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They actually killed him! The absolute madmenPost best moments
>>343623332
But you could... y'know... buy the game. It'll play a legit cart
I posted this for COMPLEX MOTIVES.
>>343623343
The Boy and the Ring
>>343623709
First fragment I did. Injected and saw Eric's backstory. Knew I was in for a ride.
>>343623865
there was actually some anon complaining about that plot being wasted and yet i loved it because it tied in perfect into the "life is unfair" theme.
it was impossible forcarlos to know akane and junpei were still in the pods. at least theyretained their memoriesin the end.
So what happened during the panel yesterday? Just the 999 VA thing and a bunch of question dodging?
>Any time Eric is talking about his shitty backstory
>You have to look at that stupid fucking table or that icecream store
>While the worst music in the series plays
>Can't click spam through it have to listen.
I hate it every fucking time. Second only to door opening scenes in VLR
>>343626326
You can fast forward never before read stuff if you checked the box in the options.
>>343626503
Didn't want to risk missing good shit with an accidental click
>That empty feeling when the game is over.
How long did it take you guys? 21 hours here
>>343627440
22, but I got stuck for a while with both the executions and the name choice with Eric.
It was kinda sad when I realized just how quickly I beat the entire game.
I'm still disappointed thatPhi being Diana and Sigma's childwas true. I would have much preferredSigma and Phi ending up together. Their chemistry was too good
>>343627563
I got stuck with the executions too. In all 3 betrayals for the first time I had Q team die. Even when Q team did the betraying
Coming into this game I didn't think I'd enjoy not playing as Sigma or Junpei but I enjoyed both Carlos and Diana. Q team can get fucked though. It was always a chore to play with them. Eric a shit. A SHIT.
>>343623343
>Start to play zero escape 999
>Shortly find out I can only unlock the true ending by doing certain set path, beating the game once, then doing a different path only after that
Man, I hate the "true ending only unlocks after your first playthrough"
Are the other games in this series different?
>>343627873
Maybe if you didn't play VNs based around time travel and multiple timelines you wouldn't need to play the game multiple times
>>343627873
They're different enough.
Still not sure how I feel aboutmindhacking. Like, I get it, he wanted to make Blick Winkel a character of his own this time, but it just felt so sudden, like there was hardly any buildup to it.
>>343627873
>playing for the true end
>not seeking out every ending
People don't actually do this, right? Just play a VN for one route and drop it?
>>343627873
You don't have to redo things you've seen already much in the other two and instead you have to do lots of paths to unlock the true end.Finish 999 first though, because it gives a justified story reason for it in all games
>>343628024
What are you on about? Almost every D team route mentionsnot knowing why buttons were pressed. Even Carlos says this in the contamination room
>>343627598
I was disappointed too, I was hoping thatPhi and Diana would end up being sisters or something, explaining the hair color
>>343628010
>>343627941
Ok, I'll probably finished this one though still.
>just got to the part where ace puts himself to sleep to get left behind
>Shortly after passing through the door it dawned on me that 1+2+9=12=3
I don't know what this means but it can't be good.
>>343628214
The second play through is easier because you can skip all read dialogue.
>>343624790
More or less
>So what happened to Kyle?
>Good question, who can say?
YOU CAN MOTHERFUCKER, IT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU
>>343628050
If there is a true route, that's the only one that matters and is most of the time the most well written with the best climax.
>>343628685
Sub ending was good. Safe ending was good.
Axe ending was trash.
>>343628685
wrong
if this is how you read visual novels plz stop, you are missing out on half the story
I just beat the game.
I don't know what I think about this.
I guess Uchi did deliver on his promises. Everything I can think of is explained. There's no loose ends.
But what did you guys think? Live up to expectations? Not good enough? Better than the previous games?
>>343628685
Yeah, but the safe ending was probably my favourite in 999
>>343628829
Probably my least favorite, but that isn't saying much as they're all great. I don't know why people expected every single thing answered, because what series fully does that? I guess it speaks to the rabid fanbase; it's a double edged sword.
Fave twist was the wards. It was obvious as fuck, but I didn't realize until it happened and it caused me to scream 'Oh, shit, oh, fuck' repeatedly at my screen
The only thing that is missing in ZTD is a final escape room/puzzle.
Also, I would love to see Carlos back in a new game.
>>343628829
There's a lot of things that Uchi promised that wasn't in the game. Off the top of my head, one of the big one sis that Kyle is nowhere to be seen and not even mentioned in the game, despite the fact that VLR's ending had Akane mention that Kyle had a "very important role" to play in it. When fans asked Uchikoshi about this yesterday he just laughed and brushed them off.
Still hoping he'll give us actual answers in his usual post-game Q&A/FAQ.
>>343628753
>>343628931
Safe is necesary for the true ending though. Sub is good, but the rest are shit.
>>343628753
>>343629209
Axe ending is good too faggots. Only the knife ending is underwhelming as hell
>>343627440
what.? im 21 hours now and i still got like 5-7(?) fragments locked.
>>343629305
3 fragments arethe exact same eventand the other 2-4 could be non puzzles.
>>343629154
Good point, I realized there are quite a few unanswered questions after posting. I wonder if Uchikoshi didn't explain those because of time/budget constraints or because he didn't want to or for another reason? Here's to hoping he'll explain in that post-game FAQ.
Did anyone get the ZTD watch? Is it any good?
>>343629081
The sudoku in 999 was by far the highlight of the game, I don't know why Uchi stopped putting gameplay in the true ends
>>343629638
No one has got it at the moment as far as I know since Amazon fucking up the transport.
Last time I heard they will send the watch somewhere on the second week of July or something.
Has anyone got the screenshot ofseanasking if he should take his clothes off?
>>343629758
Really? I've seen that shit up on Ebay already
>>343629805
The watches were sold at anime expo for $50
>>343629948
Shame there wasn't one around here. I'm not paying $100+ for a watch
>>343629948
Will they be selling them online anywhere or am I fucked.
>>343630062
You can always buy online for inflated prices
I'm guessing others have asked this before, but is there nothing left after the Payoff 2 ending? It was thoroughly disappointing.
>>343630062
From akays dan twitter, he said aksys would eventually sell the watch on its own and rerelease previous watches for sale
So I just got this for the vita. First time playing a zero escape game.
Am I fucked story wise or idiot good stand alone?
Might buy the rest regardless
>>343630184
Files
>>343630210
play the other games first
>>343623709
I'm confused by the rad6 explanation. What's this about genetics?
>pick a random fragment section
>ends up being trash disposal room with sigma and dianna
>solve the puzzle
>at the end decision game asks for a password
>i don't know shit so i assume i need to do other fragments or something
>go to team select area and all the fragments gone besides the trash room one
What do? Man i fucking hate the whole system and UI compared to VLR.
>>343624790
Anybody know if Uchi will appear again in the next Aksys panel? I want to plan ahead.
>>343630470
Did you see all the executions?
>>343630470
Check the global flowchart for (!)s
>>343630250
Thanks. It didn't occur to me to check the files. Still disappointing not to get a proper epilogue other than in text.
>>343630630
What'd you mean? All i saw was Team Q executed and another situation with all teams saved.
Other members died due to something else but only had Team Q actually executed.
>>343630667
I can't hop in to other parts as they're all locked on the global chart.
>>343630905
You need to see all the execution scenes.
Anyone else tried to blame it on Gab?
>>343630905
You need to see all team executions, jump to where the vote occurs, vote and do this for the two teams... Obviously vote for C team and D team twice to get it
>>343630981
Then how does a nigga go back.
>>343631023
Who did it in that timeline anyway?
>>343631132
Go back to the parts where you push the button and just pick the opposite of what the note says for the different teams again.
On the global flowchart, there are death symbols just above the main pile of branches, it should show all the ones you're missing.
>>343623343
You know Delta reminded me of a big internet troll.
Fucking mindhacks other people into killing himself like the one where he influenced Carlos to kill Q team.
Also at the end he's like
>Hahaha, what're you gonna do? I'm behind 7 timelines you can never call the cops on me!
I just fucking love his troll character.
>>343630981
>>343631109
Oh don't worry about it, found out all i had to do was press O in the decision situation and all the fragments came back. I usually exit in the middle of the decision.
>>343631334
You should know that... It starts with a D and its a greek letter
While playing 999 I always felt like there was a single timeline and the other braches were what ifs just there to aquire knowledge allowing you to go back and do the right choice in the primary timeline thus avoiding those bad endings from happening
Kinda sad now that there are multiple timelines where everyone is dead, it makes create a "perfect ending" world kinda pointless
>>343631862
because that's what happened
in 999 there's only one timeline
>>343631862
That actually was the case in 999.
