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>"competetive" Overwatch
I don't get it.
>>343768870
Out of 21 heroes only 3 are used. Look at the team comps.
>>343768326
Ster's decreasing enthusiasm for this game's incredible amount of bullshit is hilarious to see.
>>343768870
Both teams have the exact same composition.
>>343768985
I hope he goes back to playing real games soon so I can resubscribe to him
>>343769192
Yeah. His streams show how boring he is without editing.
>>343768326
You can't really say both compositions are the same when the two Wintsons are right next to each other on the right but aren't on the left.
So it's technically different.
>>343769376
I've found that's the case with every YouTube personality.
I've been a long time fan ofDunkeybecause of how original he is, but watching him in a stream is the most painful experience
>>343769442
Overbait much?
They need to implement class limits to competitive. Unless they do that it's going to be double Lucio for every team, MAYBE a Mercy once in a while.
HotS is more interesting to watch than OW.
>>343768985
Well, with all the hype he had for it, it's understandable. Did he say anything specific? (I don't watch his stream and stopped giving a shit since he doesn't upload anything.)
>>343769546
Wowwowwow, easy.
>>343768326
What were you expecting from an FPS with MMO influence?
>Tank
>Healer
>DPS
That's literally it, only doubled because of team size
>>343769535
No caps. Make it that double picks have diminishing returns (e.g. 2 Lucio's healing the same space for 70% of the regular heals or 2 anything's have longer skill cooldowns). But that actually requires a bit of intelligence and balancing, so it won't happen.
>>343768326
how is this competitive?
Do the players lose rank if they lose in these tournaments?
>>343769601
He uploads OW videos on his other channel, i think it's youtube/ster2
>>343769756
are you retarded
>>343769535
>play beta
>claim Lucio is overpowered
>"no anon, he's good, but there are situations where other healers are better."
>play at launch
>claim Lucio is overpowered
>"no anon, he's good, but sometimes you just need a mercy."
>competitive is released
>"HOLY FUCK LUCIO IS OVERPOWERED, SOMEBODY NERF THIS BANANA NIGGER!"
It feels good being right sometimes.
>>343769535
Class limits won't change much. Because there are no different weapons the meta will always consist of the same 6 heroes.
>>343768326
holy SHIT
>>343769756
>how are tournaments competitive
>>343768326
>>343768985
>>343769192
>>343769601
Who is this ster person?
>>343769725
double lucio heal doesn't stack. Most likely one runs heal the other speed or dual heal if they split up and they'd alternate the amped healing
>>343769192
don't worry, I don't think he's uploaded anything to his main channel in over a month anyway
Said it in a thread a week ago.
TF2 doesn't have this problem because every class fills its own niche, is unique and can be in a format where you need one of each or can pick which you want with a few limits.
Overwatch will always be a case of "this character is the best Tank/Healer/DPS so never pick anything but multiple copies of them", and certain characters will go unused because their niche is filled by another, better.
>>343768326
Anyone who expected some serious competetive action in a game as casual as Overwatch is a deluded fool.
It's as simple as it gets, it's fun, but the thought of creating any kind of competetive league and casting those matches sounds laughable.
>>343769991
YouTuber popular for playing TF2 and being an okay soldier
Buff Zenyatta's mobility somehow. He can't do shit against a half decent Tracer or Genji.
>>343769851
Lucio isn't overpowered at all, he's just a really fucking great character and essential to almost any team just like a Mercy is. But having two Lucios with two amped up heals turns matches into a total slog.
>>343770056
but 6v6 comp is almost always 2 scouts/ 2 soldiers/ 1 demo/ 1 medic, and the latter two are specifically limited to 1 because they're too good in multiples
>>343769851
>Lucio
>overpowered
In what universe? His heal is simply too slow on its own, and he's squishy and easily cornered by winston, tracer and genji. Mercy has the strongest heal in the game and the fact that you can focus it on one person does MORE in a team-fight than Lucio's piddly AOE heal, which still has his teammates drop in an extra hit or two. Also, Mercy has a fantastic escape option, which makes her a bit trickier than Lucio to kill AND her ult charges incredibly quickly and often turns the tide of battles. Zenyatta is the only questionable healer, but he should never ever be a sole healer in any situation.
>>343769601
Here's his other tweet.
>>343769991
Old TF2/whatever youtuber. Made pretty great and funny videos desu.
Nowadays he's just another boring OW streamer.
>>343770056
Don't pretend TF2 comp wasn't just
Medic-Scout-Soldier-Demo-Sniper
>>343768326
why 2 lucios? auras don't stack
>>343769991
Guy on Youtube who played a lot of tf2 including in tournies. Then he was one of many tf2 youtubers that Blizzard decided to entice with access to the Overwatch beta around a year ago.
>>343768326
>memewatch has worse meta than wow
JUST
>people just now realizing how casual and retarded this game is
>>343769546
That's going too far.
>>343770254
>TF2 comp
>Sniper
>>343770254
>5 classes out of 9
Not bad compared to 3 classes out of 22.
>>343768326
What do people even see in overwatch?
Im not trying to shitpost just a question, i played the beta but got bored after a few hours. Matches only last 5-10mins because the forced 6v6 only.
I would understand if they let you 20v20 or at least 15v15 but only 6v6? It gets boring way too fast
>>343770268
>two different auras up
>or spread out the healing
>time ults to chain together
>he's still hard as fuck to hit, especially with two winston bubbles constantly being up, meaning he's great at contesting those points
>>343769535
I'm really unsure if the entire initial concept isn't to blame.
Let's be honest here: Overwatch is TF2 + a MOBA. Rather than 9 classes with customizable loadouts, we have 21 characters which each represent a different way a class might be played (melee tank vs. bullet spam tank). And honestly, that's an alright concept. Each character is specifically designed for a given playstyle, rather than some weird combinations just being discovered to work (demoknight) but utterly undermines the original point of that class.
However, it also has MOBA influences, and what do most MOBA have? Hero picks. Each team is asymmetrical and can't have the same heroes. So you end up with certain combinations being good against other combinations and some nice interplay between them all.
Overwatch's problem is that it needs to choose. It cannot have both. You either have a setup like TF2 (pick from classes, can have duplicates, each class has a purpose) or you can have a setup like MOBA (hero picks).
Of course, the latter would require more heroes than what we have right now, and it'd instantly draw comparisons to DOTA2. And they'd have to do more work, of course, and it'd fuck up the balance even more.
Overwatch isn't bad or a clone of anything, not what I'm saying, but it doesn't know what it is yet. It wants to be something new, but most things aren't original to begin with. It needs to focus on what works.
>>343770268
constant speed and constant heals. since they're in communication with eachother, they can alternate auras between amp ups as needed.
>>343770268
>heal + speed
>alternating amp it up heal
>double heal for splitting up lucio+winston+tracer
>>343770413
TF2 bab detected
>>343770246
kek
>>343770368
occasionally one scout will switch out for sniper, I think it's based on how good a given map/point's sight lines are
>>343770278
He stopped playing tf2 long before overwatch beta came out.
>>343768326
Isn't this old?
This comp doesn't work anymore now that people have learned to use 76/Reaper
KOTH is much more varied
>>343770192
Yes, but you also often see Spy/Sniper plays, and Pyro/Engie/Heavt when defending last. Also, people use different weapons. For example there are some Demo mains that use booties instead of pipes, trading off mobility for firepower. Some soldiers use shotgun, one medic runs often crits/vaccinator, while other use the medigun only. The 6s meta is diverse, even if it doesn't seem so on the outside.
>>343770413
t. tf2 shitter
I never thought there would be anything dumber than competitive tf2, then this came out
>>343770490
OPs image is KOTH anon. Their picks are designed to abuse the overtime mechanic of the game.
>>343770497
Good point, completely forgot about alternate weapons. It's true that stock is generally the most popular option but it can be cool to see direct hit use or otherwise.
>>343770490
It's old because people have put a self imposed ban on it.
>>343770547
>I never thought there would be anything dumber than competitive tf2
You know that competitive vaping is a thing now?
>>343770192
>>343770254
Yes, but you can actually switch them out at times depending on the map to accomplish certain things.
There's literally no reason to pick anything but the highest DPS damage dealer in OW. Or the healer that heals any less than the fastest.
>>343770194
If this were remotely true, then we wouldn't see double Lucio every match.
>>343770254
Heavies on last.
>>343770701
>then we wouldn't see double Lucio every match.
I don't think I've ever seen it. And when I use Winston, I'm always sure to punish the fuck out of him.
