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New Andromeda leaks:
>The reason that Bioware refuses to comment or even acknowledge the endings of ME3 relative to how they are involved with Andromeda's story/lore is because they are actually going the Indoctrination route (Youtube "Indoctrination") but with their own twist
>Their twist involves Shepard NOT be indoctrinated by the end of ME3 but actually at the very start of ME2.
>Shepard doesn't actually get rebuilt from Cerberus, the events of ME2/ME3 are actually memory implants made by the Reapers as they try to indoctrinate him
>The beginning of Andromeda essentially has Ryder and the entire Alliance fleet being chased away from the Milky Way Galaxy by the Reapers led by the corrupt Shepard
>There is an N7 operative in pursuit of Ryder and her squad, not much is known about this N7 operative
Wut
Seems legit
>>343643267
I know this is some iluminati-level bullshit, but I would be really okay with retconing both Mass Effecr 2 and 3.
>ME2
>ME3
"LOOOOL JOKES ON YOU XD IT WAS ALL DREAM!"
I don't buy this.
When you write yourself into a corner use the old "and it was all a dream" method
If this is all true bioware writers have hit the bottom of the barreland I didn't think they could get lower
>caring about any of this bullshit when Mass Effect was ruined and the new Mass Effect will be the next big EA joke flop blunder of the century
>>343643651
More like
>guys we are fucking hacks who can't write a proper ending nor can we write this ending into the fourth game, so let's choose a completely retarded retarded fan theory that absolves us of needing to be creative and removes the need for us to have to appease the huge amount of fans who were let down by our shitty writing
>>343644563
This but the indoctrination theory was better than what we got.
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>>343643267
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised
>>343644649
It was just as retarded
>>343643267
On one hand, this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.
On the other, that would mean ME2 and ME3 would be retconned, which is cool.
>>343644010
>GaryColeman.jpg
>retcon the entirety of ME2 & ME3
>make the original ME the only canon one
BASED BIOWARE
>>343643267
The Indoctrination theory is fucking retarded. It assumes Bioware has incredibly competent writers, which they don't, and doesn't provide a real ending to the game.
That implies Bioware is actually admitting the stories in 2 and 3 were shit and are running them back. They're too far up their own asses to ever do that.
But is there co-op?
>>343643267
Only thing that isn't retconned is Jack+Shepard, right? That's still canon?
>>343645323
Liara is the closest thing to a canon romance
Why do I get the feeling that the real story will be even worse? Just like the story made up by /v/ for Dragon Age II before we got it.
>>343645727
They're genuinely just going to ignore the trilogy, maybe make a half-assed codex reference or two
This is bullshit. The entire reason they set the new game in an entirely different galaxy is so they can avoid the clusterfuck ME3 did to the milky way.
>>343643267
Kill yourself. Mass Effect discussions should be banned on /v/, alongside Dragon Age. You cucks destroyed /v/ during that awful ME3 shitstorm.
>>343645839
Does it even matter? Andromeda is like 2 million light years away. Not counting the time it will take to settle the first colonies, it will have passed centuries or thousands of years. By that time every character (minus Asari and Krogan) will be dead and buried.
That's pretty ballsy
>>343646171
>carrying about lightspeed in a world with space ships
>>343646171
No, but people don't like to see their choices rendered meaningless. Besides, I think finding out the fates of the squadmates (really the only thing people seem to get emotionally attached to in the series) is important. Even if they otherwise ignore the ending, just writing a few paragraphs for each major character, with a few lines changing depending on choice, goes a long way to making it feel like choice actually matters, in a series advertising that your choices will have an effect
Sorry for the ramble
>>343643267
If Bioware retcons ME2 and 3, I'm honestly not sure how people will take it. ME3 sucked balls, but 2 wasn't THAT bad and had some really memorable characters. That whole starting sequence with Shepard being sucked into space, running out of Oxygen and falling through reentry was pretty fucking memorable. It'd be a shame if Bioware have written themselves into such a shit story that they have to say, "Nope. Lol. Just a dream."
>>343645839
So long as Neil Ross narrates the codex I won't mind what's in it.
>>343646602
Galaxies are pretty far away even by the standards of typical science-fiction setting. There's a reason most setting are quite content with just one galaxy. Also why should there be a Mass Relay linked directly to Andromeda?
>>343646764
I think that people hated ME3's ending and general half-assedness, but they still care about the universe and characters.
>>343646938
They go into stasis and it takes them a long time to get to Andromeda. That's why in the trailer you see femRyder waking up or something
>>343643267
There's nothing worse than a "it was all just a dream" plotline.
>>343646938
Didn't they capture a Reaper ship or something called Ark? It's clearly not made with the technology of this cycle.
>>343643267
This is so bad it could actually be true, that's how fucked Bioware are now.
>>343647257
It's confirmed to be less than lightspeed.
>>343643267
>The reason that Bioware refuses to comment or even acknowledge the endings of ME3 relative to how they are involved with Andromeda's story/lore is because they are actually going the Indoctrination route (Youtube "Indoctrination") but with their own twist
I would be perfectly okay with this, the indoctrination theory would've been a nice twist.
>>343643651
Indoctrination theory isn't quite like that, it was more like through the events of ME3, Shepard was slowly getting indoctrinated and it's at the end of the game that he finally gets indoctrinated.
So in short, only the ending and perhaps moments before it, were a "Dream" in this case. Honestly, I think that they had indoctrination in mind for the ending at first but scrapped it due to the hack that wrote the current "multicolour" endings, mainly due to how much shit pointed towards it.
>>343647015
I find it hard to believe that Bioware would completly retcon Miranda, Legion, EDI, the Salarian, the Brogan, the generic negro and Buff McSlabmeat. Oh and the shaved dyke.
I guess I have forgotten their names, so they can't be THAT memorable. I remember their stories though.
Oh, hey, Zaeed. He was pimp as fuck. Reconning that shit would be fucking faggotry, so I guess it's not completely out of the question that Bioware would do it.
>>343643267
way to make your decisions even less impactful, it's like a child wrote it.
tbch it was foreshadowed what happens if you give in and take the shortcut using Reaper tech. Personally I have no issues with it it'd explain why they let a single ship with a small crew destroy their most prized race from the last cycle and babby.
>>343647636
Shit wait, missed the OP saying that the leak claims to have Shepard indoctrinated since the start of ME2.
>>343643267
>Implying they're actually *that* creative
don't get your hopes up man
>>343647753
Don't think they were a dream as such merely that since having being revived as a cyberzombie Shepherd had been going through the process, aided by Cerberus who were also compromised.
>>343647636
The indoctrination theory is colossally stupid. It just seems better in comparison to the real ending
>>343647753
I reckon that will piss off the tumblr audience (which Bioware actually listens to) because they can't have muh shakarian romance
>>343643267
Literally the entire reason they're changing galaxies is to avoid explaining the endings of ME3. This is one of the worst fake leaks I have ever seen. You should be ashamed.
Indoctrination theory must be the most pathetic fanmade thing I have ever seen. Had it been true, it would have been even worse than the multicolor ending.
If that is the case they truly are the worst writers in existence.
Hell my stupid theory on how to bypass the mess that is the ending ME3 in ME:A is better and I suck at this sort of thing.
For the record I think they are going with: "we built a magic space ark while we were fighting the Reapers and we don't know what happened after we left and have no way of knowing since we dropped communication for fear of being found."
>I like ME1
>Indoctrination theory is retarded
Pick only 1
Yes, but can I exterminate the locals primitives and colonise their worlds in the name of the Citadel species, oldstyle?
>>343648653
Why? What makes it bad?
>>343648768
>"we built a magic space ark while we were fighting the Reapers and we don't know what happened after we left and have no way of knowing since we dropped communication for fear of being found."
This is what makes most sense. I wouldn't be surprised if they release a DLC about trying to re-establish contact at some point though
>there are people who unironically think indoc theory doesn't make sense
>Mass effect 2 non-canon
>Best guy was all a dream
They wouldn't do that...Would they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-dLzzQuVM
>>343648964
Oh, look! My choices are not just negated, they never happened in the first place. It was all a dream! How clever and deep!
To be true, there should have been more clues towards memory tampering way before the ending.
>>343648961
No way man, you space migrants.
Racist evil alien Donald Trump is going to build a dyson sphere around his solar system to keep you dirty Milxycans out. Aren't you excited for more of bioware's deep political messages? Now you'll know what it's like for all those poor somalian rapefugees.
Where does this leak come from? Have a link?
>>343649196
It might make some sense. But "It was all a dream" is plain shit. Worse shit than what we got.
>>343648964
Because the entire game was poorly thought out. If just the ending was nonsensical, then I MIGHT be able to believe that it wasn't real
>>343649442
yeah source is his ass
The only hope for Ass Effect was just wiping the slate clean and having a new Saga. Andromeda should be the Star Trek TNG of the series.
Pulling retcons up the ass and still making it about Reapers is a dumb idea. They should be growing out the universe not making things confusing for people who haven't played the games in years now.
Bioware is just incompetent.
>>343648768
I thought that was the most obvious and reasonable hook for why ME:A is even happening.
>>343649392
>It was all a dream!
No one ever said this. Did you even play the games?
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination
>Indoctrination is the term used for the "brainwashing" effect the Reapers and their technology have on organic beings. A signal or energy field surrounds the Reaper, which subtly influences the minds of any organic individual in range.
>subtly influences
Where does it say anything about being unconscious?
>>343649392
>To be true, there should have been more clues towards memory tampering way before the ending.
But there was, it was the whole reason why the Indoctrination theory got so popular.
As for "Choices are negated", it depends on when the control finally took over. Considering what happened, lots pointed towards it happening near the end, with events happening prior hinting at the indoctrination.
If they had been smart and actually went with indoctrination, they would've released a patch that continues the story a month or two after release after all the discussions and talk about the endings and indoctrination has reached its peak.
But as we all know, what they planned didn't matter because the lead writer literally locked himself inside a room and wrote the current endings himself.
Mac Walters is working on Andromeda
Mac Walters invalidating ME2 and 3 is like George Lucas invalidating the original Star Wars films
>>343649445
"it was all a dream"
is not what indoc theory says. you just are uneducated.
