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>>344147465
How does this compare to AMD's offering performance per watt wise?
>>344147770
Nobody knows yet?
>>344147797
ah, no specs yet then? do we have a release date for it?
>>344147770
It uses ~30w less and it doesn't rape your motherboard.
>>344147770
>>344147891
There might be 'on paper' specs, but those are shit (look at the RX 480 specs and actual power issues).
>>344147989
post some proper numbers, not this shit
>>344147989
well, that is an improvement, but the graph not starting at 0 is setting my internal alarms off.
So it's between 40 to 50% better. That's actually pretty good, but if you only glance at the graph it makes it look around 300% better.
Scumbag move.
>>344147989
>graph starts at 0.8
Hahahaha, oh God, I love it when companies do this. Pathetic.
>>344147465
>mfw thinking about margins retailers will put on this thing in my country
I can choose how I die: crazy margins or crazy import tax + risk of poor handling.
>>344148337
Holy shit I never noticed that, that's pure scumbaggery, god damn.
>>344147989
>only 1.15 times better performance compared to 480
This graph is pretty funny. But at least it's competitively priced. I was worried it was going to be 350-400 range.
>>344147465
where are the reviews
>>344148387
I just try not to think about it. Once it is out, I'll figure it out.
>>344148387
Tell me about it, cheapest RX 480 I can find in France is 260€ or $290
>>344148615
>in France is 260€ or $290
Do they ship for EU?
It's going to be £250+ in the UK, isn't it?
>>344148675
>£250+
With Pound being in a shitty spot right now - even more I say.
>>344147465
350€ in Finland lets go
>>344148672
I don't know, find out for yourself. You'd be better off grabbing one from a german or UK website, they're much cheaper
Gonna be hard to win anything with that shit vram bus. Nvidia basically doesn't want it to do 1440p at all or ultra 1080p since that might cannibalize 1070 sales.
>>344147770
>1080 TDP: 180W
>measured average power consumption: ~165W
>1070 TDP: 150W
>measured average power consumption: ~145W
>1060 TDP:120W
>estimated average power consumption: ~110-115W
RX 480 consumes about 160W. 3Dmark scores put 1060 8-10% ahead. This puts 1060 ~55% ahead in perf/watt.
>>344149167
Memory bus isn't so important any more.
>>344147465
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE
THIS IS REAL?
>another card my R9 290 can shit on
Feelsgood
>>344147989
>power eficiency
Who the fuck cares about this?
Must be a jew caring about the electric bill....
>>344147465
The non-reference cards will be 400 at least here in yurop so no, NVIDIA doesn't win at all.
>>344149431
U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!
>>344149431
>Must be a jew caring about the electric bill....
Jews don't give a fuck about electricity. Golems run on magic. I bet it is some base dweller who have to cycle to generate electric current for his PC.
>>344149431
Considering an RX 480 would cost me like $30 extra a year compared to a 1070, I care about it quite a bit.
>>344147465
>no 4GB version
>get 3GB or get jewed by 6GB
Fucking jews, I just want to upgrade my 750Ti to play 60fps on 1080p
I have to imagine that the 1060 will be at least 10fps behind the 1070 so really we're likely to see the 1060 and 480 trading blows depending on what game you're playing and what API its using.
>>344148561
The 1070 is supposed to be in that price range, but of course extreme supply limits from the practically paper launch and the premium Nvidia is charging for the reference cards has driven the prices up.
>>344149539
Its like buying a car by its milage instead of everything else.
>>344149571
>>344149521
Oh...
And i thought is not even a selling point.
Worse than the jews then.
A jew minded puritan.
>>344149783
6gb isn't even enough for 1080p on shit like tomb raider or mirror edge. With the scorpio moving shit forward, you'd be an idiot to go with a 1060 that will be shitty at dx12 and fall behind within a year
The 4gb isn't worth considering either. Only 8gb
Though it's laughable they try to price it at 300 with 6gb
>>344149796
>playing dota 2 with anything beyond a 760
Why?
>>344147465
desperate attempt to rival with AMD.
You can't just put a weak card next to the 480 and say that you "won"
It may have a faster clock but it lacks at every other aspect.
So no.
You lose. Good day sir.
>>344149889
It's not a selling point to people who don't understand long term costs, aka (man)children who live with their parents.
>>344149956
Because there are only two games so far that use Vulkan and Dota2 is one of them? Plus a 760 wouldn't maintain 60fps+ at 2160p why do you want to play games in low res?
>>344149431
It's a new meme like 144hrz or 4K gaming, companies trying to make retards buy shit.
>>344147465
Any chance it'll be only $300 in Canuck Bux? If it's $350 I'm killing myself.
>>344147465
>paper launch
>overpriced
nah its a flop
Im not brand zealot if you have money - 1070 is the best value
for a cheaper option non-ref 480 has no competition
>>344147989
>Much faster
>15%
>>344149571
Replace your incandescent bulbs with LED. You'll save a lot more power than you will shaving just 40W off your peak computer power usage.
>>344149889
If you don't care about the cost why are you looking at mid range cards in the first place? Just get two 1080s and call it a day.
Post yfw you didn't fall for the AMD meme.
>>344150135
Vulkan?
So anyone remember that shit?
Kek, i knew there was a reason why the fury was above the titanX.
>>344150078
I dont give a single fuck about power targets and shit, maybe if i was a wageslave counting coins to reach the end of the month.
>>344150498
>falling for the 3GB meme
>>344149796
>vulkan
>>344150607
You'd better hope that Vulkan catches on, otherwise everything is going to be stuck with DX12 and will be locked to Windows 10.
>>344148615
an rx 480 8gb in the us is $240, convert to euros and add 20% vat = 260€
>>344150665
>Falling for Pajeets lies
Anyone else getting the 1070?
>>344150491
Im good so far because the bottleneck is my monitors actually, have 3 1080 60hz tvs, wich is the worse in this case because of response time.
When i find some good monitors, 120hz at minimum, and the second gen of VR, Yea, ill make the jump.
But for now is useless, what i have is enouhg.
>>344150665
Its 6gb
>>344150341
Not using any incandescent bulbs. In fact, I rarely even keep the lights on.
>shaving just 40W off your peak computer power usage.
I'm shaving 33W off idle power usage.
>>344150880
>6GB
even better
>>344150736
>dx12
Its the same as vulkan, no one gives a shit because its too new and too expensive to develop with, only AAA Shit studios will use it.
The res is still with dx11 if not with 10.
>tfw you just bought a 1070 for 430
JUST
>>344150836
Yep, waiting until August/September for the price to drop though as it inevitably will.
>>344150980
You done goofed
>>344150906
You get a price for that?
I dont get it.
>>344150980
I'm probably going to buy a 1070 for $600+ dollars in the next few weeks if the prices don't drop overseas, so I know this feel and more
>>344147989
This graph desperately needs a tear line.
>>344150968
>DX12
>Same as Vulkan
nope
>But they're irrelevant
nope
>>344151141
It was literally the cheapest I could find, everything else was 500+
>>344151261
I don't end up paying as much for an RX 480 as for a 1070 in the long term.
Are you the type that buys phones for only "$49" and then ends up shitloads more because you got suckered into a shitty 36 month contract?
>>344147465
The 1060 is looking pretty good but....
>3GB
really?
how fucking expensive can it be to put an extra 1GB there?
>>344151520
It's 6GB.
>>344151261
It would be like the equivalent of replacing a single 100w lightbulb with a 70w bulb. He's just nuts, or he lives someplace where electricity must come from dirty expensive coal instead of clean efficient Nuclear.
>buy a 1080
>week later receive $700 bonus
>>344151487
It's not the price or cheapest, you should have waited a few months and the price will drop. Nvidia always do this with their cards. After the 1060 has been out a few weeks the 1070 will drop in price.
>>344151613
How much do you pay for your electricity then?
>>344151518
>using a phone with contracts
Nah.
>using a phone
Why?
>>344151750
Communication.
>>344147770
rx480 uses about 7 less than my 1080.
2x480s in crossfire tested and dont beat a 1080 in most games.
