This is a 2016 MMO that was just released today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAizQKCB1Dw
Looks like shit.
Looks like shit.
>>344083749
They spent most of their time and resources on a gimmicky flying mechanic instead of actually focusing on the playable classes
That skill bad in the OP is literally all the skills that class can learn and the skill animations are bland
whoa...that looks....fucking....terrible.....
>>344083687
It's a generic tab-target MMO, but now you also gotta worry about how high/low you go.
>>344083687
Looks like shit.
Looks like Tera/ Vanquish shit. It's shit.
>>344083983
>24 skills
THAT'S IT?
>>344083983
*skill bar
Only way I'd play it is if I can be a massive jew and sell gold.
>>344084119
Yes. They put no effort whatsoever into the playable classes.
I wish MMOs would be groundbreaking again and actually innovative again.
They all look the same, feel the same, play the same... But the last mmo I played was Star Wars Galaxies so what do I know.
I was hoping Everquest next would break the chain of wow clones but I guess that's not happening. Like are people really that content with shit like this? Does no one try to raise the bar in the mmo scene anymore?
>>344083687
thanks for the reminder
>>344083687
looks and feels like wow
>>344083983
he's flying
those are flight skills
play the game?
>>344083687
Looks like clunky trash.
>>344086193
And there are even less class skills than flight skills
>>344084119
That's like 4 times what you have in WoW
>>344083687
combat looks like bland, combo chaining jap trash
even the flying combat, which i'm assuming is the game's main selling point, looks boring
>you will never play Lineage 2 : Interlude again
>you will never re experience vanilla WoW on the official servers again
>>344083687
Looks EXACTLY like Tera.
>>344086428
Its 2016 anon, comparing this new game and 2016 WoW is like comparing two different turds. There is some differences, but both are literally shit
>>344083687
>Blade and Soul with flying shit
"hey guys, remember when flying killed WoW? Lets make a WoW clone, but based entirely around that."
BRILLIANT
>xp bar doesn't even move a pixel the whole time
oh boy sign me up
>>344083687
Isn't that a Nexon game anyways?
RELEASED TODAY?
HYPE.
>>344083687
>>Another game where flying is just normal movement with a Z axis.
No thanks.
>>344083687
>Weeb bullshit
I bet each zone is its own instance aswell?
>>344090545
weeb mmos are the only good ones.
What does the west have? Brown derivative wow clones.
The east at least has mabinogi, ro, talesweaver and maplestory.
>>344083687
It's sad when a game released in 2016 has worse combat than Blade and Soul and Tera.
This game is dead on arrival.
>>344090828
....WoW, Runescape, Tibia, Age of Conan, Warhammer - You know, the once people gave a shit about.
>>344090828
wow, what a neo /v/ thing to say. good mmos don't exist anymore. however, there was great western mmos at one point. there has never been a great asian mmo at any point. they have always been shit
>>344090940
No one ever gave a shit about Tibia, Age of Conan, or Warhammer.
>>344083687
>MMO's
No. There's no point anymore, I'm too spoiled by singleplayer games.
>>344091054
>wow, what a neo /v/ thing to say.
Oh my fucking God I wish you faggots would just fuck right off. Most of you HURR THEMS NEO VEE WORDS fuckers spout that shit at things that were true before 2011 when you faggots first popped up. You're the symptom of the modern cancer. You're the fucking Neo-/v/. And besides, fuckboy, the conversation is about current MMOs, not past ones.
>>344091149
Still beats any eastern MMORPG. Only that Final Fantasy one is talked about - The rest is just grindfeasts with a community that lives because of relations to eachother and not the game itself.
>>344083687
Another Copy paste korean garbage MMO, into the trah is goes.
>>344091054
Mabinogi has some mechanics that I would like to see catch on but it's true, deep down it's just shit.
>>344086950
It looks and plays worse than Tera.
>>344085861
They try that, and it fails because it's not like WoW. Welcome to the real world champ.
>>344090940
Hahhaa, BROWN af.
>>344083687
Just another generic """""action""""" themed mmo from Korea, nothing to see here.
Speaking of mmos though, I've been playing ESO on ps4. The view distance is shit and the menus are garbage, but it's sort of enjoyable. Is it worth picking up for PC? I've played the beta on PC and enjoyed myself, but how populated is it?
>>344091907
Why is it shit? Besides nexon.
>>344086989
That's a different game actually, I'm not sure if it's coming to the west.
>>344083983
>24 skills is bad
That's about 15 more than any class needs
Since modern MMO developers have proven to be completely incompetent, someone should just remake one of the older MMOs like Ultima or DAOC. There will never be anything new released that is as good as those games, anyway.
>>344092558
Pretty active on PC and there are lots of UI mods to give you all the info you need.
I will try it because im bored
>>344091149
Warhammer was the shit despite being an ugly, clunky mess. Another great game raped by EA before it even had its chance to shine.
>>344094060
its not even worth the download desu
>>344094132
its already finished but the servers seem to be down lol
>>344090847
>dead on arrival
>have to queue to log in on servers
Yeah ok.
>>344095263
And literally nobody will be playing it in a week.
>>344083687
Why does Korea make so many MMOs
>>344095715
because people stop playing their old ones after the first week
>>344095686
>literally
>>344095686
mmos have a lifetime yeah, and then you can comeback when they get an update
most AAA games last like 8-40 hours
for some reason people in this date still expect mmos to be some infinite fun content generator that never stops being enjoyable, specially after playing 20+ mmos already.
You do the quests, reach cap, and if you don't like it uninstall, or stick around for the pvp or whatever, oh boy game wasn't perfect! and it was free! what a tragedy!
People like you make me sick, fucking enjoy life faggot, lots of games are shit but worth checking out. If you're ever going to play an mmo release is usually the best time.
>>344096275
Not him, but I can still play FFXI or RO and never get bored.
They have both been out for upwards of 10 years now.
>>344095715
they're like trendy meth.
a blade and soul knock off?
Wait till Korea makes a souls-like combat, and level design MMO. Im surprised they havent considered it.
>>344096717
Koreans cant into level design or meaningful gameplay decisions
all they know how to make are grind simulators with flashy skill animations
>>344083687
IT'S JUST FUCKING WOW
CAN PEOPLE MAKE A 3D MMO WHICH ISN'T JUST FUCKING WOW
>>344097120
PSO
>>344097120
Nobody would play it
t. MMO Marketing Directors
I was going to say that the image alone looked kinda cool, but then I watched the video.
>>344092669
Came to the west already
Played the private server.
Honestly it was just meh. Grindy as all hell with a nice gimmick.
Just bring back Dragon's Prophet.
Maybe optimize it so that it doesn't run like completely shit. Please.
>PC games
>good
>>344083687
Looks like a retarded version of tera mixed with black desert. I'm mostly a eastern guy for games but west easily has the trophy for MMO games easy.
I am tired of people pretending they want endless amounts of skills. You will ALWAYS gravitate to a singular meta. Doesn't everyone suck GW2's Dick? It had the shittiest and most scarce amount of skills I have ever seen.
>>344097120
Mabinogi, sigh.
are we making a guild or what?
a /vg/ thread perhaps? those require constant maintenance nowadays, it'll probably die within a day, but might get some people interested.
Also fuck the people playing on the founder server, everyone go on Hakain.
