Blizztards actually defending this shit
>>344215686
Are those not USD?
one crate is a dollar you should be paying 40 something
>>344215686
eh?
you don't have to buy them
you can get cosmetics through normal play
>>344215686
If you're not shit, you can level up twice in about 2 and a half hours of gameplay (if you're over lvl 22, where the xp needed peaks at 22k).
Only shitters buy boxes since the game gifts them to you for hitting "play", pretty much
>>344215686
>blaming blizzard because your cunt elected a PM based on a promise that he would legalize weed and then he immediately sold all your countries gold
fuck off
>>344215686
Micro transactions shouldn't be in the game in the first place, I agree, but nothing in these things actually effects gameplay and they're totally option to buy with real money.
>>344215803
It's the fact that they are selling on disk content in a AAA release
>game has no progression system
>game reaches beta
>people complain they want progression
>blizzard add it in
>purely cosmetic
>can buy rng boxes to speed up your progression
>still all cosmetic
whats the problem, oh thats right there isnt one, Blizzard gave people what they asked for welcome to modern gaming
>>344216380
But none of the content is exclusive to loot boxes you buy, and as far as I'm aware, the RNG is the same. What's the fucking issue? You don't nave to buy anything when you get a lootbox every time you level just by playing the game and having fun.
>>344216729
What about the ON DISK content locked behind the CE?
This shit is inexcusable
>>344216170
Takes about 8 games to level up
>>344216828
The fucking content is not locked on the disk you dense motherfucker, what part of "it can be unlocked by leveling up and playing the game" did you not fucking understand.
>>344216828
It's hardly locked content. You have a chance to win anything in the game with each box you earn. The only things which you could currently call "locked" would be the gold weapons, since who the hell has 300 comp points already? That shit is a fucking a grind.
The OE stuff is a special something for people who bought that edition.
>>344215686
>Buying lootboxes
KYS Blizzcuck or no if you buy this you're stupid as fuck. Just enjoy playing the game the shit you get won't make you better.
>>344215686
They're purely cosmetic, you're able to play the game competitively without them. Furthermore, virtually all of that content can be unlocked via normal game play.
>>344217438
>You have a chance to win anything
>gambling
>blizzdrones actually defending this
you pay with your time or your money, it's still gambling
>>344215686
What's wrong with it?
>Doesn't interfere with the gameplay in any way
>Zero secondhand market
>Everything unlockable over time
I honestly don't see the problem
There's no carrot or stick here. The only people who are affected by this are idiots with more money than sense.
>>344217383
The collectors edition content cant be unlocked through playing the game you autistic shill
>>344217826
>you pay with your time
what
you unlock them by playing the game which you would do anyway
why are you so buttraged that you can't look like a cute girl in a specific outfit immediately?
>It's another "I want everything and I want it now" thread
Stop posting
>>344217826
Unlockables you earn through grinding have been a thing since videogames were a thing. This is not something new, you fucking sperg.
>>344217915
>The collectors edition content
What content is that?
>>344217915
This isn't MN9 here, the people who wanted to shell out for the 20 bucks worth of extra skins get to have those as their little dick waving joy.
The autistic one is you.
>>344217925
>>344218046
>literally defending this
ok, wow
>>344218317
>not being able to defend your opinion
ok, wow
>>344215686
>Buying cuckboxes
>>344218317
just UGH wow can you FUCK OFF????
Are you poor or something? I have literally 6 million $$$ and can buy all the loot boxes I want.
>>344218317
>Wanting everything unlocked right from the beginning
Why? You'd only be asking for more shit in a weeks time. Its nice getting a loot box every time you level, even if you don't get anything you want. It's still fun opening it and crossing your fingers.
>>344217915
collectors edition doesn't give you any extra content bub
>>344218692
Why the fuck would someone want to wait for fucking content? That's fucking retarded. Imagine having to play 100 games in dota to unlock a new hero
>>344218818
>a costume that you never see because it's a first person game is now considered "content"
>>344218779
"The Overwatch Collector's Edition is packed full of goods to enhance your experience, along with all of the in-game bonuses and Origin Skins bundled in Overwatch: Origins Edition"
All my kek
>>344218818
>this is what underage actually think now
>>344218317
>haHa I was just pretending to be retarded, got em ;)
>>344218965
Yes it comes with the same skins that come with the $60 version. There is no exclusive CE content or skins
>>344218317
>waaaah I don't understand how unlockables work
Don't want to work in game for it, don't want to pay for it. Gimmie gimme gimme all for free.
sad.
>>344215686
>Only cosmetics
>Does not affect gameplay in any way
Don't fucking buy them, then. They give you one free every time you level up anyways.
>>344218971
>i want to pay $1 per lootbox because content shouldn't be provided to players who buy a $60 game
>this is what underage actually think now
>>344218584
Can you buy me some boxes? Is that a thing?
>>344219173
>he doesn't think you can get loot boxes without buying them
oh kiddo, so much to learn
>paid for the game
>not owning every content on the this
>"b-but it's just cosmetic!!!!!111!!!!!"
>>344218818
>Thinking skins is somehow content
Are you actually fucking retarded?
>>344218818
It's just a bit of fun. What the hell is your beef? Nothing you unlock has any effect on the game itself. It's not as if people who can afford to buy a billion loot boxes are gonna be getting stuff which will make them stronger than you or anything like that. I really don't understand the hate for this system of unlocking stuff gradually as you play. I mean, you're gonna be playing the game anyway, right? So what's the problem?
Just play the game and have fun.
