>“Valve is like a bar owner who lets people set up roulette wheels and blackjack tables in the back, sells chips to teenagers on their way in the door, and then makes people cash out at the pawn shop across the street,” Ward said. “Oh, and it has created a new game it owns and on which those kids can gamble, then lets the bookies take bets on it in the corner booth."
>“The fact that it’s Valve’s server and software instead of a bar, and Steam’s API instead of a physical roulette wheel and international websites like OPSkins instead of a pawn shop and Lounge instead of a bookie in the corner booth doesn’t change what Valve is doing: it has created a gambling ecosystem out of thin air, and its customers are getting scammed and losing money on rigged websites as a result."
>“Valve’s decision to unblock Lotto after this is mind boggling and I look forward to getting answers from Valve’s key decision makers on that,” Ward continued. “Or even a quote on the record from someone at Valve about the Skins gambling economy would be a good start. Valve’s public silence while privately helping gambling sites operate in the Steam Marketplace is unconscionable.”
Post your face when Valve will die in your lifetime
>>344106170
Who is Valve?
>>344106170
it's going to be settled in the courts, if it even gets there, where i am sure valve has already had their team of lawyers plan for this sort of scenario.
This is only a problem because the people who run these sites are the scum of the earth.
The underage gambling thing doesn't bother me as much as the part where the owners are "gambling" on their own site (read: rigging it) and making videos/streaming about that site without disclosing they're the fucking owner.
>fucktardos visit OPSkins and have their money stolen
CLEARLY VALVE IS AT FAULT
BY THE WAY, THERE WOULD BE NO MORE GAMBLING IF WE OUTLAWED ALL DICE
>>344106170
remember when Valve and Gaben were literal gods here on /v/ before? What happened to that rabid fanbase?
>>344106170
>Valve is about to get their shit fucked and wrecked
lmao. How much of your parents money did you spend?
>>344106170
The funny thing is... Valve isn't the ones who created the CS:GO betting sites. It's not like Valve was scamming anyone.
These lawyers going after Valve are idiots going after the wrong people. They should be going after the youtubbers who own the site.
>Retarded parents let their kids buy tons of CS:GO crates
>Get mad because their kids are retarded like them and are wasting money then throwing away the items they wasted money on.
kek
>>344106170
actually valve is going to skate through this like they're coated in crisco
sorry kids, valve will become a major international multimedia conglomerate in your lifetime. (oh wait)
>>344106746
They stopped making games.
>>344106170
>Lawyer
>calling anyone unconscionable
Wait how the fuck it's Valve's fault?
>>344106807
Read the fucking OP, it's their servers and API
>>344106746
i hate that shit, its stupid.
people play video games, companies make video games. hardware makers make hardware. No company is your ally, EVER.
if being nice = more money (good PR, fanbase) theyll be nice, if being asses (DLC) is more money, theyll be asses.
COMPANYS= WANT MONEY, YOU = HAVE MONEY
>>344106746
Last game was 5 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0
For those who don't know what CS:GO betting site is in question. Watch this video.
>>344106323
He created the video game called Steam.
>>344106903
Read the fucking OP >>344106909
>>344106903
because parents have to be mad at someone
>>344106170
Oh look, it's another "millenial makes a retarded analogy, that makes it illegal" thread.
>>344106903
valve just setup a marketplace that people can sell items on. people turned it into gambling. valve didnt do much about it like they dont give a shit about greenlight
>>344107024
I did, and I don't see how it's Valve's fault, I only see a desperate lawyer fighting for attention.
>>344106170
>Skins gambling economy
I've never played GO. Is he just talking about paying real money for virtual crates with virtual paint schemes for virtual guns in them?
>>344106909
>it's their servers and API
doesn't matter. in fact, it matters in valve's favor: ruling against them would hold engineering entities liable for communications transmitted across new avenues they created
the courts would not set this precedent
valve will never be taken to court over this
>>344106608
>hate the fake asshole Youtube and Twitch "personalities" who got their fame by being "entertainers" instead of good at video games (like pros or speedrunners) or building a community the genuine way
>the faggots who would sell out to anyone for a dollar and use the most obvious psychological tricks to goad people into subscribing and donating
>now those same people are making illegal gambling sites
I hope they go directly to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200.
Would losing a lawsuit get them off their asses and making games again?
So wait, parents get pissed that their kids are wasting money on rigged sites gambling with skins in a game that is 18+ rated?
As in, something they aren't even allowed to play? And it is the parents complaining?
Seriously?
>>344106706
>CS:GO kiddos can't imagine the idea of le based Gaben being in the wrong
They're essentially letting their players buy poker chips they create and then turn them loose on a strip full of rigged casinos that end up funneling money back to Valve. They've facilitated it, and despite doing this shit for years and knowing how cancerous it is, they also haven't done anything about these sites. Looking the other way is as bad as being activelly involved, which they're also guilty of. Valve and the cancer that they are on PC gaming, and gaming as a whole, are fucked.
>>344106746
Liking Valve and that fatass was always an ironic joke, much like PCMR. They've been kept alive much, much longer than they should have been by retards who took the joke seriously and thought everyone was being genuine.
>>344107225
Virtual skins that can be turned into a steam-only virtual money.
But these retards are trying to posit that since there are unrelated folks who are willing to trade the skins for real money, it's suddenly valves responsibility.
>>344106909
>Read the fucking OP, it's their servers and API
Are you retarded? Valve didn't create the rigged gambling websites you dumb fuck. What you are reading is clickbait article that blames valves for those gambling website.
Watch the youtube in >>344106985 and you'll learn who really are the creators of those gambling websites.