So much for all that bullshit eh.
Performance per watt the 970 in sli beats the 480s in crossfire
>>344151660
About a dime a kilowatt hour.
>>344151660
Not that guy, but the one who asked this.
>big house
>computer running 24/7
>1 refrigerator
>1 freezer
>1 washer
>2 electric heaters in winter and 1 AC in summer
>rarely turn on lights because the good lighting in the house
>pay 20-50 bucks in 2 month period
It must be that, if not i really dont get it.
>>344151590
oh that's pretty good then.
good on nVidia, i know the non reference 480 are going to be better than the reference one but i highly doubt it will be able to beat the 1060, performance and price wise.
now nvidia just needs to release drivers that don't kill the card for a while.
but seriously, for the people who don't fall into the 4k gimmick meme, future is looking good.
>>344151838
And its the only way to comunicate?
That sounds like normie forced bullshit.
I have a phone, but i use it because of its portable features compared to a laptop, nothing else.
I'm buying AMD regardless because I don't support the jews at Nvidia.
>>344152139
Anon, dont be a fanboy in any side.
Just buy what you really need.
>>344147465
>starts at $250 for the 3GB version and they will probably jew you for a half HM some where
>$300 for 6GB
Nah I'll keep waiting for the 480 custom cards
>>344152136
>normie forced bullshiti don't think this guy is being ironic either
>>344150113
It's 6
So why would you get the GTX 1060 when you can get a Nitro RX 480 instead?
>>344152214
this.
i've had many cards from AMD lately because where i buy my computer parts the price/performance ratio has always been favourable to AMD.
but i had perfectly good nVidia cards, i absolutely loved my 8800GT
>>344152281
Because the 1060 is a better card on paper. Obviously no benchmarks yet so Im going off the numbers.
AMDs new driver update reduces the voltage and thus less performance.
>>344151613
Power efficiency is important because it translates into a colder and quieter card. I had enough of AMD's helicopter-like coolers, thanks.
>>344151948
Even with a price that low (EU average is about 0.20 €/kWh), I can get to $30 a year with 24/7 usage, which is pretty significant if you keep your card for a few years.
>>344152139
this except unironically. I'm going to vote with my wallet this generation and tell Nvidia that this deceitful "founder's edition" MSRP bullshit and price gouging is NOT acceptable.
>>344152279
No it isn't, it's 3. See >>344152217
$250 for the 3GB, $300 for 6. Plus more on top of THAT for the Founder's Edition, plus more on top of that because the card builders know they can slap whatever price tag they want on them and you nvidiots will buy them anyway
>>344152379
Reducing the voltage only INCREASES performance on the 480
>>344152217
They haven't announced a 3GB version, maybe they never will. It's only rumors.
>>344152379
But you can still just increase the voltage right? The Nitro version has an 8-pin instead of 6 so it should be able to handle it no problem.
>>344152320
8800/9800 GT were God-tier. Those were NVIDIA's glory days.
It's a shame they've become such jews over the years.
>>344152379
>>344152506
AMD new driver will shift the power draw, possibly capping the one from the PCI-E pin
In the same statement they also stated that the new driver will boost RX480 by about 3% on popular titles.
>>344152379
Undervolting the 480 gives a 3-4 fps performance boost actually
Is AMD doomed to forever be cucked by Nividia?
>>344150223
Probably not considering the 480 is like 330$ in this country.
>>344152757
At least until next year when they file for bankruptcy.
>250 bucks
so about 360 euros then? not bad considering the 1080 costs 900.
>>344152679
The only reason to buy newer cards so far (at least for jewvidya) is beacuse of that supposed way to render VR more efficiently, or fix multiple monitor gaming.
Buying new cards for 5-20 more fps is useless so far.
A fury or a 970-980ti is more than enough now, unless you go for 4k 120fps.
>>344152659
What they say and what it actually does can be very different.
Hasnt this latest series showed you that?
>>344152970
or if you want 1440. 970 doesnt like 1440p .
>starting at $249
lol ok, incoming $350 "economy cards"
>1070 starts at $379
most of them are closer to $500
>>344153172
this, pcmr drones caring about graphics so much, this is fucking 50 dollaroos more, no shit it's better
>>344153172
You can get a 1070 for $400. Blame AIBs, importers and retailers for the high price.
>>344152954
$250 MSRP
Founders Edition is $299.
Expect custom card to cost about $270+
>>344152473
There isn't any word about a 3GB version in the announcement... Where is that coming from?
>>344152281
>So why would you get the GTX 1060 when you can get a Nitro RX 480 instead?
Because of the price. I'll bet you top dollar I'll be Jewed the fuck out of money here in Europe.
But need to see benchmarks first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjmCaBAV_kU
>>344153162
Care to elaborate?
I smell the jewworks among shit new drivers have something to do with this.
>>344152139
thirding this, because it's my biggest motivator for not buying nvidia
their gameworks shit; no thanks
not to mention all the nvidia cards have these weird problem where they get worse with time, while AMD's cards all improve.
>>344153341
I've only ever seen it on /v/ and /g/, but the logic checks out and we're usually more clocked in to upcoming tech news than the general internet.lmao who are we kidding, it's lies from butthurt video card fanboys
>>344152970
Well if you own a 9xx series cards you kind of do have to upgrade since nvidia will be dropping driver support (If they haven't already), which kind of sucks since nvidia cards make use of a software-based architecture.
When did the 980 come out and why is it already beat by cards that cost a fraction of its price?
>>344152379
>AMDs new driver update reduces the voltage and thus less performance.
What? No it doesn't - they pull more juice through the 6-pin and less through the pcie
where the fuck do you get your info from? Nvididashills daily?
>>344153485
I had a 970gpu , it was brilliant for 1080p. Its a well known fact the 970 cant 4k and doesnt do 1440p well.
I now have a 1080 gpu which does like 1440p.
This is how I know
>>344153517
>>344153485
i knew there was something related to software.
>>344153592
https://youtu.be/_Kt8PX96ssc
AMD's finalized its statement regarding the RX 480 PCIe bus power draw, and will soon be releasing 16.7.1 to the public. This driver update will offer a 'compatibility' toggle to throttle the card back on power draw.
Can you not use google and do you wear blinkers?
>>344153646
>>344153637
This is why i dont have jeworks installed, and do tedious test with drivers before i actually make a jump.
This reminds me of having to downgrade drivers because of fallout 3.
> buy a gtx 970 2years ago
> the card is today 50€ more expensive
> new card are nearly as powerfull as card released 2 years ago
I will stick with my meme card until 4k is something real and not some rich people gimmicks
>>344153542
September 2014.
So nVidia cards have a life span of less than two years. lmao
>>344153512
The announcement only talks of 6GB though and as far as Pascal is concerned the Founder Edition at an extra price litteraly does nothing specs wise other than put an higher price tag on the same card.
>there are people on this board right now who thought it would be a good idea to get a reference card
>>344154041
I know its not, but the titanX was reference only.
>>344151613
are you fucking retarded?
nuclear power is not cheap, in the range of hundreds of millions to build a single reactor
>>344154157
>a few hundred million dollars for enough clean energy to power an entire city
Why aren't all Indian IP's banned on /v/? Literally all they do is spam graphics card shill threads
You reckon its worth upgrading to a 1060 from a 970
>>344150498
I'm surprised there's not a reaction pic of the crying AMD-fag.
DO IT FAGGOTS.He should have a fedora hat desu senpai.
>>344153646
Yes. The biggest difference is Nvidia cards rely more heavily on software (Which is why they shit out 2-6 new "game-ready" drivers every month) whereas AMD cards rely more on hardware.
Also, it's not true Nvidia gimp older generations, instead they just drop support in new drivers if a new series of cards is out. This means the older gen cards will not see any performance gains with newer drivers.
This doesn't happen to AMD cards. New drivers still give performance boosts to older AMD cards because of their hardware based architecture.
So if you want the best of the best and have too much money to spend and plan on upgrading again within 2 years, go NVIDIA.