>>344218818
>cosmetics that don't affect gameplay is comparable to unique playable characters
i think you should make a thread about any non dota 2 moba rather than overwatch my friend
>>344219340
So which costume is it that you want so badly? I mean you made a thread on an anime imageboard to cry about it. It must be one hell of a skin
>>344219505
>being triggered by anime posters
>>344218965
>this guy is so retarded he mixed up collectors edition with origins edition
all my keks
>>344219587
I am an anime poster
>>344218818
>waaah I want everytthing handed to me for free!
pathetic
>>344219340
>have to grind for coins in splatoon to buy items from shops
>can't own all the content off the bat
WOOOOOOW
>>344219340
this is actually a legitimate point, but people cried for a progression system and cosmetics are the most benign things you can put in a progression/unlock system without botching the game to hell so they made it this way
>>344219651
>Defending paid for on disk exclusive dlc
>>344219760
>for free!
The game already costs money.
>>344219897
at the end of the day its cosmetic, you can say its blizz being jews all you want but it doesn't hurt the game in any way shape or form unless you just hate the principal of playing games made by people that wants more money
>>344215686
Only autists would pay for that shit
>be lvl 40
>care less and less about the skins more as I play
because this game is full of bullshit like 50/50
i wouldn't mind it if they didn't design the unlocks exactly like a fucking free to play grind to tempt you as much as possible to buy them
you are literally paying to put up with sacrifices made to play a game for free, its unacceptable.
I'm okay without microtransactions in a F2P game but a game with a price tag (ESPECALLY 60 dollars) has no business doing it.
I hated it when Dead Space 3 did it, I hated it when Overwatch did it. Anybody who supports this shit should be ashamed of themselves and remember that YOU are part of the reason why the industry is shit today
>>344220689
>not having a costume that you never see because the game is entirely first person is a "sacrifice"
Kids these days have no idea what the fuck real struggle is jesus christ you're going to get laid out by life
I haven't even gotten a decent skin in weeks. I don't really care anymore.
>>344220689
>giving into temptation
What's it like having a weak soul?
>>344220857
Don't buy it then.
As simple as that.
I've never bought a box and I have tons of shit.
>>344220857
its to subsidize for the free updates in the future, more people buying boxes=more money to use to make maps/new characters/skins
or would you rather pay money for those dlc instead of having an optional micro transaction that others enjoy using that subsequently fund your future free content?
or maybe you are entitled to all content for free forever after paying $60?
>>344216285
How do you know that the OP is a leaf?
>>344220975
im not even talking about the skins themselves, im talking about the method to unlock them
its slow grindy and random, its frustrating but you put up with it in F2P because you are playing a game for free.
with overwatch you still get that random grind for unlocks, but you don't even get the game for free. all the downsides, none of the upsides
>>344215686
Cosmetics that have zero gameplay value.
Everyone flips shit even tho you earn them like every 10 mins of gameplay
>>344221491
Because lootboxes don't cost that much in non-colonies
>microtransactions are purely cosmetic
>can earn the same items just playing the game for fair amount of time
Blizzard are one of the few good ones left in this industry.
>>344221619
>playing the game is a grind
>not entertainment
So what would the game be without unlocks? Would it still just be a grind?
Funny how the people who complain about the loot boxes are not the ones who play the game. There shit loads of people who don't even know there are buyable loot boxes.
>>344221673
Poor Canadians.
>>344215781
Bulk buy yo.
Buy more, get a discount.
>>344215686
>it's okay if valve does it
These are the same people that support csgo gambling
>>344221937
That's exactly what they want you to do, you dumb sonovabitch!
>>344217267
> Takes about 8 games to level up
If you play solo and perform poorly, sure.
>>344221786
fucking hell you are dense
THE METHOD TO UNLOCK SHIT is a grind
please learn to read
>>344218818
You do. Skins drop randomnly in dota too
>buying boxes now when new skins are being announced on the 21st
>>344220689
More like once you earn a few boxes and realize it takes about 5 to get a skin, your desire to pay for them completely disappears
>>344221937
$1 each
$1 x 50 crates = $50
50 crates = 59.95
???????????????????
>>344222215
>THE METHOD TO UNLOCK SHIT is a grind
The method is playing the game in the same exact way as you would if there were no unlocks.
So answer the question, if there were no unlocks, would playing the game still be a grind?
>>344222278
They won't drop from the same boxes, blizzard already said this
>>344222314
it's a discount for blizzard, not the consumer
>>344222314
oh fuck i dont know why I thought that was backwards that is some bullshit
>>344222314
see
>>344216285
>>344221491
>>344221673
>>344221923
It's canadian monopoly money
>>344222314
2$ per crate
I wouldn't mind if there were a way to earn coins (or whatever the currency is called) outside of loot boxes. Give 10 coins each time you finish a match or something. Just give people the chance to save for the skins they want with a steady income of coins.
>tfw playing the game
>tfw unlocking the skins I want by playing the game and leveling up
>mfw people would reather shitpost about not having shit when they could play to unlock it
pooper piddled shitposters
>>344222823
Thatd be cool. I'd really prefer to be able to sell some of the shit I don't need, like all these sprays and shit
>>344222823
level 120 something here, once you get a lot of sprays and stuff every crate will have at least one duplicate resulting in that 10-50 credits per
>>344215686
You can get them for free, but you knew that already
>>344222346
no, the grind is playing loot box slots for random drops
they could have just given you a couple hundred gold every level so you could guarantee that skin in a set amount of time, but then you could just play the game and not even consider buyying those jew crates.
the random nature of the unlocks is the problem. you think you added sprays because it was a cool feature?
nah it there to pad out the loot boxes so you don't get the cool shit
awh you dind't get that skin?, maybe buy 50 more boxes for more chances to get it!
>>344223263
>no, the grind is playing loot box slots for random drops
For somebody saying I'm incapable of reading this is pretty funny.
If everything was auto-unlocked. Would playing the game still be grinding? Because that is how you get crates now, playing the game and you said that is grinding.
>>344215686
This gacha cancer from chink games is now spreading to the west. FTC should just ban it (or make it X-rated) as its a form of gambling.
Blizzcucks baka
>never spent money on a loot box
>got the only legendary skin I wanted from a box ages ago
>reach level 80 just by having fun
>got 2600 gold in the bank
>no desire to spend any of it
If retards want to spend real money on skins when it's this easy to get them for free, more power to them.
