>Nvidia says 1060 will outperform a 980
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-launch,32214.html
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1060
Well shit. Glad I waited.
>>344171607
And cost 999999$ too twice that in Europe. becuase vat.
>>344171607
>no SLI
>Price premium is somewhat awkward to 480 with respect to 1070
I hate to say it, but 1070 is a better proposition, and RX 480 would be the better option if budget's a constraint.
>>344171607
Companies say a lot of things.
Better to wait for it to release and becnhmarks to come out.
>I'm going to buy the reference model.
>>344171932
>sli
you stupid fuck. no casual here is in sli. lots of games don't even support it. single gpu is best gpu
>Founders Edition meme
>>344171932
>980 for $250
It's fine.
This seems like a pretty pointless card but i guess its going to replace the 970's spot since its out of production?
1070 and 1080 both seem like the better investment. I think i'll just wait a year and buy a 1070.
this will really put a dent on 980 aftermarket prices. i'll probably opt for that. still using a 470
>>344174021
I'd use the 980 instead of the 1060.
>>344171932
The RX 480 is a GTX 970 with AMD drivers that damages motherboards, so no.
>>344173623
Pointless? Its the new budget card. Depending on how its performance and everything actually turns out it might be THE budget card.
>>344171607
>>Nvidia says 1060 will outperform a 980
The only way they will mange that is if they cripple the 980 with bad drivers.
>>344175270
>if
you make it sound like they wont, anon.
>>344175270
>if
W E W L A D
>>344173623
I told myself this about the 980 and now I'm debating waiting until the 1060 or 1070 go down in price.
I have a 560gtx card. I can't keep putting this shit off.
I WANT TO PLAY WITCHER 3 DAMN IT.
They'll gimp the 980 to make the 1060 do this.
Also it's just PR anyway so who cares
>>344175270
>if
yeah wouldn't it be a surprise if they did that
>>344171607
>$250 for 980 performance
Holy shit, AMD is
F I N I S H E D
>>344178243
Buy the 1070 already and quit being a cheap little fuck.
What the fuck is this "founders edition" bullshit?
>>344173623
I got lucky and got a 1070 right when they came out, and I love it.
>>344179310
Reference cards
>>344179310
Pay a 15-25% premium just because
>>344179310
Early adopter tax.
I hope they don't jew us yuropoors. Maybe I'll consider importing it from the UK.
>>344179310
its how Nvidia makes a markup on the fake MSRP
>>344179996
Explain please
>Nvidia says 1080 will outperform Titan X
>/v/ starts screaming that it's just marketing BS
>It actual outperforms the Titan X
>Nvidia announces 1060, says it will outperform the 980
>"N-no way it can do that!!!!"
>>344171607
>Nvidia says
>AMD says
naive
>>344180463
What can you expect from AMD drones?
>$250
>Actually selling it for $300
nvidiots should just kill themselves if they buy into the fe meme
>>344180856
Who bought into it?
>>344180750
Why can't AMD into power efficency?
Seriously, why not just pour money into making their GPUs more efficient?
>>344180412
>Nvidia announces MSRP of $379, $599 for 1070/1080
>also releases "founders edition", people realize this is the new Nvidia marketing term for the reference model
>founders editions are sold for $70-$100 markup
>Nvidia limits the supply of Pascal GPUs
>aftermarket Pascal cards are selling for beyond the price of the founders edition because they are built and perform better, Nvidia fanboys are already gobbling up cards at the reference model price so new cards are sold for far more than MSRP
>Nvidia doesn't get punished because AMD doesn't have a stopgap before Vega comes in and provides better value
>Nvidia cards are never sold near the MSRP, unlike AMD which sold the 480s for MSRP
>>344171607
but the 1070 barely out performs the 980
>>344181040
You mean the 980 Ti.
>>344181142
Classic AMD shills can't get the facts straight.
>>344171607
will i be able to play stuff like batman and deus ex: md on max settings with this?
Who here /day one buy/?
>>344181040
It handily beats both the regular 980 and Ti 980.
>>344181243
At 1080p 60 FPS? Absolutely. At 1440p, perhaps at some lowered settings.
POO IN THE GPU
>still have a 780
Long have I awaited this day
>>344181301
n-n-nuh uh!
>>344181008
What money?
Who /teamswitching/? HD 7870 here. Buying this bad boy day one.
>>344179310
A way to announce a bullshit msrp they'll never abide by nor their partners. AMD does virtually the same, they based their whole hype on a 200$ card that doesn't exist...
>>344181392
Isn't Linus an intel shill?
Does anyone else fear getting a 1060 just because of the VRAM?
The 480, 1070, and 1080 all have 8VRAM.
I fear that lazy developers will just make 8vram the standard because most GPUs will have it and they can do less work.
So is the 970 still a may may card or is it worth getting? I've got a 560 ti and am thinking of getting either the 960 or 70
>>344181698
It is a 1080p card, 6gb is more than enough.
>>344181783
Not worth it. 970 has the 3.5gb vram problem. Just grab a 1060. 960 is awful. It has 2 Gbs of memory.
>>344171607
>nividia
enjoy your planned generational obsolescence via propitiatory shit
>amd
enjoy your cheap ass components frying
The only thing that's relevant is the price and performance of the OC'd models of the RX 480 and GTX 1060.
Anything else is irrelevant.
Unfortunately we don't know anything about either. Just some possibilities with the RX 480.
>>344178243
yeah bro, get a 1070 and just enjoy witcher. i play on a 4gb 960 and it runs amazing.
>>344181943
So then what grafix card do I buy if they both suck ass?
>>344181895
I'm seeing multiple 960's with 4 gigs of vram though
>>344182121
Nvidia
>>344179310
Nvidia greed for the:
a) retarded people.
b) unlucky people that want to remove the stock fan to use a water cooling system.
>300
jeeewwwssss
So much for upgrading
>>344182154
I guess they are a thing. Regardless unless your budget is peanuts a 1060 is the way to go.
>>344181783
>So is the 970 still a may may card or is it worth getting?
The 970 isn't worth any money at this point.
The 960 has a worse price-performance than the RX 480 4GB.
Either wait for the GTX 1060 if you are ok with the Nvidia price shittery or get a RX 480 4GB CUSTOM card.
>>344181876
>It is a 1080p card, 6gb is more than enough.
You underestimate the lazy developers.
Might be good for a year or two.
But in year 3?
Might be shit.
The 3VRAM one would be total garbage though.
Nowhere near enough VRAM.
>>344182121
you buy the HBM2 cards that come Q4
everything on the market right now will be trashed by HBM2
>>344182465
>You underestimate the lazy developers.
This. Some games already exceed 6gb at 1080.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU7BibxgQSM
6.5
>>344182465
If the card is crippled at 1080p in 3 years, buy a new one.
>>344182154
960 is worse than the 380 which is probably still cheaper but
>drivers
And the 970 will cut it for a lot of games(assuming you're only doing 1080) but you're getting screwed on the VRAM and it's kind of shitty to encourage that kind of deception
Is GTX 650Ti still viable?
I got one for free from my coworker today.
>>344182618
>This. Some games already exceed 6gb at 1080.
wut....
How.
>>344179310
It has a special cooler you won't find in the other vendor versions.
>>344182896
For games pre 2014 it maxes everything maybe.
For games in 2015 and after, you can low or mid settings.
>>344175270
>If
New to Nvidia practices i take?
>>344182465
>>344182905
>lazy developers
Oh, suddenly developers are lazy for making use of the new console generation's features when before everyone was crowing about how console held them back? Consoles have 8GB of shared RAM, they have no reason not to use it, especially when before every misc object in a game would be a blurry mess.
>>344175270
this
>>344171932
"Le AMD is cheap" meme is one of the worst pieces of misinformation on the net today. Shills like you never take into account that you always need a better motherboard, and PSU when you get AMD shit product to rule our potential issues, and something to cool off your shitty card. Did I mention AMD has a shit performance everywhere but in DX12 games like ashes of singularity? A game which is objectively a larger failure than Battleborn.
Not to mention that as off right now only a few places IN THE U.S sell it for the suggested price, you retarded shill. Try to convince anyone that AMD is a budget option when in Europe a RX 480 is competing at the same price range of a 980, and it is much more expensive than a 970 SC, let alone used cards.
No rupees have been deposited in your account pajeet.
Your post is shit.
