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any guess as to what happened between 999 and ZTD that made him so moody?
THEY WERE TRADING ORGANS LIKE COOKIES
i felt like the transition from 999 Junpei to ZTD Junpei was fairly natural. Even from 999, you can see that Junpei is willing to fuck people over just so he can hang out with Akane (i.e. essentially trapping a bunch of people by going through door 3)
Yeah, I think the explicit explanation given by the character himself in ZTD might have given me enough material to sketch down a theory.
I always wondered what Junpei and Sigma studied. Carlos was a nice welcoming change of protags when they at least explained what he does for a living.
>mfw having to slog through Q fragments
I just don't give a fuck about them.
>>343865382
I cleared as much Q Team fragments as possible first since I knew the other 2 would be way better
>>343865382
Q had the best puzzles
Huh, the biolab wasn't as bad as I thought. The only part that got me was with the ring thing.
>>343864957
Hardboiled detective adventures with people dying all the time and the trauma from 999 since he remembers his deaths in other timelines?
That and a silly buddy cop adventure where he did more against FtS than Akane and Sigma did with their 45 year convoluted plan that involved timetravel.
Really, who knew that all this time they just had to put Junpei and Seven on the job.
>>343865576
Fuck Biolab, but I hate the Rec room, Reactor, and Healing room more so I agree.
>>343865686
Are you pitching ZE4 to us?
>>343865201
Junpei quit school, and isn't Sigma a mechanic?
>>343865382
Sean carries Q team.
>>343865680
i got stuck in the biolab for like 20 minutes because I didn't know you had to put the tray into the microwave
maybe i'm just retarded, but i had no idea either of those items were even related
>>343865768
Nah, Sigma was a college student. He mentioned something about having a Buddhist professor in VLR.
>>343865060
And we don't know how he was outside of 999. Maybe he was already depressed and felt hollow.
999 and cookie organs was too much and he broke down.
>>343865739
ZE4 is about Delta in the original Nonary game in the Titanic anon, I am just proposing a spin off detective game with Seven and Junpei.
>>343865717
All of those were easier than Biolab. In fact, I'd argue the only bullshit puzzles are Transporter and that fucking lazer puzzle for the nuclear reactor
>>343865768
no, sigma is a college student (he just dresses funny).
the 22 year old version of him is kidnapped while he's submitting at paper and he mentions he's working on his phD
>>343865768
Sigma was still studying(working on his doctorate) when he was kidnapped. Anyways it doesn't really matter what he was studying because he became a master of genetics, computer programming, biology, and multiple engineering fields in 45 years he would've been successful no matter what
Space Dandy is a SHIFTER and a member of FtS?
>>343865868
>Transporter puzzle
Maybe it's because I'm naturally good at maths, but I didn't find it that hard.Although I got stuck with inputting the start code because I didn't think touching the core opened the input console and I kept trying to input the code on the pentagonal display.
>>343866267
i didnt even use much maths to figure out the transporter puzzle
i just played the card game a few times and wrote down which symbols were greater than other symbols. once you figure out about 4 or 5 of them, the rest falls into place because prime numbers and shit
It was the snails
It's always the snails
>>343865868
Transporter isn't bullshit, it's just tedious picking up and using cards.
The lazer puzzle in Reactor is why I mentioned it.
Biolab isn't even difficult really. It's just as >>343865769 mentioned, where there wasn't really an indication as to why a centrifuge cover had to irradiated.
>>343866267
I didnt think to touch the core. There's a lot of dumb shit that just stopped me in my tracks in the puzzle rooms. Like the lid with glow in the dark letters in the locker room. I was just amused at Diana and Sigma's dialogue entering the shower room together.
>murderous serial killer gets away with everything
When did this game become Danganronpa
>>343865768
Who the fuck is Sean?
>>343866160
Dandy needed a waifu planet's energy to even SHIFT to another timeline. He's more of a quantum being than a SHIFTer.
>>343866614
No one.
>>343866267
>>343866557
Fair enough, I just had no trouble with Biolab because I have an habit of using every item on everything, which is probably why I also fucking hated Transporter
>>343866614
He really should've been a young version of left but for some reason they wrote some random kid into Brother's backstory instead of going with the established character
>>343866679
Transporter was easy once you read the book and got an idea of the images being numbers in a base 13 system, after that is just thinking of how it could work and how the multiplications worked.
>>343866679
I was stuck in the biolab because I forgot to check the colored cells with the microscope. I felt like an idiot.
Biolab was probably the easiest puzzle for me, I don't understand how anyone had any problems with it.
>do Manufacturing on 3DS when .cia came out
>get stuck because I can't input the timer no matter where I touch the bomb
>get the game on Steam
>find the spot in like 5 seconds because it was a huge spot in 1080p but a small bunch of pixels on 3DS
I felt irritated.
>>343866896
Same like lasers for me. I solved it in 10 minutes with a bit of trial and error. I was also stuck in the manufacturing room because I didn't know you have to press the grey button very precisely to set the timer.
Fucking stupid.
>>343865861
>ZE4 is about Delta in the original Nonary game in the Titanic anon
you're going places, man. i like it.
>>343866990
>I was also stuck in the manufacturing room because I didn't know you have to press the grey button very precisely to set the timer
Fuck that, that should have been fixed it playtesting, that was just so stupid
Beat the game today. Can't help but feel slightly disappointed by the ending. On a different note, anyone have that snail picture with "life is simply unfair" on it?
I never played 999 and prob never will due to work. Would someone spoil who zero was and why he did it all?
So why did Delta kill Mira? and of all of things by strangling her.
When I saw the marks I always had the feeling that Eric did it, since his dad killed his brother in a similar way, and he also strangled Sean a few times.
I just finished the game and Zero twist was fucking bullshit
I mean
Sudden out of NO FUCKING WHERE
THERE'S SOMEONE FOLLOWING YOU
was he invisible or something?
fuck
there's so many wrong things at this
>>343866957
>>343866990
>>343867142
I actually liked that room a lot, although the game over stuff could have been done better, and also due toBetty. Never ran into that issue on the 3ds, but it sounds like shit since I had similar issues with the healing room.
>>343867156
This one?
>>343865861
>spin off detective game with Seven and Junpei
What the fuck happened with that? Akane and Sigma had to waste countless lives and a lot of years and achieved nothing, but Junpei and Seven went like cop buddies and blown up half the organization in just a day.
>>343867253
Zero from what game? 999 or ZTD?
>>343867364
Mind hacks
>>343867253
it wasAkane
>>343867392
This tbfh. It's fucking embarrassing.
>>343867364
He's with Q Team. He isn't actually around for C or D Team and only views/mind hacks them through cameras, and on the timelines where he's dead he watches them through the quantum computer.
Everyone knows about him but not about Sean, whenever any of the other teams talk about Q they're referring to him.
>>343867392
akane and sigma need to work in the bigger picture, anon.
>>343867364
You were always watching the game either from his perspective or from the cameras in the shelter that he could see through his HUD glasses (basically they are the same kind as those you build in the control room). There is actually quite a bit of foreshadowing about him, an anon posted a list yesterday.
I think people would have liked the twist more if his character was fleshed out better.
>>343867483
Delta pls leave
Only puzzle that got me where the shift 7 down in the library. I thought the numbers had to be shifted down so the 05 / 03 went 98 / 96.
When I tried the reverse I also reversed the letter and it fucked my results too.
But all of that was my own fault. The puzzles in general for ZTD were the worst of the trilogy by far and A LOT of puzzles had solutions like "go input what is in this card there in a different way" instead of actually solving shit in a clever way. I see complains here about the laser puzzle in the reactor room but that sort of shit was the good stuff, made you think, even if just a little.
>>343867627
I get a motive so complex.
>>343867254
Mira killed innocent people so she must be punished according to Delta. Why he didn't do it in other timelines or why he chose to strangle her can be chalked up tocomples motives.
>>343867707
>if his character was fleshed out better.
yep, but sadly SC cares more about Danganronpa
>>343867730
>I thought the numbers had to be shifted down so the 05 / 03 went 98 / 96
Thank god I wasn't the only one who thought this. Felt like an idiot when I realized what I was supposed to be doing instead.
>>343867458
>999
Yes what was the point of that game?
>>343867882
to save akane.
>>343864957
he had such big eyes before... now they are narrow
>>343867882
To save Akane by creating a bootstrap paradox
>>343866267
Fuck I had the exact same problem. I breezed through it and found the input code easily but had to look up a guide to find out I needed to touch the stupid core
>>343867627
Ive got a complex, and it's for my sister
>>343867981
Well, he IS japanese, after all.
>>343867582
>book room
>"hey, I'm going to shoot that glass in there, everybody get on the second floor except that old guy, but fuck that old guy"
>Mira dies
>"i'm going to kill everyone so I can get the real killer, but not this old guy, fuck him"
>radical 6 room
>"there's 3 virus things here, so we got to inject them right? but not on that old guy, fuck him"
>Mira goes savage on everyone
>"I'm killing everyone just because, but not that old guy, fuck him"
>sudden the old dude is zero
>"holy shit we had no idea"
>>343868095
Yeah what the fuck was up with that? It was so poorly handled.
>>343867483
THE MADMAN
>>343868095
>"i'm going to kill everyone so I can get the real killer, but not this old guy, fuck him"
Eric actually fires an extra shot for Q.
>"there's 3 virus things here, so we got to inject them right? but not on that old guy, fuck him"
Q didn't do the fingerprint thing in the first place.
I don't really like the twist, but those two are actually handled.
>>343868095
>Mira dies
>"i'm going to kill everyone so I can get the real killer, but not this old guy, fuck him"
You actually hear four gunshots when he kills Sigma, Diana and Sean, so he killed Q too.
