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>you got a degree in games design
No I didn't.
>you got a degree in being an idea guy
>>343866217
underrated
>you got a degree
>you
I have a feeling that they dont actually hire people with design degrees but instead hire randoms off the street
>oh baby
>you
>you got what i need
who else fell for the STEM meme?
>>343866112
>he got a degree in games design
>>343866434
They hire whoever has the nicest portfolio showing off what they've actually done. 10 years of school is useless if your portfolio is still crap.
>>343866442
>but you say he just a friend
>but you say he just a friend
>>343866504
I did. Fuck, I was told engineer was insta-job.
>>343866504
t. Arts/Humanities major
>>343866112
>tfw good at designing gameplay but too lazy to make use of it
Do these things actually help you or do people really ask for them if you were to apply for a company?
I've never heard of anyone getting into a video game company with a degree and a portfolio
>xe got a degree in sociology
>You saved anime
>degree in games design
>doesn't know how to code
>doesn't know how to art
I have a friend that did this
I have a bachelors in primary Education.
Probably make more money if I shat out some game maker garbage and sold it as an 'interactive experience' and tout my character designs as being progressive and artsy.
>>343866112
>he graduated high school
lol
How does it feel to be literally retarded?
How's Project Management for an IT business?
I'm doing a finance degree and retaining like none of this.
>>343866623
I want to protect that smile.
>tfw history degree
>>343867567
With the ease in accessibility of great resources on the Internet, I think companies focus on finding raw talent and drive, rather than someone who needs to be taught.
>>343867567
Honestly, not really. The way I see it the following is the most likely to affect your chance of getting a job from most likely to least:
>luck
>knowing someone who know's someone
>portfolio
>experience
>
>
>degree
>>343867567
Video game companies don't hire people with 'video game degrees'. They higher coders, artists, writers, account managers, lawyers, PR companies, sound engineers, platform engineers, hardware engineers and consultants. But not 23 year olds with a 'degree' in 'Video game design' from some second rate community college or TAFE.
>>343866112
>tfw there's a cute as fuck girl at my work who's studying game design
I'm still too scared to ask if she likes Pathologic
>>343867167
>OH BA-BYYYY YOU
>>343866112
>Knew faggot who's studying game design degree
>He's still updating his Minecraft mod with the rest of his useless friends
>I randomly got a writing job for a game studio with zero qualifications
>>343867567
they hire people with good portfolios
most game schools are a scam
>>343867870
So it's pretty much a scam to get kids to spend 10,000 dollars on a useless degree? Thought so, my friend has a "game design" degree and she's been out of a job for a few years now.
>>343867870
This. No one wants to hire a visionary. The REASON they're hiring is because someone's already HAD vision.
They hire to help create that vision the way THEY want. They want your skill not your ideas.
Which is why video game degrees are such bullshit. They essentially teach you how to phrase good ideas.
>>343867991
>GOT WHAT I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
>>343868071
It's a meme-degree. Yes. Kinda' like gender studies, yet somehow you retain less dignity.
tfw any degree costs 10000 dollars
>>343868160
Unfortunately, you can get jobs with a gender studies major.
>teachers
>advisors
>motivational speakers
Awful.
>>343866623
He has such a kind laugh
>>343868253
Exactly. There's almost, ALMOST, dignity in a gender studies degree because if you're preachy enough you can sucker, guilt and bully your way into someone hiring you.
Having gender study majors looks great in government statistics.
Get a degree in video game design and you may as well apply to become the Sandwich Artist you were always ment to be.
>>343868220
AMERICA
>>343866504
I'm an Electrical Engineer and Ican't find a job anywhere.
>have a B.S. in Psychology
>didn't take one single Clinical course during my undergrad
Feels good man.
>starting Master's in August
>worried over comprehension/memory issues interfering with my ability to succeed
Feels bad man.
>>343868220
>10,000
mine's about 50,000all on the govt dole though, so I actually got paid to get it :^)
>>343867387
>>343868981
What was y'alls GPA? Are you guys not willing to move or something? No internships?
>>343867624
JUSTICE
>>343869120
>he thinks jobs give a shit about GPA
>>343866112
>tfw English major
>>343869120
The market is insanely oversaturated.
>>343866112
Yes, I did.
I also got to meet Kojima and Suda51 because of this. :)
>>343869312
>he doesn't know that the bigger/better companies don't have at least a 3.0 GPA requirement, some having a 3.5 GPA requirement
>>343869312
You're both right, Jobs usually don't if you have the experience. But internships generally do if it's a competitive field.
>you got a degree in biology
>>343869623
>But internships generally do if it's a competitive field.
And then they make you work for free.
>>343869394
You will get a job. Unless you're not teaching certified.
>>343868071
They're usually set up by secondary educational institutions like 'Evocca college' in Australia, and the equivalent in other countries. You see them advertise on facebook and shit sometimes. They capture high-school drop outs and stupid people with promises of careers in Video games and often give a 'free gaming laptop'. I have a few friends who have alienware laptops because of shit like this, but they only get to keep them so long as they're enrolled. So they're paying more for the laptop in the long run anyway.
They're dodgy and useless. Absolutely fucking retarded. Go to university if you want to actually make something of your life.
>You got a degree in Mathematics
>It is not $500k starting
>>343869672
>you didn't get a degree in anything
28 years old and I'm just stocking shelves. At least it's at night so I don't have to deal with anybody.
>>343869863
What about a "gaming" degree from an actual university?
>>343869914
>having high standards
wew lad you gotta work your way up, kiddo
>>343869107
Mines 50k for the entire 4 years. Except I don't have to pay anything for it upfront, and I actually get 16 thousand per year as 'Student Allowance'.
Australia is cool.
>>343867970
She has a dick, dude.
>have a friend who has a game design degree
>constantly claims he's an expert
>never shows us anything
>tease him and ask why he's still working a 9-5 retail job to play back the money he lost on the degree
>>343869974
Same thing. Although if it's a 4 year degree they might actually teach practical skills. But you're still better off focusing on one particular field, like coding, writing or even fucking art (3d modeling, graphic design etc).
>>343869914
Bachelor of Education here45k starting, 60k with 10 years experience in a private school. ;-;
i wanna do a psychology degree and have crazies pay me to talk to them and work out their issues
>>343869723
What's funny is the less you get paid the harder you have to work.
>Unpaid internship
>Expected to work 50-60 hours
>>343870210
Do you have any experience with mental disorder or unfortunate, irregular events during life? If not then please do not go into Clinical with the purpose of becoming a counselor/therapist/etc.
>>343870201
At least it's not social work
>Must have Masters
>Starts at 35k
>>343869672
>biology
Meme.
>>343870201
That sounds like ass
I know they need to be wary of hiring only people interested for the money, but I feel like they also drive away a lot of good people who would otherwise be interested
Though I guess that latter point is something employers are all good at
>>343870129
I wanna get into programming, but the closest four-year degree my future school has is called "Digital Simulation and Gaming." One of the professors has already advised me to pursue this degree even if gaming isn't necessarily my focus.
I hope I make it, bros.
>>343870246
This
Fuck I want to reroll my life.
>You got a criminal justice degree
>Making bank with a BA as a paralegal
>>343870460
Programming is meaningless in college. Most employers will see it as a weakness that you needed to go to college to learn it.
I'm dead serious, the company my brother works at declined applicants WITH degrees if their portfolios weren't filled with independent work.
Fuck college. Get coding.
>>343870386
The money definitely drives away people who don't have a passion for teaching.
I myself value education highly, and love working with children. I have career aspirations further than being a year 4 teacher forever. I'll eventually work my way up to principal, then district/regional education department work - and then one day, after many many many years of hard work and further education either teach Education at University degree levels or work for the ministry of Education.
I love my job though.
iam gonna get that degree in hystory
I'm an employed career councilor. Ask me anything Reddit.
>>343870460
>>343870602 knows what he's talking about
>>343866112
>Getting a games design degree
>>343870460
Do it. If you want to learn programming and coding, do it, go for it, follow your dreams. Learn and learn and learn until you want to die, and then keep learning. College/University is hard, and its draining, and you'll want to quit when you're finishing an assignment overnight for the 50th time, but keep at it.
Even if what this guy says (>>343870602) is true, do it. You go to Uni/College for personal fulfillment and knowledge. If employees don't hire people with degrees, then just say you don't have one. But I personally think this guy is full of fucking shit. A degree or bachelors shows you have the work ethic to start something hard and see it through.
Go for gold man, and don't stop at bronze or silver.
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>>343870602
I don't think I have the discipline to teach myself. I'm depressed as fuck and think about killing myself pretty much every day. I'm not even that passionate about programming; it just seemed relatively laid-back.
I don't know what the fuck to do with myself.
>>343870870
Thanks for the encouragement, anon.
You got a degree in international bussiness
>>343870870
Except the software development industry doesn't work as others do. It's not about your education, it's about your skill.
Sure you can lie and say you don't have a degree, but if you're gonna' do that, why bother getting one?
Write an application, get a few friends together and write and app with them. See if you can't integrate some formal design methodology and it'll shine a thousand times brighter than any degree ever will.
I downright fucking guarantee it >>343870927.
College for programming is a waste of time, money and might leave you in a WORSE position for an employer than if you didn't go.
>>343870602
>>343870773
>Programming is meaningless in college
I feel like this is due to all those meme graduates who can't even do Fizzbuzz. When I was interviewing around, a lot and I mean A LOT of interviewers kept remarking how I was doing things that other candidates had no hope in and I wasn't just sure if they were buttering me up but after being in it for awhile I can see it may not have been a complete lie.