>>343643267
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
>>343643267
I REALLY hope this isn't true.
I want to believe that developers are better than this.
Regardless of how fucking stupid and insane the world is, i have faith in humanity, but THIS fucking tests me.
Say it ain't so.
Looks like BioFriends are getting exactly what they want, a paid retcon.
>>343650218
no he's clearly shitposting
>>343650169
Indoctrination theory is about as brilliant as Jar Jar being the Sith pulling the strings.
Search your feelings, you know it to be satisfying.
>Hint at the Dark Energy threat in ME2.
>Completely ignored in ME3.
It's quite clear that the reason behind the harvesting thing was originally going to be this.
>>343643267
[citation needed]
>>343643267
This leak coming right out of your ass?
>The last two games were just a prank, bro
I might not buy it if this totally legit "I saw it on 4chan" leak ends up being true.
That's fucking beyond stupid.
>>343643267
You think they would do this and piss off every fan who played 2 and 3 and make it their Shpeards was for nothing?
At this point, It'd hope for some out of the ass retconning.
Like Shepard secretly has an exact clone who was sent in ME1 on an intergalactic colonization mission. Which no-one had ever heard of.
>>343651038
Along with his waifu clone
>>343651038
Too late. He already had one.
>>343651250
That was genuinely a well-done DLC
>>343651038
That's unlikely considering the female character is the canon one in Andromeda.
For no reason at all.
>>343651250
Wait what
>>343651250
Are Citadel, Leviathan and Omega good? Never tried any of these.
Yeah more totally true leaks.
As much as ME3 was hated, even Bioware wouldn't be stupid enough to just completely retcon ME2 and 3.
They'll just do it like they said they would, the Andromeda expedition leaves sometime before the fight with the reapers and that's that. Completely ignore ME3.
>>343651315
...What? I thought the point of the female/male thing was that it was interchangeable. What is the god damn point if you make one canon and one not canon.
>>343651359
Citadel is great, there's tons of stuff to do, a bit of humor, and has a lot of character interactions. Leviathan is good. Omega is mediocre
>>343651302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZ71nnARas
>>343651359
Leviathan had some pretty cool, but short, underwater sequences.
>>343643267
>not much is known about this N7 operative
KAI LENG IS BACK BOYS WHOS EXCITED
>>343651479
Male Shepard is the canon one for the first three games.
It doesn't make much of a difference but yeah having a stated sex be canon is pretty damn stupid for a WRPG with character creation.
>>343651315
Wrong, there are two Ryders. Presumably male and female, brother and sister
>>343651571
>romancing Tali
You get what you deserve
>>343651359
Omega is meh, Leviathan is content that should have been in the game that foreshadows the ending and makes it marginally less of a clusterfuck, Citadel is dumb campy fun fit for an Holiday special episode.
>>343651479
Nobody made anything canon. Stop believing the bullshit spouted here.
>>343651335
An EVIL one.
>>343651359
omega is meh
leviathan is good
citadel is great
>>343651645
There may two characters but the female one was stated to be the "main character".
Feel free to check.
>>343643267
But this is bullshit.
They have cinfirmed that there are going to be a series if books that bridge the gap between ME3's ending and the beginning if Andromeda.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-24-mass-effect-is-getting-four-spin-off-novels-bridging-the-gap-to-andromeda
Who writes this? What the fuck am I even reading
>>343643267
>IT WAS ALL A DREAM
is even worse DESU senpai
>>343647567
>less than lightspeed
Cool so it takes them more than 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda. Which means that if the Indoctrination Theory is true, the Reapers have harvested species in another 50 cycles.
>>343651787
No, I mean that there are two protagonists and both are in every player's game. You probably just pick the male or female one.
http://pastebin.com/BiK2KhPw
>The female Ryder isn't exactly the default face. There is a bit of a twist this time around but they can't say more yet
>There are people that are against retconning ME2 and ME3
There is nothing redeemable about their writing or plot.
>>343651315
>>343651479
Canon is a literal meme. It affects nothing at all.
>>343643875
this may be a shitpost, but its an accurate shitpost
>>343643267
This would be the stupidest twist.
>>343643267
the shitstorm would be amazing to watch
>>343652285
>>343652001
Why?
I think it's a mature way to say 'listen, we fucked up'. Do you really want them to try and make sense of the three colour endings?
>>343652138
Reaper's main plotline became retarded by the second/third game, but the side stories (Krogan, Quarians, Geth) were good.
>>343651359
get leviathan and citadel, you can pass on Omega unless you just like Aria that much and want to see a female turian, but it's still pretty forgettable.
>>343652419
>and want to see a female turian
There's one in Citadel too
>>343649392
The indoctrination theory wasn't that it was all a dream, it was that the end sequence was a dream, that it was a test in Shepherd's mind to see if he'd fall to the same trap that everyone else who fights them does. The theory meant that if you picked destroy, you weren't indoctrinated, which is why you were still alive. All bioware had to do was patch in a continuation of the destroy ending and people wouldn't hate their guts. But fucking nope, they had to fag it up with the star child
>>343652393
>I think it's a mature way to say 'listen, we fucked up'
Maturity is pretending you didn't actually fuck up by taking on a fan theory and saying that theory was your plan all along?
Get fucked, Biocuck.
Who even gives a fuck about the main plot I want to get lost in the small picture.. Detective story on Omega, Arms dealing on Thessia and so forth.
>>343652393
No. I don't. I don't want everything I did in 2 to have been bullshit. I never played 3 but if I had I wouldn't have wanted that to be bullshit either.
>>343652393
No, I expect and want them to completely and utterly ignore them. I want a NEW story in the same world.
>>343643267
Why would anyone buy a Mass Effect game after the pile of shit that was 2 and 3?
>>343652598
It's the least shit of many shit options.
>>343652618
Well that's the hand they were played by terrible writers.
>>343652673
I mean, this would be the most ideal, but Mass effect as a series had part of its charm being the characters. Which would all need to be chucked out in this new game. I imagine they don't want to start it all again.
>>343652393
Just go to another galaxy and never mention the Milky Way ever again. At that point in the timeline, the only character that could be alive is Control Shepard.
>>343643267
You see, Anon, you think you're being funny, you think you're making a joke. However, there is no reason to believe your idiotic tale is even close to as idiotic as what Bioware will dream up.I'm still waiting for a GOTY of ME3 $20 or less. If it ain't comin' I ain't buyin'.
>>343643604
Same, Im surprised how ok with this i am
>>343652798
>Which would all need to be chucked out in this new game. I imagine they don't want to start it all again.
But that's exactly what they're doing. Restarting the whole series with a few familiar faces, in the form of the same races and MAYBE a few returning characters.
They switched the focus from the characters to the world.
>>343652798
>It's the least shit of many shit options.
What, your understanding of what maturity is? >Well that's the hand they were played by terrible writers.
Those same writers have shuffled the deck and are dealing out a new hand, m8.
>>343652971
Never
There still isn't even one for ME2. The DLC is still full priced as well
>>343652770
Because Millennials are trend chasers and have a short attention span. Mass Effect is hot, hot,HOTin the gaming space.garbage
>>343646067
This has happened with TOR, MGSV, Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Inquisition, Undertale, the 970 3.5gb fiasco, and now Overwatch, Battlefield 1, and plenty of other games. This board latches onto shit and blows up about it. How it's always been.
>>343653123
I know that, I suppose. It also seems to be the way EA is about all of their franchises. So I will never purchase another EA game.
Oh well.
>>343643875
Dont kid yourself, Mass Effect has too many fanboys to ever let a game flop. I may be a incredibly shitty game, but its gonna be a successful shitty game.
>>343653324
Actually, Inquisition has a version with all the DLC. They'll probably do it for the newer games, but not for the old ones
You fags sure are pathetic, look at you all trying to fit in by hating on ME2 and ME3.
They are good games, the only bad thing is the way they did ME3's ending.
Stop trying so hard to fit in, you all look pathetic.
Is this going to be another AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS"?
>>343651571
This is cringe.
>>343643267
not even Bioware is dumb enough to pull the "it was all a dream" shit and pretend the last 2 games don't exist.
I don't give a shit about the story, just make the environments cool and the levelling system actually good.
>>343646058
bioware is the king of passive aggressive insults to the players, they'll never admit that even though its 100% true
>>343649416
Underrated post, I kekd hard
>>343651817
Well, how do you write a book based on a game with multiple endings?
Honestly, just because it takes place between ME3 and Andromeda doesn't necessarily mean we'll actually know what happened with the Reapers and the battles in Milky Way. Or perhaps they will even reveal the indoctrination through the books.
Now, let's pretend Bioware aren't retards nowadays with their writing and have actually thought about what they're writing for once. Why would Humanity, the Council or whoever's behind the Andromeda project, send someone to explore and find a new home for humanity? If they were sent out prior Reapers attacking earth, would they not have been found out and obliterated? And if Andromeda is sent out after the ME3 ending, why would you need to find a new home for humanity? The reapers are supposedly defeated and there's hardly a lack of other planets to colonise in the milky way.
Now, this is all assuming that the current Bioware writers aren't complete fucking hacks and retards which sadly is more likely than it should be. It still seems weird to me that Ryder is out there to find a new home for humanity. I mean hell, how would they even get out of the galaxy with the Mass effect relays destroyed?
We might as well discuss the potential answers and possibilities here and see just how far off the mark Bioware will make it.
>>343653771
How about you wait and see instead of making shit up about something we know nothing about?
For all we know Andromeda could be set hundreds of years after ME3 and Shepard and the Reapers are long forgotten.
>>343643267
strange
i cant seem to give a fuck
>>343653771
>If they were sent out prior Reapers attacking earth, would they not have been found out and obliterated?
Why? It's probably safe to assume the reapers in dark space are not a gorrillion of them that blanked every inch of space. The chances of a random ship flying towards a non important galaxy to be found are slim to none.
Humanity probably had a shitty secret project in the form of a crappy ship to send some humans to repopulate another galaxy. They send'em off and that's that.
