When does this become fun
once you get to Gransys.
Immediately, after beating the dragon, at Bitterblack Isle, or not at all.
The second I picked up a pot and threw it at someone I knew I was in for a good time. But to each their own.
It really doesn't, not consistently at least.
It has it's ups and downs but is mostly a bore, influenced by excellent ideas and plagued by poor direction and execution.
>>343997780
*Gran Soren
>>343997624
At the final boss of the story, post-game, and BBI.
Thankfully the main story can be done in like half an hour.
stop playing if you don't enjoy it instead of making shit threads.
>Friend kept hassling me to play it.
>Gave me an OP pawn that would carry me through every fight in the game.
And just like that, I lost all interest.
>go into the Everfall
>giant
>me and pawn are severely underleveled, our weapons are doing nothing, and the giant keeps going boner-mode over my hired witch
>end up Blitz-Striking him off the edge
>he dies from the fall
FUCK YES THIS IS GREAT.
>leaving thieve encampment at the top of a mountain
>decide to kill the ogre that me and my pawn passed
>knock off ogre
FUCK YE-
>pawn goes down with it
>have to run all the way down the mountain to save him
>he just so coincidentally landed next to a wild chimera
>have no healing items
>aid him and escape the Chimera by the skin of our teeth
>critical hp, spend at least a half hour scavenging for flowers to munch on, and finding treasure
>finally make my way back to the front of Gran Soren
>see a small group of thieves; this is child's play, let's get some extra EXP before we head inside the walls
>game pulls a funny and decided to make these theives OP as fuck, knocking out a third of my HP in a single hit
>they stunlock me to death
>Retry
>back at the top of the mountain
>friend needs at at the Chimera
>Save and Quit
>>343998247
how quickly the tide turns
Post your best DD moments.
Is post-dragon Everfall one of the coolest dungeons ever?
It sure feels like it
>>343998231
Just dismiss the pawn then retard.
don't play warrior
I made that mistake
>jump
>light attack
>jump
>light attack
>jump
>light attack
>jump
>light attack
You likely aren't letting the wind push you.
Become the dangan.
You should do a full warrior playthrough at some point. Especially on BBI.
You can't say that you know shit about DD if you haven't learn how to use every means possible, abuse i-frames and hyper armor, knock down enemies and how to attack weak points. The game is already easy enough, so don't just roflstomp through the game with some casual class like Ass or MA and grow some balls.
>>343998690
I don't have a best, but my worst is anytime that I fought a Litch and they pull off memestrom.
Literally the Hottest, Sexiest, and BEST Arisen.
>>343998690
Seeingyour first main character as the seneschal in ng+
>>343999897
>not making a cute amazon with short hair and a loli pawn
>>343999218
Gotta get that +20%str augment though. Hit hard or go to next cycle.
I was shocked at how good of a PC port this is. It has some draw distance and pop-in problems but that's it.
>>344001084
Also with family sharing you can make more chatacters and pawns.
Its pretty fun running with full party of your own pawns.
It doesn't, unless you're into single-player MMOs
>>343998690
>explore BBI as Magick Archer
>get a ring that improves one of my skills
>have no idea how the FUCK this works, but decide to equip skill and dick around with it
>oh hey, it stuns shit
>dick around a bit, descend and explore
>suddenly death appears over a bridge
>go internally "might as well hit him with the stun skill i mean it won't do shit but i have nothing better to do that isn't running away"
>mfw it stuns him and he falls to his death
>>344004195
>yfw any time you kill a boss mob with fall damage
>>344004380
>kill Death the first time by making him fall into water
>mfw after I realize that his loot is with him down there
>>344004195
>>344004559
Can Death even die from that? I've seen it just floating over bottomless pits.
The game becomes good after you escort the hydra to Gran Soren.
The game becomes GOAT after you actually beat it.
>>344004380
>On the way to bandit girl only fortress
>Cyclops
>Go around abit and run to near cliff
>He slipped
Oh damnnnn gooddd
>>344004630
Yes, he will die instantly from that.
>>344004740
>slipped
I don't think that's the correct word.
Somebody post that one webm. I don't have it saved on this PC.
why does the golem move so weird?
>>344004740
>on way out from the girl only fortress after slaughtering all of them
>pawn tells me that it would be easier to make our way through it if we wore female attire
>check the armors I picked up while in the fortress
>can't even equip them because they're female-only
best wife
>tfw she becomes crestfallen no matter what you do
>>344005028
mercedes is indeed best
>>344005028
>tfw brown girls with french accents
H H N N N N N G G G G G ~
>>344005028
I like her jap voice.
>>344005002
There's particular outfits that let you crossdress.
One of them is from the Black Cat, iirc.