>>343868095
He wasn't just 'that old guy', in the 5 days they spent with him at dcom he was established as being totally incapable of interacting with anyone around him. No one had any idea that dcom was basically being run by free the soul so they had no reason to question that. On top of that, Mira was working for him to begin with, Eric does kill Delta in that scene, and there were only three finger pricking things. It's pretty consistent on these notes.
>Akane ask everyone in C-team to kill themselfes
>ok, sure
>Junpei ask for two of them to kill themselfes
>"Holy shit junpei, fucking no, what's wrong with you"
>>343869147
>themselfes
>>343865382
Mira and Eric were awful, the ending where they're dead is canon in my head
>>343868095
Copypasted from Reddit since I don't have the picture anon made:Clues that Q is Delta, the 10th participant:
1) Literal shadows from Delta in most Q team scenes (here are the shadows from Pop-off, for example).
2) "The old man in the wheel chair" dialogue
3) If you try to select "Q" in the "who to shoot" scene, it will say to select Q's real name. If you input "Sean," it will give an error. If you choose "me" or "myself," the game will say "you cannot commit suicide." - Credit for expanding this goes to overchargext
4) If you say that "Q" killed Mira, Eirc will say "that's impossible!," and if you select "Sean," or "me," he'll say "I knew it was you!" - credit for expanding this goes to Ro9ge
5) "The truth is invisible" anagram
6) The parasite discussion
7) Carlos/Diana not knowing why they pressed the decontamination button, or the bad execution choice (mindhacking). Sean never claimed he didn't do it, as he can't be mindhacked.
8) The anagram about the 10 that Akane finds
9) The scene after the radical 6 is chosen to not be injected where Eric talks to Gab and calls him "Old man," he is actually talking to Delta. Both Eric and Mira are looking to the screen (to Delta), and Sean asks if they could speak. - Credit goes to untuned of the Something Awful Forum, and to Ro9ge for elaborating.
10) Q never has a portrait in the status screen, but there is one of Sean inside the Study - Credit goes to YoshiOfYellow of the Something Awful Forum
>>343869469
Eric really makes you forget that he has a legitimately shitty backstory really fucking quickly. Being little more than a loud asshole that waves around a gun for the most important parts of the game doesn't help.
>>34386963611) "Even Q ... he couldn't see or hear when" (when talking about Q team execution) - Credit goes to voltcatfish of the Something Awful forums)
12) Sean in Pop-off says "you are all really important to me" rather than "you both are really important to me," despite the fact he only knows Q team.
13) When Zero tells Sean about the "old man" who visited him.
14) Eric says "I know the leader's supposed to decide who to vote for but...", because Delta is believed to be blind and deaf - Credit goes to Ro9ge
15) Eric is suspicious of Sean because he isn't on the X-passes - Credit goes to Ro9ge
16) If you try to shoot Mira, she will shoot twice before the X-pass notification comes on, because she also shoots Delta - Credit goes to Ro9ge
17) Despite the fact that Carlos seems to know Q, he doesn't recognize the robot that looks like Sean - Credit goes to zatchel1
18) Towards the end of the C-team ending, when listening to the recording of Zero, Zero specifically says that he's dead in this timeline, and that Carlos executed him. This is also the timeline in which all of Q-team dies because Carlos decided to execute Q team. - Credit goes to Ro9ge
19) After Phi and Delta and delta are born, the status screen shows Q and Phi alive. Status before birth and status after birth - Credit goes to YouWithTheFace
20) Decision game starts with "deci," which means ten - Credit goes to ultramario1998.
21) When Sean decides to stay behind after pressing the Decontamination button, he is staying behind for Q, and it becomes clear with close examination that Q is also chained, and Q is the one staying behind. Sean is looking at the Camera (at Delta) when he says that he stayed behind because of him. And when they try to unchain Q, they are always trying to get it off the pole, and not off Gab's paw. Here is an image that demonstrates this.. - Credit goes to Ro0ge, and BloodTrain for the image.
>>343869690
it's mostly in the beginning he just radically changes at the drop of a hat.
I can understand panicking but he literally goes from explaining his tragic backstory to trying to strangle the child he was telling it to in a heartbeat
>>343869731
>After Phi and Delta and delta are born, the status screen shows Q and Phi alive. Status before birth and status after birth
fuck, some of these details are solid
They really should've prioritized actually finishing the game before a lot of this stuff, though
So didBlick Winkelend up in the game after all?
>>343869972
Did you play it?So yes
>>343864957
Junpei and Akane are assholes now
>>343869731
>Decision game starts with deci which means ten
Fuck me
>>343870071
Maybe they're exactly the same and Carlos is just so pure that they look like assholes.
>>343869936
but they did anon
>>343866604
But who's dead nyucka, who is dead
So apparently I don't have all quest files after finishing the game. I didn't think there'd be any missable ones but if there are please tell me
Carlos is best character
Eric is worst
I would let Mira strangle me with a chain while she rides me
That is all
>>343870224
the dozens of people she killed over the course of 17 years?
>>343870242
you probably missed the first card in Control, it's behind a speaker on the wall over by the green and red cylinders you have to spin
So what exactly was the point of hiding Q from the player? Every single participant new about him.
In VLR Sigma's twist was hidden because he didn't know about it and we were playing through him. In Ever17 it was necessary for the twist to be hidden from the player for story reasons.
But I can't think of any reason for Q being hidden, besides just for the sake of having a twist.
>>343870326
Nope, found that one. Anything else?
>>343870505
Have you tried sorting the files by room first?
That will probably narrow down the possibilities.
Being married to Akane must be hell
>Lose car keys
>Ah this reminds me of that one philosophical dilemma I once read about in Wikipedia
>>343870603
forgot that was a feature, it's between Healing an Manufacturing. Any idea which it's in?
>>343870318
Oh shit, for some reason I thought you meant Delta. The epilogue files suggest that Eric and Mira go back in time to convince young Mira to not murder anyone somehow
>>343870605
>once you dropped your keys, they could have bounced in any direction, your keys splintered off into multiple par-
>found em
>>343870046
Clever.
>>343870414
We see the whole game from his perspective and we're not supposed to know that there's a 10th participant like everyone outside of Q Team.
>>343870801
It's probably Manufacturing, but lemme check real fast.
>>343870801
Incinerator, maybe? open that one toolbox in the cabinet next to the goggles.
Reminder that Delta at least played in the first nonary games, if he himself was not Lord Gordain.
>>343870801
>>343871129
Apparently it's actually in the Trash Disposal, in the toolbox you're supposed to give to Phi.
I just forgot about it since they said the fucking gas mask was too big to fit in the chute but somehow the fucking toolbox isn't
>>343871219
seriously, why the fuck is this even a thing, especially a missable one?
Why would you not instantly think blowtorch and thermometer do something, let alone thing to send a big fucking toolbox through first to even get this hint at all?
>>343864957
should i get this game and does then ending end good
>>343870071
I don't know why, but I think Akane and Junpei would make good shitposters on 4chan.
>>343870292
Eric is a good character though. Unlikable =/= bad.
The worst one is probably Mira.
>>343871560
If you haven't played 999/VLR, don't bother.
>>343871560
It ends good. If you've heard the haters complaining, your expectations will be lowered and you may be pleasantly surprised. It isn't absolutely amazing, but it is worth it.
>>343871816
>Akane and Junpei
together?
VLR>ZTD>999
>>343871989
Theygot married.
Was Kyle in Gab's body all along?
>Sigma took Kyle back in time with him, somehow
>Was smart enough to deliver the antidote to D-team exactly when they needed it
>Sigma was unusually extremely affectionate towards Gab in the stranded pair ending, even though he said he didn't believe in unconditional love at first
>Delta shooting Gab at the end and calling it a 'good thing' = putting Kyle in enough danger to allow him to SHIFT out of the body and back into his own time
>>343871560
Sure. It's practically standalone and you won't be too disappointed if this is the only entry you play.
>>343872009
VLR>999>>>>>>>ZTD
999 had 8 participants
VLR had 9 participants
ZTD had 10 participants
>>343872167
the chute was only one way, the file says the only thing in it is a spot with a rug he naps on
>>343872167
Kyle was not present in Zero Kyle Dilemma.
>>343872009
>Seven
>Mediocre
>>343872009
Sven is bro tier, you asshole.
>>343872264
ayy
>>343872167
>>Was smart enough to deliver the antidote to D-team exactly when they needed it
he delivered it hours later
>>343872009
>ZTD Phi
>top tier
>All she did was die
Please get rid of your waifu shilling
>Mediocre tier has Santa, Snake, Seven and 999 Akane
What is this shit. Where is the loveable and cool tier list, or whatever that one says
>>343872167
also, how does that dog works?
>Zero kills him and say "He didn't had much time left, he's already old" or something
>At the twins ending somehow this fucker survive 11 more months
>>343872298
>>343872376
Nah, he doesn't have much depth as a character, nor is he fun/interesting enough. He is just a one note, bottom of the barrel character.
>>343872698
Delta's just an asshole.
>>343872678
she also jumpkicked her brother in the face
hell the glasses alone make her better
>>343872678
Yep, but she got that ass tho
>>343872009
>9th man in shit tier. Not Alice and her gf Clover.
kys
>>343872869
>>343872865
>that ass makes her funyinrunpa tier
>Absurdly implausible jump makes her good
She's good, but not that good. The glasses are nice though
And I think that mod ruins her ass, not improves it.
>>343865514
Are you me? I did as much of Q as possible, then C and finally D because they were the team I cared about.
>>343872865
She gets a pass for that bullshit in VLR because muh gravity and 1/6 reaction time, but not in ZTD. Fuck off.