If you don't want your card to stop gaining performance after 1-2 years and aren't gaming at 4K res, go with AMD.
>>344154262
>clean
well where does the nuclear waste go? That shit's not clean
>a few hundred million
you say that like it's a reasonable alternative to say $2 million to get the same results out of coal
>>344154329
No. What is the point of upgrading from a x70 card to the next generations x60?
It barely makes sense to go from a 970 to a 1070.
Is it better than my MSI R9 290? Should i change it for this nvidia?
When i run Witcher 3, my MSI reach a temp of 94°, not good at all.
>>344147989
>gtx 1060 four times as efficient
>two times the performance
rx 480 owners on suicide watch
>>344152460
>24/7 usage
>365 days per year
>at peak power
fuck off.
PCMR zozzle
https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/169047-250-gaming-pc
buying an xbox is worth more than one dumbass gpu at $250 and a pc at $250
>>344147465
Those MSRP are stupid... I really wish it would be illegal for them to do that shit, Nvidia and AMD alike. That's just false advertising. Fuck those cunts.
>>344154428
the 1070 is a massive jump from a 970
It's worth it, 36% faster, only costs 22% more and has 17% more ram, the numbers make it clear as day! Every tech site confirms this...
>>344154157
>doesn't know how economics work
>>344154521
It's idle power, genius.
>>344154428
No
Get the non-reference 490/x
>>344154414
>where does the nuclear waste go
Buried in cement like we've always done, which is better than coal making our environment filthy like China and changing the Ph levels of our oceans
>2 million dollars compared to coal
Where the cost is converted into lower quality of life and higher healthcare costs for millions of people
Nuclear is superior, deal with it buddy
>>344147989
>Nvidia in charge of graphs
>>344154384
Never believe in those game ready drivers, i allways saw them as a patch to correct the shit they made wrong, and sometimes as a way to force you to keep upgrading.
>So if you want the best of the best and have too much money to spend and plan on upgrading again within 2 years, go NVIDIA.
>If you don't want your card to stop gaining performance after 1-2 years and aren't gaming at 4K res, go with AMD.
sounds fair enough.
>>344154665
Buying cards and selling them at a loss every other year is a poor financial decision.
Although the 1070 has twice the RAM, not 17% more. Actually 160%
>>344147465
>special limited founders edition
what the fuck does that even mean? I've been out of the PC hardware loop since the 560ti/HD 6950, someone please explain it to me.
>>344154665
Don't forget you get to be part of glorious thousand master race instead of hundreds peasant
>>344154719
WAIT FOR THE 490!!! IT WILL KILL THE 1080.
My fucking sides anon. You lot are like a stuck record.
Spend forever waiting then get delivered a turd
>>344154708
fuck off
turn off your PC at night if you care that much
>>344147465
When will the 1070 be its MSRP?
>>344154554
build a $250 rig
>>344154818
I paid £199 for my 970. I have been offered £150 for it 2nd hand. Not bad for something I used for 2 years.
>>344154893
See >>344150906 , genius.
>>344147465
>$249
Wat. The 980ti is still ~$400.
>>344154885
Where did I say it will kill the 1080?
Are you retarded or just pretending to be retarded?
>AMDcucks still haven't killed themselves
>>344154929
so that means xbox is still better right you dumbfuck for the cost
>>344155018
Just as retarded as telling someone to buy a card thats not even been 100% confirmed no do you know the specs of.
>>344154384
/thread
>>344155041
Why would you spend $250 on video gaming platform? That's like buying a car for $2000.
>>344152473
Founder Edition is disgusting. But AMD did the same... The first batch of 4GB were rebranded 8GB, that card is basically unfindable anywhere I've looked so it's fair to say it was a marketer trick.
Moreover the RX480 8GB, the only one you can buy in France. Is way more pricy than what they announced.
I'm utterly disgusted by both brand at this point.
>>344154841
You get to pay more for buying it early.
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>344154968
your monitors consume way more than that. Maybe you should not have dual monitors if 5 bucks per year in electricity cost is a problem for you
>>344154841
It's collector edition bro. Except you don't get anything more than with the standard version.
I have a 970 at the moment.
Should I wait for a price drop before getting a 1070? Is a 1070 even a good upgrade? Will there even be a price drop?
>>344147465
>5.5GB AGAIN
AMD invented x64 CPU and APU, why do they keep losing? Where's your new innovation AMD?
>>344152217
>The 2.5gb and 5.5GB meme again
>>344155475
What game do you play that a 970 isn't enough?
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52932/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-ready-battle-radeon-rx-480/index.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=tweaktown
TWO AND HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE FOUNDERS EDITION FUCKING CONFIRMED HAHAHAHAHHA
>>344151437
dx12 is legitimately almost identical to vulkan. you can browse the official docs and compare them to the vulkan spec, most of the text is just copy pasted.
that's because both APIs are derivatives of mantle with many minor and a only ver few major differences.
>>344155242
>Moreover the RX480 8GB, the only one you can buy in France. Is way more pricy than what they announced.
You can buy RX 480 from any other EU country and have it shipped to ya.
German are known to have cheaper RX480.
Also, 4GB will most likely be widely available when Samsung actually start producing low density chip and partner boards will most likely have their own version with 4GB.
For god sake, its only been less than 10days since RX480 launched.
>>344154841
Instead of giving their card a shitty reference cooler, they give it an okay one, but jew an extra $50 (or $70/$100 in the case of 1070/1080 respectively) for it. Usually the reference card is the only one that sells for the MSRP at release, while aftermarket cards have a $10-30 premium over the MSRP, but in this case, you get the reference card for $50 above the MSRP, aftermarket cards for $10-30 above the MSRP and no cards for MSRP.
>>344155393
About 20W isn't usual for a 1080p monitor. So "way more" isn't really accurate.
It's funny that you turned the $30 value I calculated for the guy who pays $0.10/kWh into $5. You don't need to defend AMD so desperately.
>>344155475
Depending of the games you play I would advise to wait for next gen, skipping a gen is usually good way to save money. Especially now we are at a turning point with vr and 4k trying to get mainstream yet the hardware is not ready.
>>344155703Dying Light.
>>344149431
Its not about paying less for electricity its about temperatures, less power -> less heat.
>>344155851
>About 20W isn't unusual
fixed
>>344155897
Add bf4, witcher3 to that too. 970 cant handle them maxed out
>>344155918
then why not just put a heat output chart?
This is misleading and confusing as fuck.
>>344155168
what's wrong with buying a car for $2000
>>344147465
DELET THIS.
>/v/ hates mainstream shit and jews
>loves intel and nvidia
lel
>>344155975
You're hired.
t. Nvidia
>>344155802
>giving my money to krauts
>>344153338
>270
No expect them to initially be 30% or more than nvidias bullshit MSRP. And that's for Americans who don't get raped by their commie Eurotrash governments.
>>344156032
>not building your car for $1500
>>344156064
AMD is the one with an R&D facility in Israel, you know.
>>344156137
if you live in europe you're constantly giving them money already.
The UK were the smart ones.
>>344155513
They also invented tesselation and HBM
They give the technology away for the advancement of the industry instead of hoarding it secretly and burying anything they can't profit off, which is what nvidia does.
>>344156008
Almost 100% of the power consumed by electronics is turned into heat. Power consumption *is* heat output.
>>344156173
doesn't mean squat when you look at the way they act compared to jewvidia and jewtel.
> people looking at expensive high end graphic card yet play on 5 years old 60hz monitor
> people thinking having every setting set to max is a must
>>344156168
think you missed a 0 off the end
>>344156283
Nope, caterhams are that cheap to make.
I bought my computer in January 2012. Is it time to upgrade? If so, what do I upgrade? The CPU and the graphics card? I've never tried buying just parts and then putting them in by myself but I heard it's basically just plugging something in, so there's not much you can do wrong.
AMD Phentom(tm) II X4-960T Processor 3Ghz
8 GB Ram
AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series Graphics Card
>>344156245
And what kind of math i have to do to translate that into heat measurement?
Why not just put the chart in °C-°F instead?
