Deception, Lies, and CSGO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8fU2QG-lV0
>>343707102
>advertising for a site you own without disclaiming you own it
Holy shit, that's literally illegal.
>>343707102
Let's all be honests here
Valve is a fucking scam company
they release 2-3 games every 10 years and people fall for their shit online games
If you want to waste money, there are much better options.
On top of that, you have to be always online to play the games and while it's good regarding updates/patches, it's fucked up if you don't have internet access.
>post yfw Valve gets hit with billions of dollars of lawsuit judgments and Federal fines and needs to make HL3 to save themselves financially
E-celebs and youtube drama are not video games.
Also, Valve was losing the CS:Go audience and "out of sudden" the millions of players came back in 2014
It's totally, 100% scam.
>>343707952
but its about CS:go not the guy talking about it
>>343707952
You people need to stop being retarded for once in your lives
>>343707886
>>343707892
STOP THIS SHITTY MEME
Valve is not responsible for third party sites offering gambling of CSGO skins
>>343708146
>but its about CS:go
>a-actually, its about ethics in games jurnalizm!!!
its not about CS:GO, its about two youtubers pretending to be unaffiliated with a gambling site they are promoting. Valve has literally nothing to do with third party gambling sites.
>>343708001
Are you seriously alleging that Valve is faking the playercounts?
>>343708291
Aside from the fact Valve participates by allowing them access to Steam inventories. Valve's going to get fucked big time.
>>343708319
You can stop shitposting now
>It's okay when Blizzard does it
>>343707952
It has to do with Valve and CSGO gambling scams, an Eceleb is just presenting the information
>It's a ((h3h3)) gets mad at other youtubers for making more money than them and ((Ethan)) attacks them over nothing episode
>>343708319
Valve has allowed you to link your steam account to these websites so they are involved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
one of my favorite videos about the subject
how did ethan become le hardhitting youtube reporter
ban kids from the web though
>>343707892
valve might get damaged, but syndicate et al. would lose way more 2bh
>>343708602
>attacks them over nothing
They literally broke the law for something they were busted by the FTC for doing before
>>343708501
Is it?
>VAPE NAYSE XD
>youtube drama
>>343707102
>Paid by CS Go Lotto
>Hey stupid goyim let's go there it's a friendly place you will earn lots of money
>Ohhhhhhhhhh it just happens I own the website but don't worry it's 100% random
>>343708376
They got back some half million people with their skin shit and 2 days later on their website
>CS: GO REACHES 5 MILLION USERS
3 weeks later
>NEW RECORD 15 MILLION USERS
>>343708497
>>343708623
That case has no legs. I can create a website right now hosting illegal content and add a link for your to log in via steam onto the site. Is Valve suddenly responsible for the illegal content?
>retards wrongfully thinking this is about valve and not syndicate & youtuber cunts literally breaking laws
>>343708795
Valve has to whitelist the site thus they are responsible for vetting them.
>>343708795
It's not that, it's how much the cs skin is friendly to gambling and given the fact that 99,9% of skins are purchased through illegal means such as "CS Lotto" ...
>>343707892
what am I gonna do with all my steam games
>>343708907
You could argue that Valve enables it
When will video games finally die? When will they realize that making things is bad?
I'm so sick of the game developers developing games, they make me so sick.
I wish games would hurry up and die. They'll send kill squads to every house and destroy ever gaming PC and console you own, only then can we be truly happy.
>>343708795
Thats not how third party linking works
>>343707952
NIGGER
>>343708635
>those first :40
>retards probably spent more than $600+ for a $100 knife
>western gaming
>>343709000
No you can't. You can argue valve shouldn't allow those under 21 to buy csgo boxes, but otherwise no. You can sue the fuck outta these youtubers for all their worth though, get to it~
>Goyims, great news. Gamble at CS Lotto
>No, I'm not the owner I don't even have access to the way the website operates
>The website is total fair and will never scam you
LOL
>>343708501
Who are you quoting?
>>343707102
>I owned a pot like 69 dollars
>very small pot like
>but like coolest feeling ever
This is the power of the millennials
>Valve exploits retards
Who cares. It doesn't affect the actual game like other games with microtransactions. This is literally the best system but people will shit on it regardless because someone always has to complain.
>it's illegal for a lender refers you to an appraiser they are affiliated with for a home loan
>it's illegal for a doctor to refer you to a hospital they're a part owner of
>car dealerships are legally required to give you a refund for your car if its proven to be defective
Holy shit. Vidya is a $90+ billion dollar a year industry. Why the fuck don't consumers have similar rights as compared to other industries?
>Should they have disclosed they own it
Of course
>Are CS:GO and gambling sites malicious and have ill intent towards children?
No go fuck yourself. Don't blame the platform blame whichever retarded teenagers spend all of mommy's money then try to sue.
>Is this a huge deal?
No jesus fuck who cares
>>343709471
that's literally not the point you fucking idiot
holy shit can you pay attention for longer than 30 seconds
>>343709574
Because gamers are the dredge of media.
I hope Valve gets in deep shit for allowing illegal gambling. Theyre such an awful company that for some reason people love to give money to.
Thank god for pc piracy otherwise all of those games you bought on steam wont be playable when they eventually go under or Gabe fucks off to his remote island
I'm so glad that some jews trying to overthrow rich jews. Maybe they will start making videogames again, but probably nothing will change. Greedy fucks will always find a way how to rob stupid people and do nothing.
>pc gaming
>>343708497
I hope these guys realize they're actually not just fighting Valve, they're also fighting Blizzard (loot boxes) and Activision (supply drops). There's no way this actually has any repercussions for any of those companies.
>>343708497
>Michael John McLeod
>McLeod
MACLEOD!!!!!!
>>343709748
But CSGO is multiplatform:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
>people are only just now figuring out CSGO is online gambling
>>343709748
t. sony cuck
>>343709720
>I hope Valve gets in deep shit for allowing illegal gambling
Fuck off you autistic saint.
You're the same type of people that are fine with underage drinking, that yes happens fucking everywhere, but once an e-celeb you like calls out underage gambling it's al like "OMG VALVE IS SO EVIL :((("
>>343708795
>Is Valve suddenly responsible for the illegal content?
Valve absolutely should regulate the websites they allow to interact with Steam. In that way, they bear at least some of the responsibility.
>>343709819
>multiplatform
>like those 15 children playing CS Go on Xbox One
>>343709618
What's the point? Valve trying to make money? What, you want them to jew people like Blizzard and EA by scalping our games? Fuck off, this is the best system.
>>343709796
The sad thing is most of /v/ won't understand the reference
>>343708959
>>343709023
I can update the site to host illegal content AFTER whitelisting. Is Valve responsible? How is Valve even supposed to know some 2bit youtubers are off illegally promoting their website? How is valve supposed to keep tabs on every gambling website that pops up?
it's actually better that it's targetted to kids, because kids don't have a large income, if any, it's not like they could go into dept if they tried
being against gambling in itself is just stupid. it's only illegal because the government can't profit off of unregulated cash flow
>>343709819
Chances are he's a massive weeb with a ps4 and vita that plays only yellow metacritic score idol/loli trash.
Not worth the headache.
>>343709103
if you open crates you get a ton of donations as a twitch streamer
for some reason these are the streams people love to watch
This has literally nothing to do with Valve
Do you think they aren't protected from this?
https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apiterms
>>343707102
Shame on you for actually thinking you YouTube community whiteknight morals would resonate with a group of degenerates that actually have a bit of common sense.
This is nothing more than drama on the part of the site owners. Absolutely nothing wrong with Valve or Gambling sites
>>343709876
Do you buy your underage booze with your underage gambling?
An adult has to buy alcohol for an underager like yourself, actual underage gambling with thousands of dollars cant be done anywhere but the internet. Theres a reason casinos have such tight security, and your local 7 eleven doesnt.
>>343709996
>Is Valve responsible?
Yes. Vetting isn't a one time process, it's continual.
>>343709975
fuckin' lmao
The point of the vid is that the owner of CS Lotto is promoting his own site through supposed scripted betting videos.
>>343709975
No, it's not even about valve at all. Ethan was giving a background on what gambling in relation to the game even is. The focus is these youtubers trying to exploit csgo players for their own wealth - breaking numerous laws from not mentioning sponsorships or that you own the damn gambling company.
>idiot kids gamble and lose money
>"this isn't fair im going to sue"
America ladies and gentlegoons
>>343708319
Stop being retarded please.
>>343709574
video games are children's toys and children don't rights.
>>343709975
>What's the point?
if only there were some kind of video you could watch on the subject to inform yourself instead of shitposting
>>343709876
>>343709884
You guys don't get it. The skins was already meant for this in the first place
Or you do you SERIOUSLY think that CS bet making billoins of dollars go directly to that dumb white trash people?