>>343873035
Yeah, sadly the ligthning makes everything shiny'n shit.
It's better when the camera moves tho
So was anyone not-so-secretly hoping for pic related once Zero mentioned he was Brother?
I know it wouldn't work since they don't know him but it still would have been entertaining
>>343873165
Not to mention the fact it's a completely different shade of skin
>>343873035
>Mad banter and sexual tension with her father
>Hot and cute at the same time
>Intelligent and a good person
>Not funyarinpa tier
memo pad is shit, it's ridiculous i have to play with pen and paper
>>343870414
For one, it hides a bald, "blind" and "deaf" man with creepy sunglasses who couldn't verbally defend himself from immediate suspicion from the player. It also doesn't make a lot of plot sense for the other players to defend him outside of cursory observations, since they've only known him for a few days.
Additionally, because the whole game is from his perspective (either directly through his eyes, or through the camera feeds in his glasses), it gives a convenient cover as to why we would never really see him.
When I first had the twist revealed I was kind of pissed off at how stupid it was until I thought about it a bit more, but I wouldn't say it was perfect or that his motives were particularly complex.
>>343873279
Nope nope, I've used the same color as the rest. Just the lightning that's weird.
I tried changing the normal map to correct that but it's still too stronk4me.
What do you do when there are no new fragments that pop up for each any of the teams? I've already voted both ways for each team, and only Team Q has been executed in my global flowchart. There are several paths that are locked because I lack info. Am I supposed to replay fragments for something I might have missed?
>>343873347
>sigma being her father retcons any possible romance
quick, claim your waifu beforetoo late I already did
>>343873549
rig the votes and get all the teams executed
>>343873549
Keep voting. The outcome is entirely random
Keep at it till you get the bomb collar cutscene for each side
>>343873580
I claimredheadglasses phi.
>>343873549
you can replay the fragments, you have to pick the correct votes to see each execution, although I'm not sure it matters if you actually see them or not. You're probably just missing something else.
>>343870059
Stop punishing Sigma
>>343873580
You can't retcon something that never existed.
>>343873347
>Appears in a quarter of the fragments
>Dead in the rest
>'But it could secretly be a poison, not a cure'
>Absurdly implausible jump kick
>Imagine how Diana would feel if she shot you - then yells at her if it happens
>Twist with her and Delta does absolutely jack shit for her character
>Jokes and sass are toned down from VLR
>Jump kick still makes no sense
>All your things describe why she is hot not why she is funyarinpa tier
>Sexual tension with father is toned down compared to VLR
>funyarinpa tier
ZTD Phi shilling is the worst cancer in these threads. Just because she was good in VLR doesn't mean she is here
>>343873598
I've been trying that but I get booted back to the flowchart each time I retry a vote. Do I have to vote for all three teams again to get a curscene or is it just rng?
>>343873580
I claim megane Phi.
>>343873736
you know someone thought of it when they hug in the one end, before the gramps reveal anyway
you never know, young sigma is pretty jacked, I'm sure she's thought of it.
>>343873774
Yes. Vote all three
>>343868021
no joke it took me about 25 minutes after getting the knife and the poster in the projection room cant rmb what it was called because i didn't understand why they wouldn't knife the poster so I guessed I was missing something
>>343872698
10 months with carefully rationed food, I bet Gab could've lived to 20
>>343873580
Phi-sama is mine
>>343873774
you have to do them consecutively, repeating if necessary
I.E. do both C votes in a row to see C die, do both Q votes in a row to see Q die, etc.
>>343873748
t.Akanecuck.
>>343872678
most 999 characters are boring/useless
Honestly don't know what the fuck people like about them
>>343873580
I claim999 Akane. I'd let her capture me and help prevent her from dying anytime
>>343873580
ZTD Phi hits so much of my buttons that it's actually scary
>glasses
>short hair
>slim body
>high-waisted shorts
>legs for days
If only she had shown off her feet and her armpits in a couple of scenes then this game would have been 10/10
>>343873580
>not claiming baby Phi
>>343873961
The fact that there was more to them then initially appeared gave them depth that not all the newer characters have
>>343873960
Nah bruh. I like Phi, but she was underused in this game, just admit it. Still better than crazy Akane though
>>343874109
Underused? Yes.
Still the best waifu for laifu.
Phi is love, Phi is live.
>>343873961
Literally every character in the game served a purpose. You may find them boring, but none were useless
>>343867364Sharin no kunidid it right.
>>343873983
her body is a temple, practically flawless save forred eyebrows
>>343874192
Best waifu does not equal funyarinpa tier though.Phi IS love. Phi IS life.We need more Phi.
>mfw I bought the entire Zero Escape trilogy and it's arriving tomorrow
I expect great things
Don't let me down /v/
>>343874319
It's going to let you down.
Question: what was with all the fans that were all hot for the Blick Wickel/??? stuff? Even now people say that it's one of the big loose threads never touched on in ZTD.
Uchi even said something that made that "???" moment in VLR more like a novelty, a cute teaser for the next game, than anything important. Am I missing something here?
>>343874196
What the fuck did Clover do? She was Snake's luggage who did fucking nothing except go missing half the game and get shot in one bad ending.
Lotus helped in this one puzzle room, I guess?
And Santa did fuck all until the last 10 minutes. Wow.
>>343874319
leave before you get spoiled m8
>>343874395
she butchered Junpei with a fireaxe
>>343874319
In that case, make sure you understand each game is mostly it's own thing. Don't expect every single thing to be definitely, exhaustively, explained and you'll adore it.
>>343874319
Get ready for disappointment
>>343874457
>Don't expect every single thing to be definitely, exhaustively, explained and you'll adore it.
Why would you set him up like that anon
>>343874457
>each game is mostly it's own thing
So the stories aren't really connected? Or is it like a Saw kind of thing with recurring characters?
>>343874319
Anon, just make sure you go on a proper blackout or you'll be spoiled to hell and back.
Keep in mind that the third one, ZTD, in particular may be a huge disappointment. Go into it expecting none of your questions will be answered.
>all these people claiming to love Phi when they didn't even take any screenshots of their waifu
>>343874319
Prepare for disappointment when you get to ZTD.
>>343874390
What are you even asking exactly?
>>343873580
Claimed. I want him to see me the way he sees Mira, and I want to hold him when he cries
>>343874534
They are connected. There is definitely a big plot that follows through all the games. But some games have elements you may expect to be picked up again but were more red herrings. Saw is a good example. But it is one big plot, but each game is also its own thing
>>343874607
the models look pretty bad to be honest, she looks better in 2D
>>343874698
VLR models were mediocre though.
ZTD models are great, the problem is the shitty graphics.
>>343874390
>still pushing the "it was just a teaser" meme
Accept Uchikoshi fucked up and stop licking his balls, please.
>>343874769
it was less noticeable on the small screens, when those PC versions come along they'll look really bad
>>343873580
DIANA IS MY ANGEL
>>343866831
I got stuck there because I couldn't tap on the fucking sink to examine it further, same for the centrifuge manual
>>343874682
It may not be immediately apparent how each game links, but it will make sense by the end of each one. Now get out of here before you get spoiled.Seriously. This could've said that in 999no spoiler for youis Zero and spoiled everything
>>343871026
>>343873540
I understand reasons behind the twist but I just don't think there's any justification for it. The other teams didn't know there were 10 people in total but so what? If they knew about Sean it wouldn't have made any difference, and they already knew about the old man.
When Delta was revealed the only person surprised at his existence was the player, which is what made it feel cheap.
>>343874974
But that's because they were surprised at Sean. We were surprised Sean wasn't Q. It plays on the idea that the player knows everything, which makes it good.
>>343866957
Stuck in the fucking control room because I couldn't see the S in SW, shitty 3DS screen. I swapped to PC then and there.
>>343875345
Is that official art? It's gorgeous.
>>343875345
>the biggest slut was dressed the least slutty
bravo uchi
>>343875345
>sleep with me?~
ZTD ruined 999 and VLR in retrospective.
Also the whole "lol we'll just shift and cheat death" just made everything worse.
>>343875498Poor Diana though. Clearly her old hubby ruined her.
>>343875586
ZTD already ruined 999, but ZTD shat on those two.
>>343875586
I will never get this
>ruined in retrospective
meme
It's Star Wars fans complaining about the prequels all over again.
>>343874974
>When Delta was revealed the only person surprised at his existence was the player
Right, we know about Sean, they know about Delta. For us the surprise 10th participant is Delta, for them it's Sean. It would be way more symbolic if Sean was Left instead like he really should've been.
>diana and sigma not only kiss but have sex on screen
>junpei and akane only get a ring scene
WHY
>>343875586
999 was the only good game
>>343875345
I claimed her alreadybut i'm a fair man, we can share
>>343875732
I thought after the reveal everyone just starts calling him Sean as if they were from the beginning.
There's a note that even says they knew his name was Sean the entire time and never called him anything else.
>>343874780
...Licking his balls? What?
I brought it up because I want to understand why so many of you care about it so much. It has been a while since I played VLR, and what I remember of Blick was just a tiny little cameo at the very end.
I just mentioned what Uchi said because of all the promises he made and fucked up with, Blick wasn't one of them.
>>343875764
No need to be all edgy and hardcore there, VLR was a damn good game.
>>343875663
Where is you don't have the balls
>>343875117
>>343875732
Sure the twist was well done and nobody saw it coming, but it was still pointless in the overall plot.
Like I said, it wouldn't have made any difference if the other teams knew about Sean from the beginning, and it makes no difference to Delta's plans if the player knows he is there.
>>343875936
Only Q Team knows that Sean exists until the end.
>>343875862
I'll be Sigma, you can beher first husband
>>343875961
Don't have it unfortunately. I just nabbed that webm from some anon here.