>>344182006
new drivers, 8 pin sapphire 480 nitro
>>344184034
Also, efficiency.
You pay a cheaper bill on the long run with nvidia.
>>344183508
Filling instead of optimizing when your target is 1080p30 IS lazy though.
>>344182618
Some games will make use of the extra Vram but it isn't necessarily needed.
I remember playing Shadow of Mordor with my 970 on max settings at 1080p and according to MSI afterburner I was using 5.6gb and the 970 has 4gb of Vram.
INB4 3.5gb meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBGEqlvPc_4
>>344184349
>assuming filling isn't optimised
Do you also use a RAM cleaner? Performance isn't going to tank just from bigger textures that still fit in memory.
>>344181008
Because they have no money and internal power struggles with-in the company have taken their toll in development.
They have no money because no one buys their inferior products. Only consoles, and pre-built desktops use AMD. Hell not even brands like HP, Dell, Lenovo etc bother with AMD products for their workstations.
AMD is years behind schedule. It is not a real competitor, hence the theories that Nvidia is sitting pretty on new technologies they have not implemented on mainstream products because they have no real competition.
>>344184281
An argument that makes sense in krautland where you actually pay for electricity. North America can be lower than 15 cent per kwh depending on where you live.
>>344171607
>300$ "budget" card
>barely beats a 480
Top cuck nvidia shills
is this the best you can do?
>inb4 some shill talks about how oever a 5 year period the .425 watts per hour I save will somehow matter
>>344184908
what's the highest you'll pay?
>>344184656
>30fps is optimized
k
>>344181035
>unlike AMD which sold the 480s for MSRP
Uh huh, sure.
I am sure there is an over demand of Rx 480 reason why every single one of them sold at the MSRP are out of stock, but you can buy these goy.
Nah, fuck you.
>>344185108
RX480 is $250, so is the non FE 1060.
>>344185281
Textures don't crunch frame rates, fancy post processing effects do.
>>344185368
$239 is the MSRP of the 8GB card
>>344185368
The 199 MSRP is only for the 4GB version of the 480
You could just flash it to the 8GB version, though
>a 250$ AMD card is somehow 200$
>a 250$ nvidia card is somehow 300$
AMDrones are this desperate
>>344185654
It's truly sad
>>344185157
The highest rate for residential is Boston MA at 30cent, New York and San Fran are close to that price as well.
>>344185561
It was $225, and yes, I know. The point is that no one is selling these for the suggested price, they all just happen to be out of stock, the only ones in stock are the over priced ones.
>>344171607
>people here actually bought 480s
holy shit.
If it does outperform the 980 then it is worth an extra $30 over the 480.
>>344171607
well why the fuck wouldn't it? it's a new card
>>344185821
it was never $225
>>344181035
If you think they intentionally limited the supply to mark cards up you're a fucking retard. Limiting the supply results in thousands of less sales from people who don't think things through and buy impulsively
It's sad to watch kids here concoct conspiracy theories because they've never once paid attention to a video card launch.
There are stock issues on the flagship cards EVERY TIME. IT TAKES TIME TO MAKE THEM.
>>344185915
Not only did they buy a 480 they also bought gimped reference cards.
>>344186237
HAHAHAAA
>>344183020
>For games pre 2014 it maxes everything maybe.
try pre 2011. you have no idea what you're talking about.
>tfw almost bought a 1070 for 1080p/60fps vidya
Glad I didn't pull the trigger on that. Will probably pick up a 1060.
>>344186131
Could you please DELETE YOUR POST?
>>344171607
Is there a more incompetent company than AMD? They spent a year building and hyping their new mid range card. Then it turns out to barely be better than a 970 with power draw issues and a shit overclocker.
Then nvidia, as an afterthought, releases a card that beats it for the same price bracket, and can overclock to 2000mhz. Your competition literally isn't trying any more and are still coming out on top.
Get your shit together amd.
>>344186029
the 480 has no value. the price/performance of a 480 is zero.
you don't buy intentionally poorly engineered shit that damages your system.
A lot of people on /v/ seem to think this is some little blip. I've been building computers since 1995 and I've never seen ANYTHING like this 480 card shit happening. The closest thing was the pentium math bug (which cost intel billions of dollars)
How does the 1060 stack up to the 290x? Want to upgrade and 250 is a nice price range.
>>344186642
So you built a PC in 1995, fell into a coma, and woke up 3 months ago?
Because this isnt exactly a new type of issue.
>>344185654
>AMD card announced for 199$
>sells for 229€ in EU
>Nvidia card announced for 249$
>ends up going for 350€ in EU
Nvidia international pricing is fucked up
>>344186848
>Because this isnt exactly a new type of issue.
drawing overvoltage way beyond spec *IS* exactly a new type of issue
the card should have never gone to market and there are confirmed dead mobos already from 480 users.
>>344186795
Assuming your 290X is OC'd, its not gonna be a huge upgrade.
>>344186964
>there are confirmed dead mobos already from 480 users
People overdraw 3x the amount on shitty office PC mobos for two days straight and literally nothing happend. You can't find a single case of mobos getting damaged that isn't clearly staged, even the Nvidia shills who tried to reproduce it failed
>>344187128
bummer
I feel uncomfortable sitting on a card for this long
>>344186131
Take a look at the achieved discussions on this topic niggerino.
>>344186795
Probably a downgrade, especially in DX12
>>344187224
>muh internet anecdotes
sorry, just not good enough for those of us who understand some level of computer/electrical engineering
>People overdraw 3x the amount on shitty office PC mobos for two days straight and literally nothing happend
if you think this is true you're hilarious.
Thinking AMD should be given a free pass cause "nothing will happen despite it being wildly out of spec" is pure fanboyism, nothing more.
Shit like this is downright unacceptable. period.
>>344187331
There's absolutely no way a 1060 is a downgrade to a 290x. Rofl.
Like twice smaller process size, more memory, all the new memory bandwidth compression tech etc
>all those people saying AMD is back during the 480 launch
>>344187384
>if you think this is true you're hilarious
That's literally what 8bauer did. You know, that guy that usually overclocks Nvidia GPUs and brands them with his name.
>Shit like this is downright unacceptable
But it's okay when Nvidia does it :^)
>>344187527
>more memory
There are 8GB models of the 290X out there and yeah, the 290X is more beefy in DX12.
>>344187327
go ahead and post them, the only articles stating the MSRP was even $229(and not the $225 that was claimed) come from websites like WCCFtech and Videocardz which have a bad reputation as far as accuracy are concerned
>>344187719
I don't know why you'd think I would know who this person was. But once again, it's anecdotal: specifications exist for a reason. If you don't understand the value in adhering to specifications, there's really nothing I can talk to you about, as you and I have fundamental differences in how we view the world.
>Asus 960 Strix
yeah, I knew that was gonna come up. But you and I both know it's a straw man so I'm not even going to address it. :3
It's a terrible strawman too, a third party breaking a board and a reference design being broken are 2 worlds apart.
>>344187527
Look up benchmarks before you shitpost.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1716?vs=1746
>BUT THE 390X ISNT A 290X!!!
It's a rebadge you fuckwit.
>>344187234
Yeah, it sucks, but thats the way things go. If you bought a Sandy Bridge processor in 2011 you're still golden. If you bought an R9 290/290X or a 7950/7970 you're still good to go.
I'm actually going to pick up a used R9 290 for about $160 myself, BIOS mod it to be a 390X, and overclock/overvolt it and enjoy the RX480 killer.
>>344181587
you may be legitimately retarded. Please see a doctor about that.
>>344186398
My 670 runs 2014 games at max.
I think the saddest thing is that if Nvidia had this huge power draw problem AMD fans would have meme spammed it around 500000 times by now.
>>344187883
>yeah, the 290X is more beefy in DX12.
severely unlikely and nothing/nobody uses DX12 anyway.
Ashes of the singularity, yes, I know, the game that nobody even knows what the gameplay is about.
The future of the industry is in Vulkan. Sorry, but they already won (industry sees microsoft trying to attack and control PC gaming as a platform for 10+ years is not going to buy into microsofts shit)
>>344187917
>It's a terrible strawman too, a third party breaking a board and a reference design being broken are 2 worlds apart.
D-DELETE THIS
>>344187917
>:3
Are you getting flustered or what? It's just a shitty gpu discussion senpai
>>344187883
Remind me how many games are designed fully around DX12 right now?