No, of course not. Those retards can't even make a fake reaction video, let alone a fucking gamgling company.
the only good game valve made was vanilla tf2
I really hope for Valves sake they lose the case and would have to pay out billions. Maybe that will make them wake the fuck up and start making games again
>>343710132
>whiteknight morals
>Absolutely nothing wrong with Valve or Gambling sites
Neo /v/
>>343709796
WOAH-OH-OH-AH-AH-AH-AAAA-HA-AH-AH-AH
>>343710139
>Do you buy your underage booze with your underage gambling?
That sentence didn't make any sense
>An adult has to buy alcohol for an underager
So hypothetical here, let's say they slap a "Pls be 18+ to use our site" Do you actually think that will stop teens from using it? You're retarded.
Kids barely have money to play with, the ones that do and fuck themselves over suck and the onus is on the parents. Just like the simple purchase of anything online.
>>343709574
Everyone sees games as toys.
It's why nobody gives a shit.
>>343710358
why would they start making games again (something that costs millions) after losing millions, when they can just wait a couple months and make that much off steam game sales...
literally use your fucking head retard
>>343709983
Most of /v/ was probably born 15 years after the movie
>mfw if Valve gets sued they'll realize they can't make successful games by only having microtransactions in them
>mfw trading communities could potentially go back to trading in-game items for other in-game items instead of having a set system of currency
>mfw they might be forced to actually make games again instead of just updating 5+ year old games with more DLC if they want to look like a video game company anymore
>>343710494
>why would valve undertake activities that generate a profit
Gee, I wonder
>>343710132
If you think skin gambling promoted by Valve is bad
>WHITEKNIGHT MORALIST
>>343710421
>I'm unable to make sound arguments so i'll call you out and put you in an arbitrary category!!
>suing Valve for what people do with in-game items
what's next, someone's gonna sue McDonald's for making them fat? oh wait, people ARE that fucking stupid
I see keys and skins more like buying trading cards then downright gambling.
But instead of getting a whole deck of worthless cards you get one worthless virtual card.
>>343710343
HL1 and Portal are great you faggot.
>Fat jew who doesn't even play video games and is just a friend of JonTron whining about how other people make money
>>343710586
It seems you have difficulty reading, that's ok friend!
>ITT /v/irgins show a lack of understanding of tort law and duty of care
Can I sue Nintendo for encouraging gambling with their pokemon booster packs?
>>343710586
Im not sure anybody told you this but hats are more profitable than games. This is the world we live in
>>343710615
>sound arguments
>MUH AMORAL PRINCIPLES
>WHITE KNIGHT SUCKERS
>MUH GAMBLING
>>343710784
Yes, you can
>>343710358
Why? This case doesn't have a leg to stand on, using valves steam api doesn't mean they endorse or operate your website
>>343707102
Libertarians will defend this.
>>343710636
Thing is a large number of people who buy skins are little kids who took their parents credit cart and it's said parents that are suing.
So it's more like suing McDonald's because your 11 year old brat took mommy's credit card and bought 100 burgers.
>>343710615
>he actually needs somebody to argue why jewing dumb teenagers like him is generally immoral
literally /b/-tier
If you're old enough to play with blocks, you're definitely old enough to play withglocks
>>343710907
you can't fucking sue people for what your shitty kids do
Ok so everyone FOR this. What do you propose?
All gambling sites slap an 18+ logo on it?
Strip game of all crates? No more microtransactions?
Please enlighten me how you solve this nonexistent problem
>>343711016
You fail to realize how lawsuit-happy a lot of Americans are...
>>343710636
theres a big difference between being fat and poor
and how is it not gambling, and not worthy of legal action? last I checked gambling's banned for anyone under 21, with kids not even being able to enter casinos
What Valve whiteknights need to realize is that it doesn't matter who you think has the blame, it only matters how the law sees it.
ITT: Retards who think using steam web API makes valve responsible for your website.
>>343710907
The way skin sell works is because steam allows it to be a profitable industry outside Valve community
>>343711016
well sometimes you can, a lot of warnings on products now is mostly due to kids fucking up and their parents suing.
same goes for other cases, like I think that woman who sued mcdonalds for making coffee too hot.
>>343711058
i wonder why jews were champions of liberty against excessive state power in the wake of world war ii
whatever could have happened to cause them to espouse this philosophy
hmmm
>>343711058
Jews also created communism, what's your point?
>>343710895
I know. Its just wishful thinking. Even in the worst case Valve are rich enough to get the best jew lawyer to bail them out of anything
>>343711016
I know, I'm just clarifying the situation better.
In this case it's not so much stupidity as so much frustration on their little Timmy wasting their retirement fund on virtual guns.
>>343711107
All gambling sites are legally required to put 18+
Nothing will happen, this case will be laughed out of court
>I-ITS SETUP LIKE A SLOT MACHINE!
Bruh, what the fuck. Why don't we go back in time to sue arcades while we're at it?
I fucking hate Ethan Klein now. What makes him the authority on this asinine bullshit? And he hasn't made a decent video in god knows how long...
>>343711112
Americans are lawsuit happy because of a lack of blanket consumer laws. Eurofags are preventive, Amerifags are reactive.
>>343709796
HEEEEEEEEEERE WE ARE
BORN TO BE KINGS
>>343711107
Remove trading/selling items. It's really the only way.
>>343711126
> last I checked gambling's banned for anyone under 21, with kids not even being able to enter casinos
But you're acting like that means something.
You know it's legal for teens to smoke but illegal for them to purchase it. Do you go on a hissy fit then?
It's illegal for teens to buy and drink alcohol, but are you going to pretend that like 1 in 3 teens don't drink.
Government laws =/= the one true righteousness
>>343707102
>h3h3
fuck
off
>>343710636
>food analogy
Being fat is not illegal, gambling is
>>343711058
>jews created communism
>jews created capitalism
>jews created libertarianism
>jews created feminism
>jews have got to be behind everything I dislike, ignore those behind the things I like
lay off the /pol/ meds friend
>>343711170
>the guys who made thing that a fraud site relies on aren't responsible for fraud site existing
I like how you buy into small print snake businessman talk without even realizing it.
>>343711058
>juxtaposition
>>343711308
Jews making societies function on money and/or politics because they know it will bring misery and destruction
>>343711331
>Middle aged man
>Teenage/Prepubescent fanbase
>Notices a lot of stupid shit going on around the internet
>Tries to take the role of daddy for all of them, and be some kind of moral high ground
It really is fucking stupid how he's trying to act like the Chaotic Good of the Youtube community now. Vape Nation was the last good video he made. All of this Leafy drama and bullshit bogged his channel way the fuck down.
>>343711107
Are you literally retarded? All anyone is asking for is for people to follow laws CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
State you own the fucking gambling site instead of pretending it's some random shit. Only allow adults to gamble regardless of ingame or on external sites like every 'online casino' place.
LITERALLY FOLLOW THE FUCKING L A W
>>343711112
Post more cute ruby
I fucking doubt that a "bunch of concerned parents" all got together for lunch and sue Valve for what little johnny bought with his daddy's card.
>>343711458
>>jews created communism
>>jews created capitalism
>>jews created libertarianism
>>jews created feminism
Indeed.
You are based anon.
>>343711329
that's exactly it. Just like how every fucking teenager uses porn sites that say 18+.
No one gives a fuck this isn't going to change anything. Theyre barking at the moon in regards to safety of a few retarded kids
>>343707102
>HEHE
Oh look, its the old guy that think he is funny.
>>343711421
>But you're acting like that means something.
You know suing for a class action lawsuit gets you money right? Assuming the argument is about the law, he has a point.
There is nothing wrong with gambling. Doesn't matter if it's kids, teaches them young the value of money.
>>343711484
Anyone can use the api. The api isn't responsible for anything. It doesn't make you gamble it doesn't make you bet. Valve isn't responsible. No matter how much you shitpost wanting it to be
>>343711592
Gladly.
>>343711661
Please never breed
>>343711615
fantastic job ignoring the rest of what i said ;)
>>343711421
I'm not saying this case is going to be the be all end all on gambling in-game items, but at the very least those involved follow the laws currently in place
Kids and teens are still going to gamble, just like how they still smoke and drink, but putting up legislation against it will decrease the number significantly
>>343711665
>I'm making this issue valve vs the world and I must defend valve
Anon, please. Stop with your libertarian readings and don't browse reddit for a week.
>>343708635
Why did this video scare me
Microsoft will own PC gaming completely again and bring back Flight Simulator.
Down w Valve!!!
>>343711557
>wahhhhh why isn't he making more maymay videos >:::::(((((((
>>343711646
But we're not talking about lawsuits because as we know, these lawsuits have no legs. It's like a pseudo loophole of skins =/= money so all these sites are fine who cares.
