What went so right?
>>343868419
I've found the community to be really friendly so that helped me into staying.
Nothing. Its one of the worst mmos on the market.
It managed to stay alive with a sizable playerbase, which I guess is the best accomplishment an MMO can achieve these days
>>343868419
Haven't subbed since savage alex. Any reason to come back? Seriously, i've considered it.
>>343868983
endless dungeon in the next update
Not sure how this shit works
I enjoyed it, but there's a couple of things I really wish they did differently.
I wish there was more incentive to talk to people. I also wish HW wasn't just a reskin of ARR.
>>343868806
Explain.
>>343869329
I'll look into it. Thanks
>>343868419
Nothing, that game is crazy boring.
Been playing since 1.0, run an FC that does patch centric endgame, master crafter gatherer, and a class for each archetype, ask me anything.
The game is mediocre and is a sour slap in the face for multiple reasons, but its the best thing on the market currently because of how things degraded.
pic related for filthy shame based proof
>>343870493
>Been playing since 1.0
What a shiteater
>>343870493
>The game is mediocre and is a sour slap in the face for multiple reasons, but its the best thing on the market currently because of how things degraded.
I've resubbed to XIV more than I'd like to admit for this exact reason.
>>343870915
In the end it comes down to MMO's being a social game, none of the achievements or grinds are worth a damn unless your sharing them with like minded individuals. For all its flaws, this is where the people I care about are and because of that im sticking to it. I'd move if something objectively better came along, and wait for people to follow suit, but nothing simply has.
No true sandbox games have come out in recent years that were anything but repackaged failure korean games that new devs looking to milk sunk their claws into before shredding the games apart. Nothing but theme parks and chat emulators time and time again.
The issue is simply that MMO's were created for a different generation, with different incentives and interests. We are no longer a realistic demographic, people who want aw world to explore and be a part of, the best we can hope for is group cooperative challenges you can overcome for a sense of community. Worlds are replaced by raidfinders and hubs.
And for the record, pvp is almost never worthwhile, in ANY MMO, barring vanilla WoW and the short lived Warhammer game.
>>343868419
Everything 2.3+ until it fell horribly flat on it's face with HW.
Fuck, ARR was magical in it's prime, then the expansion got shilled so hard it brought a wave of wowfugees over that the community hasn't been able to recover from even though the playerbase has gone on a mass exodus since 3.0
>>343868419
Nothing? It's like the epitome of a modern dumbed down themepark MMO.
>>343871359
>The issue is simply that MMO's were created for a different generation, with different incentives and interests. We are no longer a realistic demographic, people who want aw world to explore and be a part of, the best we can hope for is group cooperative challenges you can overcome for a sense of community. Worlds are replaced by raidfinders and hubs.
Lol, 90% of players would gladly agree on the auto grouping in the SW Galaxies back then
Different generation, my ass
Why people who obviously don't know shit about mmo genre always try to spread their worthless opinions? Even worse when they came with ways to "fix" genre without even understanding fundamental problems of modern mmo. This is why we have people who think that "pristine" servers in wow are good idea
>>343872060
Nostalgia creeping over your eyes hard friend, 2.0 Was incredibly shit.
>>343872060
2.3+ was around the time they started introducing some of the more interesting mechanics to the game.
It felt like maybe Yoshi was following through on his promise to appeal to the old school crowd once XIV had an established playerbase.
Then HW happened and I got cucked.
>>343869709
Not him, but it falls short in a lot of areas for a modern MMO.
Don't get me wrong, if we are going to compare this shit to WoW and other tab target MMOs, then it wins hand down.
Problem is, it could do so much more with the current tech at hand. The customization for characters is incredibly limiting, and the combat is dated garbage.
>>343868419
Its a good looking run-of-the-mill MMO with the FF coat of paint slapped onto it. Works for me (but definitely could be better).
I just started and to be honest BDO is more engaging. XIV is a disgrace to XI. It is just another themepark.
>>343868419
Less than 200k players and decreasing....
Look at this empty overworld devoid of life... How can you claim anything went right?
>>343868419
Glad I quit back in November.
Having come from XI, this game is a giant slap in the face.
If it weren't for friends, I probably wouldn't have even bothered playing for as long as I did.
>>343872357
>>343872060
2.0+ SEEMED good because they were implementing things that were supposed to be ready for launch. They were able to push out quality content each patch because it was mostly done. Then the expansion came out and they did a collective "Oh shit, now what?" and exposed themselves as hacks.
>>343872692
>started f2p game
>implying XI wasn't generic themepark
Are you retarded or something?
I really want a different MMO to play, 'FFXIV but much better', unfortunately it doesn't exist right now.
>>343873218
Are you implying XI was anywhere near as much of a themepark as XIV?
>>343873564
Well, yes
There themepark and sandbox mmo, no middle ground
But if you want to talk about themepark levels:
Everquest: you visited themepark by yourself and looking on the many interesting things
XI: you visited themepark by yourself, but it's just a poor made copy of everquest themepark, there nothing to do except screaming on the gooks using auto translator
WoW; Someone holds your hand but there many interesting things to do
XIV: good copy of wow themepark
>>343872864
>Having come from XI
Opinion discarded
I think you need to try TESO, it's like XI a very poorly made clone of popular mmo
>>343873929
Bait or just a really shitty opinion. The world may never know.
>>343872732
>my face when i actually enjoy the void, empty world of other players
Everyone on my servers jerks it around the marketboard 24/7. I rarely see anyone out in the world, but I actually don't mind it like that.
>>343874191
No arguments?
As expected from the XI shit eater
I bet you actually think that it was sandbox or something, lol
>>343873218
Is a theme park not where the game holds your hand and guides you past the content like one is on a ride? FFXI was really about going out into the world on your own and finding out what was on offer.
>>343874191
It's probably both
>>343874386
Oh boy, XIshitters don't even know that "theme park" means, but still using this word
>>343874521
Was just asking, but perhaps you would care to define it? I did like XI better then XIV but I also got 3 jobs to 60 in XIV so its not like I hated it just didn't hold me as long.
>>343874746
Sandbox=your own adventure and content is usually player generated(SWG, ultima, darkfall)
Themepark=here is content, go look at it(EQ, WoW)
Things like "FFXI was really about going out into the world on your own and finding out what was on offer" you can say about literally any mmo, even WoW
> I did like XI better then XIV
Only because your taste is bad, there was nothing good about this game
>>343872692
>XI
I'll concede to the community aspect of FFXI, but that game was such a massive time sink to get anything done. Fuck that shit.
>>343873929
>>343874298
>Hating on XI because you can't stop sucking EQs dick
I can honestly say that EQ, AC, DAoC, and XI have been the only MMOs I ever found remotely enjoyable. While they all borrowed from previous entries in the genre, none came near the level of copy-paste and watering down that is WoW and its ilk.
Flash in the pan. Was at the right place at the right time (WoW getting worse and worse) on top of the fact that Final Fantasy is a marketable IP with an already semi successful MMO under its belt. I'm surprised the shitty initial 2010 release didn't take too much steam out of its momentum.
>>343872732
>pan way the fuck out with the camera
>Look at this empty overworld devoid of life
2/10 for making me reply
>>343875220
>XI
>Literally copypasted EQ with less everything and both more casual and tedious at the same time
Wow, XIkid even brings others mmo because he wants to pretend that his opinion worth shit
But nope, DAoC, EQ and anarchy online(never touched Acheron call) were mostly original
XI was literally copypasted garbage from the successful mmo, and they couldn't even do that right, unlike WoW and XIV
>>343875226
>I'm surprised the shitty initial 2010 release didn't take too much steam out of its momentum.
It did, they just earned a lot of goodwill through correct PR.
>>343872418
>The customization for characters is incredibly limiting
>no breast, butt and muscle sliders
JUST
>tanks/healers in full 240 gear roll need during roulette
>>343875718
>muh desynths
>muh seals for grade 6 matter / ventures
>muh glamor
How many other quests rely on weather? Fuck Fishing in the Rain.
>>343875568
This. Until 2.0 it was almost unheard of for a developer to actually apologize for a shitty game. It showed a lot of humility, something western devs need to learn with the recycled sjw garbage they generate nowadays.
>>343875718
Fuck off I need seals.
>>343875445
I'm not saying XI was the epitome of MMOs, just that it is infinitely better than XIV in terms of design and enjoyability. If you honestly prefer XIV to XI, then you are either retarded or baiting, possibly both.
>>343876036
t. nostalgia-filled fanboy
Tell me about the shitters, /v/. Why do they wear the crown?
>>343876036
Any sane person would prefer literally any other not f2p mmo to the XI
This is how bad it was
>>343876106
Nobody cared who they were until they put on the crown.
>>343876086
>>343876117
Enjoy your WoW faggotry then. Sorry your game sucks and that you have to shit on better ones to make yourselves feel better.
>>343876250
Oh the ironing
>>343876250
See you in the next thread.
>>343876197
If I take their crown off, will they die?
>>343876250
>Sorry your game sucks and that you have to shit on better ones to make yourselves feel better
Lol, see you in the next XIV thread
>>343875709
There are breast and muscle sliders. Though I think only roegadyn and hyurs get muscle. The creator is limited regardless.
>>343876836
I'm surprised suncats don't get a muscle slider.
Hyur's do, and they and Elezen (I think) share chest meshes.
>>343876836
>There are breast and muscle sliders.
The breast slider may as well not exist for how shit it is.
>Though I think only roegadyn and hyurs get muscle.
Exactly. That's fucking retarded.
>>343876946
>The breast slider may as well not exist for how shit it is.
Lalashitter detected
>>343876347
It would be extremely painful.
>>343876946
Wasn't saying they're good, just that they do exist.
>>343868419
Nothing really. It's an incredibly mediocre MMO in all aspects. Boring rotations, boring classes, horribly dragged down in all ways by having to run on a fucking console
So if there was a Lalafell the size of a Roe, would they be stronger than them?
>>343877498
You're a big Roe
>>343877681
SCH is pretty fun if you came in thinking of them like a hybrid, but everyone else is pretty boring.
>lvl 60 NIN gameplay
>>343868419
The game is still at one of its worse points right now.
