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Nier Automata


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>2017
Can't they at least release a demo? God fucking damnit.
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Well it's Squeenix and it's considerably higher profile than all the previous Taro games, so they might release a demo.
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>>343613062
I want 2B with A2 2B honest.
Is it confirmed that you can play with A2?
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>>343615913
Is A2 the shota? If so, yes.
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>2016
>demos

They don't exist anymore, OP.
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>>343615974
No, it's the fuckslut.

>>343616015
FF15 has 2.
Nioh has 2.
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>>343615913
>I want 2B with A2 2B honest.
what? you want /ss/?
>>343615974
the shota is 9S. A2 is not confirmed to be playable
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>>343616067
Oh, right. Well, it seems likely, at least.
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>>343616106
>what? you want /ss/?
I'm too old for that, I fear.
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I know I am crazy for this, but I am hoping they will have something playable at gamescom this year.

>>343616015
They still do, just very rare. Look at Nioh for example.
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>>343613062
I'd love to see a demo for this, but it seems unlikely. I'd pour hours upon hours just replaying the damn thing.
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Is Drakengard some sort of prequel to this?
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>>343617116
Some very weird sort, yes.
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>>343617385
I'm currently playing Nier because I like what I've seen so far of Automata. The story isn't really good so far even though people kept saying it's were the game trumps. I'm in the magical wood with the death dream or whatever so far. I don't even understand what this dream has to do with anything of the game.
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>>343617470
The Text Adventure Woods are basically all huge references to Drakengard or hints at what happened those 1300 years ago.
It will never get really clear unless you read Grimoire Nier, because the games story is not about that. It is about Nier and him trying to save his daughter.
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lol that Drakengard thread got completely skullfucked
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>ps4

Into trash it goes.

I'd a Toobie though.
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>>343620536
>Into trash it goes.
Watcfh it, nerd.
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>>343616067
I hope she's as good as Zero
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game will be garbage. who cares.
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I'm playing Nier and I was expecting robots but I only have shadows.
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>>343621889
Do all sidequests, believe me after your 15th visit to the Junkyard you will never want to see robots again
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>>343621963
I'm 44% done and I'm sick of running from one place to another back again and again and again and again and again.
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Why are you so excited for this?
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>>343617116
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Marry one, get one as sidekick, kill one.
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>>343623625
What did One ever do to you?
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>>343623625
A2, 2B, 9S
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>>343623719
Only logical solution, good job.
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>>343623625
Marry left
Fuck right
Kill middle

The only correct choice.
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>>343623754

can you play as the shota or just the girl?
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>>343617470
Nier's story and characterization is generally worse than Drakengard's and relies on cheap "muh daughter" droning to keep it going. Unfortunately both Dad Nier and Yonah are shallow as fuck, so it works pretty badly.
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>>343616067
>>343615913
It's confirmed
Also holy fuck she's gorgeous. Already one of my fav designs in all vidya
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>>343623864
both
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>>343623920
She's the prettiest, I agree but
>one of my fav designs in all vidya
Really? Long white haired girl with blue eyes? Can't you find that everywhere?
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Everything looks so good about this. This game is impossible to shitpost.
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>>343623954
Do I have to play as shota? I don't really want to.
>>343624007
>Everything looks so good about this.
The lack of caring about getting hit, no stunds or whatsoever is kinda stupid.
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>>343623880
Yeah Nier 1 and Drakengard have terrible gameplay and their story is only subpar.

If you're hype for Automata just go read the let's plays on them.

Nier's story isn't that good and with garbage gameplay there's no point to put yourself through that.

The Dark Id LP gives you the full story you need to know, and he links the music from the game when it's being played, so get on that to prepare for this.
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>>343624072

Probably sometimes. Why are so such a faggot about it?
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>>343623985
How the fuck does an unreleased game have this much high-quality fanart already?
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>>343623985
>Can't you find that everywhere
Don't just reduce her to just her hairs and eyes, it's like saying all characters with black hairs are the same
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Why are war robots looking like
SEXY
FEMALE HUMANS
IN SUGGESTIVE OUTFITS
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>>343624136
>How the fuck does an unreleased game have this much high-quality fanart already?
It's not like the franchise is new.
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Apparently there's dual wielding in the game and, you can have a different weapon in each hands

Makes me wonder how it'll work when the weapons' moves are completly different from each others.
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>>343624093
>someone will fall for this
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>>343624237
I sometimes forget that Nier is really popular in Japan.
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>>343624223
Why would you create any robots that aren't complete badasses or that look like sexy females in suggestive oufits?
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>>343624270
She's going to be super edgy, isn't she? Well, can robots even be edgy?
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>>343624274
Anons are bad at baiting. It's too soon after the last thread
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>>343624307
>Nier is really popular in Japan

It isn't really.
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>>343613062
>PS4 exclusives
>NOT delayed until 2017

In your dreams
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>>343624389
It was voted like the best PS3 game by Famitsu readers or something.
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>>343624308
Maybe I'm not aiming to bait a horde of horny teenagers with cheap sexualization.
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My only real problem with Drakengard are the crossbow archers
Fuck those guys
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>>343624524
He was always sexualized
Just saying.
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>>343624498
>taking polls seriously
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>>343624524
Fuck off
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>2016+1
>Payshit4 with smartphone hardware
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>>343623625
Fuck middle, marry middle kill the others
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>>343613062
Name one Yoko Taro game with a demo

Protip: you can't
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>>343624560
Arnold was never "sexualized", he was the definition of strong and perfect male of his generation. Strong enough to be a terminator.

Not some sissy bitch in skimpy goth loli outfit pretending to be a Toobie the badass robutt.

