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>https://www.techpowerup.com/223833/official-statement-from-amd-on-the-pci-express-overcurrent-issue
>AMD sent us this statement in response to growing concern among our readers that the Radeon RX 480 graphics card violates PCI-Express power specification, by overdrawing power from its single 6-pin PCIe power connector and the PCI-Express slot. Combined, the total power budged of the card should be 150W, however, it was found to draw well over that power limit.
talk to me like I'm stupid, on a scale of 1 to 10 how much did AMD fuck up ?
>>343519173
10/10
>>343517480
Wow the shills on this board are crazy why do you waste your time free shilling?
>>343519173
6 or a 7.
The card was designed for budget use but it seems to need a PSU that's a bit above a budget build. Not a huge deal as I would hope everyone has at least a 500w unit but for those without, it's a potential issue.
>>343520168
>Card literally distreoyed a PCI-E slot
>6 or 7
Holy fuck anon, just buy a bit less tendies and save up the money for an NVIDIA card
>>343520157
>9999 480 threads all week
>NVIDIA BTFO ITS OVER REEEEEEEEEE
>its a pile of out of spec garbage
>SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL
kek
>>343517480
>post ends in 480
Pottery
>>343520347
>Card literally distreoyed a PCI-E slot
Stop talking.
>>343521075
>Truth hurts my fefes
https://community.amd.com/thread/202410
It's really terrifying to think about the bondage poverty puts on a nigga
>>343519173
may burn out your motherboard / 10
ROFLMAOOO
At least the 3.5 meme never killed any motherboards. I guess you really get what you pay for with AMD.
>>343517480
>were going to gimp your card through drivers
nothing new there
LGTSS
>You didn't buy a 480
>>343517480
Why the FUCK where people even thinking this GPU will be the best thing ever for that price? It was so obvious that this thing WILL have a flaw. There is no way a card at this price will be better than Nvidias Memecard. Raw numbers arent everything, hope some learned it the hard way now.
>>343520347
How the fuck do you misspell destroy?
>mfw they gib the card to ~380x performance
>>343524353
I think its silly to jump on any bandwagon right when something is released. Theres just to many potential problems these days. I'd rather wait a while and see. I guess if you're building a machine right at the time stuff is first being released. But I keep seeing threads about people so quick to jump that they'll take reference cards.
>>343517480
Stop shilling your shit website you fucking faggot
>>343524435
Don't worry anon, I ordered the helium
>>343524725
AMDlets on suicide watch
>>343524668
I've waited with upgrading for like 5 years. Been running a GTX660 for that time and have been forced to downscale pretty much any new game to minimum/medium to get reasonable FPS for almost a year now. Games like Ass Creed: Pirate edition already were a bit too much.
So since I now have a 40h/w job and low rent, I bought a 1070. Gonna be a few days before I have it, because of low stocks, but it's almost time for maxing out games again. Fuck yea
SHIIIIIIILLLLLS
>>343525038
Hope you have a good CPU with that 1070
>>343524595
That song was stuck in my head.You a nigger, Harry?
How the fuck do you even get a 480? Its sold out completely on newegg, bestbuy, and amazon.
Where do I order one bros? I'm sick of this shitty 7970
>>343519173
0/10
It's easy to fake a broken motherboard on the internet where no one can prove anything. Especially when the accuser refuses to rma any part so they can find the problem. AMD has no choice but to play it safe, that's all there is to it.
>>343525918
You could just short out the motherboard if you want the authentic 480 experience
>>343520168
Nobody would even care if it over drew from the pcie 6 pin. Too bad that's not the problem.
>>343525918
Keep checking /r/buildapcsales and hope you're lucky.
>>343525918
You don't and wait. That card is fine for now.
>>343526046
Why would someone lie on the internet, especially if he already bought the card.
>>343519173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFuYc2FHgjw
Not much.
>>343526249
Definitely, who lies on the internet bro
> telling AMD poorfags for years how shit their parts are
> show them detailed benchmarks and evidence of how garbage their drivers are
> WELL ANON IT WORKS FINE FOR ME
> 2016
> June
> RX 480 is launched
> colossal fuck up of extraordinary magnitude
> no one can deny the truth now
It's funny, but at the same time I'm morbidly depressed to know that Nvidia is headed towards a full blown monopoly over the GPU market. At least before when ATI was around, they provided some competition that was justifiable. Ever since that merger it's just been year over year getting worse. The company is completely fucked and in the end we all get fucked.
>Nvidia does it
>its fine
All hail the 960 strix, destroyer of motherboa- oh wait, that didn't happen despite the card spiking to much higher than what the 480 does.
>>343519173
9
Not only does it have this issue but it's also less powerful than a 980 and in some circumstances a 970 as well
It's the new 3.5 card
>>343525202
>implying cpu matters that much
Kek anon. Unless he's running an i3 it's fine. Stop spreading this meme.
>>343526353
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are lots of self-hating fags who bought an 480 and need to shit on it anyways.
>>343526650
Citations needed.
>>343526506
That's cuz spikes don't destroy anything unless they last long enough.
>>343526695
Definitely bro that's a definite happening right now bro definitely
5 rupees have been added to your account.
>>343526046
If it's fake, why is AMD addressing the concern and working on a fix?
>>343526721
Given the scale of that graph those spikes are lasting longer than mere milliseconds.
>>343526972
DELETE THIS
>>343526046
>AMD going to try and limit the consumption to 150W with a driver
>Totally fake guys
>>343526308
>amd fanboys that literally worship this faggot who shills amd this hard
lol
>>343526801
AMDrones are desperate right know. Mobos are burning left and right, but they're still denial. You people are funny.
