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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-03-three-years-on-how-does-bioshock-infinite-hold-up
>BioShock Infinite is a game that wants to have its cake and eat it, and rather than accept its limitations, rips a hole in the fabric of reality to do so. It's gaming's loftiest and most spectacular folly, a monument to the mad extremes this industry will sometimes go to in search of a better version of an idea already explored to exhaustion.
So now that the dust has settled is Infinite still the Citizen Kane of gaming?
Infinite is a middle of the road shooter, that's it.
Most definitely. I felt surge of pleasure flowing through my body when i finished it. It was like something divine and unforgottable touched my inner child. I cried, and then i came. Spectacular.
Shit gameplay, 2deep4u plot that wasn't actually that complicated, below average quality Shock game. You'd have to be some sort of idiot that plays video games for a gaming news site to like this game that much.
>>343820450
I can't believe how much cock sucking Infinite got. Was it a bad game? No, but I had to wade through thousands of retards saying it was literally the pinnacle of story telling and gameplay. Anytime I tried to critique the game, I was called a troll or hater.
Fucking hell.
>>343820450
>After playing Infinite through a second time, I dug out my original review of the game (written for Custom PC Magazine) and was surprised to find myself describe it as "the pinnacle of what the mainstream FPS can offer." Three years down the line, I couldn't feel further from that assertion.
Translation: most of my buddies were praising the game so I hopped on the train to fit in.
>>343820450
Entirely correct.
It's kind of bizarre how insanely good press it got at the time, for what is a frankenstein's monster of a game.
>>343821167
To be fair switch hype with shitposting and you've got /v/.
>>343820450
Alright, which one of you faggots wrote this article. This sounds straight out of /v/, one by 1, every single complaint.
What the fuck is going on?
>>343820450
Infinite could have been great but all we got was a shitty CoD clone with some nice art direction
>>343821838
People are slowly starting to see shit when it's in front of them. Just look at the fallout 4 debacle in the fanbase.
>>343820450
One of the worst games I have ever played. It is more than just bad, it's insultingly bad.
>>343822053
It also had a nice soundtrack
>>343821194
It had a 200 million dollar marketing budget. Do you think the reviewers were going to give it a bad score when their sites and magazines were being paid that well via ad revenue?
>>343820450
Incredibly imaginative and original art direction and story that has a thematic scope and is handled with the kind of style, vision and maturity that most AAA games can only dream of. Still one of the benchmarks in video game storytelling. The Burial at Sea DLCs are just as great, if not even better.
The art design is so fantastic
However, then there's the rest.
I always felt that Infinite landed like a brick for me because of The Last of Us. Everything with Elizabeth felt flat, from her gameplay use to the forced and incredibly clumsy "bonding" between the two.
The Last of Us covered similar ground with far more resonance.
And Infinite's gunplay never quite clicked for me - I think Infinite and the original Bioshock's shooting mechanics are much more inferior than most admit.
But I'm also the guy who thinks Bioshock 2 is the pinnacle of the series, so I'm a heretic.
It's just a shooter in a unique setting, like all of the Bioshock games.
Didn't deserve the hate here or the enormous praise elsewhere.
Can we all safely agree that Silent Hill 2 and Shadow of the Colossus are shit as well ad haven't aged well at all?
>>343822378
Even that was lazy.
The police at the fair are all tattered and bare even before things start going tits up. The civilians you get to stand and look at for a long time are repeated from a very small pool, while random fuckoffs you never get to see clearly have tons of variety.
>>343822441
>But I'm also the guy who thinks Bioshock 2 is the pinnacle of the series, so I'm a heretic.
That is a pretty common opinion on /v/. Bioshock 2 had the most solid gameplay of the Bioshocks.
BioShock Infinite still has one of the best uses of licensed music of any game I've ever played.
The steam organ cover of 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun' is a particular favorite (it's still my ringtone)... but aside from sounding great and helping to make Columbia a more immersive place, the modern songs reworked in a more era-suitable style were a clever way of subtly introducing some of the big plot points to come later in the game.
>City of Colombia
>>343822326
>Incredibly imaginative and original art direction
I bet you will say the same for MemerWatch
>benchmark for great story telling
bwahahahahahahaha. Oh wait. You were serious
let me laugh even harder
HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>343822530
I just played SotC this year though for the first time and it was great.
>>343822326
Art direction went to shit after Elizabeth redesign and concept art was better than what was in the final product
>>343820795
The plot and its reception is probably the most laughable thing about this game.
Everyone was praising it like it was some sort of revolutionary form of storytelling that tackled serious themes.
You start playing the game, and what happens? They fucking pussy out of everything and then go fucking stupid at the end for the sake of having a "twist". It took the game into Saturday morning cartoon tier.
>>343822326
>>343822731
He was obviously not serious anon. It was just a good joke, you can tell from the use of language.
>>343820450
It was never the Citizen Kane of gaming. It's a long video, but if anyone has the time, this video explains almost everything wrong with Bioshock Infinite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdNhwb7iuI4
pretty telling of the industry to go so apeshit over the concept of multiverse.
Infinite was a marvellous game, rates (to me) as 2nd in the series (right behind Bioshock). Ok, it did fall short in one or two areas. But overall, i liked this.
Been meaning to replay Infinite for a while, but alas i lent it to a friend whom has since moved away.
>>343820450
>lets give games inflated scores because we're basicly billion dollar publishers extended PR firms
>then lets go back years later and admit that the games weren't even that good in attempt to pretend we're not biased
>oops can't change that metacritic score :^)
I'm a big fan of all the Shock games, I love action-RPG style games and Bioshock 1 really hit a nerve for me. It's one of the few games I replayed a few times.
Bioshock Infinite was extremely ambitious and I agree it fell short in some areas. But compare it to any other FPS/RPG of the last decade and I'd argue it will still appear in the top 20. I am yet to replay it and the DLC, but that's due to the tsunami of games the last few years.
Some have mentioned Dishonoured trumping it, and I'll respectfully disagree with that. Dishonored is fantastic, and in many ways plays on the riffs the Thief and Shock series created. I'm very much looking forward to the 2nd game it's as close to a new Shock game as we're likely to get. The new Deus Ex is also something to look forward to.
>>343822775
What did they chicken out of?
>>343822878
>Bioshock Infinite is bad because "Nigger" is not said
lel who the fuck is this reviewer
most laughable thing I've seen all day
Bioshock Infinite is honestly one of the worst games I've ever played. I even played through the entire thing. It got worse as it went on.
It wasn't just bad either, it was offensive as it thought of itself as amazing, as god's gift to gaming. I can put up with a bad game that isn't presumptuous, but I will hate a bad game that is presumptuous forever and Bioshock Infinite is quite possibly the most presumptuous and pretentious game of all time.
>>343823159
underage please leave
>>343822878
That guy is an idiot.
>>343823358
I don't understand that meme
>>343822175
This. Up until recently with Battlefront, Infinite was the most disappointing game of all time to me.
>>343823427
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>343822878
How pretentious can one reviewer be?
>>343822775
It was basically an M Night Shamalamadindong tier story. If it had been a movie or book it would have been ridiculed.
>>343823525
Less than 1% as pretentious as bioshock infinite.
>>343823159
I suggest you look at the whole video. It goes deeper than just the use (or non-use) of the word nigger.
>>343823598
Nah, there's nothing pretentious about infinite bruh.
It was a great game, this guy's just hating because the game made more money and got more ttention than he'll see in his life.
>>343823831
>there's nothing pretentious about infinite
Nigger are you fucking serious.
>>343823831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRXlf5dgCQ
Is this a simple enough explanation?
>>343823831
>Nah, there's nothing pretentious about infinite bruh.
>>343823776
>>343823831
>omg ur just jelos
You have to be 18 or over to post here, sorry mate.
>>343820450
Alright graphics, but the gameplay was generic shit. Less than 30min playtime before I refunded it.
But I enjoy the Elizabeth r34 it spawned, so I wud rate it 3/10.
>>343823831
>the game made more money
Bioshock infinite was a financial failure and resulted in the studio closing and everyone being fired.
>>343823932
>wait a minute that card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_u18_BKczg
>>343824109
B-but my reviews from journalists desperate to be taken seriously as critics of a deep artform.
>horrible gameplay
>people tell me to carry on because of the "mind-blowing story"
>finish the game after hours of disgusting gameplay
>the story fucking sucked and it made no fucking sense
I literally got meme'd into buying and completing this game. People even told me that I didn't "get" it. No I got it alright and it was fucking horrible. The only good thing about this game is the visuals. It's just a big "journalist" bait and nothing else.
>>343824081
>But I enjoy the Elizabeth r34 it spawned
Now that you mention that, that is possibly the only good thing about Infinite.
>>343823831
>and now hired gun
A LOT OF LOYALTY
>>343823831
>>343823932
>Bioshock ratings
Wait a minute that tag
Infinite was better than Bioshock 1 and 2 easily. Hurr durrrr not as many optional corridors to search! ITS SHIT!!!!!
Gunplay was better, environment was better, characters were better, story is arguable but if you arent a faggot and just enjoy it instead of nitpick its just as good as the absurd stories of 1 and 2.
When did /v/ become an echo chamber?
Everyone loved Infinite. Not just critics.
>>343824220
Being pretentious and poorly thought out totally makes it soooo deep and smart though.
This shit right here is why video games aren't taken seriously as art and why Roger Ebert was completely correct.
>>343824321
>Popular tags for this game:
>Overrated
>>343824475
No fuck you. It was better in just about every single way.
>>343820662
No that was just your dad cumming in your ass summer fag.
>>343824372
just because you are on the internet doesn't mean you can use it as an excuse to lie you ass clown
>>343824475
This place isn't a circlejerk.
If you want that, go to neofag or reddit
>>343822086
This. 2015 was the year of tumblr/reddit. 2016 is year of memes. FO4 is the biggest example of this even though it came out in 2015. Todd's lies didn't work this time.
>>343824634
Nigger please. Everyones just repeating the same shit for like 2 years now.
>>343824220
I played through the entire thing and quit during the ending while it was bitching at me. The entire game bitches at you from start to finish and I was tired of putting up with its shit.
I can't even say I'm glad I just pirated it, because it still wasted my time.
>>343824591
What makes your opinion law?
Who the fuck are you? What makes you special?
>>343824634
>This place isn't a circlejerk.
Ken Levine's head is a fucking potato it's so ridiculous looking with all kinds of weird lumps all over it.
>>343822530
The only thing that has really aged in SH2 is the voice acting, it's just way way below par now
>>343820450
this just proves that reviews should be forbidden until at least 1 month after the game has released.
>>343824410
No. Infinite was shit. And this is coming from a guy who actually liked Bioshock 2 as much, if not moreso than 1, so it's not nostalgiafagging either. It was just a really shit, linear shooter with bland atmosphere and a fucking stupid plot.
