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>yfw Valve might get RICO'd because of CSGO betting
https://youtu.be/_8fU2QG-lV0
>>343702717
>muh reddit
fuck off faggot, this affects vidya, it's not a site by site thing
>>343702818
Go away Ethan
Nobody will give a shit in a week
>>343702950
This is sadly the truth.
I wish someone would just fuck Valve over all of the blatant gambling going on their games. It's insane how obvious it is and how much they managed to perfect the way to make you keep buying shit. And yet apparently it's not gambling, even though real money is involved.
>>343703198
It's not valves doing, fuck off. Csgobets is not operated or endorsed by valve.
>>343703532
Doesn't matter. They still enable the whole thing and the chests are essentially gambling on their own. The difference is that they do something like Pachinko, which is make you gamble for "prizes" that can still be exchanged for money.
>>343702627
Can this jew talk without spouting his shitty memes every 10 seconds?
Not happening. Take your e-celebs and shove them up your fucking ass, retard.
>>343703532
not that guy but he's 100% right about the blatant gambling in these games. I was a dumbass 16 year old when TF2's store udpate dropped and I wasted triple digits on gambling with that shit at a time when I'd never be allowed anywhere near a $2 scratch-off card. You can say I was a dumbass teenager that shoulda known better and I'm not gonna argue with you on that but letting minors gamble is usually not something people are okay with and willing to let slide as easily as people seem to when Valve is involved.
>>343703681
That's like saying Walmartd is responsible for people wasting their money on Lego mystery bags
This lawsuit will be laughed out of court
>>343703681
There are tons of other forms of gambling in other sports worse than this, are you going to chase after those large because they enable retards like you to blow money?
>>343703761
Who the fuck is that guy on top right?
>>343703532
They'd still play a part as facilitators of the items being gambled on
Thanks doc
>>343703897
maxmoefoe aka the most fuckable boy youtuber
>M-muh kids gambling
CSGO is a Mature rated game. This is yet another case of Americans finding raising kids not to be complete fuckups too difficult so they desperately try to blame something else. Because it's a lot easier to file a lawsuit against a multi billion dollar company than it is to teach your fucking kids not to fall into gambling traps like retards. Fucking Americans.
>>343703897
Maxmofo i belive thsts his name. Does videos with filtyfrank idubbbz and how2basic. It seemsnlike they are trying to be jackass2.0
>>343703808
It's not gambling. Chests are not gambling. Betting is gambling and valve does not endorse or operate those sites. Those sites also require you to be 18 and over
h3h3 finally makes a decent video
>>343703681
>>343703808
>>343703923
Are we all pretending Valve invented gacha, and that this system hasn't been used by literally every single asian MMO (and most free-to-play games) for over 10 years now?
This "what about the children!!!" argument is LITERALLY the exact same shit parents brought up with GTA-like games decades ago. Yeah, children shouldn't be gambling, so maybe don't fucking give them your credit card.
I'm all for calling out shitty business practices, but this is a prime example of outrage over absolutely nothing.
>>343704226
>It's not gambling.
Same way Pachinko isn't gambling, right?
>>343702627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Gb571RE_A&list=FLURFlf9JFh-p29AhMwfvgTw&index=2
this guy was way better in getting the message across
>>343703883
Gambling needs to be regulated, doesn't matter if it's a game or a sport. As I said, Valve gets away from not categorizing it as gambling just because it 'technically' doesn't reward you money, even though fucking everyone who buys those crates, whether they're on TF2, Dota 2 or CS:GO know that the big prize is the ultra rare hat/knife/courier/whatever they can sell for a shit ton of money.
>>343704260
Never said Valve invented this, just that they exploit it and it isn't regulated as gambling should be, because they purposefully try to mask it as not being actual gambling.
>>343704261
Awk don't be salty :^) Must suck having severe depression and not being able to find anything funny :^)
>>343702627
Good.
You cannot open boxes or do rylai's roulette wheel and tell me those aren't rigged. You just can't.
>>343704261
you forgot the second quotation mark
>>343703532
>gambling chests is not gambling
this was seriously disturbing desu
hope they get jailed or something
>>343704436
The way your prize is 90% of the time a few pixels from something ultra rare like an Arcana makes the fact that it's rigged way too obvious and kinda hilarious. Same shit about Lina's balls thing. Even if you take probability in account, it's still heavily skewed towards the lower value prizes. It's actually insane how obvious it all is and how no one cares.