>>343770537
Overwatch is distinctly the more causal game.
>>343770490
No. These comps were used yesterday
>casual overwatch
>>343769192
I'm just waiting for jermas next big video.
>>343770347
>Thought Overwatch sounded interesting
>Watched beta gameplay
>Pharah's jetpack
>Junkrat's ult and satchel jumps
>Roadhog's health and massive heal
>Reinhardt's shield
>Mercy's ult
>nope
>tfw you didn't buy it and hype is already dying
>>343770795
Your point would be valid of we weren't discussing the high level competitive and not Quick-Play for Golden Guns.
>>343770246
ster is getting redpilled?
>>343770592
And that doesn't happen anymore because a single Reaper with support deletes Winstons/Tracers
Here's a KOTH from the last alienware tourney
>>343770857
Link? IIRC neither of those teams place very high
>>343770932
You should watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWBCR8Q24k
>>343770254
And each of those classes had multiple different loadouts.
>Blizzard once again killed their own game
Fucking kek.
>>343771067
I'm not sure that he was ever a huge fan of competitive TF2 either, or if he was it was a relatively brief period.
>>343770862
>implying hero switch dont happen in comp. OW
But of course, lets just nitpick that one picture from OP
>>343771095
nah, comp TF2 players generally stick with stock weapons
>>343770828
I think both games are laughable in terms of competitiveness but tf2 is even more casual.
>>343771081
Did that alienware tourny allow hero stacking or not?
The more I play this game, the more I wish BF1 was out. Or I just feel like going back to csgo.
>>343771081
gosugamers/v/76033375
05:23:41 for C9 vs Galeforce double winston/lucio/tracer mirror
>>343771207
Did you misread the post that other post was pointing to? Not only do you have class switches in TF2, you have slot variability.
>>343768326
Come back Star_
>>343771220
>tf2 is even more casual
The existence of fall damage and ammunition alone kinda invalidates this.
>caring about the integrity of "esports"
>wahh overwatch is too casual
>muh competitiveness
why are gamurs so enamored with the idea of their hobby being taken seriously as a sport?
fucking league of legends and cs:go are the most popular games and they're both entry level shit. low skill requirement and how casual it is obviously has no bearing on how popular a game can get as an esport
>>343771216
I find that incredibly hard to believe unless there were rules that demanded it.
Even things like Natasha have their uses.
>>343771180
He's 1v1'd competitive soldier players and took part in youtubers vs. comp team matcheshe got annihilated in both, they all did
>>343771220
you're an idiot
>>343771216
>generally
Key word. At least half the teams in ETF2L prem also use non-stock/regular weapons.
>>343770192
That's only because comp players and various leagues enforced that as the only viable setup for years and banned anyone else that thought differently. TF2 competitive scene has been a closed-minded club of shitters that hate actual competition and strategy for a long time now.
>>343771054
>10 million + people playing
>TF2 peak 116k now 65k and still getting less and less people each year.
>>343771445
who mentioned TF2
>>343771315
Because you say so?
>>343771445
10 million unique players, not playing all at once, dipshit
>>343771339
This holy shit.
What the fuck happened. Nowadays if the game doesnt have competitive scene then its shit.
>>343771445
>argument from popularity
So what changes would you make to the classes so that stuff like this happens it can be anything except making it so that Lucio's aura boost takes longer to recharge
>>343771339
>why are gamurs so enamored with the idea of their hobby being taken seriously as a sport?
Because that benefits gameplay balance and quality, nothing is more fun than a non-shitty shooter with equal ground for any player where the only thing that matters is skill.
eSports is cancer, but at least it benefits game design (when they try, unlike Blizzard).
>>343771278
Unknown
>>343771304
Sigh fucking niggers
This shit needs to be fixed, just when I thought the scene was diversifying
>>343771518
Well you just said so in your own post while giving even less reasoning.
>>343768326
>>343768870
This is what happens when the game is shit and people play it for money, they go for the win
and in KOTH, you need mobility to contest the shitty overtime rules
>>343771220
>Movement inspired by Quake
Yea roight m8
>>343771445
Are you actually retarded enough to think that 10 million are playing right now?
10 million people bought the game. This is also split between 3 platforms.
According to steamspy, TF2 had 2 million active players in the last two weeks. And that number is growing.
>TF2 fags are STILL butthurt
Competitive was released less than a week ago and balance isnt perfect!? Wow!
Keep crying faggots, OW is one of the iggest games rn and is only growing
>>343771518
Kill yourself
not the anon you replied to btw
>buying Skyrim: Multiplayer Edition
kek
>>343771339
I don't care about esports, but matches were the game is taken as seriously as possible are always fun to see, and they really test out the capabilities of the game
>>343771054
>>Watched beta gameplay
>>Pharah's jetpack
>>Junkrat's ult and satchel jumps
>>Roadhog's health and massive heal
>>Reinhardt's shield
There's plenty of shitty/annoying things in this game but your list is absolutely not any of those things you dumb cunt.
Like what, how is Pharah's jetpack what turns you off instead of her q of the game?
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343771670
>People were playing the exact same game for months and Blizzard ignores almost all imbalance
>>343771067
Someone asked him to go back to playing TF2 and he said fuck off. So no.
>>343770929
Holy fuck, it's THAT bad? Why is there absolutely no form of matchmaking in casual?
>>343771216
That's generally because of how valve balances the game. You play comp to win, so when valve has a balance policy of stock is best, everything else is just a sidegrade only beating stock in certain situations, you'll go stock. Although people do use different weapons in highlander.
All you faggots are ignoring the fact that this is only a thing on KotH maps. All other game types have diverse picks to choose from. But no, all the TF2 shitters are coming out of the woodwork to act like their dying game is any better when class stacking in that game was just as bad on certain maps.
>>343771339
Because people can't stand anything becoming popular. They want the most boring games because they are "complex" and they require "strategies" go watch a Chess tournament if you want that.
It's one of the reasons why Football is the most popular sport to watch, it's simple and fun.
>>343771718
I'm not the kind of casual retard who's going to complain about Tracer
Roadhog is an unstoppable juggernaut, Reinhardt is almost necessary to push and the team gathers around him, being able to kill half the team from around a corner with Junkrat's ult is retarded, and I'm used to characters with powerful weapons having to be good to maneuver, not them having a jetpack and a satchel they're invulnerable to
>>343771763
They didnt though, theyve already fixed both McCree and Widow
They also nerfed Zenyatta heavily which was kinda stupid but yeah Zen needed a nerf from the beta
Plenty of stuff was fixed from the beta, but even Jeff Kaplan himself said that it will probably require 1-2 seasons of competitive mode to get the balance the way they want it to be, which is a reasonable statement
>>343771352
Many alternate weapons are banned from official comps
>>343768326
This only happens in koth.
>>343770194
>>343770701
Single Lucio is mediocre. Double Lucio is good.
>>343771689
>Skyrim: Multiplayer Edition
The fuck is wrong with you anon?It's clearly Farcry 3: Multiplayer Edition
>>343771591
>fun is worse than muh comp balance
So Serious Sam, UT99, any and all build 3 games, System Shock, Deus Ex, Half Life, Terminator: future shock, Hexen, Wolfenstein:ET and dozens if not hundreds of other FPS games aren't allowed to exist because everything should be Q3?
Neck yourself my man.
>>343771906
This. Mobility is key on KOTH maps and these heroes just happen to have the best mobility.
Lucio is pretty much the only mobile support.
D.va would probably get picked if she was buffed.
Genji not being picked is the real question, although Tracer still beats him in mobility.
>>343770302
FUCKING BASKETBALLS HANZO IS HORSESHIT
>>343771979
Junkrat's ult sucks though. At low level people die to it like crazy, but once you start playing with people in most cases it'll be destroyed before it's near anyone.
>>343771979
Literally git gud you shitter
Just learn how to counter heroes
>>343771828
He's been playing the same fucking game for 6-7 years now. Prolly having to play for more than 5 hours a day to make videos. I would actually be surprised if he didn't tell him to fuck off
>>343771339
Low entry point sure but god luck vs some high diamonds or challenger players in LoL.
You will not even see them coming
>>343769535
We mercy's are in competitive you know.
>>343772121
We're talking about online shooters here, you fucking retard.
>>343769725
That's retarded.
Blizzard should do what they should of done in the first place.
Make characters versatile. Stop trying to balance the game based off counter picking and make it a situational pick focused game. Make every character extremely strong. Take out obvious shitty weaknesses and improve their skillset.
