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I'm about 10 hours in. Playing on blood and broken bones, what's wrong with the combat? /v/ always complains about the combat in this game, but I don't have any issues with it. Is there something fundamentally wrong with it, or have you been shitposting over nothing as usual.
Just play on the hardest difficulty. It's ridiculously easy anyway. You can also mash strong attack to win nearly every fist fight.
>>343652215
>Is there something fundamentally wrong with it
It's not exactly the same as in Dark Souls
>>343652769
Or dragon's dogma.
>>343652215
>what's wrong with the combat?
It's not Dark Souls (tm)
git gud!
It's alright.
Every other aspect of the game is great, so when the combat is just serviceable in contrasts and becomes the thing people are most critical of.
Its not bad at all, just not terribly interesting or engaging. The coolest part of the combat happens before the fight even starts.
Reading up on a monster, tracking it, making the right bombs and oils for the job. That parts very fun and immersive.
It's certainly leagues above the combat in the last 2 games though, so I'm not complaining.
>what's wrong with the combat?
It's virtually nothing but rapidly clicking the mouse until you win. Almost no strategy. Sometimes some of the other, harder enemies require some thought with signs, but most don't.
>>343653669
Left click spam won't get you very far on death march (unless you do alchemy build).
I think most people are simply parroting it over and over. It isn't anything spectacular, but it's decent enough, especially for RPG standards. Like it's funny how people like to shit so much on it, when you hardly ever hear people mention the combat in games like VTMB.
>>343652215
According to /v/, the combat is absolute shit because it's not Dark Souls or DD. This is pretty much what it boils down to. It's just that the rest of the game is so damn good that trolls find it easier to pick on one thing and exaggerate to bring down the whole game.
In reality, considering the competition of W3 as a story-based WRPG, its combat is the best of the bunch.
>>343652215
Nothing. Its not amazing, but its certainly not as bad as people make it out o be on here
>>343652215
>I'm about 10 hours in. Playing on blood and broken bones, what's wrong with the combat?
If you enjoy exploration, and are playing the PS4 version, you would know within the first hour what's wrong. Controls that don't respond. Fight animations that can't be broken. Issues with the camera auto-targeting when surrounded. Auto-drawing your weapon against enemies with a skull where the level is supposed to be.
>>343654391
Truth here, recently started playing myself
>>343654397
>PS4 version
lol
>Controls that don't respond
No longer an issue since a month or 2 after release
>>343654397
99% of the people bitching about the combat didn't play the PS4 version though, and none of the things you mentioned ever come up. It's literally just /v/ being contrarian for the sake of it, because every high-profile game needs to be a TORtanic-tier failure for them to be justified in their saltiness.
>>343652215
the shitpost webms of side-step dodging that are inevitably posted in every witcher 3 thread were taking from bugged clients, which lasted on consoles a lot longer than pc.
combat really is just fine.
Combat is fine, a few mods to improve soft targeting and move the camera a bit closer to make it more personal and it's pretty fun.
The game designer himself is inspired by dark souls but then decided that the dodge and roll buttons should give you ridiculous amounts of i-frames as well as long parry windows. You can also abuse quen so you don't even need to bother with dodging and axii to trivialize 1 on 1 fights.
If you can't survive on death march you're pretty much a casual.
>>343656002
What kind of build is this?
What skills are being used to make him glow red?
Its remarkly shallow Combat for a rpg, great game but the combat is just plain boring.
>>343657351
Balanced build where you don't completely destroy everything, keeps the game fun.
The red glow is from a B&W mutation, Adrenaline Rush I think.
>>343652215
It doesn't have cuurrrazy combat so all the weebs started bitching.
Pretty much anything you do will trivialize the combat even on death march.
>Fill out any skill tree
>Use magic
>Use good potions
>Parries and dodges are too forgiving
The combat is heavily level based, rather than player skill and characters skills based.
You literally cant beat the werewolf in chapter 1 without being a certain level as his regen is greater than your dps.
>>343657606
More like it's too casual. And you can use shields and helmets in weeb games while Geralt is full anime spinning sword mode even against well armored opponents.
>>343657193
>The game designer himself is inspired by dark souls but then decided that the dodge and roll buttons should give you ridiculous amounts of i-frames as well as long parry windows.
There's no i-frames in TW3, retard. Only a perk you can upgrade if you so choose. Now, funny that you should bitch about i-frames considering how ridiculous those are in all souls games.
>>343657960
>There's no i-frames in TW3, retard.
Surprise surprise, the W3 combat defenders don't actually know how the combat works.
https://youtu.be/rPqKqTdkh4E?t=16
>>343657603
>Balanced build
>Whirl
>>343657193
Obvious I-frames aren't a good mechanic, even Lords of the Fallen does dodging better than DaS.
The combat is okay but when you stretch it over 100+ hours and barely any variety in playstyles, it goes from okay to pretty-fucking-bad.
The combat isn't just about controls and tools also, the enemies are uninteresting and bland as fuck 99% of the time. Even the boss fights are lazy reskins for the very large majority.
>>343654397
for the controls not responding issue you change an option on pc
dont know if its the same on ps4
>>343657960
>someone calling someone else a retard when they themselves are blatantly wrong
Oh man, thank you so much for being a stupid faggot.
Gives me a warm feeling in my stomach everytime.
Way to take the bullet so that I can feel nice.
>>343658350
>It's another drowner/wraith/bandit
>>343658191
Well I still don't get what you're bitching about, it's exactly like dork souls then.
>>343657443
Fact: Witcher 3 combat is more complex than Dark Souls
>>343658350
This, low mob diversity is what makes the combat average, the two expansions fixed that somehow.
>>343652215
Nothing. It's fairly quick paced and impactful. Even the finisher moves don't interrupt the flow by too much and they look nice too. My main gripe is the enemy variety, the combat itself is fine.
>>343658519
Now with more i-frames so even casuals can feel good. Not that you even need to dodge with quen or alchemy build.
>>343658473
A group of drowners is my most dreaded encounter in the game.
>>343658717
Lol you're delusional. Just look at the vid you posted, the i-frames are done tastefully and they pretty much protect you only when the enemy would scratch you while dodging. In souls you just roll head-on into a largemchuge boss's fist and miraculously survive because i-frames in Sools are so well done and not wide window at all.
It's really ridiculous how you can think the retarded souls i-frames are ok but witcher's aren't
>>343658793
I'd say fist fights with 2+ people are the most difficult fights. Even 1 punch takes a ridiculous chunk of your health on death march
>>343658793
A pack of wolves on Death March is a complete nightmare
>>343658951
Oh, it's some guy who doesn't know how I-frames work and thinks it just applies to specific body parts. You can roll through swords in Witcher 3 as well.
>>343659149
Yes this, especially with the new upscaling option. They used to be low level so you could survive even if you let them hit you, but now they're rape machines
Barghests are even worse since they're pretty much immune to igni
I did straight up combat skills for my first playthrough.
Whirling through everything got a little boring.
Is there a build that's more nuanced that someone could recommend?
I messed around with Igni but that's about it.
I also haven't even TOUCHED or looked at alchemy.
Just want something fun for a new playthrough mostly.
>>343654169
combat in both games are shit
>>343653669
Found the guy that plays on easy
>>343658559
Fact: It's not
>>343654651
You are saying that nonsense, yet did you ever play after applying an expansion? There is a reason for the quick bug fixes.
>>343659184
Clearly it isn't as easy in TW3 as in souls since I've seen nobody do that whereas in souls you're pretty much consciously rolling into enemy attacks instead of making maneuvers and positioning yourself because muh magical roll immunity
>>343656002
damn that looks so stupid
>>343659321
>Is there a build that's more nuanced that someone could recommend?
Sign build?
there's only three options really + hybrid builds.
Presentation and quests are the best part of W3. Witcher sense investigations are repetitive and play themselves, Geralt solves the cases for you and you just follow a trail or scent. Boxing is even worse than swordplay and horse races are impossible to lose.
>>343659321
Signs (igni, aard) with high stamina regen + swords is most fun I'd say
But you better download the Better Combat mod
>>343659491
you look stupid
>>343659485
Because you don't even need to maximize what little I-frames you have in W3. It's easy enough that you don't even need to dodge.
Most people new to souls games are surprised when you tell them to dodge into attacks as well. I-frames aren't as noticeable in souls games as you seem to think considering W3 has even more generous I-frames and yet you still initially claimed W3 has none.
>what's wrong with the combat
retarded AI basically allows you to murder everything, two hits and dodge
hitboxes are almost as bad as in Dark Souls
controls are absolutely atrocious
switching between movement and combat modes is really clunky
uninteresting moveset, basically everything can be killed by repeating dodge back + light attack
some of the enemies have health regen and have incredibly high hp, game doesn't really know if it wants to focus on stats or skill
To be honest the only good thing about it is how some of the attacks decapitate the enemies, it looks really impressive.I'm still going to be called a soulsfag for criticizing it.
>>343659616
this. If it weren't for witcher senses and geralt giving you literal walkthrough of every quest sidequests would be fucking amazing
>>343659607
Yeah, it's just I wanted to gauge whether most people consider alchemy or signs more fun.
How well does the alchemy skilltree factor into combat?
>>343659880
>W3 has even more generous I-frames
I'd like to see you back that up with something instead of spewing bullshit. It's the literal same mechanic in both games, and your hypocrite ass is still whining about it in W3. Kill yourself.
The real issue with the combat isn't the controls or the "game-feel" of just moving around.
The biggest issue is the fact that the variety in terms of both weapons and enemies is complete gutter-tier-garbage. Whatever the fuck you do you're still going to play the 100+ hours as a swordsman. Bombs, crossbows and signs are cool but you can't fucking argue that they themselves constitute whole builds or that they are more effective than just plain swords.
The tools are really boring too, you never get unique weapon movesets or anything, the only difference in weapons is the skin and the damage values. This is all fine and dandy for the first 2 hours but when you get a hold of the controls and enemies, thats it. Thats literally it, you won't be changing your playstyle massively over the course of the game.
The combat is serviceable at best and on top of everything else, its not even the biggest issue with the gameplay in W3.
>>343654169
Dragons dogmas combat was some of the worst i have ever played, witcher and ds are miles and miles ahead of that pile of horseshit. i am serious
>>343652215
>full sign build
>spam igni on everything
>they nearly always get burned
>stand around doing nothing while i casually use it every 2 seconds, immobilizing entire groups with 1 button
>don't even need the burn% increase trait cuz sign intensity makes it near 100%
>>343660140
B-but W3 combat is good! You just need to stop using potions, signs, the upgrade tree, sidesteps, rolls and parries!
>>343660140
>Use the flamethrower version of Igni
>Point it towards a group of human enemies and they willingly walk into the flames to get burned
>>343652215
>what's wrong with the combat?
souls babies cry it is not souls's combat.
>>343660295
>>343660140
>you can do pretty much the same thing with dark souls magic
>this is ok
Soulskids, everyone
>s-souls is b-bad. You guys are just F-Fromdrones
Broken record.
>>343660468
>people list their arguments against witcher combat
>one retard will still keep trying to enrage soulsfags and then complain about how terrible they are for ruining a perfect thread
How can anyone even defend W3 removing I-frames after certain actions and certain attacks ignoring I-frames? There's no alternative animations, effects or any in-game indication.
It makes the combat feel inconsistent and makes new players rely on quen a lot more.
>GERALT OF RIVIA
>THE WHITE WOLF
>THE BUTCHER OF BLAVIKEN
>GWYNNBLEID
>GREATEST WITCHER THAT EVER WITCHERED
>lol gets killed by some lowlife bandit that two-shots him with his fists
Death March is such annoying bullshit. My level 40 swords require like 8 hits at LEAST to kill enemies but their random pointy stick one shots me
Curiously enough, when I pick that pointy stick up it does 200 less damage than my swords
Literally skyrim-tier difficulty settings
>>343660650
No one said souls is bad, they said fromdrones are bad, as are all fanboys regardless of franchise.
>GUYS IGNORE THE LONG POSTS THAT ACTUALLY ADD SOMETHING TO THE DISCUSSION, THEY HATE IT B-BECAUSE THEY'RE FROMDRONES!!
