Why are there no good female video game villains?
Glados and Kerrigan come to mind.
Who cares if one is a AI.
>>343570041
Killzone Mercs has a 10/10 female villain
>Actually evil
>bureaucratic evil
>feels like some one you don't want to piss off too
Her death scene was fucking great
I WANT TO DESTROY THOSE LIPS WITH MY TONGUE
Also, lots of Final Fantasy games, including Tactics.
>>343570041
Maybe after ten thousand years we'll have one.
Phillippa Eilhart is easily the best villain in the Witcher series.
>>343570539
OP said villain.
Kerrigan was manipulated into becoming what she was, essentially a victim, and then when she was cured she was a hero.
Glados was a victim as well.
>>343570041
because women can no longer be portrayed in a negative way
>>343570539
>Glados
>A woman
Pick one
>>343570041
>>343570539
remember the meme cunts but you forget the greatest female villain of all time SHODAN. Kids these days.
QUEEN SECTONIA
Those are some nice cells you have, be a shame if something happened to them.
>>343571704
it was one
Who is Gruntilda?
>>343570041
Andariel, she was beautiful
Ahem, the Dark Queen.
>>343570041
Except there are.
>>343570539
Glados isn't really a woman but sure. Kerrigan was too big of a mary sue to be a good anything.
>>343571226
>Phillippa
>not Letho
>>343574263
But Kreia wasn't really a 'villain'. TOR can fuck itself.
>>343570041
For good or bad, most people (male and female) prefer playing games with male characters. Not only the protagonist, but also the antagonist.
I don't agree with it and I prefer stories with females. But sales figures don't lie. Across the board, games, movies and books that focus on females tend to have a harder time getting an audience. Even Pixar saw a huge drop off in ticket sales when they made Brave.
Japan at least tries to have female protagonists and antagonists more than the west. But still very much a minority. Girls are still mostly seen as eye candy in Japan. Which is still better than in the west, where women have to be more butch and bland than the men.
Cackletta in M&L: SSS was good.
Every time someone makes this thread though, it makes me realize that there really aren't a whole lot of good female villains.
>>343570539
>Kerrigan in SC1 + BW
>absolute badass manipulative bitch, a little new to the zerg thing, but learns quickly
>Kerrigan in SC2
>sad mary sue with a heart of gold
The Starcraft saga should have ended with Jim Raynor, Artanis, and Zeratul putting Kerrigan the Bitch queen of blades down and dismantling the zerg.
>>343574263
I'd call Kreia a "force" of nature, not really a straight villain. She was kind of a dick, but she wasn't outright evil. It's pretty much guaranteed that she lost to the Exile on purpose.
>>343570041
Women aren't as funny, women aren't as threatening, women are harder to be seen as evil
The easiest exceptions are when women are made into distilled estrogen, but then they're not good villains
When they thematically attack masculinity or notions of their female roles, it's... a little bit closer, but they're still shit
I think most "good" female villains I've seen have had some kind of mental illness, which is also easy mode as far as villains go,
The main reason is it's just in general much easier for men to be portrayed as villains
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>>343575270
Well there are several issues with writing females. For one, the fact that most writers are men, and as such they aren't as apt to be able to write female characters.
And then there's an issue of how said females are portrayed, which they need to be much more careful with than male characters. You can portray a man any kind of way as long as he isn't gay or maybe black, but not women, for the same reasons as the latter. That's the main reason why people call out females on being mary sues more often than males.
>>343571704
>>343574747
GLaDOS was made from Caroline. Plus she has a female voice and is named "Gladys", for crying out loud
>>343576127
I agree. That's the majority of the reason we don't see writers even attempt to write women. Because its a lose/lose situation. Make a strong, independent woman and women say they're unrealistic. Make a woman feminine and obsessed with men, and women complain its sexist. Try to do something in the middle and men complain the girl is bland.
>>343572057
No bitch, it would be a shame if I was immune to your bullshit and had special mitochondria powers of my own to fuck your shit up.
>>343576127
>For one, the fact that most writers are men, and as such they aren't as apt to be able to write female characters.
Then why were the best episodes of Sex and the City written by men?Don't ask me why I know that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8RixeJpJc
DO DORA DOOOORA
>>343571762
It's not the same though, she was impersonated as a woman by its creators, but it's an AI first, when Glados was once human.
Pretty good though, one of my favourites villains.
