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Get in here SHIFTers.
Phi best girl
HOW MANY UNRESOLVED PLOTLINES U WANT SENPAI?
>>343793806
I just noticed he never wore the jacket.
you dont have the balls
>>343793935
not quite
good choice tho
Where are the Akane lewds
I wanna hike that sweater up and fuck her while Junpei watches
POST MURDERIFIC BONER FUEL
>>343794057
Why does this poor lady keep shooting herself? :(
Alright /v/, time for the ultimate question.Do you shoot ∆, or let him go?
Keep in mind he's 124 and you're still pissed.
>>343794193It was time for her to sign off.
>>343794057
uggh, you are worse than the "muh Alice&Clover are totally relevant characters"
When Junpei casually mentioned that he had blown up FtS' HQ, is instantly thought that the main plot twist was that Kyle went back to past, gave Junpei and Seven the info, creating the possibility of a timeline where Brother is dead and R6 isn't released, but he had to make sure the VLR timeline was still a possibility, so he had set the entire game up in a reverse ruse. Everyone thinks they're trying to create a timeline where R6 is not released, but in truth, they're actually actively working towards making the VLR world a possibility.
Best Zero in the series. He was just so hammy that it was a treat whenever he showed up.
PLEASANT DREAMS.
>>343794269
>[shoot Gab]
What do you call an unresolved cliffhanger?
Did people hate Akane before ZTD? I never saw people call her a retard before this
Zero and Junpei hamming it up on every scene was a sight to see.
I enjoyed this game in a different way than I enoyed 999 and VLR. Those wore more like complex VNs. This was a great bad B movie.
>>343794269
Let Mira touch his heart. I mean he's stillthe leader of a terrorist cult that already kidnapped and killed people all around the world.
>>343794269
Unlike Akane's """"""""""""machiavellian"""""""""
I really do think about the ends, so I let him go since he'll be a very valuable asset in stopping the terrorist, I let petty revenge go
>>343794248
>all that shit in the background of the bomb room was never used
>>343794269
Let him go. His manipulation was the same as Akane and Sigma's yet I don't think they deserve to be killed. Besides, if the fanatic is real then radical-6 is the lesser of the two evils.
>>343794509
Why are Akane fanboy so annoying?
Is this their fist work of japanese fiction so they fall for the childhood friend meme?
I want to blow my load on Phi's D cups.
>>343794269
Ideally I'd want to shoot him
But I'd probably think that he'd have a greater impact on stopping the terrorist, so he'd walk free.
But god damn would I want to shoot him
>>343794657
Noone is fanboying Akane here
![[HorribleSubs] Re Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu - 14 [720p].mkv_snapshot_25.49_[2016.07.04_12.14.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wFwHUXa.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Re Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu - 14 [720p].mkv snapshot 25.49 [2016.07.04 12.14.22]")
>>343793668
Is Subaru a SHIFTer?
>>343794269
I guess I'd keep him alive because wouldn't he be like, super fucking useful?
>>343794461
A complex motive
>>343794792
I couldn't help but think HE was the terrorist that blew up the world.
>>343794435
>Newcomb's paradox
Oh, so this is what he was trying to get at with the radical 6 injection decision. I didn't understand it from the game at all.
>be trapped with 8 other people in a cell
>guess the coin flip correctly
>leave
>"Wow we sure were lucky right?"
>yfwyou suddenly see yourself in a bunker about to explode
>>343794509
In 999 and VLR she came off as this huge mastermind. ZTD shows how much of a complete retard she actually was the entire time.
She had access to a literal spacetime machine, could've used two incredibly powerful espers with Junpei and Carlos (Maria too, if she had taken her to the moon too and cured her, while teaching her how to control her powers), could've basically found out about Brother's identity and told it to herself, Sigma or Phi through the morphogenetic field at any time, and didn't even bother to run a background check on the people that were going to be in DCOM, even though Crash Keys hacked the system to put her, Sigma and Phi in weeks in advance.
In fact, VLR Akane is literally folowing a failed bootstrap paradox that has the destruction of the world as the constant, which means she should actively work against it.
>>343794435
I feel like Uchi spends too much time on wikipedia.
>>343794461
VLR
>>343795090
I can't read theory on Wikipedia. It's all written at a PhD level.
>>343795090
I know about most of that shit too, and it's not from reading wikipedia. I think it's just what happens when you get old and you are nerdy.
>come to the meeting, I will show you the God of this world and its secrets
>no follow up
this game feels more like constant cockblocking
>>343794614
>>343794792
>>343794912
But nothing suggests that he is going to continue helping and share his assets. For all we know he could just run off due to COMPLEX reasons.
>>343794461
low budget
>>343794435
The 500 million year button is so stupid
>>343794269
>voiced by dc douglas
even mindhacked I couldn't shoot him
>>343795246
Yeah, but killing him does nothing beyond granting temporary catharsis
>Reposting from the last thread
Honestly, doesn't the fact that Many Worlds is basically fact in this game kind of devalue actions
They save this universe, but there exist an infinite number of other universes where everyone is killed by the terrorist or everyone is saved by someone else
I'd like to see a character just develop pure apathy about fixing the timelines
>>343795270
I think it's an interesting topic, and Robin Hanson does too
>>343795273
>wesker
>smug as hell
I want to hate him, but I can't. I will hate Uchi instead.
>Literally 20 minutes before the end of the game, a new plot device is introduced
UCHI
>>343795465
Yes, along with SHIFTing, but I try not to think about it to much.
>>343795181
PhDs are literal retards.
>>343795465
There's also that theory that's brought up about observable universes. Because they can't directly observe those universes, they might as well not exist.
>>343795465
Carlos's complete disregard for his life as soon as he learns SHIFTing is pretty funny.
Someone expand on the COMPLEXity behind the big blue button decision game.
HOW THE FUGG DO I BEAT THAT CLOVER GAME
How is R11? Please tell me it doesn't have chicken sandwiches
>>343795708
Yeah buddy, I'm sure they are.
Lads I just shifted in from the timeline where ZTD never gets created. I'm so happy to see it exists here, it was a huge success right?
Shouldn't we be able to see Delta's wheelchair at the elevator in the D ending that leads to VLR?
>>343795724
Carlos wild ride was the best
>>343795724
This
It was actually fucking hilarious watching him realize that he had basically become a god
I wonder if when he goes back to being a firefighter, if he'll just run into the fire to prove that he'll be fine
>>343795273
Also in japanese he was Gendo / Kaiji's narrator
>>343795724
He and Junpei doing the SHIFTing sequence was the best part of the game
>Ok I have a plan
>I'll be your meat shield. Carlos will help too
>THE FUCK
>Shoot me. Don't worry, I won't die.
>>343795791
I thought it was really good but it feels quite unfinished. Worth reading tho.
>>343795871
Ah ah ah ah ah ah ah...
Life is unfair...
drawfags, please draw some diana and/or phi getting impregnated by Sigmas 18 inch D pics
>>343794435
How many of these are actually evident in the game's writing?
>>343795791
The game ends on a literal cliffhanger
>>343795270
It's a funny concept.
>>343795724
He even managed to destroy seanbot.
Carlos is silly.
>>343793982
The artbook says that the modelers were too incompetent to make the jacket
>>343793969
Just shift my shit up senpai.
Since D team didn't get an epilogue, write what you think happened. Assume they've dealt with the fanatic.
>999
>Good guy is actually evil
>VLR
>Evil guy is just evil
>ZTD
>Good guy is a bro
Carurossu is truly the best.
>>343793806
it's in the premium booklet.
it was too COMPLEX to animate
How much of a clusterfuck is the Q&A going to be?
I actuallyreally likedthe game
>>343796220
Are there any scans of the booklet?
PRESS THE BUTTON was the best part of the game, why didn't they do the arguing in real time for any of the other decisions? It would have made the incinerator so much better.
>>343795813
If you're smart enough to beat the puzzles in VLR, you're smart enough to read the wikipedia article on the monty hall problem.
>>343796319
The worst part is how little there is in the way of lewds for it
Basically just that one Phi groping picture and Akane getting raped by Clover
I can't believe I'm saying this, but they managed to make ZTD worse than VLR.
>>343796357
>Motherfucking Daisuke Ono screaming at me full volume
>>343796194
>Phi, I bought you another swimsuit for your birthday, try it on
>FUCK OFF OLD MAN
>>343796054
Most of them
THE
So is there a timeline in which Sigma fed Phi his 18 inch sausage?
>>343796319
Are you a talesfag? Those are used to mediocre games.
>>343796319
same here, I think most people loved it and are just butthurt about the ending
>>343796194
>we need to transfer water
>sigma take it off your head please
This is the man she fucked and had children with.
>>343796518
Did Hempel's Raven ever show up?
>>343796194
Considering how much of a duo of incompetent useless dumbasses Phi and Sigma were, I highly doubt it.
>>343796412
I'm talking about quantum theory specifically, the foundation for many worlds, shrodinger's cat, superposition, etc. Those articles are ridiculous for a 'dummy', which I think an encyclopedia should assume you are.
