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>decades before MG REX
>upright metal gear infinitely more advanced powered by the mind of a magic boy
Can we take a moment to appreciate how fucking retarded this was
>>344100147
>more advanced
>can only be piloted by children and to operate optimally also needs the child pilot to have literal magic powers
>extremely expensive and incapable of being mass produced
>giant stuctural weak points
>depleted uranium Armor (same as Abrams tanks) that's nothing special even in the age this game takes place in
>better than REX
Lmao
Was this your first Metal Gear game?
>Calling something retarded in an universe full to the brim with magical microbots, psychic powers, ghosts and secret secret organizations
Ayy fucking lmao
>>344100147
Kojima doesn't understand chronological order
His games always have more advanced tech the further back they're set
>>344100462
Rex's armor could be defeated by a HEAT round, which the DU armor of the Abrams could shrug off
>>344100462
Also.
>needed a child with psychic powers to actually get it to work.
>>344100147
It's just an expensive toy that can't be piloted by an adult soldier, is extremely costly, can't be mass produced and has armor that was already standard issue for tanks at the time. It's trash really.
>>344100558
Ghosts are real, magic little boys are not
>>344100724
Nonsense. The shagohod was clearly less advanced than the metal gear. Things got ridiculous in peace walker though.
>>344100796
REX was actually viable for mass production, didn't have such glaring structural issues as Sahashit (beyond the radome) and most importantly - could be pilot by an adult without any assistance.
>mfw I found out sexy gasmask girl is male
>mfw I found out sexy gasmask girl(male) is young psycho mantis
KOOOOJIIIIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>344100147
>took almost a decade and the Soviet Union's money to build
>only worked literally because of a magic
No.
>>344101210
Didn't even look like a girl you fucking fag
>>344101210
>>344100462
sounds like a cheap NGE rip-off tbqh
>>344100803
>>344100462
>>344101249
Thats a lie though, it was originally supposed to be a AI controlled robot because that was the onyl way for it to be effective, it was because Skull Face was paranoid and fucking retarded that they ended up putting the cockpit and then came the whole insanity about Mantis that he thought he somehow was in full control of the kid.
This is stated multiple times across multiple tapes, had it been completed and not rushed out of the door because Skull Face is a moron, it really would be the most advanced Metal gear to date
>>344100147
REX was supposed to be affordable so it could be mass produced.
Sahelanthropus was supposed to make the entire fucking planet shit itself.
>>344100796
>Rex's armor could be defeated by a HEAT round
Not really. That was a deliberate flaw on the machine, it took tons of HEAT rounds to be exploited and even then the only thing it did was opening the cockpit.
Meanwhile Sahaelatropus can be defeated by just shooting at the thing.
>>344100147
I have no idea why Kojima felt it was necessary to shoehorn Babby Mantis and Zombie Volgin into it. They might even be stupider than seeing Otacon's parents in Peace Walker.
At least Lil Liquid kind of made sense, even if his relationship being with "Venom" doesn't quite work with prior games.
>>344101210
SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE
>>344101747
>I have no idea why Kojima felt it was necessary to shoehorn Babby Mantis and Zombie Volgin into it
This is funny considering i've seen people complain that there was no Naomi or Gray Fox.
People just want cheap fanservice, but complain when cheap fanservice is delivered.
>>344101701
/thread
I think child Liquid worked and was pretty cool.
Young mantis, now that was forced.
>>344101747
I liked Volgin's inclusion IF ONLY for the fact it was the personification of "So fucking butthurt that he's stayed alive. FUELED BY PURE ANGER." And then just sorta fucks off and he finds out the man he's been chasing wasn't Big Boss.
I hate how Kojima can't make new characters
Everyone has to be connected to someone else
>>344101701
>REX was supposed to be affordable so it could be mass produced.
I don't remember this ever being brought up, and it doesn't make sense either. Why would a nuclear missile launching device be mass-produced? They're not fucking ford motor company, who exactly was going to buy all these metal gears?
>>344100147
Daily reminder that ST-86 Metal Gear never actually worked. It was the equivalent of a kid holding up a toy Buzz Lightyear and pressing the fire buttons on it. It was basically several tons of scrap metal with guns attached. It was a puppet, not a mech, because Hal Emmerich can't do anythingincluding anything wrong :^)
>>344102257
>They're not fucking ford motor company, who exactly was going to buy all these metal gears?