How are the waifus?
>>344098514
I have 70+ skills on a warrior in gw2. I can only use 10 in combat, but getting out and swapping is easy enough. Heck, everybody used 8 in Gw1. But I guess a difference of 60something skills is whatever.
>>344083687
Won't hurt downloading it for the waifu features and playing for about an hour. Then unstalling I guess.
>>344096817
This. Koreans are garbage at making good games. The culture over there is completely different.
They don't even make grind simulators. They make daily simulators. You log into the PC Cafe for an hour or two on your way home from work and then you go home. That's the style of play Korean MMOs cater to.
What the fuck does WoW clone even mean anymore. Anything that's a 3d mmorpg with tab targetting is a wow clone?
>>344098514
GW2 sucked ass with skills that were locked to weapons, you were thinking of GW1 where they were coming up with new op builds until the game died.
If done properly, huge skill variety encourages a ton of different playstyles. Granted anymore Devs usually nerf and tune them to death instead of going with an everything is OP approach.
>>344100879
Themepark mostly. If you play a themepark you are usually going to run into the design decisions that WoW mostly perfected.
Bonus points if it has yet another goddamn fantasy setting with 2 factions fighting each other.
I don't understand why people make MMOs.
It's not like I'm going to play 2 MMOs, they're so time intensive.
I've been playing this for a little while today. It's painfully generic. The very coolest thing that the game lets you do is go into capture mode while you're mounted, like jumping from one car into another in a racing game.
But the monster variety is garbage and all your monster skills rely on physical stats so magic characters need to lug around 2 sets of armor at all times. I think 8 of the 12 monsters you can get in the first area are wolves with slightly different color fur.
If you don't care about the awful gameplay you should be playing The Secret World since the story/world is a hundred times more interesting and you get tons of advantages since it's the 4th aniversary. And if you want a monster catching game you're better off playing Dragomon Hunter.
I've never played an MMO but I kinda want to. What's the best one nowadays?
>>344085861
people tried and look at what happened to firefall
>steparu just posts mobile garbage lately
I don't understand how he even stands playing so much of this shit, let alone record, upload, and comment.
And now mu subscription feed is flooded with it. I just wanted to see some obscure MMOs.
>>344101558
Don't bother.
All the good MMOS are long past their prime and only clones, low effort cashgrabs and koreashit is left.
Even then, communities in all of them are antisocial fucks because that's what being pandered to.
>>344101558
WoW or XIV.
>>344101558
Black Desert is a fun single player game pretending to be an mmo. Until you try to gear up and discover it's just literal grinding of mobs.
The Secret World has perfect atmosphere and quests but very very bland combat. Also still runs like ass.
Elder Scrolls is probably the best WoW-Clone atm that doesn't have a monthly fee. Not bad but boring as fuck if you are sick of wow.
GW2 is insanely casual and I loathe it because it has the Guild Wars name. Otherwise pretty polished if boring as fuck after 40 hours or so.
Um.. Trove? A minecraft clone that is fun for a tiny while.
That's all I got.
>>344101764
firewall was glitchy shit, I played it for a while and it wasn't uncommon for quests and shit to just break and leave you stuck
>>344101558
It really depends what you're looking for, as some MMO's can do one thing pretty well
Despite the shitting itself incredibly hard, WOW is still the most popular and is kindof a Jack of All trades, but master of none.Despite the combat being shit, I haven't regretted buying The Secret World during Steam sale
>>344102169
Steparu isn't a single person from quite a while ago, he is still the main dude but he has help.
>>344083687
Are developers ever going to stop making cheap WoW clones?
The MMO genre is in such a fucking rut.
>>344088224
underrated
>>344101558
ESO is probably your best option just because WoW has gone to shit so horribly
There's literally no reason to play MMOs in 2016.
>>344088224
>>344102969
Regardless of the game being shit, this is more pokemon than WoW.
You two are idiots, it's not about flying, it's about collecting pets that are also flying mounts, and also combat pets, and allow for *gasp* riding and flying combat.
It's a gimmick yeah, it's part of the game, a big feature, but that gimmick has nothing to do with fucking WoW. The rest is just generic mmo combat, shoehorning WoW into everything because that's the only mmo you know it's plain ignorant, that's like calling KoF, MK, KI, GG, BB, Injustive, or any other fighting game a Street fighter clone, or any racing game a mario kart clone.
>>344090152
Just played it, it's shit wow.
>>344085861
Raising the bar on MMO's means making a real game and at why bother with an MMO.
>2016
>runescape is still the only fun MMO
8.7k hours and counting
>>344085861
>But the last mmo I played was Star Wars Galaxies so what do I know.
Exactly.
>>344099750
>>344101794
I guess if you were a scalie you'd be set.
>>344104450
Heroes and Generals is decent.
>>344085861
At the very least you could try FFXIV.
You could pretty definitively say that you hate modern MMOs if you disliked it.
It's effectively a polished turdthat I'm still subbed to for reasons unknown to me.
>nexon
>>344091515
get triggered, neo /v/ babby
>>344084052
Vanquish was a great shooter, not an MMO. Were you thinking of Vindictus?
>>344104704
Guess I'm giving it a shot, then.
>>344083687
if tera and black desert have taught me anything is that action MMO's are actually the most exhausting shit to play because you cant even mindless grind since all these games force you to keep paying attention to dodging or combos or some shit.
>>344084187
you obviously don't have what it takes or you'd already know that every fucking mmo has rmt
even in the most obscure free to play mmo you can dig up, someone is selling currency
>>344105179
They're still doing RMT on private servers of dead games with less than 1k pop.
I want to get into Black Desert but this game just runs like complete fucking shit and looks awful with the settings turned down
Is Skyforge any good?
>>344105116
You mean 20k right?
>>344105529
>Is Skyforge any good?
It's by Russians.
>>344104450
I was thinking about getting back into it, its been at least 2-3 years and I feel lost desu
>>344101764
firefall died from Dev mismanagement.
You know they just up and one day decided that the game they designed around being a pvp arena shooter would no longer have PVP?
They had fired the pvp balance dev 4 months before, and couldn't take the constant bitching for them to actually put some effort into patching PVP.
So four months after they completely overhauled pvp and then didn't update it at all, they just turned it off.
>>344105873
Then they banned all of the active community leaders who hosted community run events and things.
I came back to firefall a year after they killed pvp, and everyone i had known was banned for complaining too much.
This wasn't some ragtag group of shitters either. It was the actual official IRC channel. All banned.
Also the most profilic modder who had published over 40 mods got banned for no apparent reason.
>>344105529
It's like the original PSO, only you have to grind Caves 1 for 12 hours because it's the only map offering the red crystals you need to move towards that class you want to unlock. Each run gives you maybe 13 and it takes several thousand to reach your goal.
>>344083687
I played it.
It's decent.
>>344107450
What makes it decent?
>>344083687
this air juggle bullshit is really getting tiresome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GP56tVEKY
>tfw DQX is saving MMOs but won't come to the west
ITS NOT FAIR
>>344104921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLCWCPyxByg
Polished turd it might be but as long as it has this thing I'll keep playing.
>>344107650
Every class I've tried so far has cool spells, lots of interactions between skills, complex rotations and charge spells.
Taming shit is the main draw, think of World Of Warcrafts pet taming but you can use them as mounts or combat pets to tank for you.