I had a lot of fun betting items for dota pro games. In fact I understand why a lot of people enjoy betting on sports.
Couldn't say I cared nearly as much about losing as I did winning.
>it's Valve's fault I got scammed by russians
that's sort of like blaming the table on the fact you got ripped off by a card shark
the only possible benefit I see is the industry as a whole is forced to back off this loathsome RNG gambling model SO MANY greedy publishers have adopted to make a sleazy buck.
>>344106819
so youre saying its ok to steal from children? kids do lots of stupid shit that doesnt mean you can go ahead and rob them especially if the shit could potentially be rigged.
>>344107225
No there exists a fully fledged gambling economy outside of Gabes Jewtastic crate garbage.
But my games will go away if they die
HOW TO MAKE THREE GRANDS OF MONEY USING CSGO LOTTO
>>344107308
No, it's going to bankrupt them. They're going to have to sell their company to the highest bidder, and that's going to be EA. We will never get HL3. Steam will be fully converted to Origin.
>>344107308
Nah, they'd just invest in more toasters and MLP toys.
>>344106170
>Lawyer
>Uses an analogy that retarded
Looks like Valve can just relax, because the opposition is Lionel Hutz
Any mainstream journos coming to the defense of Valve?
They were completely asleep at the wheel while this shit went down.
>valve
>making statements
It took the collective wrath of the dota 2 community to get gabe to call 2gd an ass on reddit
What hope do these idiots have
>>344106909
So what? How the fuck is Valve responsible for someone's misusing their API? Also, last time I checked, when you login in a third party site using your steam account, there's a clear disclaimer telling you that you are entereing a non-valve site.
I just don't follow.
>>344106170
>literal nobody has opinion
>"Valve will die in your lifetime"
If that was all it took, everything would cease to exist
>>344107376
it's more like blaming bicycle for gambling problems.
>>344107339
>. Looking the other way is as bad as being activelly involved, which they're also guilty of.
Wrong and wrong. It's okay to hate valve, but at least do it for the right reasons.
>>344106170
>FBI Raids Valve HQ
>Finds no evidence of HL3
>>344107538
It's not like being wrong stops people from acting like they are right. Don't bother using reasoning.
>mfw Valve defence force ITT
>>344107339
>They're essentially letting their players buy poker chips they create and then turn them loose on a strip full of rigged casinos that end up funneling money back to Valve.
Hey man want to come to my card game? you can only pay using toilet paper.
Are toilet paper manufacturers now liable for the gambling?
It's sad that /v/ wants to have valve, one of the companies that has honestly done the most for modern gaming. Get big and teens automatically hate you, just the way of the world...teens hate any large entity because large = "the man"
>>344107564
>an opinion is equal to suing a company via class action lawsuit
>>344107151
If you are 35 or under you're still considered a millenial.
>>344106170
>“Valve is like a bar owner who lets people set up roulette wheels and blackjack tables in the back, sells chips to teenagers on their way in the door, and then makes people cash out at the pawn shop across the street,”
What a shitty analogy.
Valve is more like the pizza arcade that has cool ticket prizes that everyone wants, and the scammers are people who are setting up shop next door.
Valve is not responsible for actions done by others outside, even if those others are using Valve's tickets and prizes that were earned inside the arcade.
>>344107741
I can sue you for shitposting on 4chan.
How do you think that is gonna work out?
>>344107698
If you're going to make a retard analogy at least actually understand gambling laws.
>>344107373
These kid didn't bet their items on games; They bet on a e-roulette table.
>>344107376
>the only possible benefit I see is the industry as a whole is forced to back off this loathsome RNG gambling model SO MANY greedy publishers have adopted to make a sleazy buck.
This.
I'm fucking amazed more developers/publishers haven't ended up in court sooner.
Never mind the third parties running scummy sites, the developers and publishers themselves are engaging in some pretty heinous business practices.
>>344107696
>It's a /v/ doesn't know what they're talking about so they mindlessly scream "It's over" episode
Best episodes desu
>people are actually stupid enough to get scammed out of money or skins by literal third-worlders
They deserve it.
Since we are on full shit analogy-mode.
If I get scammed out of real money, the federal reserve is actually responsible for it? Good to know.
>>344107336
Well somebody has to take responsibility and parents opted out a long time ago.
>>344107847
I'd wager that I understand the laws more fully than most people in the discussion here and my analogy is valid and simple, not retarded. The analogy in the OP is, however, invalid.
valve cannot and will not be prosecuted. re: the class action lawsuit, they will probably give the lady $1000 and tell her to stfu or soemthing.
With Half Life 3 due to never come out I couldn't care less if they go under just as long as I get to keep my steam games.Either way I hope this prompts them to make games again.
Is there anything more satisfying then watching wannabe e-celebs get utterly BTFO?
>>344107987
I thought these sites actually bet money for the items
>>344108130
So what if they do? Has basically nothing to do with valve. Once again, it's like betting for any other item. The manufacturer of the item is not at fault.
>>344107830
It's certainly above having just an opinion. He's doing an action. You act like class action lawsuits have never worked in the past.
>>344107696
is it whoever the fuck makes runescapes fault when one of those twitch whores flash their tits to a bunch of teens in exchange for in game gifts? Is it Wizard's fault when I make chubby nerd girls suck me off for cards?
Valve has managed to become a pretty shitty company in a lot of ways (in fact, ruining counterstrike with skin shit is one of them), but this is one of those things that isn't their problem.
>>344108130
No. It's skins in, skins out.
You go pick a match, you pick the skins you want to bet. You send the skins to a bot then wait for the results of the match.
If you win the bet, you get your skins back plus extra skins worth the value of your winnings.
Real money never passes hands on places like CSGOLounge.