>>343624584
>dumb /v/ermin got nothing to say

Well of course you are underage and dumb as rock.
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>>343624738
>he was the definition of strong and perfect male of his generation
Well guess which other characters have the same definition.
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>>343624738
What is your purpose in this thread? To flaunt your opinions? We heard you the first time. To stir up shit? Nobody is falling for it. If by now you get triggered by cute women in games, you should know to avoid Japanese games. What more do you want? There are games made for you. Fuck off and play those. Childish self-centered fuck.
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>>343624916
>>343624953
Let's not ruin another thread. With off topic arguing
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>>343624953
You type and communicate as exactly the type of trash that can't stand entertainment not intended for him. A child that whines and cries about why everything in the world isn't intended for him. Keep crying, you baby. Your existence is a joke.
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>>343624857
Clearly not

>sissy goth schoolgirl with floating swords

Clearly not

>shota robutt (for what fucking purpose would you make a battle shota robutt hahahahaha)

Clearly not

>rebellious female robutt who's looking like a cheap taiwanese hooker.

You send battle robots on Earth to rescue it and fight for it, not to make underage /v/irgins fap like a bunch of retards because it clearly shows that low tier fap bait is here to cover the mess.
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>>343613062
>When a F2P game has better graphics

What the fuck, Japan? Are you really this cheap?
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>enjoy the games
>get told it's shit and should watch lps instead
Haven't laughed this hard since somebody tried to degrade me for liking Precure.

I've also completed Venetica which has somewhat similar combat to Drakengard.
Liked it too.
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>>343625172
Who really gives a fuck desu
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>>343625172
>clearly not

Solid arguing there, friend.
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>>343625260
Whatever helps you cope.
It's not an argument and you know I'm right.

The let's play is the same experience minus all the tedious aspects.
If you fail to see this then it's your problem for liking shit.
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>>343625260
Please don't bring up the last thread. It will attract the bait poster again. Lord knows he did a good job
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Learn to report shitposters.
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>>343625386
Lol he's already here, I agree he's best left to shit in a corner though
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>>343625262
>>343625345
Solid no counterarguments

>we like the game cuz it has tons of low tier fanservice with hot babes XDDDD

Typical underage scum.
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>>343625474
Muh dick tho
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>>343625172
So basically you don't take them seriously because they're women, even though they're as idealized as The Terminator. Says a lot about you.
>You send battle robots on Earth to rescue it and fight for it
Because clearly there isn't more to the story, this is only about saving earth and not about the android girls questioning their humanity and feelings they were given like the trailers are saying.

You're again one of those kids who call everything with attractive females "fap bait" because fapping is the only thing you can do in front of such characters.
I'm done with retards like you.
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>>343625450
There are two different bait posters in this one thread
>>343625384
I don't think this is the same guy though. The formatting is too different
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>>343625384
Here's some advice, since clearly you never got any from daddy after he ran out on you:

Neck yourself, you secondary /v/eddit fuck
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>>343625474
yeah
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>>343625543
>So basically you don't take them seriously because they're women, even though they're as idealized as The Terminator. Says a lot about you.

Yeah it says a lot about me, you dumb LGBT SJW scum.
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>>343623362
Can anyone confirm if this timeline is complete? Or is it still missing things?
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>>343625734
Its the gist of things
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>>343625687
>little kid triggered by beauty and sexuality in games calls other SJW
The ironing.
>Basically btfo with no argument left and can only shitpost
So hilarious!
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>>343625543
>Because clearly there isn't more to the story, this is only about saving earth and not about the android girls questioning their humanity and feelings they were given like the trailers are saying.

This could easily happen to MALE ANDROIDS and no one would EVER buy it or care about Taro's shit plot.

Extremely sexualized bitches are here because they will sell the game.

Not anything else.
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>>343624140
Ehh, I guess you are right. Her curves and her facial structure is nice too.
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>>343625795
>beauty
>generic jap fanservice trash

My sides.

How new are you exactly?
I know you are ~15 years old max.
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>>343625832
It happens to 9S who's male you retard.
Taro doesn't do shit to sell, only whatever he likes, despite the sucess of Papa nier clearly saying girls don't sell games especially in the west.
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>>343625795
>Basically btfo with no argument left and can only shitpost
>>343625687
This is true and this already happened in the last thread let's not repeat.
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>>343625474
Please get a trip anon, i love your posts ;^)
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>>343625832
Yeah, nobody likes games about male androids, which is why they didn't make and sell MGR.
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>>343626046
MGR is cyborgs
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Humans are long dead on Earth in Automata, right? I don't see the point in creating sexy robots then. Who's going to get aroused by them?
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>>343626092
Me :/\)
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>>343625897
>jap trash
>saying this on 4chan
>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.
Bye newfag.
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>>343626046
>Yeah, nobody likes games about male androids, which is why they didn't make and sell MGR.

MGR is only popular because it rides on the back of Kojima's games. And Kojimas is a true genius.
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>>343626092
There were peoples in the city.
Not like they look like that for this reason.
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This is what happens when you don't report shitposters.
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>>343626245
MGR was made because Raiden was popular after 4 in the first place.
Nobody cares yeah right.
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>>343625384
Right about what?

It's not a sin to enjoy something, especially not if it doesn't harm anyone.

And what argument am I making?
It's fine if you don't like the game, others just seem a bit tired because you want to push the "go watch/read the let's play" thing down everyone's throat.
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>>343625967
>Taro doesn't do shit to sell, only whatever he likes

Taro is a little japanese faggot who's nowhere near the top of corporate food chain.
His games are messy shit and never make good sales.

That's why they are putting so easily mass marketable stuff in Automata like pathetically obvious hookers to bait underage horny retards like you.

Keep white knighting it for my amusement.
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>>343626245
Posting shad should be a bannable offence.
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>>343613062
I'm glad because it gives me even more time to finally play Nier
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>>343626343
>push the "go watch/read the let's play" thing down everyone's throat.
I took the bait and checked that LP
>It's a fucking TEXT LP
What the fuck. And here I thought peoples didn't like VNs because they aren't games.
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>>343626343
Oh please. I only mentioned it to be helpful in the last thread and people shat all over me for it because /v/ told them my way of thinking was wrong. Then after they lost the debate they declared me a bait poster to feel better about themselves
>>343625384
This is obviously not me
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I'm more hyped for this than for Nioh. I only care more about Persona 5.
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>>343626418
He knows top industry reps (pretty certain he knows Matsuda personally) and that's why he keep getting more and more funding.
Also Nier is his most popular game because it DOESN'T feature a "hooker" as MC, and they all know that. And yet this exist. So your dumb shit doesn't make any sense.
Shut up seriously.
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>>343616595
>just very rare
They're so fucking rare these days Bethesda had to announce the DOOM demo at E3
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Mods are asleep. Any good doujin I should dump?
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>>343626495
That's what made me laugh so hard.

