>Angels are actually the bad guys and demons are actually the good guys.
>the terrorists are the "good guys"
>>343952876
>angels and demons are just aliens from another planet
>you actually live on a flat nacelle created by an ancient race that just looks like a planet from your perspective
>Angels are the bad guys
>But wait, they're not actually angels, just filthy half-elves with augmentations
>They just like to think they're angels
>Demons? Never heard of 'em
>>343953513
Diablo?
>>343952876
I've never looked at this image because I avoid braindead frogposters, and I always assumed those were tons of flies/bees swarming out of the bag. I'm saying this because I want the fact that I'm calling you retarded to really settle in.
You're actually more retarded than I am.
>>343954097
Might and Magic
>>343954097
Isn't D3 kind of like, both are bad?
>>343954097
real life
>>343954368
D3 is retarded
>>343953761
Come again?
>>343952876
>Frogposter knows he's dumb
>>343953761
Mmm sounds like Tales of Symphonia
>>343954368
Kinda
Demons want to live it up and tear shit down
Angels want them to stop shitting in their yards and egging their houses and get a haircut and put on a fucking shirt while you're at it, jesus fuck you're an embarassment
One day a demon and angel fuk'd and the offspring was stronger than either parent, so both sides were scared they'd join the other side, so they want to kill them before that happens.
>Satan is an asshole.
>God is an asshole.
>Humanity is fucked either way.
>the monsters were all once humans
> humans are the angels
>>343952876
>Angels and Demons view mortals in the same helpful yet expendable light
>Antagonist wants to kill god/become god
>>343953761
>Love interest is supposedly daughter of an angel
>lol no jk she's just the end result of a selective breeding program
>MC is actually the son of a half elf angel guy
>MC never permanently gets wings
Fucking Tales of symphonia.
>>343953253
>What is ira
>angels are actually highly advanced cyborgs from an ancient time that is now unknown to the general population who all live like in feudal times
>demons are actually extraterrestrial beings trying to conquer earth and people just connect them to their own myths and legends
>magic in general is just science
>>343955116
Kratos isn't a half elf though. The only reason Mithos tolerates him is because he helped Martel and him during the holy Karlan War.
>angels are literally all niggers with wings
diablo 3 is cuckold city
>Antagonist becomes god, kills god, or rewrites everything
>Fight the creator of the world as you know it
>His subordinate tries to warn you away several times but you ignore it, see it as a challenge
>Kill creator
>Ceases to exist
>>343954909
DmC pls
>>343954928
Next level horror if the process is described in game.
>tfw hearing how the Broodmother from DA:O is made
>>343953761
INFERIOR
BEEEANS
> angels and demons are two great alien empires that have been fighting for countless centuries
>>343955337
D3 is just bad. Stop inserting your own repressed cuck fetish into everything.
What game?
>>343955627
FLY AWAY NOW
>he's using "magic!"
>>343954928
>the humans are the offspring of monsters
>angels and demons are both fucking dickholes in different ways
>best ending has you murdering the fuck out of both
>>343955469
>tfw hearing how the Broodmother from DA:O is made
>>343955309
Good.
Was always told the four seraphim were all dirty half elves
>>343952876
I hate these threads, because the coolest concepts either don't exist, or are from some weebshit with retarded art style and god awful/grindfest gameplay.
>sci-fi galactic setting
>magic exists
>>343955246
Bunch of thugs that killed hundreds of innocent people. If you want 'good' terrorists then the ANC are the only ones who didn't target civilians primarily
>>343956309
I think the Kurds also make an attempt to target only cops/military, but they don't seem to care about collateral damage.
>>343953253
Xcom 2
>>343954368
Not really.
Angels are embody virtues and demons embody vices.
But the angels don't particularity care about people for the most part. They just understood too late that demons were using humans to boos their power.
>>343955469
>>343955850
>mfw
>>343955246
I thought you were talking about Ira from jagged alliance 2.
Why are the Japanese so eager to portray God and angels as bad guys?
It feels like a cultural thing.
>>343955974
What is bayonetta?
>>343956070
Fucking love this
>>343953253
Final Fantasy 7
>>343953253
mgs 2
>>343952876
MEND AND REPAIR
>The Rebels fighting the "Evil empire" are actually the bad guys
>You only find out when its too late
>>343958345
Because baka gaijins occupied japan after ww2 spreading their western religious nonesense
>>343954909
That's the plot to Preacher, anon.