>>343527060
Apparently they don't last long enough to bring the average far enough. On 480 they do. 80w is a power spike. A continuous one.
>>343526972
amd is already testing a driver 'fix'. r/amd is entirely full of posts about it. take it all for what you will but there def seems to be something up with the cards. we'll know more after they release the fix and how they handle already destroyed cards/mobos.
>>343519173
10/10 for not going with a 8 pin connector and avoid the issue
3/10 for what is actually happening, cheapo mobos might get fucked(30-40$), but i dont think its gonna be an issue for anyone with 60+$ mobos
>>343527309
>fried mobo's because of the GPU!
>posts a picture of the 12v rail
>>343527362
what if people just reduced the standard voltage from 1.050v to .950v?
This would reduce the wattage enough to not be a problem
>>343527309
bait?
wheres the source for 480 fried mobos?
>>343526686
lel the "cpu doesn't matter" meme died out over 6 years ago.
>Unless he's running an i3 it's fine.
You even contradict yourself.
>>343527417
>>343527525
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg15438599#msg15438599
Stay in denial, lmao.
>AMD
>>343517480
>there is a problem with the card
>AMD statement: We will fix it with the next driver update, sorry for that
Doesn't matter if the rx480 is trash or not, but I don't see the problem here. The fucked up and now they defuck it.
>>343527515
if i had a 480 right now thats what i would do, at least just to be safe.
>>343527515
>implying the card runs at 1.050v
Post yfw you didn't fall for the AMD meme
>too much power draw from motherboard
>RX480 that can set your motherboard PCI-E lanes on fire. Nvidia did it first with the REAL 480
>performance of a 970, a 2 year old card.
>AMD in general
AMD = playing catch up all the time. Get with the times you poorfags.
You can suck my dickor cock
>>343526686
>unless he's running an i3
Wrong. CPU doesn't matter that much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRD1pgR3jk
>>343527750
Why don't you just reduce the voltage? 1.2v is really high
>>343527554
I'm not contradicting myself, since I never stated it doesn't matter at ALL, I said it doesn't matter that much.
Unless he's running REALLY outdated hardware (5 years isn't that much) like an i3, then he's fine.
>>343527853
my old nehalem bottlenecks r9 380 in GTA V
>>343527581
>https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433925.msg15438599#msg15438599
>I was mining with 3 of these fucking things in crossfire
>wonders why his garbage PSU burned his motherboard
>>343527312
They don't raise the average because equally the 960 hits really low draw from the slot. A constant load is better on hardware than sudden extremes.
>>343526308
That video is the stupidest shit I've heard in a long time.
>>343527417
Where do you think the GPU gets its power?
I've heard the 4GB and 8GB versions are the exact same cards, just locked by BIOS.
Is it true, AMDcucks?
>>343528276
Unlikely given how GDDR5 modules work.
>>343528059
Even better, through risers on a cheapshit mobo
>>343528276
No. It'd be a waste of money to do that.
I guess the rumor comes from the fact that AMD didn't send any 4 GB cards to reviewers, but a BIOS to lock 4 GB from the 8 GB cards to emulate it.
>>343528276
>you can download more ram now
What a time to be alive.
>>343528363
Plus it doesn't account for the cpu possibly running out of spec - cpus are 12v fed these days.
nvidiafags win again
Want good performance for the price? Use your CPU's integrated graphics.
>>343519173
Worse than the 3.5 fiasco. At least the 970 wouldn't fry your mobo and is still a great card if you stuck to a 1080p display.
>>343527987
>my 8 year old processor bottlenecks a year old game.
No fucking wonder you idiot everything before sandy bridge was shit.
>>343528185
75w from the PCIe via the PCIe connector on the motherboard separate of the 12v rail and another 75w from the 6-pin connector
For all you know that guy's old ass motherboard has a shit VRM
>>343528435
It might not be a waste of money if it's for some reason less efficient and therefore costly to produce 4gb cards in the same factories. But this probably isn't the case
>>343528481
CPU is fed by the 8 pin, not by the 24 pin main.
>>343528606
Where do you think the PCIe gets its power from?
>>343528548
Nothing is worse than the 3.5 fiasco, nvidiafriend
>>343527774
I'd be more concerned that the 970 struggles to outperform what is essentially a gpu from 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtry-A-t7Qk
>>343527309
>>343527309
>>343527309
>>343527309
OMG LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL LLLL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAlrGzHAkI
>>343528787
>Where do you think the PCIe gets its power from?
the powersupply
From the way it looks, it was the PSU feeding through the motherboard and the motherboard burned most likely because he has an old ass motherboard that has a shit VRM because he cheaped on the motherboard that seriously was NEVER intended to use 3 fucking 480's
This is an extreme case where a butthurt buttcoin miner burns out his motherboard probably in the same way he's burned out tons of GPU's But he won't tell you about all the GPU's he's gone through
>>343517480
>shitty budget card now gets limited to 60% of its performance
You're literally better off buying a 10 years old geforce 8800 from ebay at this point.
>>343521978
Niggers in poverty shouldn't be even spending money on gaming computers. What the fuck you deserve to starve at that point.
>>343529026
>the motherboard that seriously was NEVER intended to use 3 fucking 480's
>motherboard with THREE video card slots
>not high end
Man look at all those budget multi card setups.
Wow. This is a really bad case of AMD defense force.I mean, jesus. What would AMD have to do to get you guys to come to terms with them fucking up? I mean at this point, I feel they could rape and murder your parents and you would everything you could to justify it as not a big deal.