As long as there is a normal version of the raid nothing will ever change my mind on this. What is the point in doing weekly void arks and grinding out your weekly allotment of lore tokens if you aren't raiding? And what is the point in raiding if you've already canonically defeated it in normal mode? I know they're at a bit of an impasse in regards to getting casuals to step up and clear the harder fights like Coil, and so they can't have that heavily referenced in the main story. We'll probably get something along the lines of a nod and a knowing smile from Alisae next patch for people who have cleared it; and this sucks.
Also doesn't help that the current raid's story is cheese. It's fucking cheese people. Cheese! How do you go from fighting the embodiment of a race's eternal anguish to CHEESE!?
Anyway -
FUCK DAILY CRAFTING QUESTS THAT ARE MANDATORY FOR ALL CRAFTERS FOR THE REST OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING EXPANSION
FUCK WEEKLY LOCKOUTS AS LONG AS THE RAID HAS A NORMAL MODEand fuck all you complacent assholes who never raided in the first place - why do you even do any of this shit? Why bother grinding out the best ilv you can get if you aren't doing anything with it? In the developer's endeavor to keep you all on the same level with the raid story they have completely fucked up the progression of the game.
>>343878919
Cheese is gobbie birthright
>>343878919Because it's fun
>>343878919
Why bother raiding savage if you aren't doing anything more with the gear you get there?
It's a treadmill progression game, anon. All the rewards are ultimately meaningless.
>>343868419
It's a generic MMO but not insultingly bad.
That is literally it. All it managed to do correctly was avoid being really bad like most MMOs. It's still not good though.
>>343879215
I'm not raiding savage because find the fights boring. I'm not fighting the enslaved, gender-bent soul of Nael, I'm fighting a gobbie ontop of a spider-bot that has a cat that runs around the room and buffs it by meowing love-hearts at it.
I won't be fighting the enslaved soul of Louisoux - I'll be fighting some random big giant robot to 80's big robot anime music (complete with kids cheering as it enters the chorus.
And I don't know what I'll be fighting for the very last encounter. As far as I'm concerned it could be a running battle across the entirety of the Hinterlands in a desperate attempt to save Idle-shire and I still wouldn't care because it would have nothing on fighting the imprisoned embodiment of a dragon civilization's anguish.
Also they likely won't put any big CGI cutscene in there for the finale. And even if they do I'll see it on the very first day of the patch when I do the normal mode anyway so heyyyy fuck you.
>>343879821
Sounds to me like ur a little bitch who will never be happy then.
>>343879821
>gender-bent soul of Nael
I thought that was supposed to be a Samus Aran moment, but the translators had fucked up earlier in 1.0 and had to bullshit, yes?
>>343880231
That's what it seemed like for a while but no.
I don't think even the writers care.
>playing a weeb mmo with a 2.5 gcd
>>343880506
t.blizzard
>>343879821
hahahaha
>BAAAWWW IT'S NOT SERIOUS BUSINESS STORY
god fuck off
Coil's story was garbage
>>343880536
(You)
If only the combat wasnt so shit I would probably still play it even though there hardly being anything to do apart from rerunning boring ass dungeons. Really cant stand this tab targeting bullshit anymore though.
>>343868419
Shit game Heavensward is Warlords of Draenor
Literally WoD!!!
>>343879102
DUDE
CHEESE
LMAO
I won't be surprised if that's all they end wanting the power of Alexander for
>>343881114
I don't know, it seems like Quickthinx has his priorities mostly straight this time around.
>>343880812
That's your reply? You are pathetic. The story is generic trash, everything involving the Allagans is garbage ancient advanced civilization shit we've seen a zillion times before.
The only time the story in XIV wasn't shit, was when you were traveling with Ysayle, Estinien and Alphinaud.
>>343881114
Because ruling the world is so much better?
>>343880231
That's correct, though whether they "fucked up" or just made that decision who knows.
>>343881871
>That's your reply? You are pathetic
Wow don't cut yourself on that edge.
Does Ninja have a reliance on positionals and a GL equivalent?
>>343882135
You put as much thought into your butthurt replies as Square Enix does into the story-lines in XIV
>>343882205
It has two positionals, one rear and one flank. The rest of their abilities are free. They do have a GL equivalent, but it's much easier to keep up because it doesn't need to be stacked, it lasts 70 seconds, you don't need to attack anything to put it up, and they have a weaponskill that refills its duration.
>>343882336
Thank god.
When do Dragoon get positionals? I'm up to level 40 and don't have any. Nice change of pace from monk to be able to just stay in one spot and push your buttons
>>343872060
>tfw managed to get Kirin a while back
I'm wondering what they'll give you for bothering to get all the fucking chickens
So, my graphics card crapped out and I got an MSI GTX 1070 Gaming. Putting the game on 1680x1050 max i get around 150 FPS on dungeons, but it dips to 70 on limsa and void ark. Considering this is a card that should be able to do 2k60 maxed, doesn't this seem low? Any other anons with a 1070 that can share their framerates?
>>343882468
Nothing
>>343882432
Heavy thrust (flank) comes as early as level 12 and should be up 100% of the time.
Chaos Thrust (back) comes at level 50.
Their primary positionals will be at level 60, which are technically the same exact move but done at flank or rear. Which one you need to use is procced randomly.
>>343882643
>randomly.
IS there a melee class without flank/back/rear rotations?
>>343882947
No.
>>343882947
DRK
WAR
PLD
>>343882336
Oh, they also have an oGCD cooldown with a rear positional that's important to hit because it applies a damage taken debuff on the target.
>>343882947
pld, war, drk
>>343882808
Well, it is. Full Thrust and Chaos thrust will both proc either "Sharper Fang and Claw" which is to use Fang and Claw (Flank) or "Enhanced Wheeling Thrust" to use Wheeling Thrust (Rear).
In previews Full Thrust would always proc Sharper Fang and Claw and Chaos Thrust, Enhanced Wheeling Thrust (this might be swapped around, I don't remember). Either way, it wasn't random. Either way, Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust are LITERALLY the same moves minus positionals. They both do 200, 290 with positionals, and refreshes Blood of the Dragon by 15 seconds. There's no other differences.
Healer positionals when?
>>343882432
>I'm up to level 40 and don't have any.
Yes you do, you're just retarded
>>343882947
DPS? No. Ninja has the least amount of them but they're more involved with juggling their Mudras around. Dragoon has a few more that aren't a big deal. Monk is your major positional based job.
Ninja used to have no positionals besides Sneak/Trick Attack. Trick attack is what you use in battle anyways and hits from behind.
>>343883173
>one where you never have to move
My biggest problem with XIV, and where it completely falls apart for me, is just how incredibly shallow the 'RPG' elements are
>There's no sense of character building/customization. The way stats work in tandem with how one dimensional classes are means there's literally no reason not to dump every stat point you're given into whatever your class' primary damage stat is. There's no way to alter how your class plays in the least
>Gear progression is completely linear. ilvl dumbs the whole system down into simple stat scaling, and the secondary stats are so minor and simple that there's no reason to not just have whatever the highest ilvl piece is (Aside from very minor points like reaching a certain SS to get in additional GCDs). No interesting things like procs, traits, damage types etc. Makes collecting new gear lack impact because it's mechanically identical to whatever you had before
>Damage types are class universal. All of PLD's attacks do slashing damage, even shield bash. All of MNK's attacks do blunt damage, even when the weapon they're using is a giant set of claws. And it doesn't even matter because all enemies have equal resistance to all damage types. It's only there to give classes debuff utility (Very boring debuff utility)
>Same with magic/elemental damage. The flavor text says things like 'deal fire damage', when it's blatantly false. There's just a universal 'magic damage'
It's probably because I come from XI, where the game was less mechanics and more character structure, but XIV doesn't do it for me at all. There's nothing to it. It also means my favorite FF class ever would never work in the game because there's not enough depth to support it
>>343883352
I still can't decide between just sucking it up with XIV or playing on the XI private server.
I don't want to live in old MMOs forever, but they're just so much more enjoyable.
What is the most comfy thing to do in this game?
>>343868419
It's basically Overwatch as an MMORPG.
Casual as fuck, on consoles, let's even the shittiest of players feel success.
>>343883352
>XI more character structure
You mean game where was no difference between 2 same class characters?
>>343883453
I think you need to try some other garbage, like f2p games.
After spending so much in the XI you just got used to the eating shit everyday, this is why you can't appreciate actually well made games
I blame consoles.
>>343883352
Palace of the Dead will have horizontal progress and item effects and shit
IF IT EVER COMES OUT
>>343883582
Hmm? I tanked everything up to Abyssea as BLU. Where as I had a friend who played BLU to DD. I'd say that's pretty different
>>343883582
>>343883759
Here's your (You)
>>343883453
XI private server has 300+ people on at a time and 1k+ unique logons weekly. It's pretty dank.
Probably the best option in the barren MMO wasteland until the TBC private servers release "late summer".
>>343883352
There is elemental damage/resistance, it's just completely worthless because there's never any reason to want to deal or resist a specific type of damage, which is largely for balance reasons.
It's all just taking cues from WoW. WoW used to have more stat variety, where even stuff like Int and Spirit could provide minor benefits to non-magic classes. But over time they noticed that people would just stack whichever stat was most beneficial for their class, so they homogenized it/dumbed it down to make it easier and so there was less "useless" gear floating around. Now the character UI doesn't even display most stats, and many stats do the exact same thing, just applying to different classes.
It's a tricky problem because in co-operative games like this where the central "meta" is getting strong enough to take down scripted bosses with significant gear checks (to keep people paying and grinding for better gear), playing in a way that is "non-optimal" is frowned upon. Even if you provide build options, chances are you will be more or less browbeaten into using whatever setup is the most efficient.
>>343883352
But what about the super deep cross class abilities????
I hate this idea they have that anything that was in 1.0 shouldn't be in the game now. I can understand removing elemental resistances from enemies (even if I don't really like it) because of how BLM works but there is no defense for the rest
>>343883582
>subjobs
>job points
>merits
Cross class abilities had a chance to be decent even after they were neutered from 1.0 but they limited them to class only (which also means that the new jobs have no abilities that can be used by other classes, at least until classes are inevitably removed) and gave an extremely limited selection.