>>343824731
>Also pirated the game
>Hated everything
>Quit when I got to ghost mom
Man, what a game.
I was never really interested in the Bioshock series due to its art theme and gameplay system in Bioshock and Bioshock 2. Therefore I didn't really pay attention to Bioshock Infinite despite the crazily high score critics and reviewers are giving the game. The reason why I play this game is that I have finished all the games I want to play this summer and I still have time. I'm totally amazed by how good the game is. The graphics are gorgeous, the gameplay is smooth and fun, and the story is one of the best I have ever seen. The shooting can be a little tedious at times in the middle and later part of the game, but the difficulty of the combat grasps my attention well enough to go through the confusing development of the plot. The ending doesn't seem to make sense at first, but after reading some articles about it and then playing a second time, I fully understand and appreciate how good the story line is. It's basically the inception among games. The navigation can be really frustrating as it keeps telling me to get on the skyline and slide around in circles for no reason. Still, nothing really takes away the thrill and excitement of this masterpiece.
>>343824830
>forbidden
I couldnt roll my eyes harder
>>343824740
who said my opinion was law?
who the fuck are you? what makes you so special fag?
>>343824372
>gunplay better
>environment better
Objectively wrong. Get your defective taste fixed, you fucking degenerate
For me it was best game of year in category of story an gameplay.Not the best game ever been but still
awsome in graphics gameplay and story line.Worth evry penny you spend on it.Of course it has some weak spots but it delivered all we want from it.
>>343824494
Roger Ebert was wrong simply because he thought fucking movies could be art. I think capeshit has proven what a joke of a medium it is.
I liked Infinite at release and I still like it now. Sue me.
>>343824805
>le SH2 voice acting is bad meme
It's literally perfect, you fucking retard. They're supposed to sound like normal people with mental problems, not movie star / radio drama phantom-of-the-opera HD collection style bullshit.
I swear to god if one more of you motherfuckers complains about Angela sounding "werid and detached" I'm going to start a fucking lynch mob.
>>343824881
I am jealous of your wisdom.
It got worse after that. I know it was bad before that and during that but trust me, it still managed to get worse.
I want my time back.
>>343824927
there's a reason historians say that history can't be properly judged/analyzed until at least a generation's time as passed, senpai.
This game was a masterpiece, but like most masterpieces it's not without flaws. The first thing you will notice is that it is visually stunning. I found myself in awe of its beauty over and over as the story progressed through various environments. The portrayal and development of characters was superb. The game unfolds like a road movie- you're on a great journey with a companion, and your relationship has its ups and downs. Elizabeth is so convincingly brought to life that you'll find yourself talking to the screen, and when the journey is over you'll miss her. The gameplay is great fun. The weapons and character abilities are innovative and a blast to use. They are simple to use but difficult to master, and you'll want to replay the game once you get the hang of things. In many ways, this game raises the bar for game developers. The team that created this obviously poured out their heart and soul and it shows at every turn, but having said that, it's not perfect. You don't get to choose or design the character you play, the part is thrust on you. A lot of times I felt that I was playing the role of a bit of a jerk. The biggest flaw in the game is that it's linear and you really can't make any meaningful choices in how things eventually play out- you're basically along for the ride. It tells a story, and once you learn the ending it doesn't get any fresher in subsequent play-throughs.
>>343825030
Gunplay was better. People act like 1 and 2 have great gunplay and they are mediocre at best. What makes gunplay in 1 and 2 any way better?
Evironment was way better than the 10 year old looking shitty hallways in 1 and 2. Infinite at least has nice looking shitty halways and a new unique environment. Instead of more of the same which you all crave.
>>343825094
sad part is that capeshit movies are still better than 99% of video game stories
>>343824927
>>343824830
I agree, reviews should be forbidden outright.
>>343824410
>Everyone loved Infinite
what? not here
>>343824569
>not getting the sarcasm
Who's the real summer fag here?
>>343825114
>>>/reddit/
If you can't tolerate other opinions, fuck off.
>>343825239
KILL IT WITH FIRE
what a minute... that card
>>343825127
I just looked up the ending right after quitting. So I have no idea how much worse it got aside from that retarded ending.
>>343825276
>/v/ is one person
>/v/ comprises the entire world
>>343825207
>Gunplay
This buzzword again.
>>343825207
Environments were reduced to the point of insanity. They were garbage. The idea could have been nice but the actual development was basically just a corridor with a skybox.
The gunplay was trash. I agree that gunplay was mediocre in 1, although 2 did improve it some. All was undone by 3 however, which had boring guns that handled poorly with a 2 weapon limit.
In my 29 years of gaming I had never felt more engaged by a story and a setting. This game changed my expectations permanently. I have never been so immersed in a gaming experience.
>>343825521
buzzword buzzword again. Fuck off you faggot.
>>343825335
No, YOU fuck off. Idiots like you spewing your cancerous, shit-tier opinions without a single fucking thought in your tiny head is how we ended up with the goddamn DISASTER that is the HD collection in the first place.
How about you get some fucking taste?
It was an extremely captivating gaming experience. The gameplay is good, the story is wonderfully told and the world is worth the purchase alone. In a market saturated by "HOORA AMERICA"shooters (Battlefield, Call of Duty, Homefront, Medal of Honor), it's refreshing to see a game tear American Exceptionalism apart. While the gameplay is pretty solid, the real stars are the story and the world. The developers took a lot of big risks in this game, with a lot of decisions that could have easily backfired and ruined the whole experience. The fact that everything works so well together is remarkable in its own right. I think calling it "The greatest game of all time" like some other reviewers are is kind of a stretch, but certainly I don't think anything else coming out this year will even approach the quality of Bioshock Infinite. If you liked the first Bioshock, you probably already have this game, but if you don't you owe it to yourself to get this. If you felt that the gameplay was dull in the original Bioshock or that that lack of subtlety in dealing with broader philosophical and political concepts was problematic, you're going to find the same issues here. However, I absolutely loved the experience.
>>343825114
There's somebody on this earth who will defend this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXuydkusTNA
Point at him and laugh.
>>343822731
Jesus Christ this post was even cringier than the one you tried to insult
>>343825526
Sure complex levels can be cool but all it was was dead ends with extra loot and a couple backtracking areas. People acting like part 1 was deus ex choose everything you want to do when it was just optional loot farm.
>>343825707
Where did you copy that from?
>>343825789
I agree, games should just be arcade shooters that move you forward automatically while you shoot things. Everything else is a distraction, and mostly just optional loot or backtracking. All that gets in the way of what is important: The story and cutscenes.
>>343823121
Underrated post
>>343825707
Is this copypasta? Go back to SA.
>>343825671
You need to step out of this place from time to time. Everyone loved this game. It was one of the best of 2013 and best of the gen. Just look at the steam reviews >>343823831 There are few games with overwhelmingly positive ratings.
>>343825526
I wish people would stop presenting a reduction in complexity as an objective measure of a loss of intrinisic value.
Value is inherently subjective. I don't hold a personal preference for complex and intricate environments like those in Sys Shock 2 - the warehouse section in that game was quite large, but boring and confusing as fuck.
>>343825992
Ya fucking farming a few medkits and ammo is the pinnacle of gaming, what could i be thinking
>>343822629
Because /v/ tends to like the shittier entry in a franchise (i.e. Fallout New Vegas)
>>343821330
>Your just as bad as them!
Calling a shit game shit is not the same as calling a shit game good.
>>343825992
>being so shook that you need to strawman the fuck out of a totally reasonable
lmao step it up tbqh Senpai
>>343825207
>What makes gunplay in 1 and 2 any way better?
multiple ammos for different enemy types
you can hold more than two weapons at once
some weapons even allowed you to make traps
you could even make makeshift projectile bombs with a jedi plasmid and an object with land mines
enemies had more variety in behavior
Absolutly outstanding game, this is a new benchmark for game developers to strive for... have no hesitation if you are considering wether or not to buy this game... this is pure art expressed masterfully
>>343826089
I know. Everyone not from this dumb anime board knows Fallout BoS is the best entry in the series, only recently rivaled by Fallout 4!
>>343826035
everyone also loved the star wars prequels when they came out and they changed their opinions over time
>>343822878
Thanks for posting this anon, I love this guy. spot on critique
>>343826134
So you're going to say all of those user reviews were paid for?
Why are you so hellbent on assuming YOU'RE right? Your OPINION is fact?
>>343826252
you look familiar. have I seen you somewhere before?
>>343825740
Downpour has better "acting" than Silent Hill 2, but Silent Hill 2 has better voice acting.
>>343826387
Feels = Reelz
>>343826294
No they didn't.
>>343826185
>Shitposting rather than responding.
>>343826087
I'm dead serious. I'm tired of all the walking around that games make you do. If games are going to grow as an artform, they need to focus on what makes them special and that's the cutscenes and storytelling. If you give the "player" too much freedom you risk them misunderstanding the message or experiencing it in a way that deviates from what we design. The best thing to do here is to remove these superfluous elements entirely. As an added bonus this saves time so the developer can focus more on the cutscenes that bring the game to life.
>>343826505
Yes they did.
If you hated everything about the original BioShock, don't bother with this game, it's very similar in many ways. However, once you get that out of the way, it's a much better version of it than the previous two. For example, while combat is still the same setup (replace plasmid with vigor) and enemies still can feel a little bullet-spongy (I recommend turning off health meters in the options menu, as well as most other HUD notifications), most encounters take place in these big open areas that are also densely packed with cool tactical options. The result is some thrilling and crazy combat moments that in most games would be heavily scripted. No more "electrocute-wrench" through the whole game. Graphically, you can sometimes see some flat textures up close reminding you that this is a game that has been worked on for 6 years, but on the whole it is quite gorgeous. Nice to play an FPS that doesn't look like a brown and grey modern military shooter or a future space war that might as well be a military shooter for how it looks.
On that note, this game has the best storytelling since Half-Life 2. No sitting through pre-rendered cutscenes full of people spewing exposition at you. Just exploring the environment explains what's going on in the world and hints at some weird stuff behind the surface. This game also deals with racism and religious fundamentalism in a far less heavy handed manner than you would expect. Nice to play a game that doesn't treat you like a moron who can't follow a simple story.
So in summary: Yes, if you go into this game expecting it to be the industry-changing miracle some people are making it out to be, you will be let down. But if you go in expecting an FPS that is far more immersive, original and entertaining than 95% of what you've played in the last few years, you'll get it. Hell, it's basically a 10-hour escort mission with a character you still care about by the end and never get annoyed with. That alone deserves some kudos.
>>343826387
>Eat shit
>millions of flies can't be wrong!
>>343826487
Are you trying to say it's the best swimmer in the kiddy pool? Who cares?
>>343826537
fuck off, "freedom" give me a break. You call choosing corridor A or B freedom even though 1 is a dead end.
>>343826558
Proof. Quantifiable proof that the MAJORITY of people liked phantom menace when it came out and thought it was incredible.