And clearly nothing has changed since all these sites are still up. People are getting mad and using "m-m-m-muh kids!" as an excuse to try to further regulate something that isn't really going to get regulated, only an 18+ slapped on it
>>343709792
you cant trade items in overwatch, and nothing is rare enough to fret over.
>>343707102
I didnt know Valve was so fucking disgusting, I only used Steam for stuff like Total War and Civilization.
>>343711557
It's really hilarious
He started off by copying MDE but realized how many more shekels he can rake in by doing what hes doing now
>>343711747
It's a free country. People can do whatever they want.
>>343711615
>>>jews created communism
True
>>jews created capitalism
true
>>jews created libertarianism
true
>>>jews created feminism
true
Based as always.
>>343711864
Damn, you overblew my reaction with a big emoticon, you really showed me.
>>343711810
It's moreso valve isn't responsible.
Keep shitposting my friend, you get no more (You)'s from me
>>343711840
the music
it's literally just "SPOOKY ADOBE PREMIERE BACKTRACK"
>>343710452
You know online gambling is illegal in the US, where Valve is based, right?
Idiot.
>>343711557
Vape Nation wasn't even good and it's a huge fucking meme and it upsets me. He used to be based making fun of pranksters, now he's got collabed with everyone and just turned to shit
>>343711984
>shitposting
>MUH WAR BETWEEN VALVE VS THE WORLD
fuck you.
>>343711840
That unsettling music, and that old guy at the end. Its like one of the documentaries where they talk about the horrible shit serial killers did to their victims.
>>343711963
it was true to form, enjoy
>>343711557
>possessing and advocating morality is bad, it's only entertainment that matters
You are a part of the problem.
>>343711996
>You know online gambling is illegal in the US, where Valve is based, right?
You know theyre under a legal loophole right now right? That's the reason all of these sites are still up.
Idiot.
>>343711963
>>343711670
You're a good xhe anon
>>343709594
t. Tmartn
He says that there is gambling in the game then skips it and goes to thirdparty gambling sites instead.
???
Having gambling in your game is not good.
>but these youtube people lied about their site so its far more important!!
What? It's okay for mobile phone shit like Hearthstone to let kids gamble but when Valve does it it's suddenly a problem? Funny how all this shit started after Overwatch came out and introduced loot box gambling.
Hmmmmm.
>>343711996
Yeah but valve isn't endorsing, supporting, or operating gambling services my friend
>>343709103
all hail konami and their glorious pachinko machines
eastern gaming rules!
ITT: 13 year old valve faggots thinking attacking what they are doing is attacking their god Gaben
Please, go masturbate or something. Or go back to your home (((reddit))) and stay there.
>>343712194
This seriously isn't a big deal. If you know anything about law, valve cannot be sued for this. CSGO skins have no inherent value, valve just goes some money when people sell them to each other. Other skin gambling sites aren't gambling because the skins aren't worth anything really
>>343707102
He is a fucking idiot. CSGO IS FOR 18+ ONLY. Its 13+ only for a steam account.
>>343712341
Seriously, is there a more defensive fanbase than Valvefags?
>>343711661
When does exploiting people's weaknesses become a good thing? Smart people should help and guide stupid people, not rob them.
>>343712109
You should check where those sites are based out of. Hint: they're not in the US
Like piracy, its a loophole that the gov't will go after in the US, ie, Valve will be greasing some politicians to not get sued to hell.
What happened to Ethan? His vids from a few years back were funny but now hes just a whiteknight redditor
>>343712285
Valve's been doing it for years, starting with TF2
>>343712482
Not an argument
>>343711421
It's the people enabling the gambling that are being demonised dipshit. I'm not going to blame kids for making dumb decisions, but when you seek to profit by encouraging harmful behaviour among people who don't know better you become scum. This goes for people selling cigarettes to underages as well as the ecelebs involved in this.
Not to mention this is fraudulent behaviour by any definition and rightfully illegal
>>343712486
So it's suddenly a problem? Bullshit.
>>343712482
He's getting a little older and starting a family.
He has a fanbase that tells him everything he does is amazing, even tho some of it sucks.
He has a pretty stable income.
>>343712318
Theyre allowing their "marketplace," which has money involved, to be exported to sites that are connected to illegal gambling. Its like saying the heroin seller isnt responsible for selling heroin because he didnt make the heroin himself
What's going on? Why is valve responsible for what other websites do? Can I sue Fromsoft and Namco because soulsfags annoy me
But you can gamble on anything.
Gambling is kinda retarded to be honest, i don't understand the appeal of it.
Shouldn't you be educating kids instead restricting them about something? People aren't dogs.
>>343708704
They didn't break any criminal law. If they broke anything it would be subjective enforcement the FTC has civilly. If anything happens and thats if, no one is going to jail, no one is getting fined. The FTC might send them a letter asking for voluntary compliance, thats about it.
>>343712642
I dont think TF2 gambling and trading ever reached the scale of CSGO
>>343712451
It's not quite defensive I think they are in the mindset of CS Go players and e-sports retards in general
"IF IF I-IF YOU EVER SAY 1 WORD AGAINST THE COMPANY THAT SPONSORS ME I WILL FUCK REMOVE YOU FROM MY FRIENDS LIST"
>>343712285
Overwatch gambling was an "accident", the developers DIDN'T KNEW OR PROMOTED IT I SWEAR!
>>343712462
Holy shit get a load of this faggot.
Ok guys let's pack up all internet porn, alcohol, smokes, everything. Because of course weak people can get a access to it right. Let's not exploit weaknesses.
>B-b-but all of those are adults only!
buying CSGO itself is 18+ via ESRB rating. But of course kids can get a hold of that too!!
Let's get rid of everything!
Pretty sure CSGO has an age rating of 18+ so valve isn't at fault. Its the fault of parents not keeping watch of their kids and letting them play or get involved with things beyond their age rating and giving them access to credit and debit cards.
>>343712462
If you are stupid enough to spend money on cosmetic skins then you deserve to be exploited.
>>343712742
They are providing the currency and allowing users to link into their marketplace.
If you had to jump through several loopholes, valve would have a leg to stand on.
But the fact that you can literally sign into your steam account on gambling websites is a smoking gun.
Gambling is regulated as fuck in most countries. Valve is gonna get rekt.
>>343711432
>d-do i fit in now guys? :]
watch the fucking video retard, it concerns valve and the not so bright future of steam
god I really hope they lose this case so you pkeks are forced to use origin instead...
>>343712642
It started as a problem in csgo since kiddies grew up from CoD and got into that instead, then the le wacky Youtube people came along and made videos about them opening boxes.
And another thing is that you actually see what you could've gotten in the box as it spins through unlike tf2.
Gabe is laughing. He's laughing at us.
>>343712860
>18+
17+
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=100491&Title=Counter-Strike%3A%20Global%20Offensive
>>343712482
He's becoming a family man.
I hope Valve wins. The people sueing Valve are mad as fuck they gamble and lost.
Fucking cucks, rofl.
>>343707102
>playing counter stricke past beta 5
Kek.
Valve does not organzize any form of gambling. Why should they get held responsibile for others doing that? Thats like you getting arrested because people massively started betting on you doing mundane shit.
Sites G2A and Kinguin put money into that stuff by paying people to cheat their skins into the game and actively supporting the illegal community with money.
But okay - It's impossible to sue chinks and so everyone now wants Valve to take responsibilty.
>>343713034
Go back to fucking reddit or whatever hellhole you came from you absolute fucking autist.
>>343713021
You can log in any site if you have the api
Even porn sites if you wanted.
Using the api ≠ valve endorsing your site.
>>343709996
>vet a site
>don't make sure they follow TOS
You are a tremendous faggot.
>h3h3
fuck off underage
>>343713046
Age ratings differ for countries and I'm not familiar with american ratings but is that the highest rating other than the adult/porn rating they can give?
Valve is going to remove their api forever inconveniencing a ton of developers and this retard suing isn't going to see a single dime
What >>343713189 said
5. Limited Relationship. You and Valve are independent contractors, and nothing in these API Terms of Use shall be construed as creating an employer-employee relationship, a partnership, or a joint venture. While you may publicly refer to the fact that you have implemented the Steam Web API, you agree not make any other public statements that assert or imply any other relationship with Valve, unless you have Valve's prior written approval.
Can someone tell me if valve can get in trouble for this? how is it their fault
>>343713189
Valve gave them specific access to their network to allow sign in through valve's protected servers. You're wrong.
>>343713247
kek
>>343713146
>Valve does not organzize any form of gambling
>Valve drop skins "By accident"
>you open the chest and win a skin "by accident"
>you sell it in their valve community
LOL
>>343707102
youtubers are shady, gamers are morons, and skin crates are retarded, yes I know this.