Child Akane was looking into the future through junpei's eyes using MIND HACK to make him choose things searching for the perfect timeline in which he solves the sudoku puzzle so that she can save herself.
Only in VLR when Sigma and Phi shifted did they bother having multiple timelines.
For all intents and purposes 999 was just akane brain storming and looking into the future for the perfect combination just so she could survive.
What if Yoko Taro and Uchikoshi teamed up to develop Nier 3?
I really wished eric died and mira got what was coming to her.
>>343631407
>>343631434
Yeah my bad I forgot that.
>>343632496
With the multiple possibility games are the results fixed for everyone or random?For the gun my first shot was a blankFor the poison the antidote was ADice was a failure
>>343632618
Yep to all 3.
>>343631346
I like to think Delta really was a senile old man and Gab was the true mastermind. Gab, leader of FtS, used alien technology to go back in time and experience all the timelines. He shifts into the force-stop timeline and the mass amount of information brought through the morphogenetic field somehow leaks into Deltas senile old brain and kickstarts his disabled body into moving around again. He starts yelling at everyone about his complex motives and mind hacks and kills Gab, saving the day.
>>343632618
It's random.I got the dice on my third try, how about everyone else?
How many events are actually dictated by RNG?
>>343632776
Everyone has it on the third try.
The dialogue even reveals that. Akane saying that getting it on the third throw is still miraculous.
>>343632618
My first shot was a blank too
My first antidote was E or something like that. The solution also changed when I went back to get the bad ending.
I got the dice roll on my third try
>>343631926
>>343632040
I see, that does make sense
>>343632776
That happens anyway.
>>343632835
That's what I figured, but it's not like Akane was supposed to know
>>343632840
How about the monty hall choice?
>>343632817
I want to say none are RNG but I could be wrong. The coin toss is absolutely not RNG. This is shown when Akane explicity states that getting all 1s after 3 tosses isn't that impressive. Unless somebody in this thread says they took more than 3 tosses then it wasn't RNG.
As for the gun scene; I'm pretty sure I saw all 3 different scenes in a row with no scene repeated. The two bad outcomes and then the good outcome.
>>343632985
I am certain that switching is always the correct answer since that's the entire premise of the Monty Hall problem
>>343632817
The gun was a 50/50 chance
The mask was 90/10
The dice were scripted
Don't think there were any other RNG elements
>>343632985
Oh shit. I just remembered that the lockers decision might have been RNG. The numbers were different each time AND when I picked same locker twice, it was wrong the second time. Which makes that achievement "figured out the monty hall problem!" pretty stupid considering it's luck based.
>>343633057
The coin?
>>343633052
Nope the text in the game said that you still has a small chance to get it wrong by not switching.
>>343633057
The poison repeatedly changes. My first one had no tongues go numb so it was obviously A which was lackluster as fuck.
>>343633149
That was also my first time it was A because nobody was numb
>>343632618
I really think there were NO random sections in the game.
>>343633057
The antidote decision is randomly generated.
My first one has everyone feeling numb on their tongue. While, the second one has none. I saw someone playing that two has theirs feeling numb while one doesn't.
>>343633110
Blue is always the correct answer isn't it? I got that on the first go which made for a disappointing trip to the credits
>>343633110
I think your first choice is always the correct one
>>343633097
>figured out the monty hall problem
>luck based
If you knew how the problem worked you would know you had a 90% chance of opening the right locker by switching
>>343633249
No I picked red and it was the correct answer the first time.
I think it just becomes what your very first choice was.
>>343629074
>it caused me to scream 'Oh, shit, oh, fuck' repeatedly at my screen
You should become a youtuber
>>343633326
I did it a third time and the side changed
My biggest gripe with any ending is the lead up to the VLR based one whereyou're setting up the timer. Now you think yeah set that shit to 30-60 seconds and run and you'll be safe. For no fucking reason at all they set that shit to 5 fucking minutes. Then when they get all the way to the other end of the ward Phi says they have 4 mins 20 seconds left. What the fuck. No one could overestimate the distance of the ward that much. You'd be fucking blocks away with a 5 min timer.
>>343633260
Thanks for explaining how it works so that I and others might know. Oh wait, you didn't. With my basic math and logic skills, I see it as 10% chance at first and then 50% chance with 2 lockers left.
>>343633249
The game is rigged.
You always get it right the first time no matter what you pickso the casts can SHIFT to that part later on.
>>343633217
My first was Junpei and carlos, and then I messed up on the second one because I didn't know it switched then the third was Akane and Junpei.
So fromDelta'spoint of view, he grows up raised by researchers, eventually meets someone who he learns the future from(Possibly K and thats why Akane said he was important? The "Truth" Akane learned at the Free the Soul rally could have ade her know they needed to get K back to the point where he would trigger Delta's plans)
So he works his ass off building a cult, and the Dcom Facility is a giant black box. This black box is an enclosed environment that creates timelines to1. Support his own birth 2.Unleash radical-6, saving the world from extinction and enabling the time SHIFTers to come back from the future 3.Create a known timeline where the terrorist is most likely stopped.
Now why does he give a shit about confirming a timeline where the terrorist i caught if he knows there are infinite timelines?He can't SHIFT and live through those good timelines, however he can download info from peoples brains and essentially "become" the Delta the others knew. This ties in with the whole "Is it the conciousness or memories that make the man?
>>343633446
Fuck that noice. I wouldn't take any chances too
grab all the fucking furniture and heavy items
build a fucking fort at the complete other side of the facility and then set the timer at 5 minutes.
>>343633498
>With my grade school math and logic skills, I see it as 10% chance at first and then 50% chance with 2 lockers left.
FTFY
>>343633498
When you first pick you have a 90% chance of getting it wrong
When Zero opens up 8 lockers that are guaranteed to be empty you are left with 1 final locker: If at first you got it wrong (90%) then switching gets you the mask, but if you got it right first time (10%) then switching will make you lose.
>>343633658
>still no explanation
You're talking about yourself, right?
+1 def
>>343633057
What about the puzzle rooms? I could swear people got different numbers in alien algebra.
Considering they had Delta go all the way back to 1904, I'm surprised the series never went back to the start and turned it around to the Titanic again. If Baby Delta was sent to April 1904, then it means he could have been a survivor of the Titanic - he would have been 8 years old at the time.
Though that makes me wonder why it was so hard not to just have him had gone to 1903 so he'd be 9 years old during the Titanic, for pure pottery.
>>343633796
Nah, it's the same.
Only decision games have RNG.
>>343633701
>If at first you got it wrong (90%) then switching gets you the mask, but if you got it right first time (10%) then switching will make you lose.
Yeah... I still don't understand how it's not 50/50. Neither of the 2 remaining lockers should have any kind of advantage or disadvantage. It's only 90% chance to be wrong UNTIL 8 are opened and then it's 100% divided by the amount of unopened lockers.
>>343633596
Yeah, but I feel like it should've been Akane instead of Delta.
She was the original MIND HACKER in 999. And couldn't jump as well (otherwise she'd just jump to another timeline from the incinerator one)
There was NO reason to use Delta. They could've just replaced Delta in ZTD with Akane and the entire story could've been the same.
With Akane being Phi's sister and Sigma+diana's child.
anyone else kinda disappointed that Sigma isn't as goofy as he was in vlr
I get why but he was still pretty funny before
>>343633596
Shiiit this is a good theory. Way better than the Eric dating his mother's killer theory.
>>343633796
alien algebra had the same numbers to the cards every time. The symbols themselves even had clues to what numbers the represented that some people didn't realize until after they had already figured it out the long way through using the game for trial and error.
>>343633915
> isnt as goofy
>>343633864
You can actually FEEL the difference in chance if you pick a bigger number.
For example lets say there are 1000 lockers. You pick 1 randomly. I open 998 locker doors.
You can actually instinctly feel that it HAS to be in the locker I didn't open yet.
The same is the case with 10 lockers or 3 lockers. The chance difference just gets smaller at smaller number of doors so it's harder to recognize.
>>343633864
>You pick the wrong locker (90% chance)
>There are 9 lockers left, 1 has the mask in
>Zero opens 8 that are guaranteed to be empty
>Therefor the last locker that he didn't open and you didn't pick is guaranteed to have the mask in
>>343633864
You are the Eric of this thread aren't you anon?
>>343633596
How is K relevant?
>>343634026
>You can actually instinctly feel that it HAS to be in the locker I didn't open yet.
Sorry to say but I felt that I was being fucked with so I stuck with my original choice and the gas mask was in there. I'll gladly read more about the Monty Hall problem to see why switching gives you a better chance but at the moment it makes zero sense.