>>343529320
Its not, many times these buttcoin miners use daughter boards to separate their PCIe-16x slots into two PCIe-8x slots then run their GPU's through that. Because mobo makers don't just make 8 slot motherboards
Its more likely his motherboard has 2 fucking PCIE slots and he added 3 GPU's to it.
>>343529430
Raping and murdering your parents is only a small spike that lasts like an hour or two, they are perfectly fine otherwise
>>343529320
>it came with 3 slots
>that means its high end
ASUS, Intel and Biostar made tons of those 3 PCIe slot motherboards for sub 125 dollars and they were garbage
>>343528648
What game is this image from
>>343526046
yeah sure , of course this article is fake since obviously no one saw through this master scheme, god damn it they did it again
>>343528807
Except this objectively is.
>>343529673
God Hand
>>343529673
>this user has never played God hand.
>>343528692
It'd be extremely doubtful. Memory modules are extremely easy to just not add.
It's a bit different from unlocking a 6950 into a 6970 or something, because in that case, all the GPUs are 6970s in the first place, and only then are they modified to be 6950s. First this was done on a software level, but because of all the unlocking shit, they've moved onto just lasercutting the extra shit. In the case of memory modules, there's no real point in adding double the modules to the PCB.
But this can be easily confirmed by just looking at the PCB of the 4 GB model. I'm sure there's a picture somewhere.
>>343529026
>the powersupply
Good job, and it comes through the 24 pin connector, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting a picture of that. What else would you post a picture of, if not the point of failure? Also, the fried pins are #10 and #11, so the ones providing 12V, so we can be sure that the GPUs were the cause.
Also, this case doesn't really have anything to do with the VRM because we're at the input. If the point of failure was at the VRM, then you could blame the VRM. If the point of failure was after the VRM, then you could possibly blame the VRM.
>>343529957
>Good job, and it comes through the 24 pin connector, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting a picture of that. What else would you post a picture of, if not the point of failure? Also, the fried pins are #10 and #11, so the ones providing 12V, so we can be sure that the GPUs were the cause.
If his burn is at the 1st and 3rd pin and the GPU's 5 pin wattage happens at the latter pins, how is it the GPU's power draw if the first and 3rd pins are burned when the GPU has nothing to do with the voltage draw on those pins?
Most PC has higher than normal PSU, how is this a problem?
>>343530296
>my sound went out because of my GPU's
>people arguing over a single instance of this
theres tons of forum posts and tests. the card itself is exceeding the pci-e spec. its a lot bigger of a problem than 1 burnt mobo.
>>343530328
His motherboard is OLD as FUCK, he literally has a PATA connector its so fucking old
>>343517480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjC_8ai7QA&feature=youtu.be&t=96
AYY
>>343520168
How many watts is above budget build, 700W?
i have a low budget pc (i3 6100 processor ) but i have a 700w psu, i shouldn't be having any problems with 480 right?
>>343528606
It was an ASUS P7P55-LX. I've got the same board and had overclocked crossfire R9 290's running on it. It's a good board. The 480 draws too much through the PCI-E rail.
>>343530549
It's not related to your PSU, but to your mobo.
>>343521978
>tendies
>fefes
How does it feel to have incurable autism?
>>343530445
he said he previously used 3 280x on it which consume about 1.5x more power each with no issues
>>343529026
That mobo only has 2 PCI-E slots.
>>343530549
Psst, wattage doesn't mean shit if its a low quality unit.
Go look up Jonnyguru's "death of a gutless wonder" articles on how some psus claim to be high wattage but can never actually provide it.
In fact read jonnyguru in general to educate yourself on how psus work.
>>343530714
>>343530691
>>343530559
So I was right, he only has 2 slots and he's running 3 cards in it doing his buttcoin mining.
>previously used 3 280x's that draw more power
so then whats the problem here if these cards draw less power
>>343530121
The burnt pins are #10 and #11. #12 doesn't look burnt to me. These two supply +12V. The GPU uses +12V and +3.3V to a lesser extent.
>>343530445
>it's okay to destroy the mobo because it's old
>>343530691
>he said he previously used 3 280x
Then he's frauding. That mobo is a ASUS P7P55-LX, it only has 2 PCI-E slots.
>>343530851
>if I use an old ass motherboard that's seen its time through how much hardcore buttcoin mining I've done omg why did it finally die?
Like wondering why your old ricer 1999 honda accord finally stopped wanting to run after running it so hard at every red light
>>343517480
they will release a bios with lower volt.
they undervolt like crazy.
or maybe they can fix so that it takes more power from the 6pin?
Is the number 480 a cursed number in the tech world?
First the GTX480, now the RX480. have there been any other cases of the number 480 being bad? Conspiracy theorists and occult believers, we need you. Someone get /x/ on this.
>>343531147
>or maybe they can fix so that it takes more power from the 6pin?
Unlikely, its overdrawing from the motherboard and the 6 pin.
Is 1.2v the stock voltage of GPU's? hell none of mine ever got above 1.1 or I never set it above 1.1
1.2v seems unusually high. It should run fine when you reduce it to 1.1v
>>343526417
>The company is completely fucked and in the end we all get fucked.
This, AMD is not the competition Nvidia needs, and to make matters worse the only reason why they are even around are consoles, and are the only ones that do not get fucked by DX12 / Vulcan, but that does not even matter because Nvidia, despite being unfit for these environments, still left AMD in the dust.