>>343875946
>teased players with something in the end of VLR
>didn't explain what was that about at all
People are understandably upset.
>>343875946
Because ? (you) the player was teased to play a big role in the 3rd game, and I'm talking about in-game shit, not just "lol your role is playing the game"
It was the same deal with Kyle
>>343875979
The problem with the twist was that I legitimately thought I missed something and went back to make sure I didn't
I'm happy we at least have a third game to be disappointed about.
>>343874319
tips:
>999
>look up a no-spoilers walkthrough and get ready to get bored to death from reading the same test 999 times because you chose to buy it instead of emulate it
>vlr
>you're alright, but get ready to BEEP BEEP BEEP, don't save in puzzle rooms if you bought the 3DS versions
>ztd
>let timers run out and do every decision
>>343876124
I'm not.
I'm disappointed in the game, AND I'm disappointed in the obscene amount of obligatory shitposting apologists that have arisen due to this. I don't need more disappointment in my life.
>>343876124
I'd be more happy if we there wasn't a game to be disappointed about. I mean, yeah there are some polarizing opinions on which one is better VLR or 999, but it's mostly because they're both so good. So far people's opinion of ZTD are universal in it being sub par to the whole series.
>>343875663
This scene gave me weird feelings.
>>343876102
How do you know he's not? He could be literally any character at any point of the game and you wouldn't know unless it was stated.
>>343876102
>that feel when we changed history and caused ZTD
>that feel when we fucked up
we have to go back
>>343876487
Depends on the thread (and probably time of day). I've been in threads where I'm told that I'm the only one who dislikes the game and the general consensus is that the game is a great conclusion.
I wonder if ZTD would've turned out great if they made the game after porting 999 & VLR to other platforms.
>>343876586
Apologists exist everywhere. Also denial.
>due to increased popularity expected some actual porn of Phi taking in Sigmas 18 incher
Sadly due to retarded plot reasons I don't expect any now. Phi looked really cute
>>343876638
Why the fuck would this change anything ? Are you talking about the sales ?
>>343876731
there was a thread on /aco/ and some drawfag drew that, mabye it's still up
>>343876727
I know. It's just frustrating, anon. Especially when I've half-heartedly followed the series for what, seven years or so, only to be told that I need to accept the game as being absolutely perfect and flawless. I hate kids, man.
>>343876568
If you need a Q&A to answer unresolved shit in the game, you're not a good writer.
I bet he'll pull shit out of his ass and say
>UHHHHHHHH THE PLAYER WAS KYLE
And drones here will be OOOOH 2DEEP4U
>>343876754
No, I mean they would have more money to make the game better.
>>343876092
>>343876102
These are good answers, thanks guys.
I'm still more pissed at the stuff that had more build-up than "?" (like Kyle), but I do see the problem here now. I get the strong impression that he dumped the idea a lot sooner than the other ones he had for ZTD, which explains why he brushed it off and claimed it was a teaser rather than make a false promise to include it in the next game.
>>343876808
I got so burned out by game being this shitty I don't feel like being frustrated over people who can't keep up with reality. I like Uchi just as the other guy, but he fucked up with ZTD. I'm willing to keep supporting him because fuck ups happen, but 'licking balls' isn't going to help here If I want to see a good game out of him again.
Besides the whole alien technology thing, I think my biggest disappointment about ZTD was how limited the character interactions were. I was worried ever since they revealed everyone would be restricted to teams.
A lot enjoyment I got out of the other 2 games was seeing how all the characters interacted and clashed and I felt the game was really lacking due to that restriction. I understand why Uchi did it that way, but I would've loved to see the whole cast interact more than the little we see in the true ending parts.
>>343876852
>>343876754
They should've first ported 999 and VLR gain money from the sales and the make ZTD
>>343876808
it will only get worse the more time passes and the more the opinions get poralized, also people that didn't really like it will move on leaving behind only the ones that loved it which will dismiss most criticism as memes or shitposting.
that's what happens in pretty much every general or continous thread too
>>343876985
I agree with you. I've been posting my disappointment since day one of finishing the game. Enabling his behavior is only going to create more ZTDs.
>>343877028
Sure although I can't see myself frequenting these threads for such a long time. Plus, as with all new games, new threads will eventually lessen in frequency.
Game is so easy as fuck, and then you get that fucking transporter math puzzle.
I don't know, maybe it's because I forgot math, maybe I got retarded over the years, but I had to look up solution.
>>343877028
Jesus christ can you people be more butthurt? So some people like the game, what's it to ya?
By the way we dismissed the one guy shitting on the game in the other thread because he wasn't giving actual criticisms. He didn't even say anything about the game so naturally he got "this is bait" responses.
Fuck off with your
>I AM THE BETTER ONE AT POSTING IN AN ANONYMOUS FROG RACING SCOREBOARD WEBSITE
attitude
>>343872009
>alice
>not in worse than ass aids tier
Fuck you
>>343876727
>>343876808
>only to be told that I need to accept the game as being absolutely perfect and flawless
Hmm, I've been hanging around these threads since I finished it the day after it's release and I don't think I've seen anyone call it perfect.
From what I see people universally agree the ending was at most sub-par and the game could clearly be improved in all fronts had it not been for budget issues.
It's not a matter of denial if one clearly enjoyed the game but are willing to accept that it could've been better.
>>343873549
Every team needs two votes to die. Just picking the other path to watch the cutscene doesn't mean they died.
If you want to kill D Team go to C and Q and vote for them, the game remembers your last choice
>>343877131
Question: how are you guys giving him constructive criticism? It's difficult to see how exactly the dissent will reach him.
Just finished the game. Love the attention to the music even if Blue bird lamentation was a tad bit used too much imo. Shed doesn't have the impact she did in VLR but oh well.I feel complete.
>>343873580
I remember before ZE3 announcement and people theorising Sigma and Phi's true relationship
And everyone calling them dumbasses ,not possible yada yada
>>343877226
thanks for proving my point? I didn't even say if I liked the game or not but you already assume I am butthurt and stuff like that
and instantly lash out in anger to people that have a different opinion, if anything calm down your attitude and accept that some people didn't like it
>>343876989
I almost agree, but I was thinking about it earlier, and as you probably have also realised, it just gets too messy with 9 people interacting all the time. It was one of the problems with the previous games, really; establishing "NUH U MITE B DA BADDY" over and over got tiresome, and the only times anything could actually happen was when they split up. It was always more interesting splitting them into DIFFERENT groups each time though.
Really, I think ZTD is a "take what you got because you're lucky it happened at all" kind of a thing. A shame, but... y'know. Everyone's said it already, ZTD wasn't bad, and some of the highlights - Carlos' Bizarre Adventure, for one, and the hope of two ending for another - were fantastic. But it really isn't as great as it should have been, and we can entirely thank Danganronpa (a series I also like but for different reasons) for stealing the spotlight.
>>343877323
Lurk around more. I don't mean that as an insult but there is a shocking amount of posters who do believe that the game is great and wonderful for what it is, with little-to-no problems. And sadly, they seem to be the most vocal in dealing with dissenting opinions, displaying extreme childish behavior like throwing a tantrum or resorting to immediate personal attacks.The post two above yours is a great example.
I'm all for someone having an opinion but if your opinion has no support other than assumptions and name-calling then your opinion is empty.
>>343877457
>lashing out at you because you hate it
That's not at all what's happening you retard, but I understand that you have a broken reading comprehension based on how you're reacting to these threads.
I'm calling you out not because of your opinions of this game but because you're acting like an elitist for your posting habits on 4chan of all places.
>>343877432
Constructive criticism--no matter the medium--is wasted on children.
welp we're fucked
>>343877669
What would the benefits of an NDA for something like that be?
>>343877669
Why the fuck would be who owns an IP be part of a non-disclosure agreement? I mean that seriously
>>343877724
company not wanting backlash for hoarding IPs without the intention of ever letting them go again
>>343877598
look, I understand insulting people makes you feel a little better about yourself but if you had actually the capacity to read or understand you would have noticed that I only described a behavior that is common in many threads and anyone who spent some time here would know, now go on and keep accusing people of trying to act morally superior while being the one that actually try to show how superior he is for not taking posting here seriously
>>343877860
Stop responding to it.
>>343877432
Because unlike meme-posters people with actual criticism don't enjoy posting the same shit over and over when is met with nothing than shitposting as answers.
>>343877669
I'd like to see the 360 update of Ever 17 in English someday, but at the same time I don't want it retranslated. I want to naturally knows the hacker again.
Mr Uchikoshi sure is nice.
>>343876405
>Shitposting apologists
>As though people can't have different opinion to you
I know you didn't like it, but some did, so let us be happy pls
>>343878157
>the fans are very happy about that botched ending
ok
>>343878167
I know you liked it but some didn't so let us be happy please.I could do this do.
I expected more from the cast.
Sigma wasn't punished at all.
>>343877860
that entire conversation was about how dumb the posters here are for not accepting criticism and then you finish it off with
>it will only get worse
How is that not being pretentious?
>>343876808
Who the fuck calls it perfect and flawless. I like it probably a bit more than the other guy, and think some issues people have are just due to unrealistic expectations, but there's no denying the game was flawed and somethings don't add up
I did not like that as much as VLR. The puzzles were also shit. the ending didn't feel that satisfying to me either. I was looking for an extra end or something for a while after I finished it, but to no avail.
>>343878310
It's more melodramatic than pretentious.
at least MGSV had replay value
>>343878251
>punished junpei wasn't punished
>punished sigma wasn't punished
>punished Snake wasn't punished
Vieo game writing sucks, imma go read the Count of Monte Christo
>>343878247
I'm fine with you not liking it.Imagine a world with to circlejerk threads. One for the haters and one for the lovers. That'd be nice
>>343878505
If you don't get tired of fultoning niglets sure
>>343877645
You're saying Uchi is a child who can't take criticism? To clarify, that was who I was referring to.