Their argument is that because some other sites exist which directly trade skins for money (no betting involved) suddenly Valve and SCGOLounge, etc are responsible.
Who cares, the old Valve is already long dead.
>>344107696
>people pointing out how idiotic this is
>DURR HURR Valve defense force
Not that we should expect any better from smug anime girl posters but come on.
Valve has been dead to me since 2009.
Steam is the cancer of PC gaming.
>libtards trying to punish innovators because they want companies to do their parenting for them
so what else is new. they should all fuck off and go to africa where there are no risky digital items to gamble with.
>>344107336
because age ratings generally aren't legal restrictions, only recommendations
>>344106170
Good, fuck valve
So is Steam going to die?
Is this the death of PC gaming?
>>344108425
>tfw switched to GOG years ago and don't have to deal with Valve's bullshit
Based CDPR saving PC gaming
Steamkiddies are all to blame, fuckin retards buying using their parent's money, being irresponsible during fucking Steam sales and now getting assraped by some low tier scammers.
Fucking retards.
>>344108559
stop false flagging
>>344106746
They lived long enough to become the villains.
>>344106170
Oh my god that has to be one of the most retarded analogies I have ever read.
>>344108664
yes, steam is going to die because a lawyer is begging for attention about his dumb lawsuit
>>344108559
>>344108130
No, no money. Just skins, for example
CSGOLounge:
>Go to the website
>Pick an upcoming match
>Pick your team, and choose the skins you want to bet
>Watch the match
>If you win, you'll get your original skins back and then a monetary equivilent of bonus skins worth whatever you odds were. If you bet a $1 skin on a 2:1 game, you'll get back a $2 bonus skin as well.
>You leave with your skins
CSGOLotto:
>Go to website
>Register your skins into the system
>Give them to a bot
>Just like real life lottery, some people will win big, 99% will lose
>If you won, you get your winning value worth of skins given to you
These sites do not have any direct money involved at all, it's all skins.
But their (retarded) argument is that because a site like www.opskins.com exist, which are an against the Steam TOS third party buying and selling site for real money, suddenly Valve, CSGOLounge and other sites are breaking the law, even though they are not affiliated in any way, nor do they allow this with their terms.
I don't like VALVE, but why should I care about LEGAL UNDERAGE GAMBLING?
>>344106170
You're saying a lawyer with a vested interest in earning money from performing a suit against Valve called Valve a mean name in order to turn more people to his side?
Bizarre.
>>344108559
What dies this have to do with liberals, you retarded cunt? Seriously, we're talking about video games and you have to insert "those gosh darn LIBERALS!" into this... BECAUSE FUCKING WHY?! Does your life revolve around politics so much you can't even go into a non-political discussion without bringing up the fact you're a cum-snorting /pol/tard? Or are you looking for some comfort by shitting on a completely non-related group so you can seem cool?
I don't fucking get it. I don't get how faggots like you can just fling out buzzwords as the boogeymen to give shit reason ALL. THE. GOD. DAMN. TIME.
Get the fuck off /pol/ and let your brain actually heal or fuck off back to your containment board and never come back, you fucking tool
>>344108880
And it's coming from a lawyer, too. Let that sink in, this man went to law school.
>>344106746
Paid mods
Buying hats is for retards
>>344108032
it's certainly in the top ten
>>344109164
Thanks for the Non sequitur.
We're talking about CS:GO you dumbo.
>>344109102
found the libtard
>>344107830
If your shitposting is ruining my reputation, it could go well for me.
>>344109164
So is watching H3H3, but that doesn't stop /v/eddit.
>>344109131
He's playing his own lottery. Gambling the judges/ jury are retarded enough to fall for his logic. He's probably smart enough to realize this is stupid. He's just hoping his opposition is dumber.
>>344109279
Found the retard.
>>344109260
cosmetics are for retards is what he's saying
which they are but at least in tf2 you actually look different in cs:go all you can really tell is that they got a pink gun or whatever not that it's some dumb ass 4000$ gun or something
>>>/reddit/
>>344108002
Fruit in cookies is pretty gross.
Such a waste, both the fruit and the cookie are rendered useless.
It's like adding soy sauce to a bottle of coca-cola.
>>344107802
It's actually a decent analogy. In Japan gambling laws are very strict and they have things there called 'Pachinko Parlors.' They are basically casinos where you win stuffed animals as prizes. Then they take said stuffed animals around the back corner to a window and exchange the stuffed animals for money. I witnessed this myself when I was there. CSGO betting sites are basically just a digital pachinko parlor.
>>344108671
as soon as they manage to get the majority of my steam games on their platform and the steam keys transferred like they started doing, i am jumping over and never looking back
i already use it for a few things that were super simple to transfer save data
we'll see how long it takes for them to either die a hero or become the villain
>>344107339
>They're essentially letting their players buy poker chips they create and then turn them loose on a strip full of rigged casinos that end up funneling money back to Valve.
No they're letting players take responsibility for their own items. Blaming Valve for this would be like blaming Toys R Us for some kid betting their Pokemon cards on the playground and then going back to buy some more after they lost. It's fucking retarded and people need to learn to accept responsibility for when they screw up instead of demanding regulation on everything.
>tfw you lived long enough to see the mighty Valve hat market collapse and force them to go back to making good games and not bait for preteens
FIRST GAWKER
THEN MN9
NOW THIS
GAMING IS BEING SAVED
No one resents Steam for DRM?
>>344109471
>CSGO betting sites are basically just a digital pachinko parlor.
No, they're not, because at no point can you extract money back out of the system.
>>344108949
Betting is illegal, retard. Even if isn't using money. Those sites aren't closed down because the government still think we're in the fifties. The internet it's still a place not quite regulated and understood by the government.
