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Why did they change his face?
The original face conveyed a so much determination, and was downright intimidating. Say what you will about Link as a character, but his N64 incarnation had the face of a hero.
The new face is just so bland and lifeless. Such a pointless downgrade.
>>343910335
>b-but muh soulfulness
Fuck off hes a self insert and thats it
>>343910764
The original face is still better for that purpose.
![upxkWCL[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/K1Tmvx8.png "upxkWCL[1].png")
>>343910335
He's not alone.
>>343910335
Old one looks downey, new is better.
>>343910335
>bland and lifeless
Leave summerfag
>>343910335
>graphical upgrade
>they changed his face!
Idiot.
>play as the hero of time again in botw
Can't fucking wait
>>343910335
>from flatface to flatface
wew sure is impressive from 2016 devs
Link looks like a faggot now so that both men and women can identify with him.
It's some bullshit.
>>343911920
You mean Venom Link, a clone of the real Link?
>>343911591
>barely see his face
>his eyes contrast a lot
>gives that spookiness sensation
>new one you can see everything clear as day
>eyes don't contrast that much
At least in the 3DS version you can see his face.
N64 it's all dark because of technical limitations.
>>343912234
Shut the fuck up faggot
>>343910335
They remade all of the models to look like the concept and promotional art in the remakes, so that's what he's really supposed to look like.
>>343910335
>little fuccboi
>intimidating
Lul
I love how as the make more games he slowly becomes more and more of an effeminate twinky elf boy
Look at him now, I'd smash
>>343910335
>>343912419
I'm saying that it's gonna turn out that's not the real Link incarnation you dense nigger.
>>343912789
WOW ANOTHER STRAP OVER DESIGNED BULLSHIT
>>343910335
>original artwork
Maybe the original face isnt what he was supposed to look like, but ended up looking like that due to technical difficulties. Then with the update they got to show the link they wanted to all along
>>343912789
>Link clearly has a new sword
>Still called the kokiri sword
This always bugged me
>>343912507
It doesn't look like it.
>>343911591
I won't really argue against the handheld remakes looking a lot worse. But the reason pretty much every dark scene of the original is much brighter in the remakes, is exactly because they're on handhelds.
We have backlit displays on our handhelds nowadays, but it's still made in this way in case people were to play the games in shit lighting.
>>343910335
Remakes are shit, they are always shit, they will never not be shit, and they will never not ruin everything with shittier designs.
i don't know why people want remakes so badly of classic games, the originals are already perfect
>>343913305
Then you're bind. Because he does.
Not that anon, btw.
>>343912748
Are those hips edited?
>>343913659
>t. the Nostalgia goggles company
>>343911591
wasn't the right pic taken during the thunder flash?
>>343913659
The double screen for maps, items, etc alone makes the 3DS remake worth it over N64. Not having to pause the game and go to the menu makes it much more fluent and smooth.
You're just a nostalgiafag.
>>343913206
>Then with the update they got to show the link they wanted to all along
If George Lucas has taught us anything, it's that this is never a good idea.
>>343913849
>thunder
>flash
That's not how that works, son.
YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES
NINTENDO CANNOT DO ANY WRONG
STOP CRITICISING THEM
>>343913678
The facial structure, eye shape, expression, and coloring are completely different.
>>343913659
REmake
>>343910335
I don't really mind the OOT remake, but MM got shafted a bit in terms of art direction, face aside.
>>343913849
Nope.
https://youtu.be/8RDWfZj6VjA?t=753
>>343913890
Also the text runs faster and with less forced "slow" text boxes that you can't skip or speed up. Getting through cutscenes is substantially quicker than the 64 version.
>>343914068
I disagree. The MM remake was still draped in purples, greens, and reds. I think they got it down.
>>343910335
short answer is grezzo is garbage. they changed more than just models they also changed animations and somehow made them even worse cause instead of taking the original animations and interpolating between the absent frames considering the N64 zeldas only ran at 20 fps, they just made new animations altogether and the people who did them apparently have never seen anyone do anything ever nor did they even playtest the game cause half of their new animations don't even flow into each other and there's just a bunch of weird jarring visual fuckups as one animation takes over from the last.
grezzo is fucking horrible garbage and they need to suck dicks.
>>343913659
Super Star Ultra is a thing you know.
>>343914154
You're right, I also noticed the faster text.
There's alot of subtle details they changed for the better. The only ones complaining about the 3DS remake are people who havent given it a chance because muh nostalgia.
>>343914441
Iwata is also garbage for entrusting a third party discount licensing studio with one of Nintendo's most important franchises.
The fact iwata died of cancer is poetry cause he literally was the cancer killing nintendo.
>>343914780They nerfed the fuck out of Suplex
>>343913849
No but it was taken with a shitty camera though
>>343914068
More like they fixed it. The mood in MM may be dark but the palette was clearly always meant to be colorful, N64 just made it muddier and browner than it should have been.