Splicing in "OH MY GOD, THE CHILDREN!!!!!!" every minute wont make me feel like I should cry tears of sadness. you must be 18 to have a credit card or to have a steam account. if there are actually cases of kids suffering from this and not just retarded 20something slavs then its because mommys drinking while lil jimmy is allowed to fuck away with his moms stuff. We didnt allow "think of the children" to take away our fun, dont become the virtue-signaling prick that tries to bring it back now that it doesnt bother you.
obviously they should disclose what they need to. that goes without saying. But Im sick of people trying to make others look bad by chiming in with "the kids/a kid!". especially "internet commentators/reactors" (and youtube personalities in general). its like they all suddenly realized theyre fucking cancer and are now trying to look like the not-cancer by throwing each other under the bus. and the easiest way of doing that is by going for the most basic fucking protective instinct in the world. "hes bad for kids! She takes advantages of kids! He's probably a pedophile! What if some KIDS saw this video this bad youtuber made?"
ugh
>>343713316
they are associated with the fraudulent company
more than enough reason for gabe to go to jail
>>343713404
RNG drops are not gambling.
I don't pay anything to get those drops.
>>343713304
>that image
So some a man with no life made this k
>>343707102
Did this guy have a stroke or something? Is English not his first language? He looks like he's struggling to move his mouth properly.
>>343713314
You can easily make the argument that valve did not do their due diligence in preventing underage users from accessing gambling sites.
Legal write offs like this are common, and they are never ironclad.
Counter Strike Global Offensive is rated M (17+)
>>343713446
>you must be 18 to have a credit card or to have a steam account
gambling under 21 is illegal
>>343713316
They can't, this case doesn't have a legal ground to stand on. Just a retard who lost his money trying to blame valve for his own problems
>>343713304
USA have a more stritic rating than M(mature 17+) but most games don't get it because companies such as Rockstar lobby and pay big money so they games don't get the Adults Only certificate
>>343713487
>get those drops.
But you have to pay to open and/or see the content
>>343713546
gambling is 18-21+ in most countries you fucking shill.
>>343713546
so was the original and Source
holla holla get dolla
>>343713650
in my country is illegal in every way or form
>>343710636
at least you tired
>>343713650
which means regardless, children shouldn't be playing either.
Checkmate, mate.
>>343713727
Exactly. Gambling is one of the highest regulated industries in the world, and valve did little to nothing to prevent their service from being intertwined with it.
They are hella culpable.
>>343713650
IT'S NOT EVEN LEGALLY CONSIDERED GAMBLING
>blaming Valve for profiting off of retards
>not retards for falling for it
also this shit isn't really gambling.
Gambling is done for financial gain, you get nothing out of it except a let profit or loss and it's usually a loss.
Which is why it's so damaging to the addicted.
Crateshit is more like a carnival attraction, you can win a stuffed bear that's worthless but only by chance and the house still profits overall.
>>343713587
Not an issue.
TF2 introduced that ages ago and its not the issue here either.
If anything is the problem its skin betting on matches.
Buying keys to get creates open is like buying YGO booster packs. You get something out of it atleast even if its shit. Gambling often lets you keep nothing.
Protip: Casinos and online betting is the most clean and easy way to laundry money from drug dealing.
>>343713937
The word is Launder
>>343711557
>hehe let me post le cute anime gurl so people will take me seriously XXDDDD
>>343713795
Exactly. Which is why valve is getting sued. They did not actively prevent their service from being mixed into gambling circles.
If you sell a product and let gambling sites use your server infrastructure to log in within the sites, you are responsible for making sure your customers are protected from illegal activity, like underage gambling.
>>343713247
>shell at the bottom
fuck
>>343707102
the fuck is wrong with him
>>343713923
The problem is the way they give you the ""random""" packs
Everyone knows it's not by accident. They know you will buy the key and will buy another one, and another one and will sell it
You're all idiots, lawsuits have happened, nothing has changed. The case has no backbone. So argue legality all you want, everything is as it is.
Go be autistic about muh children on Reddit or something
>>343714052
in my country laundry = launder
same word , I forgot that in english you use different.
>>343714136
>the problem is that they give you the opportunity to make a stupid move
>and profit if you do it
>>343713247
>implying this isn't most of /v/
>>343713795
difference is it's not illegal for children to play games above their age rating.
<---- pictures theres a crying pc wojak here
IM SCARED BROS, WILL WE HAVE TO MOVE TO ORIGIN?
I DONT WANT TO MOVE
>>343713882
The gangling sites are, not the crate opening, which is what the fucking video is about.
>>343708291
>defending bullshit micro transactions in any way
>>343714136
>The problem is the way they give you the ""random""" packs
>Everyone knows it's not by accident.
There is an algorithim for it. But everyone gets the same.
>people getting addicted to buying shit.
The same risk as getting addicted to trading cards. Kids can still buy those in any country.
>>343714267
Good tip though, i'll take that into consideration
>>343713914
The issue here is that you can actually sell those items for real money (not just valve credit shit) through 3rd party sites, and valve might have allowed it in some way. Honestly i think there is nothing wrong about harvesting money from retards anyway.
>>343713518
he's a jew from israel
Actually I looked it up and CSGO has no license/ToS other than the general Steam/valve subscriber agreement so technically you only need to be 13 years old to play. (ESRB is completely voluntary and not backed by any law). So if anything Valve would stop being able to be bro's trying sell games to all ages essentially and be forced to lock shit down to 18+.
>>343713727
Japan?
>>343714084
>people violate law
>blame company
you dumb
>>343714361
Kids can get addicted to fucking Soda for fucks sakes. That's not even an argument, stop meaningless discourse about fucking nothing.
>>343714331
And valve isn't responsible for 3rd party sites
There's a website that lets you bet real money on fighting game matches, where's the capcom lawsuit
>>343713247
What do bioshock and deadspace have to do with humor?
>>343714439
You cannot allow or endorse illegal activity to go on in your storefront or business.
Please kill yourself you insufferable faggot.
CSGO is a shit game for slavshit teenagers who's PC's cant run better games
>>343714367
yeah but steam linking is pretty open to anyone.
I don't know how hard it is to get steam login for your third-party website but I've seen steam login on a plethora of sites and I doubt Valve has looked into them all if even the majority.
I'm also unsure of the law but I'm pretty sure permitting account authentication doesn't make you equally responsible for the content of a website.
>>343714492
salty bet is dat shit my nigga
>>343714561
NO ONE. ENDORSED. ANYONE. HOLY SHIT.
>>343712814
People actually buying porn?
Also, all this shit is somehow regulated when gambling in videogames out of control. Basically just a regular scum. It's already sucks a bunch, making excuse for it doesn't help at all. Why won't we just bomb everything back to the middle ages, if it's doesn't matter anymore.
>>343708635
>that video
God is dead.
>>343708501
1) loot crate is a horrible reward system and i hate it
2) even when you lose, you get paltry penance to purchase most of the remaining items
3) you can't trade the items, thus they cannot be turned into $
>>343714386
How is this any different to porn sites, they state the sites are for 18+ just like games can but they cant enforce it, they don't arrest kids for looking at porn.
>>343714492
That website doesn't allow you to link into Capcom's store and use real money to bet.
You're ignoring the main issue with this out of stupidity or trolling.
>>343714561
>You cannot allow or endorse illegal activity to go on in your storefront or business.
You can't do anything against it if the sites doing those illegal activities are located in China or some other third world shithole.
And not doing anything against it doesn mean they are endorsing it.
>>343707102
>people hating small businesses
>The guy who shills for crunchy roll and loot crate 24/7 claiming to have morality
Fuck him I bet he is angry cause he didnt got paid to shill skins
So what is the solution?
That CS:GO kills itself?
That Valve kills the option for people to log into their database resulting into plenty of innocent and useful sites becoming useless?
Obama invading China to kill G2A and their clones who fund this shit?
>>343714617
They didn't? Several CSGO teams were sponsored by betting sites on official tourneys, and valve allowed them to use their protected login infrastructure.
>>343714806
the guy sucks but (unfortunately) he is right about this video and CS:GO/Valve
>>343714806
>>people hating small businesses
Because gambling that targets children should really be supported.
>>343709748
Yeah, instead you get to waste your money on paid online :^)
>>343714492
>valve isn't responsible for the sites they whitelist
>those facial expressions
is this guy the final boss of LA noire?
Based Valve winning the lawsuit.
Mad cucks are mad because they lost while gambling and made a failed lawsuit.
Kill yourselves.
>>343713247
>ICQ
>PeptoBismol
>underage
wut
>>343714693
CSGOloot is based in U.S. Many of the top betting sites are US based because they use the loophole that its not actually money, which has never been legally tested.
>>343714874
Nothing because people are retarded. Theyre crying
waaaaaaah waaaah my children waaah
For pretty much nothing to change except maybe a nice slick golden 18+ sticker on websites
valve/steam isnt gonna be damaged by this.
only the gambling site.
its like if i suddenly made a company where people bring their toilet paper to gamble and be able to win more toilet paper.
the super market they bought it from isnt gonna be damaged the my company will though.
thread over everyone can go home.