>>343634091
>Therefor the last locker that he didn't open and you didn't pick is guaranteed to have the mask in
>guaranteed
That goes against what happened when I stuck with my choice.
>>343634135
>That goes against what happened when I stuck with my choice
That means you got lucky and got it right first try with a 10% chance
Does that still get you the achievement?
I'll marry Carlos!
>>343634224
Yes, I got the achievement. I don't get why I got it because I don't feel like I figured out shit. When I redid the scene to get it wrong, I also stuck with my original choice and the mask wasn't in there.
>>343634026
Yeah this, it makes more sense with big numbers but when is just 3, like in the original problem, it becomes more difficult to decide because there is a higher chance of getting the right door from the start.
>>343633596
If you really boil it down, the entire VLR timeline was created just to cause enough time fuckery that Delta could kick himself into a comfy timeline.
>>343634135
Look at the start of his greentext there. He's saying that it's guaranteed to have the gas mask if you picked the wrong locker, which you will do 90% of the time.
You're confused because you happened to have picked the right the first time, and you aren't grasping that while it did happen for you, there was only a 10% chance of that happening. You just got lucky. (While if someone did know about Monty Hall, and switched but happened to have chosen right the first time, that just means they were unlucky).
>>343634135
It's fairly straight forward to calculate the conditional probability of winning by switching door/box. I'm pretty sure the monty hall problem is covered in most collage statistics classes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem#Direct_calculation
>>343634248
mary will marry carlos
>>343634357
To be fair though, the Monty Hall problem is highly divisive even among expert mathematicians. The game even acknowledges that it's divisive - there are still esteemed scholars today who disagree with the conclusion and argue against it.
So the next zero will be Zero the Third again right? since in this timeline sigma won´t go to the moon.
>>343634098
This point is kinda bullshtit but we know Akane knows some "truth" from Zero, knows K will be super fucking important to everything, and is also known for withholding information because its important to. Delta had to mind hack SOMEBODY who knew a lot about the VLR future timeline in order to set up the creation.
How K gets hypothetically sent back that far, who fucking knows. And theres still the problem of how he figured out the terrorist problem.
>>343634429
No, the Monty Hall problem is provable. You're probably thinking of the sleeping beauty problem.
>>343633940
That's not a theory. Did you beat the game?
I have yet to start playing and I was wondering whether Chill & Rigor is still in the game? Definitely the best suspense track from the first two games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GLYF5O1gMY
>>343634497
Maybe not since the snail incident might not happen the way it did in a alternative timeline.
>>343633249
The correct answer is whatever you pick first. You will always get the good ending as your very first ending.
>>343634135
Ok I will try. By saying it as 50/50 It seems you disregard the first case of the problem and only consider the second case where there are only 2 lockers left.
At first case, you have 1/10 chance of being right. Now that Zero has opened 8 other lockers, meaning there are 2 lockers left. One is the one you picked just now (which has 1/10 being right). And guess what the other locker probability when the your currently locker's one is 1/10? Yes, it's 9/10.
That's why it's better to switch. You can keep your choice but you just have lower odds.
Doesn't mean you can only get it right after the 10th however.
>>343634564
Yes anon I did, I know about the jail scene. It was yesterday I was on the wikia for ZTD reading some trivia and that was a theory some crazy fans came up with. Which I didn't like the theory any way.
>Akane was a traitorous bitch that kept information from the others, like the entire FtS meeting, in the VLR timeline too
add this to all her flaws makes you really wonder why people like her
>>343634665
Hm... I think I understand a bit better now. The first choice stays at 10% because that was the chance it has of being the right one when the choice was made. Thanks for the explanation. It was a lot more helpful than the
>lol ur stupid
responses.
>tfw I knew abuot the Monty Hall problem thanks to offtopic /v/ threads
>>343634026
>>343634135
>>343634286
I have drawn the monty hall problem for you people.
With 3 doors to show you how switching always gives you the best Chance.
>>343634806
Not my fault you're just an eric
>>343634702
it's confirmed in the scene where mira murders carlos. Not the epilogue.
>>343633814
Seriously, I was expecting this too. Weird that they didn't fit the Titanic back into it when they outright reveal the main villain was alive at the time. Would have been a nice connection back to the beginning.
>>343634806
buy you are stupid and need to learn to help yourself anon.
>>343634806
If it helps I was both the first guy to call you stupid and the first guy to try explain it to you. I felt bad re-reading my comment and realizing how condescending it sounded.
>>343627440
18 hours, 17 minutes, 18 seconds.
Too short.
>>343623343
I know he he gets a ton of flack for it, but probably the whole TEN MONTHS and "If I had done that, I wouldn't have met you guys" part. He was just so naive and the game was totally judging him for being that way.
Also, it's a lot more funnier and iconic than Diana's knowingly taking a Radical-6 patient out of the facility.
>>343634936
Yes but it hasn't been really been confirmed though and still a theory.
>>343633738
Sigma was amazing in that room
>>343635348
Wtf are you talking about? Her first said the same thing are erics last words, and her first told her to smile. It's clearly erics mom.
>>343635438
Doesn't mean it's confirm.
>>343635332
If he had tried to stop Zero he would have branched it off into a different timeline where he either succeeded in stopping Zero or failed to stop Zero (likely ending up dead or something) and he would not have been able to rescue them from that timeline.
>>343632835
I got it second try though...
>>343635465
It is, unless you are profoundly autistic.
>>343635480
The craziest thing is there is a time line where he might have done those two things as the tree branched out more.
>>343634793
In the VLR timeline,Akane was the clone, she didn't have any memories of the decision game.
>>343635408
>Going into the shower a second time
>>343634870
Actually good and simple explanation.
>>343632936
She has PhD in memefield.
>>343635575
It isn't confirmed so that means it's a theory. You won't know til there is a game of it showing what happens after they break her out of jail.
>Sigma can't read the transporter and picks random ass dates twice
>Carlos picks the exact date and history to arrive in time before the game begins so he can save Junpei and Akane
???
>>343633915
The robot eye and arms were what boosted his stats in goofiness.
He's working with what he's got.
>>343633335
Yeah. Fair enough. It was just the satisfaction of being completely blindsided. I haven't felt that since the first time somebody betrayed in an AB game because I did, or the whole 'I am Zero' twist in 999. It's very rare I never see something coming but that complete shock made me feel so good.
so what was the meeting?
who si the God of that world? the player? that's why Delta knows everything? what are the secrets of the world? why I am left with more questions than answers
>>343635752
You don't know that. Could be that he was transported to years before ZTD happened.
>>343635809
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>343635535
Maybe it's scripted on the third try but the first 2 are legitimate rolls. That's kind of cool.
>>343635809
No gods and kings
only men.And ayys
>>343635752
Sigma was pressured by the fact that he and Diana are about to be injected with amnesia drug. He totally forgot the decision game has end and the drug won't be injected anymore. His old age probably played a role in here.
>>343635903
Anon is trying to say delta = you( the player)
>>343635872
He said he got there 10 months before the game started not that he waited 10 months.
>>343635972
What explains the second time?
>>343635809
>God of that world
gab
>>343635903
it's the VLR ending with Akane and Junpei, Delta tells Akane to go the meeting and he would show her the God/Secrets of that world
>>343636026
No the 10 months waiting was so the time machine could charge.
>>343635972
This is true the ones that are left behind realize that the game is over.
>>343635752
Bigger question - who the fuck was watching the alien transporty device when his clone emerged from it? Did Zero have it at that point? Or the CIA or whatever? Was it unguarded and he just waltzed out and hid away for all that time waiting to rescue Junpy and Kanny? Doesn't compute.
>>343635696
They already showed the murder in a cutscene lol. You don't need to have a character say Mira killed Erics mother, being blunt and direct with everything is bad writing. it's so strongly implied that it it's more than obvious. You're just trying to pretend it isn't real in your headcannon for some reason.
>>343636026
>What explains the second time?
You mean when picking the time for Phi and Delta?
He did mentioned distant past if I remembered correctly.
>>343636125
IIRC Delta said he got the transporter in 2009
>The alien cards puzzle
>>343627440
26 hours
>>343636183
They only showed they repeated the same thing. That's it :^). The woman met with their neighbor and died.
>>343635696
>Unless they refer to the woman as "eric's mother" and unless she has a name tag that says "eric's mother" than it is not her
>>343636426
Basically :^).
>>343628206
>>343627598
I was thinking thatDiana and Phi were sister, and not only that but they are actually Mother and daugther and Sigma still the father.
But no,Deltahas to come around and fuck up everything.