>>344156341
>phantom
>>344156449
sorry
>>344156341
Everything except your ram is not up to date.
>AMD literally cannot compete with their 2 rivals Intel and Nvidia
AMD bankruptcy when
>>344156487
YOU FUCKING WILL BE!
>>344156008
It's really logical to conclude that less power equates less heat.
>>344150980
Fuck. Me too
How should I redeem myself? Sell this 1070 when I just bought it?
>>344156551
>AMD release their shit between generations
>AMDfags instantly yell that they 'win' the succeeding generation
>Nvidia releases their own shit for that generation
>AMDfags go quiet
Every fucking generation like clockwork.
>>344156536
Also, I have a 128 GB SSD for my OS and a 1 TB HDD for everything else, but they are getting sorta full. (Although maybe I just need to clean up all the bullshit.)
I know nothing about building a PC. How do I know if there is room for another internal hard drive?
>>344155851
thanks for clearing things up for me. gonna buy a PS4 Neo now. fuck this monkey business!
>>344156569
yes, but how much in degrees?
Thats is the answer i want, because with that information i could make some calculations, like how many fans i need to add or something.
Power consumption only tells me that chart is for a guy who lives in a place with expensive electricity.
>>344147465
except the amd card is cheaper and performs the same.
>>344156341
Your socket is too old
When you get limited by your cpu it will be time to change everything.
I would get a ssd to gain dome confort it don't age.
A high end gpu will get bottlenecked by the cpu at some point, get a second hand 970 in October.
>>344149431
Less electricity cost, lower temps with same cooling capacity, less heat to evacuate from the case... It's only positives.
>>344156694
amdfags are busy playing games with their cards while nvidia fags are shilling on forums because nvidia latest driver broke their card.
>>344156872
>amdfags are busy playing games
But you're here.
NVIDIOTS BTFO
>>344155975
That grapg confuses me. Theres no legend to explain the bottom scale. Is it power times 1.x?
>>344156414
because depending on the regional seaon, climate, room cooling system (fan or air conditioning) the measured results may change?
>>344150326
the difference between 1080 and 1070
>>344157068
>>344156847
>*results may vary
So its worth shit unless you care for the power bill.
I knew it.
>>344149431
What others have said plus noise reduction and increased longevity on paper.
>>344157058
like speed, gigabytes and megapixels you
>>344156328
Theyre from about 12-15k to make start off prices. I know I hhelped a friend part do one.
>>344157147
>>So its worth shit unless you care for the power bill.
do you understand the importance of temperature for electronics?
>>344157147
And the rest of your pc too. That and the fact you need a/c or a fan running to cool the room down as its pushing leg burning heat out.
>>344157147
What do you mean results may vary? 150w tdp takes more cooling power than 100w tdp 100% of the time.
>>344157395
>>344157391
>>344157235
>>344157161
I still dont see the reason, if you have more heat, you put more fans, its not rocket science.
>>344147465
760 fag here, how much of an upgrade would this be?
>>344154384
Shitposters BTFO
Fucking fanboys and shills. Why do these threads always turn into flamewars?
>>344157525
do you understand the importance of noise for users?
>>344155975
Top kek
>>344157525
and make your PC sound like a jet taking off? Pass.
>>344154414
Nuclear waste is buried under concrete and newer reactors can reuse nuclear waste as more fuel.
it is way better than coal/oil for the enviornment
>nvidiot tax far more than the MSRP
>5.5GB RAM
>shit software
>proprietary adaptive sync meaning you have to buy an overpriced monitor with nvidias chips in them
no thanks. ill take a 480 or wait for a 490 or something.
>>344157094
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/417802,gefail-nvidia8217s-driver-fiasco.aspx
>"Nvidia needs to slow down its driver releases. It needs to ensure that every driver is tested, certified and released on its OWN schedule – not to coincide with whatever game it has been paid (or is paying) to create a profile for"
>>344157637
>>344157719
So this is how we do a full circle.
Yes i do, but in my case i use server fans, wich are noisy as fuck and all fans at 100% all the time, and i dont care because i use headphones, so i dont hear it, and i also prefer to damage a fan instead of the component.
So... This is for someone who wants to play using speakers and want the computer runs quietly. this is the final result in all this bullshit.
Now i know why i didnt care in the 1st place.
>>344157808
The only thing strong about Nvidia is its marketing arm
>>344157058
X meme-performance compared to Y
>>344157889
>Now i know why i didnt care in the 1st place.
you care enough to keep track of this thread
>>344157808
https://youtu.be/k79V1-VQGOQ
1060 on paper, the 480 looks dead in the water.
Also wait for the 490.... yep because thats been 100% confirmed for release hasnt it.
Whats to say the 490 will be significantly better? they released the 480 with significant flaws which they claim they didnt see. I would hold out much for these
>>344157889
Who says your components ain't gonna take damage from thermal stress? There is literally 0 downside to using less power if all else is equal.
>>344157094
Please delete this
>>344158004
>significant flaws that get patched with a software update and actually increase performance for every card
>meanwhile nvidia cards rely on software updates and developers using their proprietary tech only for the newest cards to achieve performance gains
>>344157889
yep because running the fans puts 0 stress on the mobo.
Theres mongs and then theres people like you
>>344158175
Are the patches out yet? has anyone done any benchmarks using the new patch yet?
What they say and what really happens is very different.
>>344157986
This thread is not about power consumption, its about the performance of the cards, some random anon put that power target chart as something we should take care of, and i started to ask why because i dont, but i still wanted the answer.
Dont worry, it wont happen again.
>>344158130
>low-average performance with low heat and low noise
>high performance with medium heat and high noise
I can OC the componets and it will last the same if i get them cool enough.
>>344158263
>not using an external power supply for the fans if you go this far
Off course it will kill a mobo in weeks.
>>344147465
should i just buy a 980 Ti when they become cheaper to replace my 970 when the new line comes out?
really disappointed with the 480
>>344147465
>GTX 1060
>The performance of a GTX 980
...Why not just buy a 980 then?
>>344158454
Because its not the lastest shit anon.
Also, like i read before, they abandon drivers optimization, so you will see a difference in the long run.
>>344158454
Does a 980 have VRAM: 6GB GDDR5 ?
>>344158454
More efficient than 980
Costs less
Will have proper driver support for longer
>>344158454
Uses less power, costs less, 980 is no longer in production so getting new ones will get harder as time goes on.
>>344158454
More vram, cheaper, less power usage, more efficient so cooler which in turn is more silent, has a couple of new obscure features someone might care about.
>>344158454
Because price difference.
But more importantly, to avoid new nvidia 10xx series drivers that no longer support the 9xx series.
>>344150194
>144hz
>new
>meme
>>344150194
2K/144 isn't a meme.
4K is however.
>>344158693
Latest drivers work all the way back to the 400 series doe.
>>344158693
>>344158665
>>344158576
>>344158563
>>344158559
>>344158543
I have a 960. I wasn't really planning on upgrading because I live in Canada so card prices are doubled up here.
Is it not safe to upgrade my drivers? Will I basically brick my card?
I'm building a PC for the first time. How do these parts look?
>Intel Core i5-6600k Quad-Core Processor
>WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive
>Asus Z170-K Socket 1151
>Corsair RMx Series RM650x 650 Watts Power Supply
>Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) Memory Kit
>Samsung 850 EVO 250GB 2.5" 6GB/s SSD
>Asus Strix GeForce GTX 960 4GB GDDR5
>>344158887
You have to be a pretty high-level retard to brick a card via drivers of either AMD or Nvidia.
>>344158887
Of course it's safe. It's just that the performance increases aren't as large as on newer cards.
>25% more expensive than a 480
>Only 8-10% stronger than base 480, which is easy to reach with aftermarket/OC... and should have lower framerates in DX12 too
Decent, but I'm not impressed
>>344158837
Yes, the drivers still work with older cards, but they do not provide performance gains for said cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvCsT_dk-1E
>>344158971
>960
No.
>>344158329
You mean
>low-average performance with low heat and low noise
>low-average performance with high heat and high noise
If you overclock the former and latter, it's still gonna be worse for the latter.