>>344223263
There is literally a finite limit on the amount of loot boxes it takes to unlock everything because repeats give you coins to buy things
Underaged pls go
>>344220857
Everybody who plays modern games supports this shit, which is practically every person playing videogames, including you.
It's just how the industry is, and no amount of bitching about "ruinan muh industree" is going to change anything.
>>344218317
I know, right? Like WOW, I can't believe it.
>>344220857
Companies are more greedy today and now need contentious revenue off a single product. So it is either microtransations or mappacs and/or expansions that would divide the playerbase.
>>344223263
>awh you dind't get that skin?, maybe buy 50 more boxes for more chances to get it!
Or play 200 games and get enough gold to buy anything you want. It's not that bad.
Just to put my understanding of the argument into this thread:
>It's only cosmetic
Cosmetic content is still desirable content with value. It's a LOT less valuable than gameplay but it's entertainment which is what a game is all about. Especially considering how much popularity exploded just on the character designs and porn, you really can't say the cosmetic stuff doesn't have value.
>It's an option and you can get them for free
You pay with time and currently loot boxes come in pretty thin, about one box an hour and that box could be a grey grey blue grey of skins and voices. F2P games make the time cost of their content really high so that the value of using money is greater and you're more likely to do that. While not as bad as F2P games, the current rate of getting loot boxes is a foot on the grind side. You shouldn't get all the cosmetics for free because there's value in earning your boxes, but the current rate is pretty low. 2 boxes per level up would be reasonably comfy, about 3 boxes per play session. Having a pay option means there's no incentive to increase the EXP rate since they can say "if you want more just pay" which is F2P mentality.
>>344221472
Dota 2
>>344224030
I spent £10 on 13 loot boxes, cos fuck it, I had the money there was only one skin I really wanted (Mercy Imp skin, of course). I wasn't about to spend the money on something more worthwhile and now I have the one skin I wanted I don't care about loot boxes. I have about 1400 in the bank I don't know what to do with.
My only criticism of the whole loot box thing is the fucking duplicates. Loot boxes are already filled with enough junk no one will ever use, 90% of sprays and voice lines are of no interest to anyone, if they want a particular spay or voice line for their heroes then those are the only ones they want, people are hardly switching up their sprays and voice lines all that often. But not only are you likely to earn junk you won't ever use, you can't sell it for full price so you can buy things you do want to use, instead if you get it again you get a small fraction it's value given to you. Literally making worthless junk, even more worthless
>>344215686
You just need to stop being a fag that takes cosmetics so seriously. This game is casual as fuck that rewards players for literally just playing. You don't have to do anything different from just playing the game to "grind" loot.
>/v/ hates unlockables now
>>344224987
>you get money from getting a duplicate
>that money isn't a large enough sum for my taste so it's LITERALLY NOTHING
Video games haven't been keeping up with inflation. A standard console game has been $60 for several years already. I rather pay $60 for a game and not spend a cent on useless cosmetics than spend $75 to get all of it and never use it.
In fact I'm glad blizzard went against the trend of making it locked behind a paywall or pay2win garbage.
>>344215686
You get a crate every time you level up.
You have unlimited levels.
There are hardly that many items.
You accumulate gold to buy what you want in crates and for duplicates.
There is literally no reason to ever buy loot crates unless you are an autistic child with an addiction and/or a for profit streamer. You will get what you want simply by playing the game a modest amount.
>>344225435
>Video games haven't been keeping up with inflation
Yes they have through digital distribution. Even non-digital games don't come with manuals anymore. There have been tons of ways publishers have been cutting costs over the years to keep up with inflation.
>>344224787
>Companies are more greedy today and now need contentious revenue off a single product
Um...
>buy game at ordinary retail value
>everything you need to play is and will be free
>company has to pay to run the servers for years
>company has to pay for bug fixes and updates
>no paid DLC
>no pay to unlock characters
>no exclusive map packs
>no subscription fee
>cannot pay money to unlock anything that might affect gameplay
>can pay for boxes of random cosmetic items
>boxes that could be unlocked by levelling up (roughly 1 level per hour after level 22)
>"lol companies r so greedy! xD"
>>344224958
>You pay with time
Oh shit nigga, you gotta actually spend time and play the game to unlock shit? I guess Megaman is bullshit for locking off Wily's Castle at the beginning of the game instead of being accesible from the start. I mean shit, you have to pay time to unlock content on the cartridge.
I'm really glad /v/ wasn't around when MvC2 was released
>What do you mean I have to pay with my time to unlock all the characters? Why can't I have them all now? FUCKING CAPCOM!!!!!!
>>344225328
Haha, good one.
>>344225078
Why not have both? Play the game and get more loot while you do? Make loot boxes 50 cents each too while you're at it, a dollar's crazy.
>>344218818
It's always worked this way friendo
The only difference between now and before is before you could type in a button combo to unlock everything via cheat codes.
Why would someone spend money on boxes? Most skins are pretty terrible anyways.
>>344225331
>that money isn't a large enough sum for my taste
Pretty sure it's 5% of it's cost.Why include that? What advantage is there to having a tiny fraction of the value of an item you already have? Why not just replace it with actual money drops? Why no replace it with items you don't have? Why not make it possible to sell duplicates for a decent price to make it easier to buy things you actually want?
>>344224958
>You pay with time
If you "pay" instead of "enjoy" your time with the game, then maybe, just maybe you shouldn't play it in the first place
>>344225627
I'm just saying they're not free, there's a cost attached and I think it's too high, but it's not the only reason you play. What's wrong with wanting the same gameplay but getting a few more boxes for the same effort?
>>344225969
You can have both though. Enjoy playing the game and have fun getting more boxes while you do. To hyperbolize in the opposite direction, if it took twice as long to get a box the gameplay is still the same but the loot box system on it's own is bullshit.