The only debatable thing here is if Valve broke the law by allowing those websites access to the API.
And in my view, valve did break the law. They know those websites are illegal and they still didn't do shit because more betting = more people losing skins = more people buying skins to bet.
>>344106170
Hah, Valve is rolling in dough. They can pay to silence every single one of these chuckle-fucks and absolutely nobody will see the inside of a courtroom.
That's what it's all about boys, it's not about kids gambling, it's about hoping to get hush money, because if these dumbshits actually took Valve to court over that API, an API, which was created *before* CS:Go was a thing, their Law degrees would instantaneously self-combust out of the sheer lunacy of it all.
>>344109524
>tfw you lived long enough for valve to disallow use of their API to betting sites
>>344109260
>We're talking about CS:GO
I think you mean Gun Hat Simulator 2016.
>>344109524
>implying this suit will go anywhere
The users built this hat based economy, not valve.
>>344109591
>Betting is illegal, retard.
As proven by the wave of failed laqsuits against fantasy sports organizations recently, not it's not.
>>344109131
Of course he is. It's the man's job to spin as much bullshit as possible but there's no way it'll stick.
To counter a retarded analogy with another retarded analogy, it's like blaming a company for making the robot that made the car that ran over your family.
>>344109584
>TFW made 9k out of a csgo betting site
You are wrong though.
>>344109584
https://skinxchange.com/
>>344109561
Tell me why you think people should resent steam for DRM
And I'll tell you this: I used to have to put CDs and shit in my drive to play games, do outdated shit like that. That's DRM. now I don't.
Now I have less DRM. Why would I complain?
>>344109102
>he mad
>>344106170
It wasn't Gambling when MTG had you bet cards at the start of the game so how is this different?
>>344109584
Yes you can, there are plenty of websites or people willing pay you money for your skins.
Obviously its not valves fault there, but it's pretty easy or at least not hard to get real money from your digital items.
>>344109591
>And in my view, valve did break the law
Of course they did, you contrarian fuck. Stick it to the man my fedora lord.
Learn how an API works.
>>344109679
against terms of service, which matters to courts. believe it or not.
>>344107696
The amount of fanboyism in this thread is fucking disgusting. I hope these faggots are just shitposting. I really do
>Why should Valve be responsible for not regulating their own system and allowing literally anyone to misuse them?xD
>>344108671
GOG will never be a competitor to Valve if they continue their DRM free model.
All they have is indieshit and good old games. Very few publishers in the past two generations want to DRM free their games, and even less will give Steam owners free GOG copies, which is the only way they could sway Steam users.
>>344109802
Steam still allows you to use it.
>>344108671
>switching to GoG
>not blackcats
digital "goods" are a scam
>>344106170
>“The fact that it’s Valve’s server and software instead of a bar, and Steam’s API instead of a physical roulette wheel and international websites like OPSkins instead of a pawn shop and Lounge instead of a bookie in the corner booth doesn’t change what Valve is doing: it has created a gambling ecosystem out of thin air,
Anyone can do that with anything.
You could accuse record companies of doing it.
I could start a gambling site over what new records are going to succeed and what singles will be a hit.
>>344109728
>>344106170
>some lawyer is angry at valve and uses fucking bar analogy to show their point
WOW FUCKING GABEN IS DEAD, VIDEOGAME INDUSTRY AS WE KNOW IT IS FINISHED, R.I.P. GAMING
>>344106170
Finally, Valve will go out of fucking business.
>>344107308
No they'll just have something to go along with skins and taunts to sell for idiots with too much disposable income.
>>344109698
Because you could've used a noCD crack and had full functionality and still be able to resell shit games. Now you can't resell shit or get your games to boot half the time. Enjoy your always online DRM and f2p shovelware.
>>344109503
You're entitled to play pretend all you like, but if your example where to resemble anything close to reality, then Toys R Us would be making money off of every Pokemon card trade that those playground kids make.
>>344106903
Basically people are pissed that Valve didn't do anything to stop it and have kept radio silence since the entire shitstorm started. What most people don't get is that Valve keeps radio silence literally all the time for everything and there's a good chance they didn't even know this was happening because they're honestly very disconnected from their community now.
>>344106903
Make a unregulated market where texture skins of zero gameplay value cast $350 USD or more
>>344106903
You know how if somone murders someone and you see it, but dont tell anyone, you are in the wrong? Same deal
>>344109860
How does Steam allow it? By having Steam Trading system and not having an Indian Tech Support faggot oversee every trade?
Or by having a public API? Which won't hold up to shit in court because it sets unreasonable precedent standards for digital communication monitoring.
But I bet you didn't even think of that, because if you're retarded enough to make that post you surely are retarded enough to not see past the tip of your contrarian nose.
>>344109280
You are on an anonymous message board, posting under an assumed anonymous name. You have no reputation.
>>344106746
>Don't make games anymore
>hats and skins between tf2, Dota2, and CSGO are cancer inducing
>paid mods
>Steam sales no longer have voting/flash sales
>give us your phone number please
>buy our shitty controller and Steam link please
>full shilling in general
>Gaben is a brony
>>344109860
>>344109759
doesn't. matter. "steam" doesn't "allow" you to use anything, the API is freely available to use and they aren't required to police it.
The pachinko parlor analogy does not work. you can't extract money from the prizes inside valve's system. you have to go outside the system and/or violate TOS directly and explicitly.
>>344110008
The only thing that gives Valve money is purchasing skins not trading them. Someone losing their skins on a betting site isn't going to magically give Gabe a few extra dollars.