I first thought maybe it had some merit because the lets play guy has a great voice.
Then I saw text and had to laugh.
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>>343626731
>Not being able to read
I guess this explains why everyone hated the LP idea so much
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A2 GAMEPLAY WHEN
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>>343623920
>god tier body
>the face makes her look like a 8 year old.
HOL' UP. She's suppose to be like that? Or am I missing something?
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>>343626661
>more funding

Hello, retardo, his other games are so "niche" and obviously terrible that no one cares about them outside of diehard white knights who think that clinging to something unpopular is a way to go (typical underage mindset).

Automata is his first actual working big game and it's not even his achievement because it's Platinum's game and everyone is seeing it as MGR 2 with hookers in dresses or Female Raiden game.

Shut up already you pathetic weeb. Go watch your autistic cartoons and cry about your ronery life on /r9k/ or whatever LOL
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>>343626813
Are you trying to say I can't read?

If I want to read I pick up Martin the Warrior.
Not a let's play from god knows who
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>>343626971
You should really kill yourself. Your whore mother wouldn't miss you.
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PC ver when
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>>343626996
I was just teasing. I really don't get why a text based LP is so bad. It was made back in like 2008 when that was the more popular format. I've seen this idea before and I was wondering what the basis behind it was
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>>343626847
THIS guy asks the important questions.
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>>343626661
To be fair, many SE directors know Matsuda personally and even let him test their games.
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>>343626092
There's a surviving population on the moon, somehow. Could be a group that bailed while WCS was fucking everything up, a group where the gestalt program didn't go wrong, or they're replicants that figured out a way around the black scrawl.
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>>343627126
It's ok.

I feel opposed to text based LPs because games tend to be visual mediums.
But it depends on the game.
With Hearts of Iron I think a text based may even be better, but not with an action game.
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Just found Number 6 in Nier. That looks so much more creepy than the things in the gameplay video of Automata.
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>>343627310
You're probably right, but I do enjoy the guys commentary at least and it's how I and a lot of other people here were introduced to the series so I think it's worth checking out, but that's just me.
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>>343623920

Does she have a dick?
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>>343624498
All 600 of them. Nier's first week sales were just 60k, which is less than Drakengard 1 did. Drakengard 3 sold twice as much.
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>>343627637
No, she's pure.
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>>343628175

Well, you can't have it all...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq3_phBQA_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARHVKZ5K1b0

This looks too damn good. Just give me the boss as demo battle.
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>>343626253
I think it was mentioned that all/some of them are androids, though.
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When everyone is dead then why does the game happen? What do they fight for?
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>>343629464
Their waifus, anon.
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>>343629776
The waifus fight for themselves?
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>>343623920

>gorgeous

what, she looks like a grandma
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>>343630262
The hell is wrong with you?
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>>343623920
She looks like plastic gook
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>>343626092
I hope they smooth out the animation transitions. The little hitch when they let go of the stick bugs me.
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Yesterday I made a thread and an anon was kind enough to aid in translating some Famitsu scans, and then the thread was archived by the time I F5'd.

Anon, if you're here, I read your translation and thank you!
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>>343630324

I'm an artist and her design is terrible.

She looks like she has bags under her eyes, which are overly small, she has a michael jackson nose and her chin is overly pronounced, her hair is also too big making the face seem even smaller than it is and as a consequence her whole head looks disproportionate, the horrible lighting engine doesn't help either, showing off the terrible polygon count highlighting the shoestring budget.

Meanwhile look at Zero, no extra fluff, simple lines to show the expression and parallax mapping give off a way cuter look without looking like weebshit.
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>>343630780
Yeah well I'm a professional video-game enthusiast and she makes my dick go doki doki.
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>>343630780
I'm a famous person and her design is great.
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>>343630780
I love her eye.

>>343630846
>Doki Doki
Mana da bes
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Spoiler alert!

There are "2 main characters; I kind of think there are 3"

This is because you play as 2B primarily, 9S for some segments, and in a way you also play as Pod 042, since you control him along with 2B. Like Grimoire Weiss, he IS a character with a speaking role, not just a floating turret
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>>343624237
This picture triggers my autism.

A2 is not wearing a black unitard. She is chipped and peeling from age and battle damage, her "dress" is just the black metal undercarriage where her synthetic skin has been worn off.

Confirmed by both Yoshida and Taro.
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They deserve better fate than this.
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>>343630780
Dont start your point with "I'm an artist" like it makes you more right. It just makes you look like a dick. Hell, if you really were an artist you would know art and design is 100% subjective. It's a different thing that you don't like it, and that's alright.
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>>343629963
Such is life.
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>>343631403
I don't know anything about what you just said.
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>>343624007
>This game is impossible to shitpost.
No it's not.

It's confirmed to be incredibly easy by Taro.

I's a platinum game so it will be short.

It's an exclusive.

The characters look gay.
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>>343632818
>The characters look gay.
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>>343632930
They do.
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>>343613062
Two questions:
1) Is it necessary to play Nier to be hyped for Automota/play it?
2) Is it necessary or recommended to play Drakengard to play Nier? (Sidenote: Ace Combat gives me a hard-on)
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>>343633189
No and no.

Though you'll get roasted of /v/ for both your questions.
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>>343633189
No, just read the let's play.
The games are terrible.
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>>343633189
the only good part about most of those games is the story.
just watch them on youtube, starting with drakengard, and you are golden
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>>343633419
>>343633592
>>343633661
I keep seeing Nier in OST threads, and was hoping it would be good.
That's dissapointing.
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>>343633189
As a fellow AC fan I find Drakengard's aerial combat very enjoyable but you don't need to play it or NieR to get into Automata.
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>>343633661
>just watch them on youtube
What is this meme bullshit.
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>>343633730
The
>read the let's play.
Is a meme to derail a thread.

Though the gameplay isn't spectacular.
Arial combat is cool.