>>343883794
From what I've read PoTD gear is only for glamour outside of PoTD, though I haven't really read much about it so I might be wrong
Does XIV have the least interesting tank meta in an MMO?
The tank classes are literally just DPS that have enmity built into their attacks. It feels like there's almost no unique/specific tanking mechanics in the game
>>343883806
You literally used same abilities for it, the only difference between dd and tank was who got agro, after it was same process for both
>XI shitters unironically ready to play on the private servers
Not even surprised
>>343883990
I wish the deck chairs in Mist had proper sitting animations so I could get fanned by those mi'qote sluts all day.
>>343884103
PS3 limitations
>>343883794
july 19 confirmed
>>343883582
This piece of shit got an anime? Sure fucking hope they focused on those two because anything having to do with autism girl is fucking abysmal.
>>343883976
In my experience pre-wow, suboptimal 'builds' are were fine as long as they were functional. If they made sense and could be used to clear content, then it was good enough. It didn't matter that there was something better or more optimal. I've never been harrassed in an MMO for not using whatever the flavor of the month was
But in XIV I can see the problem. The bosses and encounters aren't built for it. They're 100% scripted dance routines with strict DPS cheks and one shot mechanics. It's not about character build or strategy, it's about reacting to a set mechanic while mashing out a rotation
>>343884046
there's class specific buffs/debuffs built into abilities as well, and it makes enough of a difference that one tank will be taken over another depending on the encounter
what were you expecting precisely?
>>343879821
>it's not fun unless it's edgy and grimdark
gay
>>343883352
One thing that made XI awesome was the ability to use multiple weapons on certain classes. It is also what makes XIV so damn stupid; being unable to equip different weapons. I loved the weapon rank system and how certain weapon skills were only available to certain classes. Another thing was the armor was a bit more unique in some cases early on. I quit after my trial was over in XIV but the gear progression was so bad on 2.0 re-release.
>>343883976
>There is elemental damage/resistance
No, there's only damage resistances. Enemies do elemental damage, but there's no way for players to deal it themselves
>>343884046
Dont really get what a tank should even be like apart from being a tanky damage dealer. Wildstar probably provided the most enjoyable tanking experience to date, but even that was basically just a DD holding Aggro.
>>343884351
But Coil wasn't edgy or grimdark. In fact, Alexander despite cheerful music and gobbie shit actually makes passing attempts at edge.
>>343884315
I'm not really sure, honestly. An active, mechanical way to mitigate damage? A steeper curve on holding hate (So it's actually a problem, and not just a total snowball that makes playing tanks more about spending as much time in DPS stance as possible)?
M+KB or controller? I hear the controller use in this game is pretty good.
>>343884553
I use gamepad and keyboard on the ps4
>>343872418
The customization for your character's face is certainly limited (4-5 presets for eyes, mouth, nose, etc) but there's plenty of variety in other places. It's certainly no Black Desert Online character creator, but BDO's character creator alone doesn't make it good.
As for combat, what should a modern MMORPG's combat even look like? More action oriented? More like TERA? I struggle to even think of any games that distance themselves from WoW style combat.
>>343884553
MKB. You can learn to use a controller and it's serviceable and they did a good job adapting the interface but the game is still hotbar-based Windows-widget-UI-style MMO and MKB offers a lot more freedom.
Wow, why is Admiral so hardcore?
>>343884553
>I hear the controller use in this game is pretty good.
Relative.
What's the easiest class to play with gamepad?
>>343883462
house decorating
>>343884553
Controller becomes awful at later levels. Way, way too many skills to manage properly without hotkeys and modifiers
Playing SMN or WAR with a controller is a nightmare. Healers are kind of ok
>>343884553
It's very good, but once you hit your class end-game you'll run out of buttons and it'll become a nightmare to manage everything, still serviceable for DPS but you're better off with keyboard + mouse for the other two jobs since it also makes targetting specific teammates and enemies easier.
>>343884738
FSHWHM or MNK
>>343884750
I've got 896k gil. Can I get a house with that?
>>343884553
controller for crafting/gathering
mouse and keyboard for combat
>>343884782
What about ninja?
>>343884446
I forgot 'epic' as well, on top of edgy and grimdark.
It's not sustainable to have every new raid be more world threatening than the last, eventually you run out of credible threats.
>>343884815
>not even 1mil
Cheapest houses on the cheapest servers go for AT LEAST 8 mil.
>>343884896
Wrong.
>>343884750
>the only real tree in the game is the cherry tree
>still now new trees
>stuck with a load of tiny little bushes
Standard or Legacy control scheme?How the fuck does anyone use Standard? Feels clunky and awful
>>343884863
>It's not sustainable to have every new raid be more world threatening than the last, eventually you run out of credible threats.
But it's also silly when casual 24-man has a more interesting story than the hardcore savage raid.
>>343884896
Actually 3 mil for the cheapest unclaimed house right now.
>>343884695
because best GC and nation thats why.
>>343872418
True, it's a shit game, but it's the best MMO on the market right now.
And that tells everything about the genre. It's literally fucking dead.
>>343884553
The only class that has an enjoyable time on a controller is Scholar and maybe Black Mage/White Mage. Scholar because your pet does most of the healing anyway, so fucking around with a controller is less punishing.
>>343884938
legacy unless you're really good at doing 180's with the mouse
standard has some benefits though like being able to circle strafe while facing an enemy
>Get MIN to level 60
>Pick up last class quest
>Need 3 HQ Adamantite Ore
>Okay, shouldn't be a problem
>Wait for node to pop
>The node sets your HQ chance to 0% if you don't have at least 565 perception
The fuck is this, game? I have to go get endgame gear just to finish my class quest? Fuck you.
>>343885086
Good bait, pirate scum.
>>343885003
To be fair, did you really expect much of anything to beat Coil? It had a lot of build up and history, and the subject material was good from the getgo
I think it was kind of smart to dial it back a bit with Alexander and not try to outdo something was they didn't have much of a chance to outdo. And now next time, since everyone is accustomed to this silly story of Alex, they can try something big again without it being directly compared to Coil
>>343885124
i bought that shit on the market board
Got fishing to level 60 and installed a lalafell nude mod before uninstalling the game for good. Nah mate, I'm done.
>>343885119
You can strafe on Legacy too.
>>343885124
WOW I DIDN'T EXPECT I'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING FOR THE QUEST
>>343885119
You can do this on Legacy.
Are they ever going to abandon their current progression and patch structure? Because it's fucking awful, stale, and literally the same thing every fucking patch
I genuinely don't understand how people aren't tired of it yet
>>343884815
Cheapest and smallest plots start from ~2-3million iirc, and that's if there are even any left unclaimed.
On the vast majority of populated servers they're all taken up, so your only option then is to buy from someone for a huge markup.
When they added new wards in 3.3, on my server they were all gone 5 minutes after servers went up.
>>343882562
I think your card is fucked m8
>>343885309
The game has been bleeding subs since HW dropped.
They don't appear to be that bothered by it if they're still doing the same shit.
>>343885119
Not sure how you do it on keyboard but with a controller if you click in one of the thumbsticks you'll lock on your current target and can circle strafe.
>>343884764
>Playing SMN or WAR with a controller is a nightmare.
WAR Main Here, suck my nuts. Its easy as fuck.
>>343885417
They are bothered, they're just full into production of the next expansion and they can't just change their course dramatically mid-way.
>>343885549
>They are bothered, they're just full into production of the next expansion
Which is going to be completely identical in structure to ARR and HW
>>343885124
just buy that shit from the marketboard yo, work smart not hard
>>343885417
>bleeding subs
>both China and Korea opened servers after HW launch
I want Amerilards to go and stay go.
>>343882562
Processor? MMO's are very processor intensive, especially in towns and hubs where lots of people idle
I have SLI's GTX 1080's, and still drop low in towns because of my i5 4670
The only thing that ever drove me towards FF was the fact that the game has summoners. I really love summoners that arent just differently named Necros. Pity that hardly any other game actually had this sort of class. 99% of the time it bottles down to some shitty hunter using a bow/rifle if you want to play a pet class.
>>343885620
China is too busy doing RMT on WoW
Korea barely plays MMOs anymore
>>343885549
I'm going to wait on the next expansion to see if it's worth resubbing. I learned my lesson when I preordered HW.
>>343885375
I don't know if they ever changed it but servers were grouped into like categories based on how populated they were. Simplified it into groups A B and C with A being the higest pop ones. Prices of houses in group A would be higher than B and C and the prices don't drop indefinitely.
>>343885549
>>343885593
I'm pretty sure its fairly commonplace for MMOs to be an expansion or two ahead in production, thats how production pipelines work after all.
Didn't yoship say they've already got 4.0 (and 5.0 idk) planned out already? Basically MMOs are huge ships that change course really slowly.
>>343885805
Most of Ishgard expansion was actually probably planned back in 1.0 days.
>>343885945
Ala Mhigo had concept art back in 1.0 so we'll probably do that next. From there on, it's all new shit.
>>343868419
Literally nothing. There's not a single thing this game does right.
>>343885805
MMO's almost universally become shit after a certain amount of time. They all crash and burn, usually by changing some core concepts or giving up certain ideals to match modern standards etc. It happened to XI. It happened to SWG. It happened to Maple Story. It happened to WoW
And yet here we are, already on the second expansion for XIV and it hasn't become good yet. We're already nearing the point where MMO's start to fuck up and lose everything, and it hasn't even started going anywhere yet
I'm genuinely interested to see how XIV fucks it up even more
>>343868419
>quit WoW for about 6 months when ARR launched
>had a lot of fun leveling
>reached max and started the gear grind
>"okay, this is.. fun"
>no crystal tower yet, so raiding was limited
>completed two relics on summoner and bard
>quit
think I enjoyed leveling more than I did end game. beautiful zones, great music and fate grinding was chill as fuck with a group. even the chocobo quest(which felt tedious at time) was quite enjoyable. felt accomplished after finishing it.
if I could combine ARR world and leveling, with WoW's combat system and end-game raiding and pvp, it would be excellent.
>>343885119
>180ing with a mouse
Isn't this the norm for other mmos?
>>343885682
I have an I7-4770, doesn't seem like the problem lies there.