>>343826537
I'm dead serious
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>343826615
>a character you still care about by the end and never get annoyed with
Fuck that. Elizabeth was an annoying cunt that got worse as time went on. Harping at you, threatening you with the tornado, everything to do with the songbird. I absolutely hated that shit.
>>343820450
Its a pretty average game. Which means that /v/ will shit on it and call it the worst game ever made.
Best game for last 5 years. Good Music, good and beauty graphics, perfect gameplay and amazing story with best ending i've seen ever! 10/10. And i think, I found my love. Elizabeth
>>343826759
Besides the critic reviews that praised it as the second coming of Christ?
>>343826698
No you piece of shit you shouldn't even have the second corridor. I'm serious here. By removing the ability to move your character it ensures that the player looks where the developer wants them to look and experiences what the developer wants them to see and hears what they want them to hear. We can ensure the player feels and experiences the story as it is intended without any delay or confusion or distraction.
While this game is short, I feel that if it was longer it would have detracted from the experience. If you do not play this game, then at least watch a friend play it. This is an amazing game beyond what I expected from any game in 2013. The only problem I see is that games now have to live up to this standard.
>>343826967
No wonder you have such shit opinions when you cant help but talk like a faggot
>>343826967
Why is this faggot talking about movies? >>>/tv/
>>343826961
You're not showing any proof. I don't see any links, any graphs, any statistics, any articles, any pictures, any newspapers. Just your anecdotal
>>343827149
http://www.starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-phantom-menace-original-reviews
Here are 3 of them, underage.
>>343827113
Have you even beat the game on 1999?
>>343827310
No, I quit halfway through because I hated the fucking game.
>>343827250
3 is not everyone. Phantom Menace never had universal acclaim.
>>343827439
How many do you need?
>>343824881
>>343824731
>the ghost fight
Someone looked at this during the production of the game and said "Hey, this is fine, put it into the game".
Someone designed this during production and said "I think this is a good fight and interesting enemy"
Someone playtested this and said "Yeah, I don't have any issues with this"
Someone reviewed this and said "What a great fight! It completely fits the tone of the rest of the game and isn't retarded or fucking tedious as hell"
>>343826861
Gameplay-wise it's just mediocre.
The issue here is that it is a step back in every way from the previous games in the series as far as gameplay goes. Thus it gets judged much more harshly since it could have been good in that department. Even if it made no changes at all instead of correcting existing weak points it would have been better than what it ended up with. That moves it from mediocre to bad, similar to Fallout 4.
What makes it terrible though is how fucking stupid and annoying the writing is. It is so incredibly stuck up its own ass and beats you over the head with everything without a hint of subtly, insight or self-awareness.
A bad game is one thing but a bad game that thinks it is the second coming of christ and goes out of its way to be as insulting as possible is going to be hated.
>>343820450
Gameplay was shit, story was utter garbage. Only good thing about this game was the visuals. That's about it.
>>343827647
>Someone reviewed this and said "What a great fight! It completely fits the tone of the rest of the game and isn't retarded or fucking tedious as hell"
>AND WHAT IF WE DO IT 2 MORE TIMES IN A ROW?
I just stood out of its AI area and sniped it to be honest. Bad fight, broken fight, bad game.
>>343827570
At least 50. 3 is not "acclaim" or even anything close to a consensus.
>>343823137
practically every social issue they try and bring up.
racism to name one of the many.
>>343827759
>counted 213
how many are from 1999?
This is more than just a great game, it is a great work of art. The game is executed in a way that only can be done through video games. If this were a movie it wouldn't work. This is the game that may bring respect to videogames as an art form.
>>343827759
>Reviews from 2015 when it is already established people turned on it
I had doubts before preordering the game, but I gave it a shot, since I loved the bioshock games from the past, and I always liked the atmosphere which is unique to this game, no game has this kind of graphics, and sounds, and environment.
The gameplay, as always, fun to play, and not to easy, but possible, (not like those games that you die a thousand times to move on).
In addition to that, you have a unique companion, that aids you in many ways, Elizabeth will through you a coin she found, or a shotgun when you are out of ammo, also, her character is something I never saw, she moves along with you, not after you, she interacts with the world, like it was real, she would tell you her opinion or just go around and look.
If you love singleplayer games, and are looking for something fresh that no other game can offer, give this a shot, you won't be disappointed.
>>343820450
>It's gaming's loftiest and most spectacular folly
This is not even remotely true, it sold tons of copies and got a bunch of GOTY noms
there have been much higher profile crash'n'burns in gaming, Infinite was literally nothing.
>>343827759
notice how most of the negative reviews came out after the movies had already been released
>>343827431
You are a wise man.
>>343825280
My friend said something pretty similar to this and I swear to this day his taste in fucking everything is god awful.
I would of picked up the sarcasm if this wasn't what the average idiot said about infinite.
>>343827720
>Only good thing about this game was the visuals
I respectfully disagree.
>>343820889
>Fucking hell
Why are you mad about being in disagreement with brainless cocksuckers?
>>343828114
I never understood why so many people praised the art direction to the game.
>>343828096
>OH NOOOO MY FRIEND DOESN'T PLAY WEEBSHIT OR PIXELSHIT PLATFORMERS
>HIS TASTE IS SHIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>343826615
>I recommend turning off health meters in the options menu, as well as most other HUD notifications
Why do people think turning off the HUD makes it a better game?
>>343827647
For the gameplay on 1999 mode everything up until that point I felt like I was forcing myself to continue playing. It got to the point where I was just abusing that invincibility exploit from the rails because of how shit it was dealing with the enemies. When I finally got to that I just outright quit because of how terrible it was. Granted, it's been so long that I don't know specifically what was wrong but I think I remember that dumb bitch being invulnerable and one-shotting you constantly. Actually her second phase was when I ALT + F4'd and uninstalled.
It's funny, only Bioshock Infinite and Fallout 4 have ever made me feel bad that I got them for free, because of how bad they were.
Every once in a while a game comes out that blows your socks off. This game goes above in beyond in all areas. Superior story telling, combat, atmosphere, music. You feel immersed in the world and unable to quit playing. The details in the areas show the care given by the development team. This game was not rushed and will serve as proof to what games can accomplish. This game accomplishes what Half-Life did for its time period. I think Ken Levine said it best when referred to games as a better medium than movies and books because you pilot them. You get to participate and experience them. This is nothing short of a masterpiece and should be purchased by everyone.
>>343828347
If his friend liked Bioshock infinite then thee is strong evidence they have shit taste.
>>343828543
did you copypaste this from steam or metacritic?
Never played it, honestly got my fill of this series after the first 2 games. From what I gather though it's not particularly good outside of being the vidya equivalent of Oscar bait.
Bioshock infinite is very beautiful. The gameplay is smooth and fun, the atmosphere is so detailed, and the theme is mature. Alot of effort has been put into this game and it shows. Easily deserves its critical acclaim.
If it was possible to give a game an 11/10 then this would be it. Unlike Bioshock 2 this game is extremely original. It's also made by the same team who made the original Bioshock (aka highest rated FPS of all time). The game is polished, emotional, engaging and just breath taking. Just walking around the environments feels nice. Not only is this game of the year material, but it's also literally the best video game I've played in the past 5 years.
>>343828096
Looks like his cum had a bad taste too, because you are so fucking bitter m8
>>343828347
>implying im a weeb
(You)
>>343820450
The story is retarded, the gameplay is worse than a shooter from 2007, and even on 1999 Mode the game is piss easy because Elizabeth just throws you whatever you need and there's no incentive to protect her. Worst of all, the entire game was a complete rewrite months from launch because Levine is a hack. They didn't even change the massive build up to the fight with Songbird and just left you with a five second "he's an ally now" writing.
I've never seen a bigger example of "journalists" being complete morons and just an arm of the devs PR.
>>343828582
But you see, Infinite's not a bad game.
>>343820889
> Was it a bad game? No
Yes it fucking was.
I would love to know what fucking genius decided on the two weapon system in a game where you upgrade weapons and have incredibly limited ammo. I would love to know what fucking genius decided on randomized loot so you couldn't plan out different builds. I would love to know what fucking genius decided anything about Finkton made sense.
I bought Bioshock Infinite for full price because I loved Bioshock 1 and 2, and I adored System Shock 2. Infinite was a bad fucking game.
For fucks sakes, how could anyone fight that goddamn ghost three times and go HMMM YEAH 10/10 NO FLAWS?
I rank this game up with half life standards, from beginning to end it is phenomenal, elizabeth is not only a extremely loveable character but also the best sidekick that ive had in a long time, AI is amazing! I dont want to spoil anything or give any hints, just get the game, believe me. There is nothing left but a ten...
Only the ending is good and it falls apart once you think about it logically.
>>343824109
Really? I thought it pulled in mad casual dosh.
>>343828868
I agree, bad doesn't go far enough.
>>343826035
DK64 was beloved when it first came out, had an 90 on MC and everything.
Now it's considered an overly bloated collectathon mess and one of Rare's weakest works.
>>343824663
>>343822086
What, specifically, are people upset about with FO4? I never played it because it looks like the same damn game I've played a million times already. Are people finally starting to realize this?
>>343826135
Calling a game dogshit before you play it is just as retarded as calling it GOAT before you play it.
>>343829000
It did but it couldn't outpace its insane marketing budget.
>>343829000
Which shows just how amazingly Levine fucked everything up. The game was massively expensive and everyone got fired.
>>343829002
Oh and guess what, you can do this with Half Life and Soul Reaver as well! Not Shrek but swap other stories! Congratulations! You found out there are no original stories
>>343827956
It sold boatloads but still not enough to keep Irrational from going under. That's pretty fucking bad.
>>343828878
>I bought Bioshock Infinite for full price because I loved Bioshock 1 and 2, and I adored System Shock 2. Infinite was a bad fucking game.
Anon, I am so sorry for your loss.
I pirated it and I still felt ripped off. I can't even begin to imagine how terrible it was for you.
>>343822441
I'm right with you. TLoU knew exactly what story it wanted to tell, and told it succinctly and with tact. Infinite tried to make up for its lack of character with all that metaphysical BS and fell flat on its face.
>>343829093
That's pretty much it actually yes.
>>343829246
Bioshock Infinite is shit and it isn't because it is unoriginal.
I don't wanna be that guy, but if Matthewmatosis never made that video and btfo of every journalist, this article would never have been written. He would still be sucking it's dick.
>>343820450
Oh fucking irony to the max
You cant fucking review a game and say its the greatest thing ever then retract it and rereview it later. Fucking cowards making shitty clickbait when it suits them after getting all the perks of sucking the developers dick at release.
>>343829215
>Elizabeth has giant doe eyes and piranha plant lips
>citizens all have proportional faces
>>343829579
You really think a random guy with like 40,000 subscribers really fucking matters in the grand scheme of things?