>>344187997
that's because a 670 is a fucking flagship card
>>344187990
Linus featured prominently in Intel's Retail Edge training program and is used as a host for several of their online quizzes about their products.
>>344171607
>Well shit. Glad I waited.
I hear this shit every time a video card discussion comes up. No matter if you wait or you buy now, better cards will still come out later.
Is it fair, bros?
It was supposed to be the way it's meant to be played..
>>344172693
> lots of games don't even support it
Like what, or are you just shit posting to shit post?
>>344188210
delete this
>>344188170
And? He made a video about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t73wXF8IF-8
Anyways what does it matter, Intel is usually better than AMD anyways, and I own an AMD cpu. If I build a new pc, it'll most likely be an i5 CPU.
>>344188210
Nice shit post. The AMD card wasn't even on hyper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZCJah-FY
>>344171880
Vat is getting dumped dude.read the news.at least for electronics
>>344188228
>17TB of storage
holy hell batman, how much anime and porn do you have stored on that poor machine?
>all these dumb shits buying reference cards
>>344188414
Nigga what? Did you even watch the first 30 seconds of that video?
>turns out, the 970 wasn't actually running on hyper settings in our first test
>>344188198
>No matter if you wait or you buy now, better cards will still come out later.
yes, but buying the equivalent of nvidia *60 cards when they come out is always the way to get the best bang for the buck and least issues etc.
You get the benefits of the new technology, reduced to not-retarded levels (who the fuck needs a 1080? to play what?), plus general nvidia quality over the competition.
I have been doing this for literally 20 years now. Only EVER buying midrange GPUs. High end GPUs are never worth the money
>>344188335
>3 frames cpu bound
>i7 6700k
>as opposed to a RX 480
wat
I have a 1440p 144hz monitor. What card do I buy for that? Fury X? 1080?
>>344186964
>here are confirmed dead mobos already from 480 users.
no there arent. like 2-3 people had problems out of thousands of cards sold. computer hardware fails all the time, and the nvidia cucks (who ALL got cucked by founder's edition and its not even debatable) created a media buttfuck (which is what nvidia does to its customers on a regular basis) that led these dumbasses to immediately conclude any problems they had were the fault of the card.
>>344188228
>Like what
the vast majority of all games whatsoever?
the number of dx12 games is less than 10. The number of dx11 and below games is thousands. what exactly are you confused about?
>>344188620
>nvidia *60 cards
>best bang for the buck
This has to be some new kind of meta falseflagging shitposting at this point.
>tfw 980
Eh, can't be bothered.
>>344186641
You gotta give the NVIDIA engineers more credit than "not trying". They are probably jewing their asses off but at least their product is solid. I just wish that they wouldn't nerf their own cards and just put out the best that they have asap and support it but that's not how you really make money sadly.
>>344188736
This is true. I have yet to read or hear anything of a widescale mobo failure rate.
>>344188842
explain why i'm wrong. Remember that I have 20 years of video card buying experience (are you 20?) and I literally witnessed the birth of consumer 3d cards with quake.
I know this industry and I know the products, so please, explain why I'm wrong
>>344171607
I haven't upgraded my PC since 2008 and I don't know shit about PC parts.
This seems pretty cheap, would this be a good card to get?
All I want to play is Mount and Blade 2 desu.
>>344188620
>who needs a 1080?
I do. To play Zelda Breath of the Wild on CEMU at 4K textures this March.
>>344188885
there wouldn't be anything to read or here. failures will go through RMA channels and 99.9% of buyers do not know about the power issues.
real life is not 4chan and not everyone is analytical like us
>>344188768
Remember when everyone said nobody would ever use DX10?
So now is the 1070 still worth it? Or should I just settle for the 1060 and save money
>>344188932
Nice try, but I won't fall for your bait.
Take this (you), though
>15% Better performance than RX 480
>Consumes 40 less watts (120 vs 160) while doing it
>Only costs $10 more than the 8GB RX 480
Holy fucking shit. Nvidia normally half asses the low end cards so AMD can get some market share, but this time around they're going to slap AMD's shit. What the fuck did Raja Koduri do, shit on the street in front of Jen-Hsun Huang's house or something? Nvidia is out for blood.
>>344188932
he needs the sheer brute force that a 1080 offers so that he can get 50 fps at 4k for all of his console ports
http://www.tomshardware.de/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-grafikkarte-treiber,testberichte-242146.html
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-Crimson-Edition-16.7.1-Release-Notes.aspx
New driver now fixed all rx480 problems. No reason to consider the 1060 now.
>>344188730
1x 1080 for 80fps, 2x 1080 for 120+. Or wait for a Ti / what AMD is offering.
>>344188842
To be fair, this has been a thing for a while. GTX460 being a prominent example.
>>344189095
1080p get the 1060.
Above the 1080p get the 1070.
>>344189031
>implying I strictly get my hardware news from one board.
>>344189054
people always say anything like that, difference is Vulkan wasn't already raping DX10 at this time.
Vulkan is a better API and it will outright win.
>>344189140
fucking owned go away kid
>>344189231
>No reason to consider the 1060 now.
LOL..there is no reason to ever consider the AMD part for people who actually understand things
the 1060 is same price as 480 and way the fuck faster and nvidia. 480 is dead.
>>344189231
>No reason to consider the 1060 now.
How about better performance with lower power consumption and less heat?
Why do I expect serious non-shilling hardware discussion on /v/?
Why do I expect serious discussion ever?
>>344182618
you know you dont need to play every single game at max, im still using and planning to continue to use 670gtx with 2gb vram until the next generation (until xbox scorpio), and games continue to ran fine at medium/high settings at 1080p. These extremely high vram amounts are literally made VR or just for marketing.
>>344189206
>nvidia cucks STILL believe the MSRP even after the 1080 and 1070 release
>nvidia cucks STILL believe nvidia claims of performance even after "2100mhz at 67C hurdur faster than 980sli herp"
holy shit
>>344188429
Proofs
>>344189480
>Why do I expect serious non-shilling hardware discussion on /v/?
Why do you? Expecting that is dumber than actually participating.
>Why do I expect serious discussion ever?
Maybe you have no friends and desperately hope that 4chan can give you something resembling an environment to participate in socially with your own insight and be respected for it.
>>344189480
>hardware discussion
Just look at 3 different benchmarks on 3 different websites and make your decision. GPU "discussion" is literally console war shitposting
>>344188730
>1080 for 1440
Obvious you should wait for the 1400 series.
>>344189612
>you know you dont need to play every single game at max,
No you don't but most people like to. Why would you not want to play all games on max settings?
>>344189628
Nvidia claimed that the 1070 was faster than the Titan X, and that the 1080 was faster than 2 way SLI 980s and both of those things are true. Remain butthurt amdrone.
>>344189717
Nice projecting
I currently own a GTX 780 on a i7 2600k mobo with 16 Gigs of RAM that I made years ago (4 years?).
How big of an upgrade would a 1060 be for my machine? Will I be bottlenecked by my CPU? I know most bottlenecks are shitty HDDs but that's not an issue.
>>344189826
Only reason why the 1070 outperforms the Titan X is the Titan X being cucked with reference cooler/PCB.
>>344189915
Except I don't actually expect anytthing from /v/ but shitposting. Nice try, though.
>i5 4460
>gtx 770
is 1070 a problem for my cpu
>mfw waiting for msi gaming gtx 1070 to drop to less than 500 euros
it is just so perfect, can't wait to get it as soon as the prices go down along the hype
>>344189957
Not much, about 10-20%. Not worth the effort, either get a 1070 or wait for AMD """high end""" offerings later this year.
>>344189771
because you will need to upgrade every generation, unless you have a lot of disposable income or dont have your money to spend elsewhere, it literally waste of money that you could maybe spend elsewhere (i keep dreaming of actually getting a new car, i just cant save up for :\)
>>344173623
If you wait a year you'll just be roped into waiting another year because something better is coming out
>>344171607
>tomshardware.com
>geforce.com
nice try, shill. you aren't fooling me today.
>>344190034
Why are you calling me an nvidiot for giving you reasons why people would consider the 1060 over the 480?
I couldn't care less who makes the gpu I buy, I just buy the best one for my money. If the 1060 is faster and cooler why would I buy the 480?
>>344189957
not worth it imo. Unless you can sell 780 for like 150-200$ for some cuck, then its worth it i guess :D.