It's just that a lot of posters here seem to think that the criticism actually does have a purpose, and that purpose is to assure that Uchi doesn't fuck up another game. You make it seem like it's a lost cause.
>>343878668
I'm sure he's talking about 'children' who saying that this is a good game. Or at least on par with others in the series.
>>343878620
There are other websites if you want a circlejerk. All I crave is rationality.
>>343878668
>that was who I was referring to
You should have specified then. Oh well.
However, by "enabling his behavior", I meant that Uchi receiving nothing but acclaim and support of the game will show him that it's okay to create another game like it (ignoring promised answers, forgetting previous significant plot points, so forth and so on.)
>>343878753
That too.
>>343878735
>Still a better ending than what we got.
Phi is so sexy.
>>343878797
But these threads are never going to have rationality, because we're talking about opinions. You can't say the game was objectively bad, because ranking it is a subjective thing. You say rationality, but what you want is people to agree with you.I do agree though, the game wasn't perfect. But at the same time, Fuck You I Liked It.
If the events in 999 only happened a year ago why do Junpei and Akane look like they are in their mid 20s?
>>343876806
Fuck yes!
And I thought people said this series had no porn
>>343878974
ermm, because they are in their mid 20s, perhaps?
Liking the game is fine, disliking it is also fine. What's cancerous is people who state their own opinions as a fact. But if you think about it that's a problem that exists within all the boards on 4chan.
>>343879013
Is that M2 in the partcipant five slot?
>>343878735
>dio's tophat is missing
>>343879129
Yeah. I don't know why I keep returning...I guess it's because of my complex motives
>>343877669
>>343877724
>>343877770
>>343877783
Maybe Lemnisca.
That would make sense.
brb gonna ask Blick Winkel
Did the anon who asked Uchi on facebook if Carlos is bi already get an answer?
>decide to watch a streamer since watching peoples reactions in these type of games is fun
>they miss the most obvious shit that I figured out in under 2 seconds when doing puzzles
Sometimes I don't know whether I am just smarter or if its just that other people are just retarded.
Though I choose to believe that they are all just pretending to be retarded to put on a 'show' for the camera
>>343878797
Sorry for the lack of clarification.
I'm all for informing Uchi, but I think it's difficult to do so in an effective way and that's where I see the issue. For example, if ZTD isn't critically acclaimed, Uchi may rethink how he approached the game but may not grasp the real issues that people had with it.
This definitely seems like more of a thing that has to be resolved over an open forum with his fans...which, I admit, sounds unlikely.
So, I've been avoiding these threads whilst I play the game myself, so this theory may have already been brought up. It's about the story with the snail and the people involved.I have reason to suspect that Mira is actually killed by her younger self.If you read the logs at the end of the game. Sean breaks Mira out of jail and encourages her to use the transporter room to go back in time to stop herself from murdering anyone.Eric and Mira jump transport back in time, but they can't pinpoint the date correctly.Mira knows where her first crime happened and begins to jog along that path everyday. Eric calls a cab for when Mira finishes her jog.One day, Mira sees the snail and goes the other path, ultimately to her known death. Eric gets arrested because he knows Mira and the rest of the chain happens.I also think that the old man in the hospital is Delta, the old couple is Phi's adoptive parents.
>>343879502
there are two problems, one that the accused man was akane's father, the other that the killed woman was implied to be eric's mother
Stream friday laddies
>>343879412
ZTD may have been disappointing, but the memes so supreme
>>343875393
Yes, it's used on the cover for the booklet.
Finally, a game about age discrimination and how little we pay attention to our senior citizens.
Hug your yet unnoticed old bald psichic wizard grandpa, who's been watching your masturbation sessions for the last 20 years.
What ifMira is actually Eric's mother and Eric is Akane's father?
>>343864957
>Even thread images are spoilers
MOTHERFUCKERS
>>343879498
>Sorry for the lack of clarification
All good, dude.Apologizing on 4chan what kind of bizarro world did I step into
>if ZTD isn't critically acclaimed, Uchi may rethink how he approached the game but may not grasp the real issues that people had with it
And I agree. I think he should be informed of the main issues that many people have but in an efficient and informative way, without smoke being blown up his ass where the only communication he would receive involving the game being decent and excellent with no flaws mentioned.
Of course, I have no idea how to go about this either, and personally, I expect nothing useful to come from the Q&A.
>>343879502The jogger is Eric's mother who is murdered by Mira. Akane's father is falsely accused of the murder which causes Akane's mother to become an hero. You're right about the old man in the hospital being Delta while the young boy needing the operation is originalSean.
>>343879723
mean to reply to >>343879639
>>343879723
No, Akane isn't a half'n'half.
Then again, to put it bluntly, she's really hot, so she might be.
>Sigma dying
>Calling Diana Luna
My heart
I'm going to marry Carlos!
>>343879374
Actually - if my memory is right - I think that anon said he's only asking so that the people who think Carlos is gay can be proven wrong.
...Assuming that "gay" can still mean Carlos is bisexual, if the anon did get a confirmation that Carlos is bi, then he may not even bother posting it.
>>343879730
it's not
>>343879808
Go SHIFT somewhere else Carlos
>>343879816
is ever explained why he couldn't shift?
or was he a Sigma from the future in that moment shifted to the past so he confused Diana with Luna for that reason?
>>343879816
Luna and Diana are some of the most tragic characters in video games. Luna's strong but doomed (and, well,a robot), while Diana is a very weak person when it comes down to it.
>Carlos killed Junpei and Akane
>this is never brought up
>in the ending where Sigma and Diana escape Sigma tells "I am sure everyone is fine" even if they saw Phi being burned in the incinerator moments ago
>>343876404
why would u need a walkthrouh for 999? or do you mean look up the correct paths to take to get the best ending? that I agree with but I suggest you do your first playthrough completely blind
>>343880071
>or do you mean look up the correct paths to take to get the best ending?
yes
>>343878835
Me at the bottom.
>that part in the healing room with Diana complaining about her daily life
With so many shifters and crazy fucks it's easy to forget that at the end of the day she was just a normal person.
>>343879996
>Carlos killed Junpei and Akane
When was this?
>>343879913
I guess its cause when you Shift you basically swap places with another you and I guess the other you gets the dieing body and probably can't shift anymore or something like that.
So that most likely wasn't the sigma that originally got stabbed just some other poor sigma who was thrown into a dieing body when the original one fucked off to another timeline.
>>343877487
I think his point is that it's nice to shuffle the groups around rather than just have 9 talking at once.
>>343880154
when he throws Evil Sean to the transporter and makes it explode, there were an Akane and Junpei in the import pods right there too
>>343880125>found it odd she specifically mentions 'no rape'
>oh
>... oh
>>343864957
999 junpei was infinitely more cooler than ztd one
>'i am santa' rusemaster, part time mystery genius
>vs
>'hurr hard street life i am noire now' tryhard who's best plan was covering akane in his own intestines for sake of better future
>>343879867
Dammit anon, you post this every two threads...not that I don't want to marry him too.
Honestly I think marrying him is risky. With his borderline suicidal he with using his SHIFTing abilities, he may die in your timeline and move onto another and leave you forever...
given that he didn't fax copies of himself using the transporter.
>>343880265
Maybe he didn't know that their original selves are still in there?
And it's not like he wanted to blow it up. It just kinda happened.
>>343880392
With how borderline*
Could Shifters live forever?
Every time they are about to die from old age, they shift to a younger version of themselves.
>>343880442
oh sure, I wasn't being 100% serious
I just found it kinda funny
>>343866267
The retarded thing about that puzzles is you had to spam the same card to get as many results as possible and it wasn't useful
NO FUCKING SHIT THAT ALMOST EVERY CARD IS GREATER THAN 1 AND SMALLER THAN 12, SHOW ME MORE COMBINATIONS!
>>343880071
You DO NOT want to pick the wrong dialog choices, especially if you're playing on 3/DS otherwise get used to doing the same puzzles over and over, and skipping diaglog.
>>343864957
>any guess as to what happened between 999 and ZTD that made him so moody?
Play the game.
>>343880496
In a way, yes. It's a total reset, though; the world goes back to how it was. So you can't, like, build something, or do anything more complex than what you can memorise.
>>343880496
that would only get them stuck in the same time perio
>>343880381
He wasn't the MC anymore
But thanks to him stepping down we have Carlos
>>343880381
>when he betrays Carlos causing his death and killing Sigma and Diana too
>all for MUH AKANE
Honestly he is just like Eric
just transported from a future timeline with zero escapes 4, can confirm that it is better than ZTD but worse than VLR and 999
post memes
>>343880584
However, as more shifters are being born, the number of shifts occurring at any point increases. Could the older people not use the increased shift amount to boost their own shift ability?
>>343880496
I don't see any reason why not. But theoretically, as you lived longer the statistical chances of getting killed by a freak accident without time to shift would climb exponentially.
Mors certa, hora incerta.
>>343880630
post proof
>>343880630
Go back and tell Uchi to write something new.
>built AI, robots and all kind of super stuff
>his masterplan for when he went back in time was to scream at people about SIX BILLION PEOPLE WILL DIE
>>343880620
>all for MUH AKANE
He was like that in 999, that's nothing new.
>>343880306
Damn, I too never realised that. Now I'm sad.
>>343880620
That was just for Carlos to realise he could shift and to have that "WHY DID YOU PICK ALLY YOU DUMBASS" moment. It just wasn't as good as in VLR
>>343880125
Sigma was just about to finish college and then he wakes up in a death game and spends the rest of his life on the moon, alone.