>>343796609
nice
>>343796002
I want to see her ahegaoing and getting a stomach bulge from Sigmas 18 incher
I also want to see a pregnant diana ahegao pic with sigmas cum oozing out of her vag
>>343796491
I pressed the button in the last seconds because of that.
>>343796054
I don't think many of them are actually used. Just name-dropped. Nothing really comes of the whole Sleeping Beauty problem thing.
>Diana goes from cautiously optimistic to begrudging acceptance to alcoholism to begging a 67 year old man to fuck her to giving birth to his children in the span of 9 months
>>343796319
It was a fun ride but also clearly flawed
>Junpei does his VLR Tenmyouji poses
Nice touch desu
>>343796812
One month. Nine of those months were the pregnancy itself, of course.
Just finished ZTD and while I certainly enjoyed myself, I can't help but feel disappointed.
Instead of the game standing on its own, it ended up feeling like a bunch of forced explanations for stuff that happened in VLR put tugether and it didn't even succeed at that.
It just doesn't feel right desu. It's as if we got SW:A New Hope (999), Return of the Jedi (VLR) and then instead of the expected Empire Strikes Back we got The Phantom Menace.
There's so many things that don't make sense to me.
Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was? What's the full story behind the snail-induced chain of events? Did everyone just accept Mira being a heart-fetish serial murderer? If not, what happened to her? What happened to imouto? Where is Not-Kyle? Why was Phi transported into the future? If the scientists figured out how to use the transporter, why didn't they use it?
That's just the tip of the iceberg, but my brain is in total chaos right now
VLR > ZTD > 999
>>343796781
It comes up in ZTD, they don't know how many times they've been asleep before when they wake up.
>>343796319
It was flawed but fun, 8/10 desu. For the final game capping off a beloved series they could have fucked it up much worse (see MGS4).
>>343796925
>Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was? What's the full story behind the snail-induced chain of events? Did everyone just accept Mira being a heart-fetish serial murderer? If not, what happened to her? What happened to imouto? Where is Not-Kyle? Why was Phi transported into the future? If the scientists figured out how to use the transporter, why didn't they use it?
Complex reasons.
>>343796925
>Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was?
Do I need to repeat myself Anon?COMPLEX MOTIVES
999>ZTD>VLR
You can't prove me wrong.
>>343796319
I liked it a bunch, but there's no denying a lot of plot strings were abandoned.
I feel like people here really don't understand that the game is lucky to even be a thing and they were probably given very short dev time for it and things had to be simplified or cut.
I'm just glad I live in a timeline with any conclusion.
>that sigma and phi banter starts
>hardly ever goes anywhere
Why? What a missed opportunity.
>>343796925
A lot of what you're asking is answered through critical thinking and in-game files
What I liked the most about ZTD is that like most trilogies, the third game revisits the first game. In this case it was an elaborate ruse to exist.
>>343797013
No... just no
>>343797112
*shows proof*
999 > ZTD >VLR
I missed Dio
>>343797013
VLR = 999 > ZTD
>>343797112
Why is ZTD better than VLR? I liked all of them but VLR's puzzles are way better and it's got more of them.
>Junpei calls Akane fat
>She says she'll cut off his arm
Fucking hell, I wish this was a traditional VN. I wanted more passive agressive lover's quarrel banter.
>>343796319
I love it but it has a lot of problems.
>>343796925
>Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was?
C O M P L E X
>What's the full story behind the snail-induced chain of events?
Life is unfair.
>Did everyone just accept Mira being a heart-fetish serial murderer? If not, what happened to her?
She turned herself in, read the files.
>What happened to imouto?
Who?
>Where is Not-Kyle?
Good fucking question
>Why was Phi transported into the future?
German scientists fucking around
>If the scientists figured out how to use the transporter, why didn't they use it?
Who's to say they didn't?
>yfw diana and sigma willfully sat into the SAW chair
>>343796925
>Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was?
He was merely pretending.
>Did everyone just accept Mira being a heart-fetish serial murderer?
Yes
>What happened to imouto?
She's okay now.
>Where is Not-Kyle?
Who?
>Why was Phi transported into the future?
Complex motives.
>If the scientists figured out how to use the transporter, why didn't they use it?
Read above.
>>343797031
Only in that they wake up and don't know what time it is. There's nothing of the actual paradox or the problem of probability relating to it in the story.
>>343797279
>Junpei starts talking about women nipples
>Akane responds by saying how brave and heroic Carlos is
Pretty good stuff.
>>343797112
999>VLR>ZTD.
I just did, fampai.
>>343793958
OLD MEN RULING THE WORLD
>>343797343
Why didn't Sigma just sit down without putting his various body parts into the restraint area?
>>343797112
I agree with your facts. VLR was a mistake.
>>343797112
VLR>999>ZTD
Done.
>>343797345
cute!
>>343794789
That outfit is absolutely boner inducing.
>>343796194
come to think of it
does old sogma ever switch back with young sigma?
does he just spend the rest of his days with diana while young sigma still tries to do research for decades?
they just never swap back?
Where are naturally-colored-hair Phi fanarts?
>>343797274
VLR is horrible paced, most of the characters arent important to the plot, the game throws like 20 gates at you
>>343797274
A lot of characters in VLR were a waste (Quark, Alice, Clover...) and the end was shit
>>343797426
The hand-rest needed weight on it to activate.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10665332
Help a nigga out.
>>343797112
999=VLR=ZTD
>>343796925
>Why did Delta start a religious cult? Why did he make the clones? How did he achieve immortality? Why did he hate humanity as it was? What's the full story behind the snail-induced chain of events?
you wouldn't understand it, it's too complex
pic related
>>343797548
Just like ZTD eh
Why were there so many close-ups of Phi's butt?
>>343797546
Are we talking about 999 or VLR?
>>343797523
the epilogues saythey switch back after a few years, and diana dies in young sigmas arms right as he sifts in
>>343797548
>I didn't like x character so they were a waste
Epic
>>343797546
>is horrible paced, most of the characters arent important to the plot
We're talking about VLR, not 999
>>343797593
>look up the Gold File combinations
You can't, they're randomized per save file.
>>343797651
I'm glad somebody else noticed. I'm not complaining. Actually, I will complain because we didn't get to see Phi enough.
>>343797593
you cant look them up you dumb fuck. Every save has a different password seed
>>343797593
>not doing gold files the first time
Shit Tyrone get it together.
Holy shit, Q's identity was foreshadowed from the beginning!
Man, since this is the final game, Uchikoshi really missed the chance of at least having closure to some open shit.
like how about
>Have Junpei do an off-hand comment about getting the info about Free the Soul from an informant named "Kyle"
>In the C ending, have Brother say that in the future, Junpei will be the protector of the next leader of Free the Soul
>>343797112
999 has the most coherent and contained story and atmosphere. It knew what it wanted to be and do, and did it. VLR has the best overall package, with its genuine puzzles, music, moral decisions, developed characters, quality VA work, and a tragic story that mostly works on its own. The Q room is second only to the sudoku as the franchise's apex.
ZTD on the other hand was a complete disaster, saved only by its cheesiness and an occasional 'cinematic' moment.
>>343797573
And you know this how? Why didn't he just apply pressure with his fingers until it activated?
>>343797721
That's the VLR timeline. Read the name of the files.
>>343796491
>Matt Mercer*
Fuckin' weeb.
>>343794969
>not being on the main timeline
Sucks to suck.
>>343797345
I wasn't expecting Sean to grew on me
>>343797651
Because the symbol for Phi is a butt.
>>343797969
>Matt Mercer*
>Poors man Troy Baker
>Not wanting Kujo Jotaro screaming at you to push a button
>>343797651
Uchikoshi knows what I wanna see.
>>343797996
That's clearly a titjob, which Phi will NEVER EVER be able to do.
>>343797996
That's a vagina you dumb fuck
>>343796829
>>343797303
This. I enjoyed the ride but the game has it's flaws.
>finish 999
>fee like you have accomplished something
>finish VLR
>feel like you have set in motion things for a better future
>finish ZTD
>feel nothing because infinite timelines
can you guys suggest another VN that will make me feel like I solved stuff instead of just cheating death?
>>343797897
Because Zero is a clairvoyent, and thus would have known he would use his fingers to apply pressure. Thus inputting scanners that would burn phi if he only used his fingers.
Sigma knew that Zero knew that Sigma knew that Gab knew that Sigma knew it was a trap. Thus he rests his arms on the chair and gets trapped.
>>343798218
Steins;Gate
>>343797315
I'm pretty sure Imouto is "Sister" in weeb-speak. I think he means Maria, which is answered in files.
>>343798192
>implying Phi can't give a vastly superior buttjob
>>343797852
You really think he wouldn't make a 4th game if this one sold?
You have to leave loose ends, it's all about chasing the bluebird
>>343798218
>can you guys suggest another VN that will make me feel like I solved stuff instead of just cheating death?
Umineko.
>>343798192
>he's never heard of hotdogging
>>343798218
Ghost Trick.
>>343798192
what are you talking about?
>>343798192
>>343798194
>one second apart
>>343798218
yeah the whole SHIFT to cheat death just makes any death lose any impact.