But going through a respectable curriculuum either in-school or on your own will help you in the long-term. Some red flags are if you don't have a rigorous first course where the instructor bothers you to hell and back about signatures, concise expresiveness and lambdas.
>>343869074
Samefag here. One of my first courses in the Fall is Stats and, as I only took one basic Stats course during my undergrad while not remembering shit from it, could any of you niggas recommend me any decent places where I can begin studying?
I have https://www.openintro.org/stat/ bookmarked that a buddy told me about a while ago but I figure it can't hurt to ask for other suggestions as well. The more basic and simple that it explains things, the better. I'm practically an unintelligent five-year-old when it comes to this.
>>343871030
business*
Why can't I spell tonight?
>>343866112
Got a degree and masters in psychology and starting a career in hr. Its pretty comfy.
>Did degree in games design
>Got super into concept art Design
>Did the entire classes Concept art for their "games"
>During an outing to a con get really into talking to a former Retro Games concept artist
>Says I'm pretty good
>I make around $1,000 a week sitting on my ass drawing
Feels good man, I only wish I knew a course that let me do literally nothing but conceptual Art Design.
>>343870927
>programming
>laid-back
Oh Anon.
>tfw can't decide between getting a STEM degree (maybe CS), some other easier bachelors degree, or go for something like an associates or apprenticeship
>most any googling about this just brings up "x degrees that make most money" without regard to anything else
Help me /v/.
>Got a degree in gastronomy
feels good man
>Tfw electrical engineering
>Got a full-ride scholarship so even if I don't get a job immediately I've missed out on nothing and still have the ability to do whatever I want while I keep looking
It feels good
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>>343870927
>it just seemed relatively laid-back
You are going into one of the most high-stress jobs in the world. Feeling customers breath down your neck as some code you've never seen before needs to start working in the next hour is one of the most soul-crushing experiences ever.
Hope you thrive under pressure.
>>343871117
why do you want a course if you already have a job?
>>343871240
Isnt gastronomy a pretty shitty career?
>>343871079
I don't know if you're in the US, but I did a fair amount of programming in high school and my university forced me to take 3 semesters of basic computer science anyways because I didn't have class credit for it. There's not much you can do about it in most situations
What degrees are guarantee jobs?
>psychology B.A.
I now teach English in Japan but, I I'm getting very serious into photography, how fucked am I? Anyway for me to slither into something business related?
>>343871345
Because if I could have taken it instead of just games design I would have.
Then again, you will never guess how much money I made off of my games Design degree by creating assets for "idea guys"
It's funny.
>>343871154
>>343871275
You guys are scaring me. I don't know what else I'm good at, if anything. Fuck, I don't even know if I'm good at programming yet.
>>343871275
>programming is one of the most high-stress jobs in the world
your ancedotal evidence might suggest otherwise but that's generally not true
>>343871246
>tfw electrical engineering
>been working at a grocery store for 6 months after being neet post-graduation for 6 months
at least part time I got plenty of time for these video games
>>343866112
>didn't get a degree in game design
>got a job as a planner at Squeenix anyway
Weird how life turns out.
>>343870927
>I don't think I have the discipline to teach myself. I'm depressed as fuck and think about killing myself pretty much every day
Im the guy you thanked for encouraging you.
I have problems with depression a lot, and I find over my break periods this gets worse. I've tried to kill myself twice, and i've tried almost every medication a doctor could prescribe. Know what actually helps me though? Staying busy, focused and fixated on a goal. It brings meaning to your days and gives you something to keep your mind on. It's great and a large number of studies have shown that saying busy can help with depression. So, even more reason to go for it man. If you want it, you can do it. Tell yourself everyday you can do it, and you will.
I dropped out of grade 11 and started doing drugs and drinking too much. I actually had to go to rehab when I was 20. But now I have a bachelors degree and a stable career. The power of focused institutionalised Education is mind boggling - and I think it'd do wonders for you. So go for it.
>>343871246
>full-ride scholarship
Are you a wizard?
>>343871232
Just get a BS in chemistry and make shampoo for a living. It's a pretty safe bet.
>>343871232
Don't even bother with an associate, they're a waste of money. Apprenticeship would probably be the least stressful.
>>343871420
People call STEM a meme but honestly it's probably your best bet if you want to actually make decent money. You have to go to every event your uni offers to try to network and land internships though because those are extremely competitive and also the only thing that employers will look at when hiring. I'd be willing to wager that most anons complaining about not being able to find a job don't have at least two internships under their belt, it's a grind for sure and I don't blame them if they just couldn't find the internships to start though
>>343871246
>tfw paid to get my Psychology B.S.
Felt good mang
>>343871482
programming isn't laid back but this guy trying to make it sound hard as hell and school doesn't matter is full of shit
I mean that actually applies to some areas like games programming but developing apps or web programming is easy and cushy as shit if you actually have a brain
>>343871482
If you can do FizzBuzz on you're first try you're better than 90% of college grads and 50% of hired programmers.
>>343870045
That only makes it better.
>>343867616
>>xe got a degree in sociology
>looks at keyboard to see how close the h key is to the x key...
>>343871482
I worked as dev for 7 years for a small company, and I worked my ass off. You might be able to find some comfy gig in a large company and just hide from all responsibility, but I strongly doubt it.
The reality is that it's not easy work, and it will take more time and energy than you think.
>You got a degree in animation AND games design
>>343871364
what do you mean by shitty?
if you are rich you can make your own business and make a restaurant. if not you have to climb to the top, working on shitty places, until you get experience and recognition to handle a kitchen or make a menu for an hotel, or cook on a recognized restaurant, or some other shit
>>343871591
>be math major
>CS department eyes us like a snake in their garden, their internships are unavailable to us
fug
>>343871154
>
writing this from office and i post on 4chan 5/8 of work hours
if you are decent at programming and dont have high ambitions you can just get a simple code monkey job with alright pay and live the dream
>>343871482
It's hard work. If you want something relaxing, go into design or some other pseudo-field.
>>343871556
There's a couple of tricks to it anon that I found out that helped me land it.
Apply to a lesser-known public college far away. I changed from the west to the east coast and it's a university that has 94% in-state. They're pretty much begging for people from anywhere else and the scholarships are easier because they know out of state tuition won't bring anyone in.
Also I had 2250 SAT's and 34 ACT's which won't do much at a private school, but public school's standards are low
I don't have a degree
>>343868114
Settle down, Beavis.
>>343871435
Do you have a steam? I'd love to ask questions about teaching English in Nippon-land
>>343871435
Fellow psych grad here with masters in applied psychology. HR is your best bet. Gotta start at the bottom and get a qual in it but its a pretty natural transition. Got a CIPD cert in it to compliment my studies but not sure how it is in the US
>>343871825
I was CS before I switched. I don't know why you guys are barred, the whole CS major is just implementation of algorithms for the most part as long as you know coding syntax
>>343871801
I think he was trying to make a joke, anon.
>>343871747
>animation
That's actually useful though. You can create something cool and be proud of it. Of course you'll have to slave away for hours and won't be paid much, but at least it's creative.
>>343871867
Probably the smartest person ITT.
>>343869672
>you got a degree in neurobiology
>>343867387
It was not too long ago. Now I'm rotting in a non-engineer job that pays a ton and my engineer friend joined a company and doesn't even do design because it's outsourced to India.
It's not going to stop at just the manufacturing jobs :)
>>343871935
What made you go into HR, anon? I'm starting my Master's in Applied Experimental Psychology soon but I plan to go into psychopathology.
>>343871435
How's teaching english in Japan?
I'm considering signing up for JET after I graduate because the yen is so much stronger than the nzd, so I'll be able to pay off my degree quicker.
>>343866112
I wasted my time AND money. Whoops.
>>343871946
i always suspected we're barred because, and i realize i'm tooting my own horn here, but when math people can program (i.e. there are some math kids who I know who don't get it at all) they blow the less than top CS students away
CS courses certainly help boost my otherwise middling math grades
>>343871586
It did seem like that, I was having trouble finding associates degrees that would lead to good careers/pay. I have a buddy that is working in some tech job without a degree for about 24 bucks an hour, so maybe I should get some certs/tech knowledge/maybe programming and try for those. Need to ask him how he landed that job.
>>343871956
oh...
>>343871482
>Studying CS
>Can't afford to take an extra year
>Am not enthusiastic about it but it's the only thing I know
>Can't switch majors because I'm too far in to start anything else
>Can't tell if I don't like the major or if I'm just too depressed to enjoy anything
I know the feeling anon, it'll be okay we're gonna make it
>>343867870
Actually, a lot of "game design colleges" have programs set up with actual game developers to get people working there into a job.
But the thing is, you'll get a job somewhere at the lowest possible, work there for a few years and then be replaced by someone cheaper who did the exact same thing as you. Then you are fucked because you've got a useless degree.
Why do you think video games these days are so shitty and technologically so poorly made? Most of the people working on them are kids fresh out of some game design school.
Is "programming" lower on the totem-pole than "computer science"? I never understood the difference. Don't you both learn to code anyway?
>>343871482
It's a long road that leads to quite a bit of hard work. But hey, maybe you'll become Bill Gates 2?Probably not.
>major in business
>both useless AND boring
Honestly I respect people who major in shit like games design, because at least they get to have fun while they're spending the most important years of their lives building a CV no employer will take a second look at.
>>343872253
>it'll be okay we're gonna make it
You might, maybe. I'm completely fucked.
>>343871482
Code-monkeys are essentially slaves. Mediocre pay for crazy pressure and workload?
Fuck. That.
>>343871698
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic about people who identify as god knows what and demand from you to use their custom pronouns.