>>343658196
Holy shit
>>343660519
We're not talking about Souls anon.
>>343660295
It's the opposite. You need to use all of them for it to become fun.
You could either be a boring asshole and just spam igni or fast attack all day or you could be a handsome gentleman and freeze the whole group with a bomb and smash one of them into pieces and then mindcontrol one to become your ally to keep other busy while you force push others down from a nearby ledge
>>343660805
The artificial difficulty in boxing is silly. Geralt goes out in a few punches while opponents can take several dozen.
And yet even with all that artificial difficulty boxing is still super easy since the enemy AI is so bad that you can spam strong attack and win almost all the boxing matches.
>>343660810
but I like both The Witcher and Souls, yet I think that TW3 has bad combat. I posted in this thread and listed why I think it's worse but people won't reply to it just because they need to add fuel to muh franchise wars
>>343652215
>what's wrong with the combat?
sucks on keyboard and mouse
plays amazing on gamepad
many autists here cannot use a gamepad
>>343660967
>The 476th group of drowners
>O-oh boy can't wait to throw bombs at them this time
>>343660810
Read back the thread and quote every post that specifically calls out Witcher combat, while praising Souls combat, unprovoked.
Then quote every post complaining about 'soulsbabbies' for no apparent reason.
>>343660903
>muh you're just trying to deflect card
We are, as the idiot bashing witcher implied souls has better combat in this regard. And if it doesn't there's not many similar games with combat that's up there with TW3
>>343655006
I doubt it. Side-step + 1 heavy attack until they die is about all I do in fights against large monsters even in the latest patch on PC. A lot of the enemies can't even start an attack of their own like that.
The combat isn't terrible, it's just that there's basically nothing to it the moment you learn not to attempt to trade hits. It's ultimately just kinda boring because the game is so long and you never really have any reason to change the way you play from the first 20 minutes of the game.
just look on neogaf amount of weeb shitpost witcher. because of their 30 fps game doesn't recognize enough.
>>343661324
that's a different issue and has nothing to do with the combat mechanics themselves
Shitposters
There's nothing broken with it neither at the beginning or at the end of the game.
>>343652215
It becomes bad once you get good at it.
My first mistake was to go full magic, which was a terrible decision, because Igni is broken as fuck. It's not just the fact that you can kill monsters that are 20 lvls ahead of you, it's also the fact that it's extremely boring to do so.
So I drank a potion and respeced into a pure fighter. Still, it wasn't great. Basically every enemy requires the same tactic, which is repeatedly dodging until you can safely land a hit. I haven't played it in a while, so I cannot exactly pin-point the design flaw here, but mechanically there are a couple:
Strong attack has no mechanics behind it, it's just "more damage", so it's lost potential.
Parrying is pretty useless since you can just dodge.
Upgrade trees are pretty damn boring, most is just "more %".
They've tried to go oldschool with the level requirements on items - just reminds you how shit that system was back in the days.
>>343652769
>>343653239
>>343654169
>>343658559
>>343660468
Can't wait until "witcherbros never start mentioning souls, it's the soulsfags who try to start a war" retard enters the thread
I love how posts with actual arguments against TW3 combat get ignored
>>343661351
>We are, as the idiot bashing witcher implied souls has better combat in this regard.
How did he do that? By using a reaction image?
>>343660519
lol if only souls had 1/10th the content watcher3 has
souls is very low budget
>>343653953
>>343659373
It literally works on every area in every difficulty. There are videos showing this off. Stop being retarded.
>>343660967
autism
>I don't like Witcher combat
>SOULSBABBYFROMDRONESOULSISNTEVENTHATGOODFUCKYOUFUCKYOUFUCKYOU
>I never mentioned Dark Souls. We're talking about Witcher
>WOOOOOOOOW SO DARK SOULS CAN HAVE I FRAMES AND ITS FINE, HUH? HUH? HUH? RRRRRRRERGGGHHHHH
You guys have literally shitposted yourselves insane, yelling at people who aren't in the thread.
>>343661631
Yes, exactly. You're very good at this!
>>343661574
There nothing being broken about it doesn't make it good.
The last RPG I played before Witcher 3 was Dragon's Dogm which had much more interesting and inspired combat mechanics. To go from that to Witcher's Batman combat was kind of disappointing.
But fuck if everything else in the game isn't amazing.
I like the combat
I'm level 23 now doing Skellige things
Pretty good game I wish I could have more time to play it
>>343661627
>Can't wait until "witcherbros never start mentioning souls, it's the soulsfags who try to start a war" retard enters the thread
Yes, the soulsfags just "happen" to be in all the witcher threads bashing witcher, amirite?
>>343661627
I love how posts with actual arguments for TW3 combat get replies like "that's wrong, suck dick fag"
mon ami I hope you play with Polish VA
slavic technomancy + vodkatongue = I'm still tripping on my dick once in a while
>>343661852
>reaction images are related to the post maymay
lurk more please.
Batman confirmed better than Witcher 3
>>343661826
Has anyone ever called this number?
To me it's not that the combat is bad on its own. It's the contrast in comparison to the other parts of the game. Every other part of the game is so good that the serviceable combat feels out of place. Still one of my favorite games of all time.
>>343659491
Yeah, it looks more like a dance routine than a swordfight.
>>343662134
now I guess, thank you captcha
there's nothing wrong with it, it's just boring clunky repetitive shite just like the detective vision quests
the problem with its clunkiness is that even when you're forced to change tactics it's still pretty dull
>>343661984
If you read back this thread you can see that there are dozens of posts bitching about Souls fans.
You nutcases are also the ones that started it.
Someone asked why some people don't like the combat and was instantly met with a bunch of
>PSSSHH, JUST FUCKING NO GOOD SOULSBABIES
You can go back to the beginning of the thread and see this. you are genuinely fucking insane
Cut the victim complex already
>>343661984
You're retarded if you think that people here are divided into two groups, witcherfags and soulsfags
I like both and I would rather enjoy a discussion about The Witcher 3 without mentioning souls combat at all than start bashing each other and accusing them for being "soulsfags" or "witcherfags".
What the fuck. Souls combat has milions of flaws, but we DO discuss them in souls threads. And somehow no one ever mentions The Witcher.
>>343662037
Which ones? I'd like to hear some actual arguments for TW3 combat.
>>343662071
I'm not a big fan of how peasants sound, they're way too artificial. But polish Geralt and Gaunter are fucking golden.
combat isn't even the worst thing about the gameplay
quest design is complete utter garbage 90% of the time
the guy who designed witcher senses deserves to get gutted with a wooded cooking spoon
>>343662385
more like weeb. they shit this game on purpose.
some of the are even asian.
Finally played through the Witcher 1 so now I can say I've played all the Witcher games. Witcher 1 was definitely a lot of fun, didn't start to get good until later in chapter 2, then the story really started to get more interesting. I did have some issues with it, I got adjusted to the combat system, but I wouldn't really call it an amazing system, I definitely found future Witcher installments to be better in terms of combat, though alchemy was neat at least. The level design wasn't that amazing, first zone was boring, vizima was kind of interesting, the swamps were horrible, chapter 4's area was alright. All in all it was a pretty fun game and I'm glad I gave it a shot.
>>343658196
holy shit sauce
>>343662551
Get help, paranoia of this scale isn't very smart
Does anyone know what the grand master wolven set bonus actually does? It claims that it removes the delay when throwing bombs which would lead you to assume they are thrown instantly, but it still takes geralt forever to toss them, is this bugged or am i missing something?
>>343660987
At least it's better than the fights in the old games. In TW2 it was literally a cinematic quicktime event and in TW1 you could click in such a way that it would cancel the animations and permanently stunlock them until you win.
>>343662924
>paranoia of this scale isn't very smart
my sides
>>343663195
Yeah fistfighting in W1 was easy, I hardly ever got hit.
>>343662531
they're good at level design though
>>343663339
How so?
The open world is barebones garbage too.
>>343660859
Hey look another butthurt Fromdrone
>>343663770
>barebones
>90% of the complaints about the map are that there are too many Points of Interest
buttmad sonyponies can't even get their story straight
>>343663770
another console fag think they are center of the world.
>>343661826
And here he is again
>>343663863
>>343663954
???
How did any of what I said imply I was on console?
The map is just recycled garbage out the ass. Seeing the same bandit camp or monster nest for the 150th time gets old.
Well, if you aim to become just as bad as the worst parts of the Souls fanbase you whiny cunts are certainly doing a great job.
Congrats on becoming what you supposedly hate I guess, it's really rather poetic.
>>343652215
The problem is that it's not a direct replica of souls combat system.
It's funny though, souls games have nothing but the combat, which is great, that I don't deny. What I'm saying that souls game have nothing else going for them besides the combat, it's the point of the entire franchise.
This is not true in Witcher series. For some reason soulsfags can't understand this. Could the combat be better in Witcher? Yeah, maybe, but it has other things going for it. Souls games don't.
>>343664038
And here you are again
>>343664218
combat is fine as it is. you play as witcher not superhuman wielding ridiculous large sword.
>>343664218
This thread isn't about Souls anon, but whatever
>What I'm saying that souls game have nothing else going for them besides the combat, it's the point of the entire franchise
Sure, its the biggest point for them but pretending its the only thing good about them is just blatantly wrong.
>Yeah, maybe, but it has other things going for it. Souls games don't.
What? Dialogue, characters and story? Yeah sure
What else?
Open world is shit
Quest design is complete shit
Sidequests are complete shit
The writing in the quests is good but the actual gameplay portion is fucking horrid
>>343652769
>>343653239
>>343654169
Imagine being so butthurt that you cry about bullies that aren't even currently in the playground
>>343664218
Like what?
>story
>>343661675
>>343653669
Except it doesn't and you'd know that if you actually fucking played the game. Spamming leftclick is a quick way to end up dead in any remotely difficult fight, at least until you've gotten to the point where your build is completely broken. Wolves will dodge your attacks and then surround you and kill you. Plenty of monsters and humans will just parry you or counter you while their buddies circle around you.
>>343654397
>console version
loving every laugh
Give me one single reason why people wanting to experience this game shouldn't just do it on youtube without wasting money?
The combat is boring and repetitive for the 100+ hours the game lasts
The quest design is fucking horrible and ridiculously overrated
The dialogue, characters, story and visuals can all be experienced on youtube just like that.
>>343658196
>when the adrenaline kicks in
>>343652215
The camera. It's to far away.
>>343664467
>you play as witcher
>not superhuman
Do you even know who a Witcher is?
>>343661704
>Trying to have fun with a game by using all the tools it gives you instead of sticking solely to an overpowered sign that you don't find fun and even complain about
>autism
It's literally the opposite of autism.
>>343660140
>playing like a bitch
Yea no fucking shit its gonna be dull after a while. Name me one action game where there isnt an option to stall out the combat and play like a pussy.
>>343652215
There really isnt anything wrong with it, but it isnt amazing,
so when people say the game is amazing, some people on /v/ have an aneurysm.
>>343664880
muh decisions
>>343664663
>Wolves will dodge your attacks and then surround you and kill you
Those retards jump directly into your sword every time.
Hell, the only mob enemy that doesn't actively kill itself upon you is the aracnomorph.
>>343664880
This applies to literally every game ever. That's why LPs are so popular.
If you want to be a cuck and watch someone else have fun, go ahead, nobody's stopping you.
>>343661578
sure the game is easy but its still plenty fun
>>343665064
Warhammer 40k: Space Marine
>>343665036
because witcher not gonna fight enemy as large as building or double jump on the air or wield with sword weight a ton.
>>343665260
well, he's going to spin like a fucking tornado reflecting all the attacks around him.
>>343660805
>lol gets killed by some lowlife bandit that two-shots him with his fists
>their random pointy stick one shots me
You realize he canonically died in the books by some peasant getting a cheap shot in with a pitchfork, right? I do agree though that enemies could use a bit less health, but usually they don't take more than four swings with my combat build.
>>343665171
other games have good gameplay
>>343665378
not as fast as tornado. this is not japanese games.