>>343704306
Buying a box with that may contain an item from a predetermined list of items is not the same as playing to pay pinball with a chance to win money
>>343703761
You got me
>>343704425
It does.
>>343704448
Aw shit
>h3h3
Daily reminder he literally copied his entire thing of Sam Hyde.
>>343702627
>It's an ethan does a "cultural appropriation" episode
why does /v/ always defend valve?
this is legitimately fascinating to me since I don't really know anything about CSGO aside from it being some big esport
Anywhere else I can read up on this/read up discussion about it without having to read through pages of kids crying about some Youtuber?
>>343704416
>As I said, Valve gets away from not categorizing it as gambling just because it 'technically' doesn't reward you money
If we're using that wording, technically casino gambling does not reward you money either, they reward you in chips. Chips are a tender only accepted by the casino they are specifically made for.
Not trying to argue against your point, just saying that Valve does the same things a casino would do.
>>343704909
>Sam Hyde
literally who
>>343704997
They do scummy things, but this has nothing to do with them. This is csgobets dealio
>the video is almost entirely about scummy youtubers running cs go gambling sites and exploiting kids
>/v/ manages to fuck up relaying simple information for the sake of crying and moaning like the sobbing drama queens you are
christ if people could watch the video before opening their big smart mouths it could be real nice around here
>>343704909
i quite like Sam's vids and don't know what you're talking about, could you elaborate?
>>343705072
Another meme comedian, except he's actually legit.
>>343705059
Chips that you trade in for money at the casino. Skins are traded with other players, not with Valve.
All Valve does is host the marketplace.
>Thinking the government will do shit
This stuff has for decades in the form of penny stocks.
>>343704663
It's also entirely virtual, so the visual could show you barely getting something, whereas the real result is picked near instantly from a list of probabilities. Anything Immortal/Chest and up most likely has an extremely low chance, like astronomically low. That just isn't how roulette wheels work.
>>343705189
you confuse sams actual autism with the pretend autism and actual wit of ethan
>>343705059
Yes, exactly, and casinos are places where you go to gamble and are regulated as such. This is exactly what Valve does. You gamble with crates and get items that you can sell on Steam for money (or PayPal for non Steam Wallet money), which isn't different at all from winning chips and trading them for money on casinos.
epic reddit bro, just epic
>>343705471
*Tips beanie*
Vape Nash breh
>>343705507
>This is exactly what Valve does
Valve hosts a marketplace. That's all they do.
What you're saying right now is that a share market is equivalent to a casino.
>>343705653
don't get me wrong, I think both are funny for different reasons
This is reddit this is memes this is reddit this is memes....
>>343704997
I'm pretty sure it's just the gambling addicts coming out of the woodwork.
>>343702627
wow good thing the thumbnail has meme faces otherwise i wouldn't know what it was about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>343705471
>Snarky, lame comments written before and garbage skits
>Wit
Fuck off Ethan. You are literally the reason people hate jews.
>>343702627
he was funny when he didn't become what he parodied
How is buying a crate in CSGO any different than buying a pack of Pokemon cards? Is Target allowing kids to gamble by selling Pokemon cards?
>>343704126
Thread should have ended here.
>>343706101
It doesn't cost $2.50 to open a pack of cards
>>343705451
Yup, that also means they can sort of fake that "I almost got this arcana!" feeling, since it's all virtual. Since they probably do the rolls as soon as you either get the chest/roulette/ball or when you click to open it, they know that they can just put the super rare shit right next to your reward to make you keep buying it thinking you will get that next time. That's the reason why they hire economists and people with degrees on psychology, so everything is perfected to make you spend as much money as possible.
>>343706195
You're right; it's $4.19
http://www.target.com/p/pokemon-trading-card-game-xy-break-point-booster-pack/-/A-49171596
>>343705401
as long as he gets his message to israel that's all that matters to him
>>343706195
You're right.
For Magic, it costs $9.99
>>343706028
>thriving off of making content on youtube shit and youtube drama
>become the youtube shit and drama
it's the cycle of memes, there are already people trying to make a hobby out of ripping on his shit videosit's a shame the channel got this boring and is a constant reminder of how immature ethan is, had to unsub after this vid, he wasn't even making bad points, but it just isn't what his original fans liked him for. he's taken his role as youtube mediator now, let us leave him to do his work
>>343702627
Valves gambling crate thing may need to be looked at but I don't think the actual better thing the youtube cunts did is their fault.