>>344225969
>mock casuals
>insist games should be all about enjoyment
Pick one.
>>344225953
It's not 5% it's 25%
That's not a negligible sum
>>344226170
>Enjoy playing the game and have fun getting more boxes while you do
Well the quicker you "have fun getting more boxes" the quicker you'll run out of fun aka. you'll unlock everything you want quick and stop giving a shit about the whole system. While it might be ok for you, because maybe you don't like the crate system, there's a lot of people that are complete opposite.
>>344226380
>mock casuals
???
>Get a crate every level you gain for free which is like every 40 minutes or so(even faster if in the beginning or just prestiged)
>dont even have to buy or wait for a keydrop like in valve games to open the crate
>get 4 fucking things instead of just one thing in the crate
How is this wrong?
>>344226620
Not them but 25% is kinda shitty when it's an epic box earlier on. At least when the box just gives you money it's 50% it's rarity value.
>>344216828
Well for one you can't buy a "disc" without that content. For another that version of the game costs $40.
>>344226832
People think 40 minutes is a bit much for something that's random and could be a grey grey blue grey of sprays and voice lines. Is there anything wrong with wanting them every 20 minutes instead? Over a dollar per box is also pretty overkill if you did want to go that route, I'd cut that price in half as well.
>>344227113
FUCK YOU!
>>344226001
When people talk about free content, they are almost exclusively talking about having to pay money to get the content. Saying content isn't free because you have to actually play the game to get it, regardless of the time it takes, is incorrect and manipulative. Sure you pay to get the game, but when all the content on the disc is accesible by playing the game, complaining about it amounts to whining about it.
Yeah I hate games with progression that's locked behind "time investment". I should be able to get competitive rank 100 right away, I already paid for the game so why am I locked out of this until I put in time and effort to grind ranks?
>>344227105
>4-5 matches is a bit much
Those people are fucking stupid.
im barely level 70 and I have almost every skin and intro I could possibly want
also guess what /v/, having them didnt improve my in-game performance at all, so whats the fucking deal
>>344223493
>guys i just heard about this thing called the FTC a couple weeks ago when the csgo scandal broke
FTC's consumer affairs deals with deceptiveness and fraud. they aren't the legislature, they don't get to decide what is or isn't gambling or whether it's legal. unless the developers are fundamentally misleading consumers about what they can get or what their chances are, the FTC can't touch them
>>344227441
You're right I might be hyperbolizing the terminology a bit but I'm still comparing it to F2P games. You can technically get a full game out of many F2P games but they're intentionally designed to be so drawn out and take so long that the only enjoyable way is to fess up cash. The loot boxes are random, contain a lot of garbage, and come in so slow that it's touching this territory. It's not NEARLY as bad, but it's not terribly fun either. You shouldn't get them all automatically which is what I meant by 'free', but you should get them at a rate where you feel reasonably satisfied. An 40-60 minutes or over a dollar per box is a bit high, I'd cut both values in half.
>>344226916
What level are you?
Once you get past 50 it really starts adding up
>>344227769
Games are about fun not 100% about performance and cosmetics have fun value. You can argue that you think the current rate is fine, which is fine as an opinion, but to say they aren't worth anything because they don't affect performance is just silly. They could have made the whole game look drab with characters having the same lines and it wouldn't affect gameplay, it'd be boring as shit though.
>>344228158
In the 70's and you're right, coin totals aren't that bad. I'm more just thinking of getting duplicate epics which I've gotten. It's a pretty big slap when it's going "Not only did you not get a coin box, we're giving you half of a coin box".
>>344228150
But it's not a purely accurate comparison to F2P games. F2P model is when items that make your character more powerful are locked behind money or RNG. Overwatch loot boxes are for pure aesthetics. Nothing in the boxes make your heroes play better.
>>344228739
So what? You're lucky they gave you any value for it at all. Stop whining about something you'll never change
>>344215686
YOU
DON'T
HAVE
TO
BUY
THEM
>>344228907
No I did address that. Games are about enjoyment and cosmetics factor into that. Gameplay is FAR more important but that doesn't mean cosmetics are worth nothing. Like no one who dislikes the current lootbox system ever says it's ruined the game for them, it's just a single flaw that's a bit annoying and blizzard has no real incentive to improve it because that would mean making less money.
The F2P comparison is only meant for the tactics involved, not the potency.
>>344229143
Again, considering how much this game has exploded in it's art design, characters, and porn, it's just ridiculous to say cosmetics aren't worth considering period.
If everyone was just a regular WWII solder with regular military lines in generic war zones it wouldn't be remotely as popular for the same gameplay.
>>344228965
>can't be bothered to have a pool of items that decreases as you unlock
>can't be bothered to organise an online market place to sell and trade items
>can't be bothered to at least allow you to sel unwanted items
>instead insert a mechanic that gives you a tiny amount of in-game currency when you get a duplicate
>"You're lucky they give you anything at all!"
Fuck off.
>>344229286
Being rank 100 factors into my enjoyment, so why can't I be rank 100 to start with?
Also winning factors into my enjoyment, Blizz should make me win all my games.
>>344229542
>I don't like how they did it
> :*(
shut the fuck up already the system is perfectly fine if you're past the point of getting all those sprays and voice lines
>>344229651
Going too far in the gain direction breaks it in the opposite way. There's earning and there's grinding, individual loot boxes have value but not very much individually. I'm only saying they should come in at say 2x the rate and cost half the money price so that it feels like you're getting the right amount of boxes for what it takes to gain them.
Would you say the opposite, that there's no problem in making them take 10 hours to get and cost 5$ each?
>>344230254
Are you kidding me?
>i'm not happy with how quickly I'm getting boxes blizzard should give me more boxes NOW because i'm impatient and can't wait through 8 games
>>344229859
>Never have an opinion, don't try to improve things
You just said it yourself the sprays and voice lines are kinda pointless. Complaining about the system includes saying things like "Why can't we sell sprays and voice lines we don't want to creep closer to the stuff we actually want?"