>>344004893
Its like gears without lubrication anon. Same thing to golem, rocks and magic only to make it move
>first time actually trying to get into Dark Arisen PC after giving up on Dragon's Dogma multiple times years ago on console
>see that great hammers are an option
>immense need to make a Harley Quinn character, but already made my pawn my best friendAre there multiple save files? Please let it be so.
Hottest Arisen
>>344005337
>multiples saves
Only soft and hard anon
Soft is checkpoint
Hard is when you rest at inn
Backup just incase
>>344005337
If you buy an item from that one dude where you encountered your first hydra then you can customize your character at any time in the main menu. There is a one time item and one for unlimited use. They both cost RC so get your pawn rented asap.
Do you make your Arisen you?
>>344005337
Just make a new steam account and use family sharing.
This way you can hire your own pawns too.
>>344005703
Forgot to mention, but the unlimited one can only be purchased when you have finished the main game.
>>344005714
fuck no, I make my character a cute girl
I was going to make a shota pawn but there are no good "young boy" voices
>>344005774
Yeah, those pitched voices are just horrible. I wonder if japanese voices have any good ones.
>>344005714
I enjoy more boobs and asses, so no
>>344005892
Try mod it, got one at nexus. Backup your folder since that voice mod will permanently replace all voices files
>>343997624
When you drink a shitton and roleplay as Guts
>>343998247
>back to the front of gran soren
Why didn't you just warp?
>>344006201
I didn't know about the warp stones.
HOW TO FUCK UP DEATH ?!
I did some damage on it by striking some explosive arrows, but this takes way too long, also is the loot really that worthy ?
>>344005714
Yes, so I get a helmet ASAP
>>344005146
german*
>first playthrough
>had no idea the romance system was a thing
>get to the final battle
>the dragon stole the fucking fat little armory guy because he was the NPC I spoke with most
>he becomes my "beloved"
>>344005714
Nah, I painstakingly customize a character who looks like an inhabitant of Cassardis, with an appropriate name.
I have no control over my neuroses.
>>344006330
Grind gut. But explosive arrows are the way to go, if you play any yellow class. You can also use items that strengthen physical attack. The loot is worth, mostly upgrading material for the better BBI gear.
Normally you won't be able to kill him the first time he shows up, you are supposed to wittle him down over time. Alternatively you can make him fall down into some water, which will instantly kill him, but you won't get his loot by doing this.
>>344005337
there isn't multiple save files
then again, you're on PC, just find the save folder and move it somewhere else
>>344006447
>Can't romance Grigori
>>344006376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YtMC4yUDhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7Q_GZlvis
>>344005714
No, I make himcute.
>>344007087
Oh hi, me.
I STILL CAN'T FUCKING KILL THE DRAGON
AND YOU CAN'T GO BACK
W H A T T H E F U CK
>>344007243
Use the ballistae. It's not a difficult fight.
>>344007286
>fire ballista at him once
>agradddaabeyeeealarrrret
>bvshhhhhhhhh
>ballista dies
>you lose 90% of your health
>>344007360
Did you climb and attack his heart ?
>>344007360
Never happened to me. Shoot him down when he starts flying around or when he is above you, shooting fireballs at you. They were placed there for those situations.
>>344007243
What class are you? Dark enhancements really push his shit in.
>>343997624
Rush through the main story because it's utter dogshit, except the final boss. The game gets pretty good after that, until you smash upon the grind barrier in BBI because you do no damage to enemies. Didn't even finish BBI after that.
>>344007360
> get to drag
> getting wiped constantly
> try high maelstorm
> It takes him down in 3 casts
Ayyy lmao
>>344007443
I do and can get him to about half a bar of health before he starts flying and I have to get off his wild ride
>>344007569
Will try this
>>344007574Magick Archer
>play mystic knight
>become unable to enjoy any other class
New players please make sure to try out everything else before using it.
Also the golems are perhaps the worst designed enemies in video game history.
Mages do jack shit to stone ones while non-bow users literally cannot kill metal ones.
>>343999897
>>344007689
Use dark enhancements and grab onto him and use scarlet kisses or whatever that skill with daggers is called.
>>344007195
I'm you but stronger.
>>344007689>not using the maker's finger
>>344007701
>Shield on back except for when actively blocking
>Shield clips through your cape
>>344007874
Considering I only started my character yesterday, I 100% agree with you.
>>344005337
you can backup your saves if you are on PC. google for the location.
Around level 15-20.
Gimp yourself one pawn or else the game is a cakewalk, many people have completed the game solo
>>344008015
Vocation?
>>344009306
Sword Fighter. I like the look of sword-n'-boarding.
>>343997624
When the game is good, it's REALLY good.
Unfortunately, when the game is bad, it's REALLY fucking bad. You just have to go through the shit to find the diamonds.It's a lot like life.