>they died, oh well whatever, they'll respawn safe and sound in another timeline
>>343798238
>Sigma knew that Zero knew that Sigma knew that Gab knew that Sigma knew it was a trap.
Thanks, that explains it.
>>343798218
>saves a girl that set you up and made it so that a guy killed 3 other people
>an acomplishment
Nigger...
>>343798151
Who? I don't speak weeb.
>>343798325
>make me feel like I solved stuff
>Umineko
Are you fucking serious?
>>343798218
Ever 17 can be pretty dull at parts but it has a great payoff.
>>343798395
Naruto's brother
>>343795724
CARLOS IS GOD NOW
>>343798458
Ever17 is 90% shit, 10% awesome stuff.
I love the character designs and the models of this game. Feels classy as fuck. VLR was tacky and far too generic otaku anime for my tastes.
Too bad about the animations though.
>>343797996
COMPLEX
>>343798482
Naruto has a brother? Damn.
>>343796352
https://mega.nz/#!FJg1EBYI!dvlA4guPBLPhzPkHbZn5uwKoQn6ICwVmgiuC0l8yh04
>>343798151
>Putting last name before first name
Just off yourself.
>>343797996
That explains why every scene with Phi is from this angle.
>>343795935
I was excited because I thought the game was finally picking up and the rest would be timeline shifting adventures with Carlos.
But it was all over before it began.
>Carlos and Junpei made more use of their abilities 5 minutes after discovery than Phi and Sigma did after all the prep work
>>343796496
UNLIMITED SWIMSUIT WORKS
You know what, this is shit. I won't stand for this ending. I'm going to jump to a timeline where Uchikoshi didn't do lines of blow out of Aksys June every night while writing this game, and instead actually gave it some thought.
Come on shoot me. I won't die.
>>343798395
This guy.
Post favourite tracks
https://youtu.be/VlVT234OA0o
>>343798467
Your way of recommenting a new game is spoiling it?
>>343798376
I was fine with it when it was more "retain fragmented memories from times I've died in other timelines" and not "literally on demand to whenever I want just by committing suicide"
>>343798218
Ghost Trick.
You cheat death AND you solve stuff
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn7qfJH514g
>>343798641
Sigma and Phi were fucking useless.
Well, Phi at least was good fap material, and I'm sure a lot of guys and gals beat thier sticks to Sigma too.
>>343798715
BUT YOU'RE A MURDERED IN THAT TIMELINE
>>343798747
You what?
>>343797013
Literally opposite order
>diana's boobs are D's
>she dresses modestly
>her mom is diana, E-cup chick
are we sure she's lying? maybe she just binds them or something, like she dyed her hair
doing that seems in character since she seems to be more proud of her wit than body
>>343797523
It's a big loop. Young Siggy is shifted to the future to build his powers, shifts back to do his research, then as old Siggy swaps with young Siggy.
>>343793969
ayy lmao
>>343798747
It's not a spoiler, it's completely out of context.
>>343798715
>I'm going to jump to a timeline
But in that timeline your body is already dead, you will have to use the TRANSPORTO
>>343798537
That's clearly a
>TIME TO DECIDE
>keyboard appears
>Type what it is!
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j2cNGej9PI
>>343798839
>more proud of her wit than body
Nigga, did you see what she's wearing in this game? She looks like she ready to repopulate mars.
>>343798715
But Anon, this IS that timeline. You just waited around for 10 months without stopping Uchikoshi's plan
>i spent whole VLR shipping sigma and phi
>sigma hits on her quite a few times
>read that uchikoshi said in a Q&A that their romance wouldn't be possible and that it'd be explained in the third gamei knew it i fucking knew it i said "she'll be her daughter or some shit" fuck you uchikoshi fuck you so much i wanted them to fuck not to be the result of sigma fucking i feel so dirtythe second i saw she had orange eyebrows i knew she was their daughter godammitkind of selfish tho to have sex knowing that if you have children they'll starve to death
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se81-O0te-E
It doesn't get more hype than this.
>>343798641
On the bright side, we can look forward to ZE4: Electric Cowboy Boogaloo starring Spacetime Superhero Carlos vs the Evil Alien invaders from Mars.
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9QQjrKs4nM
>>343799000
dunno, she just seems fashion-y to me, not slutty
>>343798924
>65 minutes to decide on pushing the button or not
>>343798638
I want to lick her milky thighs!
>>343798930
>that 1:04
>>343799097
It's actually 64 days and 51 hours
>>343798858
An evil smile doesn't need context to show that the guy smiling is evil.
>>343798924
Anyone have a gif/webm of the zoom-up on the button?
We can all agree that this is the best version of Morphogenetic Sorrow yet, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWYdW5JPQ7c
I'm kind of pissed Recollection never plays though.
>>343799053
You can do it if you don't know :^
Somewhere there is history where Sigma boing Phi
>>343799204
I'd love a Youtube video of this scene with Phi and Sigma shouting at you.
>>343799000
Phi is cute
>>343798743
When the drums kick in at 0:59
>>343799053
>>i spent whole VLR shipping sigma and phi
why stop nowbut yes sigma and phi had the best chemistry. i'm disappointed too
Who's Zero? Is it you? Maybe you? Or maybe even.....you.
>>343797274
The puzzles were pretty bad compared to 999, all but like 4 characters were annoying as hell and the worst part was how repetitive each branch was. It was a big slog getting to new material.
>>343799053
>kind of selfish tho to have sex knowing that if you have children they'll starve to death
Wanna know how I know you're autistic, anon
>>343793806
WHAT THE FUCK HOW DO YOU GET UCHI'S CONTACT?
>>343799053
Besides Sigma and Diana's first use of it, nobody ever takes into consideration the original copy that is left behind when the teleporter is used.
>>343795724
just like lynne from ghost trick
>>343799349
It's Old Man Jenkins actually.
>>343799349
kek'd
>>343799369
>Not being friends with Uchi on normiebook
>>343799349
I was legit spooked as fuck when Sean just looks at me.
Why do they persist with this shitty 3d, it looks awful
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WlaxEkyYY
I kinda hoped for a meta twist where we were Zero because we wanted a third game so much.
>>343799298
It's very reflective. I'd love this to play as something insane went down, like time 'breaking' as the logo suggested.
>>343799076
>ZE4 is literallyXCOMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtyvh-DeQYs
>>343799502
Because it's way, way cheaper and they had a budget of like 100Y
>>343799502
Uchi wanted the Telltale audience.
HOW DO I UNLOCK THE 4TH ENDING
I HAVE TWO TREE SEGMENTS LEFT IN THE FUCKING GAME AND I JUST CANT SEEM TO DO IT
WHY IS IT SOCOMPLEX
>>343799529
Well you do play as Delta throughout the entire game so we're half-way there.
>>343799382
>that part where Junpei and Akane use the TRANSPORTO while Carlos fights the Sean-bot
>He makes the TRANSPORTO explode in the fight and uses that to SHIFT
>Original Junpei and Akane die in the explosion, fucks given: ZERO
>>343799502
Ebin sharin no kuni twist, duh.
>>343799502
The game looked awesome, don't lie to yourself.
>>343799349
>waited whole game for 4th wall breaking
>hinted at by character's recognizing they aren't making all their own choices
>it's some bullshit mindfuck shoehorned garbage
>not Zero recognizing the player exists and has created the decision game to trap themDangan did the extra contestant twist better
>>343799615
Type Delta
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ydrp6Mhf8
>>343799053
father x daughter is best incest desu
>>343798854
So from here on out its Zero Sr. Siggy?
ZE4 will be a third person shooter for the PS4 featuring Junpei and Seven.
Screencap this, you first heard it here.
>>343794509
Only people who haven't read prologue calling her a retard.
>>343799561
>Delta looks like a Thin Man
UCHIKOSHIIIIII
>>343793668
Cool, just Shifted in from an alternate history where you still haven't explained why no one suspected Q immediately when he was missing from the coin toss.
>>343799772
Real talk, that would be fucking amazing.
>>343799772
>Ultra Escape Boys
>>343799713
Which is pretty funny since in the Simpsons scene, the camera zooms out to show he wasn't even pointing at the viewer.
>>343799698
Yeah, I was wondering about that. I think he just had no idea they were still there. Probably didn't even realize that he left behind a copy of himself in his plan to rescue Akane and Junpei.
>>343796925
>How did he achieve immortality?
>>343799698
>junpei and akane are also SHIFTers
I don't see an issue. The worst moral decision in the game was between Sigma and Diana to fuck. Just born to starve to death in a pod.
>>343799772
I sure as hell hope so. That would be fucking awesome.
>>343799784
Her ZTD version is fine since she's just a 22 Year old woman with a bunch of fragmented visions from different timelines, and wasn't quite sure what she was doing.
He VLR self is a complete fucking retard though.
>>343798419
Not him, but at least they don't cheat death and evenAnge gets fucked by cancer
>>343799716
where? I've alreadyshot him dead and two tress are "?" and greyed out
Alright so using the transporter you modify all the timelines, because you sent a copy of yourself to the past, so no matter what, as long as Sigma fucked Diana at least in one timeline, every other time line that includes them not fucking or dying will also result in Delta existing.