That said, they should just threaten anyone found betting with a trade ban to make it stop.
>>343702627
What the fuck is wrong with that guy's facial expressions?
>>343706763
where did ethan actually blame valve over those guys?
i thought he said something along those lines but I couldn't find what he said when I skimmed back over the vid
>>343706945
I think at some point in the start ethan talked about how they let you link your account to the betting sites like it was a sort of endorsement.
In reality I think any site that wants to is allowed to let you link your steam account, I know these two let you do it.
http://backpack.tf
http://www.tf2outpost.com
>>343705808
h3h3 is alright, you're seriously buttflustered over literally nothing, unsurprisingly
>>343706806
He has tourette syndrome.
>>343703761
EY B0SS
CAN I HABE DA PUSI PLS
B0SS PLS I HABEH CANCER B0SS
I made like 60$ in 2 months on csgolounge and quit.
It wasn't worth it, to be good at betting you need to follow every match result, every twitter, every facebook, you're grasping for every little bit of information. Plus, I lost most bets even though I ended up making, because the way to make money is to bet against hype. But regardless of that you still feel like you're losing even if at the end of the month you earn money and it's just overall exhausting and unforgiving.
>>343707242
Yeah apparently the case hinges on the fact that betting sites use the Steam API to access inventories.
The suggestion is that this is somehow to be considered "authorising" gambling. Apparently at one point someone said that valve 'helped' a gambling site (probably with API issues), therefore it's a massive conspiracy to subvert gambling laws.
Crates aren't in question. They're just random prizes you pay for, just like lucky dips, baseball cards, etc.
lol cs go skins look ugly as fuck , why do people even invest in dumb shit like virtual pixels
>>343703532
The item crates is blatant gambling though. Someone needs to get fucked over on that and Valve was the pioneer. It has completely ruined the mobile games industry and that shit is even making its way into full priced games (Overwatch)
>>343704317
those were some of his best streams. i'm so upset that facerig didn't catch on, it made all the streams I followed 100% better. better than facecams and the defaults were all super cute
>>343707628
>Crates aren't in question.
Neat, I actually like those. They make it feel like your items in game have a sort of scarcity or value.
I'm incredibly biased though since I won a gold pan in MvM and touted it around for a year.
Ok, which one of you wrote that?
https://youtu.be/3rTbVfgr4Ts?t=1m49s
>>343705123
I don't remember the video, but sam had one reaction video where he pretty much did years ago what H3H3 does now.
>>343707767
>Valve was the pioneer
what
this is demonstrably false, trading cards have been doing the same thing for decades
I didn't know it was this big. I thought only retarded youtubers bothered to spend this much money on skins.
>>343708113
Valve was the first one to put it in video games. If you have an earlier example name it. Trading cards are somewhat different because of the reality of physical goods.
>>343708128
I have a little brother in high school when they're together they always talk about skins. "Dude a i rolled a golden dragon last night holy shit i literally die omg"
>>343707767
>The item crates is blatant gambling though
>paying for random prizes is blatant gambling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_card
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectible_card_game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_wargaming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_pack
do millennials seriously believe this?
>>343707767
>Overwatch loot crates are gambling
They don't hold any real monetary value after purchase. You can't trade them. You can't sell them.
They're there if you want more skins for yourself personally and that's it.
Not to mention there's no "key" aspect to it. You get a loot crate every level for free that you can open without dipping money into it.
>>343707767
Is buying pokemon card packs gambling too? Kids have been doing this shit for ages. This is 4kids worried parent tier. The only problem here is that people let their children have full access to their credit card for some reason instead of letting them spent their 10 euro a week.
>>343708412
>You can't trade them. You can't sell them
Yet
>>343704260
but it IS a shitty business practice, anon
just saying "the customer should be more responsible" is completely fucking retarded in this context
>>343708128
And they in turn kinda push this weird luring act through their vids, which is essentially a giant shilling operation targeted at mainly children and teens
These guys are large scale hustlers, and it sounds like they could be in some pretty deep shit. I don't think they're even slightly aware themselves of how fucking dumb it is to be doing something like that
>>343708412
The level thing is kinda a cop out. It's basically a "the first taste is free" thing. What level would you have to be to get every item in the game? I think it would at a minimum be 3 digits. Blizzard knows exactly what it's doing by trying to bait idiots into buying a shit ton of crates to get that one skin they want.