Just download a PS2 emulator, download Bios, download Drakengard and judge for yourself.
Nier has better gameplay though.

The OST is gold for all games.
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A2 is my Automatafu 2B honest.
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>>343633754
>>343633991
Copy that.
I'll give it a try once I get the chance.
Thanks anons.
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>>343634708
A2 looks much better than 2B, so that's natural.
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I understand delaying the game in the west but why japan? CoD isn't as big in Japan as it is the USA and both Persona 5/FFXV are released in September.

I think the real reason for the delay is a Nier remaster that may or may not be included with Automata.
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>watch a full lp
>want to play it now

Is it still worth it?
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>>343638118
Definitely.
Nothing compares to the experience of playing it yourself, anon.
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>>343632818

>LE PLATINUM MAKES SHORT GAMES MEME

PC faggot who only played MGR confirmed. Bayonetta 1 is 10 hours long and TW101 is close to 15 hours long. Both of these games, especially the latter, were pretty low budget projects too.
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>>343637415

There was never a confirmed release date before now. There was no delay. The debut trailer didn't even have a release window - just "more information Fall 2015.
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>>343630780
This is why you never get hired, shitty ass artist you are.
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>>343639731
Ignore anti-plat shitposters, they're just looking to derail.

Anyone who was a fan of the original Nier knows that the kind of gameplay Plat makes is a perfect fit for Taro's style, the idea that Plat are shitters who will ruin the game is nonsense.
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>>343637415
Last time Nier was released against FFXIII and it bombed due to the competition.

Squeenix is trying to establish this as a new franchise so they're not gonna release it against their most-hyped current title, they'll wait for the next quarter (post Christmas spending so it won't share purchases with FFXV)
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>>343639731
I've got nothing against Platinum, they make some pretty good games, but the original Nier was longer than both those games put together. I think that might be a worry to some people.
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Mind if I ask a question about the original Drakengard?

Does anyone else feel like Arioch was underused? She hardly gets any screen time even in her own chapter. When she does it's pretty much just to say "Hey I like to eat children" and that's all. Not even her pact beasts get more than a couple lines. At least Leonard, Seere, and their pact beasts actually say and do things. Why did they even bring her along anyway when the first thing she does is try to fucking eat Caim? Is there any side material that helps fill in these gaps?
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>>343642062
Well, she's powerful and as such an useful asset.
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>>343624389
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Nier

It sold pretty well for being a niche game.
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Smart people choose death before war
Smarer people choose to have never been born at all
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>>343642496
>La la la la la~
>La la la la la~
>The watchers~
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Reminder Zero is a horrible person and most of her sisters did nothing wrong.
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Is it acceptable to use a guide during Drakengard to unlock weapons?
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>>343643119
I still like her.
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>>343615524
Drag-on 2 already had a demo.

Terrible game.
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>>343613062
They can't because NieR itself was a flatline mediocre game that just had unique mechanics for it's first release and created a niche even though it was pretty poorly-decently made.
It's the new Dark Souls
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>>343642062
We have that novella from DoD Guide Book which gives her bit of a backstory but I don't think we know anything about her pact partner(s) in detail.

http://drakengard.wikia.com/wiki/Arioch/Novella

>>343643132
I don't think you'll be able to find the weapons in the expedition mode without looking up so, feel free.
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>>343642043
I don't think that's because Plat is INCAPABLE of making long games, but that they actively choose not to.

Plat's worlds are very densely-packed by design.

We've only seen one real attempt at an RPG-like world by Plat, which is Transformers Devastation, and the game was maybe 5 hours long but it literally only had the budget for two levels (you played each one twice, plus two little side-missions on a bridge).

What we've seen of the world so far suggests there will be a multitude of large worlds (probably 4-5 at minimum) that have towns and sidequests which will likely stretch the game length out substantially. When the world isn't a bent-up hallway with fights every 15 feet the game goes much slower.

Duration isn't what we should look at from Plat games, but content quantity, and from that perspective their games are enormous. They're just designed to be over in an afternoon so they can be replayed frequently without padding, rather than to cover a long stretch of time to help pace a more developed story

If that doesn't put your mind at ease, bear in mind Taro's stated process for writing Nier A is to look at the budget, ask Plat how many levels they can squeeze out of that budget, and then write the story to fill that space, meaning it's Taro behind the size/length of the game and he's maximizing it as much as possible.
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I wonder if they're going to announce the PC version before the PS4 version launches like they did with star ocean.
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>>343643372
The game was made with less than 20 people you dumb fuck. That's impressive
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>10 hour game you will replay five+ times
>Or a 30 hour game you will never replay

99% of people will get this choice wrong!!
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>>343643534
What's the point? You just want a sanction to shit up the fanbase. PCucks never buy games unless its super heavily marketed.

It has a better chance of getting good sales if ported to Wii U/ NX and Xbone.
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>>343644096
Woah, you're telling me the third installment in a heavily story driven VN that doesn't have the prequels on steam sells like shit because people don't want to get into the it without knowing what the fuck is actually going on? Fuck off shitposter, I can cherrypick aswell.
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>>343644363
Nice job proving me right. 5 dollars and less than a million sales. What a PCuck.
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I want zero to be the mother of my children!
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>>343644480
It sold more than Nier and devs get more money for selling games on steam since they don't have to pay any licencing costs to some big ass company. Thanks for proving me right retarded console cuck.
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>>343644026
Sort of like Kirby or Mario for the GB.
Replayed those game a ton of times.

>>343644363
>steam
I wonder how much they earn with just trading cards on the marketplace.
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>>343644687
>But if G-Gaben gives SE a portion of those 5 dollars they'll get significant profit.
They'll be able to afford more hamburgers for a while for sure.
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>>343644096
How much does porting of a VN cost?
Can't be that much.

It's probably a success.
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>>343631591

He asked me, I answered, suck my dingaling.
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>>343643567
Wowee anon less than 20 people!
Impressive for a game that just relies on generic hack'n'slash and boring combat.
that final boss was amazing, hitting a cookbook for 3 hours.
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>>343639930

great argument breh
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>>343626092
I thought they were created by a human colony in stasis in space and they were sent down to see if the planet was habitable yet.
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>>343645139
weak
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No one else sees the similarities between everything in this world and Emil. Christ even the main characters look like him.