The guy is a literal who. His opinion doesn't fucking matter. He's not some god.
>>343829690
Oldest trick in the book, anon. Disney has been doing it for 80+ years.
>>343829423
Hey, it could have been worse. I could have been a retard and bought the season pass. I remember distinctly that the schmuck from Gamestop tried to get me to sign up, telling me that it would add in coop. Apparently Blunder at Seat was a fucking piece of garbage that was only praised for ditching the two weapon limit.
Speaking of pieces of garbage, is there even a Bioshock General thread on /vg/ anymore? Holy shit, that place was pathetic.
>>343829770
That video got 400,000 views and he basically quoted it in the article. Yes, it mattered.
>>343829579
Not true, his video barely has over 400,000 views.
Good video but not an important one.
>>343820450
Why do gaming journos matter?
I thought it was great, my friends thought it was great. I replay it every now and then. Still holds up.
>this thread
>>343820450
It was one of those games where you can notice just how fucked development was. For example there is a mechanic involving keys at the beginning of the first act, to open a chest, this is literally never brought up again.
Initially Booker and Elizabeth wre a simple rip off of the couple from the Conjuring, Brawl and Super Natural, you can see this in early footage, as time went on Levine changed direction every couple of months, the entire bioshock team was sick and tired of Levine schizophrenia.
http://gamerant.com/bioshock-infinite-development-epic-games-rod-fergusson/
There are two other complimentary articles at gamasutra and polygon retelling how the original bioshock team started to leave irrational one guy at the time.
>>343829690
Could be worse, you could try throwing a cartoon character into a same game with uncanny realistic looking humans.
>>343830065
jesus christ
Nobody defending this game can defend this image
>>343829975
So? I just checked and it only has 12,000 likes and 2,000 dislikes. The video gets reposted and circlejerked a lot here too, so I suspect only around 20,000 UNIQUE people have seen it.
A literal who
>>343830137
Remember how Vigors had no point in the plot and made zero sense in the society of the game, and you only ever fought like two enemy types that used them?
>>343829579
He's not the only Youtube critic who shat all over Bioshock Infinite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ2cSKBFBDQ
>>343830327
>400k views
>Only 20k unique ones because these 20k people have re-watched it over 20 times each
Jesus christ, even after all these years I'm still amazed by the stupidity that posters here can display.
>>343830357
Yeah and who the fuck is this? Another literal who. What makes his opinion fact? Funhaus loved it still and replay it all the time like everyone else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSw0ijsHFf8
>BioShock Infinite is a game that wants to have its cake and eat it, and rather than accept its limitations, rips a hole in the fabric of reality to do so. It's gaming's loftiest and most spectacular folly, a monument to the mad extremes this industry will sometimes go to in search of a better version of an idea already explored to exhaustion.
Is it just me or is this all just incoherent rambling from someone who sounds like they're trying real hard to look clever? I doesn't actually say anything about them game. Those are the most masturbatory 2 sentences I've ever seen.
>>343830357
>praising that shitty scene of Elizabeth playing a song for the kid in the basement
Holy shit, this guy is retarded.
The only things I can distinctly remember about Infinite are the Todd Howard levels of bullshit the devs spewed about 1999 mode and that it didn't even have a final boss.
>>343830560
>32,403 views
Talk about a literal who.
>spend entire game portraying the upper classes of Columbia as vicious racists and slavedrivers
>try to equivocate and pretend that the Vox Populi are just as bad
>>343829246
But you never saved alex in HL2 and she wasn't trapped in any tower.
>>343830307
I realised it had plot holes, but not this fucking many. Especially asking why the twins stole Booker's daughter and gave it to the alternate timeline booker
>>343830598
Yeah, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Eurogamer have been doing a lot of clickbait lately. They even did an article saying Uncharted 4 was a walking sim even though you can clearly die in the game. I think they're just regurgitating /v/ opinions or something and have somebody on staff that actually takes what's posted here seriously.
>>343830945
they were
>>343830838
video was posted like a month ago on his personal channel compared to funhaus main channel with a million subscribers.
That matthew guy's video is over 3 years old and he only has 100,000 subscribers
>>343820541
this. its okay. it sucks compared to previous -shock games though.
>>343830065
>>343830307
>>343830992
>judging a story by how many plotholes it has
plebs
>>343830992
Also, the first preview where Elizabeth was ugly but the grappling hooks were actually used as an escape were genius. You could've actually traveled the world with them
>>343825239
everytime I read something this cunt writes I facepalm instantly. seriously how the fuck are these people paid to give the most retarded opinions and then it's gobbled up by normies? holy fucking shit I'm mad.
>>343831324
>its okay
It really isn't. Time is way too valuable to be wasted on a FPS campaign where everything is mediocre at best (and very few elements of gameplay in Infinite hit mediocre).
>>343831341
3/3 of my Infinite dump, and I know some of these are cherrypicked to show it at its worst but it's pretty indefensible. Mechanics like lockpicking and hacking were literally turned into a "press X to win" by commanding Elizabeth to do everything for you.
>>343829579
I always hated Bioshock Infinite. The plot was literally garbage, and not just garbage in that it was bad, garbage in that it retroactively ruined the other Bioshock games by making them part of a retarded multiple-universe plot whose very existence was a contrived excuse for them to keep making shitty Bioshock games with the same fucking premise over and over.
>>343829095
Evidence showed it'd be shit.
It was.
I played it, it was boring and also shit.
Never fight songbird, the ghost crap was retarded, the only amusement was the throwback racism because someone has to draw it and they were most likely triggered.
It's not a masterpiece from a gameplay perspective but I still think the whole time travelling / parallel universe/ alternate realities plot was fantastically well done, and the big reveal at the end *was* masterful. It blew me away when I first experienced it, and had me thinking about it and turning it over in my mind for weeks afterwards. Hardly any other game has done that, and only a handful of special films, so for me, giving me that memorable experience outweighs any of the failings elsewhere.
>>343830271
I still can't believe this got made.
1 day ago
Even at the time I knew there would eventually be a bit of a backlash against Infinite, it always occurred to me that people were praising the wrong things about the game. Nevertheless it remains a game I'll always defend a little because despite not being the game people thought it was, or as an actual game as good as something like Half-Life 2 (easily top 3 favourite all time game for me), it remains an exceptional experience for the people for whom it resonates with.
>>343831935
>It's not a masterpiece from a gameplay perspective but I still think the whole time travelling / parallel universe/ alternate realities plot was fantastically well done, and the big reveal at the end *was* masterful
How did you feel about the DLC completely retconning the ending and revealing it was a massive waste of time?
Absolutely not disagreeing with anything in this analysis as I don't really look for anything especially deep in my games but I will say I enjoyed it from a gameplay perspective and it was pretty fantastic from an aesthetic point of view. Anything that reminds me of Laputa or Steel Empire can't be all bad.
>>343828096
He's probably not a virgin though
I got this game and the DLC during the Steam sale because I had gift card money to spend. Did I actually fuck up? My expectations aren't very high, and I'm aware that the story isn't worth all the praise it got, but I figured it would at least be a decent single-player shooter.
I skipped some other games I thought I was going to buy, because they weren't as cheap as they were last summer... but BioShock Infinite never seems to go below $7.49 no matter how long I wait, and I didn't want to wait any more.
>>343832217
It's debatable and controversial, but you don't have to think of it as canon. After all, it is DLC and an afterthought. I think the premise and universe of Infinite allows for interpretation more than concrete plot succession.
>>343832282
He's a kisless virgin who's favorite game is KH. I love the guy he's my best pal, but honestly he way too passive and carefree.
>>343832431
Booker is Comstock, enjoy
>>343832516
So what the fuck is the point of a story-focused series where you just go "LOL ITS NOT CANON?"
Calling it an afterthought is pretty lame since the game shipped with a fucking season pass.
> I think the premise and universe of Infinite allows for interpretation more than concrete plot succession.
Oh please, don't tell me you praised the choices all being meaningless as a deep design decision too.
>>343832431
I pirated it and still feel like I paid too much. I think you made a mistake.
>>343832431
I hope you got the 3 pack. No idea what it was this sale but all three BioShock games have frequently been available for $10. Make sure you play 2, it has the best gameplay in the series by a wide margin.
>>343833038
2 is generic and unbalanced as fuck.
>>343833038
>Make sure you play 2, it has the best gameplay in the series by a wide margin.
Absolutely correct.
>>343832775
>Booker is Comstock, enjoy
I know that spoiler. I don't really care about the story, as I've already said I know it's not very good. So basically you didn't ruin anything. You just failed to answer my question.
Once you get past the fact that the story is just a video-game-tier story and that normies were stupid as fuck for treating it like Shakespeare, is the game actually fun to play?
>>343830307
It doesn't even go into detail about how the gameplay itself feels trivial and simple. Doom has more complex enemy-player interactions. The guns are uninspired and the upgrade mechanic is dull and pointlessly mandatory since enemies get more hp later on anyway, all the tonics outside of a couple are redundant as hell, and Elizabeth adds nothing to the gameplay other than a resource vending machine. I'm sure there's more but I only played it through once at release.
>>343833113
Imbalance doesn't exist in a single player game
>>343833113
It wasn't generic. It was a bit unbalanced with some of the builds you can set up, but that's not a real problem since trying to set up fun combos and abilities is great in games.
>>343831935
>It's not a masterpiece from a gameplay perspective but I still think the whole time travelling / parallel universe/ alternate realities plot was fantastically well done, and the big reveal at the end *was* masterful.
How? The game didn't take advantage of any of these themes and concepts. It doesn't even make sense and it was retconned anyways. I want you to think about yourself for a moment. If you had access to infinite universes, that would alter your perception of everything, especially if you could jump and live in those other worlds. To any normal person, this would cause extreme feelings of insignificance, yet hardly anything is explored about these themes. Booker and Slut just jump universes when it's convenient to jump over obstacles and don't really talk about it. The only exploration of themes regarding character reactions to the possibility of alternate universes comes at the very end and that doesn't even have any impact. It's drama for the sake of drama. Also alternate universes are time travel now for some reason. This shit was written by a hack and it was only made for the sake of "looking cool".
>>343833151
>is the game actually fun to play?
I don't think so. It is bland most of the time with some really stupid design choices like the 2 weapon limit. The shooting is boring when it isn't annoying.
>>343830598
It's says the game takes itself too seriously and it's been done before
>>343821330
Because /v/ is poor.
>>343831205
>System Shock 2
>No machine gun
The Assault Rifle could be fired full-Auto, it was just a bad idea to do so.
>>343833151
>Once you get past the fact that the story is just a video-game-tier story and that normies were stupid as fuck for treating it like Shakespeare, is the game actually fun to play?
No. You fucked up, and you'll realize right away that you're in a linear shooter with atrocious design decisions. Everything in the game is experienced by Hall of Heroes (about an hour in, maybe?) and after that you're retreading the same shit endlessly.