Only real problem is that it looks like they're following the blade and soul/Tera system of having almost no end game content and just slowly bringing it over from the korean version.
>>344108012
Dragons Dogma Online and PSO are like that too. Not amazing but different enough to make money and be fun.
Japs hate money though.
>>344104921
FFXIV is what modern MMOs actually aren't, it's WoW 2.0. Stay silent if you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>344108201
i think blade and soul is almost caught up with korea actually they been releasing stuff for it at a pretty fast rate
>>344108239
PSO2 has english patches at least
>>344083687
>MMO
I am not 16 anymore. I don't have time to waste my time with farming shit
>>344108239
Japan hates gaijin much more than they love money.
>>344108201
Is the movement and controls responsive/snappy?
This is a dealbreaker for me.
Fucking hated the controls in Witcher 3
>>344108012
Looks boring. And the music is complete trash. Annoying sound effects too.
>>344108315
Nerd
>>344108012
>that good
Are you kidding me? You can kite the boss easy as fuck and in the beginning the AI looked terrible when the boss was walking on a guy standing against the wall and doing nothing
Well I been playing since the servers opened today.
It's not as bad as people are implying who probably haven't played it and are just judging form the videos, and their only mmo experience is WoW/FFXIV/GW2/BnS and expect every korean/chink grindfests to be on their level and free and have no microtransactions and survive on unicorn farts and the laughter of children.
The game has a cash shop, whopee fucking doo, who would have thought, and a vip service, woa dem jews want money? no shieeet. The main appeal of the game is collecting pets, right now there's 90 tameable pets according to the bestiary, more pets are avaiable via *gasp* cash shop I guess but they're subpar to the best tameable crap.
The only real problem for people who actually know their shit about f2p mmos, is they released some fucking old as fuck version of the game, the cap is only 25, there's only like 4 fucking zones and one main city? and only 5 classes. I'm not sure how more many features we are missing, probably GvG isn't here yet, there's no pedo class or archer class, from closed beta to EA/OB they nerfed mages apparently, for who knows what reason (forum complains or whatever).
I have yet to experience dungeons, but I've seen videos and they seem quite challenging on the hardest difficulty. Also people think the "action combat mode" means this game is Tera or something, it's not, it's literally just standard combat with the camera tied to your mousse movement (it's ass don't use it).
I don't think there's any other non instanced mmo coming to the west until revelation online, so this could be enough for anyone tired of BnS/ToS/Tera/RO or whatever your f2p mmo is right now. If this is not enough only options I'd consider are gook games like Moonlight blade, Monster Hunter Online, or Dragon's Dogma Online.
I hope someone makes a guild as well.
https://youtu.be/XA7SZd4Dl6w?t=31m40s
This shitty action rpg had future with its Compensated PVP, iframes, superarmor and superarmor break values.
But the shitty developers decided to focus entirely in PVE content.
>>344108802
Fuck it, I got nothing else to do. What server are you on famalam, I'll sign up right now.
>>344104921
No you fucking retard.
Just because your flavor of the list MMO has cat grills doesn't make it innovative you weeb.
>>344109041
But modern MMOs aren't innovative anon. Are you having problems?
FFXIV literally best MMO since 2014.
You can all kill yourselfs now.
>>344108012
I've preferred FFXI because it had an interface like this too. I like the slower pace and feel like it works better for MMOs. Too bad I can't read Chapanese.
>>344105873
but the game was never meant to be pvp focused, it was pve open world from scratch. They fucked up when they decided the game would have power creep.
Back in the day you had a skill tree that would unlock the ability to use new items per frame and would allow you to unlock new frames.
Back in the day secondary weapons were as powerful as primary weapons, so a medic didn't have to worry that his main weapon was healing only.
Back in the day you could headshot ANY creature on the open world so highly skilled players were rewarded.
No such thing anymore.
>>344109247
>shit combat
>exploration is punished by invisible walls
>main quest is just teleporting back and forth between 3 cities
Nah.
>>344083687
Hmmm.. I could have sworn this game was being sold during the Steam sale.
I feel bad for the faggots who actually paid to get into the early access, only to find out that it was being released for free a few days later.
>>344108981
Hakain, or however it's spelled
It's the first one iirc
Ballan or whatever is the founder server, so most people there are 1 week ahead of the rest.
>>344109552
You're just bad. Git gud or fuck off.
>>344108748
>>344108597
t. wowkiddies who never played a real mmo before
>>344108802
>>344108981
yeah, you convinced me. d/ling now. What server do we play on?
You know how to tell it's from 2016?
Obligatory blink and hook abilities
Fuck I'm sick of this meme
>>344108802
Moonlight Blade is tab-targeting shit, nothing really special about it. Tries to be BnS with all that free-running.
RevO is pretty much exactly the same thing plus wings and targeting/combat closer to BnS (if you pick a certain control type, that is).
MHO is MH with even more fucking grind. Playable, I guess, if that's all you're going to play.
DDO is DD but O. Yeah.
Meh, only picking it up right now because some people in this thread are willing to go in and play, and I've been wanting to play with some bros.
>>344083687
>>344083687
Why does every skill need to be matrix shit? I just want to be an adventurer, not anime
>>344083687
Whats with Korea and their mmos?
>>344109719
Nice try, but I shit all over WoW at every opportunity. It's trash. And this also looks like trash.
>>344109901
>tfw all the relatively down to earth MMO's either die out or are complete garbage
>>344101764
Firefall was objectively one of the best MMOs out there early on
It died however because of mismanagement, not because the fundamental design was flawed. The retard head decided it should be PvP focused and threw in a cash shop because he ran the thing in to the ground.
Pretty sure he was arrested for stealing funds as well.
>>344105174
>because you cant even mindless grind since all these games force you to keep paying attention to dodging or combos or some shit
This is why I liked everquest. Simple mechanics where you could play with one hand.
>>344083687
>Mix Blade & Soul combat with Dragon's Prophet dragon riding and taming ability.
>Make it into a game cause that's what the people want.
Smells like curry shatted diarrhea already.
>>344110060
they die because most of them look and play like a literal turd
>no archer
shit
>>344085861
>I wish MMOs would be groundbreaking again and actually innovative again.
They will be, once fiber/google fiber is global
The only thing stopping MMOs from progressing at the moment is the fact that the global internet infrastructure is so slow it cant sustain real action combat, which means all gameplay must revolve around the tab target system. From WoW to Tera they all use some variation of tab target because thats all that servers can handle. That or they are instances like Vindictus which are not actually MMOs.
So give it 100 to 200 years, MMOs will come back bigger and better.
>>344084119
>>344083983
24 skills is more than enough if they are all diverse, unique and feasible to play.
>>344094079
I will forever be mad that they released it half baked
>>344110404
>diverse, unique and feasible to play.
Too bad they're not
>>344110185
>I paid for the early pack thing for this
>MMOs
>Good
>>344110093
The thing that killed the game was
>themepark
The game was from the ground designed to revolve around sandbox features. Themepark killed a lot of things you could do.
>redesigns
they spent so much redoing things that new areas and content were never added.