>>343885805
I will be deeply surprised if the next expansion is anything but a level cap increase and new coat of paint.
>>343886121
That's literally all mmo expansions.
What if, FFXIV base, with PSO2 combat and character customization levels, plus runescape crafting and quests
>>343886153
XI's expansions were all pretty varied. All of them had a different type of endgame. They also managed to keep older endgames relevant
I'm not sure where XIV went wrong
>>343886153
This is false
>>343886170
>PSO2 combat
Sounds fine for instanced stuff, but I just don't see it working in open world. You can't have a 100 person action RPG, the main world would have to be small instances too.
>>343886170
I will never get this obsession with action combat in MMOs.
>>343886483
It's a bad meme for people with bad attention spans. No MMO will ever reach the depth of GW1's combat, anyway.
>>343886483
It keeps things slightly more fresh when you're just going to make it a terrible grinding/treadmill game.
I can't think of a generic WoW clone that wouldn't be at least slightly more interesting with action combat.
Still inferior to just making a proper sandbox MMO.
>>343886225
Not once did the core gameplay change. Also whoever decided to wait 13 years for GEO, a core FF class to get put in needs to neck himself.
>>343886318
Right, I forgot SWG's NGE. :^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>343886483
Frankly XIV is already action combat. Except with tab-targeting. There's no variation and no preparation, no role-playing variation, you just execute your actions in the right order and dodge stuff. If it wasn't for gear stats it'd just be an action game. Very slow action game.
>>343886170
What about pvp? What game/mmo would be the best fit?
I'd play it if it wasn't for the shit ps3 limitations that literally ruined the potential of every single area.
>>343886683
>Geomancer
>Core FF class
You what, mate? Literally a gimmick caster in each rare appearance it has
Daily shill post
http://nasomi.com/
>>343886904
It has more appearances than meme classes like corsair and
>>>>>>>>PUPPETMASTER
>>343886483
has there even been a tab targeting MMO in the past 4 years
>>343872060
2.0 had a shorty playerbase, FF retards couldn't even handle Titan HM and threatened to quit the game of they didn't dumb it down. SE didn't listen and made 2.1 and 2.2 the best updates the game has ever seen. After that the game went downhill.
I like how faggots on /v/ like to bitch about MMOs catering to the 1%, but once SE started focusing on content for casuals and "midcore" (see egocentric casuals) it's been nothing but rollfacing ancient content on easy and grinding the few bottable instances for rewards that act as another gate in the gear treadmill. All they did was increase the amount of grind you need to do to compete in endgame and be available to party with people.
>>343886483
DDO is fun
>>343886545
Good joke. GW1 would have been great had you been able to jump, or at least get off of a fucking ledge. I still remember that ice area where you had to walk all the way to get down from the ledge.
>>343886483
Makes character movement more skill based, requires you to properly aim, makes macro spamming significantly harder unless their auto aim, makes you independent in fights with a high amount of targets, gets rid of LoS issues such as cancels AFTER the spell finished casting etc. The only upside of tab targeting is the target lock for healer, but since pure healers are cancer anyway not much of value was actually lost.
Black Desert and Vindictus basically have the perfect combat system already. Heals and buffs are AoE so that problem got solved as well.
>>343887692
>GW1 would have been great had you been able to jump
Lookit this ADHD shitter.
>>343887891
You never played fucking arenas if you think that the inability to jump was a fucking upside. Half the arenas were fucking cancer, especially the Ice one. Underworld and Hell also had a shit ton areas where the inability to jump off a ledge was complete fucking shit. Made no sense whatsoever either.
>>343868419
The fact that if it's not on life support it's bleeding money so devs try everything they can to keep it alive
>>343885741
They standardized it across all worlds now, and lowered the prices to boot.
>expansion drops
>new attraction in gold saucer coming in 3.1
>think it's gonna be snowboarding, blitzball, or any other old ff mini-game
>It's just square trying to push lords of vermillion in the west in the shittiest way
>Nothing new till next expansion
>Legion is coming
>ARR threads everyday
Coincidence?
>>343889502
I chink note.
>>343887310
Fucking nips
>>343886983
So, can somebody who plays on Nasomi explain why there are a bunch of NPCs in the game that just stand there? Like, you can't talk to them, you try to interact but nothing happens. They're clearly not there for flavour, they're supposed to do something, why don't they?
Why are cats such huge sluts?
>>343868419
DELETE THIS
FFXIV WAS SUPPOSED TO FLOP
IT'S A SHITTY 2.5s GCD WOW CLONE
WHY IS EVERYONE LEAVING WOW FOR THIS SHITTY GAME?
>>343891649
miqo'tes are the night elves of eorzea
>>343868419
Doesn't take 12 months to get new battle content
What went wrong?
>>343891809
kek XIV asks you why you're unsubscribing now as well
>>343891719
Because WoW is actually that bad right now.
>>343868419
My penis goes to the right
>>343892521
legion is going to be released for consoles soon
>>343892521
Blizzard lost their spark. They no longer put any real effort into their games.
>>343872692
Is BDO still alive? Combat looks really fun might consider picking it up
I'm just so tired of xivs patch cycles being stale content that's braindead easy. Especially now that I quit raiding I have no idea how the fuck people praise the game there is literally zero content outside some braindead dungeons you run a couple of times a week for welfare gear.
>>343891719
WoW is genuine garbage now.
Hell, I WANT to go back for Legion since it's finally focusing on 5-man dungeon content and they still manage to turn me off with the class changes. Doubt I'll even sub for one month to try it with the way things are looking on the beta/ptr.
>>343893079
this, it's just becoming more of the same
just gonna let my sub run out and never look back
>Hey. let's remove hots from healers and mitigate damage abilities from tanks
Seriously, why blizzard decided that it was a good idea?
>>343893519
They can't be arsed anymore.
>>343892521
I can't wait for deep dungeon so I can actually play dps without huge wait times
I bought this game but I'm having issues updating it (really slow downloads, haven't found a way to fix that) is there somewhere to download the updates directly or a torrent or something?
>>343893869
How deep dungeons even work?
Reward wise
Can I farm weapons and armor there and use it for the actual leveling?
>>343894562
gear from outside of deep dungeons do not matter, deep dungeons have their own progression system in place. you can use deep dungeons to level classes but you don't get any actual gear rewards from it other than a glowing weapon that's supposed to be on par with upgraded lore weapon if fully upgraded (probably takes lots of grinding)
>>343893079
there does need to be more midcore content, palace of the dead seems a step in the right direction with the later floors supposed to be challenging similar to EX primals but not savage tier hard.
>>343895183
So no reason to do it?
>you can use deep dungeons to level classes
But I thought you always start it with 1 level? How can I level my class there?
Does the game have as much (current, non-nerfed) content as it did in 2.4 yet?
Did they ever add any way at all to customize your character's build?
Did they ever add even a single job that supports more than one role?
Did they drop PS4 support so they can make zones larger than a postage stamp?
Is there anything that makes this game any more than weeaboos WoW with less features and less content?
>>343895806
everyone starts off at level 1 and as you gradually progress through the deep dungeon floors you will find gear, items, and level up. when you're done with the dungeon, you get EXP in the outside world that's based on your current class level you went in as.
the incentive to do it is to have fun, level alt classes, and get a powerful weapon that will help you raid savage if you grind enough.
>>343893273
>Hell, I WANT to go back for Legion since it's finally focusing on 5-man dungeon content
Can you get top (and I mean top) of the line gear from mythic dungeons now? Until they're a TRUE viable alternative to raid gear I don't see the point.
I don't know why they bothered with mythic 5-mans in WoD when they were basically dropping lfr tier loot. The only ilvl that matters in a vertical progression MMO is the highest one.
>>343893519
blizzard dumbs down WoW each expansion to cater to the normies who play it now.
>>343896136
Supposedly they're going to add more floors later on which will make it actually challenging. Curious to see if that holds up. The idea is interesting but if it's just braindead farming then it will just be painful.
>>343895553
It's going to turn out like Diablo 3's greater rifts, just watch.
>floors 150-200 are seriously difficult
>some classes cant do it at all solo/duo
>even for the classes that can, you need to luck into good floor layouts/buffs to clear it
>people complain that the few people that get to 200 are only on the leaderboard thanks to RNG.
How to fix FFXIV:
-Get rid of ilvl and the stats such as Strength, Dexterity, etc..
Keep Determination, Skill Speed, etc and make unique stats allocation for every piece of gear instead of having a primary and a secondary stat
-Bring back elemental and physical resistances and add them as stats on gear
-Randomize encounters instead of making them scripted
-Incentivize job switching by making all tank jobs, melee dps jobs, ranged dps jobs, etc share the same gear
-Make the relic quests much easier if you've completed them on at least one job
-Add a system where you can change the effects of your abilities off combat.
Example: make Cover only redirect magic damage, make Medica damage foes instead of healing, etc...
>>343896836
I can only agree with your last two points, I'd love if the relic were slightly easier on your second pass, like you can skirt your way through crystal farming with multiple drop chances or something.
>>343896836
>make relic quests easier
Are you kidding? I fucking LOVED doing ifrit unsynched 120 times for that sweet aether light!
>>343872418
>>343875709
There are literally breast and muscle sliders.
Why is it that when /v/ shits on FFXIV they do it with fucking lies?
I think that in itself is proof FFXIV is a good game. /v/ can't criticize it without telling lies about it.
>b-b-b-but the breast sliders don't let you have tits that are bigger than your head!!!
Boofuckinghoo. They don't let you have a completely flat chest either, but they're still there.
>>343887214
>people say FFXIV caters only to casuals
>alexander gordias was so hard it destroyed a huge part of the raiding community
>patch 3.3's nidhogg and weeping city of mhach has had people crying that it's too hard for content that isn't the tippy toppiest of hard content
Yeah, no. They want to make hard shit, it's just video games in general have shitters as the biggest section of the demographic. Trying to make shit that wont piss them off but will also feel enjoyable for people who like a challenge is like walking a tight rope.
>>343899342
The visual customization is fine but skill/talent builds literally don't exist in any capacity in FFXIV. That alone is enough to keep me unsubbed indefinitely.
>>343872732
Wow you can't even see any enemies or NPCs either, it's almost like you're so far away it's impossible to see anything, player, enemy or NPC!