>>343652605
>mash strong attack for every fist fight.
Don't lie
>>343661675
Again, stop lying. This does not work once you're out if White Orchard
>>343661447
Why do all these people boast or lie?
That is like when I was on the Beast of Beauclair soundtrack YouTube page. There was a comment that said "too bad this fight was soooooo easy" and he couldn't even describe any phase in the fight. Didn't even know what people meant by "bat attack."
>>343664880
Why don't you just watch let's plays for anything with stories and keep your stupid hobby to yourself with all the other 7 year olds who watch let's plays
>>343660805
As others said, Geralt was killed by a 15 year old boy in the books. Humans suck.
>>343665408
I'll bet you'd watch FO1 and 2 on Let's Plays.
>>343652215
It's shallow garbage with little depth or room for meaningful variation. If you think the combat is good you have shit taste.
>>343661826
its because witcher3 actually has better gameplay than souls
but soulsfags own the internet or someshit because they have the biggest vidya meme ever, even though souls gameplay has always been mediocre as fuck
>>343665674
>I'll bet you'd watch FO1 and 2 on Let's Plays.
If I wanted to experience their stories, sure.
Do please tell me why anyone should actually buy witcher if the only attraction is the story and dialogue?
>>343665834
Souls games have different builds, more than four attacks and allow you to use more than a tiny, tiny handful of weapons and spells.
Witcher is an interactive novel with tacked-on action combat and a few RPG elements.
>>343664880
It feels more immersive when you're in control. This is objectively true. It feels good to simply bask in the nature and water.
>>343666136
why other game need to be same as souls.
>>343659294
This is why you pick Piercing Cold as a mutation. Saved me from large mobs so many times
>>343666152
>Immersive
I feel more immersed in Super Mario Bros. than I do in Witcher 3. Presenting the player with a narrative doesn't automatically make a game immersive, gameplay is more immersive than any story in a game could ever be.
>>343666023
Because you get to make your own choices that affect the story and the characters in it. The same reason that anybody has ever played RPGs. You're missing the entire goddamn point if you act like a fag and watch an LP.
>>343652215
I didn't really find anything wrong about it either. It's different but it plays well.
>>343666136
>build variety meme
souls games are essentially street fighter clones with giant retard swords stolen from monster hunter
you know this, right?
>>343666023
There is more to the series than that if you stop listening to Soulsfag shitposting. The point is that a let's play cannot possibly convey all the nuances because you cannot direct where to go
>>343666354
Doesn't need to be just like Souls games, flesh out the mechanics that are already there. Fix the clunky movement, allow Geralt to wield more than short swords, make more than three builds available and viable, add new enemy types, let Geralt do more than the same two sword swings, etc. etc.
>>343666442
>The same reason that anybody has ever played RPGs
So, gameplay? Making dialogue choices does not make a game an RPG, it makes it an adventure game.
>>343666136
God your life and entertainment must be shit if every game you play is compared to Souls. Jesus.
I loved the gameplay of Metal Gear Rising but good God I'm not gonna shit on MGS3 because the gameplay isn't just like it.
I like Souls and Witcher
>>343666670
>>343666698
>S-s-shitposting!
>M-m-memes!
Every thread. Every time. Witcher has shitty combat, fucking deal with it.
>>343666442
>Because you get to make your own choices that affect the story and the characters in it
The consequences of which you can both see on youtube.
>>343666912
>its because witcher3 actually has better gameplay than souls
You brought it up, faggot.
>>343666430
I don't. In super mario bros you just press the jump button and walk right.
In witcher you have a lot more control therefore more immersion. Souls games have improved immersive due to their controls as well.
If you could design a controller that controls every aspect of a virtual human being then that would be even more immersive than what we have now.
But as it is, a NES controller is too simple in comparison to modern controls.
>>343664880
If you a such a faggot that you like to watch lets play than play a game then go ahead, no one's stopping you.
>>343666713
movement are not clunky they aim to be realistic. most people can adapt to that . and game offer you rend and whirl.
>>343666951
Because it happens every time and you wrote 3 sentences about how it's combat isn't souls and therefore shit. Yes, they are right, now go back to one of your threads.
>>343667068
>(You)
>>343661978
I did the opposite, went from TW3 to DD and I couldn't bear the world or the story.
>>343667136
Follow the reply chain, dipshit. You brought it up.
>>343667162
>someone who doesn't know what immersion is and watches lets plays on youtube
LMAO
>>343667057
Learn to either quote or read. I never said that at all.
>People start the thread by complaining about Souls
>People defend Souls
>Ughhhh, fucking Soulsbabbies just CANT STOP talking about their precious game and leave us poor, innocent, reasonable people alone.
>>343667101
And that aim for realism is what makes it clunky to control. They made it look nice, not play nicely.
SOULS HAS BETTER GAMEPLAY!!!!!
>people are seriously arguing the game looks just as good on youtube as it does on your pc
Really? I mean I knew that most witcher 3 shitposters were poorfags that can't play the game but I didn't know they were so deluded.
>>343667370
that subjectively though.
>>343666670
This
>>343667264
Then why did you respond to my post that was directly responding to that?
Witcherfags saying Souls had shittier combat, I disagreed and stated why. Then you chimed in and whined about how everything doesn't need to be Souls. Follow the replies, you simpering shitwit.
>>343658196
Fucking legend.
>>343658793
on death march a pack of wolves are the most dangerous enemies in the game, hell even packs 30 levels below me still did obscene damage
>>343667254
No I did not. I am not the person you quoted. You are talking about more than one person. Not once in my posts did I ever reference Souls. My first post in the thread was >>343665674
Maybe you should follow replies better.
>>343667470
Where or not I like it is subjective, but that aim for realistic animations everywhere slows shit down and makes the game less responsive.
>>343667424
it has different gameplay, these games do different things.
if you said "souls has better combat" i would thoroughly agree with you.
>>343667292
The Souls games have such shallow forgettable gameplay.
The new one's already forgotten in s month until the next one one out, it's literally call of duty with swords.
I started playing again after a two week hiatus, and suddenly my stamina regen (resource
for signs / sprinting) regens at a much slower rate than before, any reason why it could be?
>>343667531
Three separate posters are responding to you.
>don't ever respond to me again unless you're contributing to my conversation
That is how you sound.
>>343667664
counter strike and battlefield.
>>343667614
Then why are you randomly replying to posts without reading the full conversation?
>"Souls has shitty combat"
>Nope, here's why
>"O-M-G, why does EVERYTHING have to be Souls!?"
>>343667531
He'd right though, listen to him.
>>343667789
it regens faster out of combat and slower in combat
you're probably a noob who didn't even know this
>>343667292
More like you can't have a Witcher thread without shitposting from souls.
Best witcher threads are 2am in the USA. You can actually talk about the game and how you like it without having to waste half the thread making defenses against the same shit.
>>343666975
>The consequences of which you can both see on youtube.
You can also see all the fights in Bloodbourne on youtube. You could even lookup different builds just like you can look up the different consequences.
>>343652215
It's just really simple. I was able to get through most of the game on Death March with little challenge by just circle dodging enemies and spamming Quen.
>/v/ can't discuss a game without intense shit posting
>claims to be better than reddit.
>>343667812
>God your life and entertainment must be shit if every game you play is compared to Souls. Jesus.
You brought it up, faggot.
>"Witcher has better combat than Souls!" says some Witcherfag
>No it doesn't, here's why:
>"Why does EVERYTHING have to be Souls?"
>Because you compared the two, numbnuts.
If you didn't make the initial comparison, then you certainly didn't read any of the following replies, because every one of my posts was in direct response to that. Then you chimed in and whined about Souls or something.
>>343667865
Oh okay, I am not allowed to respond to you or reply to posts I want. Aight
>>343668058
Why are you deflecting to Souls/BB?
Do you really have no arguments or reasoning of your own?
>>343668007
I like both series.
Witcher babbies still actively provoked Souls babbies at the start of this thread for no reason.
You can't complain about shitposting when you started it
>>343668058
But that's gameplay, that's not watching cutscenes and reading dialogue.
>>343668226
Not the guy you're talking to, but your tantrum is fucking hilarious.
Souls games are good.
Witcher games are good.
Can we please talk about witcher games in witcher threads and souls games in souls threads?
>>343668250
Do you walk into random conversations and start commenting without knowing what the people were actually talking about?
Wictherfags started it, then you came in and moaned about Souls being brought up.
>>343668413
As has all of bawling your eyes out over Souls shitposters that don't exist.
>>343668413
>I have no argument, so I'll resort to condescending name-calling
:^)
>>343658196
I love how the guy in the camo never recovers from that one savage punch
>>343668591
No, because witcher fans supposedly can't understand differing opinions and believe anybody who dislikes the game is a souls fan.
>>343665674
>mash strong attack for every fist fight.
Don't lie
Holy shit Witcher 3 fags are deluded and think the game is hard. Go play the game yourself and spam strong attack on death march during every 1v1 fist fight match except for Grim and the bear/rock troll. Even Grim can be beaten by spamming light->heavy->dodge->wait->repeat, his AI just loves to turtle.
>>343668591
These are pretty much shitposting only threads
>>343668798
It's just so easy, all you have to do is say something like
>Witcher has bad combat
And the thread is ruined.
Witcher fans wouldn't be so defensive if there wasn't some truth to this, and you almost never see anyone try to explain why the combat isn't bad, just accusations of "S-s-shitposting!" and "Y-y-you didn't play it!"
If Witcher 3 combat is so good how come there isn't a single youtube video where you'll go "wow that guy is pretty good"?
>>343668762
>>343668668
Yup, it's witcherfags.
>>343669215
there are a lot on youtube. you never bother to search anyway.
The worst part is witcher senses.
Can't fucking examine ANYTHING unless you hold the witcher sense button first.
>>343669024
Thing is, the must be some good part of Witcher 3 to make virgins mad enough to create this masterpiece of asshurt.
It's a great game and there's nothing /v/eddit can do about it.
Great game, great reception.
It's GOAT and official GOTY 2015, that's why it's make some people so mad.
>>343669652
Nice links. They're all generic combat mashups with awful music or cheese strategies that anyone could do.
>>343652215
>/v/ always complains about the combat in this game
you mean soulsfags.
>>343668762
Whoever it is, must be autismal as fuck.
Yesterday we had a thread were one guy unironically spent 4 hours shitting on TW3.
It's really sad tbqh, but if it makes subhumans so mad, it's because is a great game and these ''people'' are in complete denial over it.
Delicious butthurt.
The problem with Witcher 3 is the same problem most AAA games have. Like Assassin's Creed games or MGSV it's tweaked to be way too forgiving to players and nearly every single option to the player feels like it makes the game too easy.
Some parts of the game like investigations play themselves. You just walk around and examine highlighted objects. Others almost impossible to fail like horse racing.
>>343669709
It looks nice, the characters are well-animated, people like the story. The presentation is excellent, the gameplay just falls completely flat and is awful. CDPR make nice-looking games but seem to forget that they're making games sometimes.
>>343669456
>>343669709
>those pics
That's really sad.
I'm so glad no one here can affect this industry.
>>343661578
>Still, it wasn't great. Basically every enemy requires the same tactic, which is repeatedly dodging until you can safely land a hit.
this is exactly the same as souls-shit
>>343669925
It's a game for modern players who need their hands held every 10 seconds. It wouldn't have sold as well if it were actually challenging.
>>343669709
Heh, I remember yesterday where the autist got butthurt because someone didn't care that he hated the game.
I'm amazed that there are people who are genuinely angry at this game, who feel nothing but pure anger and probably get headaches after posting in these threads and get genuinely butthurt.
It's fucking glorious.
>>343657767
>what is a dimeritium bomb?
>what is a cursed oil?
>what is a igni?
fucking kill yourself you shitter, go back to dark souls and your twink builds
>>343669925
>>343670038
>>343670081
In these 3, there's two (You)s.