What does themepark mmo mean
If anyone is down to play I'm a level 9 warrior on Hak or w/e server (the first one) Ign: Universe, hmu so far my shit pc can handle this with a bit ff fps stutter and the game seems /ok/
>>344110942
Filled with setpieces and shit the players are meant to see. Think off the old republic, narrow halls everywhere and everyone is expected to follow the main story narration of their class. On the other hand sandbox mmo kicks your ass out the door and tells you to find your own fun.
I would kill for a good MMO.
I missed the golden age of WoW cause I had a shit computer, now all MMOs are fucking soulless garbage.
>>344110942
A themepark MMO holds your hand from start to finish, games like FFXIV and WoW are themeparks. Everyone follows a near identical path set down by the developer.
A sandbox gives you the tools to play, then drops you head first into the world, like EvE.
>>344093081 Amen brother. Those were my introductory MMOS.
>>344108802
>MMO
hm
>Korean MMO
pass
It still fucking hurts, /v/
>>344108802
>The game has a cash shop,
Dropped
Its going to be P2W
>>344093081
>You don't like my game, how about you just make your own MMO if you can do better then... so ez. I thought so!!!
>there will never be a FFXI-2
It hurts
>>344111656
Its too late at night for you to be breaking my heart, guy.
Someone else who played WoW help me out, at :22 in OP's vid he dismounts, the sound is almost exactly the same as a failure to cast sound in WoW.
>>344083687
Why is there so little bloom ?
We need more bloom.
Okay, I just created a char on Hakain.
Wizard named Liza. Invite me to play this stupid shit.
>>344111656
I fully expected this to be City of Heroes/Villains.. but then it suprised me more good looking innovative MMO's where shut down before even going F2P.
I share your pain however, this game looks good.
>Wildstar comes out
>/v/'s dream MMO
>it dies in a week
/v/ has no idea what they actually want from an MMO. Good thing Blizzard knows for them, enjoy resubbing for Legion faggots.
C U R R E N T Y E A R
I think I'm literally the only one on /v/ who's ever played pic related
This game was actually really fucking good for a F2P game before the company went full jew
>>344111682
>you wouldn't fuck a loli because she is goign to become a slut ridden with std's in the future
ok anon, I'll be here fugging a loli until she becomes a slut ridden with std's
>>344111937
I would suck dick for a single player game set in FFXI's world.
>>344112318
Same thing happened with Black Desert and Tree of Savior on this board
>>344111937
>>344112402
Daily shill post
http://nasomi.com/
>>344083687
Every time I see a screenshot like this, it makes me thankful for XIV's god tier UI.
>that doesn't look too ba-
>Nexon
nevermind
>>344105765
just do it faggot
play osrs if you just want that stuff, thats what i play when i want my RS fix
i cant be bothered learning the new stuff.
>did hunter because i never tried that back when i originally played
>its cool because you dont have to run to bank or anything because chins
>when i take a break from chins i go fish at cammy
comfy as fuck bro, though i play hearthstone in the background because the two games together breakup their respective monotony
>>344111985
its just a generic soundbyte
in all seriousness how the fuck has there not been a great MMO in the past decade
Hey guys.
>>344113418
WoW was too successful.
Having a couple thousand subscribers was no longer enough, even if it would be profitable.
does someone know what's the deal with "combo skills"?
I got a combo skill as a priest, holy punishment, I use it and it doesn't combo or anything, I've used it maybe 20 or more times, and once it actually allowed me to cast it again, but I don't remember doing anything special for it to actually allow me to use it a second time.
>>344112958
>i graduated highschool a decade ago
JUST
FUCKING
FUCK
MAIL TIME
>>344112890
No, this actually does look bad, and Nexon isn't the issue unless they're publ-
> http://icarus.nexon.net/
Nevermind.
wait so is the level cap really 25?
im fucking level 10 already
> Korean
I'm not a racist, but Koreans have never made good games, and while I am open to the idea of Koreans making good games, those slanty eyed gook bastards will never make a good MMO.
>>344112569
I've never played ffxi, can I solo most of the content or am I gonna need to group up?
F2P and Korean?
Why do MMO always have a clusterfuck UI
>>344114508
group is practically required
>>344114508
You are basically forced to group after level 14 or so.
The only class that can solo is Beastmaster and that requires you to reach level 30 to unlock.
You could probably solo to level 30 but it would be painful.
>>344114743
Well hopefully this shit is populated cuz I'm downloading anyway. I've been playing the shit out of FFXIV and I want to see why all the FFXI players shit on it so hard first hand.
>>344114829
FOR YOU
>>344114829
I've played both, FFXIV is a superior mmo in my opinion.
FFXI has amazing atmosphere though and superior catgirls.
>>344112318
>>344112509
Wildstar was shit.
Black Desert is okay but has basically nothing to do. It's barely a sandbox.
ToS is pure, distilled garbage. It promises you RO and gives you just another typical WoW themepark with no content.
>>344083983
The actual problem is they didn't go all in with the dragon flying.
>>344083687
>It's a MMORPG tries to be a skill based combat RPG #149
>>344101764
>>344102353
>>344110093
I will never stop being angry about Firefall.
After every star has burned out, there will be nothing left in the dark abyss of the universe but my rage; steadily seething until it finally goes critical and creates a second big bang, birthing a new universe where Red 5 aren't incompetent fucks and actually develop the game properly.
There's this https://www.change.org/p/crixa-labs-make-ember-a-spiritual-successor-to-firefall
But I doubt it'll go anywhere.
I wish they'd just revert it to pre-release patch and start over, for christs' sake.
>>344115680
It's what happens when you have people that don't like MMOs scream about what MMOs should be.
>>344116025
what happend to firefall?
>>344092457
WoW is far from brown, dude.
>>344116416
Imagine if there was a game made by a studio with people at the top who have all these grand ideas but no ability to setup, organize, or manage any of it. That's the summary of what happened with Firefall.
>>344116416
It went from being full sandbox to full theme park, however that wasn't it's only problem
>>344116416
Game was a skill based sandbox shooter that focused on exploration, story without weapon or equipment tiers.
Got redesigned 5, yes FIVE times, and now it's a themepark mmo with low skill-ceiling locked frames behind paywall, and it's going to be ported to the PS4. Also it hasn't received a content patch in almost 6 months I think.
>>344116798
>it's going to be ported to the PS4
I strongly doubt that gets completed.
>>344117028
That's because with red5 on it nothing EVER gets completed.
Fucking GOD I still have a poster of this fucking thing.
>>344116416
Went from being one of the most promising and fun games of all time, to the most utterly broken and unplayabley awful pieces of shit ever conceived.
Never has the development of a game, particular one so well funded, gone so catastrophically wrong in the history of video-gaming.
It's like that Full Metal Alchemist episode with the child and her dog, except 10 times as bad.
>>344116664
>>344116718
>>344116798
>>344117263
man that sucks, I use to play when it first came out and was thinking about getting back into it, rip my Rhino.
Graphically this game looks fine I don't see what the problem.
Actually I do. You guys are god damned spoiled graphics whores.
You probably can't even enjoy a game of Smash Bros Melee because "muh graphics wahh"
>>344083687
What are you people smoking!!!
Graphically the game looks fine
Shit gameplay though.
>>344115331
>superior
>dropping classes
Choose.
>>344116201
Fucking this.
It's the same shit as saying that the Final Fantasy games needed to get away from Turn Based combat because they were too boring.
I just want a game where I can make some friends and do some mildly interesting grouped content.