>>343707582
Sounds like stock trading. If you make enough money while not performing a conventional job, then I guess that's enough to attract some people?
I'd like to learn how to do stock trading but I don't have 10k to blow around. I'm content with occasionally booting up Capitalism 2 or Railroad Tycoon.
>>343708549
What's the point in getting mad over hypothetical situations?
>>343707767
>item crates is blatant gambling though.
No it's not. Gambling means you can lose, and you can't lose opening a crate. You may get garbage but you still get something.
>>343708549
wont happen.
>>343708792
We're talking about the same company that tried to put a real money auction house in D3
>>343708685
To get that one skin you want you can just save up gold to buy it.
>>343708337
>Valve was the first one to put it in video games.
No, they weren't. Asian games have been doing this for 10 years now. Ragnarok and DFO are good examples of this.
But even if I accept your premise it doesn't really change anything. TGC booster packs and CSGO crates work in nearly the exact same way, except crates don't offer any gameplay benefits while booster packs do.
>Trading cards are somewhat different because of the reality of physical goods
How?
Some trading cards are valued over a hundred times their production cost, literally the exact same thing happens to skins.
>>343708953
getting gold is also RNG based
>>343708685
Well,
>XP required to level caps at 22
>Resets after hitting lvl100
>Get in-game gold for any duplicates
Never dropped a dime on the game and have at least one legendary skin for every hero, half of which have just been bought with gold I got from dupes.
>>343708848
Yeah, that still doesnt change the fact that it wont happen
Yeah, we need more government regulation. Think of the children
Pretty good video, very interesting.
>>343709081
I mean, there's the very legitimate chance that Valve (or other companies) are actually manipulating RNG to try and get you to spend more money on cosmetics. Has anyone ever audited them? Have they ever even claimed that they aren't doing it?
>>343709017
If you play up to level 40 or something its extremely likely to either have dropped the skin or saved up enough gold to buy it. Im 60 and i have 2k gold.
>>343709186
>are actually manipulating RNG
Yes anon, obviously Valve sets the odds for their own system.
>>343709186
you realize that's not illegal, right?
why do you think some card games offer booster packs with guaranteed rare cards? out of generosity?
Is a company selling rng boxes illegal? If no what basis is there for a lawsuit?
>>343702627
>its a (((h3h3))) shills his videos in /v/ episode
>>343709441
>Think of the children, we need bigger government
>>343709441
no
0
>>343709186
What do you even mean with "manipulating rng" you retard?
>>343709326
No, that's not what I'm saying. Having guaranteed random drops from a pool of items is still RNG. It's "fair" in that it's complete chance out of the control of the company selling the item. But what if Valve knew, or could guess, what item you really wanted? Keep in mind they have statistics on what characters you play and what things you preview, so not out of the possibility that they could guess. They could then make sure that you don't get that item, after ensuring that you're the type of person who buys keys. They could b8 people into buying keys by giving them good item drops early and then spacing out decent drops more and more to keep them buying.
That shit is crazy illegal in vegas, and it's something physical card manufacturers cannot do.
Take a look at who Valve has been hiring over the years - statisticians and economists. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that they are doing this (and they're probably not the only ones).
>>343709631
see
>>343709638
If you program the RNG, it doesn't have to actually be RNG and you can rig the system in your failure. This is why slot machines have to have their software audited before they can be used.
>>343709745
your favor*
>>343709441
the land of the fee and the home of the slaves has got some seriously awkward gambling laws and gambling culture
>>343702717
Thanks for the warning bro
Never giving views to that fag
>>343709745
No shit, they choose the odds. Obviously they choose the odds. Every item would have an equal chance of dropping if they didn't, and obviously there are rare items.
Also, video slot machines get re-written from the ground up by a regulatory agency simply to ensure that the developers didn't leave any sort of back door in the code.
>>343704126
This. My parents are absolute fuckwads and to be frank shouldn't even be parents. They don't even understand the concept of parental advice even after trying to explain it to them.
>>343710125
choosing the odds != manipulating the odds based on the player's behavior. the latter would be illegal in vegas.
vegas audits slot machine codes for two reasons:
-like you said, to make sure there isn't a back door
-to make sure the odds match what they claim they are (something no one has done to valve and something companies have been busted about lying about in the past. see: warframe)
>>343710340
Why would they do it to valve? It's not illegal for them to do it if they do. It's not gambling
>>343709638
Most valuable items are usually knives, and guess what? You have a 100% usage rate with knives. Aks? Most people probably have 50% usage rate. Its a really stupid idea. And the new account thing would backfire massively since you can make new account freely
>>343709638
Valve can't even recommend relevant games or recognise that I don't have a VR headset, how on earth would they be able to work out which color skin you wanted?