Seriously why the fuck do people tell lies about FFXIV? What do you hope to gain with lying about a game to try to get people to not play it?
Does Activision-Blizzard really have its claws this deep in /v/ with their marketers?
I started this a few months ago and really enjoyed it until I got to Heavensward content.
Did they just add flying because WoW had it? I feel like it didn't add anything interesting or special to the game, the zones are just bigger and more annoying to traverse, while the low level zones felt memorable and quaint.
>>343899704
I still have fucking groups wiping to story mode nidhogg. WHY THE FUCK IS STANDING OUT OF THE FIRE SO HARD FOR PEOPLE? Every fucking class in this game has a sprint button, use it.
>>343869709
I dunno, maybe the slow paced combat, worst leveling experience ever in an MMO, some classes just flat out being useless endgame, the generic dungeon designs, the generic endgame dungeon designs, awful hamfisted story that doesn't know if it should take itself seriously, unbalanced Triple Triad, non-existent social community (I went through level 1-50 and didn't see a single person talk outside of trading), LFG systems existing instead of using the chat to find a group.
>>343900046
you do realize the game has changed a lot since 2.0 right
every class in viable in the endgame, leveling is so streamlined now, heavensward story is now game of thrones tier, novice network exists now where people talk to each other and group to get shit done, and the combat at level 60 is more indepth than Legion.
The only things that haven't really changed is linear dungeons.
>>343900046
Oh right, I forgot the most central part. PVP basically being non-existent, this game has the worst PVP i've ever experienced in a video game. So god awful that i'd rather play Anarchy Onlines PVP.
>switching servers
>dunno how to tell the FC I'm gonna leave
The worst thing about this game is stupid console bullshit limiting mods, and the developers refusing to add in-game meters
At least in WoW shitters know they're shit and stay in easy content. In FFXIV none of the bad players know they're bad because ACT is technically against the rules, but you only get banned if you give another player shit for doing poorly. So you get guys in Savage / EX runs who are following mechanics properly while doing 500 dps and thinking to themselves "gosh, I must be doing good" because they have absolutely no way to gauge their performance beyond not dying
I get that the developers don't want hurt feelings or whatever but shit
>>343899704
>alexander gordias was so hard it destroyed a huge part of the raiding community
It still hurts
Also, STEPS OF SALT (pre nerf)
It was not even hard, but for some reason people in duty finder are braindead
>>343900279
idk man feast is pretty fun
>>343900279
It's funny how despite having a supposedly shitty PvP, FFXIV caters far more to PvPers than WoW.
>>343900387
if you have ACT and see someone doing poorly, kick them. Reports can't do shit about it unless you were specifically saying you were parsing, GM's already confirmed it.
>>343900279
Idk man, PvP is a lot of fun when playingwith friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPW9v24S7f4
>>343900012
There's a guy in my FC (on a US server) who plays from fucking Singapore. Oh, and he's a healer. Every time I've grouped with him, he's single-handedly responsible for endangering or wiping the party because he just can't move out of shit. He's also just a crappy player in general, which doesn't help at all. Did Wiping City with him and when he got the meteor mark on Ozma he just ran back and forth like he didn't know what to do and ended up dropping it on the party. Luckily the rest of the group knew their shit and ran off the platform.
And afterwards he complained about how Forgall is badly designed because when you rez people they get hit immediately by mega-death. Resisted the urge to tell him it wouldn't have been a problem if he hadn't let the whole group die in the first place.
>>343901209
How far in the game do you have to be to do lvl 60 pvp?
>>343900446
I pray they never nerf Final Steps of Faith. Leave that in as a message for shitters to actually get good.
>>343901151
Well that's something. I don't think one person should take priority over the fun of an entire party of people doing a run. If they inevitably cause the entire affair to fail they won't have much fun either anyway.
>>343892602
Wow has been asking you why you unsubscribe since as long as I can remember. Never unsubscribed from FFXIV and I've played since1.0 and since ARR so I wouldn't know. :^)
>>343868743
What he said. And content.
content
content
developers developers developers I mean content content content.
Only WOW can maybe rival it in content and by virtue of the roulette and forcing you to go through the content and MSQ you keep open a lot more dungeons from the past.
That being said it had plenty of problems but as a theme park it did a damn good job.
And goddamn I fucking love dragoons ahhhhhh fuck I don't give a shit about lacking a shield you wield the spear like a fucking samurai not some dink-ass 'swing the spear like a 2h sword/axe' like WOW.
>>343868419
Using a brand name that has garnered so much nostalgic value over the years that a developer can release poorly designed, unfinished or uninspired clones of another game and fanboys will still eat it up without question.
If it's tolerable they will say it's great. If it's untolerable they will punish themselves and wait for it to be made tolerable to they can call it great.
>>343899796
Let's be real, MMO fanbases have degraded to the point that you'd get constantly shat on for doing anything other than the cookie-cutter norm these days.
Friendly reminder to report Clara Norman and her FC on Cerberus for botting.
>>343901832
I guess that explains why the game is full of people who never played a single Final Fantasy in their life and constantly miss the references.
>>343901312
By the time of almost ending 3.0 main story, counting from the start its a pretty wild ride
>>343901446
>A raid is supposed to be fun
stop
>>343901832
>poorly designed, unfinished or uninspired clones of another game
Yeah, no. This game does its homages to the old Final Fantasy games very faithfully and very well.
Stay salty you bitter WoWfag.
>>343902187
This honestly makes me mad. I feel like so many people playing this game can't even appreciate how much love went into FFXIV because they don't know shit about Final Fantasy.
>Finally start trying DoL collectables
Why is this shit so annoying and confusing? Crafting and gathering were so simple and fun at level 50 but then they went and fucked it up with bloated specialist bullshit and annoying collectable crap.
I just wish they'd go back on focusing on my main story.
I don't give a FUCK about dragon politics
I just want fucking progress on the original story that was amped up all pre heavensward
>>343902394
Because Yoshi-P likes to claim that he wants to make crafters great again yet constantly adds something to fuck them over.
>>343902515
I HOPE YOU'RE READY TO HELP THOSE ALA MHIGGERS GET THEIR CITY BACK NEXT, FUCKBOY
>>343868419
Feeding off WoW's dying carcase instead of trying to fight and devour it in its prime years.
>>343902394
3.0 was a fucking shithole with nothing to do, so they implemented those fuckers
>>343868419
I'd play this game if I just had to buy it once like any regular old game. Subscription doesn't do it for me.
>>343868419
actual updates delivered in a timely fashion.
for some reason MMOs take 8+ months to put out new battle content but this one only takes 3 months. best part is that it's not all raiding/dungeons shit, they actually put effort for stuff outside of PvE like for crafters and pvpers.
>>343902515
You say that, yet actually there wasn't much about the Dragonsong War. No real battle, no devastation and barely any unique dragons to fight.
If anything the "war" ended with Nidhoggs death in the Aery. Everything after was just a little tantrum. Seriously, for something about fighting dragons, we still had more to worry about Goblins, Garleans, beast tribes and Ascians.
>>343900446
>two bans because of calling people shit in Steps of Faith
German and French players need to fucking disappear.
>>343902854
>people bitching that xiv adds new content SO SLOWLY
>literally faster than every other MMO out right now
seriously what the hell
>>343902997
Which is why its annoying that we had 3 whole patches devoted to it when it should have ended in 3.1 at the latest.
>>343902059
And yet WoW's dumbed down talents and specs are infinitely more interesting than FFXIV's choices (which secondary stat do I stack, and which clearly optimal cross class abilities do I pick)
>>343903045
Muh midcore content.
>>343903045
I really don't understand how WoWfags can bitch that XIV has no content when they regularly have to wait over 12 months for their next raid tier.
Tried it a while back, maybe a year or two ago. Nobody spoke to one another, nobody interacted with me or one another, and nothing really seemed to draw me in about the game.
It just felt empty, bland, and overall boring. Played on one of the highest pop realms at the time and I figured that if it was like that THERE, I wouldn't even bother elsewhere.
>>343868419
What went so wrong?
It looks nice, has nice music and a cool crafting system.
Everything else, FFXI did better. I can't stay invested for more than 2 or 3 months at a time. Endgame isn't varied enough. I want more than 1 or 2 things to do.
>big yellow arrow mark has been in several instances
>people marked STILL run away
>despite the entire group(s) following them
WHY
LIKE SERIOUSLY WHY
>>343903271
Gonna take a guess and say you didn't try to interact with others as well.
I played the same way the first 2 months I played, but then I started striking up conversations with random people and joined a FC that had a discord and met tons and tons of people.
>>343903309
>Theres still retards that wipe at Nabriales
>>343903424
I did try. I even tried to join a guild or a shell, whatever it's called in that game.
Spoke in General, spoke in chat to others. Not one person responded aside from one guy that waved. I remember him clearly because that was LITERALLY all that I got.
>>343902515
we making ala mhigo great again lad
are you ready for 3.4: Elidibus doesn't even show up edition?
>>343902394
>implying it isn't easy af
>>343903410
This makes me honestly so mad.
Literally made me add a mechanics macro to spam and remind dumbfucks to get IN THE FUCKING STACK CIRCLE HOLY SHIT
Also the ammount of people who go into EX runs and don't even bother to read a fucking guide is staggering.
>Hi guys im new to this
>Have you seen a guide?
>lolno
>>343903564
>people who still get sucked into the wormhole instantly
>the tank who uses foresight/awareness for triple/double
>the DPS which jihad themselves into 3 same orbs
It's shocking but expected these days. I've started taking off gear so I don't get put into Nidhogg so now I get sent to the chrysalis most of the time instead.
>running Sohr Khai with a NIN as the second DPS
>AOE my ass out
>They never Goad me
>They never Doton
Wooooow
>>343903749
>Que for EX
>Watched a video
>Que pops
>Everyone go with a different strategy than the video showed
>Wipe after wipe because I'm new
The reason I join a EX without any experience is to gain that experience. This is why DF should be used for practice, not clears.
>>343873929
You are a dumb mother fucker.
>>343903045
people blow through the content fast and end up complaining that it's not enough
>sch doesn't dps
>just spams Adloquium and Lustrate whenever I somehow get to low health (even though he's not even doing anything?!)