>>344190080
No, "Cpu bound" doesn't really exist anymore in most cases. CPUs are insanely overpowered these days. It will likely never be an issue for you, ever.
>>344179310
It's a reference card, but instead of calling it that they want retards to think it's a special edition card with a markup. You'd be retarded to buy one tbhfam when 3rd party will slap on better coolers and up the speeds for roughly the same price.
>>344189976
In a reference to reference fight the 1070 still wins.
>>344190385
the level of 15 year old console war/brand war shit here is fucking astounding dude
you'd think we were a legion of middle schoolers in flat brim hats going to war over Monster energy drink vs. Rockstar
i have a 670 is the gap from 670 to 1060 big enough to be worth it?
>>344189826
>both of those things are true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdzZzSzF2I#
>nvidia's personal ass slave
hows that yellow dick on your prostate bro?
>>344190117
It's only 20% more powerful than 780? I find that hard to believe. I heard this new card is the best shit since sliced bread and I got a little hard.
>>344190407
Planning on doing that. Wouldn't I be bottlenecked by my CPU though?
>>344179843
>Relative performance
This shit again
>>344190706
>Wouldn't I be bottlenecked by my CPU though?
No
jesus fuck why is this in EVERY THREAD
cpu bottlenecking DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE
because most games PLACE A HUNDRED TIMES AS MUCH DEMAND ON THE GRAPHICS ADAPTER AS THE CPU
>>344181587
Anything for money.
So this is basically perfect if I have a 750TI, just got a well paying summer job, and am looking to upgrade, right?
>>344179843
What the fuck is 'relative' performance?
Relative to what exactly?
>>344191096
>buy inferior products on purpose so inferior products can continue to exist!
LOL
>>344190706
i think 2600k still holds up. Performance wise if you oc it, its performance is something like i5-6500 or i5-6600
>>344191121
wow
are you ok?
>>344191121
Rumorville does claim that the new Titan in progress is capable of bottlenecking CPUs, but I am a bit skeptical on that.
>>344191209
to 960
are you fucking stupid
>>344191170
yes.
>>344191096
480 is $250
1060 is $250
The 1060 is faster, what monopoly anon?
>>344171607
>Nvidia says
why do people still believe what nvidia ever says?
>>344191293
no anon I'm not, fucking young people here cant let go of a concept that stopped being relevant in the 90s, becuase it is a buzzword and they feel like they know more about things by saying it
>"but won't that BOTTLENECK me?" *giggles because he got to type the word bottleneck*
NO
THERE AREN'T ANY GAMES THAT ARE CPU INTENSIVE
IF YOU PLAY ONE, YOU KNOW IT IS AND YOU KNOW IF IT WILL BOTTLENECK YOU OR NOT, BECAUSE THE ONLY GAMES THAT ARE CPU INTENSIVE ARE FUCKING MEGA SPERG AUTIST GAMES like arma and shit.
Will my i5 3570k last awhile still?
>>344182595
$999 with much much higher power draw and about 10% higher estimated performance than a gtx 1080. Maybe if I wanted the next Titan, otherwise I'm good til Volta.
AMD is literally kill now. If Zen doesn't turn out amazing they're going to be bankrupt.
>>344182595
the actual memory being faster isn't going to make much of a difference at all. bus bandwidth is still more important
What games really benefit from a GTX 1060-1080?
>>344189241
Alright bought a 1070 super jetstream
>>344189241
How about 144hz 1080p
>>344191730
>If Zen doesn't turn out amazing
any second now, they're going to turn around 15 years of inferiority (which followed 2 years of almost-competing, which followed another 15 years of massive inferiority)
>>344171932
SLI is just a fucking buzzword. Same as AMD's crossfire
>>344191096
>buying an inferior
>without shadowplay
>>344191121
This.
Bottlenecking is only a problem if you have a really old GPU, as in 6 year old CPU.
>>344190670
1060 get around double the score in in 3dmark, im using myself 670, but im not gonna upgrade, this generation is last before we gonna get hbm2 or atleast gddr5x on low end. Only games that im truly waiting on are the new mount and blade (dont really need good rig), cyberpunk (released something like 2018) and new elderscroll (not even announced), so i dont really see a point upgrading my gpu for crappy games i dont even care about to look better.
I'm poor as shit. Is the GTX 960 a good upgrade to the 650 ti?
>>344191930
1070
>>344191986
you now have to login to use shadow play so any self respecting person no longer considers it an nvidia bonus.
>>344191545
wow
well the reason I ask is because I play games that are abnormally CPU intensive, not to mention most people stream which also is CPU intensive
I've been streaming since 200-fucking-9 so I always ask this and I forget why I need to aim a little higher
calm down tho dingus. some games can demand a ton of CPU power like unoptimized early access garbage like DayZ, Rust and then the triple A garbage like Total War series
you don't know. not everyone just plays console ports
>>344192062
Will you get a 1160 or a 1170 when the nextgen happens?
>>344190080
A couple of frames vs a i7 6500. You can Google it
>>344191096
>buy shitty products out of fear of the actually competent company getting a monopoly
I'd still rather fry my motherboard than shill money to nvidia and promote industry stagnation
>>344174021
980 would be a ton better. It will perform better out of the box, has a higher vram speed, and cost equal or maybe lower depending on how well 3rd party 480 overclocks.
1060 is a meme before it even came out.
>>344188335
I'm just going to keep my 970
>>344192079
no. 960 is radioactive now, you don't want to touch it. much better cards will get pushed down into its price range, or used, or 1060 is just an infinitely better card for a small price increase.
>>344192142
not to mention most people stream which also is CPU intensive
no it isn't. It uses like 20% CPU even if you use intel quicksync encoder which most people don't, encoding on the video card instead.
>not everyone just plays console ports
playing unoptimized shit is worse than playing console ports. You're playing something that started on PC and still managed to fucking suck.
Games like Rust don't require a lot of CPU as you're attesting. Games like Arma do.
>>344191390
>1060
>$250
$299 founders edition and $330 nonreference
$250 3 months after release
>>344188429
I require proof
>>344171607
But they claim it boosts to 1.7ghz, which custom Rx 480 should do too. Overall I don't have preference, 120 to 150 tdp are both tolerable, if performance gap is negligible I'll go for radeon this generation, just to keep competition alive and because nvidia more and more look like arrogant pricks. 10xx unveiling alone made me cringe for 3 days
>>344192278
>>344190080
>>344190498
CPUs are very important. You should get a new intel one at least every 3 years. Every 2 is best.
>>344191545
That's wrong though.
>>344192510
[citation needed]
>>344191121
Minimum framerate benchmarks disagree with your retarded ass.
People get sudden bouts of frame drops and stuttering and cry shit optimization, then you find out it's one of you retards using 6 year old CPUs.
>>344181698
It will choke on the 192 bit bus before any game can use up all 6gb.
>>344192085
Since when you have to log in? I just opened it, it updated, and I still can use it without logging in.
>>344192572
>You should get a new intel one at least every 3 years. Every 2 is best.
rofl kid a decent $300 cpu lasts 5 years
pleeeeeeease don't try to argue this with me i have assembled hundreds of PCs from junk for business environments and i know precisely how much CPU affects peoples ability to do shit
right now you can buy a $90 pentium dual core processor and play basically any AAA game just fine. Some AA games like Arma 3 will be problems of course.
>>344191596
No. Buy a i7 6700k right now to stop being a laughing stock
>>344192492
>It uses like 20% CPU
yeah if you wanna stream in garbage quality anon
fucking typical milennial streamer who has no idea what the fuck he's talking about
kys
>>344192594
>tfw I have a 6500
>tfw got water cooling
>tfw too scared to oc to 4.5
>>344192883
was announced this week, probably not put in place yet. you're going to have to log in to use geforce experience etc as well
or maybe it was just experience and shadowplay isn't part of it?
nonetheless i bought dxtory, the only piece of computer software I have ever bought, because it is one of the best applications I have ever used. shadowplay a shit.
>>344191968
Nah, it's a retard trap. You sucker some poorfag into buying 2 cards for moar cash. It's cheaper to manufacture the smaller mid range cards than it is to manufacture high end stuff like GTX 1080, so you can probably make a nice profit off a mid range SLI setup.
I don't even see why nvidia isn't doing it. Maybe the SLI finger cost more than their profit.