>>343872156
I believe it to be honest. I had my 4 year course load planned out and in order to get the major I needed only 3 math classes beyond calculus. Every other mathematical concept was to be taught in CS classes which I assume teach implementation instead of theory. I made it through two years with just my high school calculus and was nervous whenever actual math problems came up.Then I switched to computer engineering and actually learned more about computers AND math then I would have before
>>343866796
Fucking this. Coming from someone who has a degree in criminal psychology, you are fucked unless you actually have experience to back the degree up. People who act like College instantly leads to big jobs and big money need a wake up slap.
>>343872270
computer science delves into the academics behind it, a real 'computer scientist' does research
undergrad cs is basically a primer
in fact, it's basically "math, with applications to CS"
programming just implies you're writing code which can mean anything, like being a code monkey
honestly I think many of these terms are overloaded
>>343872401
Bruh, business major is great. We order around the slaves and don't do shit aside from "have this ready by Friday". We also get to dress nice as fuck and make more than the actual workers.
>wanted to be a teacher
>the situation in the schools here is absolutely fucking abysmal, teachers have no authority anymore, kids do whatever they want and get away with it
>also, there's a shitload of paperwork to do, more time is spent on it than actually teaching
>and your odds of getting a job depends heavily on what subject and years you pick
>tfw ended up pickingpreschool
>>343872270
They're similar in the sense that they both use computers, Computer Science is centered around algorithms and theory. Depending on the school you can not even do programming classes in the comp sci course.
>>343872028
For me here in Ireland a PHD is a necessity to become a clinical Psych and that is 4 years of extra study. That would make me 31 before I got a proper job or even started a career. So I felt I would use those years insteas to get on my feet and HR is the most natural transition from psychology. That and its one thing for Paddy coming in screaming that Larry stole his office teddy or a legal dispute and quite another having people coming to you over very personal and very emotional problems.
>>343866112
I'll do you one better, anon
>you got a degree in digital media / broadcasting
>>343872401
>major in business
Isn't the idea with that to take some of the knowledge you learned in school and apply it towards your entrepreneurship?
1/2
>>343872502
Oh, thanks, that's a good explanation. So a computer scientist is then a person more suited to the theoretical side of computers, while a programmer is essentially a guy who speaks a few weird robot-languages and does that well enough to translate between man and machine?
>>343872538Great choice, middle/high school kids are the worst to deal with
>>343871435
>fellow B.A. in Psychology
>also living in Japan like I am
Sup fellow expat, how's the English teaching? I've never done it so I wouldn't know. You live in Buttfuck nowhere?
>live outside the US
>my STEM degree actually means something
I'm about 50k in student loans and have a year left of uni.I have no experience or portfolio aswell. Fuck I want off this ride. Whats the quickest way to get a decent paying job/experience or am I ultra fucked?Fell for the STEM meme. Software Engineering.
>>343871482
any job has it's bad moments. I'm doing a neurobiology PhD, you don't know how much it can be shit when after several experiments your dataset is not-significative and your PI asks you to show results at the lab meeting.
But sometimes it's just fulfilling and it is what I like doing.
Try to find your own way
>>343866504
Chemistry
making bank straight outta college and secure in the knowledge that I can make meth if the economy tanks or whatever.
I might do it just to deal with my CRIPPLING student loan debt;__;
>about to start getting into engineering and work my way into maritime engineering major
I literally have no idea what I'm going into and flipped a coin for this choice.
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>>343872481
>People who act like College instantly leads to big jobs and big money need a wake up slap.
I got a job as soon as I got out of college. and im earning aroun $200 a week though
>>343872681Hope you interview incredibly well.
>>343872181
You really only need a portfolio of work to show that you're competent. Certs do help but having a body of work will make the biggest impact.
>>343872538
>mfw I just landed a job as a substitute english (ESL) schoolteacher
I have no fucking idea what to do and I'm absolutely terrified.
>>343872604
>>343872701
That's actually some good advice.
>>343872625
Yeah, I've heard that too. When I took a course in history (purely out of personal interest) a guy that had done temp work at a high school advised me: "Whatever you do, don't pick high school. They'll suck out your will to live."
Pitty, I kinda wanted to teach history but I also value my sanity.
yall wanna pay my student loan? ill trade you infinite beejays
>>343872810
>$200 a week
So you are agreeing with this guy?
>>343872898
QT?
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>>343872810
>$200/week
>big money
>anecdotal account disproves a rule
Why am I even replying
>>343872743
You honestly should.
The manufacturers of meth almost never get prosecuted, and even if they do threaten you with prosecution you can just claim you were threatened by a dealer/distributor.
Even small amounts would help you out a lot.I manufactured molly and acquired LSD to pay for my entire chemistry education.
> tfw fell for the game design degree meme
I want to reroll my life.
>>343872859
TRT can be great. Apply as a TRT to every single school you possibly can, and with a good track record could actually make a stable career out of substitute work.
Why are you terrified? You have a bachelors in Education right? You in theory know what you're doing yeah?
>Post yfw you fell for the University meme.
I should have just worked at publix or some shit after highschool and saved money.
>>343872681
Do you work on anything in your spare time?
>tfw studying game design for years
>25 years old
>almost done
>have no idea what I'm going to do after school
>regret everything
>I'm in too deep and will never find a meaningful job
>>343872859
Do you remember substitutes in school? You'll probably be able to outpace those fine.
Also it's ESL so those classes don't even reflect on the teacher anyways since every student is at such different levels and coming from a dozen different linguistic backgrounds.
I'm sure it's something you can improve over time, don't worry about it
>>343872681
>I'm about 50k in student loans and have a year left of uni.I have no experience or portfolio aswell.
Me too but I'll only be 20k.
>Whats the quickest way to get a decent paying job/experience or am I ultra fucked?
Sit on a driver's license for two years, get the necessary license and become a trucker.
>Fell for the STEM meme. Software Engineering.
Computer Science. Boy do I love politicians who accept bribes from tech companies so they can import chang and pajeet to pay them peanuts.
>That feel when you're an accountant but you have no idea how your life lead to this
Accounting is one of those jobs no kid wants to be when they are older. If you ask any accountant how they got to be an accountant, none of them will know. It just kind of happens and they never really planned for it.
Man accounting is so shit. You turn off every part of your brain except the part that can handle (mostly simple) numbers and do useless shit all day. Accountants have no souls because accounting is the sort of job that destroys souls.
On the upside accounting goes all the way up and you can get paid really well if you get into a big company and work your way up. On the downside by the time this happens you'll be a shell of a man waiting for your death.
>>343872960
nothing a blindfold cant help with.
>>343873043
>25 years old
How did it take you that long to finish?
>you got a degree in maths
Should have done engineering.
>>343872646
nah I live in nice city in 広島県 (I typed where I live in kanji so the other baka gaijins won't be able to tell), teaching English is nice if you love kids, I'm able to save up a lot of money with my low rent so I'm happy I'm not in Tokyo
>>343872093
it's tight, I'm in JET
>>343871935
thx, I'd love to couple this with marketing though in some way, seems like I'd be much better at that, thank you for your advice sir
>>343871898
pdgrizzles
>>343872535
It's great for people who study something useful like engineering, get some years of work experience, and then go back for an MBA. Or people who study at a super prestigious university and build up a good network. I'm neither.
>>343872558
That's one path you can take, but you'd probably be better off getting a job out of high school to save up some money to finance your idea, and just pick up an accounting textbook for that little bit you'd be missing by not getting a business major.
>>343873043
>tfw 25 years old and haven't even started uni
I'll die old, broke, alone and with no achievements
>>343872538
What country are you from?
Im a registered teacher in Australia and work here is pretty stable and good. Contracted work per semester is fairly easy to come by and full time work can be given to you in as little as one semester if you prove yourself.
Paper work comes with the job though. Don't become a teacher unless you're prepared to face a mountain of work at all times. It's not like people say, you don't get weekends and holidays off with the kids, you're working your ass off at all times, weather that be in building your lesson plans, creating ILPs or ELPs, creating reports for the department of education, reports for your principal, grading work, attending meetings, yard duty etc etc.
its hard work man, don't be fooled into thinking it's a regular 9-5.
>>343873000
>>343873043
>Friend studying game design at a private school
>Took out 100k in money he doesn't have in loans
>I warned him against it for years
>All I can do is wish him the best and hope it doesn't flop and bring his depression back while his life is shit.
I don't know what to do anymore.
>>343872991
Retard.
>>343872931
Semi-retard.
>>343873120
>On the downside by the time this happens you'll be a shell of a man waiting for your death.
I'm already there anon. Might as well make some money at the same time.
>>343872995
I'm actually really interested in organic synthesis. so making that stuff would be interesting even if I dumped it down the sink after or whatever.
My problem is not having any connections in that world. I live in the ghetto so I could sell it myself but
1) Who'd trust to buy drugs from a strange white guy
2) Said pudgy white dude would look suspicious "posted up" somewhere around here
>>343872604
>>343872701
is this kodomo no jikan?
>>343873023
Fuck. If I could go back and tell myself that chemistry gets real boring real fast, you won't actually make much friends and it would be better to just get a trade skill I would.
But im stuck in this hell now, gone too far to turn back and get nothing. At least I won't be in crippling debt after
>you will never have the chance to be in high school again and take it seriously this time
Kill me.
I win around $700 a week.
guess my job /v/
>>343873151
Not him,but it happens more then you know. Alot of kids don't know what they want to do and the first 1 or 2 is often the rocky phase. But then we have people that just fuckin useless like this fuckboy I know that is 29 and still in college.
asuho an slut
>>343866796
How do you gain experience if companies only hire based on experience?