On a side note, where is Sigma suppose to go after this game?
>>343880381
I don't like Junpei in ZTD. Not only is he a huge asshole now, his reason for becoming one isn't even that compelling. Add to the fact that he seems to be dumber than his 999 self makes it a no brainer why Carlos is so popular around these parts.
>>343880824
Not so sure in 999 he also cared about the other people and tried to get everyone to safety
Someone post that meme of Sigma lying down, trying not to die, and dying a lot.
>>343880865
To live a happy life with his waifu and newfound daughter.
>>343880824
Junpei was always selfish, but he at least tried in 999. In VLR and ZTD he kinda just stops caring about anyone but himself and Akane/Quark.
It's honestly pretty retarded because I expected a better reason than
>lul i became a detective
>lul humanity is so evil
>lul fuck everyone i save myself
>999 is an interesting premise ruined by last minute psychic bullshit.
>VLR is a goddamn mess
>ZTD actually runs with the psychic dimension hopping bullshit and makes a decent job of multiverses
>Everyone hates it for God knows why
>>343881051
Probably becauseit's an interesting premise ruined by last minute psychic bullshit.
Are those end game fanfiction files real?
>>343879747
All we can do is ask for something like an open forum, or if he's open to criticism. Before doing so, we have to make sure it's the right context and that he's even in the right frame of frame to discuss the game without brushing it off (like he has done so in the past).
...and, damn, it does really seem difficult. He may only bother to listen if he's looking to cater to the American demographic again.
>>343881051
>ruined by last minute psychic bullshit.
> last minute
Anon...
>>343881051
The only bit I'm going to bite is
>ruined by last minute psychic bullshit
It's literally foreshadowed for the entire game in both obvious (when you know) and subtle (even when you know) ways."Huh... did I leave that open?"
>>343881101
More like last-minute morality bullshit.
>>343880903
>Add to the fact that he seems to be dumber
Alcohol does that for you.
>>343881124
Even the intro spells out "How do I know these thingd?"
>>343881051
ZTD pulls more last minute bullshit than 999.
The best part? It doesn't even bother explaining any of it.
>>343880620
>Honestly he is just like Eric
Fuck no, I hate when people say this. I'm a huge Junpeifag, but he's not the same as Eric. The only thing they have in common is that they're willing to fuck people over for the woman they love and Junpei did the same shit in 999 and Quark in VLR.
Their personalities are completely different. Junpei is way more calm and calculating in backstabbing people while Eric just looses his shit over any tiny thing. The only time Junpei gets super mad is when Carlos fake rapes Akane and that's totally justifiable.
Basically, while Junpei's decisions are rooted in emotional feelings, he's way more rational than Eric who just loses his shit over everything at the drop of a hat.
>>343881196
>I'm a huge Junpeifag
Thanks for prefacing your post with a severe bias clouding your judgement of the character.
>Junpei is way more calm and calculating
lol
>>343880496
By themselves, no. But using transporter, it's possible.
>shift back to younger age
>turn on the transporter, make a clone to older age timeline
>shift back to younger clone in the old age timeline
>>343881108
>American demographic
Western demographic, you meant. Also, is not like he has other options, considering the fact that Japan didn't give a shit about the Zero Escape franchise.
>>343880903
Carlos is 'popular' because he's basically flawless. Shifter, intelligent, calm, friendly, fundamentally good, not to mention he looks like hitler's wet dream.I'd use "mary sue" phrase but 4chen overuses it anyway so i'll refrain from doing so
>>343881196
>Junpei did the same shit in 999
How ? the 999 cast wasn't as antgonistic as VLR or ZTD's cast. He never actually to fuck over people in 999
I seriously wonder if there's a rough draft out there that is wildly different from the final product. I always get the feeling that Uchi intended Junpei and Akane to be a tragic romance.
>>343881301
>he looks like hitler's wet dream.
he's hispanic
>>343881301
>Carlos is 'popular' because he's basically flawless.
Honestly he's kind of dumb even if he's well meaning.
The whole VLR ending shows it pretty clearly.
Sean should have been Left as a child or something
Seriously, who the fuck was Sean (the original)
>>343881382
Dios mio!
>>343881160
>Alcohol does that for you.
He loses it after a single bottle of beer. Weak!
Now Diana is fucking hardcore. Shouldn't even be able to stay conscious or alive after that many bottles of hard liquor, considering her weight.
>>343881396
Wasn't it Brother's adoptive brother that died when he was young ?
Honestly the biggest Bullshit thing about the Delta twist is that Eric and Mira IMMEDIATELY start calling Q Sean instead of "kid" and such, and it's really inconsistent.
A better solution would have been to have them have a conversation where they ask him what his "real" name is and he answers Sean. That way the player is still baited into thinking he is Q, and it doesn't seem off that they randomly start referring to him by the "right" name.
>>343881498
>after a single bottle of beer
Huh? He had been drinking ever since he was in detective agency.
>>343881301
He is not like a Mary Sue, he is more like a goody-two-shoes who tries to be good and well intentioned at everything, but that doesn't mean his ideas and plans go as well as he wants to.
>>343881396
A super genius child that came up with the quantum computer idea and that was so smart people from all around the world visited him for asking about technical stuff
>>343881396
Some incredibly smart kid Brother met at the hospital and thought was cool.
Just change it up a but, Sean could be Left. Still don't get how Brother got the equipment to even clone Left in the first place.
>>343881498
This. I wouldn't challenge her to an elbow rise contest fo sho.
That was 2 and half 75cl bottle of 40° and she was still standing and managed to fuck afterward without puking everywhere
Is there even a single reason for Carlos not to shoot Q? By Q's own logic, there's a one in eight billion chance that he's the religious fanatic, and therefore he should die.
>>343881554
I agree with this one.
>>343881498
He is japanese, he can't handle alcohol.
>>343881382
I'm not really saying whether or not he can't be hispanic, but do you think Uchi actually intended that to be the case? All we have is his and his sisters' names to suggest that he might be, and I know a white Carlos.Also isn't Carlos also a Portuguese name?
>>343870414
It's just very poor written twist. It's rediculous how character ignores his existance even if he's most suspicious old fuck ever. There is tons of moments in game where we see room with Q team from above with only three of them. It's afwul. Sigma's foreshadowing has tons of dialogues.
>>343881650
Sean isn't Left. Sean is a kid that died due to taxi getting crashed and surgeon not being able to save him after the woman's (Akane's mother) death. Left was a son of foster parents of Delta back in 1904.
>>343881602
In-game he gets drunk after a single beer bottle, so I don't buy the whole hard boiled alcoholic bravado he tries to sell.
Meanwhile D chugs enough firewater for another indian genocide, and still manages to move.
>>343881498
It's only been a year, give him time and he'll suck down alcohol like a fish in water.
>>343881743
Honestly I found it hard to believe that Eric didn't complain about having to drag Q and the wheelchair to the second floor in the library room
>>343881807
No, I meant just alter the backstory and we could just give Sean's role to Left.
>>343881394
...But isn't that whole 10 months just a way of having Akane and Junpei survive for the VLR timeline? To me, it just looks like Carlos was exploited to reach that narrative end. He doesn't even have a real role in VLR--he's just dumped.
I'm just saying this because there's a good chance that in another timeline, he did try to stop Zero.
>>343881883
This. Also Zero Time Dilemma being an anagram — woah.
>>343875123
The pink one, right? Same, but if you click on it they read all the directions out to you so w/e.
Just finished it on 3ds, the timer and SW being impossible to see are both true (and there was also laughable slowdown at one of the points during the outbreak end path where people are running in and out of decontamination) but overall perfectly fine.
>>343881602
Pretty sure he gets drunk after a single glass in-game.
Unless he was faking it, Junpei a shit.
>>343880765
here is the title
zero escape 4: split paradigm collapses
>>343882075
That was actually a coincidence that surprised Uchi himself.
>>343873580
claimed
>>343872009
This. Ignore anyone saying otherwise
TWO CARLOS
>>343881362
Door 3, he shows he's willing to potentially leave everyone else to die just so he can be together with Akane. Even if it didn't happen in the true ending, it still showed his potential for assholery.
Plus, I don't see how people don't understand why he changed after 999. Before then he was pretty naive and trusting of people, but then he gets put through a death game and afterwards he gets ditched by the woman he woman he saved without a word from her. He then spends a year being exposed to the underbelly of society and experiencing a bunch of other fucked up shit. It honestly felt like a natural development for me.
Plus it's not as if he's full edge the entire game, there's various parts in the game when you can tell he's still the same goober inside like the rec room fragment or when proposes.
>>343881301
He's not really a mary sue since he fucks up a few times and goes through a bunch of logical steps to reach proper conclusions just like any normal person. The whole transporter idea was probably his most impressive one anyways.
People like Carlos because he's just a normal guy trying to do good things. He has a sister he should be taking care of, but still tries his best to save everyone when he canalthough he tends to forget that every timeline where he's dead means leaving his sister alone.
>>343881282
Thanks for the clarification.
The thing is that Uchi probably is done with Zero Escape, while the other games he's created more or less worked better in the Japanese market. Unless Zero Escape becomes much more popular and he gets a lot more Western fans, he may turn elsewhere for future endeavors.
>>343882096
It's more dark comedy in tone. This time, they're playing theBatsuGame.
>>343882075What's it an anagram for?