You missed the part where Ocelot leaked the blueprints of Rex and in MGS2 is stated that pretty much all countries have their own version of REX?
>>344102257
The military .
MGS 2 has the navy producing Ray for fucks sake.
>>344102317
>7 tons
More like 70 at least
>>344101896
Gray Fox would have been reasonable enough given he was Big Boss's right hand man. Given the story we got his absence doesn't bother me, though. Big Boss presumably meets him after he fucks off on his motorcycle. But that's the difference: Gray Fox had a fully developed connection to Big Boss, and his inclusion would have been supported by previous games. Preteen Mantis and Volgin just seem out of place and contrived. So does Venom himself.
>>344101707
You're completely wrong in every way.
>>344101568
ruse whatever you want.
The shit didnt suppose to work in that momen.
>>344102625
This entire franchise is built of out of place characters and moments and contrived shit.
Don't know how, after MGS2, people still pretend the story made any sense or that it wasn't absolutely retarded.
>>344102713
What are you talking about? Of course it can't work in that moment when the fucking thing is incomplete
Wasn't ZEKE practically identical to (or better than) REX?
It was even modified to house a human pilot.
>>344102931
On grannin´s desk was both rex and ray.
think about that...
>>344100147
Le illuminati AI controlled the development of technology after the whole B.B. fuckup, dumbass.
>>344102680
How so, dear anon?
>>344103082
Zeke was inferior to REX but not by as much as it should be
>>344102732
Weirdness of Liquid's possession aside, MGS2 followed naturally enough from MGS1--it was just a little subversive in structure and unusually self-aware. Similarly, MG1-MGS1 all seem natural enough despite some glaring reuse of ideas and occasional retcons (MGS3 retcons the possibility of Big Boss being in his fifties at the time of his cloning, for example). Absurdity isn't the same as the kind of self-obsessed referencing of the series from MGS4 (or MGS3, arguably) onward.
>>344101701
Not to mention it was designed by a super overzealous engineer named Emmerich (who also liked robotic legs). What happened when he was exiled? Back to square fucking one with the designs.
>>344103082
Of the top of my head the rail gun wasn't designed to be nuclear equipped. It was faster than rex due to the jet boosters but considering paz tried (and almost succeeded) in sabotaging it by hitting the leg pistons with a wrench make me believe it was a paper tiger. Not to mention the boss AI used in it is just as retarded as the rest of the AI weapons in PW
>>344103224
HEAT rounds are a type of ammo that Stingers don't fire and had nothing to do with the retarded radome.
>>344103082
>they never brought ZEKE back from the bottom of the ocean
why
Everything past mgs3 is literally retarded, Hackjima obviously wants to go back to ZoE style giant robot fights but meme gear solid makes too much money
Did anyone not listen to the tapes? There's a whole tape dedicated to how shit Sahelanthropus really is.
>>344101568
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>>344103419
Excuse for battle gear and tx85 or whatever the outer heaven MG was called to exist.
I genuinely hated the XOF and Skull Face retcon.
Operation Snake Eater felt as a desperate mission by two men trying to save the world and their own throats. Now, the message is "it didn't matter if Jack had failed; Skull Face would have fixed everything", cheapening the entirety of MGS3.
>>344103496
Oh wow, I never actually stopped to make that connection and I wrote all that shit, Kojima was writing from experience then
So we're led to believe that the Pentagon was using nearly unmodified 30-year-old technology when they developed REX, right?
And the TX-55 and MG-D from the MSX games were categorically inferior to their predecessors?
>>344103627
>>344103496
lol.
Sahelanthropus didn't actually work though. Huey was a fraud.
I'm fucking sick of Kojima ruining every game he makes so he can put a 'heh look the real main character is you the player!'
>>344103739
More like budget cuts and and Huey having to fuck off.
>>344103739
the only shit we can asume is that different spheres in the military knew different levels of tech.
Right now Kojiima is taking a huge bong rip and about to think of more ways to fuck with us
>naming a Metal Gear after a fossil that won't be discovered for another 15 years
BRAVO KOJIMA
YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/sahelanthropus-tchadensis-ten-years-after-the-disocvery-2449553/?no-ist
>>344100953
This. This is why I gave up on MGS when I saw peace walker.
>>344104030
>Sombory open a WINDOR...
I remember that interview when kojewma said about not following and knowing jack shit about its own story.