>>343833236
>It wasn't generic
It was literally 1 DLC. The game was fucking awful.
>>343833592
But /v/ is also a pirate so they get to play the game anyway.
>>343833113
2 is the best game in the Bioshock series.
You fucks should go replay Bioshock 1 sometime, it fucking falls apart in the last third of the game.
>>343833151
>Once you get past the fact that the story is just a video-game-tier story and that normies were stupid as fuck for treating it like Shakespeare
You have no idea what you're talking about. Leave and never come back.
>>343828878
THIS
FUCK
IM IN THE SAME BOAT AS YOU
I FUCKING LOVED SS AND BS
THIS GAME WAS A PIECE OF SHIT
>>343833775
Stop being contrarian for fuck's sake. Everyone hated 2 when it came out. I remember.
>>343833038
Actually, I got this: http://store.steampowered.com/sub/40402/
I wanted the DLC and this seemed like the cheapest way to get it.
I didn't buy the triple pack for two reasons:
1) Although it seems the pack is set up to deduct the cost of games you already own, I would have been forced to pay for the original BioShock again, because the copy I own is not a Steam copy. This means the triple pack would not have made Infinite any cheaper.
2) The triple pack does not have any of the BioShock Infinite DLC.
the only reason this game did so well because it was marketed to kissless virgins who wanted to buy the game so they could fantasize over a NPC made of pixels
>>343833837
That's a pretty accurate description of what it is and what happened, though.
>>343833113
Does it suck having taste this shitty? BioShock 2 actually has weapon and enemy variety, something other games sorely lack. As >>343833775 said the first game is clunky as shit and a third longer than it needed to be.
>>343831363
>The story doesn't make any sense
>P-Pleb
>>343833973
elizabeth was literally babby's first waifu and it worked
>>343833951
>Everyone hated 2 when it came out. I remember.
Everyone loved Infinite on release, too. Quality is not determined by popularity.
>>343833837
t. Ken Levine
>>343833951
>Stop having a different opinion >:(
What the fuck is wrong with you? What part of discussion you don't understand?
>>343833874
What part of the weapon upgrade system made any fucking sense? When I took an enemy's gun, why would it have the same upgrades that I had put into it?
There was zero time put into the logic of this game, it was just endless setpieces and "experiences".
>>343833951
>/v/ is one person
You're a fucking retard.
Its also hilarious how Infinite's story about a father and his daughter is a shitty rehash of 2's story.
>>343820450
isn't that word for word what that potato nigger said?
Yahtzee liked it, so no, it's not shit. I still replay it every few months. Really cool game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rciyCHa6J4o
>>343821167
>>343821330
This place was hyping it as well. I remember finishing that awful game, and coming here, for the first time with the desire to trash talk it just to found out everyone except me and some others, were praising it. Fucking idiots
>>343834223
My favorite part was that sweet Songbird boss battle.
>>343833440
>>343833632
Thanks. I might just go ahead and refund it, then.
Am I the only person who liked the gameplay somewhat but hated the story? I don't play a lot of shooters, but I liked the shyhook idea and found the art style made shooting stuff feel kind of good.
>>343828878
I made the terrible mistake of playing infinite on hard
that ghost fight was GARBAGE
I spent the majority of that fight running around looking for ammo because the boss was a bullet sponge
I think it's possible to make the fight unwinnable by fucking up too many times and wasting all your ammo
fuck that boss fight
>>343834336
Go ahead and give yourself a slap on the face for failing to look into a game before buying it too, you massive piece of shit.
>>343834259
are you retarded? this place gave this game shit from the beginning. only neckbeards were praising Elizabeth in hopes she'd take their virginity
>>343833775
>it fucking falls apart in the last third of the game.
Everyone knows that.
The best thing to do is quit at the climax, where you meet andrew ryan.
You are right about 2 being the best in the series though. It has so many great things about it. The Guns are better, the plasmids are better, everything is lovely.
>Pistol? Pistols are boring, RIVET GUN!
>Crossbow? HARPOON GUN?
>Wrench? DRILLS!
And then there's the plasmids. I loved the ones that let you mess with security bots, healing them and even giving them little names. You get attached to the little fucks. The way it gives plasmids new abilities when you upgrade them instead of just making them cost more and deal more damage is great too. In Bioshock 1 you NEVER need to upgrade plasmids since the best thing about them is the secondary effects (freezing, stunning, burning, electrocuting pools etc) which they do just fine at level 1. Upgrading them just makes them less expensive making them less useful. In Bioshock 2 they get nice new abilities to go along with the upgrades, making it useful to actually do so.
I also like how it groups all your gene tonics together. Arbitrarily splitting them into 3 groups of 2-6 in Bioshock 1 led to everyone ending up upgraded in all areas and doing everything reasonably well. In Bioshock 2 since you get to fill yourself out however you want you can specialize making for some much more interesting builds and playstyles.
The Camera game is better too, and it was already good in Bioshock 1. Making it a running camera where you try to fight in different and exciting ways to get the most data really spices it up.
Maybe its because I didn't expect anything from Bioshock 2 but it ended up being really, really great.
>>343834223
feeling a light 7/10 on this bait
I liked Infinite...
For a single playthrough...
It's got a criminal lack of replay value that undermines it's upgrade system.
>>343833951
i liked it. i didnt think the plot or characters were anything special at all. fuck if i can remember any of their names or motives, but i thought the gameplay was more fun than bioshock 1 and playing as a big daddy was really cool.
Reminder: Bioshock 2 got unfairly treated because Bioshock 1 was like a shit artfag game and people were like "HOW DARE THEY MAKE A SEQUEL TO MY FAVORITE GAME(lol)!!!!"
>>343834223
Yahtzee is a comedian. Very hard to take him seriously when he doesn't show any footage or gameplay and fills his reviews with jokes.
>>343834336
It has "overwhelming positive" on steam and 89 from user on metacritic. Who are you going trust? Them or /v/? /v/'s favorite series is Hyperdimension Neptunia. Don't fucking listen to anyone here or take anything here seriously. This whole thread has been ironic shitposting.
>>343834423
Why? I knew when I bought it that Steam has a two-week automatic refund window. I consciously decided to take advantage of this because I was trying to decide whether to buy the game on the last night of the sale before going to bed, and I knew I didn't have time to research it before buying. Now I've looked into it, and I have the option of not keeping the game. There's no reason to be mad about any of this.
>>343834082
/v/ ironically breeding vidya cancer
>>343834593
>Yahtzee is a comedian
And what is /v/? Dumb teenagers acting ironic?
>>343834637
Weak bait, son.
>>343820450
>re-review
who does this?
>>343822530
Nah.
>>343834591
This. Bioshock 2 SEEMED like a cash grab, but ended up being a better game than the original.
>>343834593
I've just learned to accept he likes those shitty metagames like Spec Ops, Bioshock Infinite and Undertail and I just don't like them. He always makes them his Game of the Year. I suppose when you need to play games you don't like as your job once a week it could taint your viewpoints though.
Spec Ops probably was doing it the best of the 3 but then I quit playing it part way through people I don't really care for cover based shooters.
>>343834451
>Pistol? Pistols are boring, RIVET GUN!
>Crossbow? HARPOON GUN?
>Wrench? DRILLS!
This. It takes the usual FPS weapon roster and makes each role feel unique and wonderful, and in orverall it is simply a game that does what every sequel should do, build upon the first game. And while Sophia Lamb was by no means as compelling a character as Andrew Ryan, Eleanor Lamb was everything Elizabeth should've been from the whole "Find the Girl" angle.
>>343834645
I'm not mad, I just think you're a stupid unlikeble fuck. No need to reply to me further, you're welcome for my help.
>>343834591
It's amazing the BSI basically ripped off the plot of BS2 and got praised for it.
>Go save your daughterfu from her evil parent
>>343834792
You can't dismiss everything you disagree with as bait. You know this place is shit with terrible opinions.
>>343834768
What is a /v/?
A miserable little pile of shitpost.
>>343834405
I did the same thing. The game was either boring on normal, or frustrating at times on hard, so I went with hard. Whoever okayed that fight THREE TIMES should be fired.
>>343822530
Kill yourself
ITT: butthurt goobers get BTFO by the plot of Infinite
>>343822878
I loved Bioshock 1 hacking...
>>343835080
oh you like 2deep4u cinematic shit as well? XD
>>343833951
I only remember seeing people say that 2's story and characters weren't as good as 1. Aside from that, with the gameplay it's practically the same game, so I never saw anyone say it was bad.
>>343828878
What was so good about the other 2 bioshocks? The first one was just as much a twist ending as infinite
>oh my god the good guy was the bad guy all along
I'm in the middle of the second bioshock so I don't completely know the story yet but so far it's not god tier, good gameplay though.
The only bad thing about infinite I found was that the story dragged on until the end when everything sped up a bit.
Not trying to defend infinite but I honestly don't know why it's below the 2 games before it and why the twist ending is considered shit when the first one was almost the same thing
>>343834645
I feel a bit bad for talking you out of a game you were looking forward to but I can not in good faith say anything positive about infinite. Like I said, I pirated it and still feel like I paid too much.
If you really want to try it then pirate it and give it a whirl but I really, really don't recommend it.
>>343823831
>>343826035
How ass blasted are you? Infinite has been shitted on pretty frequently, even outside of /v/.
>>343835152
I thought it was nice too, a step up from System Shock hacking in most ways.
I normally don't care for "minigames" for things like lockpicking but Bioshock 1 balanced it pretty well.
I do think Bioshock 2 did it better, since it doesn't pause the game when you're doing the minigame it does. Makes the game more fluid and exciting and hacking more of a tactical choice, while also a bit trickier.
>>343834967
I always feel like most people on a forum are fluffing up their posts and putting on an air of civility, they're not gonna say what they really think or how they actually think it. Put up this big paragraph and be polite when really all you wanna say is "game sucks dick mate, it's fuckin trash cuz of X and Y"
>>343835232
Infinite's story was really bad and poorly thought out.
But even if you completely ignore that, the gameplay was mediocre on its own and bad compared to its predecessors. It was just a huge step back.
>>343835232
The level design
The enemies
The plasmids
The freedom of how you wanted to play
Rapture was also way more interesting than Columbia.
>>343826387
They're just the opinions of people that have limited fps experience and bought into the hype and played a mediocre shooter and thought it was amazing.
>>343834940
Unlikable? You're the one who goes around calling people "massive piece of shit" for no good reason.
But yeah I'm sure you're super popular. Enjoy all those friends you totally have.
>>343835282
Nah, it's cool.
I probably wouldn't have considered it except that people kept giving me Steam gift cards and I literally don't know what to spend this shit on because it seems I already have all the good games that ever go below $5.
I could buy a $60 game at full price and be done with it, but I don't really want to do that.