>>343952876
stupid frogposter kill yourself
>empire is actually good
>you can hunt down the rebel scum
>>343958345
They don't understand the concept of Grace or Eternal Salvation. They see it as a big meanie with lots of power doing what he wants - as if the nature of God compares to their petty pagan politics of Shinto
>>343958345
They do it to their own gods, too. Any mythos is fair game if it makes for a good story.
>>343958796
ftl?
What is "Aion"
DING!
Awesome Premises With Godawful Delivery for 300, Alex.
>>343958796
>Empire is the bad
>you play as the Dragon awoken from eternal slumber to execute the dead Emperor's last edict: to destroy the traitorous rebels and annihilate their homeworld with no survivors
>angels are actually revealed to be demons
>ends
>sequel never comes
>game doesn't feature a story mode
>church is actually good
>they even have special agents capable of casting magic naturally in a setting where all magic is technology-based
>a very likable side character is revealed to be one of those agents
>he finishes off an escaped villain while humiliating him
>becomes the MC of a next game in series
>The "good guys" were actually liberal terrorists and the "bad guys" were the ones working towards progress
>>343959208
>MC created the empire but was forced to slumber for ages as he's an incomplete god
>when he wakes up current emperor tries to kill him
>goes as far as using a girl demigod fell in love with as an ammo for a magical nuke cannon
>it only makes MC mad as fuck
>>343958579
That was easily the most hardcore game in a long while. It was refreshing.
>>343959617
Legend of Heroes eh?
>>343959632
assassins creed
>>343960265
Yeah.
>>343953253
literally any game featuring the cliche small group of rebels fighting the big bad establishment
>church is an evil cult that does shady business in every town
>they have highwaymen that will attack you on sight in the streets
>you can still help them out and do some quests for them
>>343955437
Never played it, but why would the subordinates tell the protag that in a challenging way rather than saying, "please stop, we will all straight up cease to exist if you kill our creator." Or is the protag just dense?
>>343956070
It's a shame we don't have rivers of games based on this.
>>343958680
Top tier comic
>>343958621
What is Star Wars
>>343960836
Might and Magic, Wizardry, and Ultima all do this at some point in the series.
>>343952876
>the final boss is God
>you have to fight the pope who has deigned himself the one god
>>343955469
>this thread
>Demons are the bad guys.
>Angels are the bad guys.
>Humans are racists and also bad guys.
>Main party and some NPCs that get killed dramatically are the only people with morals.
>>343953253
Steel Ball Run
>>343955717
Doom 5 plot confirmed.
>>343960953
I want something "Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei"-like.
Imagine how cool it would be. You know any game like that senpai?
>>343960983
>you give the pope undertale
>>343959216
Let it go already.
>you have the power of God
Very difficult one.
>god creates angels
>rogue angels became demons
>humanity tries to find its way to god
>accidentally finds out that they were all born of demons
>keep it a secret because 'oops'
>light and dark
>both sides are necessary and no matter what you do will not "save" the world
>spooky endless cycle of terrible things happening
>>343961247
the mahouka vita game
>>343952876
name one dumb frogposter
>>343953253
Fuck you, Spec Ops
>>343962253
Yeah I like dark souls.
>>343962253
>Final Fantasy I
>>343962060
>reality
the fantasy game in my head is sorta like this, besides the demons being good part
both are assholes, angels just tricked humans into thinking their benign
>will never see the game become reality
feels bad man
>>343962987
That's just megaten in general.
>>343953253
Pixy did nothing wrong. AWWNB was right.
>>343962987
Every SMT game.
>>343962584
Not quite the answer was looking forbut
>>343953253
Sweden
>>343963340
>you will never get a game detailing Solo Wing Pixy's exploits
>you will never hear the music ramp up as you lose your wing, your controls get sluggish, and you keep on fighting
>you will never hear the screams of opposition pilots panicking as your jet, flames and sparks guttering out its side, continues to take down one of their comrades after another
>>343962987
Aion was like this. There were also other games where angels were real assholes but they escape me at the moment.
>not portraying them both as morally gray with different philosophies
>>343963646
>>343959093
You know it, broski.
>>343958621
Red Dead Redemption
>>343958345
It is. Japan can't into dualism.
>>343952876
>Angels are actually the bad guys and demons are bad guys who used to be angels
>>343952876
But that's how it is. Anything else would be unrealistic and false.
>Ancient deities were a bunch of bored assholes
>They fuck with the present just to see if anything interesting happens
>angels are incomprehensible horrors
>>343961247
The Shadowrun games, kinda.
>angels are just normal looking dudes without wings or anything
>you're related to the main villain
>>343952876
>the church is evil
Go fuck yourself japan
>>343969287
>the church is both good and evil
>>343958345
in japanese mythology, gods are mostly dickheads who fuck with humanity because they have nothing else better to do.