>>343636393
>He failed grade school math class
>>343627873
Yes, they are different. but still similar in their own way.
>>343628829
>There's no loose ends
>>343636393
I fucking manually calculated the ~2000 something number to base 13 with a fucking calculator before finding out the game had a machine that did it automatically for you.
I felt like a retard.
>>343636489
...are you not old enough to make basic conclusions on your own?
>>343636393
I was struggling until I had two thirds of the single symbol cards figured out and then just tried different combinations with the multi symbol cards until I had 0 to 12. Anybody who tells you it was easy probably looked at a guide. It's the Dark Souls fanbase all over again.
>>343636679
Just assume that everything Akane ever says is a lie
Why do you keep calling them aliens they are human equivalents from another universe, The One God Didn't Abandon.
If they made a fourth game, would you prefer it to be PC/console only if it had better graphics?
>>343632618
>>343632653
>>343632840
I can confirm that the gunshot is random. I failed it twice in a row and only got the blank on my third attempt. I even tried to spin the barrel on my second try, but you can't do that.
>>343636752
Might as well assume that whole VLR thing as non-canon, right?
>>343636737
I had to use a guide for the converting to base 13 thing. I had the wheels spinning and all but I couldn't wrap my head around it.
>>343636426
>>343636183
>>343636489
The only reason this true and not with coincidence of them saying the same thing and dying, is that everyone is related to each person in the game from the butterfly effect of what happen. So it's true. Mira killed Eric's mom. Which was the second thing to set off a chain of events happening to 999, ZTD and VLR timelines.
>>343636861
You just don't understand Akane's complex motives
>>343636861
It's not the true ending any more now anon.
>>343636403
Then how can we know if the Delta who mind hacks is actually the baby who got sent back in time? It could be a random, crazy old man with colored contacts. How can we know if Phi actually died in the incinerator? She could've just thrown a bunch of pocket sand on the ground, asking with her brooch, and escaped out a secret door.
>>343636861
VLR is canon. The true ending is the one that leads to VLR and it loops.
>>343636849
I don't fucking care what the medium will be.
Just make it back to VN again.
All these cinematic translates to less reading, meaning less room to explore the plot as a whole.
>>343634357
I don't get why staying with your original choice in a new situation isn't being counted as making a new decision in and of itself. The situation itself has already changed, the probability doesn't remain the same as a result of that.
Not changing is the same as if you had come in on the second situation and chosen something from a 50/50 chance in the first place.
>>343635987
You can't be delta because he doesn't shift, you're just looking through his glasses
>>343636979
but it still happens, is not like 999 where you rewrite history
>the post game file in ZTD where Junpei thinks about all the alternate Junpei that didn't get Akane and Akane tells him who cares
Who made Phi's brooch anyways? The only way she obtains it is by getting it as a keepsake from Sigma and Diana, who get it from her to begin with.
>>343636712
Sounds cool. How do you do it?
>>343627440
about 17 hours. still have 4 hidden trophies though, are they related to the chance games?
>>343637024
Because it was mentioned anon and seen :^). And confirmed.
>>343636849
>If they made a fourth game, would you prefer it to be PC/console only if it had better graphics?
I don't need better graphics. What I would like is being able to walk around freely, Persona 3/4 style. I feel like that would add a lot more depth to the game. It would be nice to be able to explore a bit and interact with things outside of puzzle rooms.
>>343637108
Bootstrap Paradox
>>343637121
Just do everything. If it's got a ? go do it.
>>343637108
Schrodinger's Cat
>>343636849
>Graphics for a VN/Cinematic whatever
Die
My vision on the zero escape series is that there is only a single timeline.
All those multiple timelines are still contained in a single "true" timeline. The universe just accounts for the time travel. History always had time travel in it. There is no timeline where the timetravel didn't happen.
>>343623343
REMOVE CARLOS
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V
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If you haven't platinum VLR and ZTD, you're truly a scrub.
>>343635987
No I was trying to say that Delta knows the God of that wolrd which is the player, all the timelines where "God abandoned us" are the ones we leave because we have finished those fragments, and that's why he knows all the stuff because we know it and he can't find the terrorist because we don't know who he is for now
>>343637181
walking around added nothing to persona 3/4 which is why P3P exists and was better.
>>343633864
lmao
>>343637264
>Friendship bro!
>>343637207
but the only ? left in the global flowchart isthe one after carlos' decision to shoot Delta in the true ending
>Characters epilogues aren't made into cutscenes and are told only through text in extra notes
>no epilogue for D-Team
>>343637281
But they are in The Timeline God Abandoned, that's why alternate universe entities had to send the time machine-like thing.
>>343636849
the graphics were ""fine""
the problem was the animations are terrible
probably the worst animations i've seen in a 3D game
>>343637264
>it's an Eric has a shotgun scene
>>343637356Look under the coin flip
>>343637295
I dunno, I think being able to walk around does help out since you get a better idea of your surroundings and feel more attached to it.
I know I wished in SMT4 that they let you walk around Mikado to see what a cool setting it was, especially since they let you do that in Tokyo a decent amount.
>>343637271
Jokes on you, faggot. I pirated all three games :^)
>>343637386
Because their journey is not over anon, wait for Sigma return next summer :^)
>>343636393
You just had to play yugioh against the CPU a few times to figure out which cards were one, two and three and then it was basically done.
>>343637452
I can't remember how this got started, but I can tell you exactly how it will end
>>343636737
>Anybody who tells you it was easy probably looked at a guide.
how about not being a fucking retard
i got an 800 on the math section of the sat, if you didn't, you're a retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zAU7tZnCcQ
>Write yourself into a corner
>MIND HACKS
BRAVO UCHI!!!
Wait so...DIO was a clone of Phi, why is he male tho? also why blonde..it also say that Left and Brother were born into a poor family which isn't true.Also it would be funny to think Left was actually the kid Sean was based on and the one Delta was so attached to in there first place, but Delta was already old wen Real Sean died so it couldn't be the motivation for Free the Soul.
>>343637223
I don't see why graphics don't matter in what's essentially a 20 hour movie. But I'm sure there's a timeline where I kill myself over it.
>>343637264
Why was Eric even there?Deltaexplained that Mira was a helper of sorts, but he completely changed the subject when they asked about Eric at the end of the game.
>>343637470
Now you're not even a scrub but you're a sponge a barnacle.
In that ending whereDelta gives you password from the computer panel, why he kills Sigma but not Diana? He kills her easily and mercilessly throughout the whole game and now suddenly wants some time with mommy?
>>343637236
I bet you think all of Gundam is a single timeline too.
>>343637613
Left and the Dio clones were from the family Delta was adopted into, not Phi
>>343637613
Dio is a clone of delta.
>>343637613
NoDio was a clone of Left, the son of the family that adopted him. His life story was a lie for why he created FtS, his motives were more... complex.I don't know who Sean is
So I just finished the game.
I just need to sit down and take it all in now. It didn't end the way I wanted, but I'm satisfied enough with how it went.My biggest concern going in was wanting Sigma and Junpeis timelines to be concluded nicely and I felt the game did do that somewhat well. Sad we didn't hear anything about Quark, but it's meh. I lost my shit watching Akanes go full chainsaw massacre mode when her beloved Junpei was killed. And my man Sigma having unprotected sex with a cute drunken nurse was nice. The Phi stuff I liked, it was the Delta nonsense that was a bit silly.
God man, so much I want to say about this game. It wasn't exactly how I wanted it to end, but at it's close enough.
>>343637692
>Why was Eric even there
He's the mastermind, obviously.
>>343637609
Brothers ability tomind hackwas referenced in VLR.
It's also no more retarded than accessing the morphogenetic field or SHIFTing yet some of you sperg out just because the name sounds stupid.
BRAVO ANON!!!
>>343637778
Realtalk, I bet that was a 'necessary' throwaway line because SOME PEOPLE ARE BRAINDEAD AND GO "WAIT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FORCE QUIT BOX THING" in QA
>>343637778
>Not wanting to fuck your mom in her prime
>>343637506
Zero Escape 4, where Sigma discovers he has yet another kid he didn't remember that has superpowers and timetravels multiple times in multiple ways, while Junpei and Akane still haven't even kissed.
>>343637692
Because Eric mother was killed by Mira. We're you not listening? Do you not know how to imply and read context clues???
>>343637778Some people think it's the opposite. That he hates he and wants her to suffer
>>343636737
Anyone who says it's easy probably played VLR which had slightly more difficult puzzles as opposed to this. I'm not saying the game was bad but the puzzles were certainly not hard.