Solider, Pyro, Scout, Heavy, and Demoman are all extremely versitile. Heavy and Medic can take out a sentry, but so can Pyro and Medic and so can Demoman by himself and Solider by himself or with Medic and fucking scout and one other can take out multiple sentries, no medic necessary.
TF2 during class specific updates is the perfect example of how a game like this should be treated. This games classes are so niche and worthless, and the concept of ults is so stupid that it means to properly balance it they would eventually have to reduce them to pure AoS characters that only are useful for skills and can't do shit with their left click.
Not only that, but the maps are the most imbalanced shit I've ever seen. I really wonder from the competitive playtest what the fuck Blizzard actually does with playtest data.
>>343770056
Its going to get worse when more characters are added. There aren't many if any niches left to fill. They'll have to be really careful with the balance.
>>343771419
You know literally nothing about comp tf2, shut the fuck up you stupid ignorant shitposting nigger fuck
No classes or team comps were ever banned in tf2, those are the standard team comps because those are objectively the best fragging classes
>>343772327
And almost all those games have online play, you fucking retard.
Hurry up with that noose.
>>343772314
>pick a dps character
>get enough kills then switch to mercy
>healing done
Kek
>>343772072
They didn't fix McCree, they nerfed him. Now he has issues going the other way.
Zen is messed up worse now though.
It really makes you think huh?
>>343772465
Okay, but only if you do it, too.
>>343772564
hopefully id wont fuck up quake champions
>>343771164
fuck off jew
Overwatch will be fucked when they add their newest hero.
>>343772526
Nope.
Mercy the entire game.
I have it recorded but OBS borked the sound.
Mercy has higher DPS than Captain America but less than Phariah.
>>343772251
I know how to counter heroes
The problem is that rock-paper-scissors is three things, and Overwatch has 21 heroes
>Guys lets get rid of the hero limit what can go wrong.
>>343771847
Theres not in competetive either. I'm ranked 73 and I will still get matched up with 30s and 40s
>>343768326
>game meta is more stale than league
lmao it also plays like a moba
>calling a commentator a caster
>>343771339
CS:GO has a very high skill ceiling. I know you don't like it, and are probably going to respond with some laughing anime girl and a >high skill ceiling while posting that deagle webm, but it does.
And when people are competitive in games, it makes an opportunity to get more balanced games. The reason this game is a joke is because they can't decide if they want to focus on one or the other and are doing both like shit.
>>343770413
>What do people even see in overwatch?
fun
>>343772638
they will fuck it up, any game that comes from a big studio will inevitably be ruined
>>343772638
They declared that it will be a hero shooter so don't hold your breath
>>343772863
DOOM wasn't ruined
2x Lucio 4x Zarya is the best comp
>>343772662
I don't even know how you design a new tank to be a pickable hero when Zarya is a tank/support who does splash damage and has one of the biggest game changing mindless ults. Winston has mobility and chasing with a shield. Reinhardt has THE shield, and D'Va has mobility and is about to get a buff.
You would have to make someone do one of these jobs just better to make people choose the new one over the olds ones.
Competitive autism ruins non-competitive games all the time.
Compfags need to stick with fighting games (NOT Smash Bros), Counter Strike, or their shitty little MOBAs.
Leave other games to people who actually like having fun and aren't obsessed with trying to validate their hobby through esports shilling.
>>343772914
Doom's MP was god awful and Quake is going to be a MP only game.
>>343772763
All this post proves to me is the new Quake is going to be shit.
>>343772542
Yes and that fixed McCree
>>343772678
Nice buzzwords
You obviously dont know how to counter heroes If you think that Junkrats ult, one of the worst ults in the game, is unbalanced or stupid
>>343768326
That's what happens in competitive play. People take what is considered OP and sticks with it until someone finds something even more OP or it gets nerfed.
>>343772334
I like you
>>343772914
while doom isn't completely terrible it is way worse off for pandering to more casual players and console players
>>343771315
>random crits
>>343772996
DOOM's MP was outsourced to another company, ID only worked on the singeplayer
>>343772526
>48 blaster kills
wow ur gud at reeding
>>343772464
Not that anon but your a fucking retard.
>Best fragging classes
>best fragging
>fragging
How long you've played tf2? 32 hours? 50 hours?
The best classes in the game are the classes which are the most mobile. Demoman, soldier and scout are all extremely mobile. Heavy himself can dish some serious damage but he's just a fucking target when he's revved up and a single headshot can make him lose half his health
>>343772314
>We mercy's are in competitive you know.
Yeah no shit, look at those skill levels
>>343773115
And the Sp was still bad.
>>343772638
It's going to be a hero shooter so it's going to be shit.
The most valuable thing in a FPS, and in life in general is speed and maneuverability. In games of input skill this is all that's ever going to matter. The best character will always be the fastest one with the most options to move in special ways.
Hell that is why you can't even put tanks on the ground in real life unless you control the air. Will instantly get btfo by jets or helicopters because they have more freedom of movement. And hey, even in a game like this tanks are btfo.
>>343773059
>nice buzzwords
I didn't even use a fucking buzzword, what?
Any of the heroes in the game can shoot junkrat's wheel, are you sure you know what "counter" means?
>>343772334
t. valvedrone
>It's a /v/ pretend any shooter with a large selection of classes sees more than a handful used in comp play
were you also bitching about soldier fortress 2?
>>343773209
I placed at 47. :^)
Now its my goal to get to lvl 1.
the lowest I can seem to get is 35 before bieing a shitter with hanzo wins and doesn't lose matches anymore.
>>343773252
nice response
>>343772825
They're called Screamlords.
>>343773346
so was this >>343773079
>>343773209
The average comp is usually running a Mercy and a Lucio. Usually they run the Lucio so Mercy can pocket a DPS so she doesn't have to worry about healing as much.
That and her ult is the most broken ult in the game.
KOTH is where Lucio shines because Mercy just isn't as mobile as Lucio.
>>343773252
>Thinking you can prove a four paragraph post wrong with a buzzword
WEW
>>343773419
are you okay
>>343773294
you mean scout fortress 2?
you mean demo fortress 2?
>>343773294
The only useless class in TF2 was Spy idiot.
>>343773485
The by far most popular and default cookie-cutter setup in comp play was 2 soldiers, 2 scouts, 1 demo and 1 medic.
>>343773294
>it's a "/v/ makes a sweeping generalisation in an attempt to distract from a blizzard game's flaws when really the statement only applies to like 1 other shooter with a selection of classes" episode
>>343773469
His post consisted entirely of buzzwords
>>343773294
>9 classes
>4 often used in competitive, 3 more are used on occasion
>7 out of 9 classes see competitive play
>this is comparable to a game with 21 classes
>>343772314
>level 369
>rank 37
wow what a shitter
>>343773645
You telling me that people weren't playing the 21 other classes in Team Fortre- oh wait, there are only 9.
>>343773485
Let's be honest. If there were no limits to class picks everyone would just play Medic and Demoman.
>>343773868
playing demoman at a competitive level is harder than playing any hero in overwatch
>>343772334
>should of
>Caring about e-sports
No thanks. When this starts happening in ranked mode maybe I'll be mad
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343772334
You're basically praising blizzard for what they did with wow after WotLK - homogenization.
>>343774225
no bully
>>343771863
How the fuck do you miss the toilet like that?
/v/ has been bashing the smash community for years for taking a "casual party game" seriously, but when it comes to Overwatch that's fine. Why the double standards?
>>343774282
MMO's are dog shit non skill based stat filters so I don't give a shit about that nor do I play shitty pay to play games like that.
But homogenization of ability IS good in FPS because FPS are about the individuals skills. Most classes should be as capable as others.
>tfw Overwatch made me realize that I hate FPS games that have "abilities"
I'm not saying Overwatch is a bad game but it's just not for me. I prefer a more "boring" FPS game where movement and aiming is more important than abilities and luck (netcode etc.). Sadly, I don't know of any modern FPS games that suit my preference. Squad and Insurgency look pretty good I guess.
>>343774542
buyer's regret
doubt most teenagers have a wii
so what? I don't play or watch these e-sports.
The handful of autismos who do will always try and stretch and push shit to be OP as fuck, unless every team in ranked starts running the same comp then it doesn't mean shit.
>>343768326
That match actually looks like it would be hilariously interesting to watch...
>>343774630
>FPS are about the individuals skills
except in overwatch it's all about team composition, synergy and coordination
>>343769851
overpowered and being the a godly support and in some type of maps the best support are different things
>>343772334
The thing is, if you just male everyone super versatile, you'll just end up like league where everyone is the same and you only pick based on who riot forgot to readjust numbers on the last time they nerfed half the roster.