>>343873000
Just do what every other loser does.
Start a youtube channel dedicated to btfo'ing feminists
>>343873164
grass is always greener anon
i have a literal honors student friend who is still looking for work
despite our research experience, our
>no internship experience
kills us
>>343870829
Is this Inferno Cop?
>You have a degree in the arts
Not even im that stupid
>wanted to be an archaeologist when I was a kid
>somehow ended up in game design
What have I done to my life?
>>343873043
If you're 25 years old and want to get into games and you haven't made significant progress on your own work outside of school then what the fuck are you doing
>>343873112
>Computer science
>Started in high school, best in my class then but probably because nobody else gave a shit
>Go to uni with great grades
>My major is 80% international students who refuse to speak english and have had programming since they were much younger as a core school class
I hate how slow-paced the american education system is. In my home town they removed a required test from the graduation requirements because "only" 93% of students were able to pass it. I just want to be on par with all the gooks
>>343873151
Not everyone goes straight into university after high school.
>>343873043
Do you actually like what you're studying?
What can you do, what do you WANT to do?
Work on a portfolio showing these things, do not give up.
>>343873449
Do shit in your spare time.
>>343873176
I guess I that's better than most JETs.
Theres a reason why all the inaka jets take weekend trips to Tokyo, let me tell you. I work in Shinjuku and I have no plans of going home.
>>343873449
Companies will often say they want X years of experience, or Y skill, but that's just because they want to weed out people who aren't confident. You'd be surprised what you can get if you just apply.
No Quantity Surveyors here?
>you got a law degree
Just fucking kill me now
>>343872093
Not him but it's pretty easy. Higher levels of education is obviously harder but I do just fine with Junor high. I guess it depends on where you go too, but no prestigious place will probably hire you you're back by an English degree. The kids are friendly, and you don't really have to do that much. At least compared some other professions. I ended up in Osaka too, which everything tastes delicious. Pay could be better, but way better compared to my homeland.
>>343866504
I am in electrical engineering and got a job roght out of school. Most other people in STEM are somewhere on the spectrum so just being able to communicate like a human puts me above most others in the field.
>>343873486
It's his boss
>>343873176
No problem. Marketing can work as well but it takes a certain personality to break into it, as well as keeping up with day to day trend changes. Marketing CAN work, better than Hr in fact depending. But that depends solely on which area you want to go into. I would talk with people first or do research on it cause again, things may be totally different in the US.
>>343873449
Be persistent. Keep applying and looking for openings.
>>343873402
You could always redo highschool classes online if the grades are all you need...
I just did it at 22. Start in uni in a couple months now.
>>343866112
>you got a degree in liberal arts
>>343871543
Sure thing friendo, and my dad works at nintendo ;^)
>>343873449
Portfolio isn't experience. It's an album of "this is the kind of shit I'd be making for you if you hired me", which you put together in your free time.
>>343873449
work for free
work for less money than your competition
work on shitty places
I had to do 2 years of Stagiaire until i got hired in a real kitchen
>>343873008
>Why are you terrified? You have a bachelors in Education right? You in theory know what you're doing yeah?
Yeaaah, about that...
I don't. They're low on english substitutes and basically gave me the job for being highly qualified in the language. I have zero teaching knowledge or experience.
>>343873062
Thanks, I'll do my best.
>>343869396
Wait a few years. The baby boomers are all dying and retiring now. There's going to be plenty of space in pretty much every field of work soon enough.
>>343866112
>>343871543
It's a scam made by colleges. The industry never made any notion that you needed a degree to get into it, just a portfolio that showed your work because ultimately that's what it comes down to, whether you're competent and creative and can get shit done by wasting hours and hours overtime per week making levels.
I honestly feel sorry for anyone who gets into the game industry. Reminds me of this video back in 2010 about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGar7KC6Wiw
>>343873235
>What country are you from?
The New Caliphate of Sweden.
It's not the paperwork that's the biggest reason for my decision, Ãts the lack of respect, threats that teachers apperantly face and completet lack of authority teachers have here. And the pay is not very good either.
>Do a course on game development
>Land a job as a game designer in less than a year
>Still here four years later
Can't complain
>>343873427
23 this year and still don't know what to do. All of my interests like Graphic Design and Animation wont net me a job in Australia since there's no demand for it. It's all I know really.
>mfw looking up courses for graphic design
>those fucking prices
If you're into art, anons. Just teach yourself or find an apprenticeship like I did in the field.
>23 years old
>4 more years of studying
just fucking end me
>>343873593
>no prestigious place will probably hire you you're back by an English degree.
No offense, but would you mind clarifying what you meant by this?
>>343870602
>Programming is meaningless in college. Most employers will see it as a weakness that you needed to go to college to learn it.
Please don't listen to this
>>343866112
>letting your major dictate your career.
Literally the definition of a stupid faggot.
You can become a medical doctor with a degree in art, as long as you have a 4.0 GPA, ace the MCATs, and take and ace any additional prerequisite courses you don't have before applying.
Same with Law School...or just...any job, and justify how your degree has given you some skills or some talent that is relevant to the duties it entails.
>>343873501
Make games about archeologists
> not majoring in biochemistry
>>343866504
Here, job prospects are no remedy for hating every second of my life I spend working
>>343873989
>You can become a medical doctor with a degree in art
>>343873958
Except that it's completely true.
If you can't learn programming with nothing but a computer, you have nothing worthwhile to show an employer.
If you learn it yourself, you'll stand out as an enthusiast. If you learn it from college, you'll be another copy of the 7000 other people who applied for the job, and you'll be just as shit at is as they will.
>>343866112
>teacher is not even an actual game dev.
what's the point? is this why western games always has boring gameplay?
>>343873635
I probably already have that personality I'll be starting a kickstarter this year and I've just done so much observational research (lol) that I'm pretty sure it will work and it's nothing too outlandish, not asking for tons of moeny or anything, just think it would look sick on a resume, consumers are so fucking formulaic it's so easy with the right language your market positively responds to the most. I also love capitilism morally yay, thx for the solid advice, I have to look into this big time, My English teaching in Japan is probably only good for another 2 years
>>343874051
mah nigga
>>343874129
Let me guess, you don't have an IT degree
>>343873219
you don't need uni, just get off your butt
>>343873023
What does it matter? Just go to publix now
>>343873449
Internships.
>Biotechnology Degree
>works every fucking where
>doesn't like working out of town.
should have gone with computer relate major
>>343873989
>ace the MCATs
good luck with that.
>>343874129
Please don't talk about things you know nothing about.
>>343874103
Yeah, you can.
I knew people in medical programs when I was in it that were art, fashion, accounting. Even the silly bullshit like "kinesiology" that only athletes pretending to be smart take.
>Wanted a degree in game design
>Soon came to the realization that I fucking hate code
>But I have an eye for money
>There's a large amount of drunks in the area
>A large amount of casino goers
>And a burgeoning scene of "nerds" and gamers
>Now aiming to start a barcade
God, I hope this isn't just a worthless dream I'm chasing, but it's better than the actual fucking nothing else I had planned to do with my life.
Maybe I'll just become a franchisee for some fucking branded restaurant if it goes south.
>>343873754
What the fuck country do you live in where people can be hired as teachers without the relevant experience?
Did you have to pass a history screening background check? Did you have to apply and register as a teacher in your country? Jesus fuck.
Future game design student here ask me anything
>tfw studying programming
>already have 4 companies ready to hire me when I finish
>freelancing making dank cash
It's good being the one smart person in a town of hicks, /v/.
>>343874223
Why would I hire some cookie cutter copypaste coder over a real innovative enthusiast who loves his code monkey hobby so much he'll probably put in shit tons of free overtime without me even asking?
>>343873639
Not him, but I just wish I could redo the part where I have several easy years with tons of free time, almost no responsibility and endless opportunity. Imagine how much you could get out of that time if you could go through it after you've learned how valuable it is.
>>343874312
Do you still do the breakfast menu at this hour?
>>343874176
I do not. I do however, have a thriving career in the field.
>>343874223
I'm living proof m8. I have taken part in the weeding out of potential interviewees and there's nothing more off-putting than a guy someone with no portfolio but a flashy degree.
You people gotta' understand that this industry is used to recruiting fat anti-social nerds out of basements. This mentality hasn't gone away yet.
>>343874332
As if you'll ever be in the position to hire someone.
You realize enthusiasts go to university, too?
>>343872810
I hope this is bait. I made around that kind of money working as a package handler at UPS, which was the most shit, entry-level job imaginable. Construction jobs (or any blue-collar trade) typically pays at least 3 times that a week, and that's just starting out.
>>343874332
>implying college kids can't be enthusiasts as well
Maybe some people want to maximize their options, anon.
>>343874365
No im sitting on my ass learning combos in SFV
>>343874273
Doesn't sound bad Anon. I'd come.
>>343873862
Im Australian. Teachers are fairly well respected here unless you're at one of the very low economical area's schools. Even then you'll be okay. Pay for teachers here is pretty low too. 40-58k usually.
That pie-chart is alarming. I always thought Sweden as one of those uniquely almost perfect countries. Shows my lack of worldly knowledge I suppose.
>>343874304
>implying most teachers actually have "relevant" experience before being hired
>Implying most teachers aren't just taking the job because they fucking fail at the actual thing they wanted to do - but are desperate for an easy paycheck to herd stupid kids all day on their ABCs and 123s.
I laugh at teachers. They're like...God's joke, for the most part.