The moment Nvidia figures out Asynchronous Computing in their hardware; the difference between AMD and Nvidia will spike dramatically. However, it is not like there is an actual reason because as long AMD performs like shit Nvidia could cut out features to sell them later for next generations.
how do you fix a card that at stock, overdraws by a significant amount, with a driver update? the card was designed like it was for a reason and taking away power will gimp it?
>>343531370
>how do you fix a card that at stock, overdraws by a significant amount, with a driver update? the card was designed like it was for a reason and taking away power will gimp it?
undervolt.
Downing the voltage which reduces the wattage draw
>>343530620
i have a h110m pro-vh motherboard
>>343530781
i bought a 700w evga 80 plus bronce, i was told you always have to spend a few extra bucks on a decent psu because these shitty chinese psus fry your motherboard
>>343519173
On the upper register of things. This card was more or less a silver bullet back on top.
>>343531298
i think stock is 1.15v
mine runs at 1.0188v with no crashes.
if they can make more power go tru the 6 pin its np
each pin can stand 9A (3x9A) u can pull like 250w from a 6 pin np
>>343531502
yea but a 6pin is only rated for 150w
>>343531429
if it were that easy, how the fuck did the mess up so bad in the first place? they literally didnt even test their cards and notice its 40-50% out of spec?
>>343531001
The problem is that these cards are aimed at people who can't afford to be constantly upgrading their hardware, so it's a given that people will still be using older hardware.
>>343531147
>or maybe they can fix so that it takes more power from the 6pin?
Dunno if it's possible with a simple BIOS update, since it might be dependent on the way the card is physically wired. And even then, it would be going above the ATX spec. Though as long as your PSU is worth anything, going over the ATX spec won't cause any harm, hell, people use 6pin to 2x6pin connectors to connect 2x6pin cards to 6pin PSUs and nothing wrong happens most of the time, since the 6pin connector can withstand much more than 75W.
>>343531586
I'm sure they noticed but never thought would be a problem
>>343531553
its rated for 75w, to make it totally retard safe
just check your psu, mine for example has a single rail for all 12v
>>343531147
Someone on leddit found that the VRAM voltage was affecting the powerdraw and some other shit
>>343531561
Undoubtedly undervolting it will provide instability for some unlucky RX480 owners. I'm sure you'll hear more about that when AMD attempts to fix the current issue.
>>343528548
What fiasco was the 3.5 fiasco?
>>343531751
>Undoubtedly undervolting it will provide instability for some unlucky RX480 owners
unlikely, undervolting should make it more stable
1.15v base is kind of high, 1.05v is enough reduction to get it under spec
So is the 1060 a decent card for a poor fag?
>>343531467
>i bought a 700w evga 80 plus bronce, i was told you always have to spend a few extra bucks on a decent psu because these shitty chinese psus fry your motherboard
You were given solid advice. Too many people put psus really low on their list when budgeting out a build when in reality a psu should be a fairly high priority.
You don't need a mega wattage unit, just a quality one for the wattage you need.
>>343531553
True, ATX spec rates a 6pin connector for only 75W, but people connect 6+8pin cards to single 6pin PSUs all the time using cheap connectors.
What the fuck are AMD doing?
is everyone at the company insanely incompetent?
I don't get it
I want AMD to succeed but they keep fucking up.
>>343531826
google it you gigantic fucking faggot
>>343519173
0/10.
Most Nvidia cards do the same. But somehow it starts being an issue only when amd does it.
There is literally no chance of frying a motherboard. Its a common issue found in most cards.
>>343531826
Nvidia advertised the GTX970 as a 4gb GPU but really the majority of the bandwidth was allocated for just 3.5gb making the latter .5gb of memory virtually unusable because it was so stupidly slow.
This meant that certain games or resolutions that ate tons of VRAM ever went above like 3.2gb or 90% of the Vram usage would stutter the games a lot
>NVIDIA is gimping there old cards
>NVIDIA is evil
why its always amdrones that spreading there bullshit? Its good think there are benchmarks so i can just test my system and comfirm that most of these claims are baseless
>>343531751
just seems crazy, or lazy, that you wouldn't set the card to around the minimum it requires to run at full speed. why on earth would you make it draw more at stock if it didnt need to?
>>343531912
>Most Nvidia cards do the same
No they fucking don't. The only one was a certain overclocked version that ASUS did with their Strix 960. No other 960's ever did this
>this is a common issue
no its not
>>343531992
nvidia are dicks though
have not decided if i shall send my card back.
have 2 weeks to decide
but that 88.9% ASIC..
>>343531693
>AMD strikes again
They really need to hire some better engineers, or at least people with a little bit of foresight.
>>343531912
No widely released Nvidia card goes over the PCI-E spec wattage ON AVERAGE. Sure, Asus fucked up with their Strix cards that have spikes going over 75W from the PCI-E slot, but ON AVERAGE the cards pull less than 75W. The RX480 pulls almost 90W from the slot ON AVERAGE.
Have I mentioned the words ON AVERAGE yet?
>>343531992
>>NVIDIA is gimping there old cards
Is there any actual evidence of this? at all? I hear it pushed it around tons but there never was any definitive evidence of it happening ever.
>>343531867
1.15v is higher than what my custom cooled 290x runs at when boincing.
wait why is a 150W card using a only a 6pin connector?
>>343531867
For the unlucky few who own RX480s with bad voltage to frequency characteristics it's extremely likely, actually.
>>343532031
It needs to, just not for all GPUs. It has nothing to do with laziness.