However it says that Eric and Sean helped Mira escape from prison and sent their copies to the past to prevent Mira from ever murdering anybody. If this truly happened it would mean that all the time lines, no matter what, would be forever be time lines were Mira is not a serial killer, which means all those things that the snail caused to everybody would never have happened. 999's story would never exist because Akane would have parents. Without 999 VLR would also not exist, so to an extend ZTD would never have happened too.
So what the fuck is the deal with this? Did Uchi fuck up and contradicted himself when writing this ending for Mira?
>>343799830
>mindhackCOMPLEXITOR
why did Delta shoot Gab in the explosion timeline?
>>343798743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kVwCXrQZ4
>>343800121
Complex reasons
>>343800042
Do you have all execution results?
>>343800049
Sean and Eric are just trying to pull a Back to the Future, without consulting Akane.
>>343800121
complex motives
>>343799772
It's already here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_T28Ufs2k
Okay, so technically it's an American bastardization of a light novel, but it's basically Zero Escape if it was a third person shooter.
>>343800042
NOBODY
>>343800049
>using the transporter you modify all the timelines
Was this mentioned? If so I completely forgot about it but it sounds retarded either way
>>343800167
rip in peace pupper
>>343800042
Have you seen all three teams get voted out? The Flow Chart should tell you, near the top to the left.
>>343800167
WHY THOUGH
WHAT PURPOSE DID IT SERVE
WHY IS IT GOOD NEWS
C O M P L E X
>>343800121
Did get a rise out of Phi to kick him
I realized I wasn't having a good time with this game when Extreme Extrication started playing halfway through, and I just thought "I wish I was playing 999".
>>343796215
>ZTD
>Bad guy is actually good guy
fixed
>>343800304
>lol he was already old dude haha
>>343800304
It's literally too COMPLEX for you to understand, explaining it would be a waste of time.
Is complex motives the new 2deep4u?
>>343799772
So like army of two except the entire game is FTS HQ?
>>343798192
Sadly, the official art supports your claim >>>/aco/686653
>>343800121
Because you know, 100%, that if they hadn't shown that Gab was already dead someone would say "WE CANT LEAVE GAB BEHIND HE'S BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH"
>>343799772
Any drawfag between us?
I want to see this.
>>343800167COMPLEX REASONSGAB IS THE TERRORIST
>>343800304
2complex4u
Yo, is there a way to skip text like in VLR?
using B button or the bottom screen button skips several lines at once
>>343800229
>bastardization
It was better.
>>343796653
if you want hempel's ravens you gotta play this
>>343799830
Yeah, it's basically impossible for a robot to be under that disguise given how limited the technology in the shelter was.
>>343800439
Gab was Kyle
>>343800378
>Implying all the games haven't revealed the villian was actually the good guy
>The only Nonary game with malicious motives was Ace's
>CARLOS: YOU CAN'T KILL ME
Some parts of game so ridiculous silly or bad that it's make them so fuckin good.
>>343799713
Do you play read Uchi's Infinity series? They have some real well written 4th wall breaking. Especially Remember11. This bullshit with Delta in ZTD was awful. He literally appears out of nowhere as Invisible Steve Jobs. What the fuck, Uchi? I blame "wide west audience" targeting. Game lost a lot compared to even VLR
Instead of C team it should have been D team doing all the Shifting adventures. Just suddenly giving Junpei and Akane the ability to jump made no sense.
Was I the only one that thought everyone might be a robot since they all moved like one? I know it was budget constraints but it have been funny as the big twist.
>>343795724
>throws the evil Q into the terminal
>it starts to explode
>"this is a good thing!"
>fucking just sits in the explosion
Carlos made this goddamn game
>>343800049
How the hell are you supposed to make
Mira not a psycho killer when you're bringing psycho killer Mira with you to do so?
>>343800529
>Kyle knows he won't exist unless some catastrophe happens and Siggy has to go to the moon
>knows about the annihilation reactors from VLR and figures something nuclear ought to work
>accidentally all 8 billion people
>>343799830
Carlos knew who it was though, on the first coin toss before he passes out he knows who he is but obviously whether they won the toss or not they got there memories erased so he wouldnt have realized he wasn't there.
>>343800304
>>343800167
I thought it was going to be some awesome note or artifact tying the entire story together. Instead it was just a dead dog. Fuck you zero.
>>343800687
>invisible Steve Jobs
>>343800503
Seacats never committed to its philosophy references. Every battle of wits just ended with 'no u' so the readers didn't get confused.
>>343800705
D team was useless and did nothing to complete their mission. Carlos, Junpei, Akane and Sean did all the heavy lifting.
>>343800236
it kinda makes sense, since the people copied by the transporter from one branch were sent to the "root" of all the branches
how the fuck is he an americanwell i believe he isblonde with green eyes named carlos
best husband tho i'd start a fire just so he would come to my house
>>343800687
>there was really another person there the entire time!
What a terrible twist
>>343800687
I have not, but I will check them out. Thanks.
>>343800763
how did he knew that? did he just jump at the last second? why would he do that
>>343800049
Short answer: no
Longer answer: Sending someone back doesn't make them exist in all timelines.
And there exist plenty of timelines in which Q+Eric+Mira are unable to move the snail, for some unknown reason.
That's the problem with multiverse, that everything means nothing in terms of plot because there exist just as many universes where X didn't happen.
I've cracked the code: Carlos is moe.
>Tooth-rottingly sweet
>Brain-rottingly dumb
>Addictive
Legit question. Just finished the game 20 minutes ago.Was the old fucker there for literally everything, and we never saw him because everyone just got used to ignoring him? I feel like he would've been really high on the list of people to fucking kill when Zero said 6 gotta die
>>343800424
>/aco/
>japanese art
???
I never used that board but
???
>>343800879
???
You know Carlos and Maria are not exclusively spic names but also Portuguese.
>>343800717
I'm fucking shocked that Gab wasn't. I'm pretty sure even I could do a better job.
>>343800424
Gross
>>343800969
>move the snail
is this how you kids call it these days
>>343800687
QUICK, choose a plotwist!
>Old Sigma
>Invisible Gendo Jobs
>>343794952
I like how it's called a paradox when the second analysis has a stipulation. Well no shit if he's never wrong you always take b.
>>343800879
I need a picture of this without the subs.
>>343800856
wouldn't it make more sense if it just created new timelines?
>>343801023
What team was he on?
>>343800725
His drop in value of his own life made the thing a million times more entertaining
>>343800961
>how did he knew that
>GEE THIS ONE OLD GUY IS MISSING
>>343801023
Yeah he was there for everything. People talk about him, you just kind of brush over it because you have no idea what they're on about. You even see his shadow in some cutscenes.
>killing an old, blind deaf man for sport
Is COMPLEX MOTIVEMAN the new Skullface?
>>343800687
I thought Infinity VNs had pretty bad writing desu, I appreciated how Uchi has grown by the time I played 999 and VLR.
(ZTD doesn't exist in my timeline, so I can't talk about it)
>>343800843
Exactly my point genius. D-Team should have been the one doing all the stuff C-Team did, since D-Team's entire point of being there was to shift around and stop the outbreak
>>343800969
>yfw the reason the runner changed her route was because there was three strangers pouring salt all over the path
>>343801063
Gab wasn't a robot, he was a muppet
>>343801023
They actually mentioned him a few times, you just didn't notice him.
>>343801105
I'll take accidental incest for 500.
>>343801105
One of those is not a plot twist.
>>343801167
he can't see into the other room, as evidenced by him seeing sean for the first time later on
>>343801230
>accidental incest
Comrade.
>>343801201
Two*
>>343801220
So he just kept rolling around in his wheelchair just to stay out of the camera angle?
What about all those times the entire room is in view?
>>343801132
it would, but the entire Zero Escape series was based on time paradoxes
>>343801150
Q team obviously.
>>343801220
I thought the old man Eric mentioned was just some other guy that joined th experiment and wasn't kidnapped. I forgot that Dcom only had 9 people.
>>343794269
Let him live. I know he's done some terribly sketchy shit but considering he technically saved humanity by dooming it he gets a free pass for now.What are the chances he'll be one of the protagonists in ZE4?
>>343801023
Realistically, the only one who would suggest killing him would be Mira but only if she didn't know who he was.
>when you learnall the wards are the same
>wait where does gab go
>reading files mentions that he has a little rug to sleep on inside the vents
>>343801165
>waits ten fucking months to keep a promise he made to some people on a different timeline
Admittedly he had been through a fucking lot with those specific iterations of Junpei and Akane, but goddamn Carlos.
In the ending where Eric tells Q and Mira about his past, why did she kill him?
Did her mind break because she realized all the awful shit he went through was her fault, and since she was a psycho autist, she didn't know how to deal with it?
Or was it because his heart wasn't as pure as she thought?
Who here got the fourth crossbow option BEFORE the big reveal?
>>343801339
Imagining Q frantically trying to avoid the cameras all the time is hilarious.
>>343801023
At the start of the Q team vote, Q is the leader and there all "but how can he...." talking about how he cant vote cause hes a blind deaf mute
>>343801220
The times they do 'mention' him is so pathetic it only seems off when you know the twist.