>>343570041
Does this count
>>343576127
Men can writer women just fine. The best aspects of writing a character are the same for men and women. The problem is more that writers aren't allowed to write women. As >>343576432 pointed out, people complain no matter what you do. This is also why we have so many stupid men in movies/TV these days. Because its okay to portray a male as a bumbling idiot, but not a woman.
>>343577050
>le ebin edgy negative version of MC
nah
>>343576171
Best so far.
>>343575842
>Women aren't as funny
depends on how they're written, really.
But yes, it's much easier to make a believably evil man.
In real life, men just aren't as empathetic as women so it's way to make them seem believably evil.
Obviously men are also more aggressive and physically imposing too, both are often key features of villains.
But I believe in the female antagonist. It's just, it's hard to write/create one.
Dahlia Gillespie from Silent Hill was good. Very creepy and twisted.
Queen Sectonia was nice. Obviously she's not human which made things WAY easier but still, she was very enjoyable.
There are more too.
>>343577117
>>343576094
Delilah is just a generic moustache twirling villain.
The Loyalists in the base game were far more interesting as antagonists.
>>343570041
>wanting to beat up powerful women
Not in this decade
because women are never evil in reality. it just wouldnt be realistic, theyd come off as artificial
>>343577050
Everything Dark Samus was cool except for her name.
The boss
>>343571483
Victims can be villains idiot.
>>343576127
I agree that there's a big difference between male and female writing, but not that men are worse at writing women.
Take Life is Strange for instance. Brilliantly written, all male staff.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4375662/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers
Dragon Age Inquisition. Kinda bad, cringe worthy romance sections, mostly female writing staff.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3763912/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_wr#writers
The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 excelled in writing when Amy Henning went off to work for EA...
Of course, people are more than their sex and there are some outstanding female writers out there, but from a male perspective I feel that the track record for female writing in games have been skewered towards male writers... Maybe it's because the characters end up as something we perceive as perfect, in this largely male-dominated hobby.
Talking about Dragon Age again, it's a series that has a massive female following, even more than Witcher, which is also fantasy. Whenever you see some female gamer collection video/roomtour thing on youtube, it's always Zelda shit or Dragon Age shit they are waaaay into, compared to all the other things.
>>343570041
Nevan in dmc3 is okay
>>343571483
Kerrigan was still a villain. There are tons of examples of good guys becoming bad guys.
I'm not even considering SC2's redemption story because that was a pile of hot garbage. That doesn't mean she wasn't a major antagonist for 2 and a half titles.
>>343578185
>brialliantly written
hella dont think so
>>343576171
>nazis
>bad guys
>>343578006
>women are never evil in reality
I'm not even saying this from an /r9k/ perspective, but when women are evil they tend to be even more heartless and sadistic than evil men.
>>343578185
>Whenever you see some female gamer collection video/roomtour thing on youtube, it's always Zelda shit
Funny thing I've found is that most girls who 'love' Zelda haven't actually played a single game in the series. Maybe WW at best.
>>343578295
Okay, I'll give you that one I think that was more a case of the writers being European, than a case of them being men.
>>343578102
>>343578185
Life is Strange isnt beautifully written you shmohawk
>>343578445
I am pretty sure that was supposed to be sarcasm.
Ultimecia - ff8
Xenobia , Royce, Facia - Lunar
Ihaduka - Evil Zone
Miang - Xenogears
Citrine - Xenosaga
Michaela - Shining Force
>>343577734
Pretty much. We get so many bland vanilla male protagonists because its the only acceptable character to write anymore. Aside from the 'strong black male' or the 'dyke female'.
>>343575270
>Even Pixar saw a huge drop off in ticket sales when they made Brave.
To be fair, Brave wasn't that good.
>>343578468
I get the impression that a lot of them are on board the nostalgia fag normie-tier retro gaming train, where they used to play N64 when they were kids.
>>343570041
Queen Zeal but I think Lavos manipulated her.
>>343578945
Neither was Bugs Life or Toy Story 2 or a host of Pixar films. But they still did fine. The reason Brave fell flat was the focus in advertising was a female. And while that caught my interest, the majority of women out there tend to ignore something unless it has a male focus. Despite all the feminists chanting for female equality...the majority of women don't seem to want it.
>>343579193
They make it pretty clear that Queen Zeal went mad with power. Not that Lavos put those thoughts into her head. In other words, she had evil intentions before she gained magic. And the magic just gave her the power to abuse it. This is also why no one else in Zeal seems to go crazy except ironically the one guy who doesn't use magic (Baron).