Every fucking enemy has his weird skeleton head ffs.

Calling the story now; because Emil is immortal he's been building this weird Robot world for years.
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>>343626429
it is dude, rarely any shad threads pop up thanks to that
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>>343645517
The enemies are from alien origen.
They worship emil as a god of death
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>>343645878
>implying living machines are not fueled with replicants memories
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>>343645517
It has been discussed a million times already in every single Nier thread though.
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so if I'm new to these games I should play Nier first before Automata comes out, right? I'm kinda hesitant to play Drakengard because "intentionally painful to play" doesn't sound exactly like my cup of tea
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>>343647323
Try it out.
It's free with an emulator.

You won't need to play Nier.
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>>343642264

You would think they'd ditch her after Seere joins just to be safe.

>>343647323

I feel like a weirdo for actually finding Drakengard kind of fun to play up until I did the Free Expeditions where you have to kill every fucking enemy on the map pretty much to clear them. That's only if you want to get Ending E though and if you really don't want to do the grind then you could download a save with all the weapons collected after you reach Ending D. If you do the grind then seriously, use a guide cause some of those weapons are impossible to find otherwise.

The air combat is actually fairly fun and the quality of the ground combat is dependent on how much you like the Square button.

>>343647628

It might not be necessary but I'd say it's highly recommended.
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>>343613062

Just play the fuckin' game when it comes out man

Personally I want at least one Drakengard related game that isn't rushed
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>>343616015

Monster Hunter Demo came out two days ago

>>343624136

Passionate fanbase
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>>343624223

Literally because created by pervs

>>343624371

90% sure she's No. 2 from YoRHa

So yeah, she's probably pissed as fuck at the world.
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>>343626996

Fuck yeah, Redwall.
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>>343645517
I've never been in these threads before and just started playing Nier and even I see the similarities, m8. I couldn't stop thinking about it.
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>>343629464

Humans are alive on the moon. Go read the YoRHa summary or watch a recording if you can speak moon.
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>>343633189
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>>343642062

Why she's eats kids isn't even clarified until the DoD3 weapon story. It's a shame, to be sure.

>>343643119

>Didn't play the last branch
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>>343632818
>I's a platinum game so it will be short.
No. They already confirmed there's an Ending A so there'll be at LEAST 2, if not 4, endings in total to carry tradition
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>>343624667
But Platinum is developing it as well, and they have demos for TW101, Bayonetta and MGR
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>>343648473
>I feel like a weirdo for actually finding Drakengard kind of fun to play up until I did the Free Expeditions where you have to kill every fucking enemy on the map pretty much to clear them. That's only if you want to get Ending E though and if you really don't want to do the grind then you could download a save with all the weapons collected after you reach Ending D. If you do the grind then seriously, use a guide cause some of those weapons are impossible to find otherwise.
>The air combat is actually fairly fun and the quality of the ground combat is dependent on how much you like the Square button.

I actually enjoyed it but I'm largely immune to tedium for whatever reason

I did hate the red enemies though.
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>>343650032
The fact that your party members' magic doesn't count as magic for some reason makes them a lot more bearable.
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>>343649554
what
is pretty clear in her missions
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>>343650407

It didn't come across to me. At least not the thought process behind it.
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I liked how the endings to Drakengard highlighted the letter they were in the title of the ending. Do any of the other games do that? I don't remember Nier even having titles for the endings which is a shame. Still have yet to play 2 or 3 but I have 3 sitting next to my PS3 which I'll get around to soon.

>>343650032

I'm glad to hear there are others like me in that regard. I guess as long as I'm making any sort of progress towards a goal I'm good.

And yeah, fuck those red enemies.

>>343650307

I kept forgetting about that. I hardly ever used my party members or the dragon cause I wanted kills for my weapons.

Speaking of which, how long of a grind would it be to level up all the weapons to level 4? After I'm done with the rest of the games and still waiting for Automata I might just go and do that for all the weapon stories. Doesn't feel the same reading them online as it does unlocking them for me.
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So, the little robot is like Weiss?
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>>343642043
>>343643510
People are saying this like Platinum are entirely in charge of the core game design, when we know Taro and Squeenix have the bulk of creative control and Platinum have core gameplay at the very most.
The game will be like your standard Taro affair with a ton of story padded with grinding. The only difference is that the grinding combat might actually be really good fun because of Platinum's input. Worst case scenario, they don't bring their A-game and it's merely above average for Taro-game combat instead of outright fantastic. I don't know why everyone is so worried.
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>>343613062
As was discovered some time ago, demos cost more than viral marketing and hype and can serve to make people not blindly buy a game, were it to be bad, or an individual not interested in the game.

There are considerably more people who will buy a game without concrete knowledge of it than there are people who will not buy it without, so giving us a demo is foolish from an economic perspective.
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>>343650981
I don't think so. I think the other games just say "Ending A/B/C/D".
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>>343651045

There's a white one and a black one

Just saying
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>>343650981
I think the best way to grind up weapons was to just grind the first or second level in the game over and over, and at minimum you have to beat a level 4 times just for 1 weapon because experience doesn't overflow.

So if you know how long it takes you to kill everything in a big map once, multiply that by 4, then multiply that by how many weapons you have left.
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>>343650981
>I don't remember Nier even having titles for the endings which is a shame.

I thought they did but I can't remember them so maybe that's bullshit
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>>343651045
Can it talk? Is that already confirmed?
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>>343650981
>Speaking of which, how long of a grind would it be to level up all the weapons to level 4? After I'm done with the rest of the games and still waiting for Automata I might just go and do that for all the weapon stories. Doesn't feel the same reading them online as it does unlocking them for me.