>>343670239
Nope, try again, faggot
>>343669693
witcher3 is more of a gamepad game
senses are very easy to do on gamepad
so is dodging, blocking, using two different attacks, casting magic signs
the button layout is perfect on gamepad and all the controls are perfectly placed under your fingertips (xbox gamepad, not sonyshit)
geralt doesn't need the fluidity of a mouse or the autism of a keyboard
a gamepad works perfectly here
pic unlreated, but an amazing game more people should know about
>>343670402
One out of three, then the other two must be the two (Yous)
>>343670457
Yup, sure they are, Champ.
>>343670121
It's even worse because yesterday he replied to himself more than once.
A sad display, but then again, every success breeds jealous haters from other, much less succesful franchises.
>>343670176
this exactly.
most faggots who complain about game being a click-dodge fest are the ones who were playing it as a click-dodge fest.
ignoring signs, bombs, oils and the effects they had on enemies.
>>343670569
I, too, absolutely adore McDonald's hamburgers. they are, quite simply, the pinnacle of deliciositicity. I mean, over 1 billion served can't be wrong, right?
I enjoy these threads because this isn't just shitposting.
There are people legitimately angry at this game, these are the best threads because you can feel the asshurt coming from these people who wish the game wasn't such a genuine success.
Just think about it, there virgins who spend hours and hours trying to shit on a game praised by everyone.
These people are what's wrong with this industry, but are also the most fun to talk with because everything that doesn't agree with them sets their butthole on fire.
>>343670623
Because they're less effective and efficient, there's usually little reason to use those other than to simply not be performing the same shit over and over again, there's no real advantage.
>>343670702
See?
This guy is so absolutely assmad.
Delicious butthurt.
>>343670821
>there's no real advantage
This is how you know someone didn't play the game.
>use Aard
>they fall to the ground
>stab them and they are dead
>>343670839
Always nothing but deflection, it's just sad.
>You're just shitposting!
>You didn't play it!
>Haha you're so buttblased XD
>>343670960
>Y-y-you just didn't play it!
>>343671010
Why?
TW3 was a success, got positive reviews everywhere, GOTY 2015, and none of your spam will ever change that, plus i'll get to see your legitimate anger always.
It's the best possible outcome for me, and Witcher fans, of course.
Also
>>343671116
>>343671010
>exactly one minute from each other
So.
Absolutely.
Assmad.
>>343671116
You said signs are useless, I proved they are not, and you have no argument.
Too bad, so sad.
OP here. 200+ posts later and nobody has said anything even remotely constructive. Everyone ITT has complained that its either "not dark souls" or its too easy due to maxing out a skill set. Fucking christ. No need to get so bootyblasted over the most frivolous shit.
/v/ strikes again
>>343671145
Keep replying, this is just funny.
>>343670821
how is there no advantage?
every bomb has an effect on enemy, not just the damage. northern wind+ whirl will take out groups of enemies, throwing a dancing star in will cause them to burn and give you time to heal, everything has its use and a big impact on fights.
>>343671145
>It's an 'act really condescending and aloof in an attempt to seem like you don't care when you really do' post
>>343671145
>TW3 was a success, got positive reviews everywhere, GOTY 2015, and none of your spam will ever change that, plus i'll get to see your legitimate anger always.
Not even that anon, but pretending that review scores and GOTY awards matter in this fucking industry is a fucking joke, come on now.
>>343671289
This is the true fun.
>>343669456
>>343669709
TW3 being such a massive success is what is making people have their assholes on fire.
>>343671282
what kind of build are you using OP?
and switch to death march, it's much more fun
>>343671282
I could type out multiple posts explaining why the combat is bad, but it'll simply be met with "you didn't play it/you're shitposting/soulsfag"
No one ever actually explains in-depth why combat in Witcher is good but I see people post paragraph after paragraph explaining in detail why they think the combat is bad. I wonder why that might be.
>>343671375
Reviews and scores don't matter when they don't support your agument, we know that.
I was expecting some awful combat but it never came.
It's actually pretty fun , the hitboxes are precise, pirouetting and dodging feels really smooth.
There's not tons of enemy variety I suppose
BOOOOORRRRRRRINNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG
>>343671454
Thing is, when you mention things like signs, this is the reply you get
>>343671116
I played TW3 a few weeks ago, and I found the combat quite enjoyable precisely because people on /v/ shat on it so much that I went with zero expectations, and I ended up finding it entertaining.
>>343671478
So I guess CoD is great and Uncharted is the pinnacle of modern video games?
Other way around, they only matter when you like the game. Otherwise they're written by paid shills and shouldn't be trusted.
>>343670718
The anime industry suffers from the same types, unfortunately.
I could not fathom wasting my time on something I hate. I don't particularly enjoy Overwatch even though I tried it out, and I just dropped and forgot about it. I'm happy for the people who are getting their money's worth from that game, and I know it is a pathetic waste of time to go into those threads with the purpose of shitting on the game.
Anyway, let's shift fears to something positive. How about dat BaW soundtrack? Glorious.
https://youtu.be/Vt5Mxm7BPhM
>>343671454
>but I see people post paragraph after paragraph explaining in detail why they think the combat is bad
I don't, all I see is this
>>343669456
>>343669709
Come on, post those ''good combat'' filename webms showing bugs, you know you want to post them.
>>343671647
No, TW3 is the pinnacle of modern videogames, and of RPGs since the only competitor is Fallout, which is now Borderlands without the comic artstyle.
>>343652215
Shitposting over nothing. Combat is pretty ok, gets better when you unlock all the abilities like Rend and Whirlwind and the one that unlocks highest level spells using adrenaline.
And you get more ability slots in blood and wine and new rune upgrades in hearts of stone which is nice.
It is pretty much what I wanted from a Witcher game. The combat is like a dance, oils are important, signs are all good enough that Quen and Igni aren't necessary, and monster and enemy diversity is decent.
Anons like >>343653669 are obviously lying since every monster in the game will strike you if you get too greedy so dodging before they do is necessary and they will kill you in a couple hits on death march.
With a bit more depth in terms of enemy movesets and variety of moves between varying types of similar monsters the combat could be great, rather than simply decent. It's satisfying enough.
>>343656002
>>343662243
Witchers are supposed to look like they're dancing when they fight, exactly how its described in the books.
I think it looks awesome and I actually do follow quite a bit of fencing. CDPR employed some good animation artists and even used professional saber fencers from a school in Poland(that is really good) for the animations and attacks of Olgierd in Blood and Wine.
Here's a video of their school, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yegd3YpjmWY
>>343671572
That's fine, but, compared to other RPGs, the combat is just shallow. There's not a whole lot of variety and you're pretty limited in what you can use and do, there's only a tiny handful of "builds" etc. You're allowed to like things that are shallow, but that doesn't mean you're immune from criticism for doing so.
>>343671676
>shift gears
Dammit. Fucking cringe use of words anyway.
>>343671836
Which RPGs?
>>343671451
I don't have anything set in stone yet. I use quen with aard occasionally, and just focus on not dying. It works well enough and I'm having fun with it so far. Might switch up to death march for maximum challenge.
>>343671454
Surely you could condense a short bullet point list with some argumentation anon?
Nothing it's a /v/ meme
>>343671478
Dragon Age Inquisition and TLOU confirmed to be the best video games ever made.
Witcher 3 won GOTY because it was the safest choice that year, just like Dragon Age and TLOU before it.
Pretending that it doesn't have massive flaws or that people hate it just because (insert arbitrary reason for the sake of shitposting) is just plain retarded.
I want to give it another go now that ive not played it a while after having finished my first playthrough.
Should I do new game plus or just straight up start a new file?
>>343671939
Look at
>>343669456
>>343669709
There are people completely obsessed with the game, as if Marcin went to their homes and raped their entire families.
GOTY and reviews, and sales don't matter, but I bet there wouldn't be even a 100th of this butthurt if TW3 flopped.
>>343671887
Dragon's Dogma is a good example and it's another very recent game if we're just talking about combat. You have multiple classes with at least a dozen skills each, more weapon types, more mobility and movement options, more spells, more items, etc. etc.
>>343671793
My father did Hungarian style fencing in university competitively. Small Alabama universities offered interesting sports sometimes.
When he paid me a visit the other week and started shitting on one handed sword fighting in a recent Game of Thrones episode, I showed him a few clips from Olgierd fighting. He was impressed.
I'm glad CDPR went through the effort.
>>343672137
Sure Dragons Dogma, but as an RPG that game is closer to Monster Hunter, in the sense that's just grinding.
There's not much else to point out in this genre.
It's a functional combat, like RPGs have always had.
>>343658196
>board breaks over his head and he proceeds to punch the guy out
savage
>>343671894
Okay
>Few weapon types
>Few available attacks with said weapons
>Few "builds"
>Few enemy types
>Repetitive encounters
>Clunky movement
>Clunky camera
The game looks beautiful and is well-animated, presentation is top-notch. But that focus on presentation is why I think the gameplay is so bad. Seems like they didn't put nearly as much effort into the gameplay as they did the narrative and presentation.
witcher 3 is the most convincing sword combat game . just that
>Use witcher sense to see a chest beneath the water from the surface.
>Dive in.
>Use witcher sense.
>Can't see the chest anymore unless you're dryhumping it.
>>343672404
That's why I referred to just the combat. Witcher looks a lot better and has better dialogue, voice acting, etc. but those don't really relate to the gameplay and combat.
>>343672567
Dialogue is actually part of the gameplay in RPGs, the choices, specifically.
It's one of the biggest reasons why Fallout 4 sucked so much.
>>343672432
There we go. These are some legitimate gripes. Only one I personally have an issue with is the clunky movement.
>>343672091
>There are people completely obsessed with the game, as if Marcin went to their homes and raped their entire families.
You people really ought to try and understand how /v/ as a board works.
First of all, people will shitpost anything for the sake of shitposting. Thats weak sauce and just a given fact.
Second, the manner in which Witcher fans start their threads and how they talked about the game before and after release affects many peoples vision of the fanbase - and the game. Everything from blatant shilling, downgrade denying, criticism deflecting, and so on. The same thing can be seen with Bloodbornes fanbase that shitposted the whole board into oblivion before release - just like Witchers fanbase.
If the Witcher fans actually wanted to discuss their game, they wouldn't start their threads with blatant flamewar-bait that somehow keeps their sad lives satiated a bit longer.
>GOTY and reviews, and sales don't matter, but I bet there wouldn't be even a 100th of this butthurt if TW3 flopped.
There wouldn't be a 10000th of this "butthurt" - just normal shitposting - if Witcher fans weren't such obnoxious cunts and actually stuck to themselves.
Starting every thread with GOTYAY BEST GAME EVER MADE OBJECTIVELY THE GREATEST GOTY GOTY doesn't end well and it boggles my mind how some people don't realize that.
>>343656002
One question, what is the orange thing that dealt damage to both soldiers around 0:12?
>>343672432
because it witcher game you play as witcher.
>>343672193
That's pretty awesome, was he not a big fan of the saber? Its pretty popular in Hungary so I'm sure he had his reasons for feeling that way.
Cutting can be very beautiful with the right saber fencer, and that's what I really like about that. Would be nice if Kingdom Come incorporates sabers.
>>343672696
>I hate a fanbase of a game I don't like because they call me a faggot when I purposefully go to their threads to shitpost
Well ok.
>>343672952
I see this excuse so many times in these threads.
Yes, having Geralt only use swords works perfectly lorewise and its just fine and dandy right? Yeah it is, no problem there.
But lets no try and fucking pretend that limiting the player to literally one weapon type, one very limited moveset, and some highly limited gadgets - not huge damage dealers - isn't limiting or harming to the actual gameplay portion of this particular video game.
You can harp on about the lore and story of the characters and their traits but that wont change the fact that the serviceable-to-okay combat turns into bad-to-horrible after 4 hours of doing it. Considering how the game has content up into the 100+ hours, that serviceable combat turns into a repetitive stew of boring nonsense.
It works, sure. It isn't blatantly broken or downright glitchy, but its just boring. There isn't anything special about it, and it begins to get repetitive in the very first area.
>>343672696
>There wouldn't be a 10000th of this "butthurt" - just normal shitposting - if Witcher fans weren't such obnoxious cunts and actually stuck to themselves.
How do you explain this?