>runs out of mana on a fucking miniboss, causing the group to wipe
what the fuck is wrong wit these people
>>343903904
Goad is for Tank. Universal Rule.
>>343903904
>That one ninja that spams Doton against a single enemy
>>343901287
Why is he playing on NA lmao, theres a reason tonberry is the de facto SEA server.
>>343904129
WAR is the only tank that is ever likely to have TP problems.
>>343900279
There is no such thing as an MMORPG having good PVP outside of Guild Wars. Ever.
>>343904129
Hahaha no, fuck off WARbabby.
>>343904240
He said he refuses to play on Tonberry. Didn't give a reason though.
It took him weeks to clear Final Steps.
>>343903309
>Amdapor ruins
>PLD
>seems to be new, but has his job gear
>tell him to use shield-oath
>he switches to sword-oath
> he attacks every goddamn mob including those not in our way
>loses aggro to us all
>after first boss, healer decides to not follow
>we tell him to switch to shield-oath and why
>we try to be nice about it
>after about 5 minutes he just leaves
>never a word spoken
>I leave too
>try to get back as tank
>roulette gives me a new group
>try through joining directly
>get back to the same group
>we finish without issue
Then I had to run roulette again.
>>343903564
>>343903763
When I get into Chrysalis, I simply leave. I don't care if the group is new or hardcore. I don't want to waste time on something that will probably end in wipes. I can do better stuff in 30 minutes.
Who /A8S/ Down here
>>343904129
Goad is for Monks who gotta go fast and don't have time to charge chakras.
>mfw got kicked from a dungeon twice because I forgot to say hello
>>343904109
I daresay SCH is one of the most mixed classes when it comes to the community. They are pretty much irreplaceable in any dungeon run or raid but if the person doing them can't balance DPS, healing, and their pet then you're better off with a White Mage.
>>343900446
I actually just went through steps of faith, how much easier did they make it?
>>343904039
>video
There's your problem. A good text guide only tells you what happens and what mechanics do. A video guide tries to teach you their way of dealing with something from a limited perspective.
Playing this game for the first time
Dragoon or Monk?
>>343875718
>he actually WANTS dungeon gear
>he doesn't just craft his own
>being this pleb
>>343904801
Nerfed the bosses HP, monsters do less damage now, cannons do more damage, etc
>>343904605
It's honestly disgusting how bad TP usage is on Monks. On NIN I can Death Blossom all day and with Invig my TP rarely becomes an issue. On MNK, even with Invig, I start running out of TP doing my fucking single-target rotation if the fight goes for more than a two minutes.
>>343883125
Why should a healer have to move? I bet you also think we should dps too
>>343904605
>additional effect: changes form to raptor
>>343904847
Dragoon, because you can always try to break the "lolDragoon" stereotype and you get more utility than a Monk.
>>343903904
>Be MNK
>Get paired with another MNK in a 4 man dungeon
>"Cool, we can clear bosses with greased lightning speed!"
>He just spends his time behind the boss
>Never DKs, only bootshines
>Never ups Twin Snakes
>Never Ups Demolish
>Always uses forbidden chakra whenever he hits GL3
>Tells me to stop being a tryhard edgelord when i try to teach him
Shitters.
>>343905137
Man, I fucking wish.
>>343904847
Leveling a lancer is painfully slow and tedious until you become Dragoon at level 30.
Pugilist is better at the early levels due to greased lightning and positionals, which keeps you moving and pump out more DPS than Dragoon when you become a Monk.
>>343868983
If you're already untangled, just wait for the next expac
>Dullahan guildhest
>be tank
>healer doesn't heal me
>we finish
>healer says "0 heals! :D"
Look, I know this isn't something where I as a tank needs a heal, but don't boast about it, you insufferable cunt. It's content that is not hard, neither important and gives me the impression that you act like this in instances where you need to heal a lot. It's the same kind of healers who push the morbol in the guildhest so hard that we end up with 20 slimes at 50%.
>>343905331
Maybe he was dpsing.
>>343905163
Is there a stigma against Dragoons?
>>343905312
I have a lancer at level 17 right now and I was wondering if I should swap to Pugilist for monk, because I have no idea which are more fun.
Also I heard all you have to do is follow story/class quests to level up, correct?
>>343905167
>Do leveling roulette as a tank
>Get Halatali with a low level Monk
>He stands in FRONT of all the enemies, on top of me.
>Tell him he'll do more damage from behind
>Doesn't respond
>Try to rotate the mobs so he's behind them
>Walks back in front of the fucking mob
>Check his search info
>Has multiple 60s
>Do another levelling roulette as tank
>Dusk Vigil with a lvl 50 monk in his job gear
>Doesn't do positionals
>Even worse, uses abilities seemingly at random
>Seriously, he'll do Purification or some shit while he's at full TP.
>5 minutes into the dungeon before I see him get even one stack of GL, and I think that was purely by coincidence.
Maybe I'm just sensitive to it because I'm a Monk main, but I've seen more terrible Monks than terrible Dragoons.
>>343904293
>>343904371
>WAR
>ever in need of TP
if they need Tp its because they are AoEing and if that is the case you may as well just goad them because theyll probably outdamage your weak ass anyways.
PLD is the only tank that ever cries for TP anymore.
>>343905554
>I have a lancer at level 17 right now and I was wondering if I should swap to Pugilist for monk, because I have no idea which are more fun.
Monk is funnier at level 1-59
Dragoon is funnier at level 60
Reminder that Squeenix stole a fucking lot of developers from FFXIV so they could try to save the sinking ship that is FFXV. Fuck I hate them for that.
Also, Vieras and Dancers when
>>343905505
Yes he was and should in that one. But my point is that attitude some healers have.
>>343905554
You can swap to any class in this game by just equipping their weapon.
Story quests are the best way to level up (and of course follow the plot of the game) and class quests are essential to learning new skills.
>>343884553
I'm a BLM so I can handle the shit on a controller since, well, we're just fucking turrets that barely move.
>>343905762
Maybe he was not bragging and just cheering like "Hey, good job guys, I didn't even have to heal you!".
>>343875835
Not only that, but the way they implemented the switch from 1.0 to 2.0 storywise was great.
>>343905554
>Is there a stigma against Dragoons?
It's said that Dragoons eat all those delicious AoEs and dies in every stupid possible waywich is fuckin true
Assuming that the fourth HW beast tribe is goblins, what do you think they would do for a fifth one (if they do make a fifth one)?
Personally, I'd like to seethe Azys Lla node computer system. Your relation level corresponds to "system privileges" that you earn from helping them. At least it would give a reason to actually go to Azys Lla.
>>343906165
Be honest anon. You just want every player to check their previleges, don't you?
>>343906279
That would probably be one of the quest names.
>>343906165
They said Moogles were the last beast tribe for Heavensward.
In case you doubt me it makes sense since they're the crafting beast tribe of the expansion just like the Ixali who were the last beast tribe of ARR.
>>343906165
When do we get to talk to these?
>that tank in Amdapor who doesn't face the back of the mobs towards the group
>the healer in the same run who doesn't turn off the DPS stance and lets the tank die
>while almost dying through the bomb and standing in front of the boss
>that tank in Keeper of the Lake who tries to lock out the last mob before the first boss
>gets pulled out bby frog just before gate closes = wipe
>tries it again, now having mob inside the arena minus frog
>that roe healer in the same run who pulls almost everything including bosses
>he activates the shield before the floor turns blue = wipe
>"my mistake xD"
>had a femc@ BRD with the same surname wearing that maid outfit
I miss the days when barely anyone ran this shit for anything.
>>343906165
>Assuming that the fourth HW beast tribe is goblins
Yoshi said no to goblin beast tribes. For him Alexander is a beast tribe replacement. I doubt we're getting any more in Heavensward, except maybe a special quests.
>>343906441
I presume of course that the lack of beast tribe quests means we'll be getting more content in other areas in the next patches, right?
Ha ha...
>>343885375
If I'm not mistaken, it's already been confirmed that private housing / apartments are going to be added, either in a patch or in the next expansion. You won't get an actual piece of land or an outside area, but you will get your own private room. This will come at a much cheaper cost and will help solo players do things that you need a house for. And of course, unlike houses, there are planned to be infinite apartments.
>>343906642
They will probably try to tie up the Hildibrand/Scholasticate/Doman childrens questlines.
Post yfw red Fenrir is a Feast Season 2 reward.
Anyone here inbalmung
I'm moving there, and no I'm not interested in ERP
>>343906660
Apartments are confirmed for 3.4.
>>343906868
>I'm not interested in ERP
There's no need to lie
I have a friend who has like 3000 hours.
I dunno, mang. It's just like a WoW clone. It has the same dumb bullshit as every other MMO except it's cute.
It has that stupid dungeon finder and no interaction organically between players.
>>343906868
Why balmung if no RP? thats the only thing that place has going for it.
>>343906810
Bragging rights for days.
>playing for months now
>still haven't hit the actual HW story because friend insists on leveling other Jobs first
We just finished Steps of Faith. He has PLD and WAR at 60 already, and all the other disciples of war at 50.
By the time we actually get to the current content the next expansion will be out and he'l want to level those new jobs as well.
>>343906660
The fact that flowerpots can't be used for crossbreeding is almost insulting. All the useful and expensive crap from gardening comes from crossbreeding. What are you going to do with your two piddly little indoor pots? Grow like 20 Krakka Roots at a time? Wow, thanks Yoshi!
The problem I have with housing being limited is that so many useful resources are locked behind having land e.g. airships, stables, gardens, multiple NPCs. Apartments aren't really going to alleviate that.
>>343906989
>No interaction
You have to be more outspoken than the other player, otherwise its like staring at a wall.
>>343907228
>still haven't hit the actual HW story because friend insists on leveling other Jobs first
Nigga what are you doing
>Get your main class to lv 30
>Unlock sub classes for that sweet cross skills
>Level up to 60 your main job
>IF you want, level up another jobs
>IF
>>343907238
Those apartments might end up bigger and better than FC rooms. Maybe with gardening options.
Or they will add new flower pots that can be used for regular gardening.
If you had to choose between having a good WHM and a good SCH, who would you choose?