>>343835232
>The only bad thing about infinite I found was that the story dragged on until the end when everything sped up a bit.
Yeah man there was nothing wrong with the Lady Comstock boss battle, and the two weapon system combined with an upgrade system was fantastic.
>>343835783
>the two weapon system combined with an upgrade system was fantastic.
What the fuck were they thinking? Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking?
>>343835232
At least Bioshock ending makes sense.
>>343835763
>Unlikable? You're the one who goes around calling people "massive piece of shit" for no good reason.
I had plenty of reasons. You're you. That's a great reason right there.
Nice try getting the last word, though
>>343835948
>We want the Call of Duty audience
>>343822441
That's because Infinite ruined/scrapped all the things it promised while TLOU, while being pretty boring and repetitive at parts, actually did the story it wanted to in the first place.
>>343822878
My only problem with this is that he keeps trying to shit on the original Bioshock and insisting his shitty old obscure ayy lmao game was better, but he is forgetting that the reason Bioshock was so beloved was the atmosphere and setting on TOP of everything else.
Bioshock and Bioshock 2 were fantastic.
His criticisms of Infinite are pretty accurate though.
>>343834451
>The way it gives plasmids new abilities when you upgrade them instead of just making them cost more and deal more damage is great too.
It even made some of the less useful plasmids useful or more fun.
Decoy for instance letting you damage enemies by reflecting the attacks back on them, or even healing yourself for the damage they deal to themselves at max level.
The one where you can astral project is great too. Combine it with the tonic that lets you restore even when you're in water and you're good to go. Stand by a leaky toilet by a bathroom, astral project and travel around the level blasting everyone with lightning or fire!
I'd like the upgrade system more if the game had some form of New Game+
But it doesn't.
>>343835783
I literally would have never over thought about things like this until I saw this thread and now that I think about it I really never did use any of the powers except for the gravity one and the fire balls. The lady Comstock battle isn't as bad as people say it is, they're acting as if bullet sponges aren't in any other game. Also, when you run out of ammo, the thing that first comes to mind is to melee the ghosts she spawns and they'll drop ammo.
Either way, no hard feelings, I'm not that big a fan of the bioshock series anyways, this is just my thoughts on this game
>>343835465
>>343835152
The best hacking system is still Deus Ex Human revolution imo. It's the only one that doesn't eventually feel like a chore by the time you get to the end of the game.
>>343836312
>Matthewmatosis
Hes horrible autistic, but I would never say hes ever truly dead wrong.
>>343836049
>replying again after pretending to leave the conversation
So you are mad.
>>343831149
So PewDiePie is the difinitive video game authoritarian?
Also the Transformers movies do super well, all of your arguments for the game being good are false arguments. If you weren't a mammoth faggot you'd actually argue against the points provided by get video and other anons.
>>343836550
>they're acting as if bullet sponges aren't in any other game
That doesn't make it better at all, also, you have to fight it 3 times in a row for some reason.
>>343836550
>The lady Comstock battle isn't as bad as people say it is, they're acting as if bullet sponges aren't in any other game
Yes it was. I pity anyone playing on hard or above, it was one of the most obnoxious bulletsponge bosses I've experienced outside of Borderlands 2. You fought it three times and it was the same every time.
>>343836590
I told you not to reply to me anymore, that didn't mean I left the thread. Why are you even here, you didn't play the game and are going to refund it. Who cares what you think?
I was excited for it during development but by the time it came out I could tell it had changed enough that it wasn't the same game anymore, and sure enough it was completely unremarkable. Glad I pirated
>>343823932
>>343824321
Back when people had fun with steam tags before tumblrfucks got mad and made valve police it all
>>343836872
>Who cares what you think?
I care what he thinks. He had more sense than I did, since I played a bad game like Infinite and he had the wisdom not to.
I'm jealous.
>>343837067
Good times.
>>343824081
>plays basically a demo's length section of a game
>thinks he's entitled to actually rate the entire game
What a faggot
>>343837375
I played the entire game, and it's shit.
He is smart for quitting while he was ahead and not throwing good time after bad.
>>343836747
No, I never said that, you overly defensive fanboy.
I said that Adam's video describing why Infinite was so great was way more valid than Matthew's rant video. Also, a lot of the OPINIONS the Matthew guy threw out can be easily refuted. The only thing he said that was objective was that the vigors were similar in function, but it's his OPINION that that was a problem.
>>343820450
Let me just throw up a few things` hya'.
>>343837090
He didn't, though, since his wisdom is essentially the wisdom of his betters (ie: you, me, everyone else in this thread since we're not him).
>>343837554
> Also, a lot of the OPINIONS the Matthew guy threw out can be easily refuted.
Such as? I'm not a Matthew fan, by the way, and I think the Infinite review is the only quality thing he has made.
>The only thing he said that was objective was that the vigors were similar in function, but it's his OPINION that that was a problem.
The two weapon system and upgrade system were objectively bad systems.
>Unfortunately, the entire enterprise is undermined by Infinite's appallingly simplistic portrayal of the rebellion that boils up beneath Finktown. Within the space of a couple of hours, we see Daisy Fitzroy go from downtrodden leader of the Vox to blood-crazed psychopath, smearing her face in the blood of the fallen Fink, and even threatening to murder a child on the grounds that he'll grow up to be another despotic aristocrat.
Hence the only non-white character Infinite lends a voice to becomes the exact kind of monstrous caricature portrayed in Comstock's House of Heroes. We also hear DeWitt repeatedly emphasise that there is no difference whatsoever between Comstock and Fitzroy, which is an astoundingly asinine assertion. Criticising a bloody uprising is fair enough, but to tar racism and revolution with the same brush and then dismiss the entire topic? That isn't just oversimplification, that's verging on cowardice.
Apparently it did not strike the writer as unrealistic that the game had fictitious floating city ruled by white with an oppressive class and race system, special drinks that give you power, half-man half-robots and mythical giant flying creatures but when his beloved socialism was taken to it's logical conclusion of destruction of the aristocracy, the killing of a child was suddenly too naive of a portrayal. On top of this, having that character be a non-white was too much for his delicate sensibilities. But nothing seemed out of place to him up until the point where he found something that went against his political beliefs.
>>343837554
Samey power ups and limited guns is an issue, they limit the gameplay in many harmful ways.
Also how am I a fanboy? I'm not endlessly defending a game that has very clear and blatant issues.
>>343838486
Its a fair point, though. There was nothing of value to be taken from Bioshock Infinite's story. What were we supposed to get, 'racism is bad'? That's pretty fucking tame considering all the praise this game got for pushing the medium forward.
>>343822530
The fights themselves hold up really well in SotC.
The rest, not so much. Fuck the horse especially.
I'll say Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was the Citizen Kane of video gaming.
Bioshock Infinite can be more like The Space Odyssey.
>>343838859
The horse controls better than any other horse in a game and it gives you multiple means to ride him.
Like, he actually has some input in where you move, which is really cool.
>>343820450
The story was fine but everything else felt subtracted from the previous titles, combat was more rigid and demanding that you only play with weapon combinations that THEY gave you. Exploration was boiled down to running back and forth down a corridor solving a "puzzle". There were no interesting combinations of tonics or the ability to use them in creative ways.
I would have rather watched Infinite then played it, I can go back to 1 and 2 and change my play styles up or do challenge runs but I cant do that with Infinite, especially when it came to the choices and it going "fuck you, none of it mattered, one ending only"
>>343839171
The horse likes to control itself too much. It was a chore to get anywhere.
>>343838809
That wasn't my point. The story did not seem out of place and superficial to him until the revolution was handled comically, in his eyes. There was nothing caricature-ish about anything else until a black person became violent. Everything else the evil whites did was of course, very believable.
>>343839371
It'd largely happen when you neared ledges, it's fine.
>>343829579
This dude is an idiot. He makes some decent points, but he also makes a handful of points that are outlandish. One huge point of contention he had was how the divergent timelines plot point makes no sense. The game explains it thoroughly by establishing the point of variables and constants, and he just rejects the game's explanation and calls it dumb.
Which isn't an argument against it not making sense. It establishes its own rules and follows them fine. Just because he doesn't like the plot mechanic doesn't make the game make no sense.
>>343839345
>The story was fine
Remember in Finkton when you have to get guns for the Vox, so you jump universes to get guns to give them?
That is not fine.
>>343839583
Constants and variables doesn't make sense and its a lazy way to handwave the story away by equating scientific terms with magic.
>>343839583
>It establishes its own rules and follows them fine.
The DLC literally retcons the ending.
>>343839770
Time travel period doesn't make sense. You can't make a story like that make scientific sense when it's literally impossible to do.
>>343839770
Nigga I'm not saying it was good but comparing it to the rest of itself it was a stronger aspect of the game and I agree, most of the dimension jumps made no damn sense or their consequences weren't fully explained.
>>343837849
>>343839939
So? Plenty of time travel narratives do exactly that.
>>343840041
Oh yeah I forgot that there has literally never been a good story about time travel.
Why the fuck did Infinite need time travel anyways?
>>343840131
>took this guy 3 years to realize what most of /v/ realized immediately after playing the game
what the fuck, how did the fact that this game is medicore as hell seem to slip by all these reviewers? were they paid?
>>343840168
I know of very few time travel narratives that are sold at $60 + season pass. I'd also argue that you could easily find several stories about time travel that end more gracefully than Infinite.
I'm stunned that years later, people are still defending Levine's poor decisions.
>>343840073
>Nigga I'm not saying it was good but comparing it to the rest of itself it was a stronger aspect of the game
That says more about the other aspects of the game than it does about the story.
Also by calling me nigga you were more daring than Infinite's story tried to be.
>>343840041
Unless everyone dies in the end, which most do or you change the rules of how the "time travel" works like 11.26.53
>>343840309
And the Pièce De Résistance.
>>343834192
the 2 weapon limit and low ammo count was one of the games biggest detriments
what the FUCK were they thinking?
>>343840542
Where am I defending his decisions? I think Infinite is overrated as hell, but to critique the game and say "the time travel in this makes no sense!" when you're purposefully casting aside the very way it tries to explain it is silly. Matthewmatosis's entire critique hinges on him just disliking 'constants and variables,' and critiquing the game as if it didn't explain its own time travel mechanics.
>>343833951
I loved 2 at release and I still play it yearly
>>343840667
>2 weapon limit
>upgrade system
>no idea if a weapon you upgraded will even show up at some parts
Ended up at the final fight with 2 of the shitty Vox weapons.
Bioshock 2 is a big long custody battle where the dad actually wins
>>343829579
>Matthewmatosis
who?
>>343840667
No it wasn't casual faggot. It was linear level design and a fucking awful story. In 2 weapon limit games you kill people to get the good weapon. You're a faggot.
I'll admit that the gameplay wasn't much to write home about, and its sad how stripped down everything go in comparison to the early demos. But I loved the shit out of the story, I thought the characters were great and its one of my favorites. I dont even care if this is a shit opinion.