Is that really so much to ask?
Skyforge would've been perfect if not for that dreadful progression / monetization system.
>>344115372
>themepark
and RO didnt have quests either
>>344083687
Ugh, why does every game look like this these days? Hasn't anyone ever heard of an art style?
Might as well try it, though.
Anyone played Dofus? Is it any good? Once this game inevitably sucks I might try that.
>>344083687
>that literal demon hunter
>WoW as fuck sound effects
redpill me on it being more than a Legion rip off
>>344110234
I'm betting ~30 years but by that point we'll all be in virtual reality sucking our waifu's dick while her mom-daughter hybrid sucks ours.
>>344097120
>CAN PEOPLE MAKE A 3D MMO WHICH ISN'T JUST FUCKING WOW
sure.
>Korean
Dropped
>>344119172
What game?
The combat is nice and all, but it still doesn't matter if it's a themepark and I can solo the entire game.
>>344110234
I think tab targeting is fine as long as you do it right
and I think WoW is the only MMO that did it right (as long as you have decent ping), everything else I've played just feels unresponsive, movement feels awful or clunky too.
>>344119589
The combat should tell you everything you need to know about the rest of the game.
>>344119172
And you'll have to do that 14 more times because that's the quest the NPC gave you in the town. Who cares how flashy the combat is, that's not actual substance.
>>344119792
It really doesn't
I liked TERA and BnS combat but hated everything else about those games.
>>344119941
>I liked TERA and BnS combat but hated everything else about those games.
Exactly.
>>344083687
holy fuck they didn't even try to hide that the animation for the mount is identical to WoW
>>344086950
Sadly , it doesnt play like it at all
>>344120019
tell me the game name im bored idc.
>>344120146
they also have a launcher like wow
and a sub like wow
and it's for PC like wow
and it has a sky like wow
you press a button and the character uses a skill like wow
you move with WASD like wow
I'm going to sue their ass for intelectual property theft
You can be a cute nazi shota with a rainbow unicorn though
You can also make a trap if you're into that.
>>344120965
too bad the gameplay is garbage.
>>344121008
how do you know
>>344095715
They really get off on optimization, min/maxing and racing to do these things on top of, and maybe more important than, exploring the new worlds
They're also more sociable about gaming, with cafes, communities, championships, but you already knew that
>>344096275
Pretty much this, people race to complete content, usually with friends, then leave until the next update
>>344121149
i played it.
>>344101558
Planetside 2.
>>344085861
>you will never group up and go to Dathomir to hunt force witches and rancors.
>you will never spend countless hours in your house decorating it the way you want it.
>you will never be in a Star Wars Cantina again and relax with dancers and musicians and feel so good just relaxing and watching the beautiful dance in front of you.
>You are more then a decade older since you played SWG.
>You will never experience the joys of SWG ever again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur86Ba6301E
>>344122036
>Those Twi'lek
For anyone who don't know this game belong to Nexon. For anyone who know Maplestory should already see how much of a red flag this is.
>>344083687
Why the fuck would we ever possibly need another wow clone?
>Korean
aaaaand it's trashed
>>344122645
>Maplestory
Now I have an urge to play on GMS' shitty Reboot server, only to log off after 15 minutes and uninstall it again.
>>344119172
The only thing I'm getting from this video is the fact that it's yet another singleplayer non-MMO.
>>344119172
game?
>>344083687
How do Koreans keep making so many MMOs? Aren't MMOs costly just from the scale? Not to mention most are F2P. Isn't the market over saturated with the same grindy boring games enough for the consumers to notice that these are all the same grindy boring games? I honestly don't understand how the market works there
>>344123436
I could explain, but do you really care? I don't know why I would waste time explaining if you don't really care, show me you care and I'll explain.
>>344123436
They're actually pretty consistently profitable. You get a few Korean whales and you're set for life.
>>344085861
I don't even care if they're groundbreaking, I just want a game that isn't an overblown, sterile themepark that's more focused on giving a gimped singleplayer experience rather than an immersive virtual world that focuses on player interaction and relationships.
>>344123179
Fuck you now I do too.
>>344119172
>>344119589
>>344119792
>>344119941
>>344120019
>>344120332
>>344123312
>>344123336
Just give us the name of the fucking game so we can torture ourselves.
>>344119172
That looks like a pain to play for an MMO.
>>344124136
panties online
>>344124207
Reminds me of Dragon Nest only enemies don't get weighted down or more super armor the longer your combo lasts.
>>344124252
>panties online
you lied.
>>344114508
>>344114743
>>344114829
The game was updated to level 99 and all the old content is easy.
There's this whole "trust NPC" system and that is the new leveling thing. Finding people to party with is pre-2012~ish.
You can experience a lot of the story solo, yes.The game feels very ancient now and I don't really recommend it anymore despite the updates
>>344123672
It's genuinely perplexing, is it in Korean culture to be masochists or something
>>344123679
do you know how much it costs to make a Korean MMO?
>>344083687
>korean
Is there a single korean mmo that didn't turn into a cash shop locked piece of shit?
>>344123672
not the other guy but explain it! Im interested!
>>344122036
im getting too old for this shit
>yfw no new capeshit MMOs with amazing customization
CO plays like thrash and DCUO is borderline P2W chink trash.
>>344083687
Somehow I find even WoW's combat more appealing than this "juggle your opponent until it dies" shit.
That's your generic korean MMO for you.
>>344124671
>>344125046
Up until 2/3 years ago there was this crazy mmo race to saturate the market with competitive pay2win games. People get crazy about them over there and play them at netcade, they no lifed and/or waste thousands of their gook dollars just to be in the top 10 of their pay2win mmos. They released new servers for stupid games every month, leaving older servers to die. And every month or so 3 new titles come out, considering the huge numbers certain mmos have pulled like MS/WoW/Lineage/BnS investors are crazy about getting on the mmo train that literally prints them money, and gooks just love eating that shit like it's cocaine.
Devs just followed the market demands, people wanted shit games where they could shine for a week or so, and they got a tons of those milking white whales who would waste up to 20k usd on a single character. Then you have the big budget projects, with hot half naked ladies, those sell well too, but take much more effort and investment, the trick is to get as much eye candy as possible, bring in a huge playerbase, enough cosmetics, and moderate pay2win elements, and then when your game is doing great just sell it to someone else. If you don't sell it just keep milking your current playerbase, and slowly increase the pay2win elements, kinda like a frog who gets boiled in water without him noticing.
But lately that changed, the mobile market became the standard, no one gives a fuck about no lifing and grinding to be top dog on their server, koreans just want to chill, do daily/weekly quest crap and forget about the game in 45 minutes or less so they can play more cheap games or masturbate.
So you still have this "big budget" mmos coming out, they're mostly the remnants of an era where mmos made billions each gear by milking neets, white whales and housewives, they're stopping bringing mmos to the west again, they just sell the clients when their game is in risk of dying and need more investor funding.
>>344125442
yeah feels bad, being a dickass villain in DCUO was pretty fucking great, throwing cars at max level heroes and then running away, good times
>>344124846
Maplestory Reboot.
>>344123679
They can't possibly pay for all the MMOs. Or do they just drop a game for another one as they come along?
>>344125442
Fuck anon stop remind me of the friends I lost. I never got to finish my Main Hero's Incarnate story arc.