At least VLR had more hints to Sigma being a senile old fart.
Why didn't Q team question that there were only 3 Radical-6 syringes, not 4?
>>343801105
Old Sigma has tons of foreshadowing since beginning of VLR to the end. Meanwhile Morpheus in sweater...
>>343801339
>Old man frantically hides behind random pillars at random angles every few seconds
>everyone's just kinda used to it so they ignore it
>>343801457
without him vlr wouldn't happen since he busts out akane and junpei
he had to take the blame for the greater good
>>343801195
That would have left with the issue of D-team doing EVERYTHING (Zero's birth, shifting, VLR timeline...) while C-team and Q-team were completely useless and didn't add absolutely nothing.
>>343801339
He was on Q team, which didn't have many full room shots, and with the camera angles for Q Team, there was always a single spot not shown.
>>343801468
It's because she's just a crazy killer. That's what she is.
>the game's slightly faded color palette didn't turn out to be some weird plot point
>>343801516
cause Q didn't touch the thing that got them infected so there was no need for a 4th vial.
>>343801468
She realized that Eric is the son of her first victim and she was dying to finger his heart.
Was Gab a SHIFTer?
I'm re-reading the VLR Q&A for curiosity's sake. Here's some interesting answers Uchi gave:
>Q2: What happened to Snake/Light during the events of VLR? Did he search for Clover for 45 years, like how Junpei still searched for Akane?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it.
>Q10: Where is Aoi during VLR?
>This will be revealed on the 3rd game. Hope you guys look forward to it.
>Q21: What’s going on with Ace? Does he die or escape from prison when Radical-6 hits?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it.
>Q22: The cloak Akane wore in the End or Beginning, with the Free the Soul symbol on it, looked like it was the same as the one Snake wore in the true end of 999, which had the Free the Soul symbol as well. Why is that? I thought Snake’s robes were from when Lord Gordain ran the Nonary Games, so why is the Free the Soul symbol on Snakes’s robes?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it.
>Q24: Is there a possibility of Sigma and Phi being a couple? I know his body is old, but Phi DID say she showed herself in a swimsuit in one of the timelines…
>No, they won’t be a couple… I can’t tell you any more without it being spoilers, so please look forward to the 3rd game.
>Q37: Is it possible that Brother is somebody we already know from 999 or VLR? Or is he a new character entirely?
>It’s a secret. =^ーﾟ)b
>Q39: In ‘Another Time’, who is Kyle Klim? How can he swap his consciousness to his past self in 2028, when he didn’t exist in that time?
>He is a person who knows things that he should have not known. There is no specific rule that you have to be yourself to possess a psyche. In 999, young Akane and 21 year old Junpei communicated. The developed version is to be able to move yourself entirely, so if your frequency matches, then it is even possible to jump into another person’s body.
>>343801471
I didn't even think Delta could be at the bunker.
>>343801339
I'm pretty sure when were looking through the cameras is from his perspective, he had those glasses that could see the cameras so when ever were looking through a camera angle its probably though his magic glasses
>>343801471
How would you even
>>343801530
Both have tons of foreshadowing though.
>>343801339
hid behind the sofa, then wheeled like hell behind the bar counter
it's complexely in the realm of belief.
Wait. Can't you practically have an immortal life if you're using the transporter? Let's say esper A in his twenties found a transporter, he then store it in his house and in his forties, he decided to use it. First he swap his consciousness to his twenties and start using the transporter to make a clone in his forties era. He then shifts his consciousness to his clones in forties' era. Voila! He becomes young again.
>>343801468
Pretty sure it was much simpler than that. She blew her cover and didn't have the patience to bother correcting everything.
>>343793668
So, I played around 90 minutes of this game and until now it doesn't feel like a good game at all.
One hour or so was wasted by basically watching the same cutscene 6 times.
I played 999 and VLR and was enthralled by these games the second I started them, but in this game? Nothing.
Everything just feels kinda cheap. From voice acting (especially Zero 2) to graphics (hello Walking Dead 1) to the writing in general. With the flow mechanic everything just feels so disconnected.
I can now start with some puzzles but I really don't know. Does it get better Anons? Or should I refund the game instead?
>>343801414
>just stockpiles a bunch of cheese and sleeps all day
truly the only winner of ZTD
>>343801054
Video game smut goes to /aco/. Welcome to 4chan.
>>343801667
>Q44: Can all ESPers have the ability to jump, if under the right circumstances? If not, what makes Sigma, Phi, and ?/Kyle so special?
>Actually, in terms of setting, only a few number of ESPers can jump. And I can only say that they were born with these special powers. It’s the same as, why can Usain Bolt run 100 meters in 9.58 seconds? Of course it is a result of him undergoing intense training, but it doesn’t mean if everyone trains they can all run 100 m in 9.58 seconds either.
>Q47: Could you give us hints about Phi?
>Φ
>Q50: What happened to Snake and the rest of the 999 cast during the Pandemic and succeeding apocalypse?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look forward to it!
>Q52: I noticed that old Akane was wearing a ring on her ring finger. Is this a wedding ring? Did she end up marrying Doctor Klim or someone else? Or is there some other meaning behind the ring?
>She’s wearing the ring on her “right hand”, so it’s not a wedding ring.
>Q56: In the ZE universe, how long has Free the Soul been around? In question 44 from your previous Q&A centered around 999, you said that the robes worn by Snake were from Lord Gordain, who “conducted strange ceremonies in the incinerator” (along with friends) on the Gigantic/Britannic, which leads me to believe that Lord Gordain was also part of Free the Soul. But according to Seven, while talking behind Door [7] in 999, Lord Gordain died in the 1930s (1931/1932, I believe). If these two statements are correct, then Free the Soul existed at least by the 1930s, if not earlier. So when was Free the Soul established? And how did Brother manage to keep his brother’s DNA intact/uncorrupted until the technology to clone (Dio/Left, 4th generation Myrmidon leader) him became available? Also, when was human cloning invented in the VLR timeline, and when was the first generation of Left clones gestated?
>This will be revealed in the 3rd game.
>>343801516
Why didn't Mira kill Q when hopped up on Radical 6?
>Mira and Eric got married.
I found that hilarious. Eric knows all the bad shit she did, including being directly responsible for killing the only person that has ever trole loved him in his mom, and being the one who sent his Dad on the horrible path that led up to his brother's death, and knows that she just wanted to seduce him, make him fall for her and then murder him and take his heart, and he still goes "aw shucks. Who cares."
Stream next friday guys, don't miss it
>>343801675
Oh wait nvm even if it was from his perspective through the glasses you could still probably see him through the cameras if he was in shot, im stupid.
Guess just anther flaw .
>>343801691
After learning the babies' names but before announcing who Zero is. Just by trying random names you know.
>>343801654
Well, Dog spelled backwards is God after all.
>>343801852
>Q62: You said in the 999 fan Q&A that Seven received his scars fighting an international organization.With Ace’s connections to Free the Soul (highlighted in some of the secret files), is it safe to say Seven was fighting Free the Soul after he rescued the children from the Gigantic, since Ace’s affiliation would ultimately lead him to Free the Soul?
>Yes. That would be correct.
>Q64: It is mentioned in the game that Free the Soul was known as Free the Soul of Y before they dropped the “of Y” part. What is the significance of “of Y”, and why was it cut?
>It means “left eye of Horus”
>Q65: Is “Brother” still alive in 207X, or has he died? I recall Alice said he was a pretty old man, which means he was already old in 202X. And if he has died, has a “Brother” clone taken over Free the Soul, or did someone else become the new leader
>This is just between you and me, but he’s still alive. Whether he’s alive using secret powers related to his ESPer abilities or he just had the best doctors because of his financial stability to keep him alive doesn’t matter, but he is for sure still alive. According to one theory, there are rumors that his body as a whole had time slipped to another time
>Q78: Why wasn’t Santa with Akane on Rhizome 9?
>That’s because…
>Q81: Was Luna the robot who was created to look after K when he asked for a mother?
>Yes. In actuality she wasn’t created because K asked for her, but that’s probably what the young K interpreted.
>Q82: In 999, the young Akane sees events through Junpei’s eyes. Does she do something similar to see futures in this game?Also, where does Brother get his information from? Does someone transmit it to him?
>I don’t think young Akane was watching the VLR world through the eyes of Junpei Tenmyouji. However, old Akane’s consciousness can freely jump to different histories, futures or pasts. Brother gets his information from himself. He too is an ESPer.
>>343801772Maybe that's what Delta did and all the shit that he can't shift is just a lie
>>343801883
What stream?
>>343801802
Zero II is the best character in the game. Play it for him.
>>343801873
How does Eric know? He doesn't have his own shift powers.
>>343801667
Q10,Q21.Q22.Q24 and Q37 were answered in the game though.
>>343801802
it gets better, but expect ~2-3 hours of same cutscenes
>>343801964
>>343801852
>>343801667
>being autistic
Nigga just enjoy the game for what it is
>>343801948
And Gab backwards is... OH FUCK
>>343801713
Post examples of Delta foreshadowing.
>>343801895
It's retarded no matter how you turn it.