>>343654382
Consider that, if it's true that the ship taking the survivors to Andromeda is only just slower than light, it will take them at least 2,500,000 million years (give or take a few hundred thousand years) to reach Andromeda. This is assuming they leave from the outermost planet of the Milky Way and reach the outermost planet of Andromeda when the story begins.
>>343654680
They'll probably pull some sci-fi shit out of their ass and invent an engine that speeds up the more it travels or someshit and have them get to Andromeda in stasis in about 2000 years.
Or just say the Andromeda galaxy isn't really that far away in the ME universe.
>>343653123
there technically was one for ME2, the Ps3 version had all the DLCs included
>>343653495
ME3 had a lot of problems before the ending. The intro sequence had no build up, was a complete non-sequitur from ME2 unless you played arrival, removed 90% of neutral options and had fewer dialogue choices per coversation. Not to mention that James is just there for the player and we never find out how the hell he and Shepard met or why. The animations for running are pathetic, there are 2D sprites copy+pasted everywhere, the "take back earth" shit is so forced and overdone and just plain uninteresting. Earth had little strategic significance, and the fact that the Council went full retard and never got their shit together or admitted Shepard had been warning them for years was a lack of satisfaction and closure for the player. Cerberus going full retard despite the Illusive Man's previously displayed caution about engaging the Reaper threat is nonsensical. They should have been uneasy allies, not enemies. Legion's character also does a complete 180 from his ME2 characterization. Ashley/Kaiden are still irredeemable pieces of shit. Jack is the only character who grows up by becoming a teacher, being what she would have wanted for her younger self to be taught biotics properly.
ME3 is flat out shit. Don't get me started on weapon sound design or graphical errors. It's multiplayer was the only enjoyable thing in the end.
>>343654680
Didn't you need to discharge your Mass Core or something on planets every few light-years or something? It's probably true, unless they found an alien ship or something.
>>343654881
If I remember correctly that version is still missing the Arrival DLC
>>343654382
>How about you wait and see instead of making shit up about something we know nothing about?
I like having fun. It's a thread about potential "Leaks", if they can even be called that, so discussions about the game's story and shit is inevitable. Not sure why you would expect anything else in this thread to be honest.
>>343654502
I suppose, but >>343654680 does bring up a good point. My guess would be that they would use a wormhole of sort. Very hush hush project, possibly sponsored/done by Cerberus and with very limited use so it's possible only to send a single ship and nothing else after that.
>>343654680
>only just slower than light
Why would they go slower than light?
>>343654680
So now you know exactly how fast the ship they are on is capable of travelling?
Also, what is cryostasis?
>>343654871
>They'll probably pull some sci-fi shit
It is a sci-fi game, if it didn't have sci-fi then it wouldn't be sci-fi.
>>343655096
>I like having fun
You are posting it as though it is a fact when it isn't because no one knows jack shit about the story yet.
>>343653249
I get misty eyed when I think of the first Mass Effect and sometimes think about playing it again but then I remember what comes after that and just get sad. I'm more sad than angry at the wasted potential
>>343655113
>However, the use of mass effect fields creates static electrical charge. In starship drive cores, this charge must be grounded at regular intervals, either by touching a planet surface or interacting with a planet's geomagnetic field, to prevent the electricity discharging into the hull and causing catastrophic damage.
No planets or mass relay in the middle.
>two ryder siblings
Let me guess: the one you don't play as dies.
>>343655312
Pretty sure I shouldn't have to preface every thing I say about the story of an upcoming game that "It's not a fact", especially when I repeatedly mention that I am saying it all under the assumption that the Bioware writers aren't retarded, which is unlikely.
>>343653249
But anon, everyone born after 1985 is a millennial.
>>343655456
Not the ones born after 2000.
>>343655382
>Other sibling is another player who goes on different missions than you
Would be neat but it's Bioware, so that probably wont happen.
>>343643267
That's fucking retarded
If this is the plot Bioware is going for I might not even buy Andromeda, just pirate
Do you think we're gonna get a ton of new species? Or just like 5.
>>343653267
/v/ can predict some failed hypes...
>>343648836
>both are true
>you're a faggot
pick two
>>343652393
>mature way to say 'listen, we fucked up'.
But that's not what it is. If you admit that you have fucked up, you should just reboot the 2d and the 3rd games. You don't just go "yeah, you didn't like it, but hey, let's PRETEND that it never happened.".
>>343643267
>fanboys are still pushing the Indoctrination Theory
I don't know what's more desperate, this or the ones still looking for MGSV's Chapter 3.
>>343656930
I thought they would have dropped it by now, but all it took to remind me of their sorry existence was one thread
>>343651817
Will we get more killing with toothbrushes and eating other people's cereal for an adrenaline rush? This series went to shit long ago so they may as well continue the trend
>>343656930
The vidya equivalent of truther/birthers is the ME indoctrination theory
>>343643267
DO IT FAGGOTS NO BALLS
NO BALLS
>ME2/3 not real
>you never met Grunt
>you never help your bro Garrus to get revenge
>you never met Tali
>you never met Mordin
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>343658195
noob wtf you meet Tali in ME1.
>>343647636
Me too. Sadly it wont happen.
>>343643267
Its simple, his indoctrination begun after not destroying that human reaper.
>>343655352
>implying that there will not be some asteroids in between galaxies because none has been detected yet
>>343643267
>There's an n7 operative in pursuit of Ryder and her squad
the N7 operative is the true Ryder. Current Ryder is a clone among several that were sent out to Andromeda galaxy in order to not only more effectively explore different sectors, but get a decent psychological profile on identical copies of people alone in space for extended time periods.
>>343655118
We're talking about the Andromeda crew relative to the characters of the original Mass Effect trilogy you fucking DOLT
Holy shit fucking please read things ty
>>343649196
tfw
>>343648964
Because the only way to escape indoctrination is to
A) Be killed
B) Kill Yourself
C) Get mind raped by the Thorian (which is dead now)
>>343655352
You're forgetting that the reapers have tech to do that.
Sounds overtly fucking terrible, I like it
>the reapers implanted false memories of Shephard butt fucking Garrus and Kaiden
What did they mean by this?
>>343643267
>>The reason that Bioware refuses to comment or even acknowledge the endings of ME3 relative to how they are involved with Andromeda's story/lore is because they are actually going the Indoctrination route (Youtube "Indoctrination") but with their own twist
There is no way that will ever happen. Stopped reading there. 1/10 made me reply.
>>343659329
Each Reaper is the collective consciousness of billions — sometimes trillions — of individuals. Some will be sexual-deviant as fuck and will want to make some o'dat sweet mind porn yo
>>343643267
I dont care, I can accept a stupid start if it fixes that fucking ending.
>>343659535
>Mass Effect trilogy
>starts off amazing, turns into a steaming pile of shit
>Andromeda
>starts off a steaming pile of shit, remains a steaming pile of shit
It's the only logical outcome because Bioware
>>343643267
>>Their twist involves Shepard NOT be indoctrinated by the end of ME3 but actually at the very start of ME2.
Like when the Collectors destroy the Normandy? Or was even that something indoctrinated Shepard dreamed?
Interesting ideas, but most likely not real.
>you never will help your fish waifu to get her planet back
It hurts
It would be hilarious if this was true.
>making a game to fix the fuck ups previously made because of how bad your previous game was
>>343643267
I don't really like this. I remember seeing a theory online somewhere that seems to fit a lot better, that the story for ME2 and ME3 won't be relevant because something about the ship being sent to Andromeda after ME1. The ship was sent from the orders from Shepard, Anderson, or the Council in case the reaper threat couldn't be stopped, that's why all of the species in the galaxy are on it so they can preserve what they have, and that Shepard specifically chose Ryder to lead them
>>343661374
That's true, but apparently the ship is sent during the events of ME3, in case the Crucible couldn't do shit.
I mean, the Council was in pure denial over the Reapers up until ME3.
Bioware can just say that Andromeda trip was kept secret from Shepard. That it was conducted by some secret agency we never heard of. Thats it, or that Shepard was to busy and they didn't want to distract him from the mission. Or that Reapers atacked intergalactic ships and destroyed all of them except one that made it, but no one knew about it or left to live to tell about it.
Bioware don't need to use indoctrination. Why bother - there are thousands biodrones who will eat anything Bioware shit out. Indoctrination or not - they will buy it for the virtual relations with aliens.
>not a single ">her" post
>>343653390
The "too big to fail" scenario can work only for so long. Bioware can't shit out hot garbage forever, even the most rabid fanboys get tired of eating shit.
I hope this will be the game that breaks their back.
>>343643267
BULL
SHIT
>>343662284
Hmm?
femshep was always best shep.
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BUT NO SOURCE.
Everyone kill yourself now please
>>343648530
this
Op do you jerk to all the post here ?
is that the reason for this Bait shit desu ?
>Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 retconned entirely
Way too good to be true.
>>343643267
I would normally say this sounds so dumb that it couldn't happen. But the Bioware made the original ME3 ending and everything so.
>>343643604
I...uh, I agree actually. This is a good idea.
You people are fucking retarded they fucked up the story. There is no hidden meaning or massage. Just lazy shit writing.
>>343662705
You give them too much credit
ya soft anon
>>343662705
You understimate how easy it is to satisfy normies.
They actually liked Fallout 4.
>>343663013
People are just using it as a thread to discuss the franchise and possible ideas you autist. Of course it is fake.
Bioware is so shit now I can believe this.
>>343643267
That's hard to believe, to be honest. They would only upset their fans more, because it would mean that everyone who saved Shepard in the Destroy ending, made him control the Reapers in the Control one or shake everyone's DNA in the Symbiosis one would see their choices mean nothing once again.
Their Shepard isn't alive/a hero/a martyr, but in truth has gone mad and is the villain who forced Ryder and co. to leave their galaxy. Can you imagine the fans' reaction, especially the Tumblrinas obsessed with their ships, to something like this?
It's a VERY risky move and I doubt the current team of Mass Effect has the balls for something like that after the shitstorm of the ME3 ending. They officially said they know the fans weren't happy with that and are doing their best to offer a story and ending they can be satisfied with. With a retcon like that, they would just alienate their fanbase even more and that's the last thing they need and they know it.
That N7 operative is probably some racist guy looking for a way to go back home and refusing to stay in Andromeda.