>>343771164
Why would i want bad games and jewery?
>>343774542
Nobody here takes Overwatch seriously, but they take TF2 seriously because they are Valvedrones.
>>343774670
>Even quake is becoming a class based shooter
>FPS will never be based off high skill ceiling hardcore abilities again because most people can never get good enough to properly play them
What the fuck happened? People even say Overwatch is fast when you walk slower than in CS:GO.
>>343774780
It was neither hilarious nor interesting. Just boring.
>>343774542
>/v/ is one person
Casual faggots need to fuck off from Smash and Overwatch both, in my opinion. This is coming from a Street Fighter faggot who plays more casual games for the fun of it. If you wanna get competitive, pick up a game that's meant for it, don't force your autism where it doesn't belong. Even Pokemon has a competitive scene these days and that's just pathetic.
>>343774832
No. It's about picking the guy who makes you move fast while also heal all the time and picking a character with a very high DPS when you just aim and shoot as much as possible, while also moving very fast.
The way people stop this is by picking other characters that can move very fast, which just so happens to be the exact same character.
>>343768326
Ster mentioned it in one of his streams how retarded this was, and that Blizzard should enfore a one hero limit for competitive.
>>343771445
>le 10 million playing meme
Fucking retarded blizzdrone, KYS
>>343774780
Its just both teams trying to put bodies on the point to exploit being able to reset overtime constantly. This shit happens in pubs all the time, people just swap to Tracer or D'Va at the very end.
>>343774780
It isn't. You can barely see what's going on. All you see are gorillas constantly jumping around and dropping their shield all over the place - imagine being able to see anything behind 4 shields. Then you have 4 tracers blicking so much you can't even spectate them properly. Lastly you have lucios which are the only ones skating around.
It's basically a poke constest between tracers and gorillas slapping each others while the lucios skate around healing everyone in a never ending battle.
>>343774839
Except this isn't a AoS and it's closer to an arena shooter so that would not happen.
In LoL characters do all the work for you if you remember to press qwer at the right times. The actual skill of input is basically non-existant.
>>343772464
Spotted the esea 6's shitter.
Class restrictions, weapon restrictions, and unofficial "offclassing" bans have been a part of the tf2 competitive scene for years. The 6's community is nothing but a good-old-boys club for players that hate actual competition and fanboys to fawn over wannabe ecelebs.
When official TF2 matchmaking was first announced, the 6's community immediately went to their soapboxes to cry and demand weapon bans and class limits under the excuse that certain class comps and weapons would cause stale gameplay, when the reality is that extreme class and item restrictions is what has caused stale gameplay and why TF2 never took off as a successful esport.
>>343774779
>unless every team in ranked starts running the same comp then it doesn't mean shit
Everyone already does, low rank shitter. It has been this way even before ranked.
>>343768985
This is my favorite part of it all. He was the biggest shill I knew of for Overwatch, long before the general public got to play it.
>>343772114
I'm referring to the fanbase and how popular it is despite the fact that it's shallow and dumbed down.
They should honestly just make you pick your character before finding a match so a semi decent team can be put together
I'm not a shill but:
>Counter-Strike
>Slow and methodical
>Suitable for e-sports because even retards can understand that there are two teams and you shoot your gun to kill the other team
>Overwatch
>Fast and chaotic
>Not suitable for e-sports because there's so much fucking shit going on, so many ability effects blocking your view that nobody will understand what the fuck is going on
>>343771847
Player rank is meaningless, matchmaking in casual is determined by hidden mmr. Though this goes out the window when you're dealing with 6 man premades.
>>343771847
did you noticed how he didn't showed the names?
probably premade team
>>343774862
>I can't read
>>343772853
Then please explain why do you think Overwatch is fun. Saying that something is "fun" is a non-argument.
>>343775530
ability effects don't really block your view though. If you want an example of that look at battleborn
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343775617
i play with my friends and have a blast
>>343774984
How about we balance heroes instead?
>>343772763
lmao 5tracer
5tracer!!!!
>>343775530
since league of legends cancer, every fucking game pushes e-sports shit
it's fucking disgusting
>>343773106
They are off by default in competetive mode. So is damage and bullet spread.
>>343768870
Stacking low skill heroes, since they are more consistent picks due to requiring less user input
The comp in the OP is the perfect cancerous 0 skill comp, here's how it works:
>tracer has no way to lose to lucios even if she's much worse 1v1
>the worst winston will fend off the best tracers no matter what, 0 skill involved
>lucio has an auto-heal aoe aura that nullifies most of winston damage
That's it. This comp almost has the same technical skill of a moba, except the strategy portion is super simplified compared to mobas' maps/items/gameplans etc.
Blizzard has turned a shooter running on a shooter engine into a more simplified version of dota with their dogshit balance philosophy alone. The mechanics are all theoretically there, you just should not pick around them or you have more chances of losing, you are encouraged to pick auto-pilot shit.
It's typical blizzard sucking shit at balance and ruining their own games.
>>343775617
o look it's this robofag again
>please explain emotions to me
>>343775026
nice refutal, but you missed some more memes to further prove your point.
>>343773115
Here's the wonderful company that is developing Quake Champions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saber_Interactive
The game is going to be complete shit.
>>343774670
>Sadly, I don't know of any modern FPS games that suit my preference
Unreal Tournament 4, you retard.
>>343775530
you're not incorrect. CSGO's esports scene is a bizarre chimera of match fixing, gambling, and people idling for item drops, though. it's very messy and shady compared to the other Valve esports scene in Dota 2.
>>343768326
This is a game about counters isn't it?
Why isn't one team switching to double of whatever counters each character there?
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343775242
Lol ok. I'm rank 62 and I've never ran into this set up
>>343775756
>>Blizzard has turned a shooter running on a shooter engine into a more simplified version of dota with their dogshit balance philosophy alone.
I was genuinely surprised that Overwatch feels more like a MOBA instead of a shooter.
>>343775930
the best counter is the same character
>>343775530
>Overwatch
>fast
Nigga wat. One of my main problems when playing the beta was how damn slow the game was and how much it lacked mobility.
>>343768326
Im just completely ignoring that side fo the game and hoping for a an vs. Machine Mode to come along where I can play this game along side friends.
>>343775756
AYYYY
They're all just stalling forever with the retarded overtime mechanic waiting for someone to fuck up or hit a lucky ult.
>>343775930
the best way to counter the perfect comp is to use the perfect comp
nice game blizztards
>>343775868
Isn't UT4 pretty much dead?
>>343775930
its a KOTH match, you can force overtime by having a player in the point, both teamcomps rely on having atleast one player to stale the match until someone commits an error
>>343775756
Tracer has arguably the highest skill ceiling of the cast.
It's not about what class is easy to use, it's utility
>>343775756
Overwatch as a whole is designed around those situations you described. It's glorified rock-paper-scissors with no actual balancing. since Blizzard expects you to just switch away from a character if you encounter your scissors' rock.
>>343775930
Those three characters are the best counters to not only each other but also themselves.
>>343775772
>Please explain why do you feel those emotions
>>343775930
They did. They both went double Winston.
Why doesn't one of them go reaper if there's two winstons
>>343776019
Okay, enjoy your rank 4- I mean 62.
>>343775930
Literally nothing counter Tracer.
>>343772828
>skill
>video games
>>343771517
Are you blind or stupid?
>>343776339
Lag does.
>>343772828
>CSGO has a high skill ceiling
>I know you're going to post evidence but I'm going to ignore it because I spent hundreds of hours on a meme game and I can't come to terms with reality
Well said, brother.
>>343775756
That's not the reason it's picked at all. It's picked because all of those classes have absurdly good survivability so they can contest the point in Overtime for fucking ever.
All it takes to blow that composition out of the water is switching one person to Reaper or Bastion. All that survivability means shit when you die instantly.
>>343776261
Reaper can't stall the point very well and will get picked off by the enemy tracers long before he'll be able to take out both enemy winstons.
>>343776121
10 million across all platforms.
Learn to read shitter.
>>343776339
There was McCree.
Was.
>>343776372
I'm not sure
Ok, so I have a brilliant idea. Right now in KotH, if an enemy player is on the point, the timer stops, right? Nobody can cap it if there is an enemy player there.
But what if Blizzard made it so that if your team has more players on the point than the enemy team (Your team has 3 players and the enemy team has 1 player) then you capture it, only it's a little bit slow.