>>344007701
>fighting a stone golem
>the last disc is under its foot
>>344009747
It's fun going at it as mage with only mage pawns and non elemental heavy attacks. Takes fucking forever and every single hit from that beast will kill you. I don't make that mistake anymore.
>>343997624
BBI if youre not shit go there ASAP
>go there early on
>spend a lot of time just killing shit and having fun not dying
>also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMY-r4c4RE
It still played pretty often for awhile cause i'd go in solo. Assassin damage boost > pawns being worthless
>>343997624
>he fell for the dd is good meme
>>344009747
First, break the disc on the back, that brings it to its knees, break the one on the foot. Next break the head disc, which will paralyze it in standing position, which would make it is to break the medal on one of its palms.
>>344009857Use the instant kill spell.
>>343997624
it doesnt sorry
>>344007701
>waaah I should be able to beat every enemy ezpz no matter what, if I can't it's bad design :(
Fuck this casual underage mentality. RPGs have always had shit like this. Don't have fire or acid? You don't get to beat the troll. Don't have silver or magic? You don't get to beat the ghost in Morrowind etc etc. There's nothing wrong with this.
>>344009747
>the last disc is20ft in the air
>>344010451
>strawmanning
Go castrate yourself.
>Don't have fire or acid? You don't get to beat the troll.
Except you can probably find consumable fire or acid potions/bombs/whatever and carry them with you to compensate for the shortcomings in whatever made-up game you're talking about.
>Don't have silver or magic? You don't get to beat the ghost in Morrowind
What are you trying to say here?
Both Physical and Magical classes can damage the ghosts in the end, so that's fine.
In Dragon's dogma when faced with a Stone Golem as a Mage, you can do one of two things:
>Deal literally 0.01% damage per hit because it is immune to magic and mages have practically zero physical prowess
>Play an entirely different class just to be able to do something to this specific enemy and it alone
There's no alternatives.
Physical characters can carry enchanted weapons to deal with physical-immune/resistant enemies.
Mages can't "cast fist".
>>344011458
mages can cast meteors or ice spikes that deal decent physical damage
>>344011624
Sorcerers can.
I think mages only have frigor.
Doesnt really matter though, the physical damage scales with strength anyway and pure casters and their staves have low str.
>>344011624
>>344011996
Both can use the focused holy bolt, and that's the only thing that matters.
>>344011458
Almost like how you can switch classes in DD and come back to beat the thing, or have pawns do it for you, you literal fucking baby.
>>344012320
that does holy damage moron
>>344011458
>I should be able to do everything with any character
Cancer killing video games.
>>344012395
>>344013212
>can do everything with every class except for this one
>justifying shit balancing/design
>>344013359
I think Skyrim would be more to your liking.
>>344006749
>mercedes
>french
>>343997871
The final boss was really shit for me. It was way too easy. I went mystic knight and just dashed into his heart with that darkness slash thing and his health dropped in seconds. It was quite a fun game though all in all. It's so close to being a good game but everything except combat is disappointing
>>344013424
Again
>can do everything with every class
>except for one (or two if you could sorcs as a separate entity)
>genuinely trying to justify poor design as "hardcore"
Have a (you).
>>344013630
>Again, I'm a casual
>>>/tesg/
>>344013596
I don't think you are talking about the last boss.
>>344013359
>if I can't always win easily it's shit >:(((((
Take that guy's advice. Stick to Skyrim, kiddo.
>>344013596
Well, the game isn't exactly hard to say the least. Also, unless you were using a guide like a little bitch, you got lucky, because he's vulnerable to dark element.
>tfw spent an hour shooting arrows at hydra in everfall
>it was completely optional and doesnt even drop anything
>>344013929
Ahh that makes sense. The ability is really good I used it all the time, sometimes with holy enchantment to fuck the undead
>tfw you start dealing LITERALLY 0 DAMAGE at one point in BBI
Why is this a thing
>>344000205
This nigga knows it.
>>343998690
>fresh game
>nighttime
>woman on the pier asks if I want to visit Bitterblack Isle
>ignore warning
>visit
>go into random boss room
>giant eye monster
>retry like ten times
>one more try
>it falls off the edge
>trophy unlocked
>mfw
>>344013742
>>344013845
>can't defend his stance
>can't tell the difference between difficulty and poor/failed design
>trying to justify that inconsistency as "hardcore"
>continues to resort to ad hominem
Have one more (you).
>he made some hella gay tomboy instead of a manjaw vampire
>>344014193
Get a lvl 2 weapon
>>344000205
>>344014218
>short hair
>white hair
>dark skin
>abs
truly the perfect combination
>>344014402
>grinding in a video game
>>344014402
not him but I got super unlucky with drops. Had to beat matt damon with dragon weapons
damn what a fight. Used up all my inventory
>>344014193
>that giant skeleton
I resorted to using explosives, then went back to Gransys after killing it.