>>343637853
Shifting was cool because it broke the 4th wall, but morpogenetic field was kind of retarded I agree
>>343637824
>There's a timeline where Diana fires a blank
>Left standing there like a dumbass
>>343637912
Sigma discovers that Delta is his grampa
>>343637181
What depth? I'm not inherently against the idea, but I don't see what it could add. There's virtually nothing of value to interact with outside the puzzle rooms, and needing to walk between areas would only make VLR's transitions between areas even more maddening. I could only the change artificially extending the play time, especially when you are given maps and when the series has traditionally been a straight visual novel.
>>343637295
P3P was a lot snappier, but P3 and P4 were solid about using movement to establish space and relationships between areas. It also had NPCs that were cycling in and out. You're only ever going to have your other abductees in these games, and most of the time, you might only have one per area. If you're going to have to walk up to them anyway and have no other choices, why bother with the option in the first place?
>>343637824
Is it Mara?
18 inches...
>>343637509
Honestly it took me way too long because I literally just saw the first hint on the VR book and went to work.
>>343637509
you could actually most of it with math.
you were given wind=o
also two sympols behind each other meant multiplication.
2^3=12 meant moon=2
therefore man=3 and star=5 and the one I forgot=4.
Pretty easy, actually. You still neede to find out the symbols for 1, 7 and 11 by playing ygo.
>>343637778
Delta can't shift so each Delta is a different person with different personalities.
You have the one that doesn't give a fuck, the one that kinda feels bad about it and the one that does nothing wrong in the true ending.
>>343637996
>What depth? I'm not inherently against the idea, but I don't see what it could add.
How about more social interactions between characters? That alone is a fantastic reason. Maybe the story changes depending on who you speak to at certain times? That kind of depth.
>>343637996
>walk around as Sean
>see old man sitting in corner of room
>>343637849
I was really thinking for a while that Eric was going to figure shit out eventually and go back to the past to become Zero or Brother or some shit, but that didn't happen.
>>343638126
You just want to play a shitty RPG.
>>343637912
The whole gang jumps back in time to prevent another shoah. Hitler was the first Zero all along.
>>343638112
its actually snail = 0
Okay, I just finished the game.
However, I have a couple of questions:As far as I understand or remember, 999 is essentially a closed time loop or paradox, where Akane disappears if you don't achieve the true ending. However, in the true ending of ZTD it is implied that Phi and Delta will exist, but at the same time the circumstances of Sigma and Diana giving birth to them will not occur. Is it because of the transporter that no paradoxes are present, or did the time travel mechanics get changed retroactively?
I suppose this game makes up what disappointment I had in VLR, but I'm still convinced that for all intents and purposes the series should have ended with 999.
>>343623343
>4 ZTD threads up right now
oh boi, can't wait for these threads to be filled with shitposters telling us to gtfo to /vg/. keep it to one thread if you can help it, i don't want this game getting the undermeme treatment
Anyone disapointed the 10 months scene with Diana and Sigma didn't show them cannibalizing on baby delta and phi and eventually each other?
I felt like it could've been a really big emotional scene if they at least showed the famine and gradual dying of every single one of them. Probably with Sigma being the last survivor and killing himself in the incinerator
>>343636737
Nigga it was fucking easy. You know that multiple symbols are multiplied and that the highest number is 12.
Lots of info right there.
>>343638243
t. edgemaster
>>343637692
Eric insisted on going when Mira volunteered, this was explicitly explained. However, in terms of why, most likely Delta wanted Eric to realize his girlfriend was actually a serial killer who murdered his mother.
>>343638238
Why bring this up in the (main) thread when the others are either too stupid to ctrl+f or do it out of spite?
>>343638231
Think of it like a circle with three bubbles that span into one another, and ZTD with a line outwards of it that leads to a bubbly happygolucky future where the participants go team up and shit.
>>343638201
Well, the germans DID have possession of the time travel alien transporter.
>>343638201
Delta was in germany for ww1 and 2 and isn't really interested in preventing the holocaust even though 6 gorillian died.
>>343638243
>Probably with Sigma being the last survivor
nigga were you paying attention in that last scene? Sigma looked like shit, he'd been giving up parts of his rations so Diana could support the babies. he probably died like two minutes after they scanned the babies
>>343637586
That's pretty good.
>>343638238
We are so sorry that we took that space reserved for 20 overwatch threads, senpai
>>343638231
Sigma transported them to the past before the timeline splitted so it doesn't matter because now they will be in all timelines because the split of the events after way after 1904
>>343638373
Maybe Hitler did it to save all humanity.
>>343638214
that symbol is called wind, retard. read the book.
>>343637829
Yeah. It didn't go the way I wanted, and I can see why people may be pissed, but looking back I feel like it's the ending that had to happen. The series really is about embracing the field and using it for good, as the endingclumsilyemphasizes.
>>343638238
Good, we need more people in here, who cares about /v/ threads quality. more people knowing the game exists means more potential sales means more chance at a sequel.
>>343638231
Phi and Delta were transported to a time before the branching happened.
Think of it as a branch, they all start at the same point.
>>343638373
Bet you five dollars he's tried that at least once and saw what happened was immensely worse with the rest of the globe NOT uniting against a common enemy.
The transporter thing was bad, but I guess it's the only way to close the loop. Shouldn't have been aliens though.
>>343637952
>>343637952Anon, they ll break the 4th wall. Every single one of them is a reference to what the player is/is doing. In 999 you are the field connecting Akane and Junpei. In ZTD mind hacking is how Delta makes people make certain choices, you're the one making him do that. The players interaction with the game world always takes the form of a sci fi element within the universe. People arbitrarily decide one is stupider than the other and I will never understand the logic. They are essentially, all the same fucking thing.
>>343637061
Uchikoshi was the one who wanted to move away from VN and towards cinematics. He says that he wants a new demographic so he'll be more popular and that his future games will be done in cinematic style.
IF I DON'T GET DRUNKEN JUNPEI LEWDS RIGHT NOW I'M GONNA SHOOT GAB.
>>343638238
>have multiple threads talking about ZTD
>shitposters tell us to gtfo to /vg/ to keep all discussion in one thread
>manage to condense it all into one thread on /v/
>get told to gtfo to /vg/, told that if there's one consistent discussion thread about the game, then that's a general
No matter what we do people are going to bitch and claim we should move to /vg/. They're just butthurt that people are talking about a game they don't like and/or haven't played. Ignore them and move on.
>>343638443
>>343638508
What I mean is, wouldn't Phi and Delta disappear in 10 months after the true end?
Unless, again, the transporter works differently from the time travel explained in 999 and VLR.
>>343633446
Bear in mind they don't know how big the explosion is either.
The only good thing to come out of this entire series is Phi
>>343637586
This version got really good, congratulations to everyone involved.
>>343637952
Shifting feels kinda stupid though because it's forcing yourself into a parallel timeline body of yourself.
But by that merit, every other timeline version of you should be capable of shifting too, so how do you NEVER get forced out of your body while playing by an involuntary shift from another timeline, when they deliberate at the end on how they did that all game to the other versions of them? Or hell, why didn't their old selves just shift back to themselves after being kicked out the first time, given they have the power.
>>343638373
what makes you think he wasn't hitler? what makes you think he wasn't finishing the job?
>>343638520
>jews are the common enemy
oh vey kicked out of every nation they settled
>>343638561
You don't need the transporter, Uchi just wanted to give his waifu Phi a super cool backstory.
Have Delta and Phi live in the present and Akane and Junpei not die for any other reason and the loop hole of fucking ALIENS isn't needed. You literally could come up with something else.
>Diana is used goods
Thanks Uchikoshi.
>>343638561
OR he could haveused the quantum computer to displace space-time, like he's done BEFORE cough coughBut I guess alien technobabble is better.
>>343638587
Go home Akane, you're drunk
>>343638741
So you are a virgin then?
>>343638171
Just wait for the sequel.
Eric was the main engine for the most relevant SHIFTs. I'm sure that he was aware of the whole thing.
>>343638741
We still have Luna, she's still pure!
>>343638501
>more people knowing the game exists means more potential sales
God knows it needs them.
>Zero Time Dilemma: 9,400 owners
>Mighty No. 9: 44,500 owners
Even VA-11 HALL-A is selling better than this game. Do we have any statistics on 3DS/Vita sales?
>>343638741
there was really no reason for her to be a slut especially considering luna. Married and divorced at 22 wtf
>apocalypse ending that connects to VLR
>junpei and akane died
wait what
So what the hell did Carlos do during TEN MONTHS?
Wasn't the transporter under Delta's control ten months before ZTD?
How did he leave the shelter?