>>343709638
I guess they could be doing it? But I really don't think it would be a particularly good decision considering you can buy whatever weapon skin you want off the marketplace if you can't get it through crates.
Monster Hunter Desire Sensor on trial next.
I wonder how much money that dude made from that site.
>>343703761
I know I shouldn't but I like FilthyFrank and Idubbbz
>>343710643
you mean the marketplace where valve gets a cut of every sale?
>>343708848
>We're talking about the same company that tried to put a real money auction house in D3
The keyword here is "tried".
>>343710740
It can be in the tens of millions.
>>343709864
If you play cards at a buddy's house, and bet with real money, you are technically committing a crime in good old burgerland.
But if you go to a regulated casino, where owners and managers have been caught manipulating the odds, you are fine. The system is very clearly rigged to give big companies the opportunity to dick over the little guy or addicts. The wealth loss alone probably pushes people to criminal means more than any other cause.
But it's okay, because those people can totally stop gambling whenever they want, ya see?
>I point out CSGO is online gambling
>"yeah whatever bro"
>h3h3 points out CSGO is online gambling
>"omg dude CSGO is online gambling!"
>>343711019
he points out the CS:GO lotto is extreme gambling with the people advertising abusing it because they own it
if you're going to shitpost, commit to it you dumb nigger
>>343711019
They're not talking about CSGO being gambling. They're talking about 2 youtubers who ran a betting site and never disclosed they owned it in their videos. They also said anyone over 13 can gamble on it
Nobody ITT has watched the video
>>343710782
>I know I shouldn't
Like what you want you fucking lemming.
This guy reminds me of kripp
>>343704126
CSGO is more popular in Yurop tho, they have like double the players.
also
>whos a better parent
>Tommy Suburb, father of 2
>or Vasiliy Młynarczyk, town drunk and father of [unknown value]
>>343702627
The entire fucking game is a rigged carnival or street attraction. The cases have garbage in them and the skins you do buy, valve still gets all that money one way or the other. Csgo IS the biggest scam in the industry and no one talks about because "git gud" shuts down any criticism of the game at all. It is truly a much more malignant cancer than call of duty could ever hope to become
>>343709638
Are you implying that the desire sensor is a real game mechanic?
>>343711401
THIS upset over cosmetics in video games
>>343710841
yes, a cut
which is infinitely smaller than what they'd make off of that same person buying crates, because not every skin is a dragonlore worth 147119500 vietnamese dongs
>>343703761
This. I'm interested in hearing about this in depth but for fucks sake.
I don't watch jews, not sorry.
>>343711414
Yes, valve can literally scan hour brain waves to know which colour of hello kitty you prefer on your awp. I know its pink for that guy.
>>343711401
If csgo didnt have skins majority of the players would quit and play overwatch or something.
Skins make more people play.
Gambling makes more people follow esports.
Neither is inherently bad.
>>343702627
failure to prove that valve has done anything wrong
the betting sites are doing shady shit
>>343711725
Video isn't about valve
>>343711469
Well when the gamergate fags sperged out over some slut and shot the legitimacy of their movement to shit, no one mentioned any kind of changes to game companies product quality or their ethics. You want to know who's fucking each of you? It's valve plain and fucking simple
>>343711414
Not even a sensor, it's just plugging statistics into a machine. Why do you think Steam hires psychologists, economists, data miners, etc.
Google, Bing, virtually every search engine does something similar, is it so farfetched that Valve, a tech company, might do it too?
>>343711414
Not so much a desire sensor as trying to predict 2 things:
1.) How many keys will you purchase before you give up? How often do they have to give you something decent to keep you hooked? They can use multiple data points for this:
-how much money do they think you have (steam wallet balance, size of library, number of previous key purchases, etc)
-how many times have you bought cosmetic items in the past for any game (as long as it's through Steam, they know)
-how often have you looked at cosmetic items
2.) Is there one item you really want? This would be very imperfect, but I bet for some whales they could guess it. If you keep previewing a certain item over and over, chances are you want that item. If you play a certain hero (Dota2 or TF2) chances are you want items for that hero and not items for heroes you never play. Same with weapons in CS:GO (to a significantly lesser extent). So again, that's another lever they could use to try and keep you buying keys.