>>344011458
You know you can just unequip your staff and start punching it right?
>>344014330
>Keeps insisting that varying difficulty is "poor/failed design"
>Thinks not being able to defeat everything in the game easily with every character is "hardcore"
>Doesn't know what ad hominem is
>>>/vg/tesg
>>344014218
>>344014412
forgot a horizontal scar/bandaid over nose
>>344014330
>it's fine in other games if you can go somewhere else to find specific weapons or consumables and come back to beat the otherwise unbeatable enemy
>it's bad design in DD though because you have to go and simply switch classes or bring some pawns to do it for you
>waah waah waah I should just receive a free win always
>not knowing what an ad hominem is
Have one more fuck off to Skyrim, kid.
>>344014575
if you're magic based you can save scum the gorecyclops in the giant tower
fairly early into bbl, easy to kill because it can't reach you
otherwise just do the dragonhorn quest and you can BUY some bbl lv2 weapons
>>344014547
I got it on my first try on the dark bishop
Sucks to be you :^)
>>344014614
is it viable to run as a musclemage? I want to punch shit to death with a sorcerer hat.
It doesn't, it's a garbage game. If you aren't an autist prone to liking garbage games, then listen to me when I say a game is garbage
>>344014547
you can buy them
beating dark pope with a lv1 (or grigori reward) weapon isn't hard as long as it's dragonforged
>>343997624
>boot game
>already fun
Never if you like hard games. The game had it all except a proper hard mode. A shame.
Never. It's a shit game
>>343997624
That is really up to you.
Once you start gaining a few levels and skills you can completely customize your character to your playstyle. Best thing is when you get bored with a certain vocation you can always switch over to another one.
>>344005714
I make them basically me, I just give them the crookedest jewiest nose option possible and then make them a mr Olympia candidate
>>344011064
Hell yeah senpai, best feel by far
>>344015224
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor?
>>344005714
I make him the better me, e.g the same facial characteristics/hair etc. but with a better body or handsomer cause I'm an insecure power-fantasy ridden twerp.
>>343997624
when you buy gut's armor and sword and treat it as berserk.
If they ever do make a sequel I hope they scrap the current damage calculation system and go for something where you don't deal 0 damage if your weapon isn't strong enough.
>>344015652
But PC doesnt have gattsu armor!
>>344005768
Its available after Gregori, you don't have to finish Everfall.
>>344015376
>>344014643
>"varying difficulty"
>either hit enemy 100 times or 10000 times
>attacking characteristics of the individual in place of an arguement is not ad hominem
>>344014692
>classes are the same as weapons/equipment
If the physical damage that spells dealt wasn't tied to your strength stat, there would be no problem. It'd be trickier due to the casting time, but you could still reasonably take it on as a magic user and not a gimped Warrior.
Also
>relying on pawns for killing golems
>>344016234
>Saying that a game made for casuals would be more suited for a casual than Dragon's Dogma is an ad hominem
No, this is an ad hominem: You're retarded
>>344016426
That's just an insult.
>>344016541
Now I'm convinced that it's a fact.
>>344016426
>clearly using casual as a derogatory term and insinuating that the opposing party is a "casual" by claiming that a game commonly known for being popular with "casuals" would be more suited for them
>in other words, attacking the individual instead of the argument
>not ad hominem
>>343999725
That shit's hilarious
>BBI, see Two Lich's below me
>Overpowered bow does fuck all to them
>Just makes them angry
>Memestrom
>Memestrom
>Memestrom goes the Pawn into the ceiling
>Memestrom goes my character into the ceiling
>Finally ends, die from the fall just as another Memestrom begins
>Trapped in a death animation as Lich's keep Memestroming non stop
>Hard reset
>
>>344016797
I am insinuating that the game wasn't made for you and that you would enjoy a game that was made for people like you more. There's no argument there, I'm just suggesting a game you might enjoy.
Additionally, you're the one taking "casual" as an insult, you casual.
>>344016234
How are they not the same in this case? You cannot beat the enemy without having a specific item or ability. But you can just go away and get that item or ability and come back. Same in DD but with classes and/or pawns.
>>343997624
When you stop having shit taste in games, you underage faggot.
>>343997624
If you are purposely looking for fun, this game isn't for you.
>>344006447
THEY'RE MASTERWORKS ALL, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG.
>>344011458
Wow its almost like your given three other party members with the intent on your creating a party that plays off each others strength and weaknesses!
>Physical characters can carry enchanted weapons to deal with physical-immune/resistant enemies.