>>343958632
the portugese did it first in the 16th century and japan didn't give much of a fuck until the shimabara rebellion (there was a ban on the religion at the time, but it wasn't really enforced because japan can't be fucked to enforce laws unless a bigwig gets annoyed), where a bunch of ronin and peasants who happened to be christian fucked with the shogunate and got their asses savagely handed to them. afterwards, japan kicked the portugese out and started persecuting christians.
>>343969549
IT's not much of a spoiler if it's in the FUCKING FILENAME
>god and the angels don't do anything, they just watch
>demons act either good or evil
>good demons are just as bad as evil demons to the heavens
>>343971483
>tfw you still can hear her screams and the shock on the anchors face
god damn
>>343952876
what is disgaea
>>343971483
>angels treat good demons worse than evil demons because it alters fate and shit
>>343963340
Open borders faggot
>>343960738
>not getting so mad that you're willing to destroy the known universe just to get your revenge
>>343966985
dwarf fortress
>>343954368
everyone except Tyrael is a dick, Tyrael is nice because he's using humanity for his own purposes.
Seize the power and free yourself Nephilim
>>343966985
>you find out later in the game that "angels" are actually monsters and demons being worshiped by uneducated people
>>343953513
Evangerion
>>343955627
ff12?
>get so mad you kill God and reset the universe
>>343955627
>best angel sister is flat
>best demon sister is flat
fucking why?
I blame this phenomenon on a popular misinterpretation of paradise lost by new age intellectuals.
>>343975584
good tastes
>>343975073
Occuria aren't angels, and aren't "bad guys" any more than Venat is m8
>angels and demons are both evil and merely follow respective deities who couldn't give a damn about humanity
>demons are monstrous, mutated creatures
>angels are people who forcibly extract hundreds of souls of innocents to power themselves up
>you're a bunch of rebels stuck in the middle with some ordinary humans as well as detractors from both sides
>gameplay has a counter system where you can stack your abilities in response to angelic or demon encounters
>>343953253
Any star wars game in the old trilogy
>>343976115
>yfw you realise the entirety of 12 was pointless and you didn't set the occuria back at all
>>343953513
ar nosurge?
>>343976224
What the fuck are you talking about? The Sun-cryst was destroyed, alongside the two tools to make magicite from it and Reddas. There's no more magicite left and the Occuria can't make any more, so they've lost their way to influence history.
Also, they're as good as they are bad - by my money the true antagonist is still the power trio of Cid/Vayne/Venat, and you definitely set those three way back
>Protag is not actually Saren
>>343976498
>What the fuck are you talking about? The Sun-cryst was destroyed, alongside the two tools to make magicite from it and Reddas. There's no more magicite left and the Occuria can't make any more, so they've lost their way to influence history.
First of all you said magicite instead of nethicite
Secondly... pic related.
>>343976745
Sorry, I'm tired.
M8, if they could make nethicite from the Great Crystal without ordering a person to do it with the Sword of Kings or Treaty-Blade, Venat wouldn't be so glad that the Sun-Cryst (which is explicitly stated to be the source of nethicite) was destroyed.
Meanwhile, nowhere is it stated that the Great Crystal is made of Nethicite (only magicite). Not even the core in the middle that's spewing Mist all over the place is stated to be Nethicite, it's only guessed but never stated.
>>343977203
The characters literally say there's enough nethicite there to destroy the whole world.
All they have to do is carve off a chunk of it. And as for the blades they literally made the treaty blade on the spot, I'm sure the literal gods could do so again.
Then again 12's plot is secretly the most hole filled of all the final fantasies except maybe 13.
>>343976115
oh no, I thought he was asking what his picture represented. either ff12 or ffta
>>343977534
Nethicite where? At the Great Crystal? They don't know for sure it's nethicite. I don't think that the Occuria would call the Sun-Cryst the source of all nethicite if the core of the Great Crystal was also nethicite, considering you have to get to the core to even meet the Occuria.
Sure, they can make another Treaty-blade if they want, but with no Sun-cryst there's no nethicite, so why bother? Venat would have attacked Giruvegan and tried to destroy the nethicite there, too - remember, that is Venat's ultimate goal, to free history from the reins of the Occuria, and the way they rein in history is using nethicite
>>343972132
Story behind this?
>god is not the bad guy
>>343978819
The top of the GC is blackened, which is what nethicite does when it's drained. Clearly the megastructure of the crystal is nethicite with the core pouring out mist to power it up.