>>343662705
>I hope this will be the game that breaks their back.
>mfw people said the same exact thing about Inquisition and that game was profitable as fuck and actually sold like hotcakes
Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it's shit or that other people didn't like it and buy it. Bioware is going nowhere and their games will keep selling well as long as they keep expanding the lore, worlds, and romances.
>>343668317
where dem sales numbers at for DA:I wite boi
>>343644649
It was an attempt by wounded fans to make sense of developer bullshit. It's a product of duress and desperation, not a well developed narrative.
>>343668317
>game was profitable as fuck and actually sold like hotcakes
HAHAHAHAHA the game doesn't even feature on the top 10 npd in the month it was released on FIVE platforms at the same time.
The multiplayer portion was give for free on Origins in a hollow attempt to spice interest up for the game.
It bombed. Hard.
And thank god for that.
>>343643267
Wouldn't be simpler if the Shepard chasing us was that "evil" clone, from the campy dlc?
>>343652393
Maybe if they actually say that then leave the milky way behind completely (ending wise).
>>343655352
me on the left
>>343643267
>ME2 retconned
>Garus is kill
>Grunt is kill
>Jack is still imprisoned
>Legion is kill
>Tali is kill
>Mordin is probably kill
N-No please no.
>>343652138
But I can fuck Garrus in 2! If they retcon ME2, it means I'm still with Kaidan.
>>343643267
>stealing the explanation the fans came up with to cover up their shitty writing
bethesda wants modders to fnish their games for free
bioware wants fans to do their writing for free
erin
>tfw Grunt is retconned
>>343643267
Yeah, no, this is bullshit.
Andromeda literally won't reference events in the previous trilogy. They will be at least 500 odd years away, and not light years, chronological years.
So we will literally never have a canon ending for the trilogy.
>>343222248
>all those negative replies to my post
>completely irrelevant
I win again. You can't scare me anymore.Installing me3 currently.
>>343670586
>>343669969
>In today's earnings report, EA reported a (Non-GAAP) profit of $806 million from net revenue of $4.32 billion for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2015, driven primarily by sales of games like Battlefield Hardline and Dragon Age: Inquisition.
>A few weeks delay in the launch of Dragon Age: Inquisition didn’t hamper the sales of the title. In fact, the time spent on improving the game-play helped the company in giving a better game experience to the players. With more than 200 hours of game-play till date, the game not only won many awards, but was one of the successful releases of the company in the fiscal 2015. The title sold roughly 3.37 million units, as of March 21.
It doesn't sound to me like it bombed.
>>343643267
>>The beginning of Andromeda essentially has Ryder and the entire Alliance fleet being chased away from the Milky Way Galaxy by the Reapers led by the corrupt Shepard
>No Shepard yuo are the reapers
fuckin
K E K
>>343672739
This. So many people falling for this bullshit is laughable. The plot is obvious. The galaxy's races send off an ark assuming the Reapers will win. The new colonists will never know what happened. Its a big red reset button.
>>343669969
they released the sales much time later than usual, that's true, but it sold a lot. the stuff on the bioware store sells a lot too, the fans went crazy for the shirts, accessories and that huge lore book they made just for the game.
>>343670586
lol the fact that they are already working on the next one says it didn't bomb at all, man.
As long as I can fuck a female turian, I'm down to buy Andromeda
>>343670586
>Origins in a hollow attempt to spice interest up for the game.
No, it was given so people would waste money on the MP. And to promote the game, as well.
>>343643604
Retconning ME1 would be fine since the story/setting was a mess in that game since they were still developing the setting, but ME2 and 3 are perfect with the exception of 3's ending.
>>343673593
You can't, she's Aria's lover. You can kiss Aria, though. But only as a female Shepard, I think.
>>343645071
The Indoctrination theory is retarded because it's shit writing.
>>343674297
>Giving gameplay hints for a game that doesn't exist yet
Shepard died 500 years ago by the time Andromeda even starts.
Wait... does his mean the Rachni Queen will finally have a meaningful impact in the game/lore?
Who am I kidding, Of course not.
>>343670586
>Far Cry 4 sold more than DAI
oh my god
>>343674351
You're north retarded if you think the previous trilogy is even going to be referenced beyond "Gee, I wonder what haopeneds to our galaxy all those decades/centuries/millennia ago....?" Depending on how broken and inconsistant they decide to make their FTL.
>Go to Andromeda
>AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS there
How mad would you be?
>>343647015
If femRyder is default does that mean we have to refer to male Ryder as boyrider
>>343674501
The person you're quoting isn't talking about Andromeda.
>>343674769
Rydude.
>>343674743
Isn't that already pretty much confirmed?
>>343674501
I mistaken it for Omega, sorry
>>343674776
The person he was talking to was.
>>343673593
I just don't understand the Andromeda route. In the first 3 games you explored weird space shit and noe you're exploring weird space shit. Nothing in the trailer screamed THIS COULD NOT EXIST IN THE MILKY WAY!
Wss this the only way they could write themselves out of Mass Effect 3's ending?
>>343649416
But Dyson Spheres are a symbol of technological advancement. It would make space trump a good guy
That has got to be the most retarded shit
>>343675018
>Writing their way out
Bingo
That is the whole point of Andromeda.
That's why anyone here believing this nonsense in the OP is full blown retarded.
>>343674297
Nah, both.
>>343673038
>>343673428
>>343673865
Good god, i know that you guys were pathetic but damn this is amazing, it's like a new whole pathetic low.
I'm pretty sure Andromeda will be home to a civilization where people all fuck with each other regardless of genre.
>>343648516
Well it does sound stupid but how else do you explain the catalyst baby being on earth and then in Shepard's dreams before you even got the crucible? I really want to believe that they wanted to put Shepard through at least some indoctrination, not necessarily full blown reaper zombie mode, but indoctrination was supposed to be this terrifyingly powerful weapon the reapers have, so Shepard casually resisting it without even knowing or the reapers not even trying to use it seems silly
>>343675837
It literally doesn't matter.
That trilogy is over.
It will never be returned to.
>>343662705
You underestimate biodrones.
>>343674730
What if reapers only fuck up the milky way but we don't know so we assume they purged the universe? I mean the story dlc dude isn't all-knowing. What if Shepard does get indoctrinated and reapers nuke everything but nobody knows in Andromeda?
>>343646171
I just want closure on the old squadmates. I want to see Shepard buried next to Garrus no homo and his wife Ashley because he didn't do interracial
>>343676184
It won't matter what happened to the milky way.
Even with reaper FTL, Milky way and Andromeda are 500 years apart, 5000 with humanity's fastest FTL
In effect, the Milky Way is no longer relevant. They never have to reference a canon ending. They never have to show what happened. Its done, its finished, its all Andromeda now. Whatever happened, it happened centuries or millennia ago.
>>343652083
But Anon the symbiosis ending is canon. You aren't afraid of race mixing with robots right? Reapers are good now
>>343676415
You won't get it.
>>343643604
And that's why this is more than likely bullshit.
Nothing but people spouting wish fulfillment.
>>343643267
>the events of ME2/ME3 are actually memory implants made by the Reapers as they try to indoctrinate him
>It was all a dream
THIS IS WORSE.
>>343649416
Hahah, funny joke, i loled my butt off!
>>343676814
Relax, its bullshit. Make up whatever fanon you want, as far as Andromeda matters its done.
For anyone who is interested and isn't triggered by this link. This is the actual real leak that was posted a few years ago. The poster is semi-famous and somewhat accurate leaker who has posted multiple surveys of different games.
So far from what little we know, it's been somewhat accurate.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1031314
>>343651417
>Ignore ME3
Yes.
>>343677419
What is the context of Curry Thunder's tweet? It honestly sounds like he is saying terrorists are right.
>>343653495
If by "ending" you mean "the tali vs legion storyline and everything that happens afterwards", sure.
>>343677419
Fuck. Twitter and facebook should be banned from existence. It is toxic to civilisation.
>>343676167
>>343676572
>>343676708
Stop doing this to me ;_;
>>343643267
>Ryder
>What's his name again meme
Are...are they aware?
>>343677419
>Throughout the game recruit 7 squad mates
>7
>Two of them are krogan who is not Wrex and some asari slut
>2 new races
>One of which is dead and one of which is your enemy until you unite against the reapers at the end
No stop
>>343657223
Corn Destroyer.
So, who will be the Big Bad?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIP73xIAPLU
the shit is now truly accurate.
>>343676415
>Shepard... he
>male Shepard... Garrus no homo
>wife Ashley
>didn't do interracial
Holy shit your post just gets worse and worse as I read it.
>>343643267
This is just stupid enough that I can see it being real.
>>343680037
Don't forget the 3 DLC characters locked on the disk!
>>343680037
You're forgetting the best part though Anon.
We come across ANOTHER Ancient Evil, called the Remnants
tfw im actually ok with this. the 4 years of denial i had to endure after ME 3 ending is ok with this.
>>343680357
>Femshep
Manshep was funnier
>Sticking your dick in something that probably has space AIDS
Anon pls
>homo for Garrus
Subjective. He's objectively the best bro but I just don't swing that way and neither does he. You know, not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but stick to fucking the ugly engineer. You got your gay romance so don't get greedy
>>343679357
Don't blame me, blame the creature wearing BioWare's skin.
>>343680037
I wonder if the krogan will remember Shepard and shed some light on him. Sure, it was long ago but he either ended the genophage or doomed all krogan to it, so that's the kind of thing People don't forget about.
Plus if the krogan are colonising, curing the genophage is probably canon.
>>343681513
The colony ship left before the events of mass effect ended, the whole point was to nbe an ark to survive the reapers. No one onboard will know anything or have any possible way of finding out.
>>343674239
...said absolutely nobody ever. Nobody that was paying attention, at any rate.
>>343681513
I sadly still follow Mass Effect franchise (I only buy them on Steam Sales years later or at a store dirt cheap) and the story is that the oldest Asari and or Krogan won't be alive to shed any light and that Shepard has become a myth from the actual name to a fairytale/bedtime story about a Shepard saving their sheep from the wolves or some nonsense like that; it was one of the ideas they were tossing around as to how to perceive our legend.