>>344109660
>Fantasy sports that has nothing to do with this
>Not knowing the difference between gambling and betting
>>344109773
>Valve letting betting sites access to user steam libraries assets so they can be used for betting
>Not a crime
I'm not the defending valve and I'm the contrarian? That's really fucking rich.
>>344109996
In what world do you think people ever resold PC games?
you werent even alive during the period of time youre reminiscing back to...trust me, steam is a lot better than downloading from fileplanet at 5kb/sec because you didn't pay for premium membership monthly.
>>344110040
>don't arbitrarily regulate your market
>your consumers decide on what they want to pay for pretty knives and hats all on their own and this is agreed upon across the entire community and a value is set
>you benefit from their commerce through your marketplace
Why would they regulate this? The community is self regulating.
>>344110138
It's okay if Valve does it.
>>344106170
I'll grab the popcorn.
Thanks for making my week even better, OP, this month really has been christmas in july
>>344110040
>valve allows people to do what they want
>retards start spending thousands of dollars on 1's and 0's
>FUCKING GABEN WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP THIS I'M CALLING MY LAWYER
>>344110040
>Valve invented free market economy
rofl kids grasping at straws so fucking hard over this shit
even though it may not be illegal, Valve has found some incredibly scummy ways to appeal to the same type of people who are vulnerable to gambling abuse.
This video came out just a few months too early, before all this shit broke, but it sums up the entire situation excellently.
https://youtu.be/Q9RjDRLBWio
>>344106871
If a shark jumped out of the ocean and told me people were being too bloodthirsty, I'd probably pay more attention to just what made the shark act so concerned.
>let's sue the Bureau of Engraving and Printing because people are using dollar bills to gamble!
????
>>344110069
All the API does is let the site display what you have in your inventory.
>>344110171
Steam is pure shit and you must be underaged to believe otherwise. Giving access to literally everything you "own" is not a proper solution to "buying" PC games. There is literally no reason to purchase a digital game.
Didn't Blizzard have a marketplace too for Diablo item drops?
Valve enables these sites through their API.
It is only as illegal as a traditional pachislot online game/cash out system would be.
Surely there is precedent for this is the US.
>>344109102
this cs:go /digital items/ digital marketplace drama has everything to do with liberals. this is a reddit spawned witch hunt. valve has been battling scams, fraud, and all sorts of shit because they succeeded in their innovation. so have those new startups that have games, game keys, and game skins on their market places. all the reddit liberal fags are pitchforking saying "omg valve has to stop these underage kids from gambling digital items! wont someone think of the children! they are allowing scammers to profit! omg the government needs to step in!"
liberal retards are obsessed with thinking they can micro manage and govern every single aspect of every ones lives and are terrified of the idea that risks and unforeseen challenges come hand and hand with innovation and market disruption.
leftists are civilization destroyers who would rather live in the stone age than face the "terror" (challenge) of space debris, as an example. that is the mind state of a leftist. they are savages. and you all are pussified faggots who think the government can fix all your problems and society's problems because your mommy raised you to be a "modern" sissy faggot whose only problem is whose feelings you are going to save next.
>>344109698
Because you can't buy used DRM games that have been out of publication for several years.
Because you can't share DRM games with your friends.
Because some DRM won't let you play without phoning home.
Because once Valve eventually gets sold off or shuts down, either you have to agree by the new company's rules or your DRM games become useless.
>>344106979
This, pretty much. It's amazing to see people lay down their lives to defend shitty companies or organizations that truly couldn't give less of a fuck about them.
>>344110275
when crates first came out in tf2 i emailed gabe directly and i told him what he was doing was bringing a roulette wheel to people who would never set foot inside a casino, and it was morally wrong
You know, John Carmack responded to my emails over the years, 7 or 8 times. I've emailed Gaben directly since the nineties, and he has never once responded.
>yfw valve gets sued into oblivion and goes out of business
>>344110275
>clearly points out how its the fault of idiotic consumism mentality on people
>SEE? THEY MAY NOT BE BREAKING THE LAW BUT SERIOUSLY ARENT THEY A SCUM FOR THIS?
>>344110357
shh, don't mention that! Also, don't mention the World of Warcraft market websites, gold farm services, or runescape betting websites either. Those don't exist anymore, dad said so!
>>344110407
>>344107336
But anon, if the parents hold their own kids responsible, they might not be their friends!I'm a teacher and this type of thinking is fucking killing that, too.
I don't get why Valve themselves just doesn't shut down these gambling sites or disable their api on them or whatever, are they that greedy?
>>344110367
Banning online gambling was led by us conservatives.
>>344110407
>>344110407
>a company that earns more than a billion each year
>sued by some literally who without valid legal bases
wow
don't care about kids
just wanna see valve burn
>>344110138
At best, all this lawyer can hope for is some out-of-court settlement.
At worst(and most likely) this will get laughed out of court and those Lawyers will have a black mark on their records for a frivolous lawsuit.
Holding Steam accountable for what other people do with their API is like holding Samsung accountable for a guy who takes revenge porn with his cell phone camera. How the fuck were they supposed to stop it?
>>344110406
>YOU'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEND MONEY ON USELESS GARBAGE
>THIS IS WRONG
>>344110373
I don't care about any of those things whatsoever. Features like the friends/community/workship/market integration etc have improved my experiences in games, whereas the things you listed are simply non factors
>>344110326
Boy, your post sure doesn't reek of teenage fervor. "Steam is pure shit".
Yet you've never known any pc gaming without it, lol. Trust me..things are better now, little one.
>>344110407
>all the anti-consumer stuff Sony, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, etc goes uncontested but people selling in game items on 3rd party sites gets Valve shut down
>>344110407
>>344110138
That literally never happens though. There's not like a tiny virtual thug that comes take your items away when you lose. Each and every item in the system is traded in -no costs involved- by the users.