>>344192972
Not him but I'm goodThanks Intel
>>344193031
all this nastiness in your post and the part i said about not using quicksync just flew right over your head because you use automatically configured shit and have no idea what you're doing on a computer
sad and typical. so i guess not really sad. just typical.
How are we 970 bros holding up
We got super kekd didin't we?
>>344185449
>1070/80 has been out for over a month
>still none at msrp thanks to founders
>1060 is just a cut down/defective 1070
>he thinks they'll go down below founder's prices
>>344193316
Just ran Firestrike with the latest drivers
No changes
>>344193090
>>344191968
SLI is the dumbest shit in the world.
>buy 2 cards when you could just buy one beast card
>or buy 1 card and save for another card, but at that point you might as well buy the new gen card instead
>SLI isn't even supported for some games
>>344191545
>THERE AREN'T ANY GAMES THAT ARE CPU INTENSIVE
>THE ONLY GAMES THAT ARE CPU INTENSIVE ARE FUCKING MEGA SPERG AUTIST GAMES
Contradicting yourself there, but most games aren't CPU intensive is mainly due to consoles and wanting to be part of the entire market. Graphics wise you can easily downscale it to the point it looks like shit. CPU wise you can't really downgrade the gameplay.
>not playing autistic games like cities skylines
>>344193316
theres nothing wrong with the 970
3.5gb vs 4gb makes a difference in like precisely 0 games
I bet some marketing people got demoted over 3.5, probably not fired though. I guarantee you engineering presented this card as 3.5gb and were aghast when it was marketed as 4gb.
>>344192572
nah, i don't think someone would have a problem with an i5-6400 for the next 5 years or so.
i7 is still overkill, but it won't stay like this forever.
>>344191986
>never heard of AMD VCE
>level of knowledge of typical nvidia user
>>344193389
*60 cards are produced in multiples of flagship cards, there won't be stock issues unless sales are insane
flagship cards are always high price/low stock early. every single video card generation. you kids really haven't been around. You have money to buy something for the first time, is that it?
>>344193502
No, most games aren't CPU intensive because there's nothing to do that's CPU intensive in most games. Most games don't have advanced physics, ai, sound DSP, etc...There is nothing for the CPU to do anymore in so many cases
I'm glad I didn't upgrade
I have a GTX 660 I will see a big difference for such a low price too!
>>344186641
This just shows how stupid nvidia's marketbase is.
>muh megahurtz
It's going to be horribly gimped by the 192 bit vram bus. Even a 970 has 256 bit.
>>344193062
Only articles I found was it was a rewritten kotaku article from various sites. I don't know what else to say, other than fuck it if it ever happens
>>344193983
>It's going to be horribly gimped by the 192 bit vram bus
still catching up to 3 years ago? nvidia uses a new texture compression technology where they get significantly more throughput through a 192-bit bus than the 256-bit busses of old. 970 has this tech too, of course.
but if the tech hadn't changed the 970 would have had a 512bit bus
>>344194124
>arguing with ayymd shitposters
why? it's a waste of time
>>344193718
>There is nothing for the CPU to do anymore in so many cases
Simply not true. You can easily make a game that can shit up the CPU, but again it's really dumb to do so when your market has varying hardware. You simply cannot downgrade gameplay so high ends can utilize 100% and toasters be able to play.
You even listed things that could make use of the CPU, but they don't for reasons I've already mentioned.
>>344171932
>SLI
fucking shitposter
SLI and crossfire have always been, are and will always be shit.
>AMDcucks brag that their mid range card is going to be as good as a 980 for weeks
>It doesn't happen
>Nvidia then goes ahead and makes a mid end card as good as the 980
The absolute madmen.
>>344194250
It's not an argument to tell someone they're wrong and explain why.
If more of you acted like this and then moved on there'd be less shit flinging
Just explain why the other person is wrong, move on, leave them with it. People of any value will consider what they have learned, people without value will continue screeching and are easy to ignore.
>>344192260
not sure, il prolly opt for hbm2 model if both 60 and 70 will be hbm2, il prolly pick up 60.
>>344179310
AMD is so shit that Nvidia can literally do whatever the fuck they want, including making a card that you have to pay more for despite it being exactly the same.
>>344171607
Only after they gimp 980 with the drivers
>>344186451
Real talk I game in 1080p as well and dont see me buying a new monitor for a while...
I have the money for a 1070 but i would like to save some money.... should I go ahead and go for the 1060?
>literally all 90% of pc players are playing right now is overwatch
>nothing hugely taxing coming out in the near future
>GPU wars are still a thing
>>344192142
>not to mention most people stream
nah m8. the people you know are gays.
>>344194945
Overwatch on 4k and even ultrawide means that you can't get reliable 60fps unless if you step up to something around GTX 970 level at the very least.
>>344194945
>Dumb frogposter
>says something thats objectively correct
Literally no goddamn reason to have a $1000+ dollar machine, the only people I see doing this these days are richfags or reddit 20 year olds who were 10 years late to the golden era of PC gaming and pretend to be cool for being apart of the "PC GAYMIN MASTUR RAICE Xd"
>>344194945
I also don't understand it.
The past few years the only thing that tackled my 670 was witcher 3.
I just wonder what people even buy new GPU's for if there's no games for it.
>>344188978
Bu the time Bannerlord is out you'll have a lot more options at a lower price for this era GPUs... Games should go early access late this year and get full release in 2017...
>>344194945
>Steam still showing most people playing Dota
Know how I know you're retarded?
>>344195191
>10 years late to the golden era of PC gaming
yeah, right. the golden era for PC is right now, buddy. seriously, you know consoles suck this gen when a 750 Ti can outperform them. i don't remember things being this bad with the PS2.
>>344194730
>>344195385
1060's more than good enough if that monitor's not a 144Hz display.
>>344193051
My 2500k is OCed to 4.5 with an evo212. Stop being a fucking pansy./
>>344171932
>SLI a midrange card
What the fuck?
>>344195191
More frames makes for more enjoyable experience and lets you produce high quality videos, webm's and streams in 60 FPS.
Having a middle tier machine guarantees you get FPS lag spikes which means you miss a shot or do a mistake and it hinders your gameplay.
You might be good at playing 40 FPS with Medium graphics but some of us enjoy Very High at 60 FPS or more across the board.
Stay poor anon.
>>344188429
No it fucking isn't, you mongoloid.
>>344195923
the only real issue have is that it would run at 4.5ghz at all times since its a bootlegged oc
>>344195957
It's more powerful than a 980, which in SKI would put it near a single 1080 in terms of performance for much less money
Most of the tech sites pretty much say that Nvidia did it on purpose not to cannibalize 1080 sales
Pretty shitty imo
>two models in the series already out, both better
>being excited for a budget hardware announcement
>>344195541
>Thinks I am talking about performance.
There are literally 0 games worth owning for a super powered PC.
10+ years ago there was a real reason for owning a great machine, so you could play with your buds in silky smooth 60fps on the best PC exclusives of the year.
Now all people play is overwatch, League of Legends, that warcraft card game, etc. Basically fuck all and you can run them on toasters anyways.
Killing Floor 2 was dead on arrival, Rising Storm 2 is still going to be on unreal engine 3, Unreal Tournament 2016 is dead and probably won't get active until they get rid of their launcher, not a single fun looking PC exclusive game that takes a lot of GPU power has been announced in a long time.
PS4, Xbone, PC, it's all shit. It doesn't matter anymore what you get because you are basically getting more cons than pros with every single system.
My philosophy is this: Buy a PC that is capable of emulating anything, and just play every fucking old game out there worth playing.
>>344196213
No one would care about the 1060 just like no one cared about the 960 if the 1070/1080 weren't so overpriced
>>344193983
>getting a 25% boost in clockspeed for free is meaningless
Enjoy your 480 then.
>>344196298
That's because you don't play any sim crap.
I have been playing sim titles, and VR needs the raw power to drive it. I thought the same as you, but even War Thunder has been making me think hard about getting a better card, never mind project cars.
>>344195967
On what game?
Answer me you fucking retarded 16 year old anime poster. I know what type of person you are, you just like one of my family members. A giant faggot who blew their entire load on a expensive PC and only plays NES and SNES emulators on it, and now doesn't have enough money to move out of their parents house this year.
>Webms
WOW TOTALLY WORTH THE MONEY
>Streaming
WOW FEELS GOOD TO BE A FAG
>Videos
I can render videos on my fucking garbage laptop just fine, who gives a fuck about how fast you can render your shitty meme youtube vids?