>>343914086
Original:
>Ganon is constantly kept in shadows, only illuminated by brief flashes of lightning
>this serves to make him more intimidating and enigmatic, and lends dramatic weight to the fight
>it's also an elegant way to compensate for lackluster graphical fidelity
Remake:
>slrghtssfsdrgdgtdhasbdasmas
Quality from limitations.
>>343910335
I think they basically just reused the OoT model.
I was mostly pleased with the OoT 3D remake, my only real gripes were minor (useless dpad, some lighting issues, rock blocking the well), although it would have been nice if they had added an bonus area/dungeon.
MM 3D on the other hand was not faithful enough to the source and the developers missed a lot of what made the N64 version great- mostly concerning the atmosphere of the game. They spent nearly three times as long developing the remake as it did to make the original, and still failed to make a superior game. Reading interviews it seems Aonuma regretted a lot of the best features of the game and instead of enhancing those aspects he tried to "fix" them. I wouldn't be surprised if he intentionally directed them to take away his determined looks.
>>343914821
I'm playing it for the first time right now and as a long time OoT fan with many many playthroughs on 64, GC, and emulators - it feels like a better version. For the reasons mentioned in this thread already. It feels definitive, though obviously I'm playing without the 3D gimmick on.
I noticed the faster text and cutscene length during the Great Deku Tree's death scene. In the original version, the camera would slow down and dramatically pan into his face at different angles while he slowly gave a speech you couldn't skip. Now it all takes place from a static shot of Link laying down listening at his own pace. It's certainly preferable for someone who's had to watch those cutscenes a thousand times.
>>343911869
>they change his face
>WHOA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IDIOT IT'S JUST A GRAPHICAL UPDATE
>>343910335
the whole "remake" is fucking shit aside from framerate improvements, slapping high poly characters on a nintendo 64 game was the worst idea ever, it looks like dogshit, it's completely censored and the lighting is fucking gay thanks to the kiddie 3ds processing power
>>343913240
>same blade
>different hilt
It's the same sword, he just had some work done so it wouldn't break in his hand you autistic, diaper breath, cock munching fuck nugget
>>343910335
>let's take the 1998 with the best lighting engine of that era for consoles
>and let's fucking butcher it! yay!
>>343913240
>you can't customize your weapons to fit your aging body, no you must keep your sticks till you die!
>>343914861
I didn't use it as much as i did Mirror.
>>343913659
>implying it's a remake
I bet you think the DS version of mario 64 is a remake as well you flaming homo.
OOT Remake will be NX exclusive
>>343916742
What's it feel like being retarded?
>>343917093
nice argument sir fagalot don't forget your lance on the way out
>>343912748
fuck off faggot
I hope you get ass cancer and die in pain
>>343916321
>it's completely censored
No, it isn't. Stop perpetuating that falsehood you nigger.
>>343917176
How is it not a remake then retard?
The face is just fine, it's certainly more expressive than the blank stare Link had before, though not nearly as emotive as what he had in Wind Waker.
>>343913357
Woah, I never thought about it that way anon.
I wonder what kind of compromises the future holds for VR remakes.
>>343917519
Because it's literally the same fucking game copy-pasted, remakes don't just tweak some graphics and call it a day, they changed 2 fucking things and make little quality of life improvements, there is NOTHING remade here, it's the same fucking 1998 game with no new content added, heck it's even the same fucking engine! MARIO 64 ENGINE IN 2016, WEW, and on top of that it wasn't even made by nintendo, but a third party that knows fuck all about the game and used design works documents to translate everything to 3DS like wage slaves, fucking kek nintendo, nice chinese company you fucks worship.
![RZyezYO[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2nQ3yxw.jpg "RZyezYO[1].jpg")
The only thing OoT 3D did was was give Omega Force an easy out for model importing, so the OoT costume in Hyrule Warriors is low texture and too bright in contrast to Link's high res face.
>>343918009
>FFVII remake
>completely scraps gameplay and puts it out in episodes
Nice example
>>343918326
>did wrong
Words.
![J-Jonah-Jameson-laughing[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VCm6kPu.jpg "J-Jonah-Jameson-laughing[1].jpg")
>>343916483
>Manly fucking backpack
>>343918009
>>343918469
It's still a literal example of a remake. OoT3D is a REMASTER you fucking donut.
>>343913659
Contra - The Alien Wars EX
Metroid Zero Mission
Shining Force - Resurrection of the Dark Dragon
Lunar 1 and 2
Heiankyo Alien
Adventures of Mana
Eat a dick you fucking casual.
>>343910335
They made his mouth a bit wider. Everything else was just a touch up on the textures.