>>344103982
So Granin's design from 1964 was first implemented in 1974 as ZEKE, then again as Sahelanthropus in 1984, before it was accurately realized as REX in 2005?
Lalala
>>344104112
>naming conventions of redonkulous
You've found it. A flaw in the world history tome that is MGS.
>>344104273
Zeke lower part looks like rex without the armor, but there are difference in how the legs work.
I think it was more like they tried to replicate it, but because huey didnt design it, he put his own solutions to everything.
>>344104462
>develop hover craft
>need legs anymore
This is the point when everything went to shit.
>>344104820
>what is landing gear or in this case landing legs
>>344104820
It wouldn't be able to launch a nuke while hovering in mid-air. It needs grounding.
>>344103419
It looks like parts of ZEKE might've been recycled into the ST-84.
>>344101568
Get back in the boat, Huey.
>>344105078
>>344105051
So, a simple set of landing gears and ground anchors are enough.
Miller has such a fucking rough story. Fuck, man. His arc makes me genuinely sad.
Miller...had a hard life.
>>344101568
Uh it's always stated that Huey never got the thing to work correctly? He was even surprised it was standing when you first fight it.
>>344100462
How convenient that Skully just walked into Tretij to set his plan into motion
>>344103082
Thats my favorite design, a giant rail gun with legs, can't get more practical than that.
>>344105287
>nit-picking this hard
looks we are talking god damm MGS games here, shit´s supposed to be functional not make sense
besides it would be a wasted opportunity not to give it legs
>>344100147
I've never played metal gear
that shit is pretty scary stuff
I might have nightmares about that
how to flee if this is real? can I just run?
>>344105609
Well, something more like an giant insect would be more scarry.
I know we are talking about metal gear.
But sometimes is too much.
>>344101568
>had it not been rushed, it would be the most advanced Metal Gear
it's like a metaphor for the game :^)
>>344104545
>>344103612
>>344105202
I was under the impression that the Metal Gears in MG and MG2 were modified walker gears
>>344105429
Miller confirmed best character.
Fuck big boss
>>344105683
Yes
>>344104820
Hover craft? You mean Pupa? Only Chrysalis matter, Chrysalis is cute, CUTE
>>344100147
wasn't it basically explained away in game by saying that it doesn't even work and kid mantis is moving it with his mind?
>>344103614
A cleanup crew makes sense and it also explains why you don't fuck up MGS3 by going in guns blazing
>>344101568
>had it been completed and not rushed out of the door because Kojima is a moron, it really would be the most advanced Metal gear to date
AYYYY
>>344100147
The point of it was that Huey was such a genius he made the most advanced MG in the series, and everyone else has been picking up the pieces and trying to reverse engineer it, like how the REX is modeled after Sahel's alt mode after was irreparably damaged.
Not that it makes any sort of sense.
>>344105934
Imagine something like this.
Speaking of Miller, why was he not told aboutVenom Snake not being Big BossOcelot knew but Miller didn't, why?
>>344105752
its too freaking late to have this argument man
just please consider the fact machines like metal gear in fact a weapon used or would be if not foiled
MGS is more about style than substance, example for a single metal gear you could buy around 200 lunch platforms with stealth capabilities since short range nukes would make more sense
enjoy your mecha legs faggot
>>344106038
Its like im not using armor or nothing at all...
Nothing at all...
>>344105952
No. It actually should work properly with an AI. You know, those AIs so advanced they could literally replicate the boss by that age.
SF just wanted a real pilot.
Even then its still the Metal Gear that endured more damage. You need several armored vehicles and helicopter support to beat him down. The other MGs could be defeated by regular weapons.
>>344105845
Yet, the TX-55 in the first Metal Gear was supposed to be some big threat.
>>344106182
MG2 has Miller in it and he talks about how he hates Big Boss because he betrayed him. Miller being buddy buddy with BB was the start of it.
>can be taken out by a T72
fucking mechcucks
>>344106182
He did, it was in the tapes
Miller fully knew
Ocelot hypnotized himself
Forger the robots, what about this fucking thing.
completely outclasses codec
>>344106208
Well, i am a mechafag.
>>344106361
Care to disagree.
>>344106425
>Having a plastic box instead of microbots.
I thought you were never supposed to take the MGS story seriously. Calm down you autist nobody actually cares about the cheesy MGS story.
at least salalhlahlahleppatrappus made spooky sounds and had a spooky walk
>>344106182
He was told at some point from the conversation at the end of the credits, but who knows when it happened because Ocelot said he would hypnotize himself into forgetting the Medic isn't really Big Boss to make it look as legit as possible. But when Miller finds out he decides to stick with Medic in revenge for BB ditching him iirc.