No they can't. Try taking an enchanted weapon to a Living Armor or a Wraith and see what happens.
>he fell for the dragons dogma meme
its just hipster skyrim anon, in fact its somehow even worse
>>344017004
>"I wasn't really trying to offend you"
Nah, choke on a dick.
You know EXACTLY what the fuck you were implying when you bought up Skyrim of all games in the first place, let alone recommending that somebody go play a different game outright. Don't try to weasel out of it.
>>344017142
With items/equipment you can typically bring it to the encounter regardless of prior build and use it to deal with the enemy.
>enemy appears
>alright i'll put this coating on my weapon or toss this aids bomb at the enemy or whatever
>oh neat now I can actually do something to it
You can't switch classes out in the field in DD.
>enemy appears
>"well shit I guess I'm playing the wrong class"
>go all the way back to Gran Soren, change to physical class, come all the way back to the encounter
>kill it
>go all the way back to Gran Soren, switch back to mage, and come all the way back yet again to continue on your journey
Portcrystals lessen the tedium somewhat, but it shouldn't even be a problem in the first place.
And pawns aren't anywhere near reliable for dealing with Golems because they require precision targeting.
For things like Chimeras and Ogre it's fine because their entire body is a hitbox.
>>344017837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwC-PivIGUU
>>344017039
that made me wet
>>344018249
>I'm offended
Not an argument
>>343997624
When your abilities feel satisfying to use but the game still challenges you to use them effectively.
In other words
Never
>people didn't make Best Loli their beloved
Terrible taste, the lot of you.
>>344018572
Play more than ten minutes, anon.
>>344018665
you mean the part when your shit gets so strong that gameplay is completely mindless
the monsters in this game can't keep up with the player
>>344018249
Good job posting a video of someone who min maxed and levelled entirely as Assassin/Sorcerer so that he has 1000 more magic attack than he's supposed to, retard. If you minmaxed like that guy did and levelled 1-200 as an assassin then switched to Sorcerer, you would be doing even more damage to a stone golem than that guy was doing. Stop making yourself look stupider than you already are.
The game is slightly tedious because you either obliterate an enemy, or you literally can't hurt it. Farming gear basically punishes you by removing all challenge from the game.
Not to mention the godawul vocation balance in BBI where some classes can't do jack shit to certain bosses and/or enemies.
Fighters can have fun with Eliminators and dragons, but good luck fighting Daimon with them.
>>344018724
How was your fight against the ogre in the everfall?
Also learn how to capitalize und punctuate.
>>344013529
>>344006749
>>344006376
>>344005146
It's actually Belgian.
>>344018249
>With items/equipment you can typically bring it to the encounter regardless of prior build and use it to deal with the enemy.
Gee, you know what you can bring regardless of prior build and use it to deal with the enemy? Pawns.
>You can't switch classes out in the field in DD.
Nor can you find silver or magic weapons next to every ghost in Morrowind or acid next to every troll in IWD.
It's the same situation. You're just so goddamn casual that if anything isn't super convenient, you throw a tantrum.
>>343998247
Why didn't you save after the Chimera?
You pick Save and Continue and it makes a save in the exact place you saved.
>>344019061
>pawns
>useful
>ever
top lmao friend
>>344010215
>Next break the head disc, which will paralyze it in standing position,
It freeze when you destroy the shimmering/fuming medal. Not a medal in particular. Which one it is is random.
>>344019117
Stop recruiting nexus/guardian pawns
>>344019117
>mfw sorcerer pawn almost kills Grigori for me
Whatever you say.
>>344018829
It really feels like Fighter was the first class that they designed, and they originally wanted the game to be balanced around using your abilities and interacting with your pawns in creative ways. Like on paper fighter deals with flying enemies by flinging a pawn up to grab on to him, or he deals with a ledge he can't reach by taunting a harpie over to you and hitching a ride on it.
And then it turned out that the game wasn't working out that way since the physics and AI weren't up to snuff so they added in a bunch of do-everything classes that instagib everything with ease.
>>344019117
Yes, they're quite useful, and even more useful than usual when your own class has massive difficulties dealing damage to a specific enemy.
>top lmao
Come back when you're over 18, friend.
>>344019183
>That one guy who complains about pawns being retarded while his Sorc pawn is Guardian/Nexus
Everytime desu
>>344019138
Oh, right, I forgot.
I think the medal is charged by getting hit by a magic attack.
>>344018829
First form daimon is fun as a fighter desu
>>344019183
Pawns are at best as good as a mentally disabled person that played the game for 1000 hours. They know what to do, but sometimes they just forget and be retarded.
>>344019229
You mean it had tempest and managed to cast it after canceling it about 20 times?