I remember a while ago about hearing of a trilogy remaster with all the games and DLC. Is that... still a thing or was it scrapped?
>>343681886
So like the terrible old man and tiny man model looking up at the deviant art sky? Fuck EA for ruining this franchise.
I don't get Mass Effects hate.
Is it moreso hatred for Modern Bioware (which I understand) and their HUGE dip in quality from their glory days (and by glory days I mean they were literally the best RPG developers around) or is it genuine hatred for ME3?
>ME1 was greats albeit divisive
>ME2 was arguably better and is widely considered as one of the better modern RPGs
>ME3 was completely divisive but while others pin the games divisive nature to its weak ending some people think other parts of the game were weak (kai leng) and it's still considered as a pretty great game otherwise, just disappointing
None of the games even remotely reached dogshit levels and Mass Effect is genuinely one of the more consistent RPG franchises to date. It's sure as shit more consistent than Final Fantasy, Witcher, Dragon Age, Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc.
I don't get it. I would even argue that great games had equally bad endings and near identical flaws as Mass Effect 3 yet they still get a pass.
Witcher 3 for example:
>Ending has the exact same Star Child Deus Ex machina moment with Ciri. Nobody knows how Ciri defeats the Wild Blood, it's literally just "Muh Elder Blood, LEL" whereas at least the Star Child explains what's going on
>TERRIBLE continuity between games. Iorveth isn't in number 3 so choosing him is pointless, romancing Triss in number 2 is pointless because Geralt still bails on her to find Yen and there are MANY more moments in Witcher 1 that have zero impact to Witcher 2 or 3
So why is Mass Effect treated more harshly? Is it because of the SJW developers that Bioware has turned in to? Because if it is then I agree but I disagree with Mass Effect being the scapegoat for your annoyance with the developers.
Mass Effect is a legit good franchise of games in a unique setting during an era when Tolkien fantasy trash has grown stale.
>>343681861
>No possible way
Unless they happen to create a Quantum Entanglement Communicator like in 2, that would work over any distance in real time.BioWare won't let them use a QEC because they don't want any in for from the old galaxy
guys
omg
check this
>>343682660
Its BioWare turning to shit.
Its 120+ hours of gameplay ending with choose a color.
Its not hard to understand.
>>343643267
Nah, they are going to completely ignore the ending to ME3.
Would the Reapers chase down the survivors of the Milky Way to another galaxy?
>>343682815
Mind blown.
>>343683072
Assuming they saw them? Yes.
Realistically, no, we aren't going to see Reapers again. Because Bioware want a reset.
That's no better then "it was all a dream" as far as big twists though.
>>343682952
>Its 120+ hours of gameplay ending with choose a color.
Not the refuse ending.
Deus Ex 1 and HR are praised for having the EXACT same type of an ending, why's that?
ME3's gameplay was only bad if you played a class that wasn't Vanguard
Prove me wrong
But I want the Perfect Immortal Machine Control Shepard make a cameo.
>>343683529
Because ME's refuse ending was written as a direct "fuck you" to the player.
>>343683529
Deus Ex and HR have more coherent themes.
Mass Effect is just a Space Opera deconstructing/reconstructing old cliches. Forced high brown themes at the end of ME3 just fall flat .
>>343643267
>retconning the 2 worst games
Based.
>>343683529
>Deus Ex 1 and HR are praised for having the EXACT same type of an ending, why's that?
Probably because they didn't have three games' worth of decisions thrown out the fucking window to the soundtrack of 'we made machines to kill everyone to stop everyone from being killed by machines' as performed by an annoying hologram of some dead kid.
>>343650540
That's because the dark matter plot was Drew's idea and he got moved to work on Swtor during ME3's development. I heard he wrote the one liked story route but I paid little attention to SWTOR.
>>343651817
I hate that shit. Deus Ex is doing it too.
>>343683918
>Deus Ex and HR have more coherent themes.
No they fucking don't, the exact premise of those games had always been choice in your actions, just like Mass Effect only for the ending to give you a big slap in the face, just like Mass Effect
The only difference was that nobody gave 2 shits about Deus Ex's story, that's why nobody cared how it ended.
>>343643267
>>Their twist involves Shepard NOT be indoctrinated by the end of ME3 but actually at the very start of ME2.
>>Shepard doesn't actually get rebuilt from Cerberus, the events of ME2/ME3 are actually memory implants made by the Reapers as they try to indoctrinate him
>>The beginning of Andromeda essentially has Ryder and the entire Alliance fleet being chased away from the Milky Way Galaxy by the Reapers led by the corrupt Shepard
This is SO fucking retarded, but I kind of expect it to happen from Bioware.
Oh god, I'm screencapping this.
>>343683529
>Type
The operative word.
Before the DLC, ME3's endings were Red Green or Blue shit goes on the relays.
The actual endings were DLC, which I'm certain EA intended to charge for.
I can't see how you don't grasp that people are salty about that. Are you sailing us on a ruse cruise?
>>343643267
my problem with this is that every time I have seen leaked plots from 4chan, they have always been spot on.
this entire thing pisses me off.
>>343684397
>The actual endings were DLC
The actual endings were never meant to be in the first place. BioWare only added them because of the massive backlash.
>>343647753
Zaeed is sadly literally goddamned dead
RIP Robin Sachs you glorious bastard
>>343684236
Deus Ex are based on transhumanism and all of that and the endings and story reflect that.
ME is a silly Space Opera that got pretentious and contrived along the way with themes too big for its own setting.
>>343684653
Don't be silly, the actual endings were supposed to be paid DLC rather than free DLC.
>>343684236
HR didn't have 3 games with tons of characters and actions with no conclusion because we were going to see the repercussions in the next game.
For Deus Ex, you saw the results of you actions in game already, so there was nothing you were being cheated out of with a button.
>>343682660
>So why is Mass Effect treated more harshly?
You're never going to find out why when you keep misrepresenting or willfully ignoring what actually happened. ME1 wasn't "great albeit divisive", it was a flawed RPG hiding behind a forgettable TPS but propped up by its cinematic presentation, it's clichéd but well structured story, complete with fulfilling if cheesy as all shit payoff and its colorful cast of characters who didn't wear on you. This made it find a comfortable niche especially since there was already a built in sci-fi audience who had been starved of geekier game content, especially on the RPG front.
2 blew the doors wide open by dumbing down the mechanics until there was no RPG left, made the shooting better if simpler and shat on everything else, especially the characters and plot which was the main thing holding up the prequel. This just so happened to occur when "lol such a nerd" culture was ramping up so the popularity it got was tremendous. So much so that anyone who'd been paying attention to the original or what was happening with Bioware and EA at the time got buried in the rubble.
Then 3 rolls around except by then EA is the worst company in america (or was well on its way there, can't be bothered to check dates really), DA2 was a "thing", the Bioware forum drama had reached critical mass and the people who bothered to stick with it from the beginning along with everyone else that had since become aware of what'd been going on were quick to point out the glaring inconsistencies again. This time, people paid attention. Add a wash of PR blunders, not the least of which the on disk DLC and unsurprisingly, a shitstorm ensues.
Did the game itself deserve it? No. If you're going by what it fucked up for the series, it did nothing that 2 hadn't done itself before. Retarded ending included. The companies envolved sure as fuck did, mind you. Also, that cunt Mac Walters. Fuck that faggot.
reminder that mass effect is a rip off and a plagiarism
>>343683595
But ME3 had the best gameplay of the series full stop.
The Catalyst and the Crucible are introduced/hinted in ME2.
Does it fix the story?
>>343683529
Deus EX's/Human Revolutions endings weren't ending off a trilogy that promised your choices would have huge impacts on the final ending.
>>343685351
There are many other things introduced/hinted at in ME2 and ignored in ME3.
That shit killing the suns for example.
>>343682660
Iorveth is a filthy elf.
Never trust an elf.
Ciri was an established character from the books and she was always OP as fuck. It's not a Deus ex machina, it's just a normal Deus.
Geralt is crazy about Yen. Triss was his rebound but he always loved Yen. You're playing as Geralt, not your OC. Your choice of waifu doesn't matter.
To be honest, people hate ME3 because it's a bad ME game. If it wasn't a part of the franchise, people would have loved it with only the ending leaving a sour note on an otherwise pleasant experience. But it followed the mass effect series. You said it yourself, nobody except for top edgelords will call me2 bad. ME3 had to follow the amazing ME2 and failed because the entire game was decent at best with the ending nullifying all the choices you've made over the three games. Of course people are mad.
>>343683529
ME3 endings, the catalsyst, the crucible and the main storyline are rejected because they don't arise naturally from the events of the story. They are the definition of bad writing.
>>343685351
Think about far up their asses the story was pull out from.
They had multiple DLC for ME2. One of the DLCs was literally dedicated to leading into ME3. And yet they never mentioned the fucking Crucible and needed it to found off screen.
>>343643267
that would be retarded, also post source
>>343643267
>giving a shit about anything other than the multiplayer mode
>it was the only redeeming factor of 3
>and it will be the only redeeming factor of andromeda
>>343643651
IT'S A PRANK BRO
Man even though the ending was so disappointing and bioware took a shit on the trilogy, I still want to replay it from start to finish.I'll just end up going femshep romancing liara though
>>343683529
>HR ending-a-tron 3000
>Praised
What bizzare universe do you come from?
NOBODY called the endings good, except maybe fucking ign. The game was good, but the ending was shit. Not to the point of completely ruining everything since you weren't attached to the characters so your decisions being thrown away didn't hurt as much.
>>343686735
It hurts a lot more now that I know saving Malik didn't do anything
>>343687527
Well, she's not some scientist close to cure cancer, leader of the Illuminati or anything that matters.
>>343687802
She matters because she'sJensen's friend
Now it turns out she's just canon dead
>>343651302
Sure but the tone did not suit the rest of ME3 at all.
Crucible is a trap, RGB endings aren't real, EC cutscenes are visions of what Shep thinks will happen, the reapers are right you can't beat them. War was lost and survivors make a run for Andromeda.
Explains the "last hope for humanity" part from the leak survey.