>>343669456
>>343669709
Witcherfags?
No, there are people genuinely angry at this game, which is delicious since baiting actually angry people is the best.
Hell, look at what you just typed, you are the kind of people that everyone enjoys baiting.
>>343673153
Why do you project so hard?
>>I hate a fanbase of a game I don't like because they call me a faggot when I purposefully go to their threads to shitpost
Not only did I not say that in the slighest, but you also skimmed over everything else.
Where did I say I disliked the game too, hm?
>>343672640
Fallout 4 is still ironically more of an RPG than Witcher though despite all the shit it gets for not being an RPG. You have a lot more freedom with your character and your combat role and you still have dialogue choices to make, even if they suck.
Dialogue choices are a staple in adventure games too, which is really what Witcher is. An action/adventure game with light RPG elements.
>>343672696
>this tl;dr paragraph
>mfw all the anger and absolute butthurt coming from this post
>>343672952
Which is why it works better as a book series and not a game, it's extremely limiting from a gameplay perspective.
>>343673575
>u mad: the poster
>>>/2007/
>>343673575
>criticism deflecting
>>343673324
Well, I'm sorry that Geralt doesn't fight like a spearman because he is a Witcher. I can see why that'd be confusing for people who didn't know what they were getting into but for those that did we didn't really want or expect halberds or spears.
I'll meet you halfway and say the game could have benefited heavily from some combos but don't come into my Witcher game expecting shit other than silver and steel.
It's the 3rd in the series.
>>343673568
>Fallout 4 is still ironically more of an RPG than Witcher
lol no
>You have a lot more freedom with your character
With ''a lot more'' you mean customizing your face?
>you still have dialogue choices to make, even if they suck.
Are you implying TW3 has no dialogue choices?
The actually affect what happens.
In Fallout 4, there's not a single choice regarding dialogue, hell, Charisma is barely used in the entire game for dialogue, and there's not a single instance where you need other skills in dialogue, which is a direct downgrade from Fallout 3.
There's only one choice in Fallout 4 that's relevant: which group you side with in the end, something that GTA V did.
Nothing more, no choices in side quests, no nothing.
There's nothing to choose from in Fallout 4, it can't be classified as an RPG, just an open world Call of Duty, hell, we can't even say Call of Duty, because Black Ops 2 had actual choices to make, and things you could fine that would give you completely different endings, so yeah, Fallout 4 is less of an RPG than Cowadooty.
>>343673453
>How do you explain this?
You've already linked those posts 4 times anon.
And yes, that is just shitposting. If you think reposting the same webms and copy pastas is something new or mindblowingly fresh when it comes to shitposting, you haven't been here long enough.
>Hell, look at what you just typed, you are the kind of people that everyone enjoys baiting.
And you people who enjoy baiting are the reason why people dislike you cunts. I like the game and wished to discuss it after finishing it but I refuse to do so when the threads with legitimate discussion end up in complete shambles because someone just had to bleet out
>why is this game the best game ever made? why are the poles so amazing?
If you like the game and the series so much, for what reason would you even care to shitpost this hard? For what reason did you trash the whole board before AND after the release of the game?
>>343673568
So you haven't played Wither 3 then. There are far more choices with different outcomes that actually mean something than Fallout 4 has.
>>343673453
>No, there are people genuinely angry at this game
How the fuck can you be angry at a game what is wrong with you.
>>343673975
>You've already linked those posts 4 times anon.
Because you keep ignoring them.
>If you think reposting the same webms and copy pastas is something new or mindblowingly fresh when it comes to shitposting, you haven't been here long enough.
Haven't said it's something new, just pointing that people don't care about discussing, it's just shitposting because the game was well received by everyone and it's popular, obviously triggering some /v/eddit contrarians.
>And you people who enjoy baiting are the reason why people dislike you cunts.
So you get triggered by baits?
I think it's you who's new here, and I seriously can't understand the suffering you must go through if baits make you shitpost every day for almost a year about a videogame.
>>343673042
Oh yes, foil, sabre , ebeè, he did them all. He said he was "good" at sabre and foil.
He just didn't like GoT and the "water dancing." He said it was very inconsistent, sometimes accurate and sometimes ridiculous.
He laughed hard when I showed him a video or Geralt doing "spin it to win it." He acknowledged that was ludicrous.
>>343673931
>I'll meet you halfway and say the game could have benefited heavily from some combos but don't come into my Witcher game expecting shit other than silver and steel.
Did you not fucking read what I just wrote? I said its completely fine lorewise that the game only has swords but it seriously hurts the gameplay and pretending otherwise is just platant stupidity.
I didn't go in expecting something else other than swords. I went in with expectations of a good story and characters, and I got those.
>>343673568
>your combat role
Its just a game with a lot of weapons.
That's not necessarily a bad thing since mindless gunplay is all Fallout 4 has going for it but it doesn't have better fighting than The Witcher 3 since there's no real tactile expectation for the player in Fallout. You just shoot people with lots of guns.
Borderlands has lots of guns too, it isn't "freedom of combat role"
And frankly, you're either retarded or new to /v/ if you expected the "combat role" to be anything but a Witcher.
>>343674197
I agree, there's no explanation.
Then again, there's people actually angry at this videogame, it's fascinating.
>>343673963
You can customize your character, he/she doesn't have a set backstory beyond having a kid and being married unlike Geralt, you have a lot more options regarding your combat role and you still make dialogue choices. Its RPG elements aren't good but, aside from the dialogue, they're generally a little stronger than those in Witcher. I can create more varied characters both visually and in-practice and the gameplay is a little more varied.
>Are you implying TW3 has no dialogue choices?
Uh, no? I even said the ones you make in FO4 generally suck.
>>343671793
>of Olgierd in Blood and Wine.
What? You mean Hearts of Stone?
It doesn't have inspiration from Berserk. It doesn't look fast and heavy, with simple mechanics but great possibilities. It's button mashing on the same level as asscreed and it looks terrible, the movesets are just silly and look terrible.
>but-t-t witchers are to supposed to dance! THE BOOKS
I don't care. It looks stupid. It's stupid in the game, it's probably stupid in the books too then.
>>343674321
I'm not trying to make the argument that FO4 is good, it's just a slightly better at meeting the criteria for being an RPG because it gives you a little more freedom in your role-playing outside dialogue.
>>343674383
>he/she doesn't have a set backstory beyond having a kid and being married
The guy is a soldier, he's in the military.
The girl is apparently an attorney, the name of the baby is set, and you can't even give your characters personality, all the choices are around basically the same kind of personality.
>they're generally a little stronger than those in Witcher
No they are not.
Point them out, otherwise.
>Uh, no? I even said the ones you make in FO4 generally suck.
They don't suck, there's just no dialogue choices.
You can choose different wording for the same answers, that's all.
>>343674321
>You're retarded for wanting more varied and fleshed-out gameplay
If the lore is extremely limiting to the actual gameplay, then maybe don't make it a game or expand on it.
>>343674546
>it's just a slightly better at meeting the criteria for being an RPG because it gives you a little more freedom in your role-playing outside dialogue.
Aside from the aspect of your character, it lets you do nothing.
It's like GTA Online, a game where you create your character, but you do linear missions.
There's no choices to be made, and no RPG elements outside of that.
Fallout 4 is not an RPG, is an open world shooter.
>>343674221
>Because you keep ignoring them.
I've talked to you for 3 posts now.
> it's just shitposting because the game was well received by everyone and it's popular, obviously triggering some /v/eddit contrarians.
And yet, this thread is filled with legitimate criticism that Witcher fans like deflecting with reaction images and no arguments of their own:
>>343673153
>>343673575
>So you get triggered by baits?
>I think it's you who's new here, and I seriously can't understand the suffering you must go through if baits make you shitpost every day for almost a year about a videogame.
Stop with the projecting and word feeding.
People who post shitty bait and shitpost the whole board into oblivion, don't accept criticism, deny shady business models and blatantly shill for companies - who then expect things to go down smoothly when they start their threads with GOTY awards shitposting yet again.
>>343674237
>sports "fencing"
>literally playing tag with featherweight "swords"
>knowing anything about swordfight
What a joke. Sports fencing is just doubles all the time, light hits that wouldn't kill or incapacitate a person. I'd rather have the opinion of an HEMA instructor.
>>343674787
>I've talked to you for 3 posts now.
And only now you acknowledge that.
>And yet, this thread is filled with legitimate criticism
Point out that criticism.
>>343673698
you act like console player who just jump witcher 3 bandwagon because it multiplatform .
>>343673324
what the fuck is one move set game already offer you to defined attack direction when you fight multiple enemy for more efiency. and there alot of youtube OPbuild involve potion oil adrinaline bomb.
>>343674519
I absolutely adore the Berserk manga and the Witcher series. Both have absolutely ridiculous aspects to portrayal of combat sometimes. I don't care.
At least I can see Geralt do this above 18 FPS. God, why did the new anime have to do this CG? I was praying it would be like Jojo and the intros/extros/trailers had the slow CG. But no.
>>343674787
>who then expect things to go down smoothly when they start their threads with GOTY awards shitposting yet again.
Bahahaha, so not only you are biting all baits, but you are so butthurt that you consider this ''revenge''?
Is there something more sad than these people?
>>343674605
More weapons, more weapon types, actual character customization. Your backstory in FO4 is sparse compared to Geralt's (and it really shouldn't be there for the same reasons it doesn't work well in Witcher). You can still, say, play a snarky little weasel who sneaks around, you could be a boy-scout do-gooder, you have a little more room for variation and, again, the character is something you made.
>>343674702
>then maybe don't make it a game
Well since the game is actually pretty successful and enjoyable it would seem your advice is terrible.
If the game is extremely limiting to your actual enjoyment, then maybe don't buy the game or return it.
>>343674519
That looks horrible, just like all anime trash.
>witcherfags think their combat is better than this
>hourly rpg codex shill thread
>>343674718
And Witcher is not an RPG, it's an action/adventure game.
>>343674787
Lovin' the rage, bud.
>>343675092
Yup, want to go see Transformers 5 with me next summer? Let's make a date :^)
It can't be bad, right? It's popular and makes lots of money!
>>343675140
you should have seen the delusional bullshit they were spouting during GOTY talks , claiming it was best RPG of all time better than classics and shit, just fucking hilarious as fuck and sad
>>343675140
>soulsfags always coming in to fuel the flames
well kek'd my friend
>Jump from 3 feet high.
>Lose a slight bit of health.
>Jump from 5 feet high.
>Instant death.
>>343675140
yeah run around with hardlock.
>>343674793
He isn't an expert, shit. He hasn't done it for years. He used Hungarian sabres, it's all. I was just saying he said the portrayal of fencing with Arya would be spot on and then something wierd would happen. Whereas in Olgierd's fights it was neat, and he could recognize some general stances.
He readily admitted Geralt's fighting was hilarious. He knows it is fiction.
All I was saying is he recognized stances, no need to be hyper aggressive.
>>343675140
Witcher and soulfags are the true cancer when it comes to any thread.
>>343675280
I don't really care what other people like anon.
MGSV and TW3 were the only high exposure games I bought last year, and I bought some pretty good games. It was a good year.
I don't care what other people enjoy, or you for that matter. The game is successful, it ensures a budget for CDPR's next game, and since I enjoyed TW3, I win out. Stay salty.
>>343675140
no, but ds is shit combat.
>>343675063
>More weapons
No.
Not at all.
I've already finished the campaign and I keep finding weapons I never had.
Fallout 4 only has variants of the same weapon, and in the end, all Pipe weapons end up discarded since they just stop being useful.
>more weapon types
Pistol, automatic, sniper, laser and rocket launcher.
>You can still, say, play a snarky little weasel who sneaks around, you could be a boy-scout do-gooder, you have a little more room for variation and, again, the character is something you made.
But you can't do that.
In fact, TW3 does exactly that, it even lets you act like book Geralt would never do, such as refusing to accept rewards for Witcher contracts.
Fallout 4 doesn't let you do anything.
Djikstra ruling Redania is the happy ending on the political side of things
Witcher will never have a combat as fun, fluid and simple as this.