>>344158971
Looks great, kiddo
I'm no pc gaYmer but why do those have such a design when they're sitting inside your pc anyways?
who makes clothing for your kidneys?
>>344158837
But they dont bring something usefull, they will only change the name version, and maybe add some secondary features, but nothing to improve the games.
>>344158887
I wont say its safe or not, but sometimes upgrading the drivers fuck up some stuff, sometimes bring new options.
Just use an imaging software to have an image of your C: and do some test after 4 driver releases if you dont want to test every one of them.
>>344159020
you mean same price as the 480 8gb but more than the 480 4gb.
http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480
>>344158971
Get a real fan for cpu you will decrease noise
Not an expert but not too bad Imo
>>344149253
t. Nvidiot
>>344159153
most people, especially the budget-oriented ones, don't care but they're tbere because of the glass side-panel meme.
>>344159076
>videocard at +90° is better than 60-70° because it make less noise
>>344159058
You tried so hard to cherrypick a video only to find out each architecture simply gets optimisations for a couple of months after release, then only optimisations on per-game basis for all cards.
>>344159162
>they dont bring something usefull
Not entirely true, but they don't matter that much.
>but nothing to improve the games
Here's where you're entirely wrong. The reason Nvidia does so well for DX11 games as opposed to AMD is because Nvidia goes as far as to rewrite entire shaders in games just for optimisation sake. It matters for new games.
>>344159327
>>344159076
>Buying reference GPU's
>Ever
>>344159327
Oh, so since you lost the argument you're resorting to strawmen? A card that has 100W TDP and low speed fans will be at 70C while a card with 150W TDP and same cooler will be at higher fanspeed when temp is 70C.
You can't win, because you think that wasting power to switching losses or inefficient design is magically better - which is objectively wrong.
>>344159395
It was AMD's 7970 that still got updated, not Nvidia's 780.
>>344159440
I guess some people learn by making mistakes
>>344159524
>Oh, so since you lost the argument you're resorting to strawmen?
>a card has tdp
We are talking about performance and temperature, not about power, you are pushing the power consumption into this.
If i put more fans to keep the shit cooler, i could OC it harder, wich make it last longer in that OC profile, so, more power for the same lifespan.
>>344159073
I was also looking at a 1070, but it's too expensive.
>>344159135
>>344159202
I'm getting a big Corsair tower. Hoping to keep things cool by sheer volume of free space alone.
>>344159768
fucking watercool it if anon wants to be a bellend about power and heat
>>344158971
not bad except the graphics card, grab the 1060 when it comes out since theres absolutely no reason to get a 960, especially now.
if you are looking for a case id recommend the corsair 500r midtower and grab a non stock CPU cooler (i use the scythe ninja 3 myself but anything is better than stock intel heatsink)
Jesus why are people making it so hard? In electronics the TDP is almost the same as the power usage as the card, in other words if you have a 150W card your card is shitting 150 joules of heat in your room every second. Putting a bigger fan on it/running higher fan speed is going to transfer the heat faster but it won't affect the ambient temperature.
In conclusion, lower TDP = better for sound profile and overclocking. TDP != power consumption.
>>344159768
Lifespan is literally irrelevant because it's almost impossible to keep a card for long enough for it to become an issue.
I had very slow fanspeeds and efficient components for a long time. My Gtx 460 still works after 6 years of 24/7 use. What good does that do? The card can't play games for shit anymore.
And I bought a 960 back in March.
Kinda regret it now, but it was painful putting up with the old 6850 for much longer.
>>344159929
im still skeptical about watercool, ill prefer to sink the entire computer in oil and cool it with that.
>>344160031
More reasons to push it harder if you are going to replace it in like 3 years.
>>344160170
https://youtu.be/yAZRPXWy_nM
Fucking crazy setup. I still cant work out why they used a shitty gpu though
>>344160170
Too bad lower tdp allows you to push it harder than high tdp with the same cooling setup. You still lose.
>>344160337
>low tdp card with a 1700 clock limit
>high tdp card with a 2100 clock limit
>>344155975
Dont know why nvidia didnt go with it :D
>>344160021
This being my first real PC for playing games, are the Nvidia memes real? How much should I worry about spending on fans and cooling?
>>344160312
Fuck it, My next build will be like this.
>>344160438
That's not how it works you tech illiterate cretin. You're conjuring magical devices out of your arse.
should i get 1060 for 1080p?
>>344147770
Just wait for Guru3D's in depth review.
>>344160713
>try to find the actual specs of the rx480
>all i see is tdp and performance per price
>the only detail i see is 5.5 tflops wich is a little more than a titanX
>>344147465
I'm still willing to not have as good of a graphics card if it means not supporting nvidia's stagnation of gpu technology and accessibility
>>344161020
>guy asks about perf/watt
>recommending guru3d, a site that doesn't directly measure gpu power
No.
>>344153312
you can get RX480 in europe for 260euros, but cheapest 1070 starts at 470euro, i have a feeling same shit will happen with 1060, cheapest ones will start at 350euros. FUCK. I guess another generation of gtx 670.
>founders edition
why is this allowed?
>>344161020
You spelt AnandTech incorrectly.
>>344159267
>what is compression
>>344155975
Nvidia ceo here
You're hired, please send us your contact info
>>344161281
its called mandatory gratuity. nvidiots are forced to pay it.
>>344161328
>anandtech
>actually writing reviews
1070 not reviewed at all, and 1080+480 still don't have full reviews, only previews.
>>344161434
PM´ed
>>344157094
Nvidia have the same rate for WHQL driver.
The Crimson driver that killed the graphic cards is unproven, and extremely exaggerated.
Nvidia on the other hand recently released a driver that forced their user to reinstall window.
>>344161539
Because their full reviews take time, for good reason. Their previews are on par with what other sites have up as full reviews.
>>344161715
>Nvidia on the other hand recently released a driver that forced their user to reinstall window
Source? I've been installing the latest drivers for years now without issue.
>>344161551
And yet the 480 loses to titan x by a huge margin. It's as if it's a card not intended for gamers
>>344157956
And, well, the cards that make AMD look like clowns.
>>344160556
what memes?
the cooling i mentioned is for the CPU not GPU
personally i use corsair 500r (240mm side fan and 2 120mm frontal fans with an exhaust fan in the back thats also 120mm) with i5 4670k and scythe ninja 3 for cpu cooling (set at 800rpm) and get around 45c while gaming and an asus 970 strix that nets around 65-70c while under load at 50% fan speed
heat is a non issue for me and ive had this setup for 2 years with no issues
>>344149796
The 480 is not more powerful than the 980, stop spreading this meme.
>>344161715
I think you mean the one that required your windows to be up to a certain point like 35.10 .
Basically windows updater borked for some and it didnt let it update to the correct one.
Hardly nvidias fault.
How do I know this? it happened to me
>>344162056
Do people actually update their GPU drivers via Windows Update?
>>344162029
yes it is. it matches/beats the 980 in most games. the low average is because of one or two games, such as doom, that it performs low in but are getting a vulkan update soon. 480 will beat a 980 in doom after that update, for example.
>>344161715
>Forum posts about nvidia problem
>100% proof
>Forum posts about amd problem
>baseless
Nice damage control
>i need to cards to beat it in some games
>>344162029
R9 nano seems pretty good, why didn't they just make more of that?
>>344162149
No but the gpu driver required a version of windows. If you didnt have that version or above it couldnt work.
Its not rocket science is it.
>>344161992
See
>>344162029
And
>>344162171
But this one dosent have the X in it for some reason, in some games it even beats the 1070.
>>344147465
Will a 1070 be overkill for me a 1080p gaming or should I opt for the 1060?
>>344162171
>i need to spend $200 more to match 480 with a single card
>then buy a proprietary monitor to go with it
KEK, the nvidiot tax+tip is real
>>344161281
Speculators and resellers run up the prices when they buy-out and flip the hardware during the time that stock is being produced. This is Nvidia's attempt to steal their profits and discourage that behavior.
>>344162267
That makes even less sense because all Nvidia drivers are released with installers for each version of Windows.