>>343532215
cuz only having 1 6pin makes it look like its energy effective
>>343531992
/v/ and /g/ tell us AMD has no drivers, so if thats true how do we explain this?
>>343532184
then why not just undervolt and solve the issue!
>>343532215
because you can get 75w from the PCIe slot and 75w from the 6-pin for a 150w card but AMD's 480 is going over that by tons.
>>343532163
none
>>343532278
but nobody actually cares about that
>>343528597
My 3.1ghz i5 3450 bottlenecks my 970 in everything.
>>343532346
i know rite
>>343532267
>For the unlucky few who own RX480s with bad voltage to frequency characteristics it's extremely likely, actually.
why? because of brownout? you undervolt and underclock the core
>>343532291
780ti have 3gb and struggles at high vram usage like 1440p
Getting really tired of the NVIDIA shills pushing this meme.
There is no proven case of anyone having anything damaged by the 480s.
I've never seen a more desperate attempt to stay on top from any company than this. NVIDIAs days are fucking numbered
>>343528109
That's literally impossible because high side power transistors operate in pulse mode. I know you're ignoring the fact that RX480 wobbles the current draw up and down too. Because that's how power transistors work.
On off on off on off.
>>343532690
So how come its getting its shit kicked in at 1080p as well? When it released the 780ti was flatout faster than a 290x across the board.
>>343532779
>.05 dollars has been deposited into your account
>make card that appeals to poorfags who haven't built new computers in years
>destroy their computers so they need to get new ones
>put all your AyyyMD poorfag products on sale
>????
>Profit
>>343532779
AMD is releasing a press release on it. And they are working on new drivers. And it has been independently tested by various people.
This vid was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjAlrGzHAkI
Most people aren't here to shill. Threads like this are best used as a warning - underclock your card for now to be safe until AMD comes up with something.
You're paranoid mang.
>>343532779
how can someone be this delusional?
>>343532848
>.5 GB has been removed from your GPU
>>343532779
>50 degrees have been added to your temps
>>343517480
How the fuck they didn't test the card before releasing it? They thought that nobody will noticed it? How can you be so incompetent?
>>343531001
If my 1999 honda accord had its engine blow up because of bad design, I would be pissed.
>>343517480
The only one good card in a long time and they fuck it up.
>>343532346
oems care about that, since they use cheap chinese shit psu's, and thats how amd tried to make some extra money, since you see, most of the time oems would use nvidia cards 960/950/750ti, since amd had nothing to offer with 1 6-pin. Thats why you see shitty oem builds with i7 and 750ti for 1000$. Nvidia are masters of vga cards bussines thats why they own the market.
>>343533115
Neither nvidia nor amd care about making good. They care about making money.
>>343532963
>Make card with a sizable price markup that gets all of the corporate advertisement shilling
>brick it with drivers 3 years later
>don't put your products on sale
>????
>Profit
except this one actually happened
>>343531905
I did, couldn't find it. Why I asked. "3.5 AMD" isn't exactly specific.
>>343532843
was it really or you are just meming?
Also it 3y later now, people who can buy card for 500$ have already upgraded. So nobody cares.
>>343531467
>>343531871
PSU shouldn't be high, it should be #1 priority. It feeds and can fry every single component in your rig. It is of absolutely paramount importance. I had a PSU take a direct hit from a lightning bolt about a decade ago, and because I bought quality, it held the line and died so that the rest of the rig would live. Everything I have from that build still works fine to this day.
>>343533225
Yeah and now seems they are not going to be making much money either.
>>343533306
>worse than the 3.5 fiasco
>you google 3.5 amd
>instead of 3.5 fiasco
common sense, man.
I've already got a 1080 ordered, should get it next week. Now that I've already got a decent PC, I'd never even think of getting a cheap individual upgrade like a 480.
>>343533393
Well, they're AMD. They're used to it.
>>343533393
>sold out on most stocks day 1
>still the only GPU brand for consoles
I wish
AMD are the biggest scammers in the industry, they lie about everything and underdeliver all the time. They've shown time and time again they dont give a shit about their customers the gamers unlike Nvidia.
Why do people even defend them when nvidia treats their customers so much better?
>>343534054
whilist I understand this is like some kind of baitswitch or just some clever humor, there are people that actually think companies give a shit about most people.
So much denial in one thread.
Just admit they've fucked up, laugh with the rest and move on. It's not like you owe AMD anything.
>>343531273
according to numerology 480 is 3. 3 like 3 6's, the mark of the beast.
>>343534054
>nvidia fanboy's opinion
>970 fail
>overpriced gpus all the time
>releases 1080
>4 months later 1080ti (unlocked some shit, same chip)
>4 months later 1080 TITAN BLACK ED (unlocked more shit lol)
called it, and you are retarded
should i get a 970
i cant afford more than $350 for a card
>>343534296
>overpriced
>the most powerful cards on the market
>happen to have the highest prices
They are only "overpriced" to people that are poor, and that is purely a budget thing. Its like calling a luxury car overpriced because its too expensive for you, even though its better in 100 ways than a budget car.
>>343534465
If you have that much money wait for a 1060 in a couple weeks dumbass.
>>343525038
You went 5 years, what's a month more for non reference?
>>343534465
my meme70 was $330 nearly 2 years ago, for $350 you should be able to do better.
>>343534547
its the same way intel does
they have tech to release much better cpus at lower price, but since peoples buy the crippled ones they sell for much $$$, why bother?
always cheer for the underdog, it makes market good
>>343533329
Go look up 780ti launch reviews - it beat the 290x in basically every review.
>So nobody cares.