>>343688659
So does leaving before the end of ME3
As a side note:
THE SEX IS GOING TO BE OFF THE FUCKING WALLS. I'M GOING TO BE FUCKING SO MANY HOT THICK BITCHES TRYING TO REPOPULATE THE HUMAN RACE.
i like it. at least its creative. and a much needed ret con. fuck ME3
>>343689670
I guess if by thick you mean obese and by fucking you mean listening to their diatribes on sexism and mysogyny, then sure.
>>343643267
This is absolutely stupid and no sensible developer would ever do this. I believe the leak is legit.
>>343645727
What was the story /v/ made up for dragon age 2?
>>343650530
>Sith Jar Jar
I still want this.
>>343643267
Mass Effect has two kind of fanbase: the ones who loved ME1 (who are the minority) and the people who loved ME2. Im in the first group. I would love a retcon of "Ok! We kill your MC 10 minutes in the game, just to be revived by magi...science! 2 mins later" but it will not happen.
Not even Bioware is crazy enough to sacrifice their biggest fanbase in the name of a new saga
>>343691514
No such thing as a good Mage.
/templars/ is always right.
Make Thedas Great Again.
>>343691851but isn't that basically true
>>343691743
Why not? It's not like they were paying attention to the plot in 2 or liked what 3 did.
>>343682660
>I don't get Mass Effects hate.
because you're an underage retard newfag fuck
>>ME2 was arguably better and is widely considered as one of the better modern RPGs
kill yourself
>>343691256
It's so retarded, it can only be true.
>>343674769
Guyder
This game is doomed.
>>343691743
>the ones who loved ME1 (who are the minority)
What about the ones who preferred ME1's gameplay as well? Cus that's me.
>>343692097
Didn't even touch Inquisition, but every single mage turned out to be a blood mage / turned into an abomination in DAII so yes.
>>343692097
Kirkwall was a ancient blood magic ritual site, DAO and DAI have sensible mages and your crazy dooming all of Thedas ones, which is normal.
>>343643267
I really want this to be true.
Maybe then EA management would finally admit they're pouring money down the drain by supporting Bioware.
>>343691743
I believe ME1 is the best game in the serie but I absolutely don't want any retcon. ME2 was okay and even ME3 wasn't without some redeeming moments. There is some great stuff like story arcs of Garrus or Mordin and Krogans I don't want to be erased.
http://www.gamespresso.com/2016/07/new-mass-effect-novels-will-answer-old-questions/
>The first novel, Mass Effect: Andromeda Initiative, is being penned by Fantasy and Science Fiction writer N.K. Jemisin, author of the Inheritance trilogy.
>“The novels will act as prequel and sequels to the events in the games and will become part of the overarching Mass Effect saga. They will focus on key characters and answer the many questions fans have been asking.”
>There isn’t much info on books 2, 3 and 4 but it has been revealed that book 4 will be written by Mac Walters, writer and creative director for the Mass Effect franchise.
>>343643267
Honestly they'll probably try to pull some dumbass Warp in the West bullshit ala Daggerfall. All the endings were involved. Somehow.
I just hope we get a beach episode.
>>343644649
"Lol it was a dream" will always be retarded, always.
>>343652393
No, a mature way to say "We fucked up" would be them coming out and admitting that they raped their own lore.
>>343694156
Depends on how you do it.
aSoIaF (the books, the show doesn't seem to touch on the theme at all) has it as a running theme that dreams and prophecies are some pretty potent shit including the possibility that dreams take you to some other plane, hence why Dany saw the Red Wedding, which is thought to have been such a clusterfuck it sent ripples through reality.It's thought that Euron's figured this out, hence why he's planning a mass sacrifice of the Drowned Priests.
>>343677652
He's saying that the US deserves terrorism until they confirm to his moral beliefs.
>>343694610
Martin's world has magic, ME doesn't.
Biodrones are insufferable to any sane individual that is unfortunate enough to encounter them
>>343692116
Because it would be easier to just ignore the ending, and in that case, you can even put some fanservice to please a big portion of your old fans (they know that biodrones would eat anything as long as they pull another Citadel, but in the main game this time). Everyone is happy this way
>>343693131
Thats me as well. I love RPGs, and Mass Effect 2 drop the ball big time (even breaking the lore to bring more "action" to the game). Where is the different armor types, where is the diversity in ammo? Etc...
But we are not the majority
>>343693582
The ideal would be to not "retcon" anything. Even if I dont like 2/3 of the trilogy, I dont have the right to say "make everything a dream" because it would be unfair for the people who did. Besides, its lazy as fuck.
But the writers are in a corner, and it will be dificult to build something which such a weak foundation
>>343695180
Hey, man. I will defend Jade Empire. We need more Wuxia shit.
>>343675471
"Give me proof!"
>two anons give you proof
>" YOU GUYS ARE SO PATHETIC AND I'M STILL RIGHT"
Literally kill yourself. There are people much more deserving of the organs in your body than you.
>>343695396
We really do.
>>343695180
Post the thread or I call bullshit on that. Also, thinking your opinion is the only one that matters. Typical of a faggot, and the reason BW is in such a state, for listening to these idiots and sjw
>>343695526
They didn't give him any proof you know. They gave claims.
>>343695917
How is that not a proof:
>>343673038
It was successful for EA.
I'll always have the fond memories of ME 1 and 2
Here is best soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v9g0OHMdIs
>>343695396
jade empire 2 never
>>343696184
I won't, after I started replaying the series I realized how fucking slow and plodding everything is. Also I stil fucking despise the dialogue wheel for not showing you what you will say.
>>343696376
Name a modern RPG better than ME1/ME2
>>343683595
I dunno man, multiplayer had "Nothing Personnel, Kiddo: The Class" in multiplayerThe multiplayer today remains phenomenally fun
>>343696340
It's probably for the best
>>343688276
And the rest of ME3 was shit
>>343692220
>because you're an underage retard newfag fuck
Nice argument
>kill yourself
Outside of New Vegas, name a better one.
>>343643267
Stop with the nonsense indoctrination shit. It didnt happen
>>343686236
>not Garrus
>not at least going celibate because you're married to your career
You disgust me
>>343694610
there's a huge difference between that and casting aside huge chunks of the story claiming "by the way that didn't happen"
if the next book opens with robb waking up near the twins having had this weird dream about the war and marrying some girl he's never met, that would be bullshit.
using dreams as a running theme for prophecies/telepathy/whatever is completely separate from the "it was all just a dream" trash that anon (and OP) were referring to
>>343696557
The Witcher series.
ME1 wasn't even close to a 10/10 game, it just had a lot of potential. ME2 squandered the story potential to focus more on combat.
>>343682815
Holy shit, the Jews were behind all of it all along!
>>343696969
>hates the dialogue because you don't know what you're going to say
>likes Witcher
Woah...
Fuck off, Witcher is barely an RPG as it is and only Witcher 3 is even remotely good.
>>343697095
Liking Witcher is the equivalent to being an anarcho-capitalist fedora guy in videogames.
>>343697095
>barely an RPG
Nigger what. The mass effect series were never perfect games, 1 was a 6-7/10 at best and 2 was 5-6/10 as an RPG. Don't tell me you are one of those insufferable faggots who thinks an RPG means character creation.
>>343697369
Holy shit the Biodrones are out in force today.
>>343697369
I bet you're a literal cuck who likes Codex Alera.
>>343696969
>Witcher
>RPGs
Just like Super Mario! r-right?
>>343697451
So in what way is Witcher 3 an RPG?
>Morality is some variation of neutral because that's what the lore forces you to be
>Your build is essentially a spellsword that uses Alchemy because of the lore
>Pre set everything
It's no more of an RPG than GTA V.
>, 1 was a 6-7/10 at best and 2 was 5-6/10 as an RPG
That's better than Witcher 1 that even Witchercucks can barely stomach it enough to get past the disgusting first two acts, or Witcher 2s abomination of a combat system (they somehow made it worse than Witcher 1s) or Witcher 3 being another bloated open world cinematic adventure game.
Mass Effect 1 > Mass Effect 2 > Dogshit > Witcher 3 > Mass Effect 3 > even more dogshit > Witcher 1 > Witcher 2
>>343697713
>Being a Biodrone
Kys
>>343697713
Jesus christ I've not seen a fanboy this deluded in a long time. The mass effect series are genuinelyt above average games, but you're delusional if you think they are better than Witcher in any form.
>>343697927
>being a Slav
Literally the niggers of the Caucasian race.
>>343697923
Haha tell them bro :)
By the way do you think Bioware will let us be transgender in Andromeda?
>>343697953
Well the Witcher games are below average so they are better by your own standards.
Just look at this shit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHukmQ3Loh4
>>343644779
But then what of the Genophage Cure, Mordin, ME2 Squadmates, Javik and Vega
>>343697923
>mass effect
>morality is either SAVE THE ORPHANS or BURN THEM AS FUEL TO CATCH THE BADDIE
>combat is more management than anything, it's just a rock paper scissors system of combat>biotics>tech
>your choices mean literally nothing, to the point that they only change a number by ME3
>>343698049
>Being a Canadian
Remember anon if you kill your enemy they win.
>>343698121
Hopefully not but sadly Witcher 3 has set a trend.
>>343645727
Dinosaur Virgil was my favorite.
>>343698165
>B-but Witcher
Holy shit that inferiority complex. How do Biodrones live with themselves with Bioware cucking them for tumblr?
>>343698289
>drag queen
>tranny
Meanwhile Bioware has put a full on transsexual in Dragon Age.
>>343698165
You must be straight from /meg/. Go back to your Miranda foot worship, fag.
>>343698289
That's not even a tranny Biodrone. This is a tranny. And DAI came out before W3.
So you're wrong on two accounts.
>>343698259
>morality is either SAVE THE ORPHANS or BURN THEM AS FUEL TO CATCH THE BADDIE
Renegade isn't evil and Paragon isn't good. Try to be less of an autist next time and not use the colors as the basis.
>>combat is more management than anything, it's just a rock paper scissors system of combat>biotics>tech
Literally makes no sense.