>>344162331
No card ever is overkill for 1080p gaming in my opinion. Unless all you play is old shit.
>>344162287
Wtf do you want me to see, that I'm right? The only thing beating anything is the 480 crossfire.
>>344162331
Find a 970-980 from a guy desperate to buy the newer ones and take advantage of that.
>>344162384
Obviously not. Try googling the issue. People are still having it.
I had it when I swapped out my 970 for a 1080
>>344162503
Is it really wise to buy a second hand card?
>>344162331
1080p 60fps? 480
1080p 144? 1070
>>344162501
The 480 crossfire doesnt beat a single 1080. It gets a higher score in 3d firestrike but in games the 1080 wins.
https://youtu.be/cVVJPbFRDEc
Upgrade from a 290?
>>344162384
It's probably some windows 10 gimp feature.
>>344162525
>Obviously not.
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/Find.aspx
Pick any Windows version and you'll see the setup is specific for whatever you pick. I still don't even understand what the issue is. And no, obviously if you pick Windows XP it's probably not going to install on a Windows 10 machine.
>>344162557
If you know the guy and how he use his computer, yes.
>>344161797
>Their previews are on par with what other sites have up as full reviews.
Not even close.
>game benchmarks
About 9 games tested at 2 different resolutions with average frame rates recorded. Loses in quantity to many other sites (TPU has 16 at 4 resolutions, guru3d has 15 at 3 resolutions). Only measures performance in average fps meaning they lose in quality to many other sites (guru3d, pcper, toms, for example do fcat frame time measurements). By looking at the benchmarks on anandtech, you don't learn anything you wouldn't learn from other sites. You actually learn less.
>power consumption measured at wall
Into the trash it goes. Wouldn't have even spotted RX 480 PCIe power issues with that setup.
>temperature tests
Just check what GPU-Z says during load. Some other sites look for hotspots with infrared in addition (toms, guru3d, hardware.fr).
>noise tests
>noise floor at like 35 dBA
>can't find the methodology for the testing
Into the trash it goes.
The previews are shit, and miss the only thing that make the full reviews decent.
1060 or 480?
>>344162783
>people are so impatient that they buy something now instead of waiting for proper benchmarks using the games they are going to play to see an actual difference.
>>344162704
It was windows 10. People had problems as when they went to the "windows update" and checked it said it was up to date.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/938253/gtx-1080-not-recognized-and-can-t-install-368-25/
Also like I have said I know theres an issue as I had the bloody issue
>>344149994
how is nvidia desperate if they're winning
AMD is the one that is getting bad press for releasing a card that destroys motherboards
>>344162892
480 if you want to save $100 for the same performance
1060 if you want to spend over $300 on a compatible monitor with nvidia chips required
>>344162151
>desperate amd lies
In those pcgamer benchmarks, 480 beats 980 at 1080p avg fps in 2 games, and loses in 13.
>>344162950
>But muh TDP....
>tfw ive been considering getting a 980ti because its cheap
should I wait for the 1080 to go down in price? I just want to run witcher 3 with hairworks on with no lag and pretty graphics.
>>344153880
I'm pretty fucking impressed with my meme card, it's handling all the VR I can throw at it with my Vive like an absolute champ. It's some of the best GPU bang for buck we've seen in a long while.
>>344150194
Must suck being poor
>>344163047
>on a compatible monitor
Expand?
>>344163195
Witcher 3 is very sexy with a 1080.
>>344163310
you need overpriced monitors with nvidia proprietary chips to get adaptive sync (gsync) on nvidia cards.
>>344163195
Better off waiting. I think 980 ti has frame drops.
>amd didnt make a single car to beat the 1080
>they rely on 2 cards to beat the medium range
And people thought this was a "race"
It's crazy that people are so excited about budget cards like the 480/1060 but somehow the 1080 can't stay in stock due to such high demand. I expected the 1070 to be way more popular but it's actually not and I can find one a hell of a lot easier. I guess it's either poorfags or enthusiasts these days.
>>344163414
course not
they're making cards that your average person can actually afford, not just retardedly expensive shit that only stupid people buy
>people wanting nvidia to have monopol on the GPU market
Competition is needed.
>>344163505
>why do you want to buy an expensive carbon fiber coffin when you can buy a prius and have better mpg
This is how you sound.
>>344162656
No, we should wait for the 490 to come.
Since I want to build a completely new computer how much would a 1070 setup (assuming that 1080 would be overkill) generally set me back by? Assuming non bottle necking CPU and shit. Got peripherals and 120hz+ screen, but would need everything including motherboard, powerblock, ram etc. Would ~1.1k be realistic?
>>344163675
logical and sensible?
>>344163625
Well then AMD need to fire whoevers running the company now and get some managers who aren't retarded.
>>344161281
>basing your whole marketing campaign on a RX 480 4GB for 200USD that doesn't exist
Why is this allowed?
Anyone else worried about the future of AMD?
>Bulldozer was a complete flop, they have a hard time giving their CPUs away, resulted in AMD being pushed out of the server and workstation market
>Get beaten by Nvidia in the high end for years, only get sales at the low end and even then when you have a better card the Nvidia one sells more because of marketing
>AMD hypes up the RX 480
>Nvidia releases the 1060 which looks to be an all around better card, so Nvidia will have not just their good marketing but also an objectivly better card so it will sell shitloads
>AMD is losing the low end GPU market, literally the only thing of AMD that actually sells
>AMD is already in massive debt
I think this may kill AMD for good
>>344163791
yay monopolies
>>344163750
The 480 runs great and is meant for people wanting a relatively cheap gpu. Not for enthusiasts if you will. That however is served for the 490 and the other cards coming. I don't see what's about the 480 for its price and everything.
>>344159020
Don't forget
>10% more performance than a 480
>according to Nvidia
>>344163741
More like a mad poorfag in the same situation as pic related.
>>344163791
Kinda. This part was especially embarrassing
>hype up that AMD is finally trying to compete in the high-end market again
>release Fury cards
>lukewarm reception
>just give up
>release 480
>>344163918
okay?
your average consumer doesn't want a stupidly expensive graphics card
they want something that works and does the job at a reasonable price
stop being a retard
Would this be the ideal 1080p card, or should I play it safe with a 1070?
>>344163791
I hope not, Nvidia having full control would be terrible.
>>344164164
>1070
>1080p card
>>344164164
1080p 60fps: amd 480
1080p 144fps: nvidia 1070
>>344161281
The entire GPU market is fucking stupid. Companies expecting you to spend $300 extra for a card that gives you 10-15 FPS more in games, and autistic framerate fags think this is OK.
>>344164168
They cant legally let AMD go tits up, otherwise nvidia would have an official monopoly which isnt allowed.
Thus the reality is nvidia lets AMD get on with producing mostly shit and sometimes a half decent gpu, without worrying.
>>344164080
>average consumer
You mean casuals.
Off course no one will buy a ferrari, and there are even cheaper cars than the "average car" that can go faster than a ferrari.
Your narrow mind about this proves my point.
>>344164080
To be fair, the 480 which is brand new performs just outside of the realm of what I expect when I buy a new GPU. I can't speak for everyone, but for me it really is just below bare minimum. Yeah you can have amazing perf/dollar but you're not going to buy a GPU for a dollar that just so happens to do well in an arbitrary statistic.
>>344164270
I might upgrade to a better monitor next year.
>>344164286
1070 it is since my current monitor is 1080p/120
>>344147989
nice X axis mofo
>>344147465
BUT HOW MANY TERAFLOPS IS IT, PKEKS?!I'm just pretending, I swear.
>>344164286
you want 1070 for 1080p too since you can just supersample
>>344158327
>Are the patches out yet?
No, however several sites (wccftech, legitreviews) have already done what AMD said the drivers will do and undervolt the card so it falls into pci-e spec, and the results show on average a 3~5% increase in performance across the board.
i just bought a 750 since i wont have any money for a very long time did i fuck up
>2.5GB for $250, 5.5GB for $300
Lel you nvidiots will buy anything
>>344165597
How much did you paid for it?