>>343873498
Some art fields can land you pretty good jobs, like animation. But artists have to make connections at college, if they can't do that it's over
>>343874409
Real enthusiasts are employed before they even apply to a waste of time like uni
>>343874332
Let's pretend like that false scenario is what's likely to occur. " real innovative enthusiast who loves his code monkey hobby so much he'll probably put in shit tons of free overtime without me even asking", is an extreme minority. There are plenty of code monkey positions to go around.
>you came into this thread expecting Luluco
>all you found was a bunch of whiny diary posts
Why are you guys so desperate to tell your life story? Go to >>>/soc/ already.
>>343874483
>Real enthusiasts are employed before they even apply to a waste of time like uni
dude you are like the distilled essence of Dunning-Kruger
>>343874273
We have one of those in my town. You pay $10 and get a wrist band that let's you come and go as you please for a day. Place is great.
>>343874380
>*off-putting than a guy with no
Don't know where that "someone" came from.
>>343874483
Sure thing anon. Best get upstairs now. Your mom has the chicken tendies ready.
>>343874520
Why you don't go to /a/ if you want anime?
>>343874467
Maybe in your country.
Here they're rigorously tested before they can even be registered. And after that you have bi-annually progress reports. You have to have your lesson plans validated and looked at and you have to present ideas to the schools you work at to further improve the student's education.
I assume you're from the States? Maybe I should just move there if it's really that easy.
A business management degree is ironically useless, according to some friends of friends
>>343874545
t. person with no vision, drive or ability who needed to learn skills from a bloated "education" system despite all the information in history being available to him at all times in the modern age
>>343874304
>What the fuck country do you live in where people can be hired as teachers without the relevant experience?
Some latin american hole. This is not how it usually goes, mind you, but I guess they were desperate enough for english subs to play it fast and loose.
>Did you have to pass a history screening background check?
Yeah.
Basically, I handed my resume, my criminal record (or lack thereof) and health certificate, bullshitted my way through an interview, passed a written text, and here we are now.
>didn't listen to my dreams and got a STEAM degree instead
Fuck having a job. What's the point in life if you can't follow your passion? Meanwhile plenty of people with vidja degrees have establishes successful companies, like Steven Kick with Night Dive, before working in the industry of almost a decade. Why did I listen to you cynic shitheads?
>>343874162
Careful with that. Not to sound crude but ones own view on their personality can be a bit off, especislly this day and age. Also kickstarter is nice but that sounds more entreprenuer than marketing. Good luck regardless.
>>343874483
>Real enthusiasts are employed before they even apply to a waste of time like uni
>>343873876
What games do you design? I can't see myself working for a company that I'm a fan of
>>343874614
That certainly is how it is here in the United States, bro.
At least that's how it is in the public schools. Literally no standards, and a shitty teacher's union that keeps bad teachers (and even straight up criminally awful teachers) from ever being fired.
Most just put on hollywood movies all day for the kid's to watch, and call it "History" class.
Seriously, it's a joke.
>>343873947
I mean rich, prestigious schools with the highest student grade average and have extensive history of being one of the best schools you can send your children to learn. While many schools are technically public entry all require you to take an entrance exam. The more prestigious schools hire more prestigious teachers, in my circle of foreign teacher friends only one has ever worked in a prestigious and he taught English at a college in America before that.
I'm not telling you this to worry, since through JET you can almost always find a school if you're capable but if you decide to stay in Japan and find yourself in need of another teaching job expect a lot more difficulty getting into a more famous school. If not an impossibility depending on your credentials.
>>343874685
if your passion is video games you made the right choice
>>343873449
Build a portfolio website. I got myself a website with a portfolio and suddenly I wasn't ignored anymore.
>>343874685
>Why did I listen to you cynic shitheads?
Because you're weak-willed and that willpower would eventually crumple any chance you had at fulfilling your dream anyway.
>>343874471
>have to make connections at college, if they can't do that it's over
I think that's true for most things really. Maybe not so strict that "it's over" if they don't really make connections, but it's an incredibly crucial part of any program at a college or university, especially if you'd like to be working right when you finish your studies.
>>343874332
the supply of programming prodigies greatly exceeds the demand for programmers in general
>>343873940
Then move. Im sure some company needs a graphic designer in Australia though
>>343874643
If you just can't afford to go to university, that's fine, you don't have to come up with a ridiculous worldview that university is actually for suckers and everyone there is actually a dummy compared to you who is a genius
>>343869672
Enjoy your nojobz
>you didn't fall for the degree meme
>you just stayed home as NEET and eventually got a decent paying job that handles everything you need anyways because you're a frugal person who's only hobbies are cheap/free
>>343874520
No one cares about your shitty gook shit cartoon #21412516161.
Fellow /v/irgins should help each other actually move outta their mom's basement.
>>343874817
This. Honestly, what people don't understand is that the programmer marked isn't just sated. It's sate with TALENT.
A lot of these people are actually stupidly skilled at what they do.
>>343874681
Thats depressing.
I hope you do a good job, not only for your sake but for the sake of the children you're teaching too.
>be asian
>rebel against my parents and go to law school instead of med school
>be ostracized by entire family during gatherings
I know I fucked up but I'm too invested to drop out now. Sorry mom and dad.
>>343874779
Fuck you. How come people have chosen this path and came out just fine? You told me vidja degrees were a scam.
>>343873757
Fucking this. I had perfect grades and had three internships under my belt by the time I got by Bachelors in EE.
The times when I did get called in for an interview, I always noticed it was between me and some dude who looked like he just walked out of a sarcophagus. I would always check the staffing site when I wasn't hired and noticed the old dudes always got hired for mundane positions just because they had my entire age in experience.
Just fuck off already and let my generation get a god damn job already.
>>343874774
JET is a fun way to get to Japan and spend a few years of your 20s, but, you're mostly a "clown" for the real English teacher (the one who doesn't speak English natively, for the most part) to ASSIST in teaching the class, or provide the "fun time" activities related to teaching English.
It's nice that everything is provided for you - but, unless you want to go full retard in to teaching english for a living...some would argue it's a giant waste of time.
Depends on who you meet and what else you can do, though.
>always loved drawing
>never took it too seriously
>23 years old
>learning how to actually draw on the side
>hope to get noticed and be good enough one day to draw assets or concept art for a game
I-I'm gonna make it some day...
>>343874864
>you're a waste to society and a shame on everyone who ever knew you
>>343874465
>I always thought Sweden as one of those uniquely almost perfect countries. Shows my lack of worldly knowledge I suppose.
We were doing fine until everything had to be politically correct to an extreme level. Now everything is just going to shit.
>drop out at first year of college
>gave up on art
>NEET for years now
>tfw 24yo disgusting weeb
might as well end my life
I work in medicine - for some reason I don't see too many health professional degrees here. Perhaps people somehow took the terrible advice that it's poorly paid and "you have to be really passionate about your job"?
>>343874998
w-were all gonna make it brah
>>343875004
How am I a waste to society for not getting a memegree? Maybe you're projecting.
>>343874998
Stick with it, Anon. Programmers are dime-a-dozen, but good artists are rare.
>>343874945
I actually meant it the other way around
most programmers suck, but most programming jobs don't require genius programmers anyway so it works out in the end
>>343874757
That's really sad. Especially for the US, supposedly the leader of the 'free world'.
In Australia we grow up consuming mostly American media. TV shows, books, movies, music and even many of the things we study come from American academics like Howard Gardner. You eventually get the idea that America is this well-run fantastic place, but that bubble bursts so quickly.
Even still, i'd love to live there one day.
>>343873712
>tfw couldn't afford to travel to Japan to be an Stagiaire.
feels badman
>>343874435
My father makes about $100,000+ putting windows in buildings in New York with the union.
>>343866112
>got a degree in games design
>it works out for you because you weren't a lazy slob and an idiot that picked a shit uni
>Drop out of college because shit's too expensive
>Got a certification that took two weeks of training
>Get effortless, well paying job handed to you on a silver platter
>Spend most of the day browsing 4chan, waiting for someone to give you something to do
>law degree
It's acutally fucking great.
>>343875049
Society does not value what you do because you have not proven you are capable of doing anything noteworthy well.
That's what college is for.
>>343874685
>plenty of people with vidja degrees have establishes successful companies
>plenty
>out of the hundreds of thousands that make it out of college with a degree in something video game related
You can still follow your passion. Having a job in a certain field has nothing to do with your hobbies at home. You can even still design games in your free time if that's honestly what you'd like to do. But pursuing that full time is a serious waste of time and effort. Having a STEM degree basically ensures some sort of success in your future. Be proud that you got a degree in something useful, where you are much more likely to be in demand and respected than anyone with a degree in game design.
>>343874957
I hope so too.
Think of it like this though. I did go through a screening process, which other people failed. That means that if it weren't for me, someone even worse would be teaching.
>>343874273
You need a major in business then. Also lots of social skills required to get investors.
>>343875071
It's still a great place - just don't send your kids to a public school. Period.
Pay the money, and send them to a private or even a parochial/religious schools. They invest in their students - and their teachers - and have actual standards.
Most public schools here though you are rolling the dice. It's either half-way decent, or a fucking disgusting nightmare shithole. Flip of the coin, really.
>>343875017
Don't man.
Everyone brings something to the world, even if you can't see it.
Even if you're soaking up the NEET life now, who knows what you'll be doing in the next 10 years.
Maybe start volunteering or doing charity work. Make a difference on the world and leave it better than you came into it.
>>343874465
Money is not the big reason either, though it is very low when compared to the time you'll spend studying. Becoming a teacher in high school takes about five years. A preschool one, three and a half. But I'm in this for the money, so it's only marginal reason for me.
>That pie-chart is alarming. I always thought Sweden as one of those uniquely almost perfect countries.