>>343674862
>point out that criticism
Reading the thread too hard?
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>>343674874
>what the fuck is one move set game already offer you to defined attack direction when you fight multiple enemy for more efiency. and there alot of youtube OPbuild involve potion oil adrinaline bomb.
Please, learn english before you try and make a reasonable argument. That would help.
>>343675004
>Bahahaha, so not only you are biting all baits, but you are so butthurt that you consider this ''revenge''?
>Is there something more sad than these people?
People who project this hard?
>>343675501
>I don't care
Could have fooled me with your dozens of posts that ultimately amount to 'u mad'
>>343675140
>>343675639
Go be irrelevant somewhere else, Soulsfag.
>>343674237
Real fencing is pretty exciting to do or watch but sometimes ludicrous fantasy styles can be stylish and theatrical and enjoyable in their own right.
>Is there something fundamentally wrong with it
It doesn't get better and it's not particularly fun or rewarding. It's functional, at the very least.
If that's your standard, that's fine.The plot gets infinitely worse, this is why the combat takes so much heat.
Another year where the moviegame takes the cake. Nothing wrong with a narrative to go along with your gameplay, but not when your game does neither well.
>>343675660
>criticism
The only legitimate criticism I see is this one
>>343660081
Some of the others are only ''WOW THIS IS BAD'' or ''LOL WITCHERFAGS''
The fact that you consider those as criticism probably points at the fact that you are one of those that's just angry at the game for the sake of it.
>>343675660
and why you dont answer my question . im sure you understand what i ask.
>>343674439
My mistake.
>>343675676
You do seem pretty upset, anon. I genuinely don't understand why your ass is so chaffed
>>343675742
This post will get (you) posts and reaction images as "arguments"
>>343675689
I can taste the hurt in your butt
Don't worry, it doesn't matter if your game has shitty combat. At least you have your endless super fun fetch quests, right?
>>343675920
TW3 has actual plot though.
Dark Souls is just a big console Monster Hunter, mindless grinding to beat bosses for the sake of it.
It's not fun, it's not rewarding, and it's not even challenging.
There's no reason to play this franchise.
>>343675920
I dont get it, you can do the same exact thing in TW3.
>>343652215
Why are you playing in easy mode? Do yourself a favour and play in Death March, it's the minimum that is tolerable.
witcherfags are the fucking worst fanbase, pls kys
>>343675890
It really is all you have to say, isn't it?
>>343658191
Thank you for posting that. It was actually super informative. As someone who was a bit put off by the combat, I'm actually going to play again.
>>343652215
just shitposters.
enjoy the hours on end anon
>>343675920
Don't know what i'm supposed to see in this webm.
Hell, you can even enchant other enemies to become your allies too.
>>343676037
You should just watch movies if you hate gameplay
>>343676172
No, I just don't like playing games that give you no reason to play.
They drop me in there, and i'm supposed to just start mindlessly grinding?
Why?
What's the motivation to do this?
All I get is a pretentious and ''deep'' CGI cutscene, and it randomly drops me in the game.
Why would I play this?
>>343675792
>The combat is heavily level based, rather than player skill and characters skills based.
>The combat isn't just about controls and tools also, the enemies are uninteresting and bland as fuck 99% of the time. Even the boss fights are lazy reskins for the very large majority.
>The combat is okay but when you stretch it over 100+ hours and barely any variety in playstyles, it goes from okay to pretty-fucking-bad.
>Witcher sense investigations are repetitive and play themselves, Geralt solves the cases for you and you just follow a trail or scent. Boxing is even worse than swordplay and horse races are impossible to lose.
All those from the couple first posts.
Right, do you want me to make a list of reasons why the combat isn't the best, and why the gameplay overall in W3 is mediocre at best?
>>343675882
>what the fuck is one move set
You get swords, and you get a set of moves - attack animations for those swords.
You don't get any other weapon types, and new weapons dont change your movesets.
This is undoubtedly harmful to the combat because using the exact same attack animations for more than 4 hours is horrible already, but to stretch it thin over 100+ hours is even more of a flaw.
How many swords with different movesets there are in the Witcher?
>>343675792
>The only legitimate criticism I see is this one
Look harder, here's three I found in about 10 seconds.
>>343658350
>>343672432
>>343671836
Multiple posts explaining why its bad, but Witcherfags just respond with deflection and feigned ignorance. Every. Single. Time. They NEVER explain why the combat isn't bad and every diatribe detailing why is met with "S-s-shitposting!"
>>343652215
The Witcher 3 is probably the best RPG in its respective genre we've had in the last decade or so. I know it sounds like a bold statement, but if you look at it from an objective point of view, it is a very high-quality game with a respectable amount of content with a cohesive story and an actually unique main character. From my experience, most other RPGs in The Witcher's class are noticeably lacking in SOME respect albeit storytelling, gameplay, or graphics, and honestly, The Witcher 3 is AT LEAST serviceable in every apsect and that's more than most AAA titles can claim. If anybody disagrees, please speak your opinions.
>>343676324
>The combat is okay but when you stretch it over 100+ hours and barely any variety in playstyles, it goes from okay to pretty-fucking-bad.
This is not criticism, it's ''it's good, but it gets bad'', there's no criticism in here, I could counter this with ''no it's good'' and it would be an argument as valid as this one.
>The combat is heavily level based, rather than player skill and characters skills based.
This is actual criticism.
>The combat isn't just about controls and tools also, the enemies are uninteresting and bland as fuck 99% of the time. Even the boss fights are lazy reskins for the very large majority.
>Witcher sense investigations are repetitive and play themselves, Geralt solves the cases for you and you just follow a trail or scent. Boxing is even worse than swordplay and horse races are impossible to lose.
These two aren't even about the combat.
>>343676356
>game with combat focus has better combat than game with story/exploration focus
>>343676281
Because the one thing unique about video games - interactivity - is quite entertaining in Souls games? The only entertainment I got out of Witcher 3 was the dialogue. Every combat encounter was a boring chore and it kept getting worse when I kept going.
Playing games for their gameplay is a strange concept.
>>343676443
>if you look at it from an objective point of view
How would one go about this?
>this thread
jesus christ calm down you fucking manchildren. this reminds me of the time I was in the first grade and we argued which PS1 game was the hottest shit.
>>343658196
what exactly is going on here?
>>343676557
>- interactivity - is quite entertaining in Souls games?
Which interactivity?
Grinding and boss fights, that's all there is to it.
Just chores so you can beat bosses.
>Playing games for their gameplay is a strange concept.
It's quite weird playing Dark Souls for it's gameplay considering it's just Monster Hunter with better graphics.
These two are franchises that I don't even know why exist.
There's nothing to them.
>>343676535
>>343676356
Fallout 4 has more weapons than Witcher 3 too. Doesn't mean its a better game.
Why do Souls marketers want the Witcher audience so bad?
>>343676281
>No, I just don't like playing games that give you no reason to play.
Gameplay isn't a valid reason to play a video game?
This is the fundamental problem with modern players. You, and so many others, seem to be unable to immerse yourself in a game without having some heavy-handed narrative thrown a you every 5 minutes. You seem to need that narrative to keep you interested when its the gameplay that should be doing that. How do you feel about games like Super Mario Bros. or Tetris?
>>343676758
>Why do Souls marketers want the Witcher audience so bad?
Because Witcher actually HAS an audience
If you go into NG+ what happens to the swords and armour you decorate your vineyard with?
Does it just disappear between playthroughs?
Should I stash anything I want to keep before switching over?
>>343676726
I have a story that tells me what's happening, and there's even books.
Plus it explains quite well what you are doing, and why.
Dark Souls does none of this.
Just some pretentious lines along with a cutscene that has nothing to do with the game and that might as well not be in the game at all, and there you go.
>>343676535
>game with story focus isn't as good a game
Makes sense.
>>343676281
They drop me in there, and i'm supposed to just start going right?
Why?
What's the motivation to do this?
All I get is a boss choice in the start, and it randomly drops me in the game.
Why would I play this?
>>343676324
you get new move set via ability. spin and charge attack i don't understand what is problem. and you just got bored because attack move don't look fancy enough.
>>343676773
What gameplay?
All there is is an average combat system.
> You seem to need that narrative to keep you interested when its the gameplay that should be doing that.
And that's why I drop Dark Souls, it has neither of those things, thus, the game is quite uninteresting.
>>343676481
>This is not criticism, it's ''it's good, but it gets bad'', there's no criticism in here
Yes there is you blatant shill
Something can be good for 20 minutes but if you stretch it over 20 hours that something turns into repetitive boring garbage. Its like using the same weapon throughout 2 playtroughs in a Souls game, or the exact same tactics in an open world game.
>These two aren't even about the combat.
Enemy and boss designs aren't about the combat? Really?
Witcher senses are about gameplay, but true, that isn't about gameplay.
Point was however, that any criticism pointed at W3, its met with posts like yours, who claim that enemy designs and boss recycling isn't a flaw for the combat. Fucking seriously?
>>343676773
I like all sorts of good games. TW Warhammer, DiRT Rally, Mountain Blade, all nothing but gameplay. I dunno, maybe I just don't dicksuck rehashed Japanese assets as much as you do and expect a developer to put a minimum amount of effort.
>>343672912
It's not damage, it's the Adrenaline Rush mutation wearing off, it does some kind of sonar/radar effect all over the area and enemies glow while they're being "scanned".
>tfw you like Souls and Witcher a lot and these threads always feel like your mom and dad are fighting
>>343676773
Monster Hunter has gameplay, but I get more enjoyment and fulfillment from 200 hours of Witcher vs 200 hours of MonHun.
Maybe it is because I also recognize a Skinner box when I see it.
>>343677032
>first line is insulting
Oh boy, here we go.
>Something can be good for 20 minutes but if you stretch it over 20 hours that something turns into repetitive boring garbage
''it gets old'' is not criticism, that depends on everyone.
>Enemy and boss designs aren't about the combat? Really?
What do enemy design have to do with combat?
And the bosses are reskins, of what?
>>343676901
>combat is the only gameplay that makes a game good
>>343677057
>B-b-but DARK SOULS!
Every time.
>>343676748
>Grinding and boss fights, that's all there is to it.
Walking around and talking, thats all there is to Witcher.
See how much sense that made when I was blindly shitposting like you?
>These two are franchises that I don't even know why exist.
So you enjoy watching 10+ hours of cutscenes and talking to animated faces for 100+ hours. Sure, fine, have fun.
But don't act like the gameplay portion of that particular video game isn't filled with massive flaws that actually hurt the experience.
>>343677171
>he equates sitting and watching cutscenes to gameplay
>>343677032
Welp, this guy is getting angrier, either keep up or stop before he blows into an autistic fit of rage.
>>343677171
>story is gameplay
kek
>>343677180
You're the one trying to sell dark souls to me simply because I'm not interested in it in a Witcher thread.
>i-if you dont buy Dark Souls now u h8 vidya!
>dark souls threads
>everyone talking about the game, complaining about OP things, saying git gud, not a single post with witcher
>dragon's dogma threads
>everyone talking about the game, complaining about no sequel, saying your waifu is shit, not a single post with witcher
>witcher threads
>DARK SOULS AND DD SUCKS WITCHER THE BEST BUTTHURT AHHAHAHAHHAHA
>>343676773
mindless action game then. you just play with autism enemy behavior limit by programming code.
>>343677260
>Walking around and talking, thats all there is to Witcher.
Walking, talking, fighting, and exploring since you can completely miss some big quests if you just stick to the main quest.
>So you enjoy watching 10+ hours of cutscenes and talking to animated faces for 100+ hours
No, I enjoy games that mix the two, story with gameplay.
>>343671793
You cropped out the feet in this pic. That's the best part.
>>343677316
I mentioned Mario and Tetris, not Dark Souls.
>>343661675
>It literally works on every area in every difficulty
lol no. Not with human. Click spams works decently well with monster (at least those without special attack) but human will just block and parry like fuckers while you get tons of arrows in your dick or get stabbed from behind by your target's friends.
>>343676758
>>343676872
Nice strawman
>exactly 1 minute apart
lol, talk about samefagging marketers
>>343677348
Sorry we don't shitpost other peoples threads like you do.