>>344110407
I will fucking celebrate when Valve dies.
>>344110373
Actually you can share you entire Steam library with someone if you enable Family Sharing(although you can't play games when they're accessing your account), but you're still right on those other points.
>>344110613
Well, yeah. Crates and stuff trigger the reward system in your brain, people who don't realize they have addictive personalities can easily get sucked in. It's morally wrong.
A lot of things businesses do are morally wrong, we as a species should be trying to advance to the point where nothing needs to exploit peoples' weaknesses to profit.
>>344110367
Keep /pol/ in /pol/
You are on /v/. Don't act like a tough guy, it makes you look like a faggot
I doubt Valve will actually get into trouble over this. At most it's a slap on the wrist for not doing anything to prevent this
Now the sites running the gambling? They are fucked if they decide to actually go after them
>>344110534
The same reason you can't just shut down a pirating website. If you take one down, two more will jump in to take their place. Keeping little fucking retards from fucking everything up is already a full-time job in their games. Policing these websites would be a nightmare.
>>344110063
Fresh off the boat, from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You got no reputation here, you got no name, you got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it...
>>344110407
They just made $236 million in the summer sales. As funny as that would be, every little shit who lost money to those sites could band together and they wouldn't even make a dent in Valve's pocketbook. It'll get swept under the rug, if anything comes of it at all.
That being said I hope those streaming/YouTube fucks get reamed up the ass. Especially JoshOG, the faggot.
Wait. How are these sites SCAMMING people? If you bet $100 in items on say, fnatic, and fnatic wins, you collect your winnings, right? How the fuck could they possibly SCAM short of telling a pro team to throw on purpose?
>>344110412
Just because someone's vulnerable by their own choice doesn't mean it's moral to exploit them.
>>344110623
I've been playing PC games since you had to configure jumpers on your HDD. I actually liked PC gaming and wasn't too stupid to patch my own shit. I'm sorry you're mentally disabled and need some fat Jew to do it for you. Piracy is faster and cheaper than buying games. You actually just have to be mentally disabled to spend money on PC games.
>>344110735
Video games in general trigger the reward system in your brain. So do television shows and movies. A fool and his money etc.
>>344110828
Okay Australia shut the fuck up. I'm so tired of being disrespected on this goddamn website. All I wanted to do was post my opinion. MY OPINION. But no, you little bastards think it's "hilarious" to mock those with good opinions. My opinion. while not absolute, is definitely worth the respect to formulate an ACTUAL FUCKING RESPONSE AND NOT JUST A SHORT MEME OF A REPLY. I've been on this site for 4 years: 4 YEARS and I have never felt this wronged. It boils me up that I could spend so much time thinking and putting effort into things while you shits sit around (probably jerking off to Gardevoir or whatever furbait you like) and make fun of the intellectuals of this world. I've bored you? Good for fucking you. Literally no one cares that your little brain is to underdeveloped and rotted to comprehend my idea...MY GREAT GREAT IDEA. I could sit here all day whining, but I won't. I'm NOT a whiner. I'm a realist and an intellectual. I know when to call it quits and to leave the babybrains to themselves. I'm done with this goddamn site and you goddamn immature children. I have lived my life up until this point having to deal with memesters and idiots like you. I know how you work. I know that you all think you're"epik trolls" but you're not. You think you baited me? NAH. I've never taken any bait. This is my 100% real opinion divorced from anger. I'm calm, I'm serene. I LAUGH when people imply I'm intellectually low enough to take bait. I always choose to reply just to spite you. I won. I've always won. Losing is not in my skillset. So you're probably gonna reply "lol epik trolled" or "u mad bro" but once you've done that you've shown me I've won. I've tricked the trickster and conquered memery. I live everyday growing stronger to fight you plebs and low level trolls who are probably 11 (baby, you gotta be 18 to use 4chan). But whatever, I digress. It's just fucking annoying that I'm never taken serious on this site, goddamn.
Valve has zero liability in this. The API thing won't hold up in Court.
You realize how many APIs are out there. To hold a company liable because someone misuses one is terrible precedent and won't hold up in the appellate courts.
>>344106979
There are some hardware companies that genuinely do care.
>>344110793
keep your epic reddit memes on your mothers facebook, liberal faggot. adults are talking here.
None of this means anything, at best a court case would attract the attention of enough people willing to lobby for stricter digital laws
But a court is not going to interfere and make a ruling that will drastically change the video game industry, mainly because judges dont like interfering in things of 'public interest'
This is a matter for the public to deal with, not the courts. And even a straight up loss would not be enough to even dent Valve's income, I dont know why /v/ thinks the court is out for blood on these matters.
>>344110926
>since you had to configure jumpers on your HDD
that wasnt a very long time ago at all dude.
>Piracy is faster and cheaper than buying games.
lol what? I get 15MB/sec from steam servers. I honestly don't really deal with pirating games much anymore because it's so much simpler and easier to buy them.
Gabe won.
What the difference with this and pay2win mobages?Nothing at all.
>>344110407
>>344110926
People like you are why PC gaming isn't taken seriously. You just steal everything and wonder why no good games are coming out. Kill yourself.
>>344110921
How is leaving the option open exploitation? Nobody is forcing them to do anything, they enter the behavior loop themselves.
>>344110069
>doesn't. matter. "steam" doesn't "allow" you to use anything, the API is freely available to use and they aren't required to police it.
I thought that the entire point of the controversy is to assert that they should be required to police it. Why would this be bad?