If you are a game developer or a mapper or 3d modeler or whatever I can understand wanting a powerful processor, but go fuck yourself if you aren't.
>>344196831
>2015
>still using gif
You really are poor, aren't you? Do you use rain water to clean ur ass as well?
>>344196298
yeah, now i see what you're talking about. it may be the golden era for the budget PCs then. the new doom is quite demanding, but still not quite there. new emulators are arising as well, soon all modern nintendo systems and PS3 will be emulable. more than enough for now, at least for me.
>>344197724
>soon
In like eight years maybe...
>>344195621
its not 144Hz, I have a shity Samsung TV that I use as a monitor since my other monitor died.
Seeing as how strongly Microsoft has been supporting directx 12 and the fact that developers are actually interested in using it due to the performance boost it might give(unlike dx11), 1060 success will depend on how well it manages DX 12 games.
>>344171607
Nah, I'm waiting for 1050.
>>344171607
>Well shit. Glad I waited.
>not waiting for the 2060 that will out perform the 1080
or
>babbys first GPU generation upgrade
or
(you)
worth getting this if I'm still using an FX-6300?
>>344200730
upgrade to an i5 first at least
Will it outperform gtx 970 sli?
>inb4 le 3.5 meme
I don't care about that shit
>tfw I did no research and bought a 960 a month ago
I'm sure AIB 480s will be cheaper and as good.
If the 1060 is around the same performance as the 980, is there any reason to not just buy a 980 once it drops in price?
>>344181587
Most Linus videos are tinted green, I ask yourself why.
>>344203337
Dumb anon.
>>344203979
power efficiency. DX12 ready. OC'ing.
>>344191545
What is Witcher 3, Arma 3 and Fallout 4.
>>344193973
same here, using a gtx 660
I can finally upgrade and see significant changes at low price
Only problem now is I might get a bottleneck thanks to my old CPU (an old i5 from 4 years ago)
>>344203979
assuming you aren't talking about a 980 ti the 1060 has 2gb more vram than a normal 980
Just ordered a 1080 and a bunch of other parts in my new pc build
suck it poorfags
>>344173623
Don't wait a year you idiot. Wait for 1070s to be in stock at reasonable prices then snatch one. enjoying your card for two years fullly is better than using it for 1 year and then wishing you had the next one.
>>344191420
Meanwhile AMD poisoning just lights you on fire.
>>344205616
>DX12
No virtual diference between 9XX to 10XX in DX12 performance.
>>344205716
Not even a i5 2000 will bottleneck that gpu.
I've been putting off for so long for upgrading my GPU because every time a new damn card comes out everybody comes out of the woodwork to talk about how it performs worse than the previous card, then the next card, same thing happens. So by this metric, my GTX 760 still is performing just fine.
>>344179310
name tax
a way to say a card will cost 250$ and then selling it for 350$
>>344171932
why the FUCK would your stupid retarded ass buy two 1060s instead of one 1080
>>344171607
>>Nvidia says 1060 will outperform a 980
and will cost 50% more
this new card series is a fucking disaster, the prices are a joke
neer again nvdia, you go fuck yourself
next series will sell at 600$ and 900$ for 1170/1180
>>344171932
>if budget's a constraint.
For the uneducated, he means if you're poor
>>344172787
>I get an employee discount on FE's making them the cheapest
>>344175069
The RX480 is an overclocked GTX780 that goes above PCIE wattage certification
Nvidiots are turning this into a meme and its completely hypocritical
>x60 Nvidia cards
>seriously buying rebrands
>>344195967
Just from the retarded way you type I know for a FACT you bought an i7 because it's "better" even though a 2500k from 2011 is still rock solid 5 years later. You are the very definition of a good goy, keep buying up over priced shit you fucking moron. Intel and nvidia stock holders will sleep very soundly knowing you're out there deciding if you need to upgrade again after 4 months.
>>344179182
>>$250 for 980 performance
just like 1070 costs 380$,right?
>A$429
So when does the nightmare end exactly? It's not fun anymore.
>>344171607
>if this is true then i can **FINALLY** upgrade from my GTX 750Ti
It's about fucking time.
>>344184034
AMD gave people fucking free software to limit their power draw. People have been able to lower their power consumption by 20+ watts while retaining stock performance
The problem can be easily fixed by the user for free. People just want to make a big deal about this for views
This is no where near the same disaster the 512MB partition on the GTX970 was. That can still cause problems in upcoming games
>>344208359
>that goes above PCIE wattage certification
what? they already fixed that
>>344186167
this. It's econ 101
>>344209268
Wattman let you fix it yourself if it was a real problem. The program lets you make custom power profiles for individual games
AMD gave its users the fix. Nvidia faggots are just ignoring it
>>344205752
>adding the"ti" version every other year so retards buy a new card every year
Nvidia is genius, i need to invest soon.
>>344208053
>shits sold out
>surprised about price markups on an already typically overpriced reference card
>>344194124
I'm honestly not a big fan of Nvidia's compression methods. I swear I can see little block like artifacts when watching my friends Nvidia rig play games. I never saw that effect when my HD6970 ran games
>>344193051
It's too late, anon.
Intel released a microcode that disables BCLK overclocking. You need a motherboard with an external clock generator or one that hasn't had a BIOS update since March of this year and never update Windows/drivers/etc.
I keep hearing this shit about how Nvidia cripples old cards with new drivers, is there any actual proof of this happening at all?
>want to buy a new video card
>nothing is retail atm
>or its sold out
>plus Canada exchange rate
>plus our postal service is going on strike for God knows how many months
Living in Canada is suffering.
>>344206204
really?
hmm noted. I'll check what CPU I have later (posting from my phone)
Thanks man
>>344179310
Good Goyim Edition
>>344209924
AMD did this too with their "70" appendage in old HD series and with their "x" shit in cards like "280" and "280x"
>>344210783
they also had a few "90" cards like the HD5790, 6990, HD7790 and stuff
>>344210495
Proof? Not really. There is just benchmarks that show older AMD cards gaining on old Nvidia cards. It seems more that Nvidia half asses driver support for older cards and AMD doesn't, which makes AMD cards better long term buys if you are in the "doesn't like to buy new hardware more than twice a decade" camp.
>>344188429
please let this be real.
>>344210934
>There is just benchmarks that show older AMD cards gaining on old Nvidia cards
Well AMD cards doing better isn't evidence of Nvidia ruining the performance of their old cards
what a farce
>>344210283
Yeah i fucking bet its the reason nvidia sells card for 450$ wile telling you they cost 380$
prices will surely drop.. in a year :)
fuck yourself you shill
>>344210495
Nope. The myth stems from AMD being horrible at optimizing their card's performance at launch and only having it fully mature after two years from launch.
Nvidia optimizes their cards for peak performance within 6 months to a year from launch (or within 6 months for specific games), so they really have no room to gain in performance over time.
AMD is hobbled by poor DX11 optimizations (GCN uses raw power to overcome their inherent driver limitations), poor driver overhead (it's why Intel CPU works better with AMD cards than with AMD's own CPUs; improved drivers limit the amount of CPU usage overhead), and poor title support during the lifespan of their product. They compensate for it by making their cards technically stronger than their competing cards so that even with those limitations, the cards will perform about even with their slightly weaker Nvidia counterparts.
>>344179843
Lol
>>344211234
Right, that's how in lower level APIs like Vulkan the 480 performs closer to the 1070, a card which has a similar wattage, while in last-gen APIs it falls closer to the 980/1060.
Should be noted this particular benchmark is from Linux where AMD's drivers have been notioriously poor quality in the past but have now recovered massively thanks to the drivers going open source.
>>344211036
Think about it this way. Nvidia releases a card that is 10% average performance better than its equally priced AMD competitor.
2 years later, that AMD card is now 10% better performing than the Nvidia card.
Some people look at that and think, "hey Nvidia is gimping their cards artificially", because to them Nvidia is evil and they want any excuse to shit post about them.
In reality its more a combination of Nvidia not investing as much into keeping older cards as "maxed out" as AMD tends to, and AMD having shitty drivers when their cards launch and it taking a couple years to get them up to the standard Nvidia would have had on launch day.
>>344210680
>Trudeau giving 3rd gender option ID cards
Enjoy your leftist nightmare in Tumblr® - The Country.