>people like Junpei
>>343638741
>9 months of banging to relieve boredom
Pussy game must have been crazy. Everyone knows Sigma '18 Inches' Klim must have been a great lay. Hell, he banged a politicians wife at a party.
>>343638981
Keep playing
No "party hard" gif of this scene?
>MFW ZTD had 0 emotional moments.
999 sudoku puzzle and VLR Luna ending made me cry like a little bitch.
In ZTD the biggest emotional impact was me feeling slightly sad for Sigma and Diana during their 10 months scenes.
>>343638963
Only one game stop in my state had it but it was reserved and I had to order off of amazon which wasn't bad because 31 dollars with prime.
>>343638963
I can't see the game selling even 100k in it's life time.
>>343639042
best I can do
>>343638924
Luna is a woman that could have been like a daughter to me.
>>343638561
>Shouldn't have been aliens though.
Yea pretty much everyone agrees that was fucking retarded. The best part is he added that alien shit to explain where the transporter came from but where the fuck did the quantum computer come from? They don't exist either really and I highly doubt quantum machines will make those kinds of strides in the next 10-20 years. His computer can predict literally every outcome in the universe.
Where the fuck did that come from?Honestly the dumbest twist was that Delta couldn't read the field and just read minds. It made it really confusing how he knows so much. I guess he can read the minds of people who jumped back in time and that's how he could gain the knowledge to build a quantum computer. Either way, could have just made him learn to build the transporter the same way.
>>343639069
Forgot face.
>>343638982
That's why Carlos is in the Dcom to begin with, Delta saw him come from the transporter and realized he had to put him in the decision game too :^)
>>343639069
The scene where they hugged Phi gave me somewhat watery eyes. It was nice to see them be "reunited".
How does the stethoscope thing in the infirmary work. Im trying to open the safe but I dont understand how the system recognizes my input?
Like I got the first two numbers15 and 7 right?but whenever I do the right-left-right thing on the second number everything seems to reset and I dont get a signal for the third but for the first number.
>>343639002
>Not liking Junpei
>tfw no gf
>>343638501
Why would you possibly want a sequel at this point?
>>343639069
The game was also lacking in proper horror, much like VLR. While ZTD has a plenty of blood and gore going on, there isn't anything actively scary going on in the setting.
999 was originally going to take place in a building, but they changed it for the boat instead. Just having that timelimit of nine hours and a clear idea for why it was important was more effective than what VLR or ZTD did.
>>343639069The scene where Sigma realizes that his life work has been all for naught for the one version of himself when he realizes he's in the VLR timeline I felt so fuckign bad for him
>>343639291
Carlos is pure for his sister. What a man.
>>343639291
>get machine gunned for a girl you hardly know
>don't even get a thank you
>>343638981
don't worry, the answer is even more stupid than you could ever imagine.
t. Kotaro Uchikoshi
>>343639139
Char pls
>>343639291
Carlos is gay, calling it now.
Someone ask Uchi on twitter, I bet it's true.
>recruit shifters
>send them to different timelines using the transporter
>read their minds when they shift back
Delta could have become his own Professor X with a team of shifters and trying to save the world that way
>inb4 that's the plot of the next game even tho the postgame files make it seem like everyone went his own way
>>343639215
And actually know who is who to who.
>>343639315
>The game was also lacking in proper horror,
good. 999 was a saw ripoff.
>It's perspective twist again
BRAVE UCHIKOSHI!
>>343639151
To my understanding, Delta used the knowledge of the original Sean to build that quantum computer. It would explain the dream Sean mentioned to the old man.
>>343639187
>9 inchee
I don't get it.
>>343639315
>Why would you want a sequel
Snake, Clover, Alice, Kyle, FtS, etc etc. A lot of shit is unanswered.
>>343639291
>Carlos is the real cuck
this can't be happening.
>>343639069
Interestingly enough the emotional scenes in ZTD were happy scenes. I felt watery eyed seeing Team D "reunite" and the whole romantic dialogue between Jumpy and Akane; I really that desperate to see them finally happy together.
Uchikoshi's answers regarding the Kyle questions makes me think the Another Ending section was a translation mistake
>>343639525
ONLY WHEN FOLDED
>>343639490
>Zero is...
>Zero is....
>YOU!
>uninstall.exe
>>343639291
Carlos is the toppest tier wingman. Half of his scenes are him trying to get Junpei laid.
>>343639315
While I agree the game lacked horror, my first fragment was the pantry escape room because Akane with a chainsaw and you know how that room ends. I thought there would be more scenes like that.
>>343639591
which answer are you talking about?
>>343639525
That last E is sigma, is pronunced like an S in a greek word.
>>343639617
A true american hero.
>>343639584
D team was the only team that got me to choke up, the time Phi got incinerated hit me pretty good.
The only other one was happy end and when Q stayed behind for Gab and Q and just sat there hugging little Gab.
>>343639069
>0 emotional moments
>that entire extended cutscenes for the twins ending
Diana and Sigma literally just waiting to die was emotional enough, but then you bring the babies into the mix...
>>343639546
Those were all things that were supposed to be in the third game. Wanting to pay for another game because of that is like some kind of battered spouse syndrome.
>>343639675
People have asked what the fuck happened to Kyle because he was supposed to be in the game too, but Uchi just laughs or says "what do you think?"
>>343639738
He stayed behind for Q
>>343639738
>Q stayed behing for Gab
Brah...
>>343639581
just stalking his prey from afar
>>343639793
That whole "let's transport the kids" scene was fucked. Sigma reassuring Diana they won't vanish, like what is her point, does she want to see them die that badly?
>>343639436
Literally this.
Daily reminder that Carlos is the "cool" character for casuals and the american audience
>>343639738
Sean stayed behind for Q.
>>343639809
I know. I just want a game that actually wraps things up.
>>343639810
Pretty sureSean/Shawn/Shaun/Seaghán/Shon/Seannstayed for both Kew and Gab.
ERIC X SHOTGUN OTP
EVERYONE ELSE IS SHIT
>>343639436
he's not gay, he just wants his sister
how new are you to japanese media
>>343639940
He was supposed to be, and eric was supposed to be the meme character.
we were wrong.
>>343639845
>>343639912
That scene was trippy as fuck. At the moment, I was convinced that either Dio, Ace, or Brother were going to be revealed to be able to mind hack people. I had no idea what the fuck was happening
Am I the only one who can't stop hearing TF2's scout when Junpei talks?
So about Q. There was that one throwaway line about him, but did they ever mention him like that at any other point?
I mean, his sudden appearance felt like a bit of an asspull, because the camera kept shifting around (heh) in scenes he was supposedly present, but clearly there wasn't anyone in a wheelchair there. They could have masked it by avoiding the specific camera angles, but they didn't.
>>343640009
I thought she was a kid but she's fucking 22.
>>343639940
So?
A character doesn't have to be deep and complex to be good.
Anyone else think Sean is the absolute worst name in the English language?
Not only does it sound like shit, it's spelled completely wrong.
>>343640046
I was thinking "oh so Carlos was Blink Winkel all along" since he was acting similar to him.
Seriously: Carlos comes up with the dumbest plans.
>>343639810
>>343639835
>>343639959
Go back and actually finish reading what I wrote folks
>>343640131
>just turn your brain off bro!
Exactly, thanks for proving me right
>>343640113
Heard people say you can see his shadow in several scenes
>>343640129
Yeah but she has been sick for 10 years so she's probably still 12 mentally
this game sucked
>>343640019
>Implying Eric wasn't a meme character
>'Heh, nothing personal kid'
They both had their memes.I just wanted more 'muh six billion'
>>343639961
Do you want to just keep feeding more and more money to Uchikoshi as he makes more empty promises, telling yourself "maybe he'll really resolve those things this time"? He's already abandoned the fans to chase after cinema bucks. He doesn't care.
>>343639262
Ok I got it it was fucking easy, I just got confused by shitty junpeis right-left-right instruction.
>>343640009
Sister is 22, the running joke was sister complex and Carlos always said that's not it.
His sister isn't a loli, the sister complex pretty much refers to fucking your underage sister, she's 22 come on.
I wonder how Delta feels toward Phi and Diana.
She has no problem incinerating her. He seems to spare Diana on other end.
>>343640331
>>'Heh, nothing personal kid'
but that was Junpei
>>343640337
I wish this wasn't true.
>>343640293
So, would it be pedophilia if you fucked Carlos's sister? Or does only the body matter? And if that's the case what about flat tiny women?
Saw a stream of this,is it all just bad ends for the boy?
>>343640363
>Impliying Delta didn't MIND HACK his mother and trap her in his sex dungeon
>>343640229
I don't know if this is bait at this point, or you didn't finish the game yet.
