fixed anything. You would be lucky to get a patch.
>But muh games shipped perfectly and there were no balance problems or bugs
That's fucking bullshit, maybe one out of a thousand. People just dealt with it. No we get constant support and this is how it gets paid. One up front cost is not going to provide years of support
>>344218818
>Why the fuck would someone want to wait for fucking content? That's fucking retarded. Imagine having to play 100 games in dota to unlock a new hero
Imagine having to wait until you're level 60 to start raiding.
Or imagine that you have to wait until you have the appropriate gear to do a certain raid.
>>344215686
There is no reason to buy them. You don't even hardly get to see the skins you get out of them anyway. I dropped hundreds in LoL, but won't spend a dime in OW because they just give it to you for leveling up.
If the game was 3rd person I might be tempted, but for me there really is no point. Just like hats in tf2.
>>344274347
>thinks 75 is good
HA
>>344271571
>>344258838
>>344258832
It wasn't always free.