>>343899704
Ozma is one of the best designed 24 man fights. Fun, interesting, challenging, and requires good execution on everyone's part to make it work
>>343907308
People say this all the time yet I played blade and soul and despite being a gigantic bubble of social behavior I have never gotten anyone to reply to me in that game
I'd understand that if I was a gigantic annoying motherfucker someone would tell me to shut the fuck up even, but not even that.
Socialization went the way of the dodongo
>>343907635
Why not AST?
>>343907635
AST. It gives me buffs.
>>343901404
Final Steps of Faith Is a wonderful fight. EX is even better. Godlike music and Fun as hell
>>343907779
I don't see how that's possible
When I started out I had a few people who literally just gave stuff away to me when they saw I was undergeared, along with an FC that constantly asked if anyone wanted to run anything together. And I'm not even that talkative.
>>343907761
This is the only reason why I like to play in the morning after reset. Killing team with comet will never stop being fun.
>>343907635
>SCH in 2016
WHM/AST all the way
INFINITE BALANCE
I like Alexander better than CoilsBrute Justice is the best boss in the game.
>>343908195SNAP CLICK CRANK WHIRR WHIZZ WHAM BOOM
>>343900446
>instant kill footsteps
>the boss fucking DISAPPEARS when your camera is anywhere remotely near it
nah that shit was objectively gay
and it was just so long and boring it had no reason to be as frustrating as it was
>>343903247
At least in WoW a raid tier has 12+ bosses. In FFXIV you're lucky if you get a new boss each month
>AST has a fucking macro on every card related skill
[WAKE ME UP]
>>343908132
Luck? Choice of server? Timezone?
Who knows, but I can verify that I'm not the only one with the issue.
>tfw your Byregot's lands on an Excellent
Lucid Grind
>>343908564
Even if Locus seems like nonsense it has some fucking rad lyricsTWENTY-TWO SECTORS TESTED
FRAGMENTS IN ONE DIRECTION
CELESTIAL NOISE DETECTED
DELIRIUM UNSUSPECTED
>>343908618
FFXIV gets 5 new bosses per patch.
>>343908931
>Great Strides
>Innovation
>Excellent
>Advanced Touch
In one hit, I'm at max collectability. Is there no greater feeling?
>>343908986
Four raid bosses per six months.
And one of these days I won't get banned if I tell people I'm carrying the shit out of the run and that they ought to google a proper ass rotation.
>>343872692
Bdo is garbage
>>343909317
>Four raid bosses per six months.
>3.2 and 3.3 just came out within the past 4 (four) months and introduced 10 (ten) between them
Nice me.me.
>>343909558
When he says raid bosses I think he means bosses designed around making poopsocking autists waste as much time as possible so EX Primals and 24 man raids don't count.
>>343909705
I see, so he's retarded?
>>343906810
I want them to have the balls to actually gate something valuable behind PvP so I can drink the tears of the carebears complaining they're 'forced' to do it.
Their feast rewards are really undercooked as well. Considering how exclusive the end of season standings are, at least give a reward that's easy to show off like a badass glowing weapon or something - see: gladiator weapons and titles in wow.
They're really terrified of putting anything good as a PvP reward for some reason. Even something simple like the option to spend wolf marks on something anima related is a no-go because PvE-only fags would complain that other people would progress faster than them.
>>343909889
Some good-ass glamours are PVP gated, at least. Like that new MCH revolver.
>>343909889
How do I get into pvp?
Do I need to be organized or do I just jump in and kill people
>>343909958
Revolver of the Wanderer is hella overrated.
>>343909889
It's a shame because something as simple as allowing you to get relic mats by doing chocobo racing and LoV would breathe life into the Gold Saucer.
>>343868419
Not the end game combat, that's for sure. Buff juggling isn't fun in the slightest, and that's all the combat boils down to, keeping your 10 second buffs up at all times.
>>343910063
Pick Warrior and double crit Fell Cleave the shit out of everything
>>343910135
The Parrotbeak Revolver is much better.
>>343908618
WoW's raid tier lasts for 12 months and most people end up killing LFR/Heroic shit in a week with mythic taking a month or two. That's 10-12 months you're doing the same bosses.
>>343909958
All the pvp gear isn't locked by rank anymore.
>>343910408
Still gotta do the PVP for the marks, though.
>>343909958
>Some good-ass glamours are PVP gated, at least. Like that new MCH revolver
The revolver is ok but there are no rank requirements on PvP items anymore, so anyone can get it in a week of doing the frontline roulette or something.
I'd think better of them if they had the balls to put something like red fenrir as a top-10 datacenter reward or something. That way you can really rub it in peoples faces in afkshire - "oh you want this mount? better git gud like you did with a8s".
>>343868806
This.
This is literally the worst AAA MMO out there. There are many F2P MMOs I'd rather play over this.
If it didn't have the name, they'd be shutting down the servers already.
It alsofailed to kill WoW, despite the weebs of /v/ claiming it would
>>343910612
>There are many F2P MMOs I'd rather play over this.
like?
every F2P MMO I tried lately is P2W bullshit or servers are ghost towns.
>>343910612
Name one
>BDO
>B&S
kek
This is the least social MMO community I have ever been a part of.
I have 200 hours clocked in this game and not once have I seen a single person talking in a public chat channel except gil spammers in cities.
>>343911032
>public chat
>>343911032
Nobody uses the public chat. If you want to communicate with others you need to be in a guild channel or linkshell.
Group chats are more social as well. People are just shy.
>WHM is a cat who dresses like a slut and emotes a lot
>Has the pure white title on
fucking degenerates
>>343909889
>They're really terrified of putting anything good as a PvP reward for some reason.
Because they know PvP is not very good and they only aim for the hardcore PvP autists who will play regardless.
>>343911032
NOVICE NETWORK NIGGA
>>343911420
ALL THEY HAVE TO DO
IS REMOVE GC-BASED QUEUES
WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM THAT
FOR
TWO
YEARS
And they don't listen.
Glad I bought that mount with real money instead of a few thousand gil!
>>343911689
>b-but muh frontlines lore
>b-but muh gc pride
>want to play as a melee dps
>don't want to run around bosses like retard
I hope new expack will introduce new, better classes
>>343912308
dragoon has the least amount of positionals that matter, you move 3 inches to the left every 12 seconds or so.
>>343912308
play dragoon
>>343912509
Actually Ninja has less positionals
Fuck all WoWrefugees who are migrating to this game in mass numbers. All they do is complain about the most trivial shit and expect the devs to implement everything WoW has from level boosts to shit like a faster GCD.
>>343911778
You mean a few million
>>343884764
Those two are actually my most played jobs. Mained SMN in ARR and main WAR in HW. They are easy as fuck to play on controller because of the long ass GCD for the classes.
>>343913409
That's the part where you post the screenshot.
>>343911420
>Because they know PvP is not very good
PvP isn't popular not because it 'isn't very good', but because PvP content in general isn't popular in games as a whole.
It's the same reason why even amongst dedicated PvP games, starcraft is dwarfed by mobas, or fighting games are so niche. It's intense, you take a hit to your ego if you lose because it's all on you, most people wouldn't willingly put themselves in situations like that.
PvP will always be niche in a carebear genre like MMOs for that reason, and that's why they'll never gate anything truly valuable behind it. Evidently, putting weapons and a mount behind A4S/A8S is ok, but somehow not for datacenter top 10/100 (which is an even harder achivement).
>>343872060
basically this, my legacy server was basically a ghost town like 3 months into heavensward. the game needs some major changes for me to come back
>>343913892
which legacy server, balmung and gilgamesh are still full 24/7
>>343913702
Don't have it unfortunately
>>343913376
>Fuck all WoWrefugees who are migrating to this game in mass numbers
Then why no one plays it?
I played a while ago and had an okay time. Considering coming back.
How's DRK and WAR? WAR was my shit and DRK looks fun as hell.
>>343868983
Aquapolis is pretty fun, senpai. That random element, sudden goblin or Gigas attack, the fucking doorrrrrrs. At least I enjoy it
>>343915163
WAR is the best job in the game. DRK is ok.
>>343914778
servers are so packed with WoWrefugees that they have to limit character creation on servers
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/80cd4583bf743600105b947d6906d0909189e479
If a DPS is doing less than the tank while in i230, is it alright to kick them?
>>343877853
For you.
>>343892521
Jesus Christ, what happened to WoW? Are they trying to make each spec into a MOBA character now?
>>343915781
Got rid of combos, focusing on maintaining buff/debuffs while dancing with mechanics.
>>343915546
Yes, god yes, but DO NOT tell them you're kicking them for their low DPS. Parsing is technically against the rules, but it only comes to bear when you call people out for being shitters.
>>343915278
>we *may* institute a temporary restriction on the creation of new characters.
>4 US servers
She's dead, Jim.
>>343915546
>Anti-Tower
>we have a DRG
>doesn't jump, neither rotations
>run takes fucking forever
>>343916468
At least of you stay lancer you get ALLLL THE COOLDOWNS
>>343916075
I usually come up with an excuse, usually being true as well.
>BRD - They didn't play Foes once
>DRG - Where's Heavy Thrust
>MNK - Couldn't maintain GL3
>DRK - Darkside isn't optional, they should play PLD instead
>NIN - I don't see that TP bar budging on trash pulls
>>343885737
I'm sure your claim is backed by factual numbers.
>>343916468
>Do roulette
>Healer and tank doing more dps than the dedicated dps
>>343893025
BDO dies once you hit max level and gear. There's nothing to do, and it's extremely punishing for a f2p mmo. lose 1% each time you die, hours of farming for a >chance< at upgrading gear. Failing that chance requires hours of farming to repair, or you may of lost a level and went back any further. Failing to enchant rare accessories breaks them.
>b-b-but my node wars!
guild zergs are the only way to win that shit.
>b-b-but my life skills!
I guess you could just afk fish and ERP in tavern if that's your thing
>>343916305
it's 2PM on a American work/school day, try again later
>>343917934
I was gonna say 'school? but it's July!' then I remembered summer school is a thing
>>343918134
summer school, college, etc
>>343918031
>You can't use dps meter on the ps4
Suffering, I want to know my dps, this shit always rally me and force to compete
>>343899704
NiggNogg EX is easy as fuck, what are those shitters talking about?