>>343640337
>after cinema bucks
he is making a movie?
>>343640437
are you an idiot?
>>343640337
>I'm probably going to buy the 999 remaster
I want to get off Uchikoshi's wild ride
>>343640456
Gab is Zero
>>343640456
There is a 'good' end for him.. but is not what you would expect.
>>343638243
>implyingakane didn't show up on 11/17/2029 to save them
>>343640529
>Q stayed behind for Gab and Q and just sat there hugging little Gab.
>GAB AND Q
I literally just forgot to call him Sean, jesus christ anon.
>>343627440
34 hours here.
>>343636679
Kyle is obviously Gab. :^)
There's just one thing I don't understand now.The vote at 13:30 was actually spread out over several hours. So when the teams send Gab through the ventilation system, why does he resurface at the "other end" as if he had just walked through it?
>>343640563
Yes.
>>343640675
There's quite literally a fucking FILES note on this
>>343640675
he gabbin
>>343640297
That's what I said about VLR. ZTD ultimately was nothing but a relatively meaningless conclusion to that game's cliffhanger ending, and even then you could argue it wasn't necessary: VLR sets it up that something happened in dcom that released the radical-6, and this has to be stopped. The only stuff ZTD brought to the table was Phi and Brother's backstories, while also claiming it was to stop a threat bigger than radical-6.
You could have just written whatever story in your head and just call it a day, and not care about ZTD being a thing.
>>343640718
>>343640675
to expand on this
DOGS HAVE GOOD HEARING
EVERYONE'S ASLEEP UNTIL THEY WAKE UP AND START TALKING
DOG HEARS IT
GETS OUT OF HIS QUITE LITERALLY FAVORITE RESTING SPOT FOR SOCIAL INTERACTION
ALSO TO GET FED CHEESE
APPARENTLY
THEN GO NAP AGAIN
>>343640675
>gab goes through
>Zero grabs gab
>waits
>other team is active for vote
>sends gab in
>>343639716
A real human bean.
>>343640742
Fuck off retard
999 is the worst in the series.
>>343639845
>Carlos spends 1 hour thinking
>dayum gurrl you hot
BRAVO
>>343640742
I think the entire point of all three games was a good journey with a lame ending, but I hated the fragment system
>>343640110
>english voices
>>343640403
For some reason I've associated that with the heh that Eric has when he blows up Sean. It felt right in my head.
>do Q team first
>C team second, click the akane chainsaw segment
>immediately start finding body parts while junpei is missing
WHAT ABOUT THE ENDING WHERE SIGMA AND DIANA ESCAPE and Sigma keep telling "Don't worry I am sure everyone is fine" ????
>>343640871
We're in a disagreement here, then. Mind explaining for me why do you think it's the worst?
>>343640928
>japanese voices
>>343640675
It's answered in the Files. When Gab goes into the vent, it just leads to a little private room with a nice rug where Gab can take a nap.
>>343640354
Sister Complex has nothing to do with age. It has to do with incest.
>>343640871
You have an awful opinion so go fuck off bucko
>>343640948
Well, he shot to kill Q, Sean was just collateral damage
But Eric is kinda crazy so he get a pass, Junpei did it in cold blood after having an heartfelt speech with Carlos
>>343640391
Fuck off
>>343640528
That would have been another way to give birth to himself, why didn't he do it?
>>343641081
That's not what doujins that cater to the fetish say.
>>343641101
it's not an opinion it's objective fact
and 999 fanboys are retarded plebs.
>>343640675
Want to be more confused? There was no ventilation system because it was the same ward.
>>343640675
Just because the game is cinematic now doesn't mean you can't read the files.
>>343641148
Q is a special old man who likes rolling around the room in circles to avoid camera angles :^)
>In one timeline Delta didn't add Sean to team Q and his plan failed because Mira and Eric were too retarded to solve any puzzles
How did sigma and family not get rescued in 10 months? I realize akane thinks they're dead but no police force would ever be like oh 8 people died? we better not go in there to investigate
>>343641214
The only problem with 999 was going back to replay the game for different endings, if it had a flow chart it would have been GOTY without question.
>best puzzles
>best plot
>best characters
>best atmosphere
>hating the game that started all this
Literally fuck off
Anyone notice that if you check the logs during Erics flashback the portrait for his brother is Gab?
>>343641425
Because she never told anyone what happened
>>343640391
if you replay the pod room scene, you're shown a dozen camera angles where Delta is completely missing from where his shadow is supposed to be
>>343641268
>serious dramatic stand off
>blind and deaf old man whizzing around in his wheelchair in the background, bumping against walls and driving in circles
>>343641459
>best puzzles
VLR by far
>best plot
weakest by far, all it has going for it is banter with june and jumpy and the young akane is lower screen twist
>best atmosphere
saw ripoff
>hating the game that started all of this
I don't hate it, I hate its pleb fanboys.
>>343641525
and the test site is just ok with that? in the vlr ending it was clear that they were worried some shit went down, owned by free the soul or not, no reason why authorities wouldn't notice 8 people gone missing
>>343641459
And even then, it's harder to go back to it now after both VLR and ZTD are a thing. When 999 was released, I was content replaying from the start and trying different options because I really wanted to know what's going on.
Of course, it's hard to recapture the same kind of spark in sequels, because you're already aware of the central gimmick and general things you should expect from the plot.
>>343641554
Well yeah they were supposed to aim at the people that could kill them, not the useless old man
>>343641525
NASA still knows 9 simulation people went missing. the true ending has everyone coming right in front of the dcom buildings, so it's not like the bunker was somewhere really far away
>>343641625
Come on, how can you say that 999's the one that's a Saw ripoff when ZTD exists?
>>343641080
>>343640828
>>343641227
But if the vents don't go anywhere then wouldn't Gab emerge from the vent on the wrong side to the one that actually sent him to deliver a message?
>>343639940
He's shit, to be honest.
>>343641625
I'm going to give you that VLR had better puzzles overall than 999 but the plot and atmosphere were way better in the first game.
>>343641646
maybe they investigated the Dcom building and never found the bomb shelter which was in another place
>>343641787
by the time he comes out robot seans moved everyone out of the room and the next 3 into the lounge. gab comes out of the same vent, but the maps make them think it came from a certain other ward
>>343641854
and they just gave up? its not hard to spot shit on a desert especially that giant metal hole on the ground. Not to mention there was a walkie talkie on top of that section that could be used to find its location because of its signals. And the fact that the facility would make a decent heat signature. All am saying is that there's no reason that ending shouldn't have ended with someone blowing up the rubble and asking if anyone was there
>>343641820
It wasn't, you are a massive pleb. Plot in 999 wasn't good at all. only the banter was good, something VLR did well and ZTD lacked. but both those games had good over all plots.
>>343590249
I feel like Eric is meant to represent the series' haters. He doesn't know how to do any of the puzzles, doesn't understand any of the plot shit that goes on, claims he's a nice guy but as soon as shit happens that he doesn't understand (which is almost anything) he flips his lid and just goes "FUCK EVERYTHING", and also obsessively insists that the only one he can trust is the fucking serial killer.
>>343638373
Delta was an anti semite
>>343642132
I think it's assumed that Radical-6 spreads in all endings except the true ending so you could assume the world was in a full pandemic so no one was investigating
>>343640174
>Sean
>shounen
>young boy
>>343638373
Because it didn't really happen?
BIG THEORY TIME:
YOU ARE KYLE
YOU ARE VIEWING THE GAME THROUGH ZERO AS KYLE
THIS IS WHY THE ANGLES HID ZERO
THIS IS WHY THERE WAS STATIC BETWEEN SCENES
THIS IS WHO ZERO WAS REALLY READING FOR INFORMATION
IT ALL MAKES SENSE
>>343642369
Really? The only timeline it's really brought up in is the VLR one, other than that nothing really happens with it.
Unless it's in some notes I haven't gotten to yet
>>343642369
>I think it's assumed that Radical-6 spreads in all endings
spread by who? old delta is gone and no one took the samples from that place, the place where it originated from
>>343642486
I got a better theory: asspulls all over the place.
>>343627440
Around 16 hours
It was bretty gud
So what was in the artbook?
>>343642516Gab
It explains Zero's first "good news" in that last timeline.
>>343641820
>muh atmosphere
So what's so great about 999's atmosphere in particular? Could you elaborate on that?
>>343627440over 40 hours
I had some trouble with some rooms...
>>343642594
art and a prologue of the first 5 days.