> Taking advantage of old outdated laws that were created before computers were even a thing
> Not scummy
Creates are gambling, no other way to see it. They prey on gambling addicts and little kids hoping to get a knife to make a profit without realizing the odds are heavily stacked against them
>bet money on shitty skins
>lose
>try to sue Valve to get my money back and ruin it for everyone because i lose
This guy.
He is literally ''That kid'' that tried to get games from their school banned after losing one single time against his classmates.
>>343714984
Top KEK.
Thats coke.
remembe the bald coke guy doing the same, because he was tired.
>>343714686
you are the definition of stupid.
>>343714916
>gambling that targets children should really be supported.
What is all the mobile games market?
Why doesn't he make the same video on all the free2play shit on the mobile market?
Why doesnt he reveal lootcrate is actually shit the same with crunchy roll ?
gb2reddit
>>343714686
Valve api doesn't let you use real money to bet.
As much as I hate 14 year olds that play CS GO I feel bad for them losing money on scam websites
And TMARTIN sucks, fucking trash
>>343714984
He has a form of Parkinson's or tourettes if i remember correctly
>>343714916
>Because gambling that targets children should really be supported.
Most carnivals and amusement places have their version of gambling. Hell some countries even have low roller games for the kids that payout real money. Society didn't collapse.
>>343715173
it's tourettes
>>343715173
>tourettes
BOB SAGET
>>343708291
Seeing how many of these sites there are and how they have endless supply of the shit, odds are they are. Valve literally better have covered their tracks or they are gonna take a massive hit. Best case scenario is the Supreme Court decides that their non traditional gambling loophole allows it, but that is unlikely.
Syndicate and Tmartn are on suicide watch though. The instant someone files against that site, they are gonna be fucked hard.
>>343715156
>What is all the mobile games market?
Which, FYI, there has been changes to laws and every single platform has altered the way their apps/games work in accordance.
So, good job going against your own point faggot LMAO
>>343715173
Also autism and assburgerrs.
>>343708635
>play CS:GO
>stomp people even at high ranks
>they get pissed because I have no skins
>>343714915
He is right about valve becoming a bunch of kikes but "THINK OF MUH CHILDREN " is beyond stupid does the guy think Kids have access to credit cards and dont have parents?
>>343715151
>continuously explain to you that the issue is valve whitelisting websites targeting children for underage gambling.
>you ignore
toppest of keks m80
>>343715169
>money comes from parents who unattend his children
they deserve it.
>>343715350
source?
What's the worst MMO regarding scaming people?
>Overwatch
>Black Desert Online
>WoW
>>343715408
In amerifat land kids get their own unlimited golden credit cards when they turn 12.
>>343714916
im all ok about this. Maybe this will get parents to actually watch what their kid is doing on the internet instead of giving him their open credit card and a bit of whiskey in his milk.
you'd think that people would use their heads, but these people are retarded. same people that complaing about what airs on tv and radio, and video games. control your kids, and don't allow them to listen ot watch them stuff, change the channel. but nope, they blame the medium instead of their parenting
>>343714874
The solution is no third party gambling you fucking mongoloid.
>>343715350
>has been changes to laws and every single platform has altered the way their apps/games work in accordance.
Doesn't stop them from taking advantage over children
>he thinks laws are fairy dust that fixes everything
LMAO
>>343711557
not to mention that he's hypocritical as fuck about his new founded morality.
just go look at all the shit he's ever talked or said about Matty B or a bunch of other kids being kids and uploading that shit to youtube. How are you gonna call out Leafy or anyone else for "bullying innocent kids" when one of your most popular videos is you just screaming in disgust for 20 minutes at some 13 year old kid rapping a Biggie Smalls song.
>>343715168
It lets you use skins, which are paid for with real money, and can be redemed for real money.
Which is why its a legal loophole.
Which is why they are getting sued to see if it holds up in court (it won't).
>>343715439
Csgolongue requires 21+ tho
>>343715392
It's fucking great, I love nerds who fucking think I'm some rookie because I don't buy cosmetic shit and kick their asses
>>343708635
>my steam market activity
great video holy shit
>>343715552
Okay. How do you want to stop that?
Those sites are not within legal range.
>>343715408
He is just saying that Valve knows 13-14 year old kids will use their parents money and shit parents won't even bother until they spend 500 dollars in a month
>>343715298
And kids don't have access to carnivals 24/7 with their parents credit cards. I guess if something hasn't caused society to collapse then we shouldn't do anything about it.
>>343715530
oh shit really i didnt know that when you put it that way it makes sense
>>343714984
He has a mild form of tourettes
>>343715593
You can't redeem skins for money via valve services my Friend
>>343715392
You are doing gods work anon.
The main issue I have here is that Valve is right. Their skins don't equal real money. At best it equals Store credit. AFAIK all ways of turning your steam wallet into cash are against the rules. That being said the two youtubers are fucktards and they should be the ones getting sued.
>Sueing Valve because his wifes son wasted thousands of his dollars on Steam Summer Camp trading cards and knives
This guy is pathetic. Sad!
>>343715641
How about valve doesn't allow you to link your steam accounts with them?
>>343715552
And the solution to the nonexistent problem in your opinion is to get rid of offshore gambling sites because that will help mmmmuh kids
>>343715483
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/JasPurewal/20140721/221536/EU_regulation_of_free_to_play_games_hot_air_or_hot_topic.php
>Games should not contain direct exhortation to children to buy items in a game or to persuade an adult to buy items for them;
>Consumers should be adequately informed about the payment arrangements for purchases and should not be debited through default settings without consumers’ explicit consent;
>“Not using the word “free” at all when games contain in-app purchases.
>Developing targeted guidelines for its app developers to prevent direct exhortation to children as defined under EU law and timeframed measures to help monitor apparent breaches of EU consumer laws.
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/newsroom/consumer-marketing/news/1401222_en.htm
>Apple has also committed to discontinue the use of the word "free" in the button used to download games with in-app purchases, and informed its app developers of the relevant EU legislation. It is also preparing a substantial change to its payment authorisation settings for next spring so that users will be able to choose between options in a neutral way.
For starters...
>>343715646
> parents won't even bother until they spend 500 dollars in a month
So its the fault of the parents allowing them to waste that money
>I VOLUNTARILY GAVE MY KID 500 DOLLARS AND KNOW AM PISSED TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT
>>343715106
Except there is the whole loot crate bullshit that's literally gambling.
I would fucking love for that shit to get taken to court. All of gaming would benefit from that shit being shunned.
>>343715606
CSGOloot doesn't. Many of the top ones do not, including several whitelisted by valve.
Again, this was only legal because of the loophole that it isnt money. If the court rules that skins are a form of "funny money" aka currency used for gambling that can be redeemed for real cash to avoid the law(which is exactly what skins are used for), the will get rekt by the feds for underage gambling.
>>343715586
B-but hes a big boy, he can take the flak! T-totally not the same shit, guys!
I really fucking hate what he is doing now, the channel was pretty decent back then when he wasnt trying to be internet jesus.
>>343715564
Good job demonstrating you're underage.
>>343715836
>Implying if give two shits about kids
This shit is shady as fuck and borderline illegal. And what the fuck do you mean "offshore"? Almost all of these site's servers are in the US.
>>343715709
you can using innumerable 3rd party sites, which valve has done nothing to prevent.
>>343715392
I play this game just to piss people off
>>343715156
When did anyone say mobile markets were fine Valvedrone?
>Gb2 Reddit
>Imgur Filename of unfunny Youtuber
Nice going ousting yourself fuccboi :^]
>>343707102
what's wrong with his eyebrows?
>>343715830
That would mean that plenty of innocent sites who have fuckall to do with gambling would die as well.
This is one of my many reasons why I stopped playing CSGO. The skins too much of a hold of the game. People don't actually care about the game, only textures that cover your guns.
>>343709103
>100 dollar knife
>implying it has any actual value and isnt just some lazy texture work that modders have been doing since the beginning of time for free.
>>343715894
All it would do is increase the price of gaming across the board. Loot crates allow a small portion of the player base to essentially fund the entire game.
Personally since I am not an autist it would only hurt me in the form of increased game prices and less free to me content.
>>343707102
>youtube jew meme man exploiting memes for shekels
his wife is so jewish it is painful to look at her goyim.
>>343715845
>Games should not contain direct exhortation to children to buy items in a game or to persuade an adult to buy items for them
I can just put in my app "want more content"
"make the game easier" , "wait for less time" and boom am no longer exhorting people also
"the game is free but the premium version is not" or put my game like apple said "Neutral games "
See how easy it is
"The goal was to put gamers in a position where they had random chances"
>random chances
>RANDOM
>OUR SOFTWAREEEEEEE IS TOTALLY FAIR
LOL!