RIP
Max Payne
>>343918469
>that deflection
It's still a remake. It's still creating the game from the ground up with new assets.
>>343911591
While they could have kept some shadows on his face to make the eyes more menacing, it's hardly that much of a "downgrade" to the scene overall.
Hell, most people have wanted to see the transformation without all that DARKNESS blocking out details.
>>343918469
>completely scraps gameplay and puts it out in episodes
The hell does that have to do with anything? Changed gameplay doesn't invalidate its status as a REMAKE. You are factually wrong if you think a remake has to have the same gameplay as the original game and be released as a complete package right from the get-go.
>>343911591
Stop posting the bait this is how it looked on 3ds.
>>343919792
there are some people who don't think ALBW is a remake of ALTTP. welcome to videogames. lots of people here have autism.
>>343919932
Hardly much better, senpai.
>>343920103
I agree the original is better but that anon's picture is just simply there for baiting purposes
>>343910941
Because you are grumpy 24/7 and thus it fits you betteR?
![big_1462398719_image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bkHXQEv.jpg "big_1462398719_image[1].jpg")
>>343919358
Hell, most people have wanted to know what The Force was without all that mysticism blocking out details.
>>343913659
Some games need remakes because of flaws
See: Final Fantasy 8 and System Shockyou could say they're fine as is, but that's subjective
Some remakes also add more things to the original game. I liked Super Star Ultra
>>343912234
You mean Phantom Link.
>My very own phantom, huh?
>>343918009
Cloud looks like he hasn't eaten in days and does coke on the regular.
>>343910335
>pointless bitching intensifies
>/v/ autism has gained 4 points
>>343910335
They slightly altered the eyebrows and mouth to be in more of a neutral position, since Link remains stoic throughout most of the game.
The new one absolutely looks better. You can argue it removes some of Link's personality but to be totally honest he had none to begin with, OoT Link is a traditional silent RPG self insert hero with a small handful of comic relief scenes thrown in where he actually emotes.
>but his N64 incarnation had the face of a hero.
Link doesn't become a hero until he grows up anyway, your scene if from when he's still leaving Kokiri Forest. Part of OoT's narrative was that he grew into his role after the timeskip and wasn't ready to take on the challenge as a child.
>>343911591
Shitty camera aside the darker lit areas being brightened actually was a downgrade. I know it was because of ghosting issues with the 3D but frankly the 3D wasn't a good tradeoff, I'm pretty sure most people turned that off after a few minutes.
At least the areas meant to be brighter and happier look great with the new visuals, the modern Kokiri Forest is a lot more vivid and whimsical.
the first face Link is clearly suffering from toxic masculinity. Second face is a much less triggering anita approved beta Link
>>343916109
It pretty much is the definitive version, they even kept most of the glitches. The only thing keeping it from away is lack of c-stick camera, some touch-only controls, and of course being on a handheld. If they ever touch it up for a console release it will be the best version outside of nostalgia.
>>343920256
How did you know?
>>343913357
no it's because the 3ds doesn't know what lighting is.
>>343919932
framing is still god awful
>there are people who turn the 3D on with their 3DS
>>343921359
Experience
>>343921546
>six fingers
We can all agree Grezzo is terrible and literally any other studio could have done a better job, right?
>>343921546
I have never flipped it even once.
>>343911591
Fuck, I remember the transformation on N64. All you can see is his silhouette and glowing eyes transforming into Ganon.
It just looks fucking awful in the 3ds remake. You can see everything.
>>343921546
I'd turn it on for a few games if it actually worked when farther than 30cm from your face.
That range really proves this is a toy for children.
A shame because sometimes I'd love to have it on, it really helps the tiny screen feel better.
>>343921546
i feel like graphics are sharper with 3D turned on desu
>>343913742
Theyre not
>>343920423
Literally not the same situation. People wanted to see what Ganon looks like, there was never meant to be any "mysticism" to his appearance you dingus.
>>343910335
He's not supposed to be intimidating. He's a fucking child.
>>343910335
who the fuck thought checkpoint BEFORE tower escape is a good idea?
>no one posted the one comparing Link and Saria on the bridge
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/FaSpjAr.jpg "latest[2].png")
>>343922138
I refer you to this gentleman >>343921815
I often hear that Ganon's design from OOT is the best in the entire series, even from people who aren't really fans of the game. As someone who loves the game, I don't think it's really the design they're talking about, but rather the presentation of the fight itself, like this post said >>343915449
You can see his official design here. It's a perfectly fine design, but I don't think it's that amazing. What makes it work so well in motion is the lack of lighting, the beady eyes glowing in the dark, his form briefly illuminated by lightning strikes.
Sometimes, less is more.
>>343921546
>There are people whose shitty eyesight gives them cramps with 3D on.
Sucks to be you, I enjoy the games that actually support the 3D properly. Sadly that's not too many.