You'll still be doing it when the stars fall to earth and wipe the memory of mankind from the universe

Really though it takes a long fucking time
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>>343623625
Not trying to be SJW but in media where girls wear skin-tight outfits with buttcrack, breastcrack and pubic windows why is there usually never even an attempt to sexualize guys in the same manner?
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>>343651703
Nier MC was pretty sexualized too even though his face was buttugly.
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>>343651703
you mean like a dick window? because otherwise, I'd say there are a lot of sexualized male characters
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>>343651703

I need sexualized Caim images
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I'm just here for the 2b upskirts
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>>343623625

I didn't think I was a hips guy until I saw 2A

God DAMN Yoshida do you know how to draw a woman.
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>>343652207
For (you).
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>buy drakengard 3 + jp voice
>fucking Não Toyama raping my ears

Pretty good
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So, what are the chances of 2B being a sexbot since Taro himself called her outfit slutty?
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>>343652337
Imaging putting your hands around her hips and making out with her.
>>343652373
>JP voices cost 5.-€
Fucking why.
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>>343652450
Explain the need of a sexbox when there are no humans anymore on the planet?
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>>343652453
SE are the oriental jews
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>>343651703
Papa Nier's outfit is borderline bondage gear.
I really doubt Taro cares much either way.
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>>343651583
It can talk but it doesn't sound like it'll be as fun a partner as Weiss. It's been compared more to a car's GPS.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/11/08/ps4-exclusive-nier-automata-gets-a-lot-of-info-on-gameplay-music-yorha-2b-origins-and-much-more/
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>>343652663
Who was in charge of designing his face? It's so damn ugly.
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>>343652562
There are humans on the Moon, though.
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>>343652347

Is she adjusting her boot

That's literally my fetish
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>>343652748
And she travels to her clients on the moon all the time? That sounds silly.
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>>343652562

Moon people
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>>343651878
Not to this extent, though.
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>>343652891

I think the idea would be that she's a repurposed sexbot

That's now what she is though, she's clearly the finished product from the experiments done with No. 2 and crew in YoRHa. And 2A is No. 2.

2A -> Prototype model of No 2.
2B -> Finished model of No. 2
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>>343652957
Man, she was kinda ugly. Her breasts looked extremely fake, she should have worn different panties.
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>Called Nier
>Nier isn't even there

For what purpose? and it's not even a recognized game so im sure its not brand recognition
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>>343652957
Kaine's outfit is literally about her expressing her femininity. SJWs ought to eat that shit up if they actually played it.
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>>343652957

Technically not a female character
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>>343653072
>repurposed sexbot
I guess she was engineered for S&M.
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>>343651703
Yoko Taro specified he wanted the designs so that people would want to cosplay as them.
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>>343653096
Nier isn't even anyone's name. We default to calling the protagonist of the game Nier because that's the title of the game.
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>>343653096
>2B was Nier all along
What a twist.
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>>343630780
>I'm an artist

So am I. I do doodles. That makes me an artist. Sorry bra. Great design.
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>>343653096

Why don't you wait to play it and find out

>Implying the Gestalt is dead
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>>343653243
>Nier isn't even anyone's name.
Wasn't it mentioned in Nier in the dreams?
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>>343653243

No, that's his canon name.

When I read your post at first I thought you were making a joke about ending D
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>>343652957
Say what?
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>>343653243
It is
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>>343652453
>Imaging putting your hands around her hips and making out with her.

I'm melting just thinking about it
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>>343638259
>warranty void if removed
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This games looks cool, will buy once it hits Steam
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>>343653986
>kind personality
I always thought he would be emo.
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>>343653913
Thanks
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>>343653830

>YoRHa No.2 Type B

I WAS FUCKING RIGHT

Where is this from?
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>>343627169
You should go back to memewatch threads, they are clearly more suitable for you, kid.
remember to report cancer, you too can help clean this game from the influx of platinumshitters such as this boy.
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>>343654137
https://www.platinumgames.com/games/nier-automata/
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>>343654232
>A vortex...of the past and hatred.
Super edge confirmed.
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>>343654232
>skinny top
>big bottom

disgusting

go full thiccc or just stay all skinny
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>>343654372
Anon, small tits and a tight ass combined with juicy thighs is the best combo out there.
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>>343654232

LITERALLY No. 2 FROM YoRHa

I am excited
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>>343654532
She isn#t small chested.
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>>343654674
Those are B's, tops.
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>>343653986
>Type S(hota)
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>>343654625
Anon, impersonal designations are my fetish too!
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>>343654330
The question here is: will she manage to surpass 2B edginess?
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>>343655485
Maybe she just isn't meant 2B
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>>343655656
How many bad puns are we going to hear once it's released?
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>>343655485
Why is 2B supposed to be edgy, again? Because of katanas and stoicism, or because she's a Taro protagonist?
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>>343655815
It's going 2B a lot more.
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>>343655656
Maybe... Maybe she is just 2Beautiful
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>You have to play as the short haired girl.
Ugh.
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>>343620536
XD 2B XD BROKEN ENGLISH LOl
Fuck off if youve nothing to contribute, nigger
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>>343656148
>You have to be a faggot
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>>343656091
It's 2Bad she ain't real
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>>343656148
>you have to play as a cute short haired girl
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>Develop a rich open world, crafted with the closest attention to detail, and populated with a diverse set of NPC's and enemy types
>Game is only 5 hours long

T-thanks, Platinum
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>>343652710
In the translated leaks from the opening scene storyboards, he cracks wise.

Just very deadpan.

>Pod 042: I was instructed to assist you with artillery support
>A2: ...I didn't ask for this
>Pod 042: Affirmative: A request from A2 has not been received.

He's a smartass little R2D2esque motherfucker
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>>343656642
>5 hours
Nier or Replicant? How can I Replicant? Is it Japan only?
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>>343655939
Yes, because of all those and dual wielding.
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>>343622123
KUWATAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaa
CHIOWAATOOYAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa

[distant wailing on percussion]
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>>343624223
If you had a chance to make a robot, why wouldn't you make them as sexy as possible?
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>>343623625

Marry 2B
Sidekick 2B
Kill 2B
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>>343656842
Might as well call anyone who uses weapons ever edgy.
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>>343656921
I guess your love is just meant 2B
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>>343642062
She's best girl that wasn't Angelus
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>>343656642
>5 hours long
>finally fun gameplay
>20 variations in NG+

I'm fine by this. Loved short games with lots of replayability
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>>343643251
>Terrible game.
No
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>>343656913
now post the horse face
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>>343656913

Oh god
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>>343657130
he's just shitposting anyway, he posts that in every thread
and the game was confirmed 2 B similar length to the original Nier
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>>343656752

Neither, he's anti-platinum memeing

Replicant is JP only but effectively the same game anyways, just with a slightly edgier bishie protag
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>Between combat phases there will be exploration phases, and contrary to what the trailer might make you think, there won’t be only action. On top of the action, there will be adventure, dialogue with characters, puzzle solving and story progression.
Man, I hope the puzzles aren't as shitty as they were in the first game. They were literally fucking babymode.
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>>343656642
>Grinding in a Taro game becomes bearably brief
You fucking wish
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>>343654232
>>343653830
How are these outfits gonna protect these characters from their enemies?