>>344106607
They are the same sounds as ray, but with some monkey shit in it.
>most advanced superweapon ever made
>no mention of it after the dindus and Liquid steal it
>>344106336
>he talks about how he hates Big Boss because he betrayed him.
He never mentions any betrayal. Miller working with Boss was purely a PW retcon.
>>344106607
The vocaloid robots were the spookiest.
>>344105459
Tretij is a revenge seeking shitkid. That's how he got to the Medic. He was literally flying over the hospital in a plane and then he sensed medics fake will for revenge and was splooshing all over for it. So much he crashed the fucking plane to get closer. Then Skullface showed up and he had an even bigger revenge boner, so tretij went there. And if we're talking about revenge, there's only one villain in the entire series whose entire motivation and reason to live is revenge. That's why he goes to the white mamba.
>>344106336
That never happens in MG2. Miller just says that Snake doesn't stand a chance against Big Boss unarmed because Big Boss was a "monster." The fact Miller is working against Big Boss is enough to suggest they had their differences at some point, but MGSV was unnecessarily soapy about it.
This hack get's praised and showered with awards
Let that sink in.
>>344106632
Miller knew since the accident
>>344106607
>That cutscene in the sandstorm early on where a disembodied giant hand grabs you, and then takes Skull Face away
Shit was so cool, when the game still had that Metal Gear magic
>ITT: no onse listened to the tapes
This is what happen when you put important parts of the story in secondary shit like cassette tapes.
>>344106931
Then it went full retard
>>344106208
fuck i now read this over again, its bed time from the looks of it
>>344106428
tanks CAN be a real threat but lets face it, any metal gear would typically hide out in rough terrain with a few odd exceptions
a tank COULD find it and take it out however if properly guarded for once a metal gear should be able to woop the floor with anything short of a army coming for it
>solid snake
is a god damm stealth operative AND happens to be blessed with incredible luck, for instance during his fight with rex in MGS were stingers fall from the sky all of a sudden
>>344106587
If the story wasn't meant to be taken seriously, then why are there dozens of hours of story dialogue in every game?
>>344103524
its worse...a video game with a clusterfuck as lore.
>>344106973
there was too damn many tapes. Not to mention useless shit like the burger ones.
and yet I liked the game more than MGS2
>>344106973
>expecting /v/ to play games
the ONLY time actual thorough game discussion happens here is if some youtuber comes along and releases videos discussing the shit, which then gets talked about on /v/, all while we make fun of that youtuber for "stealing our theories"
>>344107331
>>344107327
>was on my job with nothing to do
>well, lets listen to all the tapes
>6 hours video with all tapes
>what are you listening to anon?
>some recordings from a conference
>about what?
>a-about robotics... i missed the conference, so im hearing the audio
>oh... ok...
Took me 2 days, but i did it.
>>344100147
>doesn't actually work
>>344100838
Get out of my room /x/
>>344106208
>200 lunch platforms
sounds delicious anon. what are we having?
>>344108552
Sausages, they are a bomb to taste.
>>344102257
The US gob.
>>344107746
dude that's actually pretty smooth
Sahelanthropus actually made more sense than you think.
It didn't work. It didn't function properly, and couldn't even walk. That's why Skullface wanted Psycho Mantis, because he needed a psychokinetic to control Sahelanthropus.
The thing that didn't make sense was the magic rock powers that were never explained even slightly.
MGS is kind of like Star Wars when you think about it.
>>344107746
I made a set of cassette tapes from Peace Walker because I enjoyed them that much.
>>344101568
>>344103496
This is why I can't hate MGSV. This shit is just too obviously a metaphor, and it's great.
>>344109945
Noice.
>>344103524
So just because it's a video game it can't have a coherent plot?
Am I supposed to just ignore it? When you go se a movie and it turn out shit so you just shrug it off? When your gf tells you shes going to her boss' house to play on his ps4 do you shrug it off because it's video games?
>>344105431
Yes, as he never once stopped bitching about how it was incomplete and should not work and after they got it back when they killed Skull Face he said he would now try to complete it, I know those tapes are a dogshit way of explaning what happens in the game and stand as a testament to how much of a fuck up KOjima is, but it says everything there.