>>343802013
ZTD stream.
hitbox.tv / blick-winkel
>>343801883
next friday the 15th, or next friday the 8th?i still have the stream tab open and it says the 8th
>>343802013
anon streaming ZTD
we did 999/VLR several weeks ago for recap/lulz
>>343802026
Sean told them both everything
>>343795236
yeh, I think there's quite a lot of like about this game (although I use that term loosely) but it is a real step down from 999 and VLR and stuff like what you've mentioned is just unacceptable.
>>343801873
How did they get married? They literally DESTROYED the prison room she was in, they would both be hunted to death.
>>343801471
I did but i didnt realize why he shot the "camera" i wasnt all "ahhhh fuck hes delta" just assumed it was a joke put in that had no tie in with the gane
>>343801964
>Q84: Did Tenmyouji ever develop romantic feelings for anyone other than Akane in the many years he searched for her?
>The feelings he has towards Akane is beyond just romantic feelings. At the test site Tenmyouji found out about the great burden imposed upon Akane. I think he wanted to free her from her burden, so that is why he was looking for her
That's about it for questions relating to ZTD. Seems like Uchi was originally going to feature a lot more 999 characters in the game's plot alongside properly incorporating Kyle and "?". Also neat to see the twist of Sigma and Diana being Phi's parents was planned far ahead of time.
>>343801587
If Delta was on the Q team the entire time, what did they do with him when they fired the grenade Launcher in the Study room?
>>343802026
he accessed the field, it's like unencrypted cloud storage. everyone can know everyone's memories
>>343802132
>we did 999/VLR several weeks ago for recap/lulz
aww I missed it
>>343801667
>>343801852
>>343801964
Well a FEW were answered...
>>343802132
Next, so the 8th. I've updated the offline image so it should say the correct time.
>read the booklet
>Sigma so paranoid even thinks that Gab could be the one with Radical-6
>never suspects the mysterious old dude right there
>same for the "logical" Phi
>the ace defective never thinks that the less probable guy is obviously the culprit like in any cheap mystery novel
>Akane is too busy being waifubait to put 2 and 2 together
sure, whatever
>>343797107
he didn't start the cult , his adopted brother did.
he also didn't achieve immortaility , he just lived longer because he's an esper with SURVIVAL GENES turned on at maximum power.
he also didn't hate humanity , he choose to kill 6 billions people because the alternative was 8 billions dying.
are you guys EVEN paying attention to the plot ?
wait , this is 4chan , of course it's easy for idiots to spout mêmes instead
>>343801569
VLR happens without Junpei, Akane and Phi doesn't it?
The booklet explains that ZTD Akane is different from VLR Akane in that VLR gives ZTD info about the future.
After the ending that leads to VLR, she knows she has to do start all over again and keep going until she succeeds.
>>343802070
>criticizing a developer for going back on his words is autstic
>>343802109
He rolled over there while no one was looking tbqh
>>343802164
Prisoners can be married while in jail, anon
>>343802104
>There's an extra shadow in the decontamination room
>When the execution results have Q listed, some people feel bad because he probably couldn't hear or see it coming because of his handicaps
>>343801471
Me.
It was honestly fucking mind blowing. So many indecipherable pieces of foreshadowing come flying at you at once.
>he turns around and points the crossbow AT THE PLAYER
>eric calling Q "sean"
>"you chose HIM?" as if this were something they knew since the beginning
>latin voice out of nowhere
Definitely my favorite experience in the game. It's a shame that some people didn't try the 4th crossbow ending before Delta reveals himself.
>>343795724
honestly buying the 3ds version of this game was probably the worst decision i've made so far in 2016, what a shit port
>>343802207
Let him die with Sean
Sean's death doesn't reveal codes, only Q's does.
>Stopped reading HIgurashi to play ZTD
>Now that I continue reading it they mention parasites that control snails
Fucking Uchi
>>343802207
The explanation is complex.The whole Delta twist was retarded. Best to just forget the entire last hour of the game.
>>343794619
If you fail at disarming the bomb it activates the 3 ball puzzles. Failing any of those results in a quick game over scenario.
>>343802207
ducked behind the table, duuuuh
>>343802264
first one is a lie, he died young.
>>343799929
this beautiful, amazing guy here explains how he could have achieved immortality
>>343801471
I did, but I thought Sean was Zero at that time because of the Pod Room note that says Become Me with a Zero doll on it, and Junpei freaking out over Q being alive. I literally thought he was going to kill me, the player, but checked the log to write down the latin and saw Delta's portrait.
>>343802104the game's title is literally an anagram for "me I'm Zero I'm Delta"
>>343802109
people just ignore it and says DUDE IT WAS FORESHADOWED BY AMBIGOUS LINES AND SHADOWS PUT THERE EVEN IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE MODEL WHEN THE THE CAMERA SPINS! ARE YOU RETARDED LMAO!
>>343802256
In VLR Brother is an old man, so they're assuming Brother in ZTD is 45 years younger.
>>343801852
>>Q47: Could you give us hints about Phi?
>>Φ
>a circle split in two
>there are two phis
FUCK
>>343796054
kinda this, the writing (or at least translation) almost feels like satire at times. I remember, for example, when they are talking about the monty hall problem with locating the the radical 6 and I think it is junpei goes well now it's 50/50 and then akane says no and just passes out (even tho jinpei is correct)
>>343802609
>Delta's portrait
Got a screenshot? I must have missed that.
>>343802593
Twin ending is my favorite ending
>>343802292
>Q doesn't have a doll
HOLY FUCK I WAS WONDERING WHY IT DIDN'T SHOW SEAN'S DOLL.
>>343801468
She blew her cover by laughing at the story and showing she was a sociopath
>>343802726
junpei is not correct
>>343802692
That's the greek symbol for Phi, anon
>>343802689
this is bait
>>343802874
greek has to e's HOLY SHIT
>>343801471
I got it after the VLR ending
>>343802874
I know, your point?
>>343802104
1) Literal shadows from Delta in most Q team scenes (here http://imgur.com/a/44wYR are the shadows from Pop-off, for example).
2) "The old man in the wheel chair" dialogue
3) If you try to select "Q" in the "who to shoot" scene, it will say to select Q's real name. If you input "Sean," it will give an error. If you choose "me" or "myself," the game will say "you cannot commit suicide."
4) If you say that "Q" killed Mira, Eirc will say "that's impossible!," and if you select "Sean," or "me," he'll say "I knew it was you!"
5) "The truth is invisible" anagram
6) The parasite discussion
7) Carlos/Diana not knowing why they pressed the decontamination button, or the bad execution choice (mindhacking). Sean never claimed he didn't do it, as he can't be mindhacked.
8) The anagram about the 10 that Akane finds
9) The scene after the radical 6 is chosen to not be injected where Eric talks to Gab and calls him "Old man," he is actually talking to Delta. Both Eric and Mira are looking to the screen (to Delta), and Sean asks if they could speak.
10) Q never has a portrait in the status screen, but there is one of Sean inside the Study -
11) "Even Q ... he couldn't see or hear when" (when talking about Q team execution)
12) Sean in Pop-off says "you are all really important to me" rather than "you both are really important to me," despite the fact he only knows Q team.
13) When Akane/June transport to the VLR timeline, Zero reveals that he has a little sister
14) When Zero tells Sean about the "old man" who visited him.
>>343796702
to be fair I don't think the general ideas behind them are just the maths that supports them (which is same with a lot of stuff like i'm sure you have some understanding of what gravity is but you're not gona do mad maths about it).
>>343802479
Higurashi isbetter than this
Discussing ZTD on /v/ has been some of the most fun I've had in a long time though.
>>343796812
Ever heard of cabin fever?
>>343802726
Pls be bait
>>343802465
I mean when they blew up the glass during the puzzle sequence.
They climbed up the stairs knowing they'll fire the grenade, did they just not care about hurting him?
>>343802992
15) Eric says "I know the leader's supposed to decide who to vote for but...", because Delta is believed to be blind and deaf
16) Eric is suspicious of Sean because he isn't on the X-passes
17) If you try to shoot Mira, she will shoot twice before the X-pass notification comes on, because she also shoots Delta
18) Despite the fact that Carlos seems to know Q, he doesn't recognize the robot that looks like Sean
19) Towards the end of the C-team ending, when listening to the recording of Zero, Zero specifically says that he's dead in this timeline. This is also the timeline in which all of Q-team dies.
20) After Phi and Delta and delta are born, the status screen shows Q and Phi alive. Status before birth and status after birth
21) Decision game starts with "deci," which means ten
22) When Sean decides to stay behind after pressing the Decontamination button, he is staying behind for Q, and it becomes clear with close examination that Gab is chained to the wheelchair, and Q is the one staying behind. Sean is looking at the Camera (at Delta) when he says that he stayed behind because of him. And when they try to unchain Q, they are always trying to get it off the pole, and not off Gab's pawrevealed to not have been shot.
26) When Q team is drinking at the bar before the vote, there is a glass to the right of Sean, and since Eric and Mira already had drinks, and Sean can't drink, it must have been for Q
27) Zero Time Dilemma is an anagram for "Me? I'm Zero. I'm Delta"
28) One of Q's X-passes is "age," and another is "self." Thus implying that Q is the "old man" people mentioned, and Q is zero's "self."