>>343627440
21. I mostly got a bit stuck with not realizing the count time timer inwho killed Mira.
>>343638373
This is explained. He worked together with Hitler and the Nazis. The religious fanatic is of jewish heritage. The Holocaust was their radical solution to save humanity. They tried other methods of finding the fanatic too, but they all failed, hence the Holocaust as the "final solution".
Due to the Allies the Germans lost the war and it was highly likely that the fanatics grandparents survived. This lead to his Radical-6 plan.
>>343631023
Holy shit you can accuse the dog of murder? WEW my sides. Anyone got more pics of the dog accusations?
>>343627440
22 hours I was fucking stuck trying to take a picture of the fucking chair for the piano keys.
>>343627440
22 hours.
Main bits I got stuck on were waiting for Eric's timer to run out and one or two of the puzzles (looking at you Transport room)
Another thing ZTD needed was a cinematic prologue, from a story telling sense, the game kinda dropped you too hard into the thick of it.
Right into the coincide without at lead up? I understand the reason is due to the drug, I guess, but it really felt too rushed.
>>343642649
They just like the saw tension. trapped in "boat" edgy explosives, time limit.
Atmosphere in VLR was better because the whole thing was sterile and surreal with old jumpei and young clover and broke the 4th wall better than 999 with jumping and calling you out on AB voting.
>>343642689
does the prologue include the old man?
>>343642776
You can also accuse him of killing Junpei. You get an error message that says "HOW WOULD A DOG DO IT".
I genuinely thought Gab would turn out to be a villain at some point.
Did Carlos shoot?
How is Delta 120 years old?
Why weren't there more clues about Q even being there, particularly regarding the cameras never seeing him?
>>343632618My first shot killed SigmaAntidote was in A tooDice failed 2 times and made it on the thirdI picked box 2, later changed to 10 on the Monty Hall problem and it was empty. On second try I picked 10, changed to 2 later and it was there.
>>343642494
>>343642516
I don't know, but it's Delta I am sure he had some failsafe to do it anyway to save humanity anyway
>No Alice
>No All-Ice
>No Ice-9
>Instead we get Aliens.
Fuck this game.
>>343643032
Cliff hanger
MIND HACKING
There are tons of clues
>>343643062
Aliens and COMPLEX motivations anon.
>>343642901
They didn't show the characters meeting each other for the first time because if they did that, they'd have to show them being introduced to the old man. It was just another convenient omission so the twist would work.
>>343642937
not really, only thing worth noting is a scene with diana and sigma and based sigma not giving a fuck about going undercover and just saying he's an old man and they are there to save the world with reality shenanigans.
>>343627440
25 hours in two days, and I managed to sleep a little and went to work both days. Didn't want to do it so quickly but I couldn't stop playing. There's just a void inside of me now that I can only fulfill through getting upset/angry with others about the terrible ending.
>>343643062
Do you think Sigma fucked Alice and Clover at the same time?
>>343643032
>the firefigther autistic about killing
>willingly killing someone
nah he clearly doesn't unless someone mind hacks him
>>343627440
22 hours.
Got hung up on:
- That last fucking puzzle in the pod room. Even with Q's hint.
- Who killed Mira?Didn't notice the timeout
- The dice rollI failed twice and never actually tried it again - big mistake
- I spent a good chunk of time trying to enter the last name to shoot during the 3-way shootout. Gave up, which was the correct choice.What the hell do you mean, "INPUT Q'S NAME"? WASN'T IT SEAN?!
- The mothers' mementos.That's not a pendant, that's a brooch. Fuck.
What was the intended solution to the roulette puzzle in the casino? I just gotthe ticket that said the order of the lettersand went into notepad toadd 1 to all of the lettersfrom"ebuz"several times until I got"spin", but surely there was some way to actually knowthe amount you needed to add, right?
Why do they all so easily accept Zero telling them that nobody else is the wards.
>>343641057
>english carlos
>english junpei
>those english eric and akane crazy scenes
I'll stick with the nip voices thank you very much
>>343641956
>Gab comes out of the same vent,
No he doesn't. I checked the cutscenes again. there are two different vents on opposite sides of the lounge.
>>343643032
at this point is irrelevant, but the answer is no.
>>343642901
I thought my game glitched, and I jumped ahead or skipped a scene accidentally. I even stopped the game to double check.
>>343643171
Probably.
Young Sigma is the best MC, by the way.
>>343642585
I like it!
>>343627440
21 but I did waste a lot of time rewatching cutscenes to find the force quit passwords that weren't there
>>343643228
They checked all the rooms they can access and there's no one.
>>343643228
Remember the on theory about going to sleep on Sunday and flipping a coin? Basically that.
new thread where
>>343643224
You get a card with the word "spin" on it by doing something with the armors iirc.
>>343643224
you have to look at the table of the roulette, there's a note with letters and you can see them matching the disposition of the numbers of the table
Post yfw...I have a request...I didn't spend 10 years as a fireman only to make the wrong decision now
>>343643224
What the fuck anon.You use the positions of the circled numbers and in a note you find a lookup table to obtain the letters required to form SPIN
I think the chartacters make this very clear when they talk.
>>343642649
>You are on a sinking ship that's creaking between scenes, staircases filling with water
>You have an explicit timelimit in which to make your escape
>Play the game or get blown up
In VLR the environment the characters are in isn't actively trying to kill everyone involved. They just have to play along with the AB game and they are fine.
In ZTD there doesn't seem to be much reason to even solve the puzzle rooms, as the characters could just let the 90 minutes pass up. Of course, we can't have that, but from the player's point of view there isn't much incentive for anything. You're basically just going through the motions, checking each possible choice just to see if you can get some new story elements or another bad ending. This was similar for VLR, where the betray/ally aspect was basically only to give the game more (bad) endings.
In 999 you also weren't in directly charge of the other character's fate, so the bad stuff that happened in the story didn't feel like artificial padding. This, I feel, gives the better incentive to do the right thing because they want everyone to get out alive.
>>343643224
The blackjack has circled numbers. A note maps the blackjack numbers to letters (Gives you NISP or something, and another gives you the correct order of the numbers. Didn't see that last one, ended up guessing words from the letters (SNIP, PINS, PNIS, etc).
>>343643367
where did they hide the wheelchair?
>>343643287
The vents are just a wall projections.
>>343627440
26 hours
Places where I wasted time:
-heart puzzle
-couldn't read the potatoes because I didn't find the iodine for a while
-took me an embarassingly long time to see the numbers on the capsules
-took me a while to decide to roll the dice for the third time
-I didnt get all executions in order to unlock some Q team scenes
Just got stuck in really stupid stuff...
>>343637117
Let's say you have a simply 4 digit base 13 number like 123(11). You calculate it by multiplaying the value with the base by the power of the position of the number:
(1x13^3)x(2x13^2)x(3x13^1)x(11x13^0)
Simple math.
>>343642931
One thing I just can't overlook when talking about 999 is how bad the gameplay is. Without an ending guide there's a huge chance you're gonna find yourself redoing all the puzzles multiple times. Sadly they didn't come up with the idea of a password system until VLR got released.
>>343643647
>(1x13^3)x(2x13^2)x(3x13^1)x(11x13^0)
Should of course be
>(1x13^3)+(2x13^2)+(3x13^1)+(11x13^0)
typo
>>343643542
They are not, Gab enters one on the left side of the lounge and leaves one on the right side.
>>343643647
Anon, when you have to do something like that you should know that you are on the wrong track.
>>343636712
I did the same thing, but I'm more of a retard.
I knew about the machine, but I didn't know how to use it.
Could anyone explain that machine to me now?
>>343643953
How refreshing would it be if a game would actually ask you to do some highschool level math to solve a puzzle?
>>343644196
You literally imput the 2000 number in the bottom row. And it outputs it in base 13 in the vertical row.
>>343644196
Put the 5 digits in base-10 alienspeak on the horizontal, literally just copy the 4 digits in base-13 alienspeak on the vertical.
>>343644365
>>343644390
The five numbers were 11, 11, 11, 7, 3 though. The 11s weren't on the base 10 wheel.
>>343640391
>status screen shows phi and q alive after their birth
>>343641554
>Lifting the wheelchair up the spiral staircase so that Delta wouldn't get caught in the grenade launcher blast.
>>343644701
That was why I ended up using an online calculator to pass from base-10 to base-13 but you didn't have to input 11 11 11 7 3 but 2 7 9 5 1
>>343644701
you had to do 11x11x11x7x3 and you get about ~2000 then convert that number to base 13 to get the cards.
>>343644948
>>343644862
Oh. Kinda weird. If I was gonna multiply all that stuff anyways I'd just convert it to base 13 myself.
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