This game is fucking casual they're retarded for making it competitive. Obviously everyone will just play a Tank, DPS and a healer. So it's gonna be fucking Winston, Soldier/Tracer, and Lucio.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343776549
They should make the overtime how the point capture is in CP. Have checkpoints along the bar, so a team is rewarded for getting the overtime bar down to a pixel before some retard throws his body at the hill.
>>343776339
Winston
Reaper
McCree
Roadhog
Even Soldier is a weak counter
>>343776149
It's not even close to being a finished game though.
>>343776549
pretty much, overtime mechanic punishes the winning team while giving the losing team a huge advantage, the fact that this thing happens in a high skill match is a huge red light to make blizzard change how it works.
>>343776681
Spotted the shitter.
>>343771081
are you dumb? tracers destroy reaper thats why people aren't running reaper to counter 2 monkeys because 2 tracers would rape any reaper
these arent pub tracers these tracers actually stay mid range, aim and reaper can't do anything while tracer still does full damage
>>343776820
Spotted the butthurt McCree fag
>>343776178
Wow it sounds so fun
>>343776549
Remove overtime and stop the percentage from moving up when any enemy is present on the point.
I'm not sure why they designed it the way it is now.
>>343772828
define skill.
it certainly doesn't have any kind of real choices or decision making occurring.
>>343775530
You're fucking dumb, they're both slow as molasseses.
>ITT
>people that have never played the game and are only here to shitpost
>people that are fucking casuals and just shitpost
>people that don't know the difference between tournament competitive and ranked competitive matches.
pick your poison
TF2 was not made for competitive play
Overwatch was not made for competitive play
People trying to play these games the way they were not meant to be played will not enjoy themselves, meanwhile everyone else will be having fun.
itt: fucking retards
Here's an actual look at Overwatch balance right now
>>343776481
10 still bigger than 2
>>343775772
If you can't articulate why you're enjoying something then you're either a retard or a sheep.
>>343776339
You know when they were nerfing McCree and Widowmaker I'd like to think not a single person though 'what does this do to Tracer'.
Like what the fuck, I do not have faith in blizzard balancing this game at all.
>>343777179
>1 hero limit
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343777179
>1 hero limit
>2CP maps banned
When are you going to stop posting this retarded shit?
>>343777179
stop posting this
>>343777179
>Every pro team picks Lucio and Mercy
>Every pro team picks Reinhardt
>Every pro team picks Soldier
>Every pro team picks Reaper
>Every pro team picks Genji/Pharah
>>343777169
Overwatch is very much designed to be competitive, but it cuts corners in order to make it accessible.The best competitive games are always the ones that aren't explicitly designed to be "esports".
>>343777224
dang u 2smart
>>343777179
>arbitrary change to gameplay
>relevant
>>343777179
>1 hero limit
>data from one 2-day tournament
Here's your (You)
>>343777179
>Zenyatta.
>>343771847
>>343770929
Level =\= Skill
>>343771164
I welcome our jewish overlords!
>>343776549
Overtime should have like the current timer, but when it ends it never refreshes. When one team is fully off the point the other team wins.
Good thing for Blizzdrones Legion is up on the horizon. What a bunch of fucking hacks.
>>343777268
I mean they're fucking stupid and nerfed him wrong.
they shouldn't have nerfed his damage they should've nerfed his roll or flash bang.
that was SO obvious to me from the start I don't know why they're stupid.
>>343775756
no are you retarded
this comp can contest the point on KotH for over 10 minutes
there is no reason not to run this on KotH maps
>>343777490
>he was actually more balanced when he was OP
>>343771164
fuck off jew
I hate the community of Overwatch and I view this game as casual, but that was the composition around 4 months ago during a tournament while the game was in beta.
The real team compositions are actually extremely flexible and see almost every hero sans Zenyatta picked.
Don't fall for shitty bait, you don't have to use a dated image to argue for how this game isn't competitive. There's a lot more viable arguments to be made.
>>343771550
The argument IS the popularity you stupid boy. He said the game was dying but it has 10 million players and out growing LoL and TF2.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343771164
Fuck off jew
>>343768326
He seems very interested in watching a stream of a game he doesn't like. Are you all just tsundere?
>>343777268
850+ damage in 2 secondes was awful, maybe they will realise 240 DPS on an unkillable character is awful too.
>>343777851
>>The real team compositions are actually extremely flexible and see almost every hero sans Zenyatta picked.
Lol no.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343777851
>17 hours ago
>>343777851
This is from a tournament 2 days ago.
>>343777851
Hero picks depend on map and part of the map you are on. People pick Mei to defend certain points on certain maps, or pick Symmetra on the first point so they can teleport people back in but if the other team captures the point they will for sure switch off
I don't get it. Winston does pitiful damage and his bubble shields fall over in a light breeze.
What am I missing that he's considered good enough to warrant four of him in a match?
>>343777851
That was because tournaments started implementing a hero limit. Then the next big tournament said they aren't doing that, so the weekly tournaments started getting rid of it as well so teams could get used to it and they went back to the old comps sans McCree.
>>343778035
Self-heal from his ultimate and he's really really really good at killing tracer when you have two bubbles up to weave in and out of. He's one of the best heroes to stack teams with because he pairs really well with himself when you know the enemy team is always going to have multiple tracers on it..
>>343777959
He was a one-trick pony for TF2, now his game is dead and he resents the game that killed it.
>>343777851
>>343777998
>>343778004
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA
JOJOFAGS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>343778035
His gun stacks. It means 2 Winstons jump on a squishy and they die incredibly fast. Him and McCree at the time were the reason tournaments started implementing a hero limit.
>>343778035
pro players aren't smart and creative.
this comp guarantees that you'll probably be able to get on the point if the other team isn't smart enough to actually bait cooldowns out.
>>343778035
mobile, good at knocking people off the point, good at killing tracer because you know the other team will also be running 2 tracer/winston/lucio because it's koth
>>343777998
Yes, and it's still from a 4 month old tourney. Star is being retarded.
>>343778004
I watched that tournament. There was double lucio, but the rest of the picks were different. Check the hero statistics on who gets picked in what games.
>>343777976
Check the hero statistics on who gets picked in what games.
>>343778125
There's been a slight boost in hero variety though. We're seeing a decent amount of Zarya now, Genji has been getting picked (at the tournament 2 days ago in fact), Reaper is the new McCree, Roadhog is a big pick.
The only staples are Lucio, Mercy and Reinhardt.
>>343778275
Not at all.
>>343778035
He's insanely obnoxious at holding down a point. Stack double shields, monkey around, press Q to restore full health and just refuse the enemy team entry to the point.
>>343778019
>Hero picks depend on map and part of the map you are on
This, even in competitive it's absurd to see how little other players change character. Even when the team is getting curb stomped, no one changes to characters designed to break through chokes or withstand punishment.
>>343777777
>>343778035
>>343778331
Yep this
2 Winstons overcome any weakness a single Winston has (ie not being able to kill an enemy before they get away, not being able to keep shield long enough)
I don't think they should implement a single hero limit in competitive mode, but I definitely think they should keep one in tournaments otherwise it will result in massive stacking
>>343778394
We've always seen a decent amount of Zarya, Genji is almost always picked in certain situations and Reaper just took McCree's place as a tank killer.
Roadhog is the only hero that's risen a lot and that's because of the McCree nerf.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
Why do people keep expecting anything from this turd of a company other than a mediocre product?
>>343778394
>it's still from a 4 month old tourney.
https://youtu.be/_R3Fd6cR3so?t=53m39s
>>343778221
to be fair, Valve killed tf2. Overwatch just gave the people who clinged to the game an option out.
>COMPETITIVE GAMING
Every self proclaimed PROMLG GAMER!!!! in this thread should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
>>343778593
Winston is not a problem. 2 reapers would shit on them without problem. The problem is Tracer.
>>343768326
people only compete in overwatch because theres money in it.
If overwatch wants to be taken seriously it needs to stand the test of time and still be relevant without blizzard.
>>343776184
Relative to the picks in that match, it's extremely easy to play. Winstons are guaranteed loss so you need to kite, lucio you can get on their dicks and it's guaranteed win.
They are moba matchup tiers. Skill is not as involved in those as most other heroes. They are the extremes, and that's why they are picked. Because it's close to impossible to be outplayed on a technical level in those circumstances.
>Blizzard has to balance between tryhard comp and casual players
Good luck you cucks
>>343768326
Competitive overwatch is a joke. This shit happens all the fucking time and it makes for just boring as fuck games.