>your choices mean literally nothing, to the point that they only change a number by ME3
They mean more than Witcher 3 did
>OH, YOU ROMANCED TRISS IN WITCHER 2? LEL, GERALT LEAVES HER TO FIND YEN ANYWAY
>OH, YOU CHOSE IORVETH? LEL, HE'S NOWHERE TO BE SEEN!
>LEL, YOU KILLED BERENGAR? LEL, DOESN'T MATTER
Even the ending is just as bad as Mass Effect 3 in its Deus Ex fuckery
>LEL, CIRI DEFEATS THE WHITE FROST BECAUSE BLOOD
>CIRI DIES IF YOU DIDN'T SNOWBALL FIGHT HER
The only reason nobody kicked up shit about Witcher 3s ending is because nobody ever gave a fuck about that games story anyway.
>>343698289
You realize of course that Bioware did it first with Krem AND fucking destroyed Qunari lore to do so? And that that guy isn't even trans? He just dresses up in woman's clothes like a trap.
Biocucks everyone.
>>343698441
>Control
>Reapers Gone
Mass Effect 3s ending literally had the exact same powerpoint tier trash that Witcher 3 had? Even the Deus Ex Machina shit was near identical in both games?
Pic related.
>all these Witcherfags defending muh True Realistic RPG™
>everything else is a biodrone
>>343675018
>Wss this the only way they could write themselves out of Mass Effect 3's ending?
Yes. That's the reason. The ending was so bad that the only way they can go on with the series is to reboot it.
Holy shit, so this entire thread has been Witchercucks shitposting yet another fanbase/game series?
Is there a single fanbase you cucks DON'T try to kick up shit against?
It begins...
>>343698624
>paragon isn't good
Are you fucking stupid, everything PAragon is is about being a boy scout to a rediculous degree and being so morally righteous that the universe bends to your ideals. Renegade is usually being a dickhead for no reason, sure there's no "KILL THE PUPPY FOR FUN" option but it;s just being an asshat. Then in ME2 being an asshat turned you into an evil cyborg.
>those cherrypicked results standing up to literally every choice in mass effect being rendered pointless
>then not understanding witcher lore and pretending the two endings were equivalent
Come up for air, you're drowning in the brand loyalty.
>>343698624
>They mean more than Witcher 3 did
I got three completely different epilogues. You got three colors Biocuck.
>>343671763
you'll have new gay meme characters to romance in this game 100% anon
>>343698895
>biodrones start circlejerking and calling their game the best of all time
>someone in the thread disagrees
>IT'S THOSE DAMN WITCHER FANS TARGETING US
I see Biodrones are still sensitive after Witcher 2 assraped them.
>>343650116
what if indoctrination is always happening, all the time, because the player is a reaper influenting Sheaprd choices, if you think about it, Shepard is already a puppet of our own, mon.
You are the repeaer, and this is whyy shepard does not make concious choices
>A reaper decided that shepard should smack that reporter bitch
>there are people here who are so new they don't remember the shitfest over the ME3 ending, and are blaming this all on some other shitty RPG game
I'm really finding it hard to find a reason why anybody keeps coming here. What a truly vile collection of underage malcontent.
>>343698895
Yes because Biodrones are well known to never shill their shit.
>>343698895
Hey fuck off Biodrone. Your kind has never been welcome here you tumblr shit.
>>343698624
You are a retarded cucklord biosdrone, ME always pushes you toward paragon or renegade. Going half and half literally robs you of the best ending.
>>343698790
>T-they're the exact same
Must've missed the part where a ghost child came out of a magical device Geralt spent the entire game building and offered him three colors.
>>343698441
Oddly enough Shepard can live in red ending if you play your cards right.
>>343699006
>Are you fucking stupid, everything PAragon is is about being a boy scout to a rediculous degree and being so morally righteous that the universe bends to your ideals
So what's good about choosing to side with the Geth/Quarian.
What's good about choosing to save Kaiden or Ashley?
Go on, i'll wait.
>those cherrypicked results standing up to literally every choice in mass effect being rendered pointless
Oh, I could go on senpai.
>Romancing Shani in Witcher 1 has zero effect in Witcher 2 and even Witcher 3
>Giving Alvin to Shani has zero effect to Witcher 2 or Witcher 3
Whereas having your entire squad die at the end of Mass Effect 2 effectively cuts you out of entire side quests in Mass Effect 3.
Your games a shit anon.
>>343699195
>Witcher 2 assraped them
>lower metacritic than Fallout 4
I told y'all witcherfags are alt-right/ancap fedora shills.
>>343699425
>>343699450
>>343699636
>geth/quarian
The paragon option was saving them both
>Kaiden/Ashley
Neither were paragon or renegade
>cuts you out from sidequests
No, they just make the sidequests star a differently named clone. Invariably.
>>343698624
>Renegade isn't evil and Paragon isn't good. Try to be less of an autist next time and not use the colors as the basis.
Except Bioware treated it exactly like that. Stop chocking on their cock you fucking corporate apologist. None of the paragon decisions ever backfired (Wrex, Rachni, etc) whereas all the Renegade (Collector Base) did.
Christ even the BSN admits they fucked up you're a whole new level of shill.
>>343699590
>Must've missed the part where a ghost child came out of a magical devic
Ciri.
Ghost Child = Deus Ex Machina that defeats Reapers
Ciri = Deus Ex machina that defeats White Frost
Only difference is that the Ghost child ironically explains how the reapers are defeated whereas you get nothing of the sort in Witcher 3.
>>343699748
>i'll shitpost more
>that'll prove DA2 wasn't destroyed by Witcher 2
Sorry about the intense dicking
>>343699778
>Why are you insulting tumblr you fucking bigot
Fuck off to your safe space Biodrone.
>>343699804
>The paragon option was saving them both
It wasn't a paragon option, you had to have made a specific choice in ME2 to get that option (which ironically debunks your claim that none of the choices mattered in itself).
Paragon option was listed as saving the Quarian, it was the blue option.
>Neither were paragon or renegade
I thought everything is Paragon/Renegade?
>No, they just make the sidequests star a differently named clone. Invariably.
Give me an example in ME3.
I don't get it, why is CDPR liked so much on /v/?
>>343699870
>Ciri is a deus ex machina out of nowhere
Boy someone doesn't know jack shit about the lore of the games he purportedly played.
The citadel kid was literally a deus ex machina, a thing that was never foreshadowed or referenced that simply swooped in at the last second and made monumental things happen.
You are delusional.
>>343699870
>That incredible strech of logic
>Only difference is that the Ghost child ironically explains how the reapers are defeated
Oh really? It explains how the Crucible works? How Synthesis works? I don't think so Biodrone.
>>343699860
>Except Bioware treated it exactly like that. Stop chocking on their cock you fucking corporate apologist. None of the paragon decisions ever backfired (Wrex, Rachni, etc) whereas all the Renegade (Collector Base) did.
Actually, I think blowing up the Heretic Base (a Renegade choice) actually helps you make peace between geth and quarians in ME3. And the Collector Base choice is just stupid no matter what, because there's no way to keep the base and just not give it to TIM, which should be the real Paragon choice.
>>343699996
>everything is paragon/renegade
I never even claimed that but okay. Most of the choices ARE Blue/red be a boy scout or a dickhead.
>give me an example
Not-Grunt
Not-Mordin
Not-Tali
>>343700108
I don't think anybody argues that Bioware > CDPR in terms of all time achievements but current Bioware is definitely looking worse than CDPR.
We'll see how Andromeda turns out tho.
>>343700108
>W-why don't people like my homosexual simulators?
>>343700219
>2 choices that mean nothing because Bioware reduced everything to EMS
Woah... So this... Is the power... Of Mass Effect 3...
>>343699778
>alt-right/ancap
these are some hot new buzzwords I (nor you) have any idea of the meaning to, but i'm not sure what the fuck they have to do with the gb2[place] meme which has been here since 05-06
>>343700108
Such a shame about their current showings then eh?
And you're delusional if you don't think the more modern bioware scores aren't massively inflated by EA money. Dragon Age wasn't even very good, and nobody except the most hardcore biodrones can call Mass Effect anything but a flawed gem with a lot of promise that was later squandered.
>>343643267
>Their twist involves Shepard NOT be indoctrinated by the end of ME3 but actually at the very start of ME2.
Pfft. Have some real courage, Bioware.
>>343700108
>all those GOAT games on Biowares side
Where did it all go wrong bros?
>>343700318
It'll be shit just like DAI was, since they're using DAI as a copy.
>Remnants are Rehashed Protheans
>Khet are Collectors
>Its going to be a parallel to the rapeugee crisis
>SJW pandering with Ryder
>>343700660
Dragon Age 2/Mass Effect 2.
>>343700660
When EA bought them but DA2 was the beginning of the decline. With the doctors gone there's zero hope left. Walters is in fucking charge now.
>>343643267
Nice source faggot.
>>343643267
>It was all a dream
I didn't know it was possible to make the endings of ME3 more infuriating, but by god Bioware is going to try
>>343700590
Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age 1 are all legitimately good games tho. Deal with it faggot.
>>343700660
Dragon Age
I'm not sure what it was about the game (I liked it, it was genuinely a decent throwback) but people i'd never even seen talk about RPGs hopped onto that train. Going mass market is exactly the type of thing that causes shareholders to start thinking about going for a more cinematic feel, which is just code for DELET THIS GAMEPLAY. Even remembering DA2 makes me wonder how this was allowed to continue.
>>343700660
>What if we put the gay in gayming
Fucking Gaider least that faggot is gone now. Weekes is a better writer but a bigger SJW cuck.
>>343700761
Mass Effect 2 > Mass Effect 1
>>343700879
>ME1
Good concept, had a lot of promise, the game itself wasn't all that great. A flawed gem
>DA1
More solid than ME1 overall but had some fucking awful sections and terrible balancing. Still a great RPG.
>ME2
A an above average shooter. Notice, not an above average RPG. An above average shooter.
>>343643267
Bioware is so fucking retarded that I could believe this. Now all we need is tranny Ryder. Also I've heard that it's going to be a parallel to the refugee crisis with humans being the Mudslimes, so it'll be all about being a good goy.
>>343701106
In combat? Yes. In anything else? You're joking.