Yeah, fuck us right?
>>343677348
t. the one who has been baiting since the beginning of the thread, and probably in yesterday's thread
>>343677386
What?
>>343676935
Sure, you get 2 special attacks with leveling. These happen after quite some time however, and then again don't change how the combat works drastically at all.
>and you just got bored because attack move don't look fancy enough.
No, I got bored because the overly fancy attack animations that there are are incredibly boring after more than a few hours.
>>343677030
What gameplay is there to be had in Witcher then?
Investigating crime scenes is automated and barely has the player doing anything other than spamming X so Geralt mumbles to himself.
Picking dialogue choices is barely gameplay at all since you're just choosing #text 1 or #text 2
Exploration is just walking around and/or combat
>>343677285
>Combat is the only element of gameplay
Are you clinically braindead?
>>343677424
>the only way to tell a story in a video game is through cutscenes and dialogue and making it an interactive movie
>>343677263
>>343677285
> than game with story/exploration focus
>exploration
>>343677348
>witcher threads
>Soulsfags posting webms of their dead franchise
???
>dragons dogma threads
>completely dead since there's nothing to talk about
>dark souls threads
>dead unless there's company war shitposting
>people pointing fingers at platforms as the reason why ''the Dark Souls community is dead''
>>343677348
Maybe because three or four really strange autistic fucks come to every Witcher thread.
>>343677714
>a game having cutscenes makes it an interactive movie
>>343677760
>>343677752
>>343677574
>>343677553
Delusional as fuck.
Worth buying the Season Pass or the DLCs aren't that good?
>>343677717
>exploration
Same shit you get in Skyrim and /v/ loves to shit all over that. Repetitive camps/caves with the same enemies and useless randomized loot you could have just bought from the shop in town. You can't interact with the environment much beyond just picking stuff up or examining it.
>>343677893
Oh, look, he thought changing the filename was going to work.
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/image/xwkPf9hF8Fwxp93df6Q6Cw/
>>343677869
That's what cutscenes coupled with dialogue choices are, yes. A movie you interact with.
>>343677903
They are quite good, in fact, their stories are better than the main game.
Blood and Wine adds quite a lot too.
Pros:
>Dialogue Writing
>Gameplay (Gwent)
>Lighting
>Worldbuilding
Cons:
>Act V (Return to Skellige)
>Gameplay (Combat, Horse Riding, Witcher Senses)
>Geography
>Narrative
>Pacing
>Puzzles (Nonexistent)
>"RPG Elements"
Best book I ever played. Won't play it again. Special thanks to CDPR shutting down Gwent Online and replacing it with a freemium app, truly the gamer's friend.
Not looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077.
>>343677903
Wait, they jacked prices up right before the Steam sale.
>>343677161
>''it gets old'' is not criticism, that depends on everyone.
Are you implying Witchers combat doesn't get old after more than 10 hours?
You get one limited moveset
A couple gadgets worthy of a few small things like dropping griffins out of the sky
5 signs that do X and Y
2 special skills after 10+ hours of game time
And thats it. If you can live with the exact same movesets and the exact same animations for the 100+ hours that the game has content for, I salute you.
>What do enemy design have to do with combat?
Enemy design has more to it than visual flair.
>And the bosses are reskins, of what?
The very first Wild Hunt soldier is just a reskin of a two-hander bandit, with the same moves too. Only they added healing and thrash mobs to make it even remotely exciting.
The only really unique bosses are Imlerith, Crones, Caranthir and Eredin.
Not to mention a lot of the enemies have similar movesets, like a lot of the monster enemies who have generic claw animations or gap-closers.
>>343677893
Don't you see guys?
It's the witcherfags who shit up all threads!
>>343677424
>Walking, talking, fighting, and exploring since you can completely miss some big quests if you just stick to the main quest.
Walking and fighting is in Souls, both of which are more responsive and varied.
Talking isn't a part of gameplay. You're choosing text options on a screen.
>>343678335
>Are you implying Witchers combat doesn't get old after more than 10 hours?
No, i'm implying that varies from one person to another.
>Enemy design has more to it than visual flair.
Like?
I mean, there's quite some variety from the moveset of others and the rest.
>The only really unique bosses are Imlerith, Crones, Caranthir and Eredin.
Funny because those are pretty much all the bosses in the game.
>>343675920
Fromdrones confirmed for retarded
Posts a webm to prove his game has good combat and then just posts a shitty imitation of Axii
>>343678594
>both of which are more responsive and varied.
Not really, the alternate movement system makes TW3 much more responsive.
And there's no variation.
>Talking isn't a part of gameplay
Choices in dialogue are part of what makes RPGs and RPG.
As I said, Dark Souls is a pointless franchise, as if they took some parts of an otherwise complete game and sold it as one.
>>343678278
This.
The best parts of Witcher 3 was when the characters I liked were on screen and did something interesting.
Sadly 99% of the game isn't that and it just turns into a mediocre borefest. Sad too, it could have been one of my favorite games of all time but it just has too many flaws in almost every single aspect that its impossible.
>>343678741
>Choices in dialogue are part of what makes RPGs and RPG.
You misspelled "adventure game"
Witcher is also lacking, you know, all those other parts that make RPGs RPGs.
>>343678449
>all of them in June
This is so sad.
These are the people shitposting in these threads.
Also quite funny how we are 400 posts in and there's not even 100 IPs.
It's literally one guy samefagging for hours.
Can't imagine what kind of virgin does this tbqh.
>>343677348
>dark souls fans take pride in being the only fanbase pathetic enough to wage war on a video game
>>343678829
What kind of parts?
Customizing the face of your character?
That's really the only thing lacking.
>>343678836
>100 people making 4 posts each
>"samefag"
More deflection, should have expected it.
>>343678986
In the last 200 posts the IP count has only gone up by 20.
You are probably the guy who is baiting everyone too.
Sorry for whatever lead you to spend hours and hours shitting on a videogame that triggers you harder than a white dude triggers a SJW.
>>343678335
because wild hunt are almost only boss in game.
>>343678278
You sound bitter. Why the fuck wouldn't they shut down Gwent online? The "creator" of it didn't ask permission for it.
>>343678609
>Funny because those are pretty much all the bosses in the game.
The game has a lot more and arguably all the contract monsters are bosses too - most of which are reskinned. I remember hunting down my 4th noonwraith and Geralt saying it aloud to himself. Cancelled that quest and did something else.
>>343678741
>And there's no variation.
Souls games objectively have more variation than W3.
2 weapons in Bloodborne has more attack animations than the swords in W3
Then add in magic, miracles, hexes, shields, pyromancies and more.
>As I said, Dark Souls is a pointless franchise, as if they took some parts of an otherwise complete game and sold it as one.
Whats the point in the witcher then?
Keep in mind BOTH games have TRASH combat in comparison to CHIVALRY
Although witcher has great story + exploration + characters so it beats Dark souls every time
FUN FACT: Witcher 1 is the best title in the series
>>343678965
Everything about the gameplay. You have dick for combat roles, weapons, skills, etc. It's an action/adventure game with a few RPG elements, dialogue doesn't automatically make a game an RPG, adventure games are generally nothing but dialogue and puzzles.
Not sure. I've played both dark souls and DD extensively, and I think the combat in witcher 3 is fine.
Although the game did get tedious as fuck on death march. I managed to learn how to take packs of wolves/dogs really easily, especially if I can stay on roach. But drowners just fucked my shit no matter what I did. They literally fucking flail like retards, and if they even scratch you, you lose like 50% of your life.
I thought fighting humans was fucking piss easy, and a lot of the monsters had some way to completely counter them.
Either way, the ai is just shit. You can solve any issue you're having with a fighting by literally just endless side stepping or rolling around them and then striking once or twice when they miss. That is the main issue.
>>343679125
>The game has a lot more and arguably all the contract monsters are bosses too
What?
>>343679140
And Chivalry has trash combat compared to Mount & Blade, what's your point?
>>343652215
Its repetitive.
All I did was spam fast attacks and heal up with Quen.
Although I'm sure on higher difficulties where you have to actually use stuff like oils, potions and bombs makes it different.
>>343679182
>Everything about the gameplay.
What kind of parts does TW3's combat miss that makes it an RPG?
Because Dark Souls' combat is really bad and is, for some reason, considered an RPG.
>>343679205
Okay sorry, they're just *very slightly* stronger variations of common foes you can find in the world all on your own, now accompanied by a boring 5-minute "search" where Geralt mumbles to himself (the braindead players really, can't have you actually DO something in an RPG right?) and then you get to fight it.
My bad, got it wrong the first time.
>>343679402
Exactly, they are not bosses.
>>343679337
Choosing different roles, weapons, etc. If it is an RPG, its an extremely limited one.
Dark Souls has more and more fleshed out RPG elements. Not even debatable, this is objectively measurable.
>>343679293
>Although I'm sure on higher difficulties where you have to actually use stuff like oils, potions and bombs makes it different.
I played through it on Death March recently and literally never felt a need for oils, potions and bombs. The AI and movesets are just so braindead easy that the only difference in "difficulty" is the ever so artificial increase of health and damage.
It was okay, but the wearing the best witcher set and going an alchemy build basically trivializes the game past level 15 or so, even on death march.
>>343652215
>i think quen and mashing light attack is challenging
>>343679402
Lol, I love how this guy is always on the offensive, seriously, how can someone be THIS angry at a videogame?
It's genuinely fascinating.
>>343679483
But Dark Souls is as much of an RPG as Borderlands.
You get new weapons, that's all.
ciri's combat is so much better but geralt has more tools
wish there was a ciri only dlc
>>343679684
nope.
>>343679086
>Why the fuck wouldn't they shut down Gwent online
The same reason Square Enix doesn't shut down Triple Triad, because who cares? They weren't selling Gwent Online, but that's why they shut it down, so they could sell it after selling you the base game which they couldn't bother to finish properly, and then the season pass DLC.
The only functional part of your gameplay, ripped, and sold back to you. Based Polacks.
>b-but the DLCs are expansions
>b-but industry standards
>>343679125
a lot of people struggle with boss. they not gonna catch everything in first playthrough. you act like you figured out everything you don't even know how much reward if you invested in bomb potion oil. and once again why all action game need to be dark souls bloodborne.
i dont think i learned how to parry at all
how do you do it?
>>343679710
I honestly think there will be. Or at least a standalone story for her.
>>343679292
But that's wrong, mount and blade is a yawn fest on foot and is only fun in single player
>>343679578
Excellent argument CDPR drone, well done
Threads like this reminds me why no one takes this place seriously.
The only way to ruin this industry much more than it already is, would be by following /v/eddit's advice.
I mean, people here unironically consider Mount and Blade and Dark Souls good, when are basically snorefests.
And when people consider other games better, look how mad they get.
Hours and hours of crying about that game people like.
I'm just glad this place has no relevancy at all.
Last thing the industry needs is the advice of virgins.
>>343679750
but the gwent game will be free
>>343679776
> lot of people struggle with boss. they not gonna catch everything in first playthrough. you act like you figured out everything
With how easy they are in W3? Yeah, I did. You have to be fucking horrible at video games to have difficulty with Witchers combat.
>and once again why all action game need to be dark souls bloodborne.
Never said they should, I merely compared them and objectively said how much more variety and depth Souls has to its combat system.
>>343679710
>>wish there was a ciri only dlc
That'll be $84.99USD ($94.99CAD), plus tip.
>>343680021
I put as much effort into my posts as you do in yours.
No matter how much you complain, no matter whatever you do, The Witcher 3 is a success loved by everyone, and no matter how many hours you spend derailing these threads, that will never change.
And Cyberpunk will be nothing but yet another success, and you will have to spend days on end doing damage control over it.
Don't know why people are getting so angry at videogames, but considering you are not relevant, and that I get to see people genuinely angry, and not just shitposting, it's quite a win-win situation.
>>343680023
Witcher 3 is one of those games where I actually hope the industry doesn't take cues from. Everything from mediocre gameplay to a story focus, hand-holding to extreme pandering.