Nothing is perfect in that, but it probably works more than it doesn't.
>>343709903
I just watched that video twice and shared it because of your post.
I'll be doing this from now on knowing that you exist.
>>343704317
>>343707769
>tfw he's gonna go into an alcohol induced coma one of these days
brote please be careful ;_;
>there are people in the land of the free who think that gambling should be illegal
>>343712018
i liked the arkham stream when people in chat were telling him not to sleep on his back fucking lol
>>343711487
Yes and no. Someone getting [valuable item] from a crate adds another crate to the supply. Someone trading a crate on the marketplace means Valve gets another payday on an item they already sold.
>>343702627
Holy shit, I knew this CSGO gambling was a bullshit scam but I had no idea it was this bad.
>>343711856
I literally do not care about paid cosmetics. I care about making maps, modes, characters as paid DLC. Those things fracture a player base, harmless cosmetics don't
>>343702627
>a chronic CS:GO betting youtube channel
>they're brits
Color me fucking surprised.
>>343703761
Ethan has tasteful memes. Nothing about him screams gratuitous, especially in this vid.
>>343712068
Well some 20y old hacks who fradulenty make youtube videos faking exitement over cambling on a site they own to lure teens into playing there is bad. And they make millions from that without actually contributing anything to society.
>>343712068
Weren't the pokemon remakes butchered because of the EU banning the casino mini-game?
>>343712068
What the two guys did in the video is literally illegal. I don't care about gambling, they didn't disclose their ownership and let people under 18 gamble on their site
>>343712147
That's exactly my point. Clamor for more content, but allowing them to keep up the "gun barbie" charade without adding anything new is fucking deplorable
In any fucking case, the practice of "key" selling and crate slots are a cancerous practice. They absolutely subtract from the focus of the game, which is the fucking gameplay itself.
>>343712220
If dumbass teens lose their money by being dumbasses, then who cares? You don't have to "contribute to society" to make money.
>>343712327
Yeah, but it shouldn't be. I don't know why people are upset about it.
>>343712292
I think I heard something about that.
>>343712450
Noone forced you to buy keys. It's all cosmetic
>>343711860
They sell shit. Of course they want to know what shit you buy and how they can make you buy it. You are acting like valve only sells crates and keys. and i still cant see how having stats about how much people use weapons (hint: 99% of players uses the same weapons) could be used to manipulate odds.
>>343711762
Literally the first half whines about valve.
>>343712553
I agree entirely, what's you're point?
>>343710782
dont let other people's objective views of taste make you feel shitty about your own
>>343712529
>Telling people to go use and spend money on something you own without disclosing that you own it shouldn't be illegal
>>343712068
gambling is a retarded activity anyway. video games are getting infected by your degenerate hobby and I'd rather see valve get BTFO instead of "m-m-muh freedom"
>>343712382
They added a new revolver and everyone complained. People don't want anything new. They like the game as it is.
>>343712553
Cosmetic shit is the reason Valve is never going to make another single player game again
Would this even be a problem if you weren't able to sell the skins for actual digital dollars?
>>343712619
Supports the games and a healthy active playerbase.
>>343711269
>>343712620
Nah I know on a critical level a lot of their stuff is just trash, I don't feel bad about it but I know it's shit.
>>343712632
No, why should it be? The people don't have to go do it.
>>343712704
>hating freedom
I don't even gamble. I just think it's stupid that people think that they should be able to stop other people from gambling.
>>343704416
>Gambling needs to be regulated
Hold on there, pal.
Mind explaining why?
>>343712889
>No, why should it be?
You should look up "pump and dump"
>>343708719
shut up, retard.
>>343712790
>Supports the games
It supports the company. They can choose to do with that money as they please. That may, or may not be spent to improve the game and add actual content.
>>343712929
If you cannot be certain the odds you have been given are legit you cannot make rational decisions on whether or not to play
>>343712946
It sounds like a smart move if you ask me. What's the problem? Investors should be smarter about how they invest.
> people getting this buttblasted at valve for third party betting sites when tons of Asian and western game companies have been openly feeding off weebs and other people with gambling addictions through shitty waifu mobage for years and years.
>>343713102
Should false advertising be illegal?
>>343704909
No.