>>343882238
a death game they only survive by collaborating and trusting eachother + psychic powers
if anything that should have shown him that being the Ace of the situation isn't the solution
>>343882285
honestly at this point we don't want ZTD to sell well because it means he will make more games like that than the earlier ones, only thing we can hope is that rereleases of 999 and VLR get a huge audience who similarly talk about how they are disappointed by ZTD
>>343881883
This. We're supposed to believe that no one cares enough to ever mention or even look at this deaf, blind, immobile mute, but no one complains about having to push him around?
Delta's existence felt very forced and nothing would really change if they left him out.
>>343882332
Me? I'm Zero, I'm Delta
>>343882123
No, all he said was that it was made up by the localization team
I still find it funny that zeros plan was just 'lock a bunch of dimension hopping people in a bunker and make them kill each other over and over in different ways till a dimension where the world gets saves pops up'
So tell me. does the end justify the means?
Is creating god knows how many observable timelines with nearly extinct humanity worth creating one where it is ok?
>>343881051
>>ZTD actually runs with the psychic dimension hopping bullshit and makes a decent job of multiverses
>LOLOL I'LL JUST KILL MYSELF AND JUMP TO ANOTHER TIMELINE
>>343882238
Ah yeah you're right I forgot about door 3 my bad. Also there was the fact that the players in 999 had much less opportunities of actions due to not having a way to kill them by punishment except for shoving someone in a door ,alone.
>>343882290
>A batsu game with time travel
I never knew I wanted it
>>343881282
Japan has enough visual novels, especially science fiction ones, that 999 isn't really anything special. I'm not at all surprised that the Japs don't fellate ZE as much as we do.
>>343882203
You know i kinda laughed at this meme without really thinking about it
Then I started thinking about it.
Fucking fragments man.
>>343882246
...Damn, I keep forgetting about that last part. It's pretty fucked up
One of these days he's going to realize just how many Marias he's left behind to die.
What matters might be the universe you can observe, but he probably won't see it like that.
>>343882481
The absolute madman
>I did all for the keks guys, to cheer you up!
>listen, there's nothing you cand do against me, I dindu nuffin
I can't hate him
Jesus, that Standed Pair segment really hit me deeply. Everything about it.
>we learn how Diana was abused, maybe it's just me, but I thought of her as this typical, pure maiden like in Japanese cartoons up till point, learning she went through a lot was shocking, really. Especially since I really cared for her
>we see optimistic Diana sink into wallows of despair become rude, impatient and an alcoholic
>that 'sleep with me' offer was so bizzare, so out of character for her, it made me feel uneasy
>them making up after that
>that kiss
>their first time together in the pod
>that finding happiness within each other, even in such tragic situation
>that talk with Gab how they are out of food
>choosing to save their kids over themselves
>that group hug after all of D-Team access those memories in Panic Button segment
After that, I pretty much rooted just for them to regain their memories of that timeline and live happily together which pretty much is implied to have happend.
>>343881190
Yeah, it's annoying how many plot twists they throw at you abruptly near the end.
>>343873494
works for me ;)
no, but really, what was wrong with that? open it, scribble shit you need, to close and open it again when you need it.
>>343882657
CALL THE COPS
so is the epilogue implying Phi is her own adoptive parent?
>>343882657
>It's only been like 10 minutes
>But I managed to destroy literally every piece of incriminating evidence in that underground bunker so you can't arrest me
>lol
Seriously?
>>343882806
Big Blue Button, my family
>>343882657
>There's this terrorist who will destroy the world
>How do I know? That's not important.
>Despite having MIND HACK and knowing about Akane and a bunch of other SHIFTers, the only way I can kill the fanatic is to KILL SIX BILLION
Honestly, it just sounds so fucking convoluted.
>>343882806
But it wasn't 10 minutes. When they won the coin toss they get put to sleep. I don't remember if when they wake up there is a date and time showing but for all I know they could have been sleeping for a month.
>>343882806
10 minutes? It could be hours
>play the coin game
>put them to sleep for a long time
>remove all the games with the help of the Sean-bots
>release them
>>343882482
I feel like the whole another timeline people suffering angst is unnecessary.
If there are infinite number of possibilities, infinite number of good and bad ends and everything in between, why care? And it could be averted by introducing concept of a single soul for all those infinite possibilities of a person, so achieving the perfect end means something for everyone, and not just that one SHIFTED consciousness.
>>343882957
>A month
They'd be dead without water or food in 2 days.
>>343882671
>10 months worth of semen made a glopping noise
>>343873580
>sigma being her father retcons any possible romance
>wanting Sigma to romance anyone but Diana after this game
>>343882203
God, this meme kills me every time. Such a hilarious (if disturbing) plot hole.
We need some edits of TWO CARLOS asap.
>>343880125
>it's not a shotgun on the floor
It was this close to come in the hall of fame of ZTD memes
>>343882973
nuh uh
he's not a shifter, he couldn't know they shifted until they already didhe was bluffing, that's better explanation
>>343883005
>infinite number
Well, they are technically nonexistant untill they are observed.
>>343874457
why the fuck was he choking in that scene? he doens't fucking breathe
>>343883098
I just don't feel any chemistry between them. Sorry.
>>343883116
Second Carlos probably become fanatic.
>>343873494
Man it was cool as hell. It's always nice to write notes on paper
>>343882671
>D team group hug
Fuck man that was rough. I'm a fucker for family stories
>>343883160
computer telling him to choke so they don't know he's not a robot
>>343882482
Of course it does, especially if you will never have to experience the shitty lives of those timelines
>>343883134
>he's not a shifter, he couldn't know they shifted until they already did
But he did, the only reason for the coin game was to create a timeline where they could SHITF safely. Everything was part of the keikaku.
>>343870815
>The epilogue files suggest that Eric and Mira go back in time to convince young Mira to not murder anyone somehow
fucking retarded.
>>343883245
>never have to experience
But wouldn't there be those who have access to morphogenetic phield in those timelines? So you could possibly experience all the shit.
>>343882806
>he was willing to get shot but not to get caught by the police
>he destroyed a fucking time travel machine and a quantum computer
Truly the leader FtS needs.
>>343883259
they could as well just shift to moment before pressing escape box button and not press it
>paradox
everything is paradox in this game, it seems like it's not a problem
>>343875759
Sigma waited decades for his waifu. He's earned it
>>343883325
Two things that really bug me: why did Mira stop being crazy and why did no one fucking say anything about her being a serial killer when they're all together? I mean, she fucked with a lot of people there.
>>343875473
>the biggest slut
I will fucking maim you. Diana is a fragile flower that was hurt by that monster that guilt-tripped her into marrying him. She was too good for this world, that's why that faggot kept taking advantage of her.
Luckily, now she will save the world with her loving, handsome, strong husband, her beautiful and smart daughter that is like 5 years younger than she and their SHIFTer friends. Diana will live a happy, fulfilling life full of love, kindess, adventures and doing good and die peacefully at 150, surrounded by her family and friends.
>>343883394
>Even having a time travel machine and a quantum computer in the first place
I enjoyed ZTD but it really went to shit by the end.
>>343883245
There is ZE4 potential. You can't just SHIFT so much without any cares of space and time.
>timelines start fusing with each others and creates paradoxes in worlds
>>343883456
>too good for this world
well, i guess that's why she killed 3/4 of world population to save one armless retard
>>343883456
You remind me of my faggot friend, who cries at every single Diana scene that is remotely sad.
>>343883435
>Mira is the reason why the ZE series even happens
>Is basically a tertiary character
What the fuck was the point of her character? Was she created just so Uchi could go
>LOOK AT HOW EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED :^)))
>>343883397
>they could as well just shift to moment before pressing escape box button and not press it
And then what.
>>343883593
and then not press it
>>343872009
> isn't the same as <, anon
easy mistake to make!
...
So why does Sigma has shorter hair, we know he had long hair before participated in ZTD.
>>343883593
blow the doors with exploding balls like they did in apocalypse ending, get out
>>343883394
No he didn't destroy the quantum computer or time machine
He loaded them on a UHAUL truck and sent it away somewhere, the computer sending signals to Sean via a Satellite that he apparently owns as well.
>>343883657
He... cut it? This isn't some mystery
>>343883553
>Where is quark
>Get away from quark
>QUAAAAAARK
It was everything he had
>>343883435
POWER OF LOVE CURES HER ))
Yeah, no one cares that Eric is psycho who execute kids and woman without any problems. And read files. They gonna change the past and fuck everything. EVERYTHING
>>343883553
AMBIDEX GAAAAAAAAMEEEE
>mfw those cheesy anime one liners at the end
>>343883657
There is this marvellous thing called a barbershop
You should visit one sometime
>>343883725
In one route Diana notices that the bomb has no "balls", impliying that the bomb can only be used in one specific timeline
>>343883764
Last line was cool
>>343883657
If any trivial and hairy mystery needs to be addressed, it's Carlos's hair. What the fuck does this shit even look like when it's down? It actually looks pretty long.
>>343883767
lol, so you mean to tell me old man sigma (who didn't care about his appearance) would waste time going to the barbershop?
>>343883897
Did he shoot ,/v/ ?Would you have shot
>>343883992
what's the point?
there's a history where both happened
these games are fucking bullshit
>>343883992
No. I wouldn't as well.
>>343881743
>Sigma's foreshadowing has tons of dialogues
I remember like 3 lines
>>343883992
why would I shoot a completely innocent unarmed old man who has literally done nothing wrong?
Sooo, what happens with young Sigma's consciousness after the true end? If VLR never happens, then how would his consciousness be able to leap back to his young body?
>>343881051
999
>some people have psychic powers that go through time
VLR
>some people can jump through time and dimensions
ZTD
>everyone can jump through time
>aliens
>transporting
>seeing into the future
>mind hacking
>>343883764
POWER
OF
FRIENDSHIP
Is he dressed like Marty McFly on purpose?
>>343883992
Does it really matter considering everything happens?