Damn, this was a great exposing. I need some more EXPOSING VIDEOS.
POST MORE EXPOSING VIDEOS!
How many of you actually watched the video?
>>343715439
whats your deal anon?
>>343716032
That's not valves responsibility.
EQ items were sold via eBay and Sony never got any flack
>>343715739
Funny money isn't legal when used for gambling. The feds aren't retarted. If i spend 100 usd for 99 fun bucks, use the fun bucks to gamble, and then cash out, its not legal.
Valve has done nothing to prevent 3rd party sites that allow cashing in.
If you want to sue Valve for lootcrates how about you sue every single one of the billion iphone and android games that do the same thing?
Good luck. If you can't keep your kids in check you only have yourself to blame. Everyone shouldn't suffer because you are an an awful parent.
>>343711058
>which kike created the idea of self-governance
stfu you vacuous mongrel
>competitive """gaming"""
>competitive """gamers"""
>>343716106
>blacklist confirmed gambling sites
>this affects all sites
okay.
I bought this for $40 so it can sit above my battle station.
At least it's not an anime figurine I guess. It's also an actual tool.
>>343716229
I was subbed to him up until the VapeNation/Leafy garbage then the preceding awful content
Vape nation was never funny and is an awful meme
>>343716196
see >>343715939
Please stop pretending as if you understand things when you refuse to even bother reading a basic article. Learn to be ok with not replying, it only highlights how much of a whiteknight fool you are.
>>343716229
I'm not going to watch b8h3 he takes hot topics from Reddit and tries to play the audience by taking the morale high ground.
>>343715564
are you literally retarded?
The point is that shit is getting regulated more and more. Everyone knows it's shady as fuck and trying to get it under control.
The point you are so obviously missing is that the way it is now isn't OK and it is going to change. It's a brand new fucking market that has only been around for like 5 years. Companies like Valve and EA that have been gaming the system with loopholes are going to fucking get hit HARD. Like, windows anti-trust hard. They will be monitored extremely closely in the years that follow.
>>343707102
>csgo skins are the equivalent of Pachinko
Who would've guessed
>>343716303
nigga you retarded.
>>343716341
who are you quoting
>>343715408
Looks like 2 eggs
>>343716360
thats different since its not just some skin on a server
>>343716360
The collection is actually pretty cool, but has zero to do with this thread.
>>343716229
Judging by this thread, only about ~6% of posters actually watched through more than half of it.
>>343716360
you spent $40 too many, friend. it'd be better if you spent that on a leatherman; or a similar multitool. i don't want to push one brand above others.
>>343716294
It is absolutely their responsibility if their currency is being used for underage gambling.
Companies are forced to be proactive with stuff like this, especially huge companies like valve.
>>343716360
You're an actual tool. xD
>>343707102
How is this valves fault
I hate to speculate but can anyone check to see if that lawsuit is from that videogamelaywer dude. Him and h3h3 studios are friends
seems like h3h3 was just asked to make a video about it so it can gain public traction
>>343716214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9RjDRLBWio
>>343715739
The Valve one is very iffy. On one hand it is what you said, on the other it is heavily based on a gambling structure AND kids under 21 can partake in it. Very curious to see how this case ends. I think Valve will probably get away without taking that big a hit if any at all. Essentjally if they do get fucked, then all microtransactions such as CSGO's could be under the umbrella of being considered gambling if they lose.
But yeah the two ecelebs better pray to God that little Timmy's mommy doesn't sue them. They straight up broke a law and did a shit job of covering it up.
>FUCK [group]
>what is this someone is suing [group] because of [thing]
>YEAH, I HATE [thing]
>I'VE ALWAYS HATED [thing]
>FUCK [group]
>>343716492
two sexy eggs with a couple wet holes in it.
>>343716303
what is illegal is if there is a house that is taking a cut/rake. People can get together and gamble under federal law, not an issue if funny money or real money.
>>343716567
Yep, this is a classic but I've already seen it.
>>343716075
oh you do?
check out my video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtabLWzoOU
>>343716360
Shit, that looks pretty nice, is it sharp, can you actually use it?
>>343716575
Exactly. Valve might escape but there is certainly legal issues with what they are doing. If the loophole of "its not real money" doesn't hold they're fucked.
>>343716294
Sony was never a fan of RMT's but there wasn't much they could do about it.
folks were banned for it.
the difference here is the items are sold for money. If it was just in game currency that had no real value or they were locked to your account it wouldn't matter. Hell it wouldn't matter if valve didn't facilitate the system.
They could actively ban sites that offered gambling from linking to steam. They didn't because it made them more money.
It's really the gambling aspect that is the problem here, not that virtual items were being sold for money.
>>343716643
no its actually illegal. thats why snitches get stitches.
>>343716553
I'm about to be done with Ethan if he makes another autistic video pretending to be a saint
>>343716360
bet you feel extra badass when you cut your pizza with it you lonely fat fuck
>>343708291
>charging for the CHANCE to get a neat item
I like valve's games but let's be real. That's pretty dang greasy and it leaks into other games once the devs realize how easy it is to separate idiots from their mom's money.
>>343707102
Steam money =/= real money
the money doesn't go to your paypal. It goes to your steam wallet, which isn't real money. It's steam store credit.
>>343716164
It's not about the skin, it's about it's market value for gambling.
The skins are the equivalent of chips in a casino.
>>343716643
We're talking about underage gambling you retarded faggot.
>>343709949
Not even. It was a last gen game. They basically left it to die after launch anyways, I don't think skins are even there. I remember everyone shitting on it hard for months saying it wasn't as good as the original. Adding skins seems like it was a hail Mary.
>>343707102
FUCKING JEW
>>343716409
Cant wait for the gambling wars
>>343716405
>Calling someone underage is know considered and argument
>People cant have their freedom to waste their money on stupid shit they must be regulated
>>343713518
>Is English not his first language?
hebrew is his first language.
>>343707102
I hope Tump makes video game laws that fuck this shit game industry into the ground.
It also needs a sin tax
>>343711107
>Strip game of all crates? No more microtransactions?
This is acrateidea realy.
>>343716663
This one is not valve-related but great one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FElmjlzdSSM
>jew complaining about non-jews making money
>Yes goyim Valve is evil for selling boxes filled with random items
>Don't forget to subscribe to Lootcrate.com/h3h3!
>>343716823
Gambling doesn't have to involve real money to get in legal trouble.
Pokemon doesn't have casinos anymore because it goes against some EU regulation.
>>343716360
>It's also an actual tool.
No it isn't. It's a decoration. No one would use that in the wilderness.
>>343716482
Let's say I have a business where I have slot machines that dispense tokens, and you trade them in for money. Same concept, and that's still illegal
>>343716764
>If the loophole of "its not real money" doesn't hold they're fucked.
It's hard to argue that, since the money can be used on the largest videogame store on the planet.
It's not Valve's fault people want to gamble their shit
>>343717003
STOP.
SHILLING.
CROWBCAT.
>>343708635
Based CrowbCat.
>>343717010
When the jew is right we must say he is right even though he is a fucking kike
>>343716805
no its it not. Your state might have its own laws but federally its perfectly legal to get together with people and play gambling games.
>>343716992
>I hope Tump makes video game laws
What's with /v/ and a complete lack of understanding on how the government works?
I don't care about what happens to the CS:GO gambling sites or the TF2 ones that are apparently closing now, but if this ends affecting Valve the only thing that will happen is that they will implement more bothersome checks.
Ideally, they would implement proper parental controls with features like only allowing the parent to edit inventory settings, coupled with inventories not publicly visible by default (and haven't been for a long time).
>>343708959
Valve does not whitelist sites
Valve has an automated system and most trade bots trigger this system from false reports and high trade amounts
The account is flagged and then checked to see if it's a scamming bot then unflagged
thats it
valve does not fucking investigate these websites AT ALL
ask any of these betting sites and their interaction with valve is probably one or two emails and hundreds of unanswered emails
you have to remember that valve is an extremely small company, the dev team for CSGO is small. I don't know the number but it's probably under 30, DOTA2 only has about 10 devs working on it. They don't have time to spend to verify these trading/betting sites
>>343717085
>>343716764
It already has held you retarded faggots why do you think all these sites are still up.
>>343715408
Gross.
>>343717204
>valve does not fucking investigate these websites AT ALL
Which is negligence.
>>343717121
It isn't, first off. Online gambling is illegal in many countries (we're not just talking about US here) and many states have 1000s of pages of regulation, of which valve is certainly breaking some.
This is the equivalent of him attacking Cigarette companies because he thinks the legal age is too low.
Pathetic.
>>343717310
yeah but dont sell it as compliance
>>343717204
They do whitelist sites.
Only certain websites allow you to link into your account through their websites.
Sites that valve vets individually.
>>343717214
Because they haven't been sued yet.