>>343778864
And another shitter!
>>343770387
Overwatch only has 4 classes anon.
>>343777851
Like the others pointed out, it was from a tournament some days ago, but it indeed was also the kind of teams you could find 4 months ago. It kinda shows how good Blizzard is at balancing.
>>343769851
Same senpai I looked through all the champs at launch and went "wait this nigger heals any in line of sight?" Play him every map and carry my good or worthless team
>>343778938
>Balancing around casuals ever
No game should ever do this.
>>343778864
Winson is there to counter Tracer and Lucio. I mean you could go Reaper to try and counter the Winstons, but then the Reaper would get picked off by the Tracer unless he gets a lucky headshot while they are dashing around.
>>343779420
Winston is there to counter the game itself.
>people actually thought blizzards casual childrens shooter would be a good competitive title
top kek
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343778938
No competent developer should ever even consider to balance around casuals. If they would do it then the AWP would have been nerfed a few dozen times because even after 20 years people still say thats it overpowered.
Casuals arent competent enough to argue balance. Never have been, never will be. Its the reason why they should never be listened to.
>>343779605
No one ever thought that. Just look at all the people who call OW competitive play toxic. They didnt even play the game for the competitive aspect. They played a multiplayer FPS for [no one actually knows].
>hero is a problem when stacked
>blizz nerfs said hero
>hero is shit by itself
It is literally impossible to balance hero stacking. Mcree is near useless just because he does not bring anything to a team that S76 can't do better.
>>343779753
Yes there is. Make it so you can't hero stack. At least in ranked.
>>343779727
maybe not many, but ive talked to several people in real life that thought overwatch would be an awesome competitive title. if you havent met these people thats obviously great for you. but they do exist.
>>343779753
He has an instant 0.75 second stun, can cockblock a lot of ults.
>>343779869
Almost all people I know said that its a casualized Dirty Bomb before launch. And the 2 guys who were really hyped for the game lost interest after playing the beta for 3 hours.
>>343779420
This is exactly what I said. Winston has enough counters, not Tracer.
>>343770254
Their skill ceilings are infinitely higher than anything in OW, especially Lucio Tracer Winston.
How do you even rebalance a tracer without crippliing the class?
>>343779623
>>343779350
>no game should ever balance around casuals
>game has a low skill ceiling with MMO/MOBA elements
>progression system slapped in complete with buyable crates because casuals complained in beta that there was 'nothing to do but play the game'
>original competitive mode was literally grind to win and elements of the previous system still made it to the current version even after the bitching
>Widow and Memecree get nerfed because casuals cried endlessly
Is there any reason to believe that Blizzard would ever not balance the game for their biggest cash cow, the casuals?
>>343780159
rework the whole game so it doesn't cater to casuals
>>343780159
Rewind back 2.5 seconds instead of 3
>>343772314
Nice ranks, retard.
>>343773868
6s had class limits? I was under the impression they just ran those comps because they're the most optimal.
>>343780363
Holy fucking shit
>people actually giving a shit about Esports/"""""""""""""competitive"""""""""""" gaming
Video games were a fucking mistake.
>>343780159
Lower DPS, empty magazine in 1.75 secondes
Increase spread.
>>343780528
You sound upset that you're shit at video games.
>>343780159
You know, what if they increased blink cooldown but also increased her movespeed?
>>343780217
The point is that balancing around bad players is completely pointless.
Balancing around someone who is bad fucks up the entire balancing as soon as the player improved. Its very unlikely for people (who consistently play a game) to become worse. They either stay shit or they improve. Even if its just slightly. Balancing around someone who is bad will therefore only result in more issues.
Balance around good players and maybe the shitter will some day understand that there are ways to exploit the openings that the 'OP mechanics' leave. Then again, Blizzard doesnt think logically anyway and they never really had a successful competitive game to begin with. SC2 was never really accepted in KR. HotS died immediately. Hearthstone is a tablet game that no one take serious. WoW arena was sponsored cash grab events. Overwatch is basically the samewhich is the reason why its B2P to be honest. That way they make bank and never need to care again.
Not so high and mighty now are you Blizzcucks? Go join your Stillborn brethren in the garbage pile.
>>343776481
>>343777268
I never played Mccree properly pre-patch and am now trying to get good with him, but I can safely say that even as a shitter Mccree, he still dicks all over Tracers. Just because his fan doesn't melt everything doesn't stop that being the case. One stun + headshot = dead tracer. And because Tracers never jump, she's one of the easiest characters to get this combo off on.
>>343780796
I absolutely agree, but balancing around good players is a bad financial decision.
>>343776438
That webm literally doesn't prove anything.
>>343780159
I don't even think Tracer needs rebalancing. The problems are the maps and rulesets and no hero limit.
Even still, the game is just pressing Q at the right time and hoping your team also presses Q at the right time. Actual fps skills barely play a factor in this game.
>>343768326
>play team based game with no classes
>everyone is the same
>no one bitches and moans
>play team based game with classes
>everyone is the same
>bawwwww
Just came out of a comp 7 game win streak, 2 of which everyone left and on the
second one we let the last guy kill us all before we won because we felt bad his team left.
This was the potg. What is the punishment for leaving a comp or quick play game? i still have not done it myself.
>>343777068
Yes. Even pros just blindly go into the game and click a lot. That's exactly how you win.
That actually describes Quake better than CSGO by the way. In Quake there is an optimal route to take to get the best weapons, and you do that, while killing everything you see on screen moving at a trillion miles per hour.
Of course I'm not retarded enough to insinuate that takes no skill because I'm not a memeing shithead.
>>343768326
I feel like these tournaments would be greatly improved by banning hero stacking
>mfw when overwatch tries to push a competetive scene
>>343768998
Isnt that true for most competitive setting?
Fighters use the same 4-5 Fighters
Card games use the same 5-6 metadeck
RTS even use the same 2-3 strategies.
>>343781319
You're right, CSGO doesn't have random spread. It's just a myth.
Do you have any sick stattrak weapons for trade, dude?
>>343781489
Pretty sure most the ones with custom ruleset do. Blizzard doesn't like the idea though
>>343781383
In competitive all leavers get a loss, no matter when you leave.
In quick play leaving does fuck all to your wins/losses unless they've recently changed it.
The "penalty" they give out is a 75% reduction on exp earned (so you only get 25%), that's it.
Why isn't the hog used? He shits on all 3 of those heroes.
>>343781694
>Fighters use the same 4-5 Fighters
Not since games actually started to get balanced Paco. Street Fighter, Guilty Gear etc. usually have at least 6 different characters being played in the top8 alone.
It's HotS all over again. Can these faggots just go under already? They're so fucking deceptive, but never get any crap for it.
We'll never see them talked about in news articles for being scumbags, CrowbCat or anyone else will never make a video outing them as the jews they are.
Konami made some pachinko machines? Blizzard murders their franchise and expects you to pay more for it, and people do. It's like people are brainwashed, it's disgusting the tactics Blizzard uses and everybody will remain quiet about it. Fucking Israelites man.
>>343771445
>10 million across 3 platforms
>116k on 1 platform
WOOOOOOOOOW
>>343781489
I don't get this logic.
TF2 had hero stacking, no one complained about it.
>>343781941
It's not like people play underdog characters in tournement a whole lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsJfLKtGlfw
>>343781773
Maybe it's because I haven't played Counter-Strike since 2008, but I kind of want to try CS:GO.
>>343780217
>Widow and McCree got balanced because of casuals
Widow in a casual player hand was shit.. Double McCree dominated high level play. Stop talking like you know something stupid.
correct me if i'm wrong, but this is just like TF2 isn't it?
>quick match aka. joinin a random server = no balance /teams full of engi/sniper/spy
>in tournaments both teams run similar comps, hell in TF2 i never saw anything other than medic/scout/soldier/soldier/Demoman/Heavy or 2nd scout
seems like it's just TF2 all over again, isn't that what people wanted?
but no, for some reason people want every class to be viable and perfectly balanced in this class based shooter.
>>343770429
I think they want people to switch classes out to be the best team comp vs the opposition, and to have them respond in kind and create a constantly mutating cast of characters. The problem is too many heros simply have no hard counter or are best answered by another copy of that same hero. I don't want the game to feel like rock paper scissors, but I want teams to be varied.
>>343782262
Thats because the point is to win and tier lists matter in many games. Not every game is like Guilty Gear where you can win tournaments with the 'weakest character in the roster'. In many other games the weak characters have so many short comings that winning with them simply is borderline impossible. Still, the bigger the roster the more characters usually show up.