>>343884076
It already leaped ,but diverged from the Apocalypse ending ,thus stopping the cycle
>>343880825
Well, Sigma does say later her ex-husband was solicitating her for sex and if she didn't cooperate, he would beat her till she gave in.
Seems like rape to me.
>>343884164
>everything happens?
Theoretically only.
>>343884154
Yes
The way they tried to "bring back" the AB game was pretty retarded. It felt like it was trying to be a callback for people who played VLR, but it ended up being a boring plot point since anyone who played VLR already had the AB game shit drilled into their head a hundred times and already knew exactly what was going to happen.
>I was only 67 years old
>But in my 22 year old body
>I loved Zero so much, I owned all the watches and bracelets
>I play Decision Games every night, thanking him for the life I'm about to lose
>"His motives are complex", I say, "Life is unfair"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>He is obviously jealous of my devotion to Zero
>I called him a cunt
>He slaps me and sends me to another timeline
>I am crying now, because my face hurts in the previous timeline
>I get injected and forget the previous 90 minutes
>I feel a warmth moving towards me
>I fell something touch me
>It's Zero (Q (Delta))
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear, "Why? Because of a snail."
>He mind hacks me puts me on my hands and knees
>I'm ready
>I solve puzzles for Zero
>He transports me with an alien device
>It makes no sense, but I do it for Zero
>I can feel my other selves dying as he kills my dog
>I try to prevent the deaths of six billion people
>I want to please Zero
>He laughs a mighty laugh as he tosses me a gun
>My dad walks in
>Zero looks him deep in the eyes and says, "Plaudite, acta est fabula. "
>Zero leaves as the walls reveal it was all one ward
Zero is love, Zero is life.
>>343883992
It doesn't matter anymore. You always can die and SHIFT into different timeline. Everything is meaningless now
>>343884296
It was quickly done with though.
>>343884089
>aliens
this one was most painful for me
like, okay, i got it, this game has magical consciousness data sharing layer, sure, cool
hell, even mindo hakku is not that bad, it kinda fits in theory where mind is something not entirely attached to body
and then, suddenly, aliens - out of blue, with not a single thing explained, only for single purpose of explaining transporter existence in 1900's
>>343883853
Balls?
>>343875663
what was the point of the scene? did they realize they had to create phi or something?
>>343883941
Old Sigma probably cringed at his old jumpsuit and the thought of putting it on again right before the AB game started
So why was the game perfectly fine with telling you that Sigma was a genius polymath 67-year old from the future, but not that Akane was a master manipulator who kidnapped Junpei and a bunch of other people a year ago?
>>343884383
The red and the blue one, they have to be in contact for the bomb to explode
>>343884521
She was under heavy mental pressure, drunk and wanted some love. Don't try to dig deeper.
>>343884549
Despite spoiling major plot points of both games, they never did tell you who orchestrated the events of both.
>>343884609
I know but maybe she was foreshadowing sigmas lack of balls
>>343884549
sigma wasn't a really a genius. he was just really smart, really dedicated, and had akane and her time jumping shenanigans to help him out with stuff.
clearly young sigma certainly isn't a genius in VLR
>>343883536
Seems like a man of good taste.
>>343864957
He literally tells you everything.
Play the game anon.
Its the worst of the 3 but it only gets bad near the end so its still pretty good.
>>343866604
Read the cinematic files after you beat the game. She turns herself in.
>phi ends up alone despite wanting to be a mother
should have added another character or gotten rid of the craps ones like eric.
>>343884367
and replaced with something better
"Oh boy can't wait for this ab game to be a perpetual loop of bullshit"
"Oh I bet this third option is both picking ally. ZZZZ"
>It's actually a hilarious as fuck retarded journey through time and space that leads to the one real ending C-team has.
>>343884521
No.They wanted to show Delta's creation.
>>343884813
Man, I wished there was a cutscene with the winning team being transported there.
What are your favorite moments from the game that you don't hear mentioned a lot?
I really liked Rec Room fragement, in particular when you get the jukebox to work and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weW2wvwG3wQ starts playing. It gave me a really spooky sense of foreshadowing for the upcoming decision game.
>999
>Zero is about 20 years old
>VLR
>Zero is about 70 years old
>ZTD
>Zero is about 120 years old
Damn if there was a ZE4 Zero would be a fucking zombie.Or already dead and having planned everything in advance with recordings. That would be a cool twist
So what was a bigger disappointment ZTD or hotline miami 2?
Let's think.
Carlos use teleport and jump before the Dcom experement. Now second Carlos, like Phi, exist in different timelines.
In the end of ZTD Eric, Sean and Mira going to use teleport and prevent murders, prevent SNAIL mambo jambo. That means...
>>343885156
Delta was quite a zombie already.
>>343885198
ZTD is fucking great, we're bitching about it because this is basically what one should do on /v/
>>343885251
But zero foresaw this and it turns out the reason why she died is because sean mira and Eric went back in time
>>343885359
Let's no delude ourselves : it had problems, but mostly the ending. I also think it was a great ride, just that the destination was disappointing
>>343885410
my favorite asspull theory is that Eric is his own father and Mira killed herself.
>>343885359
nah, it's mindblowingly stupid.
>no kyle
>aliums out of nowhere
>everything about delta
>mira being the hamfisted snail
The last one is really egregious. Uchi could have easily come up with something more compelling than a random serial killers causing all of this. Maybe saving the life of someone... anything.
>>343885497
I liked the ending but disliked details like the Transporter or the absence of Kyle
>>343885535
That would make sense and explain why Erics mom constantly insist they should smile
>>343883992
No. In the end, Delta did the things he did for the sake of mankind. I could also kill Akane for causing deaths of everyone numerous times in 999.
>>343885359
Obviously, /v/ is mostly filled with irrational angry shitposting, but ZTD threads are actually sane enough. Surprisingly.
>>343885359
>we
Speak for yourself, newfriend. ZTD has numerous flaws.
>>343883897
>a Deagle brand Deagle
>that fucking small in his hands
Carlos, the man, the legend, the titan
>>343885591
I've been over Kyle's disappearance now that the dust has mostly settled. When you think about it, it makes no fucking sense that he would be there because you can't shift in someone else's body. Aside from, you know. "?".
I understand why it's disappointing and it was definitely a bad move, but I don't resent Uchi. He set the standards way too high with VLR, and I think sacrifices were to be made.
That being said, I hope he can move on and make a fresh new IP in a couple years
>>343884089
>everyone can jump through time
The human spirit is limitless and developes with every passing second.
>999 & VLR don't sell well
>ZTD gets canned
>due to fan actions ZTD gets made after all, but on a low budget
>Uchi decides he wants EVERY SINGLE SCENE IN THE GAME FULLY ANIMATED AND VOICE-ACTED
>half the game gets scrapped as a result
why did he think this was ok
>>343885824
More sales
>>343885809
>it makes no fucking sense that he would be there
Nah, Uchi's just a bad writer for hyping it up and then not having the chops to deliver.
>>343884309
Absolute perfetion. Saved and transported to every timeline via morphogenetic field.
What was originally in Gab's container? I remember something about nondescript medicine or something, but for who?
Was it for bald psychic wizard back when he pretended to be a vegetable?
>>343885824
I also missed running wiseass commentary. One of my favourite things about 999 and VLR was how fuck-giving-less the protags were and the constant innuendo and internal eye-rolling.
I guess what I'm saying is I wanted a visual novel and not a Telltale-but-even-worse-animated adventure game thing.
>>343884375
It's not even just that they had alien tech in 1900s, the fact that Germans and Americans didn't use it for their own purposes, or keep the machine tightly under their own wraps.
Sure, they might not know how to use the machine, but they sure as hell would be too intrigued by it to just let it go after two babies pop out of it in 1900s.
>>343885757
great, now i can't unsee enormous ~3m high carlos on this picture
>>343885824
It'd be fine if the cutscenes were well animated, but the animation is so shit that I can't even take serious scenes seriously.
>>343885824
Come on the cinema mode was far from being the biggest problem. It really grew on me to be honest, and while the animation was janky, the models were great.
>>343885824
>half the game gets scrapped as a result
Source? What was scrapped?
>>343886048
They did keep it under wraps. The only reason the Germans lost it was cause of the war. The more intriguing question was how Delta got a hold of it
>>343886107
>>343886108
I blame the 3DS and it's 2007 hardware
>>343886236
MAINDO HAKKU
>>343886108
The problem with the cinema animations was that it more-or-less preserved the 3-to-4 poses thing each character was given in 999 and VLR. It works for a VN, but in a cinematic thing you expect to see more animations than just a preset few canned ones.
However, that'd have needed more budget.
>>343886236
Yeah, I can buy that Americans get it from Germans after/during the war, but I have no idea how Americans would let it slip under their wraps.
>>343886236
MIND HACK, muthafucka.
>>343886232
He's exaggerating everything, at worst half an hour of plot was scrapped
>>343886380
>>343886380
>>343886380
New thread Uchifags
>>343886236
Any retard who awakens to Mind Hack powers could be the fucking ruler of earth.
>>343886232
All the dropped plotlines that were specifically being set up for at the ends of VLR and 999.
>>343884309
I would gladly incinerate elementary school children just to be able to see this pasta.
>>343886369
>He's exaggerating everything
in his defence, it is true that every single scene in game was animated and voice acted, even if animation was rather poor.
But yeah, it feels like only the aftermath of the true ending was cut and reduced to written log entries.
>>343886712
and vlr wasn't voice acted?
>>343887067
Voice acting piles on more work, but not in the same way as fully animated scenes do.
In VLR, outside of having to record lines, adding new scenes is more or less simpler scripting since the engine already exists and what not.
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