Ughh Japanese devs, always so late to global design trends
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>>343657450
I heard it was confirmed 2 D.
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>>343657520

I need another sound novel section

I know it won't happen, let me have my dreams.
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>>343656938
She is a japanese cute girl that fights robots with big ass swords while wearing a tiny skirt and high heels, man. On top of that she wears a blindfold. I think edgy is a good word to describe her.
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>>343613062
>Saito-san cannot promise that the game will have a demo, because he wouldn’t want to disappoint people, but it’s something they’ll consider in their planning, so there might be one if no problem arises.
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>all these poorly baits
haha nice one
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>>343657684
>wearing a tiny skirt and high heels, man.

What's edgy about this?

Also she's not Japanese, she's a robot from the moon.
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>>343626847
damm them boots
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>>343657684
>a japanese cute girl that fights robots with big ass swords while wearing a tiny skirt and high heels
None of that is edgy.

>On top of that she wears a blindfold
It's a visor.

But what do I know. She's clearly an edgy cuck with forced gameplay.
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>>343657684
>On top of that she wears a blindfold.
>The reason why you can’t see her eyes is a very important part of the story, so Yoko-san can’t reveal it. Saito-san mentioned that it has nothing to do with Emil’s petrifying gaze from NieR.
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>nier threads aren't comfy now
>literally full of shitty shitpost
it was fun til it lasted
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>The fact that YoRHa 2B’s weapons don’t touch her back but just float behind her has a very peculiar reason. Her swords have their own magnetic fields, and that’s important in the gameplay. They can be used as swords, but also thrown like shuriken.
HYPE.
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>>343658062
We've already seen in some videos her just throwing her weapons at enemies in combos, then they disappear and reappear on her back.
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>>343657802
Nothing wrong, man, I like that too in my chinese cartoons. The designs by Yoshida are pretty anime and perhaps thats why I assossiate them with nipland. But believe me when I tell you that I love all of the edginess of her design.
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>>343658285
It isn't edgy though. At best it's gothic.
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>>343658285

I ain't saying it's bad or anything, but short skirts and heels are not edgy
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>E3 2016 GAMEPLAY video
>all the do is talk and stand around all the time then fight 2 monsters and stand 10 times the fightning time
T-Thanks.
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>>343658062

That fucking walk cycle

I wish her hand wouldn't clip through her skirt though
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>>343630780
>I'm an artist
>uses weebshit

invalidated
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>>343649436
shitty chart edgy humor is normie tier meme now
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>>343649436
drakengard 2 is underrated
>>
>2nd Nioh demo in August
>FF15 at the end of September that I might not even buy
How am I supposed to make it through?
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>>343658285
literally muh dick: the character
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>>343658496
Watch the PS Underground gameplay
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>>343658795
>webm
That's exactly the shitty trailer I'm talking about. Only the end featured some gameplay.
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>>343658397
Goth... What? Why? Because of the latex, crow feathers and black color. Muh dick!!!!
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>>343652347
post moar high res pics
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>>343623362
>>343617116
The only thing missing is the incredibly obvious but not officially stated fact that DoD3's Ending C results in Zero turning into the dimension/timeline hopping Beast Queen.
>>
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>>343653270
>AB is female nier
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>>343617470
You'll feel like an idiot for not understanding the the Forest of Myth when all's said and done. The part 2 of that area is so damn intense and is the big hint to the NG+ playthroughs.
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Why would humans settle down on the fucking Moon instead of Mars or leaving the system?
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>>343657328

As you command.
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>>343617740
The later isn't true, the finale of that area is very understandable if you pay attention and do quests and shit.
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>>343622123
Part 1 use the boar. Part 2 use the boat.
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This is the best boss fight in video games, and Four is the best intoner.

These are facts.
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>>343654137
fucking right about what?
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>>343659258
Thanks, whenever I fap to her 2B cosplay I won't be able to do so without that face.
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>>343654075
emil clone then?
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>>343659232

Because they want Earth back
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>>343659460


>>343653072
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>>343659258
i want to kiss her
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>>343659589
Why were they forced to retreat?
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>>343659447

Close there m8 but 2 is clearly the best intoner. You must have mixed up the numbers. 4 is the racist prude.
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>>343659775

Because of WCS. It was just a different solution than the Gestalt program. And then later there were aliens.
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>>343659762

You sure about that?
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>>343659832
>racist
She was also right.
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>>343660056
God gave her the wrong aspect ratio
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>>343623920
>Also holy fuck she's gorgeous. Already one of my fav designs in all vidya
that's not 2B
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>>343659832
4 is pure.
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>>343657668
She's a machine. What you think is exposed flesh is really just a squishy layer on top of cold, hard machinery.

Also take your bait somewhere else. These waters are all fished out.
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Iron Dragon's Daughter should have a video game adaption
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>>343653096
>yfw Nier himself becomes an integral part of the game's plot somehow
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>>343660668

After last night it'll be a good week before there's anything significant to catch in here
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>>343660890
>mfw Caim makes his debut as the Red Eye and he's the final boss
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>>343659135

Is that a spear? I fucking love spears.
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>>343661151

what happened?
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>>343661193

Yes yes ye syes ye sy se yes yes yse


YES

YSE

YES

YSE

YES

YES

THIS PLEASE
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>>343661291
Looks more like a mighty katana that was folded a through thousand times that can cut through steel.
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>>343661304

A three-hour multi-hundred-post anal apocalypse. That's all I'm going to say for fear of stirring it up again.
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>>343661291
Claws/Fists, the thing on her back is a broadsword and pretty much the beastlord from Nier.
But there could be spears since the first nier had them
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>>343661193
Does anybody have the "caim rhymes with murder" pic
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>>343661554

Could have sworn I did but now I can't find it
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>>343661715
I thought I had it too, but couldn't find it.
weird.
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>>343661554
>>343661715
here
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>>343662127

Clearly Caim has moved to the recycle bin where he can murder things and no one will notice
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>>343662169

Thanks
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>>343617740
I enjoyed the Forest of Myth more than I should have.