>>344111050
Unless liberal media catches wind of this and this will become another shitstorm to distract people from Shillary's crimes.
>>344110534
>black mark for frivilous lawsuit
Anon, you have no fucking clue how the law system in the US works.
Here's the thing; the reason lawyers file these suits is because whether or not they go through - these lawyers get a shit ton of money out of it.
Thing is, People need to file these kinds of suits through the lawyers, and to do that, you have to pay a fee. A fee that could be upwards of 2000 dollars depending on lawyer or lawyer team.
Here's good advice; NEVER buy a lawyer you have no connections with (like, say, a friend uses that lawyer or firm) And if you have a family Lawyer, use them exclusively.
>>344110947
A fool and his money walk into the casino. Is the guy a fool when a casino comes to him in a video game? Do you think everyone expected it at first?
There is a moral imperative to profit in ways that don't exploit people. It's not illegal, but it's wrong
btw full disclosure i have *made* money on valve game markets and I say this.
>>344110996
wew
>>344110793
>this retard who gets triggered by people calling liberals faggots and posts his ebin macro images
>>344110920
The idea being that the two owner and vice-president were advertising the CSGO Lotto site while not declaring themselves as literally the owners, pretending to be unaffiliated and only happening to find the sites. Then they made several clickbait videos like how they made $8800 and $16000 off the site, winning repeatedly in "low odd" matches, which is highly suspect because they literally have access to the administrative side of all the match-ups.
>>344110920
That's not what people are complaining about. The main issue is some ecelebs apparently owned a skin gambling site, posted videos of them winning big (through rigged odds, it's their site after all).
Problem is, they never admitted any connection to the site until someone followed the paper trail. They were promoting their own gambling establishment without disclosure and making people think the odds were better than they really were. It's the reason casinos don't allow (or rather, aren't allowed to let) their employees to gamble at their own establishment.
>>344110793
you are the cancer killing /v/
>Say nigger on any board
>"F-Fuck off back to /pol/!
>lol we did it reddit xd
>>344107308
No. What's the lawsuit for? Like $10 million? That's fucking nothing to Valve. They literally don't give a shit any more than Microsoft gave a shit about losing $10k in a lawsuit
>>344111050
RICO implications.
When it comes to online gambling, the US courts have had some dumb ass rulings.
>>344110605
It will be settled(To avoid bad PR for Valve) or it will be laughed out. There's no way the lawsuit can win
>Holding Steam accountable for what other people do with their API is like holding Samsung accountable for a guy who takes revenge porn with his cell phone camera.
The difference is that Valve's provides a service, not a product. If someone is committing a crime inside your car, you can be held accountable for it.
>How the fuck were they supposed to stop it?
By going after it. Valve doesn't care, because we all know they take advantage of the system itself. Crates, keys and the whole steam market are grey areas that are not proper regulated.
>>344110920
Faggot laywer chasing ambulances, nothing more. The "scam" lies in a couple youtuber faggots channeling people to the gambling site they owned and the idea that they could have rigged the results (?) to profit.
It's a bunch of nonsense.
>>344106979
>>344110386
There was a hope based on some quotes by them and their largely good quality games, that while Valve was in business to make money, they also had some degree of concern for making good games and doing right by their customers. Obviously, this turned out to be false.
>>344111165
Steam support. They would just take it away if they had to police it because of a lawsuit.
>>344111165
>Why would this be bad?
Okay, everyone who makes any new technology now has to police any and all uses of this technology.
Why is this bad?
I'm not going to explain it to you, if you can't think it through yourself you aren't intelligent enough to come here.
>>344111181
But he bought the video game and entered the "Casino" of his own free will, buying crates and entering the marketplace in general are entirely optional.
>>344111016
>gets told to stop acting like a sperg
>proceeds to sperg out even more
>has result to "liberal" boogeyman to even try and make a point for his sperging
>literally could give less of a shit about politics, just tired of seeing it shitposted everywhere
>>344106170
They have millions of fanboys that shilled for them daily. Including their shitty business practices like forcing DRM to go mainstream. These shitters even were ready to defend Valve for paid mods. Thankfully the backlash was too large so even some of the biggest cock suckers had to pretend they don't suck Valve's cock that much.
It would be sweet to see Valve go under. If PC gaming has to "die" then so be it.
>>344111207
>>344111197
And people are blaming steam for that?
Those two are scumbags. Rightly so.
>>344109471
So is this exchange of stuffed animals run by the same pachinko parlour?
>>344111190
Why are you so hostile.
Does the thrill of anonymously attacking strangers over the internet get your chode to tickle? Perhaps you should consider paying attention to your overdue bar tab. Oh wait im going to guess you dont leave that crusty old basement you call your home. Perhaps if you took one moment, one day, nay, one passing second to think about your situation in life you would realize that in the end nothing is worth while and that the most you can do to positively impact this world and all other worlds in the known universe is to finally, FINALLY, itch that scratch in the back of your mind. The thought you dare not acknowledge lest you finally man up the cojones, balls for your impoverished foolhardy ass, to FINALLY take that power cord, sticky and grimy with caked on layers of doritos crumbs, sweat, and semen. A frothy, disgusting mixture of bodily waste that so accurately sums up who and what you and your lifestyle represent: Absolute scum. Not one more second should pass where you continue to contribute to the enthropic heat death of known reality. Take that power cable. Take that disgusting mound of semen, rubber, and disgusting food particles. Take it. Take all 8 feet of it from the very wall in which its plugged to the half dismantled box that you use to type this message to me. Take it, and finally, FINALLY, itch that scratch. Tie it as tight as you can around your neck, make sure that one end is securely fastened to the ceiling, and take that final plunge. That final step off your bent and mangled chair, the unfortunate piece of plastic used to carry your morbidly obese welfare person. Take that final step. Take that final step into the halls of darness and obscurity. Do it. Kill yourself. For the good of all mankind you mother fucking piece of shit.