>>344122036
I wish I could have played back then. Those were the sexiest Twi'leks and it saddens me that I will never bury my face between those legs.
>>344127895
KMMOs are treated as the disposable garbage they are. They're meant to have short lifespans.
>>344112318
>/v/ wanted all endgame to be locked behind speedruns for raiding and BiS gear
No, only autists like speed runs. RNG based speed runs being the basis for endgame content was fucking retarded, and not asked for by anyone.
>f2p
>nexon
>>344126124
Could have just said "things are fucked". We'd understand. Be laconic, anon.
Ultima Online 2000 era recreated EXACTLY, but with a modern look... something like Divinity Original Sin
Would it be succesful?
>>344130013
No. MMOs live or die on their userbases. There's no open niche for it.
Can we talk about how EVE online is the only populated MMO that breaks the mold in any significant way?
>captureable and controllable real-time server real estate
>GM enforced player written contracts
>permadeath
>THOUSAND PERSON WEEKLONG BATTLES IN WHICH THOUSANDS OF REAL DOLLARS ARE WON AND LOST
>corporations that get big enough and productive enough to pay its members subscriptions and turn a profit in real life
>corporate espionage between players that results in server-wide changes in zones and factions
>player controlled fugitive hunting system
>one of the most graphically beautiful MMOs
>in depth character customization
>complicated, monopolizable economy
>ESO is probably the only MMO worth trying these days
Man what a fucked up time it is to be a MMO player.
>>344130735
You forgot one
>Completely fucking boring
>>344102316
Secret World breaks my heart it has so much potential
>>344132183
So much potential as just about anything but an MMO.
>>344130735
right but i wish there was a dogfighting game within the game
>>344130190
There is no reason a niche MMO couldn't exist. Developers are just greedy and want those WoW numbers so they never develop games designed to support a smaller playerbase.
>>344118838
yeh but ro had different maps you could grind at.you could pick your favorite spots and tailor your equipment for grinding at x.
tos has 2 streamlined paths which are basically the same and half the classes are broken
>>344132483
MMOs are by definition massive. It's not a style of game that supports a smaller playerbase.
>>344132608
Massive is a loose term. 1000 simultaneous players could be considered massive compared to a standard 2-4 player game. But 1000 players is nothing compared to a game like WoW.
>>344132608
I think by smaller he meant like 20-30 thousand players, not like 500.
Hell, Planetside 2 is profitable and that game only peaks at like 3500 active players. B&S is still printing money for NC and that has like 10K.
>>344086802
L2 was grindy as fck but i remember all the awesome raids with 20+ people
>>344132318
It feels so reminiscent of Vampire Bloodlines Masquerade. If only the combat wasn't ass...
>>344110234
>TERA uses tab target
You fucking what?
Why are Koreans so much obsessed with MMOs?
>>344132861
>But 1000 players is nothing compared to a game like WoW.
WoW servers can only really hold a thousand or two at best - it wouldn't be much different so long as those thousand players were all active.
I've played games with 100-player servers that felt more active than modern WoW, just because those 100 people were all traveling around and doing shit. It was a big ass world, too.
>>344133417
WoW uses server farms. One server isn't literally one physical server machine, it's an entire group of servers, possibly hundreds all running that one game world.
And WoW feels empty because it's stupidly big. I haven't played it in ages, but last time I played I remember "fast" travel in the game could take up to 30 minutes due to the sheer size of the world.
You could fit 100,000 people in a world this big and it still wouldn't feel full.
>>344085861
there literally isn't a way to innovate
>>344134031
just come up with a catchy idea and some hot girls and kick start your dream MMO
>playing a korean mmo ever
>>344112318
I wanted to love Wildstar but the game is UGLY AS FUCK. The art style is cool, but the graphics are so fucking low end it hurts. It's like playing a Xbox 360 mmo or some shit.
>MMO
>>344097995
No I mean B&S with flying is not the game in that screenshot. There is another MMO which rips the game and just gives wings to the characters being made.
>>344083687
dem assasin combos look sleek
>>344108315
are you fucking stupid everyone is emulating wow
>>344120215
>Sadly
kys
>>344135138
Korean MMOs would be top tier if they didn't always have such a hard on for microtransactions and huge amounts of grinding
>>344136789
I'm not :^)
>>344110234
>internet infrastructure is so slow it cant sustain real action combat
You know MAG was supporting 256 concurrent players six years ago correct? It's got nothing to do with infrastructure, it's just that for the general audience MMO = WoW. They may be tired of WoW, but they just want a different skin for it.
>>344123436
You just don't understand how profitable cash shops are, there is a reason freemium is the gameplan these days.
If Nexon just fucking exploded.
And I mean it literally -- everything associated with them: their servers, their employees, their buildings, their assets, everything just fucking exploded
Would MMOs recover? Fucking everything looks like it'll be alright until I see
>Nexon
>>344130735
Why the fuck would I want to play a spreadsheeet stimatulr
>>344135138
shut up faggot lineage 2 was the shit
>>344137540
Of course not, Nexon isn't the only korean mmo company. Are you retarded?
>>344137540
>implying xlegend isn't worse
>>344083687
How's the actual flying gameplay?
I'm a colossal faggot for dragons. If that part is decent the rest of the game can be mediocre shit and I'd still get some enjoyment out of it.
>>344137645
Only good thing in l2 was dark elves.
tbqh I'm getting fucking tired of everything MMO today. The WoW UI, third person perspective, generic world with generic trash, etc. Yeah it seems more actiony based but so was TERA.
it's not even a "MUH COMMUNITY" thing like most people argue about when talking about the death of MMOs, just that they all seem to play and look the same now.
>>344137952
I wish I could tell you, but I could barely get past level 5
>>344085861
the real question is why are you wasting time with MMOs? It was never goid and never will be.
Play a real RPG instead.
![160503_ms_icarus_founderspack_crosspromo_540x304[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ukoT9xj.jpg "160503 ms icarus founderspack crosspromo 540x304[1]")
>>344137540
Nah people are just stupid and treat Nexon like it's one goofy greedy man ruining gaming as if it was Trump.
Everyone hates every f2p mmo companny, Aeria, gpotato, tencen, Nexon, Ankama, Perfect World, Turbine etc. When the only ones to blame are the consumers, all this compannies have the same patterns, because consumers support them, and they go crying how jewy they are, when they won't support the game and just want everything handed out for free while keeping AAA graphics, stable server, infinite content generators, lolis, sandbox, infinite quests, infinite free cosmetics.
Shit games keep being released and being buried since that's what the market wants, hardcore neets aren't the goal market of devs, people with loads of cash and little time that will drop the game and still spend money for something stupid is what makes them money, and they need to keep releasing more and more eyecandy to catch people like flies.
Nexon isn't a disease, it's a symptom, the symptom will keep repeating itself while the market maintains their demand for low budget products with pretty boxes and no content.
A perfect example is this stupid founder packs, peoplego crazy about them, even if the game is f2p, they'll go as far as spending $50-$150 just to be ahead of the peasants and get some shiny mounts, people love this crap and buy it, as long as they keep buying it why would any company stop selling them?
Im still playing Lineage 2 today. Mostly Interlude low rates. There is no better MMO out there better than L2 and thats a big problem. Instead of copying shit like WoW thats not even an MMO at this point they should start copying games that are actually good.