>>344018918
you mean the one that spawns right next to a big pit
boy i wonder what i'm supposed to do here
wait a minute
that ledge...
the whole game was fun to me
>>344019426
>You mean it had tempest and managed to cast it after canceling it about 20 times?
Nice job literally confirming what that first guy said. Sorcerer pawns will only stop and recast spells like that if they're some dogshit inclination combo like Guardian/Nexus, or if they're going to get hit.
>>344005714
Yes.But I have a longer mustache.
>>344019291
>play Strider
>able to deal with every situation the game throws at me
>pawns are useless
>play Warrior
>hoo boy these pawns and their AI are amazing, the sorcerer even used an ability against this airborne enemy, what an impressive and useful character I've recruited
It's all about perspective I guess.
Pawns with 3* daimon knowledge will still climb the wrong parts and ignore his weak points. lvl 200 pawns will still climb saurians because apparently that's better than killing them in 1 hit.
That being said, the safest bet is to just run 3 sorc pawns and let them solo the game for you with group casting since as in most games, spellcasting is so braindead even Pawns are able to do it.
>>344019426
Oh boy, you have no idea. My pawn basically ended him with one single high maelstrom after I shot him done with a ballista. I was only there to deal the killing blow.
>>344019554
Friend, I beat the game several times and I know how inclinations work. Even some mlg pawns the dragons dogma general wanks over and makes fanart of were fucking retarded pretty often when I hired them. It's a coin toss how they perform. I've seen a single strider pawn solo 4 garm by splitting their brains and then enter a climbing loop on a gorecyclops for 20 minutes.
>>344019491
It took you some time to look that up. It's also no reliable tactic for this fight and can kill yourself or a pawn quickly. Though all I wanted to say is that this is a pretty tough early fight most people around here have problems with. But moreso with the ogres in the mine, because you are barely stronger after this and there is no way for the ogres to kill themselves.
The drake is another story...
>>344019864
So it did its job and used literally 1 ability? I mean, I'm happy for you and you should be proud of your pawn, but people get way impressed with shit like that and forget all those times pawns end up being retarded as fuck.
Am I missing out on much if I have vanilla DD instead of Dark Arisen. I've owned it for so long and never played it, but should I just get DA instead?
>>344020091
Yes.
>>344019025
But which Belgian? Wallonian? Or Flemish?
>>344019898
> I've seen a single strider pawn solo 4 garm by splitting their brains and then enter a climbing loop on a gorecyclops for 20 minutes.
Because thats how pawn AI works. If the pawn was ONLY trying to climb the gorecylcops, that because its an action it learned from its master after seeing it repeated over and over again, like how my warrior pawn eventually only spammed jumping attacks because of how often I would jump to take advantage of Eminence. The difference being that helm splitting 3 Garms requires no prior planning, while the pawn will be unable to climb the Gorecyclops unless they are properly stocked with stamina curatives, which I have no doubt they lacked.
>>344020031
You said they are useless. I presented you one example of my pawn helping a lot in the final boss fight. Eat a bag of dicks.
>>344020091
Yes. DA is fucking great.
>>344020091
Dark Arisen is a pretty cool expansion with lots of drops andextremely ugly armorso wholeheartedly recommend it.
>>344020031
>"X is useless!"
>But X killed the boss in one hit for me?
>"WOOOOOOOOW, X used one ability, am I supposed to be impressed?"
>>344020219
I wonder if someone will eventually crack the AI used for pawns and find some way to program it to do specific things
>>344020219
>its an action it learned from its master after seeing it repeated over and over again
This meme will never stop, will it?
>tfw bought ddda a while ago and got up to the dragon before Igave up at the dragon and started playing other stuff
>just getting into souls games, partway through 2
>this thread makes me want to go back to dd again
no escape
>>344019992
he fucking attacks you by charging at you and doing drop kicks, it was obvious what you were supposed to do there
shit the first time i fought him he fell off by accident on no part of my own
even the ogres in the mines can be dealt with because you either have a roll with a ton of i-frames or a shield with an enormous window for perfect blocks or you could just kite them with spells
none of the monsters in dragons dogma really have an answer to braindead shit and the whole facade falls apart the moment the player realizes this
>>344020460
>He thinks pawns just coincidentally repeat specific actions constantly
cease the memes
>>344020219
I'm talking about the horrendous bugs regarding climbing in BBI in general. Pawns climbing and then proceeding to run to the back of the gorecyclops and keep doing that until they get exhausted. I'm pretty sure neither me nor other people that rented them did something so stupid. Same goes for Daimon, that's why I gave up on all non-sorc pawns.
>>344020236
Touche I guess, sometimes they do their fucking job and kill a boss in 1 spell that blocks your entire screen.