It was the cheapest part of Nier, but something about the music and style of writing made it one of the more emotional moments for me.
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>>343624270
>Apparently there's dual wielding in the game and, you can have a different weapon in each hands
Really? Never bothered with more than the spear in the first Nier. Wonder how they'll mix it up.
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>>343662664

>The bit with the torn dress
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I want to pet 2B and make her attack people I don't like, then pet her for doing a good job.

A2 is for personal cum dumpster.
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>>343658974
No latex

Her outfit is velvet.

Yoshida specified this and Plat groaned about how hard it was to get velvet materials to light correctly.
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>>343660890
Hate to break it, but it's confirmed by Saito and Taro that Nier, Yonah, and Kaine do NOT appear in the story, though it's likely they'll be referenced.

The only returning main character is Emil.
>>
>>343664060

Doesn't mean he won't be important

Caim didn't appear in Nier 1 but he was still important.
>>
>>343664185
Now that could be.

Though given what (we think) we know about the story it's not exactly likely.
>>
Drakengard in PS Vita when
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>>343625253
>good graphics shit game play
>ok graphics good game play

indeed
>>
>>343664750
The Digital Extremes engine is also like, weirdly performant.

It's not as black-magic as MT Framework but it runs surprisingly well on toaster-tier hardware.
>>
>>343613062
Is it multiplayer? Looks like someone's with you all the time.
>>
Out of curiosity, what are your favorite tracks from Nier 1?

>Shadowlord's Castle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nILZnnzLSc

>Wretched Automatons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4VA8furPFs

>Yonah - piano version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2GGhm9No0k

>Grandma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUzBQbajbvQ
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>>343665041
It's not.
>>
>>343665041
No, 9S is an AI party member, and the Pod is part of your control scheme (like Kazooie to your Banjo)
>>
>>343665081
I like that remix by weg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA--BRrX_x0

Anons who like NieR's OST might wanna check weg's and Kashiwa Daisuke's works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kofmDnZfxMw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0FXnYpmy60
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>>343665081
The Ultimate Weapon and Blu-Bird.
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I guess this thread is as good a place as any to re-dump the Storyboard translations

>All […] has been lost.

2B(?): What are your instructions.

>While […]ing, she responds.

Operator 60: O-operator to 2B.
Operator 60: Rendezvous with the Area Director, 9S, and scout for information on the terrain.

2B: Copy.

>Flying at high speed within the Junk Heap.

>As she advances forward, the walls on either side get narrower and she dodges gate after gate as they begin to close.

050_HD_a
>※ 2B’s aerial equipment is nearly completely destroyed by the exploding gates and she discards it while in mid-air.

>With a seemingly heavy voice, a massive volume of recovery information is displayed.

Pod 042: Ho229 equipment has received massive damage.
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>>343665081

Kaine Salvation

Song of the Ancients
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>[…] reaches for a camera.

>[…] with a […]-like figure sits a boy (9S).

>[…] in front of the screen.

9S: […] Even if I give you oil, I can’t become family with a robot~~~

>[…] gets his attention and he looks up to the sky.

>9S folds up the screen and stands.

9S: So, it’s begun, huh……

>Pan up to […]

>The YoRHa squadron appear like shooting stars as they descend.

>Upon the backdrop of the sky appears the title:

NieR:Automata

>0_S0120_GM_b
>※ 9S walks back to his aerial unit.

Operator 210: Operator 210 to 9S. Do you read me?

9S: I hear you loud and clear~~~

Operator 210: The descent mission has begun.
Operator 210: Please locate the enemy quickly.
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>>343624136
Why does she have the Cybran logo from the SupCom games on her chest?
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>>343665582

Please spoiler them if you don't mind, I don't wanna know until I play the game.
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>>343665749
Sorry, I will.

Though this is the last one.

And for what it's worth, they're not LEAKS, this is stuff shown in (Japanese-only) trailer footage at the concert.

Pod 042: Startup of Designated Number A2 confirmed.

Pod appears floating above and at A2’s side.

Pod 042: Good morning, A2.

3010_S0020_GM
※ Conversation between A2 and Pod, Toward the Desert

A2: What……are you?

Pod 042: I am the Attending Support Unit “Pod 042”
Pod 042: My purpose is to provide artillery support for YoRHa Unit: A2.

A2: I never……asked for that.

Pod 042: Affirmative: A request from A2 has not been received.


[…]

Pod 042: […] the last command from 2B […]
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>>343630780
>I'm an artist

stopped reading here
>>
>>343625253
Man, i play a lot of warframe and i love it, but you are fuckin retard bro.
>>
Anyone else think Caim wasn't Red Eye and just stayed dead when he was shot down? I know there's a picture with a Legion commander doing a pose that resembles him which is sometimes posted, but I looked it up and it's actually just something the Dark Id made for his Nier LP.
>>
>>343667864

Fairly sure Caim is the first Red Eye

I think it mentions something about there being two bodies, the beast and Red Eye. Also the fact that it keeps gunning for Angelus.
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>>343653096
It's a curse. - Yoko Taro
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>>343668393
I mean, I kinda get where you're coming from, but weren't the groups that kept attacking and eventually destroyed the research facility holding the dragon's body unrelated to the Legion?
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>>343669591
Timeline says "group of unknown people" if the translation is correct. It's just that we don't know what happened to Caim after he got shot down with Angelus and Red Eye seems to be fitting for his character so a lot of people assume that Red Eye is Caim. It's just a theory.
>>
Angelus is for _____
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>>343671476
Warming.
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