>>343918297
Ask a friend to parse you. You do have friends, right anon?
>>343918392
I usually ask guildmates, but it's better to always have this data in front of me
>>343918392
HAHA
>>343918317
Pretty sure they're talking about Edgehogg Story.
>>343918297
There's a DPS calculator for console players
http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
>>343918297
Tell me about it. My WHM friend has ACT up at all times and it pumps me up to hear when I'm at the top, and I'm even more fired up when I'm not, since it means it's time to get better.
>>343909317
I wish there was something like that image ingame, like a post-dungeon report similar to the end of a PvP match. I see no reason why not include it, unless SE is afraid of hurting people's feelings.
>>343918594
Isnt that just "Dont stand in the fire while a dragon yells at you in German" the fight?
>>343918868
So, according to this thing I can pull 1900 against the A8S dummy. Holy fuck boss.
>>343919067
yes but people still can't run out of the fire even though they have a fucking sprint button and a giant indicator saying "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS FIRE".
>>343918868
Thanks, will take a look
>>343919021
>unless SE is afraid of hurting people's feelings.
And this is it exactly.
>B-but they might be undergeared!
An i200 dps should be able to beat an i240 healer with no trouble.
>>343917413
>lose 1% each time you die
>extremely punishing
the fuck
>>343919184
Or the thing about the stacking.
>>343919021
>people harass players who aren't doing enough damage
>they get their feelings hurt
>they end up quitting instead of getting gud
>SE loses money
I mean fuck those players, but at the end of the day a video game company only cares about revenue and anything that harms that is a no-go.
>>343907635
I'd pick a lucky AST over anything else.
Otherwise, I'd pick a good WHM. While the AST gets some very powerful DOT abilities, I just like the direct approach of the WHM more. By the time AST finishes casting all of those poisons and then finally does Bane, the battle's already over. Of course, they're awesome against bosses that don't constantly make themselves invulnerable or fly away but I'd rather have a party member that's great all the time.
>>343917934
What does that have to do with a post explaining they *might* restrict new characters *if* the only 4 populated servers get congested?
I'll give you a hint: it has absolutely nothing to do with what you just said.
But you did bring up an interesting point. Kids are out of school for the summer and playing games. Shouldn't ARR have a high population then? Pretty sad that the game is as dead as it is during prime time.
>>343919663
Nah, competitive aspects are always good
No men likes to lose or look bad, and even less people will just accept it and leave
>>343919663
>>343919274
It's not just those who can't or don't want to perform better. Even good players get shit on by some individuals for "not performing well". Really, some of the shitheads in this game have rediculous high expectations even in lesser content.
>>343919923
the list changes every 3 hours and it's not even close to primetime in american hours yet.
>>343868419
Nothing, if we're talking about 3.0
I mourn for the 3.0 kiddies and wowfugees that didn't experience 2.0 from the beginning.
I also mourn that 1.0 wasn't a proper sequel to XI
>>343920061
>I also mourn that 1.0 wasn't a proper sequel to XI
It was
They both were shit from the start until the end, so you can say that it successor of XI
>>343919923
>let's ignore that 80% of the Japan and EU servers are locked on that list
>Alright guys, 3.0 is coming up and gathering is too fun. What can we do to make it more annoying and tedious?
>I've got an idea boss, you're gonna love this. First, instead of having them buy or craft their gear directly, lets give them their own currency that they have to earn by turning in a load of low-tier items. There will also be a higher tier of this currency which you need for the good gear, and we'll cap how much they can earn per week at a really low amount.
>Alright, I'm liking it so far.
>Then, we'll make it so to gather endgame materials, they have to save up a shitload this currency to buy tomes that let them access the nodes! There's one tome for each zone, and they'll each cost 5000 of the currency!
>Holy fuck, that's genius. Good work!
>Wait, I'm not finished. For the finish, we'll also add special hidden nodes that they only have a chance of accessing by putting a buff on themselves. They buy the buff with the currency, and it lasts 5 minutes!
>You're getting a fucking raise.
>>343920531
>gathering in XIV
>fun ever
>>343920531
I...I didn't know, gatherer bros. I'm so sorry.
>>343920814
>sympathizing with jews
>>343920797
Every gatherer I've seen in this game is a bot
>>343920263
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
OUCH.
Imagine how dead this game is now.
weebshit
>>343921943
>jumped from less than 1 million to 4 million in 6 months
pretty good actually
>>343922035
I like how nobody links this article ever and it probably doesnt cite or explain its source.
>>343922035
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/26/final-fantasy-14-a-realm-reborn-has-over-4-million-registered-accounts
>subscribers
>actually reigstered accounts
Square Enix has taught their fanboys to obscure facts well.
>>343922308
That's because he's trying to hide the fact that they incorrectly reported registered accounts as subscribers.
Subs were estimated at 800,000 to 1.2m at that time.
>>343922308
http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/final-fantasy-xiv-has-had-5-million-subscribers-is-second-most-popular-subscriptionbased-mmo-33713
http://wccftech.com/final-fantasy-xiv-has-almost-5-million-subscribers/
https://mmos.com/news/final-fantasy-14-reaches-5-million-subscribers
http://massivelyop.com/2015/07/06/final-fantasy-xiv-previews-alexander-claims-5m-all-time-subs/
http://masterherald.com/world-of-warcraft-losing-subscribers-to-final-fantasy-xiv-sixth-expansion-pack-seeks-to-arrest-declining-gamer-interest/25388/
>>343886737
No it's not.
What?
>>343922807
From your own link:
>During today's Japan Expo, Final Fantasy XIV Producer Naoki Yoshida shared that the game has accumulated a total of five million paid subscribers during its 21 months on the market.
>To be clear, the current subscriber count hasn't been announced, nor has Square Enix ever shared this figure. The five million subscriber total doesn't include trial accounts, and only those who have at one time or another paid the $12.99/$14.99 monthly fee making it a substantial feat.
>Estimates place FFXIV at around 800,000 to 1.2 million subscribers after a one million subscriber bump from February's announced total of four million, averaging at around 9,000 new players per day over four months. Significant post-launch updates and the arrival of Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward have been key components to recent growth.
>>343922725
even if 5 million paid for the game at one point, that's still impressive. same deal with 800k subs, that's more than any other MMO besides WoW right now. for comparison, one of the other most popular MMOs EVE only has about 100k active subs.
>>343887310
IF ONLY I COULD
JUST WITH ONE I COULD
PLEASE LOOK MY WAY
>>343920531
Sounds worse than crafting. I'll just get them to 60 and forget they exist hrm.
>>343868419
the soundtrack
other than that it's a worse version of WoW
well, I guess it's also better at churning out crack (content) for the pve hamster wheel crowd
>>343923212
That's not impressive for an expansion release.
All current stats point to the game being dead only a year later.
So I just did Garuda for the first time and it was really hard to me. Do I suck or is she known to be tough?
>>343923381
what's impressive for an expansion release then?
>>343923720
You suck.
Did you do story Garuda? The fights brainless.
Did you do Garuda Hard or Ex? She's been nerfed into the ground.
>>343923212
>less than 16% subscriber retention on a brand new expansion
>impressive
>>343924031
>60 million people bought wow
>less than 3 million subs left
>>343923720
All 3 versions of Garuda were nerfed because of shitters.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Yes you're bad.
>>343907030
He said ERP, not RP.
>>343924206
>half of those subs are chink bots
>>343906868
I am, let's play together Anon.
>>343923720
story garuda is weird for some reason, its in this weird roulette black hole or something.
I remember when i was leveling, the queue took ages and i only ever got paired with out leveling people. So we basically had to do it 'legit'.
I've never gotten into that 4-man story mode garuda doing max level roulettes before, only the 8 man hard version, so I'm guessing its just in a weird spot. Every other fight is pretty much a cakewalk since thanks to roulettes you get an army of max level players carrying you.
>>343922035
Blunder of centurity11111
I had such a high hopes, but in the end I was right for never moving out from the glorious XI
>>343924378
Meanwhile in Square Enix land
>>343923949
>>343924228
What can I say? It was really confusing, a lot of things were happening at once. If I did it two or three more times I might have it. I was a healer, too.
>>343924505
Yeah, two of us had never done it before. But still.
>>343923341
>Sounds worse than crafting.
Crafting has the same shit but insead of needing items for nodes, you need items to increase the chances on good and excellent status. They lowered the chances on purpose past level 54 crafts. I'm sure it's even lower at 60.
Also specialist and crafters have way more gear. Not to mention it's harder to get red scripts for them. You either need a lot of luck finding the right material in HQ in chests or ventures, or need to craft it (with various crafting classes) in HQ which you most likely need HQ mats for to even get high enough for what could still out normal. Gatherers just need average level 60 gear, some potions and time to collect something for red scripts. Hell, you don't need to get the rare shit. The lowest red script items stil give like 10 or 15. Meanwhile crafting mats gives you about 3 or 4 red scripts.
I'm sure I forgot some other shit, but whatever. Of course you can just buy crafter gear and HQ mats to turn into collectible items in no time.
>>343924709
You do realize that the game didn't launch on steam until the latter half of 2.0's lifetime, right? Most people use SE's launcher. Plus, servers are shared with PS3 and PS4 players. Steam numbers are not accurate for this game at all.
That said, 3.0 was trash and I wouldn't be surprised if subs were low
>>343924869
>I was a healer, too
You literally had the easiest job, shitter.
>>343924986
>Most people use SE's launcher
[citation needed]
>>343924709
HAHAHAHAHAH DOING WORSE THAN BLUNDERBORN
TORTANIC 2.0
>>343925145
>most people launch the game through steam
[citation needed]
>>343925130
>implying DPS isn't the most braindead job
>>343924869
Yeah I'm not sure what's up with that 4-man story mode garuda, because its not on the max level roulette list at all. You basically only get grouped with other leveling people, so you all have to do it in shitty leveling white gear.
That one fight while leveling still stands out as one of the only times in the game I've had to put my game face on.
>>343925327
Then why 90% of the players can't do it well? Any faggot or woman can play healer.
>>343925303
This should be easy to work out, all you have to do is post your original source.
>>343925262
>>343924709
retards