>>344229859
>if you're past the point of getting all those sprays and voice lines
But you're never past that point dipshit, because there are more sprays+voice lines than there are skins, and because you can get duplicates, you will always et sprays and voice lines. A recent box of mine was 3 sprays I already had and a common skin for Symmetra
>>344230497
You didn't answer my hypothetical. If you're just saying you think the current rate is fine then cool, that's your opinion and there's nothing wrong with thinking that. I'm just correcting the hyperbole of saying "We should have everything immediately" because that's an over exaggeration.
>>344215686
>$1.20 per lootbox
Why would you even
>>344216729
This
I got all my cool shit through standard leveling and anything I really wanted I just bought with credits from those same loot boxs.
It technically a "pay to skip" model, but since it literally doesnt impact the gameplay in any way its sort of dumb to complain about. The option to buy the skip is there to milk idiots and super rich idiots.
What we should be talking about is THIS bullshit. What the actual fuck blizzard? This skin costs 1000 credits and you toss be a laughable 20% for my incredible bad luck? At least throw me a 50% on these fuckin yellows you greedy bastards.
>>344229530
But the default skins are better in almost every case
I wish people would stop calling cosmetics "content."
It's like they forgot what real paywall, day 1 on disc bullshit is. ME3 wasn't even that long ago.
>have a little less than $5 inPSN store credit
>don't have anything I want to buy
>tfw seriously considering buying some crates
someone stop me
>>344218818
Dota 2 has the same model as overwatch except there actually are skins locked behind real money
Why aren't you complaining about that?
>>344230793
your hypothetical isn't even relevant because they will never do that but it would be perfectly fine because the boxes only give you cosmetics.
>>344230545
>>344230560
Once you get the sprays the first time every additional time you get them will be free credits
the more you have the more likely you are to get free credits from the box
>>344225607
I almost agreed with you but then I remembered games of the past did this without microtransations. Games of the past allowed you to even have any skin you want via mods. Because they sell skins there will never be player made skins so we have less freedom now.
>>344231356
Just because it's not atrocious like ME3 doesn't mean it isn't annoying and can't be improved.
>>344231076
It's kinda my whole point about how stupid it is to say "Stop complaining about skins ever!" because it's stupid to say that the system is either so valueless or so perfect that it can't be mentioned at all.
You seem to think the rate of loot boxes isn't annoying but the duplicate/coin shit is fuck stupid and could be improved. That's completely fine and what you are and aren't comfortable with. I care more about getting more boxes in general so that at the end of a session you have more than one box to open up for fun and the odds of walking away with only grey grey blue grey at the end of the day is less and that's just me.
It's something you don't like and think could be improved in some way what's wrong with that?
>>344231172
Incorrect. Mercy's legendary skins are pretty great. So are Zenyatta's, Bastion's, Hanzo's Symmetra's, D.va's,McCree's, Reaper's, Reinhardt's, Pharah's epic skins are pretty cool. At the very least, many characters look better in different colour skins
>>344219856
A grind for better game balance can be fun too. Look at WoT, WoWS, and Warthunder.
>>344231736
The hypothetical is relevant because it further establishes your view on the value of cosmetics. By answering it you've established that both positive and negative you think cosmetics have almost no real value, which is fine as your opinion but where we fundamentally disagree.
>>344231736
>Once you get the sprays the first time every additional time you get them will be free credits
Yes, and the value of these is what we're arguing over. What, maybe 5 credits? How long before you can get that legendary skin you wanted at 5 credits for every duplicate spray you get?
Why not instead, allow you to sell duplicates for more? Why not remove duplicates entirely and replace them with action money drops. How is getting 25% on a duplicate better than having no duplicates or replacing duplicates with their actual value or more?
>>344232607
>their actual value
they have no value whatsoever, and I'd be fine with duplicates not giving anything
>>344232341
just because you can pay money for them doesn't mean they have value
>>344231580
Dota 2 is free to play
all my kek
So are you supposed to get matched with 5 shitters every competitive game or does everyone just carry their entire team every game?
>>344218965
>>344219897
jesus christ summer just go away please just stop posting
>>344232809
Again, we fundamentally disagree on that point because I think the desirability of cosmetics give them some value in a game made so popular by it's artistic design.
If you think they have no value at all then that's fine, but the argument is at an impasse because it's down to one opinion vs another so there's not much point going further there. It's fine to agree to disagree.
>>344233396
But you can't trade them
that argument works for games like TF2 with expensive hats, but all the hats in overwatch are just hats
>>344225742
I miss this so much. No games have any secrets anymore. Dark Souls is the only thing that comes close.
>>344233524
Tradability adds more value to them but I don't think that a lack of tradability invalidates their value. I'll never pay money for a loot box but I still think the cost should be cut in half because 1.20$ is ridiculous.
it's amazing how we've reached the point in time where people will literally go to depths end to defend microtransactions simply because it's cosmetic.
>b-but you don't have to buy them!
microtransactions are cancer, period.
>>344234002
It's war wounds. Microtransactions have been so deeply shitty in the past with F2P and EA blushit that cosmetic only microtransactions understandably look EXTREMELY favorable.
>>344234002
I'll also play devils advocate and say it's possible to have good micro-transactions, just there's little incentive for any company to actually do it.
For example if it were laughably cheaper to buy all the skins, say 10$ gets you every current unlock and loot boxes are more common, they'd be serving the actual positive purpose of the things, spending cash to skip ahead instead of using time.
It's just too tempting for a company to start to tease their playerbase's sense of patience so that they're just a little more inclined to pay up out of frustration rather than need.
>>344234002
>>344234147
You're just on a pointless crusade against microtransactions on principle and it's retarded. I dont think any content should be off limits to a player who cant afford it or simply doesnt want to have to pay extra. I dont think anyone should be able to buy themselves an advantage either.