That will decide if you really fucked up.
>buying a cuck card that will lose support once Volta hits and doesn't even have SLI or aftermarket cooler support
>>344155041
Yeah dude I'd love a smaller library at worse frame rate, resolution and graphics. If I was ever going to be an idiot and buy a console, it would be a PS4 because it has one game I'd like. Nearly everything the Xbone is getting I am going to be getting on my PC.
>>344165712
$100
>>344166192
>The reference PCB design of the RX 480 includes a surprisingly over-engineered voltage regulation and power delivery circuitry
>overdraws from pcie and kills your mobo
kek'd hard
>>344166363
All the more reason to wait for 8pin non-ref cards which will clock like crazy or even the Strix that will be 8pin + 6pin.
Anyone that cares about the reference design must be new to this because reference cards have been terrible since cooling has ever mattered. Who the fuck cares.
>>344166305
Dosent seem to be that much.
You didnt, but you will have to play with settings alot to get stable fps.
>this thread in a nutshell
>>344166989
>implying that novidya bots dosent know about this and wont jump to another car before it explodes
This is like food analogies.
>>344166989
>tfw you see the memecenter logo
>>344154384
This was the most logical post I've ever seen on /v/ or /g/ for that matter. Thank you anon.
>>344167425
Unfortunately it's basically complete bullshit. "Hardware based architecture" made me laugh.
>>344166989
This is outdated. Now the AMD car still has no drivers, but bursts into flames. The Nvidia car slows down and gets passed by its own teammate near the end of the race.
>>344156207
>UK
>SMART
> UK actuallybeing UNITED
>>344167608
How so anon? I was more referencing the last two things he said.
>>344167956
>AMD car still has no drivers
Someone doesn't have an AMD card
Typically with fanoby wars I can navigate the bullshit and be able to come out of reading them with some semblance of the actual truth, but I have to say with Nvidia vs AMD fights, it's completely impossible to do this.
I don't know what kind of card to get bros.
>>344168162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOVBl3dMh4Q
>>344167608
It's not complete bullshit, the idea behind it is vaguely correct. The reason AMD cards still gain performance is because AMD keeps rebranding the same shit over and over and their driver is notoriously badly optimized while their hardware is quite decent for the most part. So there is a lot of performance to be gained on AMD hardware just by continuing to optimize drivers.
Kepler and Maxwell on the other hand have very little in common, so nvidia is not going to make GTX 780s and the ilk run better unless it's by accident.
This "AMD gains performance even after years" is not a guarantee. The only reason it's happening now is because AMD is in such a shitty position financially that they keep using the same architecture over and over.
I don't think this is something they'd do if they were in a better position.
>>344168276
>caring about linux support
>on /v/
>>344168273
If you ask that question, you are retarded to not know the answer for yourself.
If you have the money, buy nvidia, if not buy AMD.
Its not really that hard.
>>344168338
Not sure what you mean by using the same architecture. If you mean GCN 1.0 vs 1.4 then that has always been AMD's style even when they weren't AMD back when they were using TeraScale
>>344162331
Get the 1070 and a cheap 144hz monitor if you haven't already.
It's really too bad AMD couldn't make a card to compete with the 1070 because Freesync being in so many monitors now would make it that much more compelling.
Building my first PC soon, want to know if GTX 960 is worth getting considering im on a bit of a tight budget? I've seen them going for around £120
ho ho hooooooooooooooo
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>>344168846
Right but AMD has been losing since terascale. Before that they were doing pretty good.
is it going to be possible to buy one?
i've been trying to get my non-FE 1080 for over a month now
I should have bought AMD stocks when they were sub 2 dollars
would have doubled my money
>>344158971
I have a 960 and its lasted me a year managing 1080p/60fps at medium settings on newer games. Its not the best choice now though. The price to performance ratio isnt great and it wont be able to run newer games for long.
If you do for some reason want to get one dont go with the 4gb version either. You're paying more for the same performance. I dont know the details but for some reason its bottlenecked so the extra 2gb isnt really used.
tl;dr get a 10 series card
>>344169220
I think that has little to do with their architecture development model.
>>344169162
It's pretty obvious the rx 480 will have a lead in DX12 titles, but until more games use DX12 then it's not the best overall indicator.
I own an R9 290X
Is the 1060 a better card ?
Even if it's just small upgrade that price seems really good
>>344169516
Why is that? Do you think it's cheaper to build new architectures that make your products more efficient or to reuse the old architecture with minor improvements?
>have gtx 760
>want gtx 1070
when are the prices going to fucking drop? newegg has one for $399 but its always sold out, should i try and snag it when re-stocks happen?
>>344169735
did you even look at the fucking thread? yes 1060 is better
>>344169761
Of course the former. Now you have to tell me how that's the leading factor in AMD's declining marketshare. It isn't, it's mainly failed marketing tactics and resource management in relation to that.
>>344170010
err latter I meant
>>344170010
Nvidia products are more efficient for same or higher performance. Why would you want to buy AMD products?
AMD is a mismanaged clusterfuck and they brought ATI down with them. They haven't had a good design in years.
>>344169735
it's not really worth upgrading unless you're rich and like wasting money
>>344168070
It's a bit more complicated than that. While it's true that Kepler-based GPUs are performing worse than equivalent AMD GPUs from that time. However, treating this as a norm is incorrect. For example, did 560 Ti start losing to 6950 harder? We can see that at 560 Ti's launch, 6950 beat it by roughly 8%. Over a year later, we can see that the gap hasn't widened at all. In fact, it has shrunk a little (6950 4% ahead), though the difference probably isn't statistically significant.
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_560_Ti/images/perfrel_1920.gif
https://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/images/perfrel_1920.gif
So why do GCN 1.0 cards fare better than Kepler cards now? A lot of it is speculation, but what >>344168338 says is probably part of the reason. Nvidia's architectural changes from Kepler to Maxwell were a bit more significant than what AMD did with when going from GCN 1.0 to 1.1 and 1.2. AMD would then have an easier time optimizing performance for all their cards due to more similarities in the architectures than nvidia, who'd be too lazy to support older products properly.
I'm sure there are many other reasons for it as well, but I'm not knowledgeable enough for that.
Besides, performance over time in new games isn't the sole factor you should determine your purchases on. I keep my cards for a long time, but I wouldn't buy an AMD card because they cost me shitloads more in the long term due to their power draw with multiple monitors.
But AMD has open source BSD support.
>>344169820
>when are the prices going to fucking drop?
never. most AIB took FE price as a MSRP. AMD has nothing in this range, so there's no reason to compete. GPU prices are slowly rising, performance is rising as well, but 5 years ago GTX x70 didn't cost as much.
>>344168273
wait til the cards come out by a third party manufacturer and never preorder. do this every time and you won't get screwed over.
also don't listen to fanboys on an anonymous board. they are retarded and don't know what they are talking about.
>>344170172
>Nvidia products are more efficient for same or higher performance. Why would you want to buy AMD products?
Obviously you haven't been following this long. A while ago, you know back when Fermi? People cared far less about power efficiency. Nvidia changed the tone with marketing.
Also having a better product doesn't even matter. Check the Intel antitrust lawsuit. This is what truly killed AMD.
>>344169162
Not sure what happened to TPU's 960 there.
>>344170678
>1080 SLI performs WORSE than single card
>joke around that the 1060 will 250/300 dollars
>that's what they actually priced it at
>>344170595
>People cared far less about power efficiency
Let's see the user comments for GTX 480 review on TPU.
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 320 Watts!
> As expected I would say.... but no thanks, the electric bill would get into account because of the very big difference on power draw...
>only shows any significant performance advantage in a few situations where both cards average over 100+FPS, disappointing pile of fail, at least the fanbois will still buy it 300watts vs 188watts Whup tee doo well done nFailia :shadedshu
> Power draw is ludicrous .
That was just from the first page. There are 33 more pages.
Stop revising history.
>>344171046
Gimpworks just works, baby!