>>343802726
Are you retarded?
>>343802726
But it isn't 50/50 you retard
>>343802907
Eye has two e's. Sigma lost one eye. Delta has one e in his name.
What if the snail is innocent? What if the snail was infected with one of those snail parasites and forced to kill 6 billions? Who is parasite? Who is the true mastermind in that case?
>>343802479
I'm glad I'm not the only one who inwardly compared the two.In my head plays a headcanon where both stories are in the same universe and the secret agency that funds Tomoko is actually Free the Soul, and that Radical 6 was created through research on the Hinamizawa virus
>>343802726
Junpei is wrong.
When Carlos picked the locker, he had a 1/10 chance, but when the announcer boils it down to two, she already knows where it is, so from her POV, it's a 1/2 chance, but Carlos made his choice with a 1/10 chance.
You should always switch
>>343803128
woops I kind of deleted like a retard
22) When Sean decides to stay behind after pressing the Decontamination button, he is staying behind for Q, and it becomes clear with close examination that Gab is chained to the wheelchair, and Q is the one staying behind. Sean is looking at the Camera (at Delta) when he says that he stayed behind because of him. And when they try to unchain Q, they are always trying to get it off the pole, and not off Gab's paw
23) In the ending of the VLR timeline, Sigma asks "a child?" When he sees Sean's corpse, despite the previous indications that he knew Q was handicapped in another scene. Q doesn't show up as dead in the status screen.
24) Generally, throughout C and D team fragments, they indicate they know Q at least somewhat, despite the fact that if you win the coin toss, it is revealed that no one seems to know Sean.
25) During "You are Zero," if you choose the identity of Zero wrongly, after Sean is dead, Eric shoots 3 more times despite the fact that only Diana and Sigma are left, and Gab is revealed to not have been shot.
26) When Q team is drinking at the bar before the vote, there is a glass to the right of Sean, and since Eric and Mira already had drinks, and Sean can't drink, it must have been for Q
27) Zero Time Dilemma is an anagram for "Me? I'm Zero. I'm Delta"
28) One of Q's X-passes is "age," and another is "self." Thus implying that Q is the "old man" people mentioned, and Q is zero's "self."
>>343802132
On twitch? Link?
To be honest, the most fucked up thing about ZTD is how many tragic as fuck timelines there must be...hell, there could be an infinite number of them and nobody even gives a fuck. It's even played for comedic value at times. Wow.
Do they ever refer to sean as Q in the game? i swear someone called him it once.
I still don't get the Monty Hall problem
>>343802886
What?
>>343796925
i still dont' know what mira or eric actually did
>>343803229
Uchikoshi or the Player for wanting sequels.
>>343802726
?????
>>343803275
an anon explained it as "collapsing all the 10% chapters into 90% because the collapser knows which one has the box and can't reveal it"
Alright but, overall, including the wholeMIND HACKstuff, did you enjoy the game? Do you still think Zero Escape is a nice saga?
My opinion is complex
>>343803274
Zero called him Q in the ending where Sean is left alone in the shelter. Nobody else ever called him Q.
>>343803119
They were never locked in the room, maybe they wheeled Q out into the hallway?
>>343803232
It's a lot more intuitive with 10 lockers, but if they just had 3 like the original problem it would've been too easy to stick and still get it right or vice versa.
>>343797124
the thing is I wish they spent less time animating the story and more time creating puzzles/making decent ones
>>343803275
imagine you are told to guess which door out of 1000 has a prize. then they get rid of 998 doors that dont have the prize and ask if you want to switch
do you really think you guessed the 1/1000
>>343803267
But at the same time, the same number of incredibly beneficial timelines exist
It's why they bring up that the only universe that "matters" is the one that you can observe
>>343803275
If your first pick is a goat, your only way of winning is to switch
If your first pick is the car, your only way of winning is to stay
You have a 2/3 chance of your first pick being a goat
If you switch you have a 2/3 chance of winning
>>343803432
I enjoyed the game, just not as a sequel.
>>343801471
>Get perceptive end before twin end by messing around with names for an hour
>Didn't even who Delta or Sean was
>massively confused
>Eh fuck it lets just keep going
why do people act as if the foreshadowing makes it a legit twist?
>>343802748
Just open the log whenever Delta's talking. His dialogue box shows a snippet of his face. Same for every character. It still shows it for the stand off though so you can get a glimpse of him early.
>>343798293
what are these files?
>>343803275
host can't reveal the winning door, therefore it's more likely to be there than behind a door you picked at random
>>343803564
Because not everyone spends their days drooling on their bib like you
>>343802292
>>343802396
That's all? No one fuckin talk about him directly. They talk about everything, they suspect everyone but they never talk about who is old man. No one even call Sean name until Delta appearance. Do you really think I will eat this shit after E17 and R11
>"Hey, Mira, who do you think this old man?"
>"Hey what if he pretending?"
He's one of most suspicious guys in entry trilogy, but everyone ignore him
>>343803564
2complex4u
>>343803432
Its got a shit ton of flaws the most frustrating one been completely getting rid of Kyle when Akane from VLR said to ?/blick that he was essential for the mission.
But I enjoyed it overall.
>>343803432
Despite the problems, the Zero Escape trilogy has a special place in my heart.
Can we all agree suddenly having aliens was the dumbest part of this game and served no purpose?
>>343796442
Post the Clover/Akane pic
>>343801635
And it wasn't suspicious to them how things were set up in threes?
>>343797124
If it really was that down to the wire, why the fuck did they waste time and money doing the terrible cinematics and hiring AAA VAs like Daisuke Ono and Sawashiro?
>>343797548
not even alice is on the level of eric, what a completely uninteresting character
>>343803738
I kind of liked it, since it's not very important. I just wish they were just related to the puzzles and not the transporter itself.
>>343803657
>no argument just petty insults
I see, so these are the people that defend ZTD
>>343803585
Well how about that.
>>343803586
The files on Carlos after the game.
someone with a good image make a new thread
>>343803432
I enjoyed it, but it didn't live up to the expectations set by VLR
>>343803660
They spent 5 days with him prior to ZTD though. They were probably suspicious of him at first.
>>343803738
Stupidest fucking thing i've seen in the whole zero escape series
would have made so much more sense if the wrote the machine as something like "shifters wanted to design a machine that could send actual data in the past and not just there minds"
instead they just went with "we found alien shitt yooo" and dont expand on it at all
>Eric shot a grenade launcher at point blank and it went off
IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT! Grenade launchers have a safety mechanism where it needs to spin a certain amount before it arms in order to specifically prevent it blowing up in your face!
>>343803660
Delta showed no signs that he knew what everyone was talking about so they didn't question it. He looks like an ancient old man who is at the end of his ropes so they don't question it.
If you saw an old guy in a wheelchair who you've been told is blind and deaf would you walk over to him, violently shake the chair and scream "RESPOND"?
>>343803486
Yes
I'm just that lucky
>>343804013
>Akane traveled backwards in time
IT DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT! Time only moves forward!
>>343803119
Why would a serial killer care about a random old man life?
>>343803786
That it's not more important is exactly what makes it so dumb
"There's aliens" and then they forget about it
>>343797262
This.
>>343803660
If delta was with everyone at the cells, then who flipped the coin?
>>343804013
When you shoot a blank at sigma, a blank would have killed him anyway.
In the incinerator scene, was Phi saying "I love you" to Sigma or to Diana? That "i love you" is fucking weird
>>343804021
>walk over to him, violently shake the chair and scream "RESPOND"?
not me, but anime people tend to do that
>>343804013
Well it didn't go off instantly and Delta could've tampered with it.
I was seriously hoping Eric was stupid enough to shoot it during the stand-off and kill everyone.
>>343803993
That sounds even more retarded.
>>343803909
We have a porn thread going if you want to post lewd.
>>>/aco/686662
>>343803432
ZTD has its flawed (majority of the soundtrack being reused songs, fragment structure makes choices less meaningful and important scenes/the general atmosphere less impactful, ZTD completely fucking dropping the ?/Kyle story alongside Left and Alice/Clover, Delta's overall plan being a complete and utter clusterfuck,) but overall I enjoyed it.
>>343804167
Both of them
It was very qt
>>343803660
Regarding Sean, WE as the players don't hear them call him Sean. WE'RE supposed to believe that there is no one else with Q team and that Sean is named Q.
Couldn't Delta have been Kyle Klim? Like, if they wrapped the plot to make that work? After all, Blick Winkel is also the player's perspective here.
This is something I want clarified. Were we playing as Delta or "?".
>>343804143
He wasn't.
>>343804167
Both.
>>343804021
Yes, especially if I was back from the future to stop a secret mastermind from releasing a virus.
Or if I played in a Nonary Game a year ago.
>>343804241
At first I thought he was Eric's alcoholic dad
>>343803738
It's only stupid because they didn't follow through with it. I was ready to get spooked by unknowable eldritch Lovecraftian bird-man-abominations from another dimension.