>>343680023
You're just as bad, don't ever think you're not.
>>343680249
But the compat system of Souls has no depth or variety.
Roll to win.
Don't know why that franchise is even a thing, but i'm glad it's over.
Nothing but yearly poison for this industry.
>>343675140
No one ever said that, just your typical soulsfag falseflagging.
>>343680286
>No matter how much you complain, no matter whatever you do, Transformers 4 is a success loved by everyone, and no matter how many hours you spend derailing these threads, that will never change.
>And Transformers 5 will be nothing but yet another success, and you will have to spend days on end doing damage control over it.
anyone else dislike geralt? he is le generic bad ass. hes meh as a main character, makes me not want to play the game.
>>343680378
>>343680390
See?
Irrelevant opinions for the sake of trying to differentiate yourself from the masses.
This is why this place will never be taken seriously by anyone.
>>343680509
Not really, Transformers movies are always critically panned, and are basically the laughstock of the industry.
Transformers' equivalent would be something like Call of Duty.
TW3's equivalent?
Well, no legitimately good movie has come out in a very long time, so I wouldn't know.
is there a way to get this hairstyle? without mods that is
>>343680286
>The Witcher 3 is a success loved by everyone, and no matter how many hours you spend derailing these threads, that will never change.
Sure, whatever.
Please pretend that it doesn't have flaws either while you're at it.
>>343680045
Free(mium)
Hearthstone is free*. I didn't realize CDPR was aspiring to be Blizzard.
>>343677971
>its shit just like skyrim! isnt it amazing!
>>343680249
depth because they allow clipping obcure hitbox and roll for win .
>>343680726
>Sure, whatever.
Wait, are we going to pretend anyone outside of these threads shares your opinion?
You are a really minor, and irrelevant minority, just like most of /v/eddit's opinions.
Nobody cares about what anyone here thinks, and i'm really glad of it, the industry is already quite bad as is.
>>343680668
But they make $1 billion every time, how can you say people hate them? Why would they keep going back?
>>343680045
You're not going to be competitive as a poor fag kid, you might as well not play.
>>343680409
>But the compat system of Souls has no depth or variety.
>Roll to win.
>be born
>live
>die
wow, life has no variety at all.
Trying to sum up Souls gameplay of even witcher gameplay with
>roll
>attack
Is just blatantly retarded and you too know that.
>Don't know why that franchise is even a thing, but i'm glad it's over.
Because people actually enjoy video games, with good gameplay?
>>343680884
>But they make $1 billion every time
Because of China, and parents know it's a movie they can safely take their kids to see.
In fact, domestic box office is dropping like a rock for Transformers flicks.
>>343679750
>babby never lived in the heyday of expansions
God dammit when will you stop posting the innacurate criticism of expansions?
>>343680994
Not really, there's absolutely no depth in Dark Souls combat, and there's no traces of good gameplay in it.
It's basically the go-to videogame for ''lol im such a nerd xD'' teenagers, just like Fallout and TES.
>>343678781
dont tell rpg codex that, they just come here, literally every hour on the hour to shill this shit game and reinforce their decades of shitposting
0 AWARDS I REPEAT 0 AWARDS TO SHITBOURNE. NEVER EVER SONYNIGGERS
>>343681034
But they're monumentally successful and millions of people see them.
>>343681201
Good god you're childish.
>>343681219
Yes, kids, their parents, and China.
>>343679935
Awww, can't compete in multiplayer using a combat system that is actually coherent?
Can't 10-1 scrubs in M&B because bending over backwards while 360 spinning to tickle them with your blade doesn't kill them in M&B?
>>343681131
I bought Frozen Throne in 2003 and regretted it every day since.
>>343681201
This, tbqh.
These are just Soulsfags really angry at their complete failure, and the fact that Dark Souls 3 was such a forgettable game that closed a franchise that hasn't been good in about 5 years.
>>343680861
No, depth because you have far more options and far more different encounters than in Witcher. Just comparing the weapon types and enemy types already tells you what game has more variety and depth.
>>343680868
>Wait, are we going to pretend anyone outside of these threads shares your opinion?
No, but apparently we are going for a world record in projecting and word feeding.
>You are a really minor, and irrelevant minority, just like most of /v/eddit's opinions.
Funny enough, Redditors are the one group who absolutely love Witcher 3 and can't stop sucking its dick.
>>343681305
So? Why do you get to wave that success away but I can't do the same with Witcher?
>>343681150
>Not really, there's absolutely no depth in Dark Souls combat, and there's no traces of good gameplay in it.
Prove it.
While you're at it, please try and defend the gameplay of Witcher 3, and witcher senses. I'm sure its a deep and complex mechanic in your eyes.
>>343681526
>No, but apparently we are going for a world record in projecting and word feeding.
Projecting? How?
Millions of people share what I think, unlike you.
>Funny enough, Redditors are the one group who absolutely love Witcher 3 and can't stop sucking its dick.
Everyone aside from a bunch of /v/edditors loved the game.
>>343681509
>victim complex over people not accepting your constant fucking shitposting and endless fucking hourly threads endlessly praising this mediocre game
>>343681201
>>343681683
>constant fucking shitposting and endless fucking hourly threads endlessly praising this mediocre game
Man, you are so assmad, fucking lol.
>>343681669
>~4 million copies sold
>7+ billion people that didn't buy it
you're outnumbered, friend
>>343681669
>Millions of people share what I think, unlike you.
And that means your completely subjective opinion is a fact?
>Everyone aside from a bunch of /v/edditors loved the game.
Meaning everyone who has different opinions opposed to yours is a "/v/edditor", as if that was an actual insult coming from you
>>343681628
Because, unlike Transformers, TW3 was loved by everyone.
Aside from a few angry virgins in /v/, but who cares about what /v/ thinks.
>>343681831
>4 million copies sold
Wow, so it only sold 1 million on PS4 and XONE?
>7+ billion people that didn't buy it
But out of those 7 billion, how many hated it?
Maybe 10 virgins who are in /v/?
>>343681201
Maybe if FromSoft put some effort into their games they'd actually get some notice.
They reuse so many assets that it even stands out in entirely other titles. They don't even try. Its cheap as shit, and not really worth buying.
They are worse about rehashing shit than Ubisoft. At least Ubisoft uses new assets on their shitty games.
>>343681891
>And that means your completely subjective opinion is a fact?
No, it means that, fortunately, no one will take your opinion seriously.
>Meaning everyone who has different opinions opposed to yours is a "/v/edditor", as if that was an actual insult coming from you
No, it's an insult to the 5 virgins who hate this game and spend hours showing their anger at it's massive and deserved success.
>>343681325
I don't enjoy games where the best players fight naked and jump around spamming their feints with infinite stamina with 2 frames between each new attack
>>343681526
million people loved this game. soulsborne fan keep attack this game. because of what who know their purpose.
there a lot of people in this world who not care about japanese game.
they are already please for what it is.
>>343660805
>GERALT OF TRIVIA
???
>>343681998
This, it's like going to a restaurant and being served the same lasagna they scraped off somebodies plate yesterday. Insulting. Probably one of the worst practices in video games.
>>343677135
fucking this
>>343682024
>no one will take your opinion seriously
yes yes, we all know witcherdrones dont accept legitimate criticism no matter how well its constructed and said.
>No, it's an insult to the 5 virgins who hate this game and spend hours showing their anger at it's massive and deserved success.
I bet you think the quest design is amazing too.
I bet you actually, legit think that witcher senses is a good game mechanic and that it was a smart design choice.
>>343681998
Fromdrones defend the shit out of reused assets. Pure cancer incarnate.
>>343681925
>But out of those 7 billion, how many hated it?
If they didn't hate it, they'd have bought it.
Check mate.
>>343682262
>yes yes, we all know witcherdrones dont accept legitimate criticism no matter how well its constructed and said.
There's nothing here apart from ''combat is shit'', so obviously the industry will ignore what this place thinks, and rightfully so.
>I bet you think the quest design is amazing too.
I do, actually.
>I bet you actually, legit think that witcher senses is a good game mechanic and that it was a smart design choice.
Nah, it's one of the things I didn't like, but I had a blast with it anyway.
9/10.
>>343676884
from what i've read, yes, store it in stash
>>343682316
Which version of the ursine set is this?
I know it's clearly dyed black, I mean upgrade-wise.
>>343682387
>If they didn't hate it, they'd have bought it.
Then all those people hate videogames in general.
Blame games like CoD, Assassins Creed or Dark Souls for that, tbqh.
>>343682428
>There's nothing here apart from ''combat is shit''
>>343678335
>>343678278
>>343677971
>>343677707
>>343676371
>>343676324
>Witcherfags in charge of tolerating criticism
>>343682387
>Witcher 3 is a good game, but not good enough for every person in the world to buy it
Well shit they should try play it at least however possible, every person should play TW3 before they die.
>>343682712
This tbqh.
Pure kino.
>tfw I never found the diagrams to upgrade swallow past 'enhanced'
>>343682428
>Nah, it's one of the things I didn't like, but I had a blast with it anyway.
>i didn't like the biggest game mechanic in the game
>i still liked it though
ah, so its just a case of completely shit taste then?
>>343682516
Superior. (with lore friendly Witchers mod, get that shit.)
>>343682705
>From fans in charge of not getting assblasted over TW3 outselling every game From ever made combined
>>343682705
No actual criticism in there tbqh.
Let's post some kino to end the thread well.
>>343682048
But, you do enjoy games where the best players bend backwards in half wearing plate armour while crouching to dodge attacks?
A game where the speed of a weapon impacting you doesn't actually matter so dragging the swing to tap an opponent's head bursts it like a melon?
Every game has it's high level min-max cheese but, I'll forgive M&B's simply because you are able to do more as a player against it than Chivalry. That's even beyond the fact that Chiv's Matrixing combat looks fucking retarded.
>>343682880
>/v/eddit telling others they have shit taste
lol
>>343682913
>No actual criticism in there tbqh.
>tfw have a few days completely free, going to start a brand new playthrough doing alchemy for the first time
Any tips for alchemy?
>>343682896
>>343682913
>>343683027
I bet you people think the game is flawless too and that it didn't have anything wrong with it.
Funny enough it does some things even worse than fucking Skyrim but thats a Bethesda game, so who cares right?
>>343683169
He's right.
Absolute, unshackled kino.
>>343683286
Uninstall, its a neat trick.
>>343683289
I agree.
The sole fact that this fucking whore is in the game killed it for me.
I'm glad they even imply one of the guys at Kaer Morhen implied she banged her and basically made Trissfags cuckolds.
>>343667604
is that an Asterix reference?
>>343683296
Pure unbridled kino in vidya form.
>>343683286
>he fell for the alchemy build meme
I bet you didn't even get Ciri in Blood and Wine, faggot.
>>343682913
>>343683027
>>343683296
Pretty visuals is literally all this game has and even the fanbase knows that.
You probably think "posting kino" - actually using film terms, fucking lol - is some kind of response to criticism.
>>343683441
>waifufag shitposting
just what this thread needed
>>343683557
I love the haunted locations in the game, the atmosphere is just unsettling, not scary or anything, just enough to put you on edge.
>>343683573
He is making a joke, comrade.
>>343683715
Ahh, so he was only pretending to be retarded?
>>343683707
>Triss
>waifufagging
I'll take it as an insult.
Shame best girl can't be banged.
>>343683928
Why are you so jumpy m8?
It's just a joke.
>>343683714
nighttime is just spooky in general
the whole ladies of the woods quest was just so unsettling even before you see them in person
>>343683560
What does that even have to do with anything
>>343683427
Jesus dude, calm down.
>>343684131
It was a dissapointment that their true look was disgusting becausethe voices were hot.
But they did have to die.
>>343684331
>>343684059
>>343684131
Hope you all made the right choiceand let her go.
>>343683289
Witcher 3's only flaw isit had to end
>>343684131
The soundtrack for that whole segment really adds to it. The soundtrack adds to a lot of areas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOlPwt5ZtB8
>>343684516
what dlc is that? i'm still on heart of stone
>>343684734
Hearts of Stone, one of the last quests of it.