It sets a trend given how baby maxwell has been murdered as well by tahiti. A 770 for example is meant to compete against a 280x - these days its closer to the 270x and the 280x itself fights a 780.
Pick your poison - either Nvidia gimps or AMD extracts more and more performance out of their cards.
Who
>waiting for 3rd party 480 cards to fix the overdraw issues
>>343534738
No, it makes you the bitch of the underdog.
>>343534653
Why is 1070 out before 1060
I dont know much about cards
I'm still running on a 650ti from when I first built my pc
>>343517480
>buying cards on release
It's like you want to get screwed. I remember all the nvidiots buying a 970.
>>343534807
The 290x is a freak of nature. It has a much better longevity than almost any other card ever fucking made.
>>343534830
rite
>current cpu intel
>last gpu nvidia
>>343534813
I still need to get my money back for a 380 that keeps crashing, and I'm definitely not going back to AMD.
>>343534840
Nvidia usually does their flagship first the 1080 then releases lesser variants the lower they go
>>343534886
the 970 was out for more than 18 hours before the 3.5 was discovered.
>>343519173
10.
Which is a shame since it was shaping up to be a great card. At least the 580 will have solved the issue without gimping the card and will deliver better performance.
Better luck next time?
>>343534738
I'll cheer for the underdog when they start releasing products that aren't worse than the big bad monopoly with business practices to rival them.
>>343534915
Only because it has replaced the 7970 - that card is 4 years old and still rocks 1080p.
>>343534915
That's not certainly limited to the 290x, the 7970 / 280x and the 7870 / 270x are in the same boat.
>>343532163
Can you see the gimping?
What would be a good card for me to change to?
>>343526417
>she wants to pay 700dollarydoos on the 1060
Arent you just a dumb cunt, its like you dont want competition so everyone has to pay more. I didnt expect you to understand economics, considering puberty is still beyond your reach. Dont worry, your tits will grow and your vaj will bleed when the time comes.
>>343519173
3/10, RX480 reviews are out there already and nobody is going to rerun everything after the driver will downgrade card's performance.
They got bit of a bad press and some mobos were fried, but well tough shit.
>>343535190
>7970
love that card
replaced it with this 480 tho, it lagged in overwatch 1440p
its only a short time upgrade untill zen/vega gets released
>itt shit trolls attempt to troll other shit trolls
Keke kill youreselves
>>343535350
What PSU do you have?
>>343534917
Enjoy paying the current 40% markup on the msrp price for every nvidia card. Thanks for being part of the problem
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY JUST USE THE 8 PIN POWER INSTEAD OF THE 6 PIN
>>343534915
agree. my 280x still holds up quiet well
>>343535840
No matter how many pins it has, it will still overdraw from the rail.
>>343517480
DOWNCLOCKED
>>343534915
Just like the 9800GTX+. Man, I wish more cards were so futureproof.
>>343535346
No, where is it?
Why are AMD cards so power hungry?
>>343535685
Most of us who spend $800~1000 on a new comp aren't interested in "supporting the little guy", "sticking it to the man." Why in the fuck would I gimp my build to make a statement?
I completely avoided AMD with my current build not because I hate them, but because their offerings were absolute garbage compared to Intel/Nvidia for my needs. I like emulation - AMD processors blow ass compared to Intel. My last video card was an AMD - I had tons of driver issues that left me using old drivers for over 6 months.
If AMD wants more business, they are going to have to actually try. Remember the Athlon XP days when they were making faster processors for lower prices that did more work per clock cycle at lower speeds? Those days are long gone and so is my love for them. Once they can compete, they'll get my money.
It's the year of the AMD desktop every year.
Just like how every year is the year of the Linux Gaming PC.
>>343536264
amd hater detected
I've got a shitty ass 7750 that I really have to replace, but I live in a poorfag country so I was really looking forward to the 480. Should I still get one, or should I get something else, and in that case, what should I get?
>>343532158
Neither does the RX480 family.
>>343536697
Wait for aftermarket 480 and 1060 to come out.
>>343536854
How long are we talking about?
>>343536579
Reminder that being and AMD lover that wants to "stick it to the man" means you are socially abhorrent and might as well kill yourself for not being normal.
>>343536697
480 looks good. the nvidia 1060 might be good but its "benchmarks" are 100% bullshit magic numbers with no hard data. so its entirely undisclosed so far.
naturally retards are doing the same thing they did with the rx480 and saying the 1060 will be a god card that will personally get you laid and all other wonderful things.
As far as the housefire motherboard melting will rape your dog posts, no one has actually proven this has happened, and it's only happened to like 6 people out of the 10,000+ rx480 owners
If only my 770 wasn't 2gb, I fucking love my card.
Hopefully aftermarket 480s are good, or maybe the 1060 isn't TOO expensive.
>>343536970
1060paperlaunch is mid-July
you'll see real cards in august-september
>>343524326
>LGTSS
What did it mean by this?
>>343537080
Paper launch is on the 7th. Availability starts a week later.
Please stop spreading false information.
>>343526506
That was debunked days ago.
With our ability to measure voltage and current, we return back to Metro: Last Light at 4K to find that amperage draw over the motherboard's +12V line stays right at 2.5A. That is a drastic difference compared to the RX 480 hitting more than 7A over the same line, especially considering the 5.5A limit from the PCI Express specification.
480 has the ability to fry your mobo power and pci-e slot.
>>343536970
Both of those will probably happen in the next 2-3 weeks.
>>343537353
Lesbians, gays and transsexuals should suffocate
>mfw AMD 'fixes' it by gimping the performance to 960 level
>>343535840
That's what im wondering too.