>>343840752
>Where am I defending his decisions?
The following sentence, where you handwave criticism away from legitimate story telling flaws. "Constants and variables" is broken by the game's own story, with the ending being a meaningless endeavor that is undone without any explanation as to why.
Like or dislike the idea of constants and variables all you want, but Infinite does not follow its own structure for time travel or regarding the multiverses.
> Matthewmatosis's entire critique hinges on him just disliking 'constants and variables,' and critiquing the game as if it didn't explain its own time travel mechanics.
If you removed every aspect of the video where he talked about the story, his review would still be sound because the gameplay mechanics behind Infinite are muddled and largely flawed.
>>343828096
>would of
Into the trashcan.
>>343841210
>I dont even care if this is a shit opinion.
Sure you don't, that's why you were triggered enough to let us all know that you have a shit opinion.
Serious question: were you one of the faggots from the bioshock general threads?
>>343841172
The problem is that there are no good weapons in 2. The two weapon system meshed so poorly with the upgrade system that they turned it back to a weapon wheel when BaS came out.
>>343840542
Lol
and yes, I agree, circling back to my first post, on a scale the story weighs more then the gameplay because more was taken away for the sake of the story.
>>343841172
goddamn you're fucking stupid
see
>>343840895
not only that, every shock before it didn't have a weapon limit
>>343840895
Same here man, had to just give up and lower the difficulty cause none of my weapons had ammo and I was getting sick of failing.
>>343841476
>>343841521
I got through the 1999 setting no problem picking up dead enemies guns. What drugs are you on? Every game that has a 2 weapon restriction has enemies with the besr guns for the situation. I don't think either of you have played enough games to be commenting. BI is a shit game. 2 weapon limit is the last of it's problems.
Play more games.
>>343842207
How did you enjoy the Lady Comstock fight?
> 2 weapon limit is the last of it's problems.
Combined with the upgrade system and the bloated weapon pool from Vox weapons, it really isn't. It definitely isn't the worst problem, but it was an objectively poor implementation of the system.
>>343841683
You're a joke. Use other guns. You fucking retard.
>>343842367
>just use guns you haven't upgraded man
>>343842359
Not same Anon but I found it easier the second time around on 1999 than the first time on Hard.
>>343842367
You're not really explaining why its a good system, you're just calling people retards because they disliked fighting healthsponge enemies with unupgraded weapons.
>>343842207
I didn't say it was the worst problem, i said it was ONE OF it's worst problems
>>343842367
>just use shitty vox weapons that do little damage against bullet sponge enemies lmao
>>343842359
I don't remember it. But I beat it. It's that shallow. I could remember if I replayed it. I beat that shit when it came out. I don't wan't to play it again. BI was a low point for me. A very low point. Such a sad joke. I don't want to waste my time. I'm not getting the remaster bullshit. If I did I sure wouldn't play that shit.
>>343842367
By the time you reach end game, any weapons you haven't upgraded do piss poor damage comparatively to your upgraded ones, especially against Armored Vox that are bullet sponges.
>>343842918
It's not bad or good. It just is. You're whining like a cunt. Just win. Beat the game. Fuck. It doesn't matter. Stop being a vagina. Beat the shit game and move on.
>>343843503
not him, but I did win, I did beat the game, it was shit, and the 2 weapon limit and awful upgrade system, along with bullet sponge enemies was a direct fucking detriment to my enjoyment
>>343843503
Are you posting from your phone or are you 16? Who types like this?
>It's not bad or good. It just is.
No, its bad. We've given plenty of objective evidence why it was bad. It was so poorly received that the devs even changed it in the DLC.
>>343843268
By end game you have that bird and the magic shit. You must have invested in some shit guns, but more likely you aren't good at any of them. Run the fuck around and use everything. They liter the levels with enough shit that no matter how dumb your upgrades are you can win. Trust me. The only semi tough spot is against the dead bitch. Everything else is very easy. Git good at shooting shit.
>>343843993
man the point is just going right over your head isn't it?
>>343843503
I get the feeling your the type that gets the newest NFL and CoD games every year.
>>343833961
>Here's what you save by buying this bundle: $-0.01
>>343834439
Infinite was loved for a month, more or less.
>>343843993
You're really, really dumb. Do you really think everyone who criticized the system in Infinite is bad at FPS games? Everyone who you've talked to in this thread has beaten the fucking game, and none of us had fun with the two weapon limit.
>>343843993
Bird? oh you mean the piss made AoE that has the longest build up and cool down ever conceived by man and is a waste when the enemies just, walk away from the death circle?
>>343843503
>it's not bad or good
yeah, it's a subpar mediocre peice of shit
>>343843762
The 2 weapon limit was the least of my worries. Shitty level design and a bad story were far worse. If the level design wasn't a linear piece of shit and the story were good the game would be okay. However the story is bad from the start and the level design never does anything interesting. Yet you're boo hooing about needing to find better weapons? That was about the only time the game made you work. I'm not saying it was great. I couldn't care less. It's not worth mentioning.
>>343843503
&underage
>>343843993
Isnt that part of the problem right there "They liter the levels with enough shit that no matter how dumb your upgrades are you can win" the 2 weapon system we've been discussing fails in regard to this since the game KNOWS you dont have enough ammo or good upgrades to finish the fight, it throws the shit guns just so you can MAYBE beat it with what you have left, this isnt a survivor game where i scrap with what i have, the systems in place that the game encourages you to use conflict with the design of the final fight.
>>343844731
You're acting as if you know exactly how I rank my dislikes of Infinite. You clearly do not, so you should stop embarrassing yourself.
> Yet you're boo hooing about needing to find better weapons? That was about the only time the game made you work.
It wasn't work, it was tedium. You're acting as if this was a Halo situation, or a Doom situation, where the weapons are diverse and fun and you're encouraged to swap shit up. This was a fucking slog.
> I'm not saying it was great. I couldn't care less. It's not worth mentioning.
Then why are you crying about us all pointing out how shit it is? You obviously could care less, you could shut up.
>>343844731
It added on to the already shit game.
How dense are you?
SHITTY LEVEL DESIGN + STORY
plus a shitty 2 weapon limit with a god awful upgrade system, a low ammo count, and no new game plus, made for a far shittier product than it could have been
IT'S WHY BURIAL AT SEA HAD A WEAPON WHEEL FOR FUCK SAKE, PEOPLE HATED IT.
>>343844285
No. I said multiple times that complaint is dead last.Though you do come off as a needy woman that has to have a weapon wheel and can't just pick up the best gun, which is provided. Maybe you're just a bad ass that wants a lot of pistol ammo. I don't know.
>>343845172
>It wasn't work, it was tedium. You're acting as if this was a Halo situation, or a Doom situation, where the weapons are diverse and fun and you're encouraged to swap shit up. This was a fucking slog.
this
>>343845328
>>343845172
>>343845164
>>343844781
Alright. Good lord. You're special. 2 weapon limit gets me so mad. I'm so mad about it.
>>343845393
> I said multiple times that complaint is dead last.
Then you're retarded, thanks for letting us all know yet again.
>Though you do come off as a needy woman that has to have a weapon wheel and can't just pick up the best gun, which is provided.
>Though you do come off as a needy woman that has to have a weapon wheel and can't just pick up the best gun, which is provided.
There is no 'best gun' in Infinite, every gun is ass and combat feels slippery and unsatisfying. You're just dumb,dude.
>>343845716
not an argument
>>343831883
you forgot what made the game actually shit, which was the terrible level design and gunplay
>>343845716
Are you actually going to form an argument or is every post going to be IT ISN'T GOOD OR BAD IT JUST IS GUYS
>>343820889
>Anytime I tried to critique the game
So you mean your shitposting was opposed by fans of the game? Outrageous!
>>343845779
>There is no 'best gun' in Infinite, every gun is ass and combat feels slippery and unsatisfying.
fucking this, the guns are all fucking awful, even with upgrades they are just unfun as fuck to shoot, aside from the shotgun and the pistol, which surprise surprise, you can't use at the end do to "lolnoammo"
>>343845172
Definitely agree with your first point, most weapons i can recall were just Vox version of the columbian weapons, the most fun weapon i remember was the Gatling gun but you so rarely found ammo for that shit that you never used it unless it was a boss fight or a major battle and even then your limiting yourself to 1 main use weapon then.
>>343822175
I swear you people genuinely have no idea how fucking stupid you sound when you come out with this shit. It was a great game.
But please, tell us what you consider to be the best game you've ever played?
>>343845929
I hate BI . I only responded to 2 weapon limit folk by saying, WHO GIVES A FUCK. Because it is very low on my list why that fame is shit. Please carry on.
>>343846184
>It was a great game.
I swear you people genuinely have no idea how fucking stupid you sound when you come out with this shit.
But please, tell us how you felt about the Lady Comstock boss battles.
>>343846268
and we explained to you why we cared about it, and you responded by being a fucking retarded cunt.
>>343846268
*game
>>343846184
>It was a great game
I swear you people genuinely have no idea how fucking stupid you sound when you come out with this shit.
Wasn't this the game that permanently fried Sessler's brain?
>>343846184
>It was a great game.
(you)
>>343846268
>WHO GIVES A FUCK
You, clearly.
We all gave evidence on why this is a flawed system, you're just sperging out.
>>343846368
Nope. You never made a point. You j
>>343846184
One of the worst games ever.
>>343846268
Yup, its a mobile poster
>>343846568
I've made several, you failed to respond to any of them
>>343846184
>It was a great game.
I swear
>>343846568
Oh thank God, he died midpost
>>343846628
What were your points?
>>343826035
The only way you could change my opinion about how awful Infinite was is if you come over here and eat my ass. Then when you're picking shit out of teeth I'll still say it was overrated.
>>343846796
go back and look and read the fucking thread this time, although if I must spoonfeed you
>>343845328
>>343843627
>>343842983
and there are the other anons that made their own points like
>>343845172
it is impressive this game captured so many reviewers hearts when its a really simple and dumb shooter at its core.
>>343846714
kek
>>343847248
>it is impressive this game captured so many reviewers hearts when its a really simple and dumb shooter at its core.
I think you just figured out the mystery as to why reviewers love it
>>343847248
reviewers dont score games based on gameplay. they score it on politics, how cinematic it is, and to a lesser extent the graphics.
infinite really lost its momentum in the second half the game
i tried replaying it recently and the atmosphere in the first 6 hours was still superb but i ended up getting bored and uninstalling with the meh gameplay
shame they completely dumbed down plasmids and the other RPG aspects
>>343847421
>infinite really lost its momentum after the first hour
fixed that for you
>>343847248
Not really. Most video game reviewers are dumb, and most are desperate to make video games seem more mature.
It also helps that they had that gamejournopros thing in order to groupthink.
>>343847094
No. Start over. You posted shit responding to me. You linked to hissy fits on the level of, well, doom isn't like this.