>>343717310
That's an entirely different issue and argument
>>343717369
I used to like him
>>343717369
while this does show (((Ethan))) is a shallow kike, it is not an argument against his criticisms and complaints portrayed in this latest video
>>343713923
What? Skin betting has nothing to do with this, and it's fine as it is. Gambling your skins on these certain websites is what's the problem, not trading or betting.
>>343717483
>>343717369
I used to love him
Then he turned to reddit's welcoming arms.
>>343717312
yes it is, you have no idea what you are talking about. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the rest of the world its a fucking miracle their shit hole governments even allow video games at all.
>>343708959
How to access Steam inventories, and other useful Steam community features in your own site
>find the Steam API page
>request an API key
>get API key
>use API key
>read API documentation and code shit, using the API key
>>343715156
Who is this beautiful human
>>343707102
holy shit
>>343717048
if you want to get technical a gutknife is actually a legit tool, its used to skin game
>>343717369
DONT FORGET THIS VIDEO WAS SPONSORED BY NOT SCAM STORE
LOOTCRATE™
We also LOVE ANIME AND ALL ANIME FANS ARE AWARE CRUNCHY ROLL™ IS THE BEST
>>343711957
>>343711615
>>343711458
>>343711058
>>343710901
We had nothing to do with capitalism, you idiots. We HATE capitalism. We aren't libertarians either. We use faux-libertarianism to prevent real libertarianism from becoming popular. Our end goal is social and legal anarchy combined with economic and political communism.
I swear, /v/ is even more gullible than /pol/. You believe whatever we tell you to believe. This is why our race has such contempt for yours. You act like animals and have the intelligence of chimpanzees.
>>343717429
>>343717462
It isn't. If you are negligent and allow your service to be incorporated into an illegal activity(underage gambling) you are liable.
This thread makes me wants to play CSGO for some reason, sheesh
>>343717561
Cr1tikal
https://www.youtube.com/user/penguinz0
>>343717619
Well if you like anime you can't be a bad person,Crunchyroll let's you support the anime industry
>buying skins
>SKINS
gamers are fucking retards
this is worse than TF2
so glad i dont play any valve crap
>>343717539
I'm glad you're ignoring a significantly relevant point to the discussion because of your autism.
>>343717153
Laws can be praposed and voted on.
Thats why an A.O rating exists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO22YayYqYE
Fuck mOE.
Fuck gambling sites.
No one has posted this yet?
>>343717450
THEY DO NOT WHITELIST SITES stop spreading this misinformation
they whitelist developers who work with the API because you know you can't just give every fucking retard API access. That does not mean they approve of their websites or even know what they plan to do with the API you FUCKIGN retard.
Do you even fucking realize how huge of a liability each website would be? Each change and update would require that valve makes sure it's not gonna fuck them over.
Give me a single fucking source or evidence that valve is vetting any of these sites, valve is the lazies fucking company in the world. I bet you could fill out their API form with bullshit and still get access if you know what your doing.
>>343717802
stop this shit crunchyroll is a cancer
>>343717802
tell that to /a/
I want you to go to and write Crunchyroll let's you support the anime industry
go on
do it redditboy
>>343717069
snitches get stitches.
>>343717619
lootcrate gives its patrons worthless garbage, but this garbage isn't sold on a product license and they can't take it from you if they decide to close shop.
>>343716992
Trump recanted that statement. He said that when he posted it he knew nothing about the subject and that now that he's looked into it he understands that video games are harmless.
>>343717829
>Using skins as currency
lmfao what is this Maya?
>>343717802
he doesn't like anime that's his point retard. he's pandering to his retarded fanbase. jontron shilled crunchyroll, and since h3h3 leeched off of jons fame when he moved to new york, hes just making the transition into being minijon that much smoother by pandering to his fanbase.
>>343717619
Lootcrate must be the biggest open scam I've ever seen.
>pay X ammount of dollars a month to get a 5$ worth of useless junk that is impossible to resell
>>343709975
You're so fucking stupid
>>343717369
I don't know who these people are, but good on em. Admitting that you're wrong after releasing insulting content is a very respectable move on their part. Nihilistic edgelords like /v/ aren't going to stop people from doing the right thing.
>>343717829
optional
gameplay still fun
>>343717539
gambling is only legal in las vegas numb nuts.
>>343717886
>1:03:41
no thanks
>>343717887
Which is exactly what the point of the suit is you autist, that valve allowed their service to be tied in with illegal activities whether through negligence or tacit approval via API.
>>343717970
nfi i havent touched any games with markets item shops or stupid shit ever
>>343717010
Yeah, that's literally all there is to it. H3H3 is literally a mossad operation (his wife is an admitted mossad agent) to ruin non-jewish youtubers' reputations so that jews will 100% control youtube.
>>343716408
>by taking the morale high ground.
>He's a good guy, so I don't like him
>>343718080
>tacit approval
lol
>>343707102
Skin collecting autists deserve to be poor. If you blow a whole paycheck on .vtf files then you have nobody to blame but yourself because budgeting your income is easier than taking a shit and if you can't do it then you have the problem solving skills of a fucking cucumber.
How hard is it to not buy something that you know for a fact is not only a pointless trinket, but literally fucking nothing? At least a $300 paperweight can be thrown at a would-be burglar, but a tacky-looking gun skin is so useless that its possible applications can best be described as "imaginary." Help me understand why people defend the troglodytes who do this to themselves.
>>343717943
Worthless 3$ garbage at a very expensive price
>>343717995
>Killing yourself is optional
>B-but everyones doing it so i wunna do it too
if the option to do it is there people are going to do it same with drug use
>>343718080
youre the type of nigger that wipes his dogs ass when he takes a shit.
>>343717992
they didn't release any insulting content. They made a video about a guy pretending to be trans as a prank, then uploaded the video making fun of that guy and pasted that comment in the comment section as soon as they uploaded it. It's just more pandering bullshit from the biggest shill on youtube. Disgusting how he fucking flipped so fast when he got a taste of ill gotten fame.
>>343717069
Slot machines (other than transport between states) is not a federal issue. Your jurisdiction can do whatever they want.
How many valvedrone actually watches the vid before shitting on h3h3?
>>343707102
Oh boy the most cancerous channel on YouTube
>>343718147
allowing your users account to be linked into 3rd parties absolutely lends an air of approval to the website.
Again, you fucking faggots don't know anything about law and don't understand criminal/civil negligence.
hey guys my child used google to buy illegal drugs
how do I sue google
they LET this happen
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
WHERES MY TEN BILLION
>>343718195
worse than a food analogy
>>343717771
you know, my espanol is bad but...
What.
Love how this jew plays the moral police on youtube. Fucking cancer.
>>343718149
This is what i cant understand.
At least new weapons maps and stuff you can use differently is sort of justified.
SKINS literal TEXTURES THAT DO NOTHING are been sold for real money.
i cant wait for feds to shut this down and kill valve.
they are fucking evil since 2012 and have made nothing NOTHING original
>>343718364
I bet you are a gun confiscation advocate. europoors should be banned from this site.
>>343713914
its one extra button to get money from that shit. its close enough to gambling for a case to be made.
if valve just made skins untradable, this whole thing would go away.
>>343711840
Because you probably spent money on virtual hats at one point and it makes you feel like a real piece of shit.
>>343718364
>I know about law I've read it on the internet
lol
>>343718080
Everyone can get key to Valve's API. It's really, really simple. You just go to the develpment site and get one. It will be linked to your steam account.
Whatever you do with it it's allowed by it's services, but it's not endorsed. I am sure if you find a way to hack people using the API somehow, Valve of course wouldn't endorse the action, but it's something you would be able to do. Hypothetically speaking of course.
>>343718412
You fail at logic.
>>343709983
>>343710529
>acting high and mighty because you've seen highlander
kek
>CS:GO
Counter Strike died after 1.6
Lmao. Ethan blowing the fuck out of these 2 scumlords
1) screw them for scamming people, and lying/deceiving
but also
2) retards who actually fall for this are, well, stupid. what's the saying say? a fool and his money and his money are soon parted
>spending fucking $300+ on VIRTUAL SKINS
so stupid
>>343718614
you fail at freedom.
>>343718342
it really is he has become a shell of what he claimed to hate
>hates clickbait titles
>produces clickbait titles
>call people sellout
>becomes one
>claims to have moral ground
>the videos that got most of his fame was him making fun of kids
>>343707102
where was he born? That's such an odd accent
>>343714806
>being a populist retard
>>343718325
I mean did you
He spent like 4mins on valve then went onto a tangent regarding some scummy shit youtubers are doing which has nothing to do with valve or csgo betting
or frankly why betting is such a bad thing
Friend of mine used to make skins, got a couple in, reckoned Valve might be in a bit of shit in the near future, said this about 6 months ago.
If a big mainstream media outlet gets a hold of the story and decides it's scapegoatin' time, Valve is also getting trial a by public opinion.