>>343701106
why are you comparing a shooter to an rpg
>>343701126
>Cut out the skills
>Auto-dialogue
>Gun restrictions
>Ammo
God so many of ME3's problems can be traced to 2.
>>343701106
This is an accurate statement.
>>343701237
>>343701254
Both games were shit by RPG standards. Both were babby tier RPGs, like every modern RPG that isn't named New Vegas.
>>343701106
But ME1 is the only RPG in the series. 2 and 3 are GoW in space with waifus which is why the BSN is full of degenerates.
>>343701416
New Vegas was a really good RPG but it's hardly the only good RPG recently.
>>343701416
ME1 was clunky but it was still an RPG. 2 was a "cinematic" shooter like UC4 or Bioshock Infinite.
>>343701416
>Both games were shit by RPG standards.
No need to move the goalposts la raza, we're talking about the game you preferred to the other being so simplified it's practically from another genre.
>like every modern RPG that isn't named New Vegas.
>w-well it looks like people noticed I was false flagging earlier with CDPR shit, better switch it up
I can only imagine what your parents must think when you waddle from your room for a soda.
So people got mad that their choices didn't matter so Bioware's solution was to make everything else not matter too since it literally didn't even happen?
Yeah that's a great way to win back the fans.
>One of peoples biggest problems with ME3 was the fact that they completely made every single choice you made throughout all three games completely irreverent by the ending
>If this is true, they address this by saying LITERALLY NONE OF IT HAPPENED LOL SO YOU CANT GET MAD AT US
If this happens, I will lose all hope in anything that is ever created ever again.
>>343701416
>B-both g-games were s-shit s-so its o-ok to l-like ME2
Kill yourself. You are the cancer which killed ME.
>>343701762
Bioware apparently has a design principle that choices can never have bad outcomes.
What do you expect from retards raised on participation trophies?
>>343701126
ME1 was pretty shitty in the context of an RPG. It made more sense to me when they changed it up.
>>343692097
Merrill and Bethany were aight.
>>343643267
>they're going the indoctrination route
Ha do you really think you can fool us with that stupid shit twice?
>>343701925
>Yeah I like it when devs get rid of things that make me think :)
How about fucking improving the skill system, inventory, and Mako instead of just giving up you fucking corporate cocksucker?
Why do people pretend that ME1 was a New Vegas level RPG? It's literally the same thing as ME2 and 3 except there is more loot, which you sell 90% of.
>>343702059
because RPG and shooter don't mix. It always ends up with every enemy being enormous bullet sponges, because if they die fast then your skils are meaningless.
ME2 is a good TPS with RPG elements
ME1 is a clunky RPG with shooter elements
I'll take a good game over a clunky mess.
>>343701947
You must be fucking joking
>>343701785
Multiple branching story paths based on player choice is retarded and needs to stop. It only ever leads to developers shooting themselves in the foot. They set themselves up for all these different endings and shit, and then they realized they don't have the resource to create a bunch of separate content that only certain players will see.
I'd much rather they spend their time and effort working on a linear story that's actually good, rather than a branching story that's inevitably a giant let-down.
>>343702059
No need to get all antsy and spill all that Mountain Dew all over your keyboard friend.
>>343701947
Does this look alright to you?
>>343702459
but then everyone just ends up calling it a movie and complains about lack of choice.
>>343702459
They should just keep the branching choices within a single game. Witcher 3 did this pretty well with your actions actually having repercussions and different approaches having fairly radically different outcomes for each quest.
>>343702504
No need to get triggered at your place of employment getting criticized either.
>>343702459
Or they could just decide they don't need voice acting, thus dramatically reducing the amount of resources they need and enabling them to add tons of branching content, but that will never happen in a big budget AAA game.
>>343702595
>Bringing it back to W3 so you can go back to shitposting
Nice try faggot. Too hard to defend Bioware?
>>343701494
>>343701551
>>343701654
>>343701813
It's literally the only true RPG that has released recently.
Not even him but ME3, Witcher 3, Fallout 4 are all Adventure games with RPG elements.
>>343701106
As a complete package, yes.
Considering solely the RPG elements, ME1 > ME2.
>>343702609
Being this upset over an opinion about a videogame is unnecessary. You should get some fresh air.
>>343702726
I'm not that guy. It's a legitimate comparison, faggot. Games shouldn't promise a radically branching story through multiple games, they won't be able to ever deliver. You should have your story branch and come back together at the end if you are going to make a sequel be directly impacted.
>>343702804
>Witcher 3
But anon, it's just as much of an RPG because you play the role of Geralt!
ME2 is unironically one of my favourite games ever, am I a pleb?
>>343700172
How exactly is a rainbow made?
How exactly does a sun set?
How exactly does a posi-trac rear-end on a Plymouth work?
It just does.
>>343702804
>ME3
Shooter with RPG elements
>Witcher 3
Open world RPG
>Fallout 4
Abortion with various genre elements jammed awkwardly into the flesh
>>343702908
>Games shouldn't promise a radically branching story through multiple games, they won't be able to ever deliver.
They might be able to deliver if they actually plan things out in advance, but they made up Mass Effect as they went along.
Or if they made a bold move and decided to sacrifice voice acting for the sake of more story and branching paths.
>>343703049
>it just werks for such an important story element in a goddamn sci-fi game
Also, in that order
Light refracting off of water droplets in the air
Rotation of the Earth
I don't know what this is
>>343703036
>you spend most of the game gathering the most lethal team in the galaxy
>almost everyone fucks off when it's time to fight the Reapers
Instead we get Slab McBenchpress, Blue Mary Sue, waifu bot and day 1 DLC.
>>343703170
Developers couldn't allocate the budget to make a lot of content that only some players will ever see.
>>343703049
>"It just works"
Good God, the Crucible was designed by Todd Howard! No wonder it's too buggy to discriminate between Reapers and other synthetics, and it causes the galactic equivalent of a CTD!
>>343703141
>ME3
Shooter with RPG elements
>Witcher 3
Spellsword with RPG elements
>Fallout 4
Post Apoc open world with RPG elements
I don't see how anybody can imply that Witcher 3 is more of an RPG than FO4/ME3.
>>343702571
>everyone
Just /v/.
>>343702595
I was losing my shit over how choices in W2 would carry over to W3, only to find out that Iorveth never shows up, Henselt is dead regardless, and I don't know what the fuck happened with Dethmold. Still haven't played Witcher 3, but it seems like CDPR were trying to set themselves up not to have a bunch of dangling "what-ifs" by just cutting those plot-lines loose as soon as possible. Still kind of a middle-finger to people who chose Iorveth, though.
>>343703401
Most of that budget would be for voice acting. Remove that problem and maybe you've got a chance.
>>343703463
>spellsword
That's a character, not a genre.
>post apoc open world
That's a setting
You're bad at this.
>>343703463
What's your definition of an RPG?
>>343703480
>choosing Iorveth
>>343703627
Ok
>ME3
Shooter with RPG elements
>Witcher 3
Sword game with RPG elements
>Fallout 4
Sandbox game with RPG elements.
>>343703567
>animation
>questline writing, rewards, models, settings, etc
>endings grow exponentially through each game
>>343674239
2 is where everything went wrong
2 is ok on its own but ME1 was the most cohesive and solid game they made
a actual ME2 would be nice at this point that was more like 1 but with much more openness and budget
>>343703698
A game that has at least one of these two categories
>Morality system ranging from Evil to Neutral to lawful (and everything in between)
AND(or)
>Class system
I have yet to encounter a single RPG game that didn't have at least one of those two principles.
JRPGs not included because those are their own genre of games.
>>343703776
>sword game
Come on.
>sandbox
That's not even true. You don't know what a sandbox game is. Interactive Buddy was a sandbox game.
>>343703959
>ME1
>more solid than Baldur's Gate 1 & 2
>>343700108
Was the Biodrone that made this the only one smart enough to use the fact that BW never had a big budget? Even with EA they don't receive much.
>>343703961
Your definition is wrong. I don't know how to break it to you, but you are operating on elements that CAN BE present, not elements that have to be present.
>>343704081
of the ME games you fucktard
>>343704039
>Come on.
What?
>That's not even true. You don't know what a sandbox game is. Interactive Buddy was a sandbox game.
Sandbox is essentially something that gives you freedom to do how you choose to a certain extent. In FO4 you can build your settlements, kill pretty much most of the characters etc.
It's definitely a sandbox, maybe a watered down sandbox but still a sandbox nonetheless.
>>343704129
Ok, name me a single established RPG game that didn't have at least one of those features.
Baldur's Gate
Planescape
Vampire: Bloodlines
Mass Effect
KOTOR
Neverwinter Nights
Fallout 1, 2
Elder Scrolls
Everyone of those games had at the very least, ONE of those principles. The RPG definition you likely hold is "well, I role play as the main character!", a definition that allows every single character based game (Super Mario, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Jak & Daxter, Crash Bandicoot etc) known to man to be an RPG.Before you list Deus Ex 1, it's not an RPG.
>>343704205
It has sandbox elements, it's genre is definitewly noto sandbox first and foremost. I don't even know what genre Fallout 4 is to be honest, I want to call it a shooter but it's more an exploration game with shitty exploration.
>>343703297
Life's a garden
Dig it
>>343704131
So fucking say that you fucktard
>>343702506
>>343702406
CDPR copying BioWare one more time!
>>343704473
>if I throw out his counter example that means it doesn't count
Fallout 1 doesn't even have morality, it has settlement reputation.
>>343704473
>class system makes an RPG
So fucking Call of Duty is an RPG
>morality makes an RPG
So Metro is an RPG
>>343702406
Dragon age 2 was the only game I've never romanced anyone because everyone was absolute shit except that cool dwarf
>>343705080
DA2 was made for you to lust after your sibling.
>>343704642
>SEE GUYS THEY'RE JUST AS BAD AS BIOWARE PLEASE STOP MAKING FUN OF BIOWARE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>343705668
You people, both of you, are so predictable. Can't even endure a little tease.
>>343705348
too bad bioware wasn't progressive enough to let you bone your sister
>>343706204
Or the DELICIOUS old christmas cake in DA:O,. Fuck Morrigan, I want the motherly healer lady who looks 30 at worst.