It's by no means perfect but I can imagine a lot of worse countries to live in. I mean fuck, aside form books, university here is bascially free.
Its funny, some people blame immigrant kids for the school problems, I know I did, but apperantly, according to a report I read, it's mostly white, middle class kids and their parents that are most prone to being trouble. They supposedly get furious when their kids get grades too low for their tastes.
I don't think a near perfect country existsexcept maybe Switzerland.
>>343875104
Why japan?
>tfw finally done with high school
i don't even care that i failed the exam. I'm free for fucks sake
>>343875059
I find it quite the opposite, but there again I live in Korea, so maybe it's vastly different from place to place.
>>343874960
You did the right thing, if your parents ostracize you for doing what you want to do they're bad parents. They're probably brainwashed pricks who want to exist in society through their child.
>>343874685
>STEAM degree
is this a Valve internship program or something?
>>343875224
*But I'm not in this for the money
>>343875106
He's probably been doing it for a long time. That's pretty typical when you have a lot of experience with most trades.
>>343875153
What cert/job?
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>>343875232
You were free since 16. You're not done until you pass.
>>343875232
What exam, anon? Is this a Yurope thing?
>>343869394
bro
I have a friend who i use to laugh at behind her back for getting this
She is worked several different coffee shops during college and now she landed a job as a technical writer in the silicon valley making 25+ an hour, and writes articles for a local magazine on the side.
Pretty jealous of her now.
>>343875174
>Having a STEM degree basically ensures some sort of success in your future.
So all you want a job for is money? Programming fucking sucks if you don't really care about the end product.
>You can even still design games in your free time if that's honestly what you'd like to do. But pursuing that full time is a serious waste of time and effort.
If that were true, no video games would even exist. Also the indie market is flooded and I need an environment where I can meet like minded people. Why did I ever listen to nihilist cunts like you?
>where you are much more likely to be in demand and respected than anyone with a degree in game design.
Why the fuck do you care what other people think about your degree and or job, you fucking insecure teenager?
>>343874998
Keep it going and build that portfolio. Remember that if you dont see real improvements for a while, then it isn't a bad idea to get formal training.
>got a degree in art ed
>graduated with a job at a specialty magnet title one school
>piloted+founded their program
>love my job
>50k/yr starting
>get summers, winters, and all holidays off
>4chan shit on art degrees for as long as I can remember
>>343875224
>Its funny, some people blame immigrant kids for the school problems, I know I did, but apparently, according to a report I read, it's mostly white, middle class kids and their parents that are most prone to being trouble. They supposedly get furious when their kids get grades too low for their tastes.
You know, it's very much the same here in Australia too. A lot of the 'non white' kids come from homes where English is the second language. I think it's beautiful living in such a multi-cultural country. It's mainly the white parents and kids that cause the trouble too, they think their shitty kids should be doing better than Johnny Brown and get angry when a kid knows two languages and needs a little extra support in his English skills.
Never underestimate the racism and stupidity of white people. The 'Non-western' whites are fine too. Oh how I wish I was ethnically Russian or German sometimes.
>>343875171
t. got a degree, regrets it, shitposts on /v/ to try and justify his wasted time/money
Just remember, when all else fails, you can always apply to be a gym teacher.
>>343866112
Why would anyone ever ever get a degree in game design.
>brother is in a committed relationship with someone with a master's in social work
Is that a good thing?
>>343875231
Collective agreement that my college has
>>343875029
my brother is on his 5th year of medicin and has barely any free time to browse 4chan.Shouldn't you be studying anon?
>>343875450
My degree was free and now pays for all my needs and wants with me having to do very little in return. Explain how I've made a mistake.
>>343875047
>>343875051
>>343875382
Thanks for the support my niggas. I'll try to make you proud.
>>343875273
Yeah, he's been in since the 90's. Market crash a couple years back out him out of work for a year or two though
>>343866112
there´s already too many AAA title dev teams please dont make any more games. im getting tired of this shit
>>343874960
I dont get it. If you did arts or something sure but law is also a highly regarded field. Stay strong anon, fellow asian here
I'm doing Juris Doctor at UCLA.
Am I screwed?
>>343875342
Well you see, in Norway we have this neat little secondary language calledNynorskthat nobody likes and pretty much everyone is shit at, and it just so happens that out of all the possible subject i could get an exam in, it wasNynorsk
>>343875560
Draw us some cool video game art one day that reminds us why we love this hobby.
>>343875524
Im not even sure what you're trying to imply. I didn't say anything even remotely baity?
>>343875537
Honestly my problem with medicine is that you want to go in saving lives, but the only thing you come out with is the desire to save your wallet.
>>343870829
JUSTICE
>go to nursing school after being a NEET for 10 years
>get a well paying job immediately after passing the board exam and have extremely high job security for the rest of my life
>I'm actually helping people instead of making useless video games for autists
the work can be hard sometimes, but it feels damn good.
>>343875524
Hey right though. American whites are cancer at telling thier kids to shut the fuck up and actually study to git gud. Even niggers will beat the shit outta little Jamal if he doesn't start raising his grades.
Don't remind me.
>oh you studied game design?
>yea
>so you know how to program?
>no I studied graphical design..
>oh, what a shame, or you could have a job now
Literally every conversation I have about my studies to anyone ever. At least I met a lot of great people.
>>343875645
>using a question mark while making a statement
>>343875723
Artists and creative minds are much more sought after than code monkeys where I live. Where are you from?
>>343874998
unless you can do it for solid 10 hours a day and during those 10 hours shit out 8 different concepts and 1 production painting that are all of the quality of the company you want to work for, don't even dream about getting in.
>>343869950
I'm 21 and just started doing the same, but hey I'm sure I'll make something out of my lifer-right?
>>343875785
Sweden.
>>343866112
>get a degree in education because you want to make a small contribution to your country's future, by passing knowledge and skills on to a new generation
>your government floods your country with foreigners from third world countries, thereby robbbing your people of their future
T-thanks globalists, it's not like I wanted a home for myself and my children.
>>343875723
Move.
>>343875723
>>no I studied graphical design..
UI designers are massively needed atm.
They have to be super fucking lazy and shit if they can't get a job everyone wants to give them.
>>343875668
yeah. i know what you mean. my brother has an scholarship of like 80% though since his an honor student and shit. you are all gonna make it anon.
>>343875715
>Useless video games for autists.
Someday the field of psychology will have a massive breakthrough and figure out how to use video games to treat PTSD and Depression.
And most of us will be long dead because Psychology has been nothing but taking steps backwards for decades.
>>343875827
Oh. I'm sorry to hear that. In Murrica' you'd probably be much more appreciated for your talents. Graphic designers are usually ripped out of uni to start working here.
>>343875801
Fuck off, jeremy.
>>343875446
Well, on the other hand, some non whites over here seem to have a pretty interesting view of discipline. I read about an immigrant problem student whose mother, in a teacher-parent meeting, said:
>"I don't understand, his father beats him every day and yet nothing changes!"
>I think it's beautiful living in such a multi-cultural country
Having lived in a multi-cultural city now for basically my whole life I think it has its ups and downs.
>>343875854
Making a UI isn't even hard
>>343875845
So don't educate them. Save the ones you can save.
>>343875854
Well at the same time, I learned through my courses that I probably despise game designing now. Or it was just my teachers sucking my creative spirit out of me by preaching SELL A LOT OR YOU WILL BE POOOOOOR mentality.
>>343875854
UI is literally the last thing I do cause it is the easiest part.
>>343875621
That's some back luck you got there. But hey, at least you can shitpost on Indonesian book club forums all day long.
>would love to work as a detective
>even with a degree would probably have to be a beat cop for some years
Fug
>>343867654
i likevidya games :DDDDDD
>>343874960
>Be Asian
>Become a wok cook
>Parents are happy if I'm happy
>>343875414
>50k/yr starting
You could've had 300k if you majored in math.
>>343875929
Making a GOOD UI can be. Remember how big Microsoft were on "Ribbon"?
There exists no textbook out there that supports this design choice, and it's used as a "What Not To Do" at colleges.
>>343866112
>I'm getting a degree in Cyber Security
>>343875929
True, but making a good-looking, practical UI can be difficult.
>>343875912
I've lived in a Multicultural country for my entire life.
Having differing points of views, cultural events and a variety of ethnicity within friend groups is a wonderful thing, and I stand by that.
I mean, there's entire political parties here dedicated to extreme organised racism against anyone who isn't 'Australian' enough, so obviously my point of view isn't shared by everyone.
>>343875368
>So all you want a job for is money? Programming fucking sucks if you don't really care about the end product.
That's what jobs are for. No one goes to work because it's fun, they go because they have to. Even if you work for something you're passionate about, like games, do you seriously think that passion will live on until retirement?
>indie market is flooded
That's the problem. You'd just be another drone. You're romanticizing the game industry as this place full of like-minded people that play video games all the time and chill and have fun. It's nothing like that. It's like any other workplace, with schedules and bureaucracy and a sense of crippling futility.
>Why the fuck do you care about what other people think about your degree and or job
I sure as hell hope you would care. You need professional connections. You need to care what people think about you so you can make yourself look better than others. Job markets are competitive. If I were an employer and I had the choice between 2 qualified candidates for a job, but the one difference between them was that one cared how others thought about him and was conscious of the way others see him, guess who I'd take?
>>343875865
I have no interest in the coveted doctorate of medicine meself, I just want to make peoples lives better. Leaves me with internal conflicts of going into entertainment or learning the art of therapy.
>>343875872
If the idiots would go back to Milgrim and loosen their ethics, psych could have made the break through ages ago. Sad thing is, it has just many of the psychs are concerned and in marketing or video games to hook people to their products.