>>344083687
Looks shit.
Oh look, another chinese mmo
>>344138721
Don't look that different.
>>344138721
That's not how things work. They copy games that sell, not those that are good.
It's usually mediocre crap that sells due to most people being casuals.
>>344138340
I'd say that Nexon isn't a disease OR a symptom. It's just a freak occurrence.
The reality of business, contrary to what EVERY businessman and economist will tell you, is that success and failure are almost completely random and arbitrary. In real economics, there are infinitely many variables with infinitely varying weights of importance. We have some general ideas on how to succeed - have a ton of money to begin with, spend a shitton on advertising, etc. - but anything beyond the complexity of "I'm a super huge business with billions of dollars to burn" is a total crapshoot.
Nexon of America just happens to be a horrible company with the backing of a pretty good, insanely rich company and a bunch of really valuable games to publish. That's the end of the story.
I agree with the horrible state of the industry, though I disagree with the actual cause. The fact is, MOST consumers ARE fed up with the current state of affairs. The problem is that the MMO companies are using a system where they don't NEED those people - f2p relies on obsessed, addicted fans. You don't lose 99% of your income if 99% of your playerbase quits, because only 1% of players spend money in the first place, and 99% of THOSE are going to defend your game to the death.
>>344139051
L2 private servers are extremely popular at least in Europe (no clue about US). Is it because they are free? No, its because they offer something that no other MMO can offer and the best MMO experience. Community, accomblishment, difficulty, great content , stunning environment. Its all there and its great
>>344083687
>tab-targetting, hotkey MMO
>question mark/exclamation mark quest system filled with "kill X" and "fetch X" filler for HOURS on end
>a mother fucking stamina system... FFS
Nope. DOA.
Not even worth downloading for gits and shiggles.
>>344083687
>mmo based entirely around flying / monster collecting gimmick
>NEXON
not even once
>>344138721
God, why does every MMO look the same? Where's the fucking creativity? Can we have races besides ELVES AND DWARVES? Can we have settings besides FANTASY?
It's fucking ridiculous. There are only maybe five or six MMOs on the market right now which aren't basically indistinguishable from each other. And it sucks, because I fucking hate the WoW style. I find games like Maplestory or RO so much more visually appealing. Tree of Saviour is a shit game but at least it has a fucking identity.
>>344139385
fantasy is the best setting for an MMO. There are other things that work but if the fantasy setting is done right its unquestionably the best setting.
>>344139385
There's nothing wrong with fantasy. It's just that everyone goes for the "elves here, orcs there" standard setting and it's overdone and dry.
>>344139240
Large corporations do not spend tens of millions to satisfy the 200 people on your server, anon.
>>344139638
You are right they should spend tens of millions to satisfy 100 people with another wow clone
>>344139385
I personally love elves.
>>344139710
if you still call every mmo with quests and tab targeting wow clone you're not worth talking to
So every fps is a cod clone, every fighter is a SF clone, every RTS is a Starcraft clone, give me a break.
I WISH any of this gook crap was a real WoW clone, but they're not, they're cheap shit that I can't stop playing because there is not a real WoW clone that would keep my attention.
By your standards Eve is a wow clone ffs.
>>344139872
I'm so fucking tired of elves
>>344139915
Honestly, an actual WoW clone at this point - instead of something which just emulates its skin-deep characteristics like people have been doing for the better part of a decade - would be a gigantic breath of fresh air right now.
>>344140047
Isn't that Rift?
>>344110234
>Tera using some variation of tab target
The rest of your argument is well presented, but there's nothing remotely close to resembling tab targeting in Tera. That and iframes are what makes it so much fun.
>>344139992
I'm glad I'm not you.
I honestly can't bring myself to care about MMOs anymore. They've been following the same formula for the last ten years because that's the safe way to approach it. Anything that these MMOs seem to do differently are ultimately gimmicks and don't do anything to change up the core gameplay which WoW laid in stone. I couldn't handle doing the same thing ad nauseum, just with some differently coloured mounts and slightly different looking characters.
>>344140246
>Elins are what makes it so much fun.
Fixed that for you.
>>344112958
Maybe I will, I still wanna get 99 summoning and I'm not that far off.
Osrs just doesn't do it for me anymore
Old School Runescape is the only free playable MMO, even RS3 is horrible.
Fuck this genre
>>344138246
The only good RPG is Tabletop or even LARP. Why the fuck are you playing videogames?
>>344110234
>Instanced games aren't MMOs despite literally being Massive Multiplayer Online games
Also
>What is Runescape
>>344140652
>even RS3 is horrible.
You're just stuck in the past dude.
Basically the only differences between the two are combat, artstyle and music.
>>344110234
>>344140246
Yeah TERA does not have tab targeting at all, if you think it does you haven't played it. It has lock-ons for some skills but that's it. You still have to aim your lock-ons first.
But that's part of the problem and tera is actually a decent example of the issue. Unless you have insanely low ping some skill combos become impossible. Making some classes almost unplayable at high pings. The game was designed for koreans who have like the best internet in the world and get single digit ping.
>>344140538
>Ugly lolis are what makes it so fun
If you're one of those faggots who obsess with Love Live and ERP on Steam
>>344140924
And they ruined a bunch of the skills. It's a completely different game now.
>>344141071
>elins
>ugly
what? Love Live aren't even lolis
fucking elins are a miracle of the universe, literally every game would be better with playable elinsor bears.
>>344108072
>Not rocking on in your FC house
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60SX_HtNa_g
>>344141331
Elins are fucking disgusting
Can't go anywhere in this game without seeing these ugly weeb pandering motherfuckers
>>344108802
>there's no pedo class
>>344141178
>And they ruined a bunch of the skills.
Which and how? Because literally all of the skills are the fucking same.
>>344141071
Elins literally saved Tera's dev from bankrupt tho, which is why they mostly only give elins new classes and outfits.
And why as a male Aman Zerk I gave up on Tera.
>Play SMT:Online
>Was actually pretty good, good art direction, capture fusion system and dungeon gameplay
>Play it on and off for a few years
>Don't realize how much I miss it till its gone and this doesn't fill the hole.
Why cant good games get actual marketing budgets.
I have nothing better to do, so I guess i'll give it a shot. Is anyone else actually playing?
>>344083687
Is this Dragon's dogma online ripoff with shit animations?
https://youtu.be/xrFgMcgUCYQ?t=74
>>344142876
Me I guess
>>344118851
It's dead
>>344122036
it hurts so bad to remember. that game was the most fun I have ever had in video games. the NGE was honestly my first true slap in the face by "reality"
>>344129147
Got him
>>344092583
>why is it shit? Except for the reason it's shit
You cant just do that
>>344083687
is this another generic korean MMO?
>>344147234
No this one is revolutionary
>>344147441
Finally a good game for us hardcore gamers!
I want Royal Road to be real
>>344123782
>I just want a game that isn't an overblown, sterile themepark that's more focused on giving a gimped singleplayer experience rather than an immersive virtual world that focuses on player interaction and relationships.
don't play MMO then
>generic flashy over-the-top subhuman gook MMO 'game' #348937
MMO with blade and soul combat, archeage sandboxness and runescape style quests when?