There's NO way shit like this passed through testing. IF this was frying PCI-E Slots, it must've shown up there before release.
>that feel when I got a 290 for 180 buckaroos
Feels good, this cards amazing.
>>343517480
>which in this case is an unprecedented 8 Gbps for GDDR5>>343528807
A GPU missing 500MB of VRAM doesn't fry your motherboard.
>>343526506
Except nvidia didn't do shit there. All 960s were under 75w on the rail, only ASUS' overclocked 960 went over.
That's a AIB error, not a reference error.
>>343517480
>which in this case is an unprecedented 8 Gbps for GDDR5
Nice one AMD, too bad the 1070 has the exact same clock except nvidia wasn't retarded enough to slap a 6 pin because they knew the power requirements were beyond a 75w+PCIE
>It has a vastly over-engineered and high quality VRM and overall construction - the power delivery circuitry on this board is higher quality than just about any other reference card ever made at any price point - including the likes of the GTX 980ti. It's a true six-phase 600A VRM to power a 110 W GPU...
WHYYY DID THEY PUT A FUCKINT 6 PIN ON IT?!
>>343538249
ASUS one is also below if you smooth it out.
how hard is it for non-reference cards to use 2 connectors instead of a single? is this something companies like evga can do by themselves or does it have to match the ref card pretty much?
I-I don't know how this works.
Will partners manufacture a version with 8 pins? Will it make the card more expensive?
>>343519173
0
Literally every card ever pulls more at some point than is listed by the pcie spec if it is capable. So any pcie card that doesn't have external power pins or any card that is ever overclocked.
>>343538887
Of course. I think they can cash in big by making a good version of the card, because I think that a lot of existing reference 480 users will be crying bitter tears and asking for a better model.
>>343538621
To make it seem more power efficient than it really was.
They damn well know it was overdrawing, don't be fooled by their lies. That's like Ford claiming they didn't realise a car was missing an engine as it came off the assembly line, this shit is tested.
They just knew any well made mobo/PSU could handle going over while they could still plaster their marketing with
"VR READY, 970 PERFORMANCE FOR $200 AND UNDER 150W"
>>343539109
i know why they did it
but WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!
>>343538887
No matter how many pins it has, it will still overdraw from the rail.
The only solution is to neuter it so it stays under the limit, or do a recall.
>>343538887
No, the power a chip draws from the PCIE is not controlled by anything AIB partners can change. That is a hardware change AMD needs to redesign.
AIB partners can change how external power is drawn, through changes to the step up and the power phases, but if the card was designed to suck 80W from the PCIE, nothing they can change on the power phases or step up will stop that.
>>343539242
>Neuter
Why not just say what it actually is? They will have toGIMPthe card so that it won't need that much power.
>>343539261
AIBs can create a fully custom PCB if they want to, and it's up to them where the power comes from. MSI usually does it.
>>343539697
Power phases from the PCIE lane are handled on chip, nothing about the PCB change change PCIE draw, only Mini.FR draw.
>>343517480
>yfw housefire meme is real
>>343535346
they gimp their cards with games not drivers
>>343539697
>AIBs can create a fully custom PCB if they want to
Too bad nothing on the PCB controls PCIE slot power, that's handled on the Bus Interface controlled which is on the GPU itself, not the board.
>and it's up to them where the power comes from
No, they can control how much extra power gets drawn from the 6/8 pin connectors, that power is used to overclock. Whatever power the GPU Bus Interface was manufactured to draw from the PCIE slot is set in stone.
>>343517480
>AMD makes card more powerful than advertised
>Autists sperg out over it
If you can't afford a 600w PSU don't bother building a PC.
>>343539975
What if they just replace +12 -12 V pins going from PCIe to GPU with +12 -12 V pins from 8 pin PSU connector?
>>343539760
Power MOSFETs don't give a shit where the power comes from. The GPU has nothing to do with it. You don't fucking pipeline 12V straight into the GPU core you muppet.
>>343539975
If that's true, then why do different 960s draw extremely varying amounts of power from the PCIe slot? The GPU in them is the exact same.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html
>>343537353
let's get this shit started m8
>>343540283
>more powerful than advertised
Kek, I don't think you understand this sittuation at all.
The cards are not more powerful that advertised you dumb shit.
>>343540283
AMD made a card less power efficient than advertised, you fucking mongoloid.
>>343540519
Yes they are.
They advertised 150W. They draw +160W. That's over 10W more powerful.
>>343540283
This
Nvidiots BTFO. So what if the RX480 has difficulty with 400w PSUs? nobody ever uses those, lmao.
>>343540621
(you)
>>343540621
Does your tard wrangler know you managed to get on the computer?
>>343540659
>mfw my GTX 980 uses less power than the 480 while underclocked and still delivers better performance
>>343540621
NVIDIOTS BTFO
NVIDIA CAN'T EVEN COMPETE
>rant on
"We also fired the clown who increased gpu voltage on the press issue cards, that is of course different than the ones we sent for pci-e specification and certainly won't be making to the end user"
>rant off
>>343530485
Custom budget builds usually have a PSU that are around 400-500W, pre-built systems can differ a lot but the average pre-built poorfag system is around 350-400W I believe. Even lower if they don't accommodate dedicated GPU.
Take off 10-15% of the titled number and then you have the expected amount of power a PSU can deliver to your system.
I don't believe any gaming PC out there does not have a strong enough PSU to power a 480, the issue is that AMD fucked up big time by literally bottle necking the card's power input so that there is no way for the card to get sufficient power.