>tfw have a degree in game design
>went to a proper university
>every single lecturer and tutor had a PhD and the title Dr
What now my friends?
>Tfw did so well my student loans would've come out to 4k going to a well-known engineering school for an engineering degree
>Got bored of it
>Droped out
>Only owe 1200
>Joining the military as an EOD tech
>Don't even care anymore
Like tears in the rain, Scoob.
I'm doing a coop program in software engineering (half college, half job), i guess it's the best of both worlds when not motivated enough to learn everything by yourself. Also I have no ideas for personal projects apart from making niche games I'd like to play.
>>343870006
the original comic is unironically my favorite xkcd strip
I fucking love this edit because it still works perfectly
>majoring in information systems
>graduating this winter if nothing bad happens
>scared that no one will want anything to do with me when I start apply for companies
>Basically got nudged into a 'games design and 3d modelling' course after working a shit job for 3 years that spiralled into depression.
>All because I 'liked video games'
>Dropped out 1/4 of the way through due to having 0 interest and doing none of the work
>Don't really want to do or enjoy anything
>Will just end up back at the shit job, rinse repeat.
There is literally nothing interesting or enjoyable out there.
>>343876129
getting a phd is easy
>>343869672
might as well just throw yourself in the garbage now if you don't have connections for a research/quality assurance/pharm job or are willing to be a slave for several more years until you have a PHD
t. recent graduate
>>343876220
>information systems
So you're like an inferior CS student? Hope your interview incredibly well.
>>343876129
>every single lecturer and tutor had a PhD and the title Dr
means jack shit.
Every teacher in my school was an active comic artist/concept artist, well sought after and well known AAA 3d artist.
Only people who needed degrees to hold the head position of school had degrees, rest were all minimum 5 years in AA/AAA industry.
>>343867870
>Video game companies don't hire people with 'video game degrees'.
Most studios will hire you purely based off your portfolio. The degree requirement is just to weed out retards unless you're the companies' lawyer, finance, etc where they actually matter.
>>343875723
UI is the bottleneck of every AAA game right now. There are tons of jobs offers for UI designers at large companies, anon.
>drop out of ELEMENTARY SCHOOL
>full-time NEET
>get a job doing computer repairs at 17
>tech support
>system administrator
>jack of all trades sysadmin/devop/light programmer
>starting a web-hosting/voip/game hosting company
where do I go from here?
>>343876320
Is that any different than what he said?
>spend years of your life studying
>bury yourself in thousands of dollars in debt
>in the end you don't even come out ahead of the people who spent that time getting job experience in their field
why even bother
>>343876257
>being a slave during a PhD
if you're shit and you can't find a good lab and a friendly PI sure
t. a PhD
>>343876246
t. idiot shitposter who barely passed high school
>>343876460
>bury yourself in thousands of dollars in debt
>being murican
lul
>dropped from graphic design uni early since honestly i don't give a shit, people there ALL pissed me off
>living the life just renting the estate i inherited to students and employed people, getting decent income
>friends and family still upset i make more money than them doing pretty much nothing
Its shocking how many anons on /v/ are qualified and educated. I thought most would be NEETs which would explain the shitposting. What drives some of you to do it?
>>343876054
>Having differing points of views, cultural events and a variety of ethnicity within friend groups is a wonderful thing, and I stand by that.
Sure, but one cant ignore things like cultural clashes or costs. For example, it recently came to light over here that after 7 years in the country, two thirds of immigrants don't have a job. Now, there's probably several reasons for that, but it's a problem no matter how you slice it.
There are valid arguements for and against multiculturalism. We have a similiar part to the ones you're talking about here too.In classical Swedish fashion, I find myself not being able to side with either side.
>>343876280
Thing is, I enjoy this MIS stuff more than CS by a long mile.
Everyone feeds me the same stuff like "oh well you'll have no trouble finding a job" and stuff, but I'd be really stupid for fully believing that.
>>343876504
Is it "free" in your country?
>>343876507
>living the life just renting the estate i inherited to students
Anyone would be jealous honestly. You got everything handed to you pretty nicely.
>>343876518
I'm assigned work and I do it, I have no drive.
>>343876257
can confirm, then again, they deserve it for trying to climb the ivory tower of muh academia.
>>343876467
>friendly PI
All PIs are ego driven political operators, they're only "friendly" for a reason
t. medical research facility sysadmin
>>343876602
the ones from the goverment are
>You got a degree in Cyber Security
Feels good man.
>>343876360
How were you able to get a job repairing computers at the age of 17 if you dropped out of elementary even? Was there some program you were able to do or something?
Currently 19 and wouldn't mind doing something like that, dropped out of the first year of high school which I now really regret like fuck.
>>343876518
>What drives some of you to do it?
When I shitpost I do so in my spare time when I really have nothing else to do. I enjoy the reactions and shitflinging.
>comp sci degree from local college
>extensive internship experience at big tech
>friends with similar experiences and now full time jobs at big tech firms
>have enough on my resume to have guaranteed interviews at any company I want
>can use my friend's positions in the companies as further leeway in my favor
Get into comp sci, don't be a shitter and actually learn the content, practise coding interviews, network with recruiters and people in industry at campus events, and enjoy the 100k starting which only increases further by another ~10k with each year you're in the industry.
>>343876518
To be able to do stuff that I'd really want to do. Like visiting Japan and helping my family out for example.
>You fell for GD engineer's degree meme
>>343876679
probably contacts by family or friends, a friend of mine got into a marketing agency thanks to his parents and he dropped out too
>>343876662
>got a degree in cyberbullying
I hope one day our paths will meet on the field of battle
>>343876518
Because I couldnt bear dissapointing my mother and grandmother. Seriously, that's the main thing that drives me.Mom is already worried about me having no friends, the last thing she needs is me being a NEET that lives at homes into his thirties.
>>343876518
>What drives some of you to do it?
The shitposting? I honestly just do it for the lols. i come home tired as fuck so I just want to make some shitlifting with some hot opinions
>>343876340
And almost every company wants someone who has made either UI for a very popular game or has 5+ years in making UI.
>>343876723
This. Freelance some too. You'll be surprised who will pay you to to the smallest tasks and regard you as a god.
>>343876662
That's a field that I'm interested in going into. How did you start out?
>You'll love college, they said
>You'll love your twenties, they said
>Best times of your life, they said
PHD in medievil stained glass 300k starting any job I want
>>343876679
I went into a program for "at risk youth" where they'd basically pay you minimum wage to learn basic employability stuff and go complete a several month practicum at anywhere that will take your free labor.
I did that, I did well, I got hired, I studied for my retarded CompTIA A+ certificate as required by the end of my 3 month probation period.
I don't even put an education section on my resume. These days when people ask I straight up tell them "I have no formal education" and let my experience stand on it's own. When you're trying to get into tech support you can prove your worth by answering a couple pop quiz questions on the subject.
Basically a highschool degree is worthless and doesn't matter in terms of employability for the vast majority of jobs. It might be an HR thing at most.
>>343876534
Im curious. How well do you think an native English speaker who doesn't know any Swedish at all would do in Sweden? Im not talking about living there long term, but say, 12 months? "English Friendly" Enough? I had no problem working in Japan without knowing Japanese - but that's about the extent of my knowledge.
>>343876861
>You'll love college, they said
Enjoyed it
>You'll love your twenties, they said
Still enjoying it
>Best times of your life, they said
As of now, it is. :^)
>>343876779
Whoops, guess I misunderstood the question.
I only shitpost about Nintendo and PCeven though I game primarily on PC. Why? Well, it's nice to act like an idiot every once in a while. Cathartic, really.
>middle of compsci course, doing more theory oriented classes now
>have friend who went gamedev at a nearby school
>he's made some decent stuff actually, got an invite to a local developer's thing where his group was at and checked it out
fuckin hell that shit makes me consider switching
>>343874998
Just draw furry porn commissions.
It'll probably kill your soul, but i heard you can make a good buck off of it.
>>343876910
Whoopedeedoo, do you want a fucking medal?
>>343876861
how can you NOT love college?.
you are supossed to be studying literally the thing that you love most in life, the thing that you are going to be living of.
>>343876518
I'm a 3rd year at uni for chemistry, basically a NEET at heart and only doing it because a)Don't want to get into work yet and b)To not be a disapointment to my parents.
tfw used to be a foundation doctor 2 years ago until depression and anxiety crippled me to the man I am today
>>343876953
No, my life as is a medal every day. :^)
>>343876936
difference artist but same age here, gonna test that shit out this month
>>343876956
>you are supossed to be studying literally the thing that you love most in life
I can't get a shitposting degree, anon.
>>343876662
I'm thinking of getting into that.whats yearly wage ?
>>343876642
>All PIs are ego driven political operators, they're only "friendly" for a reason
might be, and it is true probably for every superior, but still having a PI who you can talk about your research problems and understand that a negative result can be a result too is rare and makes work easier. I know situations much worse than mine.
Also I feel like those are more common in big groups and research associated with direct medical translation and "success for the good of mankind", This ego-maniacality that the publication mentality have brought upon biology in general is a fucking cancer that needs to be eradicated.
>>343876894
You'll be absolutely fine. Everyone here knows decent english. Not quite to native speaker levels but you'll be able to communicate just fine. Sometimes you might run into a word that we don't remember from school or havent every heard but otherwise you'll be able to make yourself understood.
>>343874051
But that's a helminth.
>>343877001
Somebody didn't look into studying abroad in Australia.
>>343875715
>nurse
Got a lot of respect for your kind, but its a job i honestly could not do.
Im anEMTbut i still cant handle shit or vomit.