>>343803738
It would have worked if someone in the cast was an alien too, like Phi or even Mira.
>>343803432
I enjoyed most of it till the ending.
This should have been the case where we had like 6 really fleshed out endings and there was no true route.
I'd be down with a game that acknowledges there can be no "true end" when dealing with multiverse.
To be fair... there's no reason what I've said can't be applied to ZTD anyway.
Hell it could all be an allegory to show that players will just keep going and going until they find the "true ending" even if it's not the most satisfying or enjoyable.
>>343803564
do you really think you wouldn't notice a huge metal contraption where your eye is supposed to be?
do you really think you wouldn't have felt your face one single time and realized your skin is wrinkly as fuck
>>343803564
It's not a good twist. Anybody who tells you otherwise is a moron. The dialogue was clearly written so you would have no idea Delta is there. You don't ever see a glimpse of him either which is fucking retarded.
>>343804021
If I was in a room with someone, along with a deaf blind old man in a wheelchair, I would talk to that non-deaf person about the old guy. For example "What the fuck is he doing here?".
Finally, if Delta is pretending to be blind then they have to wheel him around, correct? Why do we NEVER see that?
It is a fucking garbage twist that would only exist in a Japanese game.
>>343804143
Free the Soul lackey who was helping set up the Decision game probably.
>>343804143
He wasn't, and then they all forgot because of amnesia drugs.
>>343804118
Why wouldn't Q and Eric say something about it?
>>343804013
>not disabling the safety mechanism
Step it up, chummer.
>>343803771
The cinematics were because Uchikoshi wanted to make the game for a new audience. He said a lot of stuff about making it more like watching TV for people who don't like to read.
Big-name voice actors aren't as expensive as you think. They don't get paid that much for individuals jobs. They make money because they get hired for so many roles.
>>343804174
>shifters trying to design a time travel machine because they can already time travel in some way and want to make it even better
>alien machine
Even if they expanded on the whole alien shit a bit more i don't think people would be wondering why its there, but theres never been one mention of alien technology in this series at all and they just throw it in there with out explaining anything
>>343804357
What part of "we the players are not supposed to see Delta" are you not understanding?
>>343804286
>Eric joins the game to get away from his home life
>Father follows him to the game and has him clean up his murders still
Mira was a mistake
>>343804243
You play as ? since ? is you. You also can watch the timelines where Q-team is executed.
>>343804243
?. ? is literally you, the player.
But ? was looking through the eyes of Delta. The player isn't Delta, we're just seeing the game through Delta's magic timespace glasses.
>>343804035
Nagito go to bed
>>343804354
So your defense for ZTD twist is criticizing a previous twist.
>>343804357
>For example "What the fuck is he doing here?".
But that did happen anon. Did you want it to happen in every single scene?
Also it's 5 days later, so presumably they got all the "what the fuck is this guy here for" out of their system by the time the decision game started
>>343804357
>It is a fucking garbage twist that would only exist in a Japanese game.
I take it you never played Heavy Rain? Shelby literally murders someone in one of the very scenes you control him in, and it's never shown until later.
>>343804357
He might have had partial blindness allowing him to still see light and shadows but nothing more than that, enough for him to be able to drive his wheelchair though.
>>343804539
I'm not defending anything, I'm pointing out that all of the twists in this series are particularly bullshit
If you don't think so, you were just too young when you played the other games to realize it
>>343804508
That's because of the Quantum Computer, please play the game before shitposting
>>343804406
>Q
I meant Sean*
>>343799351
the repetitions across everything whether it's picking up a new transporter heiroglyph card thing or having to select each screw or having to type in q's helmet password twice and of course watching the same 10 minute long acid scenes which contain 2 minutes of character exposition while everything else remains the same
>>343804495
>we the players are not supposed to see Delta
I know we're not MEANT to see him but I'm arguing that he's fucking INVISIBLE when he's not meant to be.
>>343804637
Oh, so he's only partially blind now? That's great. I'm glad the fucking PLAYERS have to explain the garbage in this game.
>Sigma literally ran around telling people he was from the future and the end was nigh
>>343804231
Check some. There is 15 people offscreen on picrelated. One of them is fanatic terrorist who will start nuclear war in future. Akane fuck two of them. Who they are?
>>343804540
>Did you want it to happen in every single scene?
This, we don't want redundant dialogues in these games.
Better keep time to repeat Carlo's job, we have slept for hours not necessarly! speech and all the others "important" things
>>343804760
I was in stitches.
>Hey why do you talk like that?
>The old man is getting on in years. We actually both jumped back our consciousnesses 45 years. Also my breasts are D cups.
>"TWIST WAS AN ASSPULL, WHERE IS THE PROOF?!"
>show proof
>"W-WELL, IS STILL SHIT ANYWAY! SNAKE BEING ZERO WAS THE TRUE ENDING!"
People moving the goalpost after being BTFO are pathetic. You got out-fucking-skilled by Uchi and got extremely butthurt.
>>343804540
But Sean never saw him for 5 days, yet he never asked "umm what about this guy, why is he named Q, why is he like this"
I'm really gonna have to replay Ever 17.
I remember thinking that theblick stuff felt convoluted, assspully and I didn't like how everyone got to go home in the end
It could have been that I read almost all of it in one sitting and was just really tired though.
>>343799713
He already wrote that exact premise though, Uchikoshi doesn't go THAT far in re-using things
>>343804630
So many game creators jumping around trying to make a name for themselves doing something Agatha Christie already did better 90 years ago.
>>343801339
The truth is invisible.
>>343804672
Can you explain that to me? I never got the impression that we're looking at other timelines with the computer. I thought only Sean was doing that.
>>343804919
>hand-waving is skill
Please reconsider...
>>343803564
It's a bad twist, but when people complain that there was no foreshadowing I don't see why I wouldn't point out that there was foreshadowing
>>343793668
>zero was born as a result of a game he set up
>there would be no game without zero
>there would be no zero without game
>at some point, something (game with zero or zero birth in game) had to happen first
my head hurts
>>343804813
It must... have been because of the vote... at 13:30.
>>343804813
Funny thing is that a lot of let's players/streamers still can't follow the plot for shit even after all that repetition.
Is hilarious how dumb people are these days.
>>343804241
My opinion is that Kyle took control of Delta during the decision games and used his mind hack on others to open more historias so the happy ending could be found.
>>343804919
>worst "that guy" infinity twist ever
>out-fucking-skilled by Uchi
>>343804937
No, Sean never saw *any* of them.
Sean was added when the decision game started, which is why Sean is new to all of them. This is why Q-team was suspicious of Sean because he was just suddenly there and no one knew who he was. Also when Sigma opens the pods when you go through the door of truth, he looks at Sean and says "who is this?"
>>343801297
Memories of the coin toss were wiped, so him not recognising Sean proves nothing
>>343804946
wow, I played it once and I didn't think any of that stuff
>>343804919
>it's a good twist because everything that could have easily spoiled it was written out for convienent moments
I see
>>343805062
This why I hate time loops. It's not like I can stop other people from messing around with them, but I vastly prefer time travel stories that don't use them.
>>343805203
That's what I said, Sean doesn't know any of them. But why didn't Sean ask who the fuck Q was, or at least why was he in a wheelchair and everything. He is curious as shit about Eric and Mira, but not about the man on the wheelchair?
>>343803432
I think that
999 > ZTD > VLR
I enjoyed VLR but it was definitely too vanilla. 999 being just sprites and text made me feel uneasy, scared of what could happen next. The game is not horror and is not supposed to get you scared, but VLR is way more light than 99 was.
The place isn't spooky, the deaths are quite simple ('Snake's' exploded body description was spooky at least), Uchikoshi didn't mean the game to be like that but they needed japanese people to buy it and apparently they were afraid that the game would be too spooky for them.
As for ZTD he did as he pleased and you see people dying and killing in many waysJunpei's head actually scared me but I'm a wimp.
I think ZTD is the game which Uchikoshi really wanted to do and VLR is something that could've been better but he was feeling pressured to make a 'lighter' game. Still a great game, but I enjoyed ZTD more.
>>343805379
Yeah I guess you have a point there
>>343804917
It was hilarious.
>DOOM
>DOOOOOOM!
>if this nigga don't shut the fuck up
I just wish wed be able to see Carlos take him down and send him to the cells.
>>343795724Honestly it's almost natural to think that he gets some sort of god complex after ZTD, and ends up being the religious fanatic all along. I dunno, it could be a fun twist even though I am 100% certain that Uchi doesn't give a fuck about the post ZTD world.
>>343804147
This irritated me so much. Blanks are fucking lethal at that range.
>>343800121
Because he knew they wouldn't be willing to leave Gab behind, so he removed the problem
>>343805379
Actually, wasn't there a "what about him, can he talk?" thing where you think they're talking about the dog, but it's really Q
>>343805062
Zero wanted to be sure he was born with his mind hack ability (again), which was one of the motives behind the Decision game.
>>343797651
Post some Phi
>>343797651
sshhh don't question it or it might go away
>>343805518
>if it wasn't for the religious fanatic...
>I wouldn't have got to meet you guys! :D
>>:D