Hold I wanna say something speaking of this remake. While I think it was a downgrade in almost every aspect and looked pretty bad.
You cannot deny this was done 1million times better than the original.
Also, the death's mountain fire ring, which is my favorite thing in the entire game, looks at least pretty decent in the remake. Not as good but still pretty awesome.
>>343923296
The eyes are still shrouded in some darkness, just not the same amount as the N64 version since it would have been impossible to see shit on the tiny screen. And the fight is still plenty intimidating as he stomps around and slashes any thoughtless player to ribbons for thinking they can just go up and start slashing him. Being able to see more detail is hardly a bad thing.
Was the N64 zelda engine one of the best ones gameplay wise? I've always thought about this since for example, twilight princess was not as fun despite being a newer game with a newer engine.
I'm also surprised nobody has made their own zelda64 from mods alone. A third N64 zelda game would be interesting.
>tfw the latest /v/ fad is to attack Ocarina of Time
Leave my childhood alone faggots
Shitty parts of the remake were the Well and the fight with Ganon, everything else was fine if not betterGerudo Tits
And contra to the popular believe on here, Majoras Mask looked better than the original in every way, especially the fight against Majora.
>>343911698
>calling other summerfags
>on /v/
>>343924141
What was wrong with the well? They didn't censor anything, if that's what you're on about.
>>343924127
Fuck off newfag
>>343924320
>While many of the character models and environments in this new edition of Ocarina have seen numerous flourishes and details added, some things have been removed altogether. One such example is the lack of blood in the Bottom of the Well area in Kakariko Village. In the original version of the game, the Bottom of the Well looked like a chamber of horrors, with blood splatter and apparent torture devices littered about. Ocarina 3D diminishes the gore in this new version to almost nothing
>>343924061
Yes. The OoT engine was fantastic. The wind waker engine was just as good but they changed just enough for TP to make it retarded.
We should have had a brand new 3D zelda game using the OoT engine on the 3DS after they'd remade Ocarina of Time but I guess that's never happening.
It's fucking sad that the only Zelda games on the 3DS are either full or virtual remakes of previous games.
Goddamn the 3DS might be my least favorite purchase i've ever made.
>>343924484
The blood is still there, it's just not as vibrant looking to give the impression the tortures happened long ago instead of recently. Seriously, anyone with the game can see the splatters are still there, only faded.
>>343924127
It's not a latest /v/ fad they've been doing it ever since Egoraptor released his autistic video about not understanding relative position in 3D video games and how Ocarina of Time was the first game that made him realize how retarded he was.
it's just part of /v/ now.
>>343916483
I miss the chunky art of the old Pokemon games, back when half the pokemon were fat little shits and everyone looked like manlets.
>>343924127
We're not attacking OOT, we're attacking the remastered version.
If anything, this thread is glorifying the N64 originals.
>>343925279
What do you "we're"? It's a pretty decent split between people who don't like the 3DS version and people who like it.
>>343925494
He was clearly referring to people who attack the remastered edition, since they could be mistaken for people who attack the actual game. People who defend the remastered edition are presumably fans of the game in general.
There's no real negativity towards the game itself in this thread, only towards certain editions.
>>343925494
The 3DS version is shit. People can't have an opinion there.
>>343924887
85 fucking episodes they took to finish that damn game.
85 FUCKING EPISODES.
>>343921546
I mean, it look just fine on the new 3DS now that it has super stable 3D.
It just ghosts a lot on darker colors if they didn't take that into consideration and make the game look bright.
>>343926796
If you average each episode to like 10 minutes that's only like 14-15 hours. Isn't that supposed to be a good length for a game? Especially from people who aren't that great at games.
>>343917875
>2016 (predicted)
Its dat boi o shit waddup
>>343926796
>>343927346
Ocarina Of Time is a pretty lengthy game. However, he did absolutely zero optional content, and he did use a walkthrough.
Man, I didn't even think it was possible to be as bad at OOT as Arin is. His ineptitude was mindblowing at times.
>>343910335
>bland and pointless
reflects Nintendo's current state
>>343925494
Anyone that likes the 3DS version are degenerate subhuman trash. Worthless opinions.
>>343911591
The problem here is his expression. In the original his eyes are more narrow and his mouth is wide open, making the face of a man who's so fucking mad he's about to pop every blood vessel in his body. While in the remake it looks like he's taking taking it pretty well.
>>343929935
doesn't help much that his hand is half the width of his forearm in the remake.
manletmode activate.
>>343923750
The original bridge had character and was atmospheric.
![c3bc2469764c521d06dd511c9ef7d821[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/u8cz8Yp.jpg "c3bc2469764c521d06dd511c9ef7d821[1].jpg")
>>343930808
When that remix of the title theme from ALTTP plays.