>>344211931
do people actually give a shit about that garbage?
so what is single best card i can buy right now? assume i have unlimited money.
i dunno how long my 980 sli will last
>>344211091
>give explanation why
>ignores it
okay :^)
>>344212051
1080 is the best card on the market, if you can find one.
tfw i bought a overclocked 750ti today
>>344212041
When the government is bending over backwards to pander to 0.03% of the population to look "progressive"...might be time to be worried. He literally got voted in on the DUDE WEED LMAO crowd seeing him as one of their own.
>>344181783
The r9 380 beats the gtx960 in everything except power.
You can get the 970 if the prices have gone down.
But I wholly recommend to see what the 1060 does .
>>344211752
Its not so much a situation of their drivers being shitty for that particular card either. AMD inherited horrible legacy drivers from ATI and over the last few years they've invested significant time and money into improving them. Work that went into better optimizing GCN 1.0 hardware benefits the new GCN 1.3 hardware and vide-versa since they share a common code base.
This could mean that the 480 has less room to grow than the older cards did, especially when it comes to the current-gen low level APIs, but improvements there could also benefit the older APIs. There have actually been some serious discussions for instance about how to best re-implement OpenGL on top of Vulkan which could bring some major performance improvements for AMD's drivers.
>>344171607
>2.5gb and 5.5 gb
>>344182896
Still better than a ps4.
Do light gaming and low presets on modern games.
>>344211668
And yet the 1070 still pulls ahead considerably in DX12 when it's a low-level API like Vulkan (Nvidia isn't even done with driver optimizations for that API, so expect that gap from it to the 480 to widen).
That's not entirely the driver's fault and you know it.
>>344212423
none of these people bother me or affect me in anyway
>>344212051
>yessss good goyim
>surely the thousands you spent isn't enough!
Nvidia, The© Way it's Meant ™ to be payed®
>>344212719
I like Trudeau. He makes vacations to Canada much more entertaining and shorting their dollar much more profitable.
>>344212719
>calling someone a faggot online is against the law
>men can be accused of rape for any reason at any time
Sounds great.
>>344196831
>
Imagine actually existing as this guy.
>>344178243
>1060 or 1070
>I have a 560gtx
If you have been waiting this long, why haven't you saved up enough to get an XX80 (in this case the 1080)?
>>344212653
DX12 being locked to one version of one OS really shouldn't be optimized for, it only exists to lock developers in.
Should also be noted that Nvidia's Linux drivers for Vulkan are significantly better than their Windows drivers, though some of that likely comes down to fewer background processes and a more efficient base system.
>>344183020
Lol I doubt that card can max anything
As a AMD fan, the 400 series is turning out to be a massive let down for me, seems like the rumours of the new AMD chips being complete pieces of shit turned out to be true, which is sad.
For the first time in over a decade actually seriously looking to go back to Nvidia. (they fucked me over with terrible customer support years ago)
>>344213614
Wait until you see the clusterfuck that the RX "Fury" will be.
>>344213152
>cant call trump a retard without being sued under """"libel laws"""""
>cant make jokes about him at all
i hate both far right and far left
What's the best CPU nowadays?
>>344210375
I still have the betea BIOS that works for BCLK oc, but the shit you say about windows updates and whatnot idk about that
>>344214068
Trump is a retard who touches his daughter inappropriately, had sex with children on a billionaire's private island, ran his Atlantic City casinos into the ground to profit off of their bankruptcy, and ran a scam school to rip people off of their money.
There, am I sued yet?
>>344214731
under his presidency you would be yeah
>>344214068
Authoritarianism knows no left or right, they just know that they hate the enemy, they want to destroy them, and if you're not with them you're against them.
Its really basic Ape shit, and we should really just get over it.
>>344214587
Intel snuck in a microcode update with a Windows 7/8/8.1/10 security update. If you installed that, then the minute you reset your BIOS you lose the ability to increase the BCLK multiplier.
>>344214816
We can't get over it, because half the people want daddy govt. to tell them how to live and that percentage is growing with immigration from countries where daddy govt. telling you how to live and what to do is the gold standard.
>>344214504
Just about any current CPU Intel 2500+, or AMD FX *3** series is still ok. The next potential disruptive part that might warrant an upgrade is going to be AMD's socket AM4 Zen parts and those are still 3-9 months away depending on the rumor.
PAPER LAUNCH
NV lost middle segment its a desperate PR damage control move
should I get one?
>>344215091
OC 2500k is still good enough?
>>344215076
Yeah, no. It has nothing to do with immigration. A fairly large percentage of humans regardless of where they were born or how they grew up has a very strong authoritarian in-group vs out-group mentality and that goes across every political, religious, class, or ethnic boundry.
The best solution I've heard for this is just to structure everything in a totally non-discriminatory way like the best government services that nobody even thinks about, roads, fire service, and tap water.
>>344215091
>getting hyped for a $500 8-core CPU that will get beaten by a $449 6-core i7-6850K
>Dual channel only memory (each memory channel is restricted to a single bank of 4 cores)
>HT/FSB that only has 8-12 PCIe 3 lanes from the southbridge
>limited clock frequency to around 3.5-3.9 GHz
>USB 3.1 integration issues forcing motherboard makers to spend more money on an aftermarket USB 3.1 controller that will never be integrated natively with the AM4+ southbridge
>only 16 lanes from CPU itself
>still having L3$ performance and latency issues after SIX generations (since the Phenom II days!)
Pham...
I just bought a 970 Im too lazy to wait
>>344183508
>Consoles have 8GB of shared RAM
try like 5. console os as more memory hungry than fucking windows
>>344214810
No. See New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. In order to win a defamation suit against a public figure you have to prove the defendant a: published false information about an individual and b: did so knowingly and with malicious intent
Proving the second one is nearly impossible. You can say whatever you want about politicians in the US. You're not getting sued.
>>344216327
i dont think you understand how trump said he wanted to open up the laws so its easier for them to sue people
>>344193983
both the 1070 and the 1080 have a 256 bits bus and look where they are in performance
>>344216724
What trump says he wants to do and what he can actually do are two totally separate things.
>>344210783
not true for the 380 vs 380x, 380x is the r9 285
>>344215471
Yeah, if you have a relatively recent CPU you're generally much better off upgrading your GPU. There are a few specific tasks that upgrading your CPU can help with, but there is no huge compelling reason to upgrade yet.
i-i still have a 2gb 760 GTX and can max out everything i throw at it on 1200p with 60 fps.
why should i upgrade?
>>344188620
the 960 sadly broke that idea
>>344217356
what cpu do u have anon
>>344215665
If it was a $500 CPU there would be no reason to be interested in it. However its highly doubtful to be that much. AMD seems poised to set their 8 core hyper-threaded chips against Intel's 4 core ht and non-ht chips. It will be for CPUs what the current generation of GPUs are, a kick in the pants with lower prices for the same performance as the old high end.
>>344217356
You clearly aren't throwing much at it.
Off topic, but I'm trying to decide whether it's better to go for a 1070 OC or the rumored 490.
If the 490 is a dual GPU card, does that mean it runs like it's configured in Crossfire? Not all game support Crossfire, not sure if getting the 490 would make it moot in some games.
>>344217631
3570k slightly overclocked.
>>344217776
i can max out wither 3 without SSAO and blur.
i just dont like ssao
>>344217816
The 490 won't arrive until 2017 tho
Also, generally speaking, dual GPU configurations are not worth the expense
>>344217356
You're talking shit especially at 1200p. I have 1200p and my 780 can't max everything at 60fps
>>344187997
My 670 doesn't run tomb raider at max.
I'm assuming you mean 60fps and over.
>>344217816
Yeah, dual gpu cards act just like two cards.
Its not really clear yet what the 490 might be, but I think its doubtful to be multi-gpu since Vega will be positioned against the 1080 and they won't want to confuse matters. Binned 'gold' Polaris chips with higher clock speeds and better memory, or the low end of the new Vega chips seem more likely.
>>344218001
You aren't maxing it out then, are you? Even the n I find your report dubious. Because the Witcher 3 is so demanding even GTX 980 Ti struggles with it.
>>344171607
>192 bit vram
>but guys I get 100fps with my 1060
>on low settings
>Why would I need ultra settings?
>20 fps on ultra
>Nope. No thanks low settings looks good enough for me.
Calling it.
>>344219691
192bits is not the measurement of vram you dullard.
Oh boy, I get to post this image again.