So roughly 80% of the crystal is still powered up, and one can only assume it's where the sun cryst came from.
>>343979203
A guy shot a reporter and her cameraman while they were in the middle of an interview.
>>343979378
Ok, but you're making 100% assumptions and they aren't consistent with how the parties concerned with Nethicite (Occuria on one side, Venat on the other) behave in regards to the Sun-cryst.
Sorry m8, it doesn't add up. I don't see the Great Crystal being Nethicite.
>>343979203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueNS871caps
>>343952876
what is Diablo I II and III
Tyreal is lengthening man's suffering and punishment for his sins by preventing Diablo from destroying it and restarting the clock
>>343979957
whoa
>>343952876
How is that surprising? That's how it is traditionally.
>>343952876
>vampires are the good guys
>>343980882
source of that japanese lewd animation?
>>343981154
Replace the butt part of the filename with another word for buttsex
>>343981154
Kyuuketsuki
>>343981331
>>343981327
Thanks, pink hair is my weakness.
>>343953253
You mean rebels/freedom fighters
>>343952876
>>Angels are actually the bad guys and demons are actually the good guys.
Shit like this has gotten tiresome.
>>343974941
So, basically any JRPG
>Angels are actually the bad guys
>Demons aren't much better
>Hybrids are the worst of all
>And humans are completely useless, being so far down the power list they're practically irrelevant.
>>343966985
This is how they are described in the old testament. Well, not horrific, but absolutely fucking terrifying.
You should read Helck. It's where humanity turns into mind warped/controlled angels and the demons are the good guys except for one human
>everyones a dick
>you just kill them all with pure codensed rage
Asura is the best
>Main Character it's a super special snowflake with a profetic destiny, born from royal blood, and trained by the best of the best, on his way everyone calls him the chosen one and by the end of the game you practically can one shot everything and anything
>Main Character it's a literally who, no back history, no reason for him to reach a high powerlevel, no reason for him to be in the middle of the main plot at all
>Developers think you can emphatize with both archetypes and use them constantly
Which one is worse?
>all of the bosses are your sisters
>>343982706
The worst is when the mix the two together.
>>343982706
>which one is worse?
the pleb living on the sewer who turned out to be the prophecy child and gets to fuck the loli princess at the end
>>343982706
the MCs that just stumble into the position are the best ones though
>>343982706
The second one. At least the former makes sense being trained for his role.
>>343982706
The second one can work in something like Dark Souls or Dragon's Dogma where the MC is the first one in a group of people that goes back a long time that manages to get shit done.
>God and Demons are both evil and shady as fuck
>You have to save humanity yourself
Neon Genesis Evangelion, anybody?
>>343961490
What the actual fuck are you talking about.
I hope you're not implying DMC does ANYTHING remotely like this.
>>343956070
Warhammer 40k
.........and that's all I can recall
>everyone in the whole damn game is evil except one innocent child
>>343952876
>hell is just a place where the devil and demons chill
I want this american heresy to stop.
>>343990416
>DMC4
>>343953253
Golden Sun
>Goody good justice-believing MC and his band >wants to stop the bad guys but ironically their good noble and just actions are the ones that will destroy the world instead had they not failed all the time.
>Dragon people and a traitor of the MC's village
>believes in "the ends justify the means" methods and do things that apparently destroy the world but is actually trying to save it
>capitalism is evil
>>343981436
Even Otome Dori? :^)
So basically Luminous Arc?
>Angels want to torture humans under the guise of purging their sin
>Demons just want to torture you for fun
>>343953253
Deus Ex!
>>343958345
Because it's very easy to interpret Him in varying shades of malevolence and dictatorship
>>343998167
>Him
*tips raped child*
>>343952876
Why did froggy open the bag of bees?
>>343953761
>It's was just a plan to revive a beloved one at the expanse of others
>Everything comfy and wholesome is actually racist and we should all destroy America and vote for Bernie Sanders
>demons aren't actually evil, they just do whatever they want
>humans constantly try to pull some nonsensical scheme
>you play as the demons who have to stop the batshit humansDisgaea is great.
>>343970235
>in japanese mythology, gods are mostly dickheads who fuck with humanity because they have nothing else better to do.
To be fair this is the case in most polytheistic religions. Zeus LOVED rape.
>>343971483
I loved this about TES. The 9's influence was ambiguous at best, but the Daedra were very real and constantly fucked with humans for better or worse.
Man it really saddens me how shitty Beth has become. TES has some awesome lore that'll never truly be realised. I really hope they let Arkane make a NV esc spinoff. Dishonored had some cool worldbuilding.