>>344091515
>fuckboy
what a tumblr insult
Looks like shit my marketer
>>344110234
>from progressing at the moment is the fact that the global internet infrastructure is so slow it cant sustain real action combat
This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard considering the existence of Vindictus, Tera, Blade and Soul, Black Desert Online etc. etc. etc.
Action combat is well established and you can play these games with a fucking 1mbit line. MMOs are shit because devs try to compromise too much. They fuck up the PVP because it could hurt the PVEers feelings and as a result the PVPers leave and the PVEers quit naturally run out of content at some point because all the quests are done.
Developers and publishers are too greedy to make it work, and too scared to try something new. MMOs arent a dead genre because of the hardware limitation but because of the inability of developers to do their own fucking thing. Fuck graphics, a world can be immersive without looking realistic. Not everything has to be a Black Desert Online. Albion could be a great game if only the combat system wasnt so fucking ass. The only hope for the genre are kickstarter games like Crowfall and Chronicles of Elyria. Lost Ark also has potential that will be more like Diablo than an actual MMO.
>>344136530
Revelation?
>korean pay2grind
>>344093081
You can't just expect a game that was good a decade ago to be good now, the demographic has completely changed. Nobody even tries to explore in MMOs anymore, they just crack open the wiki and copy the highest rated builds. Everything is an autistic fucking tryhardfest.
>>344104704
Gonna need some visuals, my perversion ain't without delineation.
>mabinogi successor never ever
>>344086802
>>344150335
name a mmo thats purpose isnt to grind?
thats the main focus these games, they're like having real jobs in the virtual space.
>>344152330
access to information killed mmos.
>>344152997
100% of their userbases clamming the fuck up with only goldsellers and user trade accounts populating the chat is what killed MMOs.
Like name one thing MMOs have over traditional RPGs other than social elements.
>>344153141
People still talk in mmos all the time. That's not the problem at all, the problem remains that everyone knows exactly what to do all the time so no one groups up to figure out how to do stuff. If they want to do big group things they'll join the best guild they can or join a guild from an external site they use.
>>344138340
That analogy doesn't make any sense?
>>344092060
>they try that
Except for 99% of AAA MMOs being exactly like WoW.
>>344083687
why does the flying sound and dismount sound like it's ripped right out of WoW
>>344153141
You're confusing the cause and effect here. Spammers actively ruin any possibility of an actual community in MMOs. If you've ever played an active MMO that's not filled with fucking spam, you'd realize that tons of people love to just sit around town and talk during their free time.
Frankly it's disgusting how little effort companies put into dealing with spammers when they're the single biggest factor in ruining MMO communities. I'm pretty sure Nexon NA in particular, or at least key empoyees within the company, are getting cuts of of the profit these sites make because of how bad it is.
>nexon will never just optimize and advertise vindictus and improve it instead of investing in shitty new theme park mmos
>>344130735
>permadeath
>player controlled fugitive hunting system
Why do you tell boldfaced lies?
You lose your ship and implants if you die, that's it. You just buy some new ones, you don't even have to update clones anymore.
Also the bounty hunting system is some half baked shit that will never work as intended.
>THOUSAND PERSON WEEKLONG BATTLES IN WHICH THOUSANDS OF REAL DOLLARS ARE WON AND LOST
It only takes weeks because of TIDI slowing the game to 10% speed so that the server doesn't crash, nobody actually enjoys playing those fights because all you do is press F1 every half hour.
>>344154346
I'd rather they rip Vindictus' combat and character models and slap them into a Mabinogi remake. Mabinogi has the perfect blend of open world, life skills, and instanced dungeon crawling. It's just fucking ancient.
>>344141029
BS, I play Ninja and high combo classes on NA while living in Europe and still get highest dps most of the time and never miss iframes due to lag, got 120 ms.
What happened to game called Moonlight Blade? It was sick as fuck
>>344156890
It released.
>>344157135
US when?
>>344157194
Never. Why the fuck would you play on western servers, are you masochistic?
Why is it always fucking cyan for corruption grafix
>>344158235
because red is Demonic
purple/black is Dark
green is disease
yellow/white is holy
They start to run out of colors
>>344083687
Terrible animations
Terrible sound effects
Terrible music
Terrible graphics
yep it's a shitty free to play pay to win generic grinder all right.
>>344083687
>Steam reviews are mixed
it's shit
>>344083687
Looks like a shitty version of BnS if we don't wank over the flying.
>>344160032
Is there a single free to play MMO on Steam that isn't mixed?
>>344160212
Is there a single f2p MMO on steam that isn't shit?I'm seriously asking
>>344152908
nice bullshit source tard
>>344160436
I hear good things about TERA.
Vindictus has alright gameplay even if the other elements are shit.
Warframe could technically count since we're counting like 6 player games with hubworlds as MMOs. Sort of Vindictus - horrible, horrible meta, but fun gameplay.
All of which are not marked Mixed so I guess I just answered your question, mine, and marked myself out as a fucking idiot.
>>344152908
God, vanilla Aion was fun.
>>344160647
I played it not too long ago and they gagged all under level 10 players. So that was... a poor first impression.
>>344160626
>Warframe
No. Noooo. It's complete fucking shit. Never mention it again. Stop.
>>344160723
The game doesn't really start until you get lvl 10 when you got your wings, really THE thing that made me love Aion, offering a mobility almost never seen before (or at least back then) and lvl 30 when you get your first taste of instanced dungeons while unlocking the Abyss.
>>344160790
I don't care about your fucking assburn about some mechanics being downsized and a shithead guild getting gagged, the focus on platforming and multiple game types along with the active - almost hyperactive - community marks out Warframe as, well, something.
Not "complete fucking shit" though that metagame means I'm never touching it again.
Everytime you bring it up one of you fucking fannies comes crawling out of the woodworks.
>>344160626
>Tera
Do you like genderrace locked classes?
>>344161031
Fuck off, I don't care about any fucking guilds or whatever happened to them. DE are incompetent retards and don't want you to have fun. The core gameplay can seem decent at first but in reality it's fucking trash. There's nothing worthwhile in it anymore.
Kill yourself.
>>344122036
>SWG
Jesus fucking christ. It was so good. And most of the game wasn't even about leveling up or grinding rpg elements. I spent so much time just hanging out with the guild or crafting or decorating or chilling in Cantina. Even just exploring the planets for fun and traveling 10-15 minutes across the landscape before you kill anything. And it was full of so many secrets and rare stuff. Find a random stranger's guild hall on some planet and explore their meticulously laid out tables and shit. Or those abandoned buildings and empty areas that the devs just scattered for flavor or abandoned. The Twi'Lek outfits with the glowsticks, fuck man.
>>344152908
Who the fuck played Lineage in 2000 until 2003? Also i never thought Aion was that big. Really grindy but had a great atmosphere.
>>344119172
Everything about that looks terrible. Why does it keep pausing for a split second on each hit like a fighting game? Why does the artstyle look like it was on a budget of a cheeky tenner? Why does anything with a "powerful anime high schooler" instantly mean it's shit?
0/10 don't even want to know its name.
>>344123436
Because you can tell by their quality that they cost fuck all to make. They add cash shops, add in a waifu dress up maker for a character and they will make a quick buck until the next one 6 months down the road. The good MMOs are the ones that stay relevant for many, many years.
>>344163085
>don't even want to know its name.
Kritika.