>>344106170
>no name lawyer
>billion dollar corporation
looking for a payout senpai
So what new draconian policies are going to be enforced on Steam for people who aren't retarded now that another round of children have let things be stolen from them and thrown a bitchfit about it?
My bet is mandatory email/phone verification every time you go online.
Valve destroyed gaming with their Counter Strike DUDE LMAO gimmick, broken flash games released on Steam worse than in the 80's crash, their skin kikery,etc.......
>2048
>coming soon on skulljack, Half Life 3
>published by Activision
>>344110920
wrong website. This isn't the cxsgo site where you bet on pro games, this is the "csgo lotto" site.
You essentially send them your virtual skins via a bot for a chance to win the jackpot (aka, what everyone else donated to win the jackpot)
But it was owned by some shady dude who may or may not have been rigging the results of the lottos in favor of him, his friends, and throwaway accounts of his.
>>344110920
do I want to know what's at the place where those legs meet?
Do these lawyers even have the funding to rent one of Gabe's golden toilets for 15 minutes?
>>344110926
>I've been playing PC games since you had to configure jumpers on your HDD
Was this supposed to be comedic? Because if you were serious, this is the saddest attempt at establishing your superiority I've ever seen.
HDDs had configurable jumpers not even 10 years ago.
>>344111243
Let us know when a federal attorney gets involved.
>>344111257
>If someone is committing a crime inside your car, you can be held accountable for it.
No. For the last time, an API cannot be viewed this way. This isn't an argument: precedent exists. It's open and shut
>>344111181
There is no exploitation if the people buy the products of their own free will. This is like insinuating snackfoods are immoral because they prey upon people who want crunchy salty things.
>>344111083
PC gaming died when Steam took over. Casuals and retards installed that shit and it brought the cancerous master race faggots you know and love.
>>344111054
Jumpers have been unnecessary for like nearly 20 years now. You're either in your 40s or full of shit.
>>344111367
Some people are partially blaming Valve because gambling sites need access to a user's Steam inventory to be able to put their items up for the bid, and this is done through Valve's authorization and allowance. Valve must authorize the site to allow users to log-in using their Steam account, and it's up to Valve to maintain vigilance over what sites are using such access.
>>344111276
Promoting a business without disclosing affiliation with it is illegal. Gambling in your own gambling business is immoral. It's every definition of a scam.
>>344111367
It's just the match that finally brought to light the seedy underbelly that drives Valve games these days - the economies are RNG from the very bottom (even when buying crates). This just brought it to people's attention.
>>344106746
Steam Greenlight and their attempt to monetize mods exposed them as being even greedier and eviler than EA and Nintendo combined.
Valve...they are incompetent. They barely can release a half-baked FPS every 6 years
>>344106170
>I want them to do something stupid
>Why don't they do something stupid
amazing fucking article.
>>344111225
No, U.
Many of us want to have actual discussions and we are. Then faggots like you come along and try to bring it to a completely unrelated topic to give your boring as fuck interests meaning because nobody else online or IRL gives a shit.
You dumb roodypoo
>>344111524
>Jumpers have been unnecessary for like nearly 20 years now.
If by 20, you mean about 8.
>>344111508
Well liberal shitholes have already regulated and banned soda and high sugar drinks.
Prove to me that letting children gamble is a bad thing.
Protip: you can't.
Another thing you can't use financial irresponsibility as a reason.
>implying anything will happen to Valve
At most Valve will introduce a policy that bans these kinds of websites, and the people that own them will get reamed hard. Those YouTube guys that started all this shit will probably get fucked the hardest, they're making money in a very grey area and Uncle Sam doesn't like that.
Plus Steam prints money for Valve.
>>344111508
snack foods *are* immoral.
>>344111524
>Jumpers have been unnecessary for like nearly 20 years now
sounds like someone isn't much of a power user. I last configured jumpers on a *new* hard drive in, I think, 2008.
PS: There are people here literally twice as old as you, kiddo.
>Valve has to sale Steam
>mfw Ubisoft buys it up
>>344111545
Sure. Let's take those guys to prison.
But suing valve over that?
>>344111441
Probably a very cute, feminine penis
>>344110920
>How are these sites SCAMMING people?
>If you bet
>bet
>Betting = Illegal.
>Gambling = Not illegal.
>CS:GO Gambling websites in the lawsuit: rigged gambling, which is illegal. Also fraud and false advertisement.
Learn the difference, then kill yourself.
>/v/ is full of moralfags
what went wrong?
>>344111654
Fucking where? I bet alcohol is legal in these places too.
>>344111365
>It would be sweet to see Valve go under
I think I prefer Valve over EA or Microsoft for my digital games
>>344111441
you mean when and were those legs part right?
>>344111698
I'd honestly be ok with that. Ubisoft might actually have it so Steam isn't such a piece of garbage. Don't know how Summer Sales would be, though
>>344111665
Chronic gambling is fundamentally unhealthy. If you want to make those decisions, you have to be an adult. Same reason we limit tobacco to adults.
t. tobacco addict
>>344109869
>petty thief
>relevant opinion
Pick one.
>>344111312
Is what Valve is allowing to happen really "new"? Even if it was though, if they could control it, why wouldn't they want to see it being used responsibly in order to create a better community for their userbase?
>>344111695
>snack foods are immoral
Well chummy your standards for morality and immorality just proved themselves irrational. Good going chum.
>>344111735
>Hey everyone look at me being a faggot: the post
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