No shit? Doom isn't like any Bioshock. At all. I say it's at the bottom of problems and in a way the only interesting aspect during fire fights.
Counterargument please. Detailed or at least semi in depth.
>it's a good narrative makes the shit game good episode
The funny thing is that the story is fucking awful. Why did so many people eat this shit up as deep or meaningful?
>>343839583
Yea, but that's the thing, the divergent timelines thing doesn't make sense. At all. There's a big point in the game where you go to another timeline to get the gunmaking equipment for people in your current timeline. And then you get there and only then do Booker and Elizabeth realize they have no idea how they're going to get these huge machines back to the chinese guy in this timeline who makes guns, or how that's going to help the people in their own timeline they're supposed to be getting the guns for. So they just go to another timeline for no reason. It's been a few years since I played it but I remember this being a big point where I just stared at the screen and asked what exactly was going on with this story and where the hell was it going, and apparently the answer was nowhere, or maybe I would've figured it out if I'd bothered to hunt through trashcans for audiologs. The story was a mess and felt like it had been chopped together, with crucial parts missing.
>>343847751
oh yes you yourself gave so many in depth and detailed arguments
>you posted shit responding to me
you mean the arguments I made were in response to your posts as a counter argument?
remember you started this whole argument
I merely said that the 2 weapon limit, shit upgrade system and bullet sponge enemies were one of the biggest problems with the game
you threw an autistic fit assuming I didn't also hate the level design and story, while stating how little the 2 weapon limit and such mattered to you, yet here you are, still responding.
When you take away a feature that all the previous games had, and you get so much flak for it you include it back in the DLC, you know you fucked up.
(note that in both posts I said one of the biggest problems, not the biggest problem, you may want to get your eyes checked, or at least cool down your autism.)
>>343847751
For a guy who claims he doesn't care about this shit, you sure really care about this shit.
>>343848350
So, nothing. Big surprise. Have a nice summer.
>>343848553
You have provided zero arguments for why it's anything other than horrible donkey shit, while me and others have already told you why we believe it's terrible. For someone so uninterested about this you sure do like to argue about it.
I will leave you with this
>shock series never had a 2 weapon limit and had upgrades that actually worked as well as a fair ammo system
>infinite has none of these plus a plethora of bullet sponge enemies
>oh gee why does this bother you guys so much?
>>343846184
It wasn't great, it was good. Looking back now I slightly cringe on how I didn't notice how obviously horrid it was. However, despite all odds I still had a fun experience.
>>343822775
the story wasn't what sold me but the artistic direction of the world and the visuals are simply mind boggling to me. I loved how the floating city actually had numerous interesting mechanisms designed to support the narrative, like the sky rail and the detachable city blocks.
I was honestly pretty impressed by the racist museum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afYcnZ62Wso
>journalists now publishing their real opinions after showering the game with 10's at release, ensuring plenty of sales for the publishers and taking home their checks and benefits
>>343820450
>re reviewing games
man they must really be running of empty here if they have to resort to that
its just as good as when it came out what could have possibly changed?
>>343849263
Eh, the artistic direction wasn't anything special after the first Bioshock.
>>343849308
Gamestop did it not even a month after release
went from a 9 to a 4 if I remember correctly, perfect score from the game to be honest
I mean look on the bright side
>it works
>well optimized
>controls are fine
>not very buggy from what I remember
too bad literally everything else is shit
>>343848553
Damn Ken, cool your potato head.
>>343849308
That show is pretty good mate.
1 and 2 were way better than Infinite. It sucks that Infinite got critical acclaim because it's by far the worst Bioshock.
Why is it even labelled as a bioshock game? Literally nothing besides the weird bullshit ending connection is related to the first two games.
>>343831205
>not having a plot twist is a negative
>BS2's plot is a negative
>tons of RPG elements a negative
I agree with most of those, but these are wrong.
>>343849773
Well, SS2 has tons of RPG elements but they're poorly thought out. Lots of things are almost worthless unless you're trying to challenge yourself.
>>343849308
Why does anyone take game reviews seriously, when the whole system is so obviously biased? If you say anything the publisher doesn't like, they blacklist you, don't send you early copies, and your review site loses business. Of course you aren't going to rock the boat
>>343849773
>BS2's plot is a negative
I think he's just pointing out that Bioshock Infinite just ripped off the same plot from Bioshock 2.
>2handed bullet sponge shooter with a waifu
it was decent but not SUPERO BESTOO GEIMU
shit gam sempai
it got redesigned halfway through and pushed out the doors
>upgrades for weapons but you can only carry because we want the halo audience
>tonics are supposed to be temporary, which is why you see them all around, but that was too complicated
>upgrades that do fuck all
>Story starts decent
>goes to shit with the rebel multiverse and goes to beyond earth at the last area
I'm going to make a better bioshock game right the fuck now
>Everything about bioshock 1, creation system, good upgrades, etc
>Create a house hub, that you spend the game going back and forth too
>3 act gameplay
>Set in a snowy enviroment
>you get your own mei
>>343849772
brand recognition
>>343830065
Not to defend or anyhting, but point 1 is a problem in almost every fps ever
I loved Infinitebecause it was my first FPS.
What was the original ending supposed to be because Booker as Comstock was something from later in development and it really shows
I judge games via a second playthrough, and I couldn't play through Infinite a second time, so that pretty much knocks it out of elite tier for me.
Plot stupidity aside, it was a decent FPS that had a novel companion mechanic. Game got pretty repetitive pretty quick though and some of the more "challenging" bits were more frustrating than challenging (fuck that fucking ghost right in its fucking ghost vagina).
Upgrade system was retarded. I mean really retarded. There are a million FPSes out there with a million different upgrade systems, and Infinite chose the worst one.
Vigors were cool. This and Dishonored brought some fun stuff to their respective genres, respect.
The DLC storyline should've been the main storyline, or at least integrated into it somehow. The ending to Infinite fucking blew dicks, the DLC's ending should've been how it ended, with both of them going down together and setting the stage for Bioshock 1/2. I would've high-fived that shit and probably sobbed like a little bitch too. But no, we got an ending that some asshole probably thought was really "smart" without actually running it through some actual smart people. Oh well.
Elizabeth was waifu of the year though, so brownie points there.
>>343850714
underage or weeb?
>>343851135
I think dunkey said the same thing about upgrades. You need money to buy stronger weapons, but if you die you lose money, making the game harder and sending you into a vicious cycle of nonsense.
>>343849772
No idea, I really think it hurt itself more labeling itself as a bioshock game, if they had a different title but saved the rapture twist in the end it may have panned out better, once i heard it was a Bioshock game I immediately had expectations of how the game would play.
>>343834336
I'd recommend playing it for an hour or so to see if it's something that might interest you a bit. It's not great by any stretch of the imagination, but there are definitely worse things on Steam.
>mfw bioshock 2 is the best bioshock and is the only one with a solid, cohesive story and characters that aren't pathetically written
Me on the right
>>343823983
Unlike all of the other video games that 'really happened'?
>>343851249
The latter. Haven't touched any other FPS besides the first BioShock.
I don't get how people can find infinite's combat fun, it's just so limiting. You can't get creative with it outside of some bits on skyrails.
All the vigors do the same thing, stun.
There as only a few weapons really worth using(carbine, handcannon, shotgun, rocket launcher) and even to make those decent you had to spent a poopton of cash to upgrade them.
And for the people who say the lady comstock fight was fine, you have clearly never beaten the game on 1999 mode. Both her and the handymen are so unfun to fight.
>>343851593
I just hated the camera in that game
>Can upgrade weapons
>Can only carry two weapons at a time
>Can drop your upgraded weapons and lose them forever
It still blows my mind that they thought this was a good idea.
>>343850197
If it was green for BS2 but red for BS:I, then I agree, but it was red for both.
>>343851848
If you're talking about the helmet hud, you can remove that in the options menu and increase the fov in the ini files if you want.
>>343851996
no i ment that camera thing you get where you get bonus powers for staring at enemies for an amount of time
I didnt mind the picture in the first game but the camera in the second was tedious as fuck
>>343851848
I forget, did it reward you with better fighting while you were recording, or did it reward you for drawing out the battle and letting them attack more?
In the end, the porn was the only good thing from this game
i love how ken said 2 was awful so everyone jumped on that and kept saying 2 was bad then the guy goes and makes a worse version of it and it gets 10/10 wtf
>>343852159
you had to record to get buffs like killing the enemies faster and i think other active skills
i know the first one let you become invisible and shit but i forget what the second did exactly
>>343851824
>Both her and the handymen are so unfun to fight.
I got lucky with the Handymen and had that one tonic or whatever that makes you invulnerable when you hop on or off a rail. I just continually did that for a zillion minutes until it finally died.
Not fun though.
>>343852264
>>343852159
forgive me for being retarded
but it rewarded you for drawing the battle out i believe
>>343852070
>>343851848
I found it pretty fun.
>>343852173
the licensed song alters were nice
>>343852365
that's what I thought. I think the motion camera would have been great if they made it more based on your performance instead.
>>343851873
>drop your upgraded weapons and lose them forever
Is that true? doesn't upgrading just make all weapons of that type better from then on? If not, how come when you buy an upgrade it is never available for sale again?
2 weapons at once is shit, you need 3 at least
1) machine-gun, or pistol
2) rocket or grenade launcher
3) sniper rifle
>>343852570
I thought it gave you a rating depending on the weapons you use to kill the thing, so if you use a variety and you drew the battle out you'd get a higher rating and thus a bigger buff
>>343820795
Shit gameplay, 2deep4u plot that wasn't actually that complicated, below average quality Shock game.
So pic related, then?
Reminder that Bioshock 1 and even more so Bioshock 2 had stupid plot twists/dumb endings, so if you're going to say that Bioshock 1/2 is good but Infinite is bad pick a different argument.
Yes, the "wait a minute... that card" part was stupid.
Yes, the ending reeked of "2deep4u".
It was a total 180 in terms of Bioshock's previous aesthetics and "survival/psychological horror" feel, so fanboys had some serious assmad syndrome, which are the people who shitpost about it here to this day.
It wasn't bad, it was just overrated.
>>343852812
>>343852570
>>343852365
It scores depending on what you do.
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Research_Camera
>>343852974
No way. Bioshock 1's ending was lackluster as was bioshock 2 but Bioshock Infinite is incompatibly bad. It is in a league of its own. It was absolutely stupid on every single level, it is downright insulting.
Bioshock Infinite was absolutely veritably bad.
>>343852974
>It was bad, it was overrated.
Fix'd
How has /bsg/ survived all these years? Is Elizabeth waifufaggotry really that strong?
>>343846184
cmon man really? infinte....INFINITE a great game? CMON!
>>343854298
Yes, same way /ksg/ has survived all these years.
![inception-explained[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uVDMgMY.jpg "inception-explained[1]")