But knowing how wide /v/'s asshole is open for NVidia, you guys are just gonna get it anyways.
>>344221539
Anyone know when the NDA lifts?
i have a R9 290
what should i get next for around $400 CDN?
>>344221539
I think the benchmarks are predictable. It'll be slightly below GTX 980 and well above 970.
>>344222008
>- Reviews July 19th at 14:00 BST / 15:00 CET
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2478605
>>344219691
>192 bit vram
You don't have a single clue about gpus, do you.
>>344222218
>I think I can call benchmarks before I know how it actually performs
>>344222245
Thanks desu
>>344222376
Look at clock speeds, core counts and how the 1080 performs. Same architecture cut in half.
>>344171607
Fuck. I just order 1070 for $450. It's being ship now. I don't think I can cancel it
>>344222729
That's literally what it is. It's a mirror image of GTX 960 and GTX 980, except this time they did something with the memory controller. It's a lot wider. Might have all 8 MCs on the chip with 2 disabled.
>>344222989
>Might have all 8 MCs on the chip with 2 disabled.
We all remember how that went down with the 970.
>>344223134
970 has all 8 enabled.
>>344222174
A card with HBM2 in it
That r9 290 is still good enough for 1080p
>>344223282
Right, forgot it was the lane/L2 memory sharing that caused the clusterfuck.
Still thought, ISHYGDDT diggity doo with calling performance before review embargos drop
>>344223737
It's really not rocket science though. You have enough info to approximate it. It's not like the approximation is that it will beat Titan X and 1080 handily.
Nvidias claim is that it will be better than 980. My claim is that it will most likely fall slightly below 980 in at least some benchmarks. It might actually beat it like nvidia claims, but I think that's setting expectations too high.
>>344211315
It's probably going to be about the same as a 970.
I've been running a gtx 660 ti 2GB for years and was looking to upgrade for Doom
I just bought recently bought a gtx 980 for $280 on newegg (with a $30 rebate)
I'm wondering if I should trade up for a 1060, then I was thinking I should just go full retard with a 1070
what do you think?
>>344225458
Just play your damn video games.
>>344215460
No, get a 1070.
>>344219057
>what is turning down/off demanding diminishing returns settings that barley affect shit.
I run it and it averages 80s with this. Sometimes drops to the high 70s when in congested areas.
>>344208797
>just like 1070 costs 380$,right?
it costs 411 eur here that's lower than 499$ promised
>>344225458
Assuming you're at 1080p a 980 will last a long ass time
Just play your damn games and be happy for fucks sake
>>344228075
yea I'm at 1080p
I just see this new card and feel like I should've waited and got that but if it isnt that much better then I guess I'll be fine
>>344228427
These cards have been known to be coming out for a long ass time. It's your own fault for not doing any research
>>344217816
I don't upgrade often so I'm springing for the first card that's HBM2. I think the 490 would be it
>>344225458
>recently bought a gtx 980 for $280
What's hilarious about your lack of searching when the new series would come out is that a 980ti has been reaching jumping all around $300-450, hell there's a watercooled one for $400 now.
>>344172584
this guy looks like Brett Keane
Upgrading from a GTX 560ti, only going to be playing at 1080p, and my motherboard only supports PCIe 2.0. How fucked am I if I only want to upgrade my graphics card and don't care about anything above 60fps, max settings 1080p?
>>344232136
you are fine
Is the 1070 good enough for 1440p?
>>344232136
I'm running GTX 980 on PCI-E 1.1. It doesn't seem to care.
How long will it take for non-FE 1060s to come out?
>>344232417
Fine? Should I get 1060 or 1070?
>>344233412
Really? What is the difference between the variants of PCIe??
>>344234517
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#History_and_revisions
>>344233374
What do the benchmarks say?
>>344233967
When Nvidia feels they sold enough overprice FE cards
OK I'm looking to build a new PC coming here in a bit
By the time I have the funds, the RX 480 should be back in stock
Should I go for that or go with my original plan of an R9 380/ 390?
>>344235662
>R9 380/ 390
No
>>344235662
480
serious question but where would a GTX 480 be comparable to nowadays? and gtx 480 sli?
>>344235752
http://m.newegg.com/Combo/ComboDetail?comboid=2625412&combotype=2&itemnumber=N82E16819113284
If I took the parts in this combo and bought them separately (don't need an SSD right now and plan on getting a diff gpu and more RAM for video editing/ drawing), would it be fine for 1080p60fps?
>>344207863
>buy single 1060 now
>wait a while for the price to drop
>buy another
>>344236946
Older stuff but not too bad of a price, should do 1080 just fine
>>344171607
>Will
So 900 series gimping confirmed then?
Let's' stop pretending that the 480 and the 1060 won't be about equal once the the aftermarket cards are out. It's going to be the 280x vs 960 all over again
>>344237223
Alrighty, I know my path then
>>344186868
Solution: don't be a europoor
>>344195957
>buy card
>buy another card a year later
>faster than single 980 even after you factor in stutter
It's precisely because sli-ing 760's, 960's, etc makes so much fucking sense that nvidia is axing it.
Now be a good goy and buy the 1070.
>>344195957
>midrange card is as fast as a GTX 980
>midrange automatically = bad
>>344238538
You do that. While Joe Average buys a brand new card a year or two later at the same price and shits all over your shitty SLI setup. Besides, I doubt SLI is even relevant with DX12 and PCI-E 3.0/4.0.
SLIing 760s and 960s never made sense. The idea that someone SLI'd 960s makes me want to throw up. That's on a level beyond full retard.
>>344239106
Nearly 4 years later a 1080 can just barely edge out a pair of 760's, the cost of which was spread out over a year.
Joe Average is almost as stupid as you are.
>>344240065
>Nearly 4 years later a 1080 can just barely edge out a pair of 760
A 1080 shits on two 760s m8, by a lot
>>344240065
Hahaha okay, keep your delusions to yourself.
>>344189237
The 460 was the only one worth it. The 660 sucked dick, the 760 was pretty much a 660 Ti, and the 960 was barely faster than that.
This 1060 will be the first significant leap in performance in years for the *60 series.
>>344240349
>>344240352
>I can't read
Unless you think a ~15% delta (depending on the game) for a 450 buck vs 700 buck setup is "shitting on" I'm afraid you're objectively wrong.
I personally consider it "edging out".
>joe average buys flagships
Of course he does~~~
>>344240692
The 760 SLI setup barely touches a stock GTX 980 when overclocked. So yea you might want to check what objective means, because whatever you're preaching isn't it.
>>344240692
Considering two 760s get around 47fps at 1440p in Metro LL while a 1080 gets near 100fps, I think it's a little more than a 15% delta
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-760-sli-review,16.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7760/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ftw-gaming-acx-3-fast-furious/index6.html
>>344238761
I never said midrange is bad you fucking weeb.
>>344219691
>192 bit vram
Just get the fuck out you stupid shill
Running a i7-2600k and a 670. If things are true about the 1060 then I'll be in heaven if I can swap cards and OC the CPU.
>there are period IN THIS VERY THREAD who will buy a reference video card without the intention of putting an aftermarket cooler on it or putting it in a loop
Pro-tip: if this is you, go back to consoles.
I'm poor, I'm just going to get an 8GB non-ref RX 480 because I'm poor.
>>344226769
>turning down/off demanding diminishing returns settings that barley affect shit.
Then that's not maxing it.
>>344175069
just buy a version with double pin.
I got a laptop with a 980M. I'll probably hold off for a while.
>>344245165
>it's only maxing when i turn on the things that i LIKE
these people are insufferable
>>344171607
Haven't found a game that cant go below 50fps on ultra with my 970gtx, this isn´t work buying just so you can add pieces of paper and smoke to the new BAMHAM.
>>344192594
>tfw have a i5-2500k
Best cpu ever
How much do you guys think I'd be able to sell my MSI GTX 760 for?
>>344247471
>>344192594
It depends on the resolution. The difference narrows a lot at 1440p and above
>>344182465
>You underestimate console software profitability.
ftfy
>>344185118
>>344183904
>>344183404
>>344179159
>>344178109
>>344175754
t. Butthurt AMDrones
Stay mad redfags.
Your shitty RX 480 doesn't even beat the 970 in most cases, hell it loses to the 960 most of the time.
![10-GTX-1060-FE-ISO[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P6ItjaW.jpg "10-GTX-1060-FE-ISO[1]")