What makes me angry is that they went out of their way to actually say how this thing was supposed to work and why it would be the most advance MG ever
>>344104112
We're past the year MGS4 took place. You're not supposed to assume things work/happened the same in the Metal Gear universe.
>>344109945
That's incredibly dope man. Good work.
>>344106973
I never liked how they overblown Zero's role in the story in 4 but that Zero tape at the end is heartbreaking.
Seeing a guy he considered a friend in a deep coma and knowing fully well he won't "live" enough years to see him regain consciousness, fuck man.
>>344111041
>i-i wasnt the bad guy...
>it was that nigger and his computer...
>>344111172
>>344111041
>I wasn't the bad guy
>I just put a incredibly insane system in place and gave power to a bunch of nutjobs in a bout of butthurt because BB didn't want to be my friend anymore after I did a bunch of weird shit with his DNA
>>344111443
Kek.
This so much.
Huey was just THAT good. He did made the AI trio. Them alone where miles better and superior to Otacon's Rex and Merica's Ray.
I wonder how angry she was in the afterlife because every single shit that went wrong in the franchise was because everyone around her interpreted her dream of the people transcending their countries and finding peace without war as making as much war as possible, with nukes, genectic clones, crazy AIs
>>344112223
Wasn't that with the help of Strangelove though? Or did she only work on the Boss AI?
>>344100147
>infinitely more advanced
that's a knee slapper.
>upright metal gear before REX
Yea it does seem like this is out of place, but they do mention that it never worked until psycho, and what are you going to do? create a lackluster not as cool metal gear because that would make more sense? you do know who directed this game right?
>>344100147
Metal Gear only maintained a "feet on the ground" sci-fi tech up until MGS3. Where things made sense, Shagohod, Ray and Rex all had decent explanation and backstory, then after MGS4 Kojima simply stopped giving a fuck and in Peace Walker he went full retard. Shakantropus didn't even surprise me, after what i saw in Peace Walker, i already expected some batshit stuff.
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>>344112813
I would have been cool as fuck if they had used a MG like pic related
Much better than anime tier sahelanthropus
>>344113089
For fuck's sake, big venom boss snake can whip out a little radio and project holograms from it and shit
HE CAN PROJECT HOLOGRAMS IN THE FUCKING 80s
>>344103082
It seems like with each new installment in the metal gear franchise more and more shit got retconned
>>344112813
>Yea it does seem like this is out of place, but they do mention that it never worked until psycho, and what are you going to do? create a lackluster not as cool metal gear because that would make more sense?
He did it with the Shagohod. Like someone already pointed out earlier, it was with Peace Walker that Kojima started losing all sense of restraint.
>>344113158
I would have appreciated more of the smaller gear walkers, like using the battle gear for once. or get this, using the MB R&D shit to make your own metal gear, that would have been the titties. yea maybe it's a far fetched idea but I think it could have been done.
>people actually trying to defend kojima's PLOT actions by arguing for things WITHIN the universe of metal gear
metal gear solid 5 was a colossal failure, but if you're going to play a metal gear game you just need to accept the ludicrous nature of the game you're playing. parasites, magical children and fire man alongside future-tech are fine, but how he used them was where he failed.
Let's be real here.
Every metal gear past 1 was technically better than Rex.
I guarantee if they remade mgs1 Rex would've had more bullshit anime stuff in it like pw and 5 had on their metal gears.
>>344113868
Crazy to think because it's not like Rex was lacking bullshit anime stuff, it was just less...fucking stupid.
>>344113089
Not really, Shagohod was already batshit and the only reason it was built instead of Rex was because everyone said "LEGS?! PSHHH WHY WOULD TANKS NEED THAT" which was the first and last time common sense entered the MGS universe
>>344113440
but shago was "supposed" to be worse than metal gears, aka the tank design, Sahel was supposed to be the best.
>>344106425
Except codec feeds the facetime call into your fucking head.
>>344106425
>outclasses codec
By MGS2 codec seems to work by fucking telepathy, how is that better.
>>344113782
>metal gear solid 5 was a colossal failure
holy hyperbole batman
>>344114012
Oh my god how did I never notice Jehuty back there
>>344101896
Fox and Naomi would've fit in with previous canon since he met them in Africa in the 80s.
>>344112320
Huey made the bodies mostly. Strangelove was the AI specialist.
>>344106038
>mfw getting a boner out of this
For fuck's sakes.