He started off by copying Tim Heidecker who also happens to be who Hyde copies
>>343713167
You mean downright lying about your product? No.
>>343712604
100% of people who play the game use the same weapons, you dolt. The important difference is the frequency which people use those weapons.
I hope you are going to summerschool, you're going to need it.
>>343713145
>Valvecucks deflecting
it's over, maggot
time to face judgement
>>343712981
Mad?
Get a real job neet
>>343713145
>lol shitty stuff happens every day ya goofs, just let it happen xD
>>343713269
So if I say I'm selling custom made compression stockings for medical problems like Lymphedema and someone buys it and they receive a small bottle of perfume that's ok?
Until an AG says they're looking into it, nothing will happen.
The only state's AG that would remotely do something is New York, because they're going after a bunch of online betting.
>>343713680
No, that would be downright lying about their product.
>>343713591
You're wasting brain cells trying to get something this big to stop.
>wasting precious minutes of your life caring about people you'll never meet falling for gambling
>>343713802
You said it "No" to "Should false advertising be illegal"
>>343713167
False advertising is illegal in some cases. Sometimes it's lumped in with fraud.
>>343713862
Oh sorry, I meant yes. Downright lying about the product your selling should be illegal.
>>343713832
Who's trying? I'm just arguing on a Zimbabwean masonry bulletin board.
>>343711856
Just don't buy skins then you fucking retard. Ive been playing go for years (cs since 1.6) and haven't spent a dime. In fact, I make "money" because I sell that shit instantly. I fail to see how the skin shit is such a cancer, it's absolutely not what CS is about for anyone who's not a mm loser.
>>343714021
>a Zimbabwean masonry bulletin board.
I don't know why these are so funny to me but I want to look at an entire list of these alternate names.
I just don't understand why people make gambling a big deal.
When you are going to gamble you should know that bets are against you, in any legit casino and on the internet even more odds are against you.
>>343713591
> projecting
Nigga if you want to criticize valve, criticize something like their crap refund policy, or lack thereof for fucking years, or the goddamn unmitigated atrocity that is greenlight and early access, or the failed episodic releases system they tried with HL2. This shit is purely on the groups actually running the gambling, and people only caring about this problem now that a company they don't like is being targeted for it is disingenuous as fuck man. That's all I'm trying to convey.
>>343715105
What's wrong with their refund policy?
>>343715105
I actually agree with everything you posted.
can someone give me the tl;dr, im not watching a kike whos entire career is just making faces for children
>>343715471
big youtubers own gambling site that they promote in their videos without disclaiming their affiliation to the site.
also it's Valves fault somehow.
>>343715621
No, what's stated as "Valve's fault" was simply the crate system.
>>343703761
how the fuck is leafy so popular anyway
all the cancerous excuses he calls commentary, each with a million+ views and 99% likes
like fucking how
>>343715329
Honestly I think the 2 hour thing isn't horrible, considering some games may only be a couple hours long, but competitors like gog have full 30 day policies for technical problems.
Add to that the fact they didn't even have one until they got sued, and it's definitely something worth criticizing imo.
>>343716302
He's a cyberbully and all his fans are under 16. Everyone who likes him is too young to critically think about his characteristics beyond "le funny guy who says funny things xD"
>mfw I love FilthyFrank and Idubbbz videos but hate h3h3 videos
>>343703761
"Conform to my views or be shunned by me and only me."
Welp, guess I can't like certain people now. Shit, ya sure got me, anon.
>>343716385
I don't know, if it was 30 days like gog's I'd just play through long games and refund it when I beat it.
>>343715621
I can get behind trading. I can get behind the crate system. I think I can get behind trading in for money as long as you can't spend it anywhere else.
>>343716973
well, good news, you can't spend steam wallet anywhere.
How gambling sites works is easy, you trade items and they value them as they please you are not actually trading items for steam wallet and spend it on this sites.
This guy and his exaggerated eyebrow movements always seem to fuck with me.
>>343716568
idubbz is the only pass you get
>>343716568
I literally don't understand how people find h3h3 funny at all. I watched one of his videos and it seems like autism incarnate.
So what law says you have to disclose you owning a site to promote it?
>>343717768
He has tourettes
>>343710882
and they made huge bank off it before the controversies caught up to them
>>343713167
Wasn't it a legitimate lawsuit that drove Bioware to patch ME3 ending? Some guy was so angry and disillusioned that he sued them for all their pre-release claims and promises.he withdrew the suit after the patched end saying he was satisfied somewhat
>>343702717
I bet you watch pewdiepie and keemstar and enjoy it.