>>343997624
when you get some taste
>>344020662
They're climbing because thats what they were taught to do because thats how you fucking fight a gorecyclops as melee. Give them some mushrooms and watch them do their job you whiny baby
>>344020610
It's not coincidental, it just has absolutely fucking nothing to do with how much they see the arisen or other pawns do it. It only has to do with inclinations, bestiary knowledge and their class.
>>344020546
>even the ogres in the mines can be dealt with because you either have a roll with a ton of i-frames or a shield with an enormous window for perfect blocks or you could just kite them with spells
If you put it that way every arpg is a casual piece of shit game with no difficulty at all.
>>344020854
Then you have no idea what you're talking about because you can literally observe your pawns copying your general actions, or specific ones if you play the same class. Cease your memes
>>344020904
>>344020775
Or I could just do it myself approximately 5 times faster because I won't get grabbed by the gorecyclops, nor waste 50% of my stamina running laps from its ankle to its back 6 times.
I'm just saying the AI could use some work and it's really not as impressive as most people here like to pretend it is.
And if pawns actually learned some cool shit I'd be seeing a pawn do a climb>double jump>brainsplit on weakpoint>instant reset>grab back onto boss. The most impressive shit I've seen so far is fighter pawns protecting mage pawns with perfect blocks, but only very rarely.
>>343997624
Does PSN have some kinda limit to if you don't log in after X amount of time they delete your account?
My best friend's account is no longer on my friend's list so I can't get his pawn in Dragon's Dogma anymore. It was the closest I could get to playing with him anymore.
>>344021131
The issue here is you're expected to have a party of 4 people all with the power level of the main arisen, which is fucking retarded and would be impossible to balance. Go play DDO if you want to understand why you're so horrible wrong in your line of thinking.
>>344021131
Bestiary knowledge is the key. Being "unfamiliar" with the monster is just a restriction put on the pawn AI. Once you get three stars it actually stops being handicapped. Fighter pawns in particular start perfect blocking every fucking attack from those monsters and become unkillable.
>>344021131
>I'm just saying the AI could use some work and it's really not as impressive as most people here like to pretend it is.
It's the only AI I can think of which is able to learn. I think most people are not impressed enough by it and kinda take it for granted.
>>344021317
I know it would be proken, I'd much prefer pawns doing 30% of their damage and actually working.
That being said, even though I'm bitching, DDDA is probably one of my favorite games ever, even though it's incredibly flawed.
>>344020927
It's called confirmation bias. The game has been out on PC for while. People can and did actually test the retarded console myths that children believe in and it's completely unsubstantiated. You just attach a fucking memory editor and look for shit. There are no value increases aside from inclination that affect pawns during repeated actions from the arisen or other pawns.
>>344021558
So you're telling me my Warrior just "coincidentally" started spamming ONLY jump attacks in place of normal swings at a completely random point in time that just "happened" to coincide with the point in time that I began to use jump attacks consistently?
>>344021460
Some of the shit the AI requires to get bestiary knowledge is retarded, especially the kill count for low lvl enemies, but other than that I did notice them utilize the tactics the knowledge stars give them.
However I've always been the same class as my pawn and I've never seen it do any of the cool shit I did. They did behave better when we were the same class due to me influencing their inclinations.I still try to teach them stupid shit just for fun, but that's just leftover autism from Black & White, fuck I wanna replay that game now
>>344021784
I've had pawns do that as soon as they had eminence equipped.
>>344021995
And mine did it without having even learned Eminence, let alone having a single level invested in Strider, whats your point?
>>344018638
I would do but I tried to help her up when walking her round town, turns out the grapple button flings her over your shoulder, so I got arrested for being the fucking child snatcher.
>>344022126
That it might be a coincidence? I mean, poor warriors only have jumping attacks and 3 skills, it's not really unusual for warr pawns to jump and smash.
Never played a mage. When it came to PC decided to play as a mage on hard. Shit was pretty ridiculous sometimes but also really fun. Pretty much everything one shot me form the beginning of the game all the way to the end. The only thing I really struggled with were Golems at the beginning but then I found out how to fight them. I love this game, even with all of its flaws. Really hope they announce a sequel because DDO was super disappointing.
>>344021784
Yes. It could have something to do with your pawn's inclination changes or getting more bestiary stars in that "completely random point in time" but there is no underlying hidden mechanic where pawns learn to increase or reduce the frequency of actions.
>>344022198
The point being he only started spamming jump attacks after I did, a completely isolated point in time that occurred after me leveling FOUR other vocations to max level.
>>344022358
Unless you can consistently teach it to change its tactics, then it was just a coincidence.
Keep trying to teach it new tricks if you find it fun, but I gave up on that a long time ago.
>>344022352
Even IF it was an inclination, which is wasn't as I'm very strict in maintaining by pawns inclinations between all of the "HELP ME" and "GO" spam, there isn't any vocation that, at a secondary or tertiary stage, would influence a pawn to only spam jump attacks.