>>343781809
Most of the tournaments were using hero limits but there's a huge tournament coming soon which uses mostly blizz rules so to prepare for that they're also not using hero limits.
>>343781858
Because 2 Tracers would burn him down really fucking quick, and trying to hook with 2 Winston shields is a goddamn nightmare.
You don't want to be giving the enemy team an even quicker ultimate build.
>>343782430
Who the hell does not take a Master degree to play OW.
Jerma is better.
To bad he's dead.
>>343770413
Conceptually it's got a lot of problems but I have a tendency to play it for 3+ hours at a time so it must be doing something right.
>>343776438
What? Go ahead and post concrete evidence that CSGO does not have a high skill ceiling. Fake meme webms of "HOW DID THAT NOT HIT HIM" are not proof
>>343782505
That's what I'm saying. If the best meta composition is 2 Lucio 2 Winston and 2 Tracers, then, why would they not do it?
It's like criticizing any sport for having the same 3-4 tactics they try again and again because they know it works.
>>343768326
Tournament scene is now 1 hero limit now though.
>>343770302
>B-but anon, it allows people with cerebal palsy suffers to get headshots.
>>343782430
>i didn't go to grad school for overwatch
Somehow I don't think the academy lost anything.
>>343772763
>Overtime
That's why.
desu having a one hero limit on each team would fix everything
>>343782278
It's a good game dude.
If you know about how the skins work and are still interested (it's a turnoff for a lot of players including me), go for it, best CS yet.
>>343780363
That's hysterical
>>343781773
>12 v 12
Probably some shitty dedicated server, all the really egregious clips you see of stuff like this are never ranked matchmaking. Though, 60 tick servers are kind of a bummer, but 128 tick servers wouldn't really matter until you're at least past double AK rank though.
>>343782807
>it's a turnoff for a lot of players including me
How?
>>343782721
Well I think the point is that this shouldnt be the case, and thats Blizzards job. No is complaining about the players playing broken comps. They are complaining about Blizzard doing nothing about it. They will probably fuck up as hard as they did in SC2 though, end up ignoring the balancing issues altogether.
>People try to play a game with a degree of seriousness
>Always some butthurt losers that can't stand the thought of people playing video games for keeps and start bitching about games they admit they don't play
>>343770194
>winston in charge of killing people within the span of a year
>>343770159
This might shock youThose two are Zenyattas main counters
why isn't this like dota where only one instance of a character can be in a match
why isn't this at least like league where only one instance of a character can be on a team
>>343782262
>that list
hahahahahahahaha
>>343782186
>TF2 is only been released on one platform
DUDE WEED LMAO
>>343775930
theyre spamming those characters to stop the overtime from ending since they can all move very fast and all those characters deal with each other very well ecspacially double winston
>>343782995
You're a nigger.
>>343771847
actually that image is of an upper 30s lower 40s rank match, the joke is that the guys with over 100lvls are just as bad as the newbies.
>>343782539
>Thinking he would have done anything with that master degree to begin with.
>>343770302
huge hitboxes are huuuuuuuuuge
>>343769851
>all balance is based around KotH
No you're still retarded
>>343783104
>>343783308
Depend, I hear that a master in Law is pretty cool to work at Mcdonald
>>343776149
development is slow but things re slowly happening for the game. i just hope epic wont screw us over this time around
>Meanwhile in siege
>Kapkan buff
>clutchs with FUCKING TACHANKA
No op is truly bad
>>343770413
This isn't hard to understand, anon. Some people like it and some people don't. Some like the gameplay and characters and some people don't. Why not ask a question that you don't know?
>>343769192
Wasn't this guy's channel primarily for TF2 before? Talk about being a hypocrite. Competitive TF2 has had even more rigid team compositions for years now.
>>343783330
Nobody plays or played the console versions
>>343782262
>Bison not low tier
>Sim not high tier
>Chun at the top
Was this made during the beta or something?
>>343783483
He used to be but even before Overwatch came out he began getting tired of TF2 and primarily made funny video's about shitting on video games.
>>343783425
Fast food joints won't hire you unless you've got a master's degree in something these days anyways. They want only the best.
>>343782539
actually a lot of those pros either put their degrees on hold or dont have a job. source - I played with some of them in another game. one of the reasons why so many swedes are good in games because they live off of benefits and when normal people are at the university or at work they are at home playing.
>>343783260
or more likely: it's a premade group that was waiting too long in the queue for another premade and the system paired them up with whoever was available, regardless of rank.
>>343783671
Oh yeah, I remember now. Guess it's fine then, though I don't understand why someone tired of TF2 would put so much hope on Overwatch.
Overtime is so fucking bullshit
>one side captures the point up to 99%
>other side goes all in and manages to capture it
>holds point up to 99% as well
>overtime initated
>losing team runs onto point and dies instantly just to reset the timer
>this shit goes on for several fucking minutes
I swear the overtime is longer than the actual matches sometimes
>>343774542
alright mate i happen to be an expert on this topic
a major part of /v/ population happen to be fans of trolling, so there you go
>>343783627
Gimmicks that get shut down by competent players =/= High tier
>>343783562
A ton of people played the console version. The problem is that it was never supported.
>>343770413
>I would understand if they let you 20v20 or at least 15v15
Some games are conceptually made for specific player count. Yes, you can play Dota 10v10, but it gets stale and annoying fast. You can play CSGO in casual with 10v10, but it is incredibly annoying to play after proper ranked matches. Overwatch is a "hero" based shooter, where composition plays a big role, increasing the number of players undermines that idea. Before some faggot points out to the OP and says that I'm a retard, let me explain: this shit wouldn't fucking fly in your average matchmaking game. If anyone here thinks Blizzard balances their game around competitive - they are complete idiots.
>>343783768
Because it's slightly different.
He doesn't hate TF2, he's just been playing it for 9 years and add the fact that the game has been getting less and less major updates he's just sort of gotten bored with it.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343770929
That's the forced 50% win-rate doing its work, ladies and gentlemen.
>>343784037
>A ton of people
Solid proof.
I've played TF2 on PS3 2 years after the release, I could barely find a server. Unless there's some kind of resurgence of console TF2 popularity, I do think my anecdotal evidence is more than enough, especially because of the matchmaking system
>People actually take competitive Overwatch seriously
Will the next big competitve video game be who can press the big red button faster?
>>343784356
>played
At one point, you could find games. Now it's dead because no updates.
>>343783734
>one of the reasons why so many swedes are good in games because they live off of benefits and when normal people are at the university or at work they are at home playing.
The reason Swedes are good at games is because they are teenagers who have a lot of freetime.
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>competitive video games
>>343783445
Man I really want to start playing Rainbow Six: Siege again.
But fuck Ubisoft.
>ironically WoW will be the last Blizzard game left that's actually good because of Legion
comfy feels desu, fuck all the other one-hit wonders
>>343782303
>Widow in a casual player hand was shit
They were the ones crying about Widow, dipshit.
>>343772978
>implying OW wasn't trying to be competitve from the start
Did you really expected the guys that made LoL to make a game without expecting to cash out form idiots?
>>343785386
>Legion
>Good
This again? Three garbage expansions later and you're still going on about WoW?
>>343782659
>Fake meme webms
Summer is finally here.
>>343785386
>wow
>good
>>343785637
guarantee you haven't delved into Legion seriously and just go off shitposting and being burned in the past
so jaded
>competitive overwatch
>>343785732
THey buffed LFR rewards and pruned even more, its irredeemably bad
>>343785732
>Ability pruning worse than ever
>DH only has two specs
>Endgame is just a treadmill
>More welfare gear
>Fucking welfare lore weapon
>Garrisons AGAIN
>More cut content (Thal'Dranath)
>LFR the same as raiding now
>$50 fucking dollars
Eat shit.
>>343784760
You also have to keep in mind that lan parties was and still are pretty common here too over the years.
game like Cs 1.6,Dota allstar and Starcraft was a huge thing here a few years back.
We also have a better view for people that play video games and from my understanding we are going to have courses in school where you can play game competitive.not CS:GO though, because that is too violent
>>343782262
How old does this one have to be for Birdie to be higher than Ken, Cammy, and Necalli?
>>343770175
>hes not overpowered
>but he is essential
>>343775756
>insert auto-aim no-skill bullshit into your game
>surprised it backfires
how can blizzard designers be this incompetent? the stupidest virgin on /v/ could do a better job than them
>>343768870
In DB comps you're not allowed to have duplicate of mercs.