>>343714925
Because gambling relies on a psychological reaction.
>>343718786
You could say the same of Frank's videos and Idubbbz's videos, but at least they're entertaining autism.
>>343706715
you took the words right out of my mouth
Valve a good company dindu nuffin
What would you rate Hila out of 10
>>343720840zero
>>343720840
6/10
>>343720840
6.5
8 if you like skinny chicks
>>343702627
My ass they will. Nobody is that stupid to blame Valve for people abusing the system.
>>343714925
There was massive amounts of underage gambling going on
So let me get this straight,
this guy, right after calling someone who roasts rich celebrity kids online a "cyberbully", is now saying Valve should get rid of their main source of revenue and a thing tons of CS:GO players are into because kids are playing a rated M game?
Jesus Christ, its like this guy couldn't become hard enough of an internet warrior
>>343720840
6. I thought she was all cute and introverted, but she's as insane as Ethan. Not like that's bad or anything, just worth considering.
>>343721235
Based Dick would have sent Ethan back to where he belonged (Florida)
>>343721235
it's not that kids are playing M rated games, it's because kids underage gambling, and valve's allowing it
>>343702627
Valve didn't sponsor dick.
>>343721530
Good.
If parents are going to be negligent little shits and not watch their kids activity, they deserve to be scammed.
This is why the ESRB was fucking invented moron
>>343707272
he's right you know.
you'll just take longer to figure it out.
>>343713145
>Its okay if x does it
fuck off nothing about this is okay.
let the idiots gamble their money away i dont care im not a gambling degenerate
>>343702627
What a retarded video. That lawsuit in particular is a joke. It's nobody's fault but the parents. You can't even get the game if you are under 18.
>>343721778
Also, this isn't new
This shit has been going on FOR YEARS. TF2 did the same exact thing
>>343708365
>pay 2.50 for a ticket
>win literally 0.01 cents back
HUR DUR IT'S NOT GAMBLING SINCE YOU WIN SOMETHING.
>>343721863
thats like blaming the parents of a druggie who ran away and od
at the end of the day dumb kids gonna do dumb things but valve and these sucumbag sites are just enabling them to gamble online with zero oversight, industry protection/safegaurds or support.
>hurr its the parents job
So its the parents job to sit there 24/7 while timmy plays csgo?
The item store should have a parental guard and valid id so u can get in
>>343721863
>That lawsuit in particular is a joke
I think you'd be surprised by how interested the government gets in these matters.
>>343722029
>buying booster packs is gambling
are you retarded? where is your handler?
>>343721897
>>343722029
Have you faggots even watched a minute of OP's vid? This is about valve actually allowing people to gamble on 3rd party betting sites, not about opening boxes.
>>343722197
>The item store should have a parental guard and valid id so u can get in
it's called a "credit card" which allows you to buy things with "money"
I understand the concept of not allowing your child to be the keeper of your family's finances is somewhat of a radical concept, but try to keep an open mind about this
>>343722197
>The item store should have a parental guard and valid id so u can get in
It pretty much does. How else are kids going to buy games? Unless the parents are dumb enough to give them full access to their credit card, which again falls on the parents.
>>343722197
>but valve and these sucumbag sites are just enabling them to gamble online with zero oversight, industry protection/safegaurds or support.
No, they support the ADULTS doing it. They don't fucking deliberately advertise their shit to kids. TF2 has had lotto website for years and got away with it becuase less kids play TF2 than CS:GO.
>So its the parents job to sit there 24/7 while timmy plays csgo?
If you're fucking kid is spending YOU'RE MONEY on a game and not ONCE you catch them gambling or playing this, you're a fucking horrible parent.
No, seriously, there is now way a reasonable adult thinks like this. You have do be underage. Fuck, I seriously hope you never think about having children you piece of shit. The thought of a dumbfuck like you getting your kids into trouble then blaming everyone around you actually disturbs me
>>343722285
and you actually get a product for what you pay for. a digital skin isn't tangible. You are paying for cards, you just happen to get one worth more than the others. They are still all worth the paper they are printed on.
>>343722313
yes, and yet it's still a system only supported by retards. If you are defending paid roulette skins in a video game there is no hope for you.
also someone argued that you had to be 18 to participate in the gambling sites, yet the one the video talks about requires you to be 13.