>getting more bestiary stars
Beastiary stars do not grant nebulous knowledge, they simply unlock the pawns abilities to abuse monsters pre-programmed weaknesses. Even assuming there are ANY monsters with the "weak to jump attacks" in their three star knowledge section, it would still not prompt a pawn to use jump attacks on every single enemy in the game, from Goblins to second form Daimon.
>>344022706
It's like you don't understand that this can actually be tested with a simple memory editor. It doesn't exist. Your pawn ended up doing jumping attacks because of other reasons. They have a selection of applicable actions for situations, and yours happened to pick jump attack many times even though it could've just as likely picked something else, it's a coincidence.
But hey, you clearly want to believe in your little myth so just do it, no skin off my back.
Where the hell do I get a better bow? Weapon man in Gran Soren doesn't sell them, and I've only been able to find longbows as loot. This Sylvan Bow just isn't cutting it anymore.
>>344006447
>>343997624
Kept restarting because I always find a flaw in the pawn I designed and can't bring myself to wait until I arrive at Gran Soren.
>>344023995
early game?
savescum for direwolf bow
chest is outside the house in the witchwood
lategame savescum in soulflayer
Just got this game
I went straight to two handed swords after i got to the capital
But so far it's boring
Knight with shield and sword had 8 abileties worrior only has 4
And most of them aren't even good. Like the sweap he does that just knocks down people sounded so much more cool on the abillety sheet
Does it get better or should i just switch?
>>344025045
No just refund the game it's shit
>>344025045
>Does it get better or should i just switch?
nah
warrior having only 3 skills is completely inexcusable
i find fighter pretty boring too desu
try assassin/ ranger/ strider
>>344024005
>>344006447
>Do that mission for the queen because why not
>Oh shit she's getting killed, better save her and I might get a reward or something
>My reward is that the ugly slut becomes my beloved
>Get the bad ending if I let her die
Should have let the king kill her
>>344025045
Give Strider a go, it's the most churazee class. And the sweep becomes god tier later on, but still Warriors and Fighters are kind of slow, you might want to try out Mystic Knight if you want to be a warrior but still have some utility.
>>344025329
>warrior having only 3 skills is completely inexcusable
Every other class except mage and sorcerer only have three skills per weapon.
>>344025045
That one skill is a great crowd-control and can stunlock enemies to death. Warrior gets better, but probably not in the way you are imagine it. He's supposed to be sluggish and slow and specialized. He's a tank with hyper armor that knocks down even the biggest foes and can do excellent damage to their weak spots. Though other classes outperform him in that regard, he's still an excellent class to play for a while if you want to play other classes dealing physical damage.
I want to punch everyone that says: "PLAY WARRIOR BE GUTS!" because this gives a really wrong impression of one of my favorite classes.
>>343997624
When you stop actively looking for the fun. It distracts you from having fun
>>343997624
Level 10.
Then it gets boring after level 30 if you dont beat the main game by then.
Then it gets fun again in Bitterblack Isle. btw fun is subjective
>>344025951
Isn't the Warrior the only class in the game that has 1 weapon? Poor Warriors.
>>343998690
>See DDDA being spammed on /v/.
>Pirate it, figure its prolly overhyped shit.
>Go in completely blind, just made it to Gransys. Checked the quest board.
>Some merchant dude wants to be escorted to a far as fuck place. Decide why not, I like open world anyway.
>Night falls, Undead everywhere things are going smoothly
>Suddenly fucking Skeleton Lord shanking the shit out of my pawn and me.
>Decide to just try and fucking run.
>Cyclops, wolves and fucking bandits show up.
>Spend 20 minutes trying to kill them all.
>Close game.
>Confirm purchase.
It was worth every cent god damn it.
Obligatory romance post.
>tfw no Neleeta
my.mixtape.moe/mzzrlt.webm
This fucking seneschal
>>344025951
>three skills PER weapon
ie AT LEAST 6 or more
>>344026715
>Game lets you romance and fuck literal children with no ambiguity
>Totally flew under the radar with nobody giving a shit
To this day I still can't believe it.
>>344028693
Because they're all ugly as shit and have the worst personalities.
>>344028693
Npc kids in the game are completely irrelevant.
Why the hell would you be talking and giving them gifts for?
when you get access to double jump and dodge roll
>>343998247
>Calling ogres giants
>Calling cyclopes ogres
CEASE THIS TOMFOOLERY AT ONCE
>>344030017
>Gave Pip lots of presents because I thought it'd change something during his quest
>Do the same to Simone
>Pip rapes me
>Symone shows up during the final cutscene though somehow
This game is weird.