>>343876932
I feel the same once I get my mastersor PhDin computer science I'm off to make games. Just need to find a way to do a few intern ships while I'm still in college.
>>343876936
They need to just draw fur porn of stuff they get off on, then open up commissions after gaining an audience.
I wouldn't mind doing that for some fun money, but I can't draw at all.
>>343876956
I got into CompSci instead of vidya. I might switch to maths or gamedev.
>>343877049
Fucking this.
>>343877102
whatever makes you happy anon.
we are all gonna make it. even the NEETS
>>343868220
>That feel when it's not only free in Poland but you also get instant (and quite huge) scholarship for being a foreigner or even for living outside the city
>>343877090
If i could draw i would do it aswell.
Furries are the easiest source of money on the internet.
They're horny, mentally disabled and usually have large disposable income.
>>343877041
Do you know what the general attitude towards people who only speak English is?
I don't want to be one of those foreigners who don't even try to learn the language, but English is what i'd be using 99% of the time.
>>343877090
I've honestly considered it, I'm afraid to tarnish my reputation and be seen as a degenerate by all the people IRL that follow my work.
>You got a degree in memology
>made partner at a Big 4 consulting firm
>literally make 200k
Looking forward to being your boss one day anons :^)
>>343876880
Thanks for the reply, for a few years now I've been worrying about what I'm going to do as a future, guess this sorta gives me hope.
>>343877170
>tfw check dA for artists taking commissions for kinky shit i'm into
>some of of the people getting regular business are shitscribble tier
>my only art experience is doodling shit on notebooks and i could probably do a better job than those fucks
can't be arsed to shell out for a tablet or scanner though but damn it all
>>343875715
Do you like it? I'm also in nursing school at the moment and doing reasonably well. Everyone keeps laughing at me because it's a "woman's job" however, including my own family.
>>343877297
You could upload your scribbles to dA, wait for some horny fuck to notice and start of with commissions on paper.
That tablet is going to pay for itself.
>>343877236
Create a separate portfolio and name for yourself when drawing your furshit so no one can follow you.
I'm 23 and going to apply for college real soon, what do I study for ez money?
Thinking about Comp, Automation, Electric engineering.
>>343877251
You can get a job in marketing and PR
>>343877347
>"woman's job"
You should probably beat your family for that.
Nurses have my utmost respect.
Hospital or old folks home?
>>343877389
Become a plumber
>>343877182
I'm sure some will appreciate it if you try but no one is going to get all angry if you don't learn it perfectly. I know, from experience, that a lot of people will find the way english speakers pronounce Å, Ä and Ö to be quite humourous.
You might have to inject some english into your swedish if you cant find the right words but most won't mind. Fuck, we do it ourselves. Swenglish, they call it.
You'll be just fine with 99% English, don't worry about it.
>in game design
>not ludology
its almost as though you are retarded.
>>343877347
As someone who studied a bachelors that is 98% female dominant, keep at it.
Fuck, when you're the only guy in a class of 30, your chances of finding someone who'll let you fuck them goes through the roof.
>>343877375
I don't think I can make good art with a completely separate style, though. What if someone finds out? It's too risky, anon.
>>343877347
The only nurses that are still "women" nurses are ward nurses and whatever the ones that look after the newborn kids are called.
That shit pretty much died. There are a lot of male nurses and a lot of female doctors nowadays.
>>343877389
With that artitudw you wint make ez money. Its a poor mindset. Accounting, finance are straighy forward. Cs is solud but hard work. Stay away from artsy fartsy.
Still working on my lotto degree;_;
>>343877430
this desu
normies are all falling for the college meme, and because of that there's a healthy niche left for various trades - and yes, that includes plumbing
>>343877347
Also have fun wiping asses for 2-3 years. Old people urine is the most rancid thing you'll ever smell. You'll also get the opportunity to flip a few stiffs in your time.
>>343877442
Well, sounds great.
I ask because I may have the chance to work there next year, and I'm seriously considering it.
Thanks for asking my dumb questions, I thought i'd take the opportunity while you were here. I appreciate it.
>computer engineering
I'm dead inside help guys
>>343877347
>Everyone keeps laughing at me because it's a "woman's job" however
I'll soon be knowing that feel, though I'm won't be a nurse.
>be guy
>starting pre school teacher soon
>96,5% women
>>343877607
Just dick any of the hot ones.
>>343877535
Good luck mate.
>>343877347
Medcuck here. Don't fret, dude. Even here in my shitty Eastern European shithole male nurses are on the rise. People may joke about it being a ''woman's job'', but being a nurse isn't easy, unless you're one of those who just becomes a glorified secretary.
>>343877607
>Why would a guy want to be a preschool teacher
>Are you some kind of pedo?
>UGH IM TAKING MY KIDS OUT OF HERE BEFORE YOU DIDDLE WITH THEIR FIDDLE
>>343877521
you´re like a 10 year old boy and anyone who´s dealing finance with you is in for a bad customer experience and shit unproductive results. Just go neet
>>343877581
No problem m8.
Are there really so many retards who think they can just get into the video game industry?
>>343867745
>smile
He's laughing at the despair of Man
>>343877389
accounting
>>343877607
You know they'll always have an eye on you, suspecting you're some sort of creepy pedophile, right?
A friend of mine works in that field, and she's very open about how men are dicriminated against. She sees no problem with it either: Of course we keep an eye on the man(they only have one) anon, don't you care about the children?
>>343868220
tfw I'm european and my education is free
>>343866504
Physics. Oh lawd.
I'm aCertified Accountantwho is currently inLaw School
How good are my chances in getting a nice job America or EU?
>>343877756
There are millions of vidja devs. Getting a job at Google or getting into Harvard is significantly harder. Also I know C++ better than most of my fellow compsci students, so there is that.
>>343877424
>>343877560
Hospital. I don't know if it translates directly to nurse since it's an academical degree.
I've already wiped old people's butts as part of internship. It's not pleasant, but not too bad either. They can't do it themselves so someone else has to, and if you ever become a parent you'll be wiping someone elses ass anyhow.
>>343876762
My father knew a guy who was in it already. The guy who was in it said I should do it, since companies are freaking out about it, and there weren't enough people doing it. And I couldn't think of anything better I wanted to do so I said fuck it, and did that.
>>343877018
I just got a job with 65k starting. I'm looking at a raise to 85k within 2 years, and a raise to 105k within 4. After that I don't know. I might get some kind of senior Cyber Security guy payment. But within the next 4 years I'll be making over 100k. So that's nice.
>>343877672
Kek.
>>343877730
>>343877803
I'm well aware. The city I live in is above the average in the country (8,5% as opposed to 3,5%) but I'm under no illusions, of course I'm gonna be under the microscope.
>>343877946
Oops. One of those was for>>343876853
>21
>second year english philology
>fucking hate it
>failing all my classes
>develop a symptom and have to go to a therapist becase of it
>in a week I'm going back home and telling them I'm quitting
At least I'm still young and have all my life in ahead of me, right?
Arts (Psychology) here
Pleb jobs won't take me because I'm 'overqualified', real jobs won't take me because I'm not qualified for shit
End my fucking life
>>343877756
It's pretty easy to once you got your foot in the door. That first step is luck and your portfolio.
>>343877803
Not him but I understand that. I dont age
Ree but its no different than a child minder. Under no circumstances would I hire a male and if the girls are useless id care for my child myself rather than. Its archaic but i too would take caution around children and male caregivers except relatives.
>>343876129
That's actually a bad sign. A lot of people start studying game design, and after realizing how savage the job market is decide to just continue with academia, getting their doctorate and getting a cushy job as a professor. This literally makes them the rejects of the industry. The ones you really want to learn from are people with actual industry experience.
>>343874998
Same boat, don't give up anon. STRIVE
all this talk bout vidya dev got me thinking
has anyone made an Attache Case Simulator yet
>>343878084
Respecialize into Hr like I did.
>>343878095
>Arts (Psychology)
>>343871698
>needs to look at his keyboard ever
>>343878456
What, you think it's a science or something?
I've recently lost all drive to pursue anything anymore...
Like I wish I felt passionate about something, but I know I'll just be lying to myself or maybe I'm just running from something....
Fuck man
>>343878554
You want money so you can buy your video games? Gotta do what you gotta dobut too bad you'll be tired to play any when you can buy them
Who here also an Aeronautical Engineer?
...anyone?
>>343876518
My main drive in life right now is that I'm so fucking sick of people telling me how I can and can't live my life that I just want to get into a position where I can tell them to fuck off with their stunted ambitions and complacency.
>>343876012
>Parents are happy if I'm happy
isn't that asian parents' code for "we've given up on you"?
What's a good online resource to learn programming?
I downloaded an app for it, and it has a lot of material, but it kinda assumes I know more than I already do.
>>343878787
Not him but depends on family and region. A lot are deeply ambitious for their children but some can be laid back while still instilling strong worth ethic and family. Or he is good enough for them to be comfy. Or they are westernized.
>>343873402
I wish that I could turn back time by 8-10 years and actually think about my life choices this time
>>343878696
Mechanical engineer looking to get into aviation when I graduate here. My uni doesn't offer a full Aero degree but we have a good amount of courses to get it as a "focus"
>>343877946
>105k in 4 years
Sir, you had my curiosity now you have my attention . I live in california so this place is not lacking for cyber security jobs
>Got an English degree
>>343878896
Read a book.
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/tangy/cst112%5CText_book(10th_ed).pdf
College java course are based around this book.
READ BOOKS
>>343875181
Did someone clone Chris chan?
>>343879709
>READ BOOKS
Books are for fags
>>343879709
Thanks, m8.