But what you have here is an online only game, that is intended to be the next big IP for Blizzard, they're expecting it to last for years to come and that will mean constantly adding new content, new maps, new heroes, etc but they have specifically said you will never have to pay for heroes or maps or anything like that, and there's no subscription fee.
The money for this shit has to come from somewhere, do you expect Blizzard to take funds from it's other IPs? Do you think the retail sale of the game alone will cover the costs of sustaining it for years to come?
The only things you can buy in game is a a box of random crap that negligibly alters hero's appearances, why is that an issue? The money to sustain the game isn't going to appear out of thin air
>>344234002
Nit picking and making post bitching about the small things in games is actually the shit killing this industry. Industries have their flaws, but not utilizing the flaws make the flaws nonexcisting.
It's actually ridiculous that Blizzard fanboys defend this shit so much.
The loot crates are one problem, but the game also has less content than most F2P games out there right now. Yet Blizzdrones paid $40 - $60 for it and then proceed to buy crates too.
Also I can't wrap my head around this
Battlefront had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Brink had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Destiny had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Street Fighter V had a lack of content on release
>Got shat on
Overwatch had a lack of content on release
>"10/10"
Why? Because Blizzard's fan base is the most retarded of them all
>>344235268
see
>>344234726
>>344235441
I don't understand your last part but why would it be bad to suggest improvements to those flaws? Like the anon above, they're fine with the loot box rate but say the duplicate refund value is too low, that's fine to point out.
>>344215686
>more than a dollar per box
holy shit, and you usually get nothing but garbage out of them.
>>344235268
>The money to sustain the game isn't going to appear out of thin air
You're delusional if you think they actually need microtransactions to "sustain the game"
>>344235525
This guy is a total faggot but when he's right he's right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTsJZD3YFQ
>>344235525
Honestly with how insanely popular the characters and setting are, I'm amazed they put so little effort in the story within the game. They spend so much of starcraft making Kerrigan into a waifu space angel but in a game that people obsessed over even before release they don't even bother to add their lore videos into a bio tab in game.
>Never spend a dime on boxes
>Just play a shitton because I think the game is fun
>Get every single skin I wanted
>Coins just pile up now and I can piss them away whenever I want something
>>344232058
The system is a little flawed for sure, but 'no one should ever have to resort to buying loot' was my point.
Its a byproduct of just playing the game and enjoying it, and I think a majority agrees that its a pretty fair way of distributing these signs of "prestige" and opulence. Cause at the end of the day thats what they are, opulent little trophies you use to 'show off' or be a cool guy.
Is it really so wrong that you put in some work for that kinda stuff? I mean lots of games make you work for prestige an shit.
>>344216380
But nobody is forcing you to buy anything. You can unlock everything by just playing the game, the microtransactions are just there for the spergs who need their character to look a certain way for their POTG screens.
>>344235993
I keep spending my shit the second I get it, you'll probably be on top when they start releasing new stuff.
>>344236089
>'no one should ever have to resort to buying loot'
You're right and I agree with you there. My argument is just I think the current rate is uncomfortable and could be improved. It's nowhere near bad enough to make me want to actually pay or to hamper my enjoyment of the game.
It'd just be nice to have 2-3 boxes at the end of a session to open, rather than 1 that could easily be a grey grey blue grey (with duplicates!).
As for prestige, I'd be fine with getting more boxes but the epic stuff costs more/is rarer. Make the recolors easy to get but the legendaries still come in at the current rate or even rarer.
>>344235993
Buy a legendary skin for new hero when it comes
>>344235525
>Because Blizzard's fan base is the most retarded of them all
Never played a Blizzard game in my life. Quick play only got stale after a few weeks and soon after that they had competitive so I don't really care. More importantly competitive is complete shit right now, if anything quick play now seems 10 times better in comparison. Pretty sick of my skill ranking getting fucked because other people are quitting
>win, flatten enemy team
>cry babies rage quit near the end
>Blizzard algorithm: "durr 6v5 isn't fair, we need to reduce the skill you earned!"
>receive less than 10% of what you would've earned if everyone had stayed til the end
>player on your team quits
>lose match
>skill you lose is exactly the same as if you'd lost a fair 6v6 match
>play 10 games where someone quits and you receive less xp
>lose 1 single match under any circumstances, completely wipes out any progress you made
>>344216828
Do you complain about CoD and Battlefield having guns locked behind XP walls?
>>344236143
No one forces you to pay in a F2P game either. It's the same sort of mentality though, teasing your sense of patience so that you're more inclined to pay up. Don't get me wrong though, it's not NEARLY as bad as a F2P game by any respect. It's just that people expect that shit in a F2P game because that's where the money you save from not buying the game actually goes. People feel that paying full price for Overwatch should mean that there's no question that they aren't being manipulated even if only a little bit by the micro transactions. The fact that the whole thing is randomized, duplicates give you even less than just getting a coin box, and no ability to sell stuff you don't want leans further into that mentality of teasing your frustration so you want to just pay and get it over with faster.
It's like adds on on a streaming site. You can pay to get rid of them or be patient and ignore them but the show itself is the same.
>>344227002
Seeing as it needs to be there to be able to see it on other players, I don't get your point.
>>344236949
Like if the loot system were exactly the same but there were no microtransactions, then you could argue that blizzard honestly thinks this is the most enjoyable way to unlock cosmetics. You could argue they're thinking long term or anything like that and maybe they'll improve it in some way if something turns out to be bad like if you don't like getting only 25% for duplicates.
The presence of Microtransactions, and expensive ones at that, means they have an insentive to make the free option intentionally bad because then people will lean more toward giving them money. If there's any problem with the system, ignoring that problem is still a benefit to them in one way.
There's literally nothing wrong with charging for cosmetics that don't affect gameplay.
>>344236518
Well if you havent looked into the system, lvl 1-30 are easy box gets, but after that you need a flat 22000(i think) for every level till 100. Once you hit 100 you'll level back down to 1 where you once again get 30 levels of easy boxs.