>>343718325
Me. Big fucking hullabaloo over nothing. Some online guys may have gone against civil FTC guidelines. Didn't need a fucking drawn out video to say that. Instead I got some faggot john oliver cock sucker mother fucker trying to tell me about the puritan woes of gaming.
>>343718364
websites that have a "post to facebook" button are as much an air of approval as steam's api is.
>>343718673
h3h3 has redeemed himself
at least he's focusing on people who deserve it now
its ok when blizzard does it.
>>343707102
when did kripp get his hair back?
>>343718692
again, you fail HARD at logic.
You have to be literally retarded.
>>343718552
Im actually a minarchist.
But im a minarchist that understands law and how it functions.
I don't have to support what the government does to explain how its mechanisms operate you faggot.
>>343714286
it should be
>>343718547
>evil
CSGO's crate and key system is done with the full support of its buyers. Steam doesn't steal from people, or trick them out of money; they straight up say, "pay us money and you will MAYBE get something nice" and people happily oblige.
How are they evil for engaging in a mutual transaction with these people?
>free enterprise is good until it's something I don't approve of
>>343718731
>then went onto a tangent
>The entire point of the video
>A tangent
>>343718837
you fail at life. click all of the pictures for free.
>>343718727
>Hating on a guy who has a reddit army and has a huge voice on youtube and claim to be all about "helping the youtube community" trying to claim moral ground over others makes me a populist
Do you know what populism is?
>>343718803
1) loot crate is a horrible reward system and i hate it
2) even when you lose, you get paltry penance to purchase most of the remaining items
3) you can't trade the items, thus they cannot be turned into $
JoshOG Dindu 'nuffin #Freeweed
>>343718237
Like I said I don't know these people but I'd hazard a guess that it isn't impossible that they may genuine care about the feelings of others who watch their videos. You know, like human beings do from time to time. I know that if I hosted inflammatory content on a youtube channel that was meant to be taken in light but was poorly received and viewed as offensive, I would take the initiative to apologize. Hell I might even apologize in advance much like what you're referring to. I would hate the idea that something I made or said offended a group of people who already experience the brunt of scrutiny on a day to day basis.
>>343718614
Good argument dude. really sick
>>343718852
>minarchist
you arent doing it right. what a fucking pussy.
>>343718791
You realize your very example right there has been extremely regulated from what it use to be right?
How underage are you? Were you even alive before farmville was a thing?
>>343718791
Not when the post to facebook is linked to financial assets.
That's a terrible comparison and you know it.
>>343718602
Yes, as it turns out law isn't nearly as complicated as it sounds. Most of the difficulty comes in the procedural/ formal processes.
>>343711107
>Strip game of all crates? No more microtransactions?
Fucking yes? I've been saying that for 10 years now and now we've reached the point where the industry has coddled the younger generation into believing that microtransactions are acceptable.
>>343718803
honestly its not okay when anyone does it.
Especially valve letting this happen they are scum
>>343718883
>Just because underage kids can legally gamble in games due to a loophole because they are not spending money on it directly
Get fucked enabler
>>343718852
yes lets destroy the novel concept of API logins because some of the dumbest faggots possible need a scapegoat.
>>343718962
If the entire point of that video was the scum then why bring up valve, CSGO and gambling?
Just doesn't make sense, what does youtubers doing potentially illegal shit have to do with gambling or skins.
>>343719092
>trust me im a judge on the internet
lol
>>343718883
because you can take those items and then sell them... it's gambling... but valve weaseled away from the many taxes and regulations of such.
>>343718891
>90's
>fuck the FCC they are ruining art and entertainment
>2010's
>FCC and FTC please take control my entire life I can't handle decision making wahh wahhh
The hypocrites grew up.
>>343719149
I'm not asking for the destruction of API plugins, that's a red herring.
Im saying that if valve doesnt want to culpable in underage gambling, they can't have their sites linked to it and need to employ more discretion.
Valve is making hundreds of millions off of skins, they can afford to hire a lawyer to vet betting sites before handing out APIs.
>>343719014
then don't post it
faggot
he didn't do it out of any kind of sympathy or empathy, he just did it to preemptively save face. it's all he fucking does anymore. he changed so drastically when reddit discovered and gravitated towards him
>>343719046
yeah cus I want to spend time arguing with a literal retard that is literally incapable of understanding the concept.
So there you go. You're just a retard.
>>343719352
>i'm unable to attack the argument so ill attack the speaker
toppest of keks m8
>>343719387
>people complaining in the 90's about regulation are the same as those complaining now on a website visited most by mid 20's adults
>>343719387
>art and entertainment
>gambling
durrrrrrrrrrrr
If you're letting your kids go on the internet without keeping an eye on them it's your fault for them doing stupid shit
>>343719132
Yeah we should totally stop it those damm videogame industries are all evil n shit
I have the perfect guy for the job
>>343718673
>retards who actually fall for this are, well, stupid.
This is the meat of the issue. Political correctness is so out of hand that people who spend exorbitant amounts of money KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE IN FOR are somehow "victims" of evil trickery.
What these people need is to be laughed at, they're falling for a scheme that's easier to see through than wiping your own ass.
>>343719307
It's called setting the stage, you wouldn't be able to understand the rest of the video if you didn't know what he was talking about.
>suing valve instead of the people who promoted their own company without disclosing that they are the owners of said company
so this lawsuit is literally just about trying to get as much money as possible instead of trying to actually punish people who did something wrong?
>>343715514
Eve
>>343719353
>but valve weaseled away from the many taxes and regulations of such.
Because clearly the government should have a monopoly on vice, that makes it morally right and completely OK.
>>343719417
>I'm not asking for the destruction of API plugins
yes you are. Thats the whole fucking point of there use, free and open use that could be used anywhere.
>>343718673
The thing is it's targeted at kids(or the invalid) and don't have any income so they probably take their parent's cards, with titles like "WIN $10,000 IN CSGO!" they are tricked into losing, while older people see gambling as something fun but not a means of getting rich
>>343719534
>I have an opinion you should follow my opinion or else youre a dumb
lol
>>343719658
yeah
and he is trying to sue valve
He is ego is so inflated
he either backs up or gets ruined by life
Valve's lawyers are google tier , the h3 must really kiss the asses of some gov to get that shit done if he ever plans to
>>343717872
the AO rating is a fucking joke and no one uses it
>>343719658
Seriously, are fucking stupid are you?
You kill the root of the weed.
>shit parents that let their kids do everything they want crying about the government not being enough of a nanny
>>343708291
Valve still supplies gambling services to kids under 18. That's illegal and a very serious offence in a lot of places.
>Shit on gambling sites
>not shitting on valve for setting up a gambling-like system of crate opening
It literally takes killing Valve's gambling system to stop the gambling sites
wew lads
>>343717872
>unironically considers AO or any ESRB rating usefull
>>343719784
Im saying that they should be open to 99.99% of sites, and only not applied to sites which enable illegal activity, if valve doesn't want to be sued.
That's hardly an unreasonable claim.
>>343719449
>he didn't do it out of any kind of sympathy or empathy
Do you have proof of this? No? Didn't think so.
>he changed so drastically when reddit discovered and gravitated towards him
As opposed to what, gravitating toward /v/? A place full of entitled teenage shitlords? Can't say I blame him.
>>343719938
these kids wouldn't be able to gamble at all without $US on the line.
why not sue the Treasury for supplying citizens with cash to gamble with???
>>343719975
>I literally didn't give a damn about illegal gambling until someone told me that Valve is enabling it in a roundabout way
>>343719885
It's only used when a game makes the current gen feel uncomfortable and feel bad :( see: Hatred
>>343717069
Except you cannot turn steams "funny money" into real money without breaking the rules faggot.
>>343719868
is this real
>>343719828
If you have a point of why what im saying is incorrect or logically flawed please show it.
Otherwise you sound like a triggered faggot who's resorting to trolling.
>>343720057
I'm gonna pretend you didn't say that. I can't believe my little anon is this retarded.
>>343720102
I know right? They should make breaking the rules illegal.
>>343719747
You really need to think harder. Like turn off your computer and sit there and think for a fucking second.
Just seriously. Think super hard.
You might even ponder why regulations are in place to not allow advertisement of cigarettes aimed at minors.
>>343719938
supplies gambling services to kids under 18
If only there was a way to make kids gamble their money with games that are almost entirely based around luck
>>343718983
>HUR DUR DONT SHIT ON SMALL BUSINESSES
>HUR DUR THIS GUY HAS BIG CORPORATIONS BACKING HIM SO HES WRONG DURDEEDUR
>lol im not populist bro
>>343720175
>why aren't you taking me seriously :(((((((((
lol
>>343720073
Um...? Underage gambling is pretty fucked up,
>>343720102
And yet valve hasn't shut a single one down.
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