Think of her as a female Golbez. Just, without the stupid Naruto level story.
>>343570041
does Etna count as a villian?
her and laharl aren't exactly nice
>>343579362
Whenever it comes up that games with ladies on the cover don't sell, I'm always a bit bummed, because I certainly don't care. I think it's enticing.
>>343570041
Alex Wesker won, unlike her brother. Despite killing herself, being incinerated, and being completely outclassed by a stuffed bear.
>>343579193
>>343579654
I always found Zeal's madness to be ambiguous. You could say she had evil intent all along. But at the same time, Schala mentions how Zeal has changed. There was a noticeable shift in her. Also, how is it that she managed to have such a strong bond with Lavos?
>>343579994
She had the Mammoth Machine, which she used to directly tap into Lavos' magic. Then she built the Ocean Palace to get even closer to Lavos.
But all of these things were her decision. Lavos was just sleeping under the earth, content to hide out until 1999 AD. She woke him up. Though its not really explained how she formed a connection with him and didn't get destroyed/teleported like everyone else.
>>343571483
>Kerrigan was manipulated
Metzen please go
Kerrigan was the Queen Bitch of the Universe, she was a villain, even if she was "corrupted", she wasn't a puppet doing everything Amon wanted. She chose to crush the UED, to kill Fenix and raid the Kel-Morians. She chose to infest Razagal.
>>343580552
I always thought the subtext was that Lavos fed her with these ambitions, in order to steal the mammon machine.
>>343581334
I didn't really see any story showing that Lavos was even awake at the time. And all the stuff NPCs and Schala said in Zeal kept pointing to the Queen being the one who was building the devices to interact with Lavos, not the other way around.
>>343580552
It's Mammon Machine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
>>343570041
>Rita Repulsa
>good
I will say she's better than Kerrigan. Deeper character than Kerrigan, too.
Dark Queen of BattleToads
Ghost Witch from PacMan 2: Adventures
Gruntilda from Banjo
Captain Syrup from Wario Land
Risky Boots from Shantae.
Sectonia from Kirby's Triple Deluxe
>it's a Shinnok tries to dress like Rita Repulsa episode
>>343570041
Nigga didn't play Battletoads.
>>343581625
How do you think she got the ideas to build such things? Zeal only managed to be rise to power, because her family had a monopoly on red rock. And the red rock was highly conducive to magic. Hence why what's-his-name made the red knife, because he new the dream rock would awaken the true sword.
People were literally manifesting dreams into reality. "But how does Lavos play into dreams?", you might be wondering. The answer is the black wind. Janus/Magus could sense it. The black wind was Lavos's influence.
>>343570041
>>343582497
Between 65 million BC and 12,000 AD, humans were pretty much alone and able to advance. The game doesn't say specifically that Lavos had given people technology or knowledge. It also says the people of Zeal built the machines that allowed magic to be harnessed.
Could Lavos have been influencing people to gain knowledge and magic? I suppose so. But it wouldn't really serve a purpose for him, since he was going to just destroy everything anyway. And why would he want people tapping into his power (which he was collecting from the planet)?
All evidence points more to humans randomly finding a tap to Lavos and using it to gain magic and knowledge. But not by Lavos' design. Which goes back to Queen Zeal. She went mad with power on her own accord. Not because Lavos was controlling her. But it becomes hazy after that as Queen Zeal clearly seems to be either a puppet or controller of Lavos.
>>343583101
>boatboys pls leave
>>343583101
>jane
>good villain
She was sane up until the last 5-10 minutes of S2E5, but then it just ruined her completely.
>>343583101
>TellTale game
>good anything
>>343571581
pic makes me kek
>>343570041
Women can't do anything.
>>343583141
You have a point about the time window there. But even considering all that time, you can see how humans without magic lived. They remained in a primitive state and lived underground to survive the cold. Suggesting that they weren't very technologically advanced without the aid of magic.
Lavos could draw power from the planet more efficiently, with a device like the the mammon machine. If it can tap into Lavos, then why couldn't it tap into the planet itself? Lavos evolves by absorbing the DNA of the life around him. With human ingenuity, and the technology, he would be more powerful than ever. And that's exactly what you find out when you enter his shell. On the inside, he must have taken some human ideas, and created an advanced core.