I dont know if you already knew this, but its the only thing I can think of that may help.
I wish you the best on the box hunt, anon.
>>344237458
But thats the thing, they're not even charging for cosmetics, you can get literally any of the cosmetics by levelling up, being awarded a loot box of items, and saving in game currency to buy things. If you can't be bothered to level up and earn the box, you can buy some.
Arguing against microtransactions in this particular case is even stupider than complaining cosmetics are behind paywalls
>>344237673
Nah I knew but I just think the 22000 rate is a little much. I'm looking forward to the 100 reset though, thanks for the consideration.
>>344236949
If you feel pressure to buy something that you don't need the problem is with you.
All it takes is willpower and not being an idiot.
>>344235669
You can address problems but OP and the guy I replied to isn't trying to do anything other than cause a shit show. They're not here to discuss anything, just bitch and moan about non problems in a game they don't like. Yeah it's kinda lame that there are buyable boxes. They're not intrusive and you get plenty by playing the damn game. There a lot of lame shit in games, i guarantee there's lame shit in everyone's favorite game too. It's all relative in the end and I'd rather people get pissy about real bullshit. Like the competitive being kanji as shit or how updates are slow because they have to match console updates.
I don't mind actual complaints, but salt filled rage posting that just grasps at straws is the filth not only killing the industry but also really filling the board with more shit day by day.
all those questions and problems and whatever can be answered easily: Who Gives A Fuck?
Is your life so empty that THIS is your biggest problem? you dont have financial issues? problems in the family? health problems? nothing else to worry about? a bunch of cosmetic items in some dumb fucking game is whats ruining your life? Who.. gives... a shit??
>>344237860
Nothing stupid with saying something could be more enjoyable. No one says this system is worse than most of the the existing microtransaction systems, just that it still has it's own flaws. Getting 25%, even less than a regular coin box, for duplicates is pretty stupid since it means you're getting less reward for opening many boxes rather than more, what's wrong with pointing that out?
>>344237949
Soldier on mah nigga
>>344238171
No one said this was their biggest problem or even that it significantly ruined this game.
By your logic the most important thing in your life right now is 4chan and.... I'm very sorry for you there and will get out of your way.Congrats on having that perfect financel, family, and health that complaining about people complaining is your own biggest worry though.
>>344237949
EIGHT GAMES
>>344238379
I'm too used to D.Va looking like a dorito goblin around soldier dad.
>>344238197
>Nothing stupid with saying something could be more enjoyable
How? How could it be more enjoyable? Theres fucking cosmetic changes that do absolutely nothing to affect your experience or the experiences of other players, you can unlock literally any of these changes simply by playing the damned game, earning the loot boxes, saving the in game currency. If you really want you can just pay for boxes and not have to level for them, and congrats, you paid real world money to dress your favourite hero a bit differently, with no impact whatsoever on the game. What about that makes the game less enjoyable than it could be?
that's the issue being discussed here, we're talking about the microtransactions, not the currency system.
>>344238417
look at this thread man, people are discussing it like it its some round table with all the world leaders sitting around trying to figure out how to combat a plague or something, look at this thread, people pull so much philosophy like its some important issue, who gives a fuck? a bunch of pixels piss you off so much you gotto start a useless thread? youre fucking miserable if such a tiny little shit manages to annoy you so much, focus on the good and youll become less of a miserable depressed fat sack of shit
>>344238498
If you think 8 games is the sweet spot for you then power to you. I just personally think 5-6 is comfier without going too far and making them free consolation prizes. I also think the epics are a bit to common and am fine with them being harder to get.
>>344215686
It's a F2P game with a 40$ Cash Shop activation
>>344238805
>4chan
>focus on the good
Pick one.Again, grats on the perfect life, Anon. Sorry an image board is your only trouble which grabbed your arm and made you read through a thread you don't like so you had to complain about how bad it is to complain :^(
>>344238835
8 games is what it is
it will never be 6, just accept it and stop being so impatient for something irrelevant
>/v/ is vehemently defending microtransactions (in any form)
>the argument is "you don't have to buy them", without realizing that the more leeway you give to companies, the more they'll start to put behind paywalls and more microtransactions
I never thought I'd live to see the day that /v/ likes and will actively defend microtransactions
Bravo Blizzard, bravo Activision, bravo. You've done it. You've won.
>>344239130
>Just accept something that could be better but won't be.
Because it's the thread topic and this is 4chan? There's also threads complaining about decade old games and nitpicking those, what's your point?
>>344222314
They cost 2 dollars each so there is a discount if you buy many at the same time. But why would you ever buy a box anyways? You get them for free all the time.
>>344239308
muh slippery slope
>>344239308
Keep in mind, people were also defending 30fps on a daily basis because something about an eceleb and "REEEEEE". There's no objective reason to WANT 30fps, but it still works so don't ever complain about it or you'll be agreeing with an eceleb on the internet.
>>344239362
It's fine that you don't like it but there's no reason to have sour grapes over something you'll never change.
If you really want to argue about it I think you're an entitled impatient brat who can't cope with the fact that the lights on the screen don't flash enough
>>344239308
>without realizing that the more leeway you give to companies, the more they'll start to put behind paywalls and more microtransactions
Are you actually this stupid? This isn't the beginning of microtransactions, this isn't that start of some slippery slope, this is a step away from it you useless fuck-nugget. We already have games with maps and DLC, weapons and perks,all sorts of things that legitimately affect gameplay, being put behind pay walls. People don't like it, Blizzard is aware of that, which is why literally nothing in Overwatch is, or will be behind a pay wall, it can all be earned, further more there seems to be no plans whatsoever for bonus items that affect gameplay regardless of whether they have to be bought or earned. Literally every additional thing is purely cosmetic and completely attainable simply by playing the game.Why? because people have had enough of microtransactions.