>>344170595
If you have to travel back to 2009 where AMD was still in the game to make your argument, then I don't know what to say. It doesn't reflect the reality anymore. Today AMD has fallen far behind, with their 14nm cards competing with nvidias 28nm products.
Also I cared just as much about power efficiency back then as I do today. That's why I strongly considered the HD 5850 and 5870 before nvidia released the GTX 460 which seemed like a better deal to me. Ironically a Fermi housefire chip.
>>344170256
If I was rich I'd be buying a 1080
>>344151336
So all they did is establish the 480s performance as "1" and then graph out how much relatively stronger the 1060 is, and then start their graph at an arbitrary point? And without establishing any sort of context?
>>344168273
theres no argument really necessary.
amd 480 if you have a 1080p monitor.
but youll need a 1070 or above if you have 144hz or 1440p monitor.
you can also check on specific games performance if you would like to save $200 by using 480s in crossfire.
>>344171254
One comment doesn't change overall tone. You're talking something far, far more excessive then we have now in terms of power efficiency discrepancy as well.
Also remember we're talking about why AMD has had a declining marketshare. You brought up performance and power efficiency. Well that can't be it because Fermi did just fine for Nvidia. AMD's marketshare was still at a decline, in fact it was at an all time low at that point.
>>344171359
You can't say their 14nm cards are competing architecture wise with Nvidia's 28nm until Vega is released. Polaris is a budget solution more than an efficiency one. Also there's large performance gaps between release day and a few years from now with drivers. That's what that other poster meant by hardware based.
>>344171854
>one comment
That's four.
And feel free to prove your statement that people care more about GPU power efficiency now.
>you brought up
Different person.
>>344171854
/g/ was full of people saying that. I had exactly your argument to say back then, which is that most gamers probably don't care about it and I was right to a degree. But you know what? There are more people around today saying that shit than there were back in the Fermi days. I was a minority back then, but if I said that today I'd be in the majority.
Literally everyone I know was making fun of the 480 housefire.
Is GTX 950 worth it for a budget machine?
>>344172356
Only if it's literally the best you can afford.
>>344172269
>And feel free to prove your statement that people care more about GPU power efficiency now.
Pretty hard to give proof if you haven't just been following it over the years. You see reviewers shifting focus on power efficiency now and like I said, if people really cared then you'd have seen far more of a market jump for AMD at the time. Pretty easy to make out. The proof is in the numbers and not what shitposters on a imageboard are saying like >>344172314 is implying.
>>344147465
You deserve a nvidia monopoly full of proprietary software and hardware.
>>344172645
AMD was doing really well back then you moron. The only thing that stopped them from absolutely dominating was the fact that GTX 460 had power efficiency parity with the competing AMD cards. Only the 480 and 470 were kinda nasty, and 480 had the fact that it was the fastest GPU up its sleeve.
>>344147989
>implying this is real
kys if you believe this
>>344172942
>AMD was doing really well back then
Relative to now? I guess... I'd hardly call this well though
>>344148554
Theyre even more scumbags when you realize how many shills they hire to shit on AMD worldwide
THANK YOU BASED NVIDIA
>>344173131
that graph doesn't mean shit tbqh.
>>344173507
But internet fights do. Yeah, that's what a lot of people on /v/ and /g/ like to believe too.
>>344173131
Sure why not. The company had been going downhill for a long time before that. From what I remember the previous generations of AMD chips leading up to the 5xxx series were kinda shit/meh.
The 5xxx series was the first time since the X850 and whatnot days I was excited about AMD. The last time too.
rofl amd fags have already spent their food stamps on the RX480 Watts
>>344173131
Aoutch...
Notice how it's been going down hill since they've been bought by AMD in 2k6... You can even tell when they stopped using the brandname ATI in 2k10.
>>344173859
Goddamn.
>>344148305
Every fucking chart does this when people want to compare things. They "zoom in" so the difference always looks bigger. You can still see the 1060 is "supposedly" about 15% more powerful on average.
>>344147989
Videocard fanboys are even more retarded than consolewar fags, if that's even possible. Who makes graphs like that? Jesus Christ.
>>344147465
wait if its the power and the same as the 980 why dont they just reduce the price in 980s?
>>344173709
Do they sit on the loo and take a poo while answering reddit as well?
>>344173859
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>>344148305
Why the fuck do you need it to start at 0, it just adds tons of empty space. Read the god damn numbers.
>>344173859
Brutal.
>>344150980
literally why would you buy ANY of these GPUs right now. Just wait a month or two for the better and cheaper versions.
>>344173859
Shit son. AMDfags are going to need a trip to the BURN ward.
>>344152460
Are you really so poor that $29 per year even factors into your decision making?
>>344174407
Techno-fetishism. The latest is always the BEST. And you MUST have it NOW.
>implying there is even a competition
>AMD burning up your computer
>>344174848
Seems weird.
>>344172645
People who actually know about tech make a tiny minority of GPU purchases. You're assuming that the majority of people knew that AMD cards were more efficient. They probably didn't.
Besides, most people don't buy high end graphics cards either. Like >>344172942 said, 460 wasn't a power hog.
Market share isn't really a good way to argue against this.
>>344174246
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>>344163459
I got a 1080 day one for 699+5 burgers shipped.
Feels good.
Anyone want to look over my current planned build? Looking to pick up a 1080, maybe not founders edition, also looking at the FTW and SC versions.
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/nG2QVY
>>344174197
POO IN THE GPU
>>344174947
Most people have no idea what they're actually buying. The amount of misinformation and propaganda in anything technology related is unbelievable.
>>344163675
Beautiful car, but white is not it's color.
>>344175064
I'm actually making the argument against that people knew that they were more efficient. I'm saying that it didn't matter because of failed marketing.
Also no idea why real numbers are a bad way to argue that AMD's architecture isn't why they're failing when they actually had better architecture it didn't help regardless.
>>344174682
I take long term costs into account when making purchases, because I have more than enough money to work with at the moment as far as computer hardware is concerned.
Say we have GPU A and GPU B. Both A and B perform identically, but A costs $200 and B costs $250. However, A also forces you to pay $100 extra over 3 years.
Which GPU do you buy? The one that costs $50 less initially, or the one that ends up being $50 cheaper in the long run?
>>344175725
The one that is cheaper now, because that extra 50 can be turns into another 50 easily.
>>344173859
Is this real?
I might just kill myself, jesus fucking christ
>>344175725
>Which GPU do you buy? The one that costs $50 less initially, or the one that ends up being $50 cheaper in the long run?
The one that doesn't get later downgraded via updates, duh.
>>344175828
Good luck with that.
>>344162010
The memes of them getting really fucking hot.
>>344169502
I might just have to spend a few hundred leaf dollars on a 10 series, then. Oh well.
SHOULD I GET THE 1070 OR JUST SETTLE FOR THE 1060
I HAVE A 1440P MONITOR AND AM NOT PARTICULARLY RICH
>>344177105
For 1440? 1080. The fuck would you have a 1440 monitor if you aren't rich enough for high end cards?
>3gb & 6gb configurations
fucking why
>>344177636
No 3GB version has been announced.
>>344177856
Let me rephrase that then
>6gb configuration
Fucking why?
>>344178230
Because a GPU at that performance level doesn't need more than 6 GB?
>>344178230
Because it has a 192bit memory bus. Why? I don't know. Looking at the GPU PCB if the image I'm seeing floating around is accurate, the GPU physically has 8 memory controllers but 2 of them are disabled.
Maybe they are toning it down so AMD can catch up.
>>344176253
Don't buy a reference card and you won't get meme'd.
>>344177636
Can this meme die already?
>nvidia says 1070 will out preform a titian x
>its actually does
I can actually see the 1060 matching a 980 and a 4GB 1050ti matching a 970and the 1080ti destroying vega before it even comes out
If I have an i5 2500k will this card be bottlenecked?
>>344179253
I think it'll be behind in some benchmarks. Specially if you compare it to a non-reference 980.
>>344173859
These are the same ppl that made the bait Eva strip right
guru3d.com/files-details/amd-radeon-software-crimson-16-7-1-driver-download.html
drivers are up