They're literally using just 3 dudes, fucking stupid.
>>343786032
>implying raids aren't even more difficult
>WAAAHHH WHY CAN'T IT BE AS EASY AS MOLTEN CORE AND ONE BUTTON SPAM SHADOWBOLT
>2-3 HOURS OF KILLING TRASH WAS THE PEAK OF MY RAIDING EXPERIENCE
Vanilla shitters are the worst.
>>343776184
No she isn't, literally spam your mobility, pray the spread hits the target, blink>blink>q 3 people>e>triple kill is just asinine. Even the best of retards can avoid stuns or danger in general by accidentally hitting right click/l-shift.
Neither is genji because he has high damage, spammable fast projectiles, mobilty that requires no brain power to figure out, l shift is just a kill confirm that resets, e is just annoying, and q is just him being rein on crack.
I say a good aggressive lucio, who still heals his team, is difficult to play due to the nature of his slow projectile with low damage and how fucky wall ride can be. Granted, he isnt extremely difficult to master like fucking tinker or invoker in dota, but still somewhat challenging.
>>343786709
>Modern raiding
>Hard
>Thinking artificial difficulty "mythic" means shit
>>343774839
No, you'll end up with Dota 2 whose hero pool is 90% used in tournaments.
As opposed to LoL where only 30% of characters are used lmao
>>343778394
It's from the tourney yesterday you retard
>make shitty balance
>heh let's give this character a wall hack
>and that one an aimbot
>dude wouldn't it be cool if a tank could basically teleport himself with a super awesome jump?
>hey what if we make a character that is fast and also can other characters faster? it's not like speed it's something that can make a character have flaws or anything
>oh yeah and he can heal too
>yeah in top of that let's make every hitbox the size of the moon and add 20 tick rate
>yeah that sounds balanced, in fact let's start or own tournament league only half a year after the game comes out, not like we'll need to fix anything at that point lol
>>343786956
>required to have 8 geard tanks for one loot pinjata
>not the peak of artificial difficulty
>>343786709
>>343786956
WoW was trash, is trash, and will continue to be trash.
Both of you can stop posting now.
>>343769851
I've played some games where I'm a Mercy and one of my teammates is a Lucio. It's a pretty good combo, but I always end up getting gold medals for healing. Being able to heal the entire team at once is great, but his healing is just too slow.
>>343786032
Vanilla's bar is disingenuous. What became minior x.x.1 patches were given full patch numbers back then, like "Hey guys we remembered to turn the weather on" being given a whole fucking patch to itself.
>>343780887
Yeah but you're forgetting the bigger picture.
You pick a hero that can kill Tracer if you get near her, and can do nothing else.
>>343778923
>Winstons are guaranteed loss
Tracer absolutely shreds Winston.
>>343778923
Also, outplaying on a technical level is the only thing that can win in this scenario. It's wholly dependent on the Tracers stacking kills to clear the point.
>>343787315
>i used to aim druing games
>>343771445
>10 million people purchased the game, so that must mean 10 million people are playing!
>brings up tf2 for no reason
holy shit are blizzdrones even trying?
>>343787315
So OW hitboxes are literally just one giant box for the body and a small one for the head, then?
>>343783770
Overtime goes faster the longer it has been on. They'd have to stand on it indefinitely or it'll auto lose them.
>>343785534
Okay? The point is Widow was too strong with abusing the bug. In competitive play a Widow had an extremely high pick too for being able to kill literally anyone with ease because of the bug that let her charge up fast to double tap someone.
>>343787823
you be the judge my friend :^)
>>343786032
>B-but pruning! Asmongoloid said something about pruning!
And every single class is still three or four times more complex than their Vanilla versions.
>E-endgame is jsut a treadmill!
Welcome to vertical gear progression MMOs, vanilla was no different.
>Welfare gear
What gear, exactly? There's less welfare gear in Legion than there has been since launch Wrath, which had literally like 2 pieces per class that weren't for valor.
>W-welfare weapons!
So you have no idea how Relics in the ARtifact weapons work? Yeah, okay.
>LFR is bad!
More people play LFR in a month than Vanilla had peak subscribers.>S-STUPID CASUALS!You're literally the dumbest fuck in the thread right now.
>>343771445
TF2 hasn't had an update in 200 days and is due to get the biggest one ever this week.
You can bet your ass Valve is going to promote the fuck out of it with yet another new movie and steam front page adverts, and a lot of old players are bound to return for official matchmaking.
TF2 seriously isn't doing bad.
>>343787904
This never happens when I play Widow, what gives?
>>343776450
>All that survivability means shit when you die instantly.
Same can be said for Bastion. All that damage means shit when you die instantly.
>>343787904
Yeah that's just lag.
>>343770302
>>343787315
>>343787904
>people seriously think overwatch is fit for competitive
>when shit like this is in the game
Holy shit
Blizzard is doing the #1 mistake in their balancing
They're balancing like Riot where they constantly hit someone with the nerf hammer
What they should be doing is balance like Icefrog in Dota 2, where instead of nerfing one character, he buffs or changes everyone else
>>343787904
>>343788094
Kill cams are not accurate.
>>343788447
>Balancing like riot
Nigga. This is certified OG blizzard style nerfing
>>343775690
You can play ass shovelware games with your friends and still have a blast.
Even I don't see where you're going with this.
>>343787910
>And every single class is still three or four times more complex than their Vanilla versions.
We're on expansion fucking 6. We should be more complex than fucking WotLK versions but we've gone backwards.
>Welcome to vertical gear progression MMOs, vanilla was no different.
Yes it was. PVP and exploration was a thing and raiding required grinding. People who raided were actually good players, now anybody can raid.
>What gear, exactly? There's less welfare gear in Legion than there has been since launch Wrath, which had literally like 2 pieces per class that weren't for valor.
You get purples just from treasure boxes and quests. they aren't "epic" anymore. Now we've also got legendaries out the ass. What's the point of "epic" or "legendary" exactly?
>So you have no idea how Relics in the ARtifact weapons work? Yeah, okay.
You get one weapon you use throughout the entire expansion.
>He's got an ashbringer!
>You idiot, we all have ashbringers!
I remember when having an ashbringer in vanilla made you a celebrity.
>More people play LFR in a month than Vanilla had peak subscribers.
Fucking please.
How can you live with yourself knowing you're such a fucking stupid goy?
>>343788603
It's shit is what is it.
We're seeing the results of it now.
>>343788432
>People still think honzo shit boxes makes him any good.it doesn't.
>>343770302
Shockwave killed her
>>343788447
>constantly nerfing
>one nerf so far
>both heroes still playable
>>343788938
>just because it's not game breaking it doesn't make it fucking stupid
>>343770175
Lucio isn't overpowered he's just essential to have on any team
>>343768326
>People judging a game on the opinions of the "competitive community"
Why can't you guys just have___________________________________________________________fun
>>343769892
This is how I know you guys don't know shit. For months now tourneys have been run with 1 hero limit and every character sees use, except for one who's already been said to have buffs coming.
>>343789210
People have fun when they try.
That doesn't make something good though.
>>343779350
That is what Halo 5 did, now we have an abomination of a game.
>>343786032
yep, you definitely have not even tried legion and just go off tidbits of info and from 4chan shitposting
typical jaded retard
>TF2 scout
>shotgun is all or nothing
>has to use healthkits and avoid getting juggled by pyros/soldiers
>double jump makes your trajectory predictable and it can't avoid all splash damage
>can be killed by every other class if he's not careful
>has no way to deal with sentries
>OW tracer
>has smgs so she doesn't have to land every shot
>can teleport out of any fight and get all her health back whenever she wants
>blink is extremely difficult to predict and has no downsides whatsoever
>can't be killed by any other class but winston and mcree
>has a grenade to instantly kill torbjorn or bastion
Even with all those downsides scout has he's still considered one of the strongest classes in the game so tracer by comparison is just absurd. It's no surprise she's the new comp meta.
What was Blizzard thinking? It's the same shit as widowmaker it's like they looked at sniper and thought "yeah this guy needs to be like three times as powerful"
>>343777575
>I AM SILLY.jpg
>second sentence explains the joke
shit image desu fampai
>>343788432
blizzdrones will defend anything nigga I don't know what you were expecting
>>343789726
Is this you?
>>343787315
Projectile hitboxes are pretty much always like this in games.
>>343771164
>>343771164
fuck off jew
>>343789795
Every hero in OW is stronger than the characters in TF2.
You can't compare one to the other like that.