Anyone who has an issue with being able to buy boxes for cosmetics you inevitably get anyway must be a genuine retard with poor self-control.
>>344239908
b-b-but other people are getting things faster than me. It's not fair :(
>>344239643
>If you really want to argue
Why did you come to 4chan and why did you click on a thread nitpicking something you're fine with then? You could have gone to a thread with something you actually like.
>>344239819
Fucking this
>>344240071
I like to stumble from one internet fight to the next
it's a hobby
>>344239908
>>344240002
It's not about buying them, especially at the rate they're going you're right, it's terrible impulse control.
It's about how they could be improved in various ways, like just getting rid of duplicates or at least making them as valuable as the regular coin boxes. But that won't ever happen because the existence of a pay option means that anything wrong with the free option only makes pay look better by comparison.
Also anyone who says the loot system at all actually ruins their enjoyment of the game is also crazy, I just think it's a valid nitpick.
>>344240176
Meh, I can get that. I want to keep in practice with keeping my points of an argument clear and free of misunderstanding.
It's also just fun in general.
>>344240383
If duplicates were removed or made to give currency boxes, you'd literally be able to buy everything within a couple dozen levels.
>>344233882
>even if there were secrets like this you would find out instantly thanks to the internet
>>344239819
>Paying $2.99 for 2 loot boxes is a step away from microtransactions
Bravo Blizzard, bravo Activision, you've gone and confused people so much they don't know what they are saying. Mother fucking bravo.
>>344239819
You know I actually agree with you on that. I've been nitpicking half the thread but completely agree that what overwatch does have is still one of the best microtransaction systems I've seen. I just don't like how it's still behind the asking price in a game that ignoring the cosmetics, is pretty lacking in other areas. Call it a 2 step forward 1 step back, the current system is quite good and much better than most, but it's very unlikely it'll improve any further for this game. Perhaps on the next one.
>>344240590
>was is voluntary isolation
plebs
>>344240876
Yes, it is.
Boxes filled with cosmetics you get effortlessly just by playing. It doesn't even take long to get an assortment of skins for every hero, or for currency.
Not maps, or weapons, or characters.
How can you be so retarded?
>>344240580
You could tweak it in other ways too. Even with the current system i think epic skins are too common. Having more loot box drops in general satisfies my issue of only getting one prize after 8 rounds, but you could also make the higher tier skins cost even more so they're still things that take extra effort to earn.
Hell, you could just make it so that epic drops alone can't be duplicates just so you don't feel cheated on a rare drop, but leave everything below it the same and it'd still be a massive improvement.
>>344216380
It's an unfortunate norm but its nothing new.
Also
You don't have to buy it, everything can be purchased in game, it's all cosmetic and future maps, modes and heroes are free.
It's the lesser of two evil, which most games don't do.
>>344239094
what made you think i read anything in this shitfest of a thread?
>>344241705
Agreed, that's one of the things I think a lot of people miss in these arguments. As much as I've been complaining about the current loot system it both doesn't ruin my fun with the game and is FAR better than what most games in a similar place would do.
My complaints are more just that it's a little frustrating as is and is very unlikely to ever be improved in any way because that would translate into fewer Blizzard bux But yes it's still way better than most.
>>344239094
>le 4chan is angry grumpy
news flash asshole there are plenty of threads that focus on the good in games instead of taking a tiny fucking problem and turning it into some world disaster
>>344242000
Oh no! The one ruining your perfect life and forcing you to reply to internet video game threads is me! I'm so sorry!Shoot! I did it again! :^(((
>>344242139
>Talking about positive threads while participating in a negative one.
Coulda just filtered and moved on too.
If blizz actually wanted to be sellouts they would have made skins tradeable and marketable a la csgo and overwatch would be shitting out money.
>>344243027
You can be a little bit a sellout without going full csgo.
In the same vein, the game was crazy popular even before release just due to the character design and artistic design, I'm shocked they were so lazy with the world building and lore inside the actual game. Especially with how hard they worked making Kerrigan into a space angel made of light who's love story was the final note in a multi faction galactic war.
>>344243027
they don't have the infrastructure steam does to handle a market, just look what happened with D3
>>344239308
Dude, those situations already exist in games and they started to drive people away from those games. We already fell down the slippery slope, this is a step in the other direction and you guys still get all pissy about it when there are still worse examples in other games. It's just an overwatch shitposting thread.
>>344215686
since day 1, yes
but it's hard to tell who is sharing their genuine opinions or experiences, and who is just filling quotas for their social media spamming work
reminder that people who try to deflect about how social media spamming is made-up, are the people who are paid to do it in the first place. tons of them hang out here, and on twitter, and facebook and reddit and etc. it's all the same.
>>344244293
Nah man, I've already said several times pretty much the same thing. It's 2 steps forward and 1 step back and still far better than most games. But many are doing the opposite extreme to what you're saying. Instead of " It's still bad but a step in the right direction" you have people going "It's not the worst so shut up and stop complaining", still bad but in the other way.
>>344242275
you got serious mental problems, seek help
>>344245572
Thanks for the advice, but don't feel the need to reply to this! You have so many more important things to do!:^) <3
>>344245370
>the face of neo-/v/
>>344215686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smv8thwYfo
THIS LOOT BOXES ARE SO AWESOME LULKAPPASORANDOM
>>344215686
The biggest problem with paying for loot boxes is that you can't just get what you want, you have to pay for a CHANCE to get what you want. Imagine you went to a store and you had to pay $20 for a chance to get an item you want and they ranged from a candy bar to a (very rarely) a TV. A lottery for for simply shopping should be illegal.
>>344249464
Yeah, it's weird there's no option to buy coins, only boxes. It's one of the reasons people have lots of nitpicks, the system overall is better than most, but there's tons of little flaws that could be improved.
>>344215686
i will defend it because thats what keeps maps and characters free. dont care if some hat fags want to subsidize that shit for me.