>Meanwhile at everyone who tried the RX480
RIP. AMD, not even once.
>>343520168
There is no excuse to not buy a good psu.
>>343527309
>that board
>that ram
that picture must be like 14 years old
>>343520168
it has 1 6 pin connector, but overdraws from it.
It's not about the PSU it's about the possible fuckups of not using 2 6 pin connectors to avoid this type of issues.
so we just need a new bios revision, 8 pin and non-blower cooler
this is why you never buy founders editions
>>343541624
Who hasn't tasted their own cum?
>RX 480 consumes almost as much power as a 1070 that has twice the performance
>1060 will end up having more performance than RX 480 with only 2/3 the power consumption
Why is AMD so bad?
Unrelated, but will you fags please get off of /g/?
>>343541845
1060 will be the new 970
>tfw you didn't fall for the 480 meme
Can't wait for the 1060 to BTFO of the 480.
>>343541845
>RX 480 consumes almost equal power to a 970 and put a single 6 pin on it
What the fuck where they thinking?
Also >22nm vs 14nm yet neck and neck in consumsion
Lel
how pricey will the 1060 be ?
>>343542596
It wont be that much more than a 480.
>>343542596
It will probably have 10% better performence for $30 more than a 480.
if im poor as fuck is a 370 r7 worth it
>>343542869
No just wait till you get the money for a rx 480, the 370 is horrible value.
>>343543060
doesnt look that bad for $110 and all i really want to do is play SFV and maybe killer instinct
>>343543273
Its a pretty low tier card. Might be worth looking at used cards so you could get something more powerful.
As ever do your own research.
If you have a 480, you should undervolt it for right now.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4qupw4/super_psa_all_rx480_owners_please_attempt_to/
>>343543656
>If you have a 480
People can't be this retarded?
>>343533358
RIP PSU ;_;7
>>343543912
Have you been on /v/ at all for the last week, there has been more 480 threads than I can count for any other video card. There were droves of threads telling people its the 2nd coming. I'm sure some people bought into it. Meme card or not, just to be safe, they should undervolt for now.
>>343542864
>It will probably have 10% better performence for $100 more than a 480.
>>343544150
the true rebel card
dosnt care about no rules
like me
true rebel
>>343544150
I figured everyone would at least be smart enough to wait for an aftermarket solution. Nobody really buys FE, unless they're wanting top notch performance right now like w/ the 1080.
why not just use an 8pin? do poorfags not even have 8pin connectors or something?
>>343544320
reference cards rules
7970 ref was the best card ive had
and ive had 4 7970s, only 1 ref
>>343544379
You can't use an 8 pin if the card only has a 6 pin you autismal faggot.
>>343543912oy vey!
>>343519173
4/10, not bad.
This doesnt matter at all unless you have a shitty/ASRock motherboard.
>>343544379
i have a 1000w psu
1x 480
2500k
and a sound card
>>343544570
I'm talking about the video card you retard
>expecting anything from reference design cards
ishiggidy diggidy doo
The only card i ever had with a reference cooler was my good old 8800GT, damn that card was awesome, but the stock cooler.... well people used to say "this card is made to run at 110ºc so you're ok at 102ºc"
i instantly bought a gigantic passive cooler and the card never went over 75º with overclocks.
the 480 will most likely be an amazing card once cards come out with custom designs (extra power inputs) and custom coolers.
nVidia seems to have done well with their stock coolers but i still wouldn't trust one.
I'm hoping to see some great stuff when custom 1060's and 480's start coming out, but i'll stick with my R9 290 for a while.
>>343544424
Yes, but the 7970 WAS top notch performance. the RX480 is some low-mid tier card, there's no reason to rush and get one ASAP.
>>343544689
lmao
PSUs are most efficient over 50% load. You're just wasting energy. I fell for the same meme though.
>>343535840
Because cheap pre-built PCs with shitty PSUs only have 6-pin PCI-express.
>nvidia moving up 1060 by months to put AMD out of their misery
absolutely brutal
I still think I'll go for 1070 though
>>343544848
but overwatch was lagging 1440p 144hz
and i want to wait for zen/vegas
AMD is Volkswagen of computer industry.
>>343545094
Yes, yes, I get it. the 7970 is no longer top notch performance. It was one of the best cards at the time though, and I am glad to have owned one.
>>343545043
To be honest I can't WAIT for the marketing. Remember this? Imagine the possibilities. I'd love to be on the Nvidia marketing team right about now.
>>343544937
It was a leftover from some other builds i had
>>343544689
See, thats all kinds of retarded.
I personally have an 8320e clocked to 4.7ghz and a 290x capable of 1200mhz core (which requires staggering voltage) so a 750w unit is fairly sensible for my needs - especially if I play ashes of the singularity (that game fucking eats hardware alive).
If I run my system full tilt its probably eating in the region of 600 watts.
When are they going to release benchmarks for the 1060
I'm too poor for a 1080, so goddamit I need something that was suppose to do the RX 480's job.
>>343545116
nVidia is the BMW.
overpriced nice cars with completely retarded and fanatical owners.
>>343545486
1 or 2 weeks
>>343545409
290x is the worst gpu i had
it was broken at deliver, still have it here as a papperweight
thinking about returning it some day, soon the 2 year warrenty has expired
>>343545486
5 days.
http://videocardz.com/61769/exclusive-powercolor-radeon-rx-480-devil-pictured
8pin power connector.
>>343545248
>150W TDP means 150W TDP
>Guarantee PCI-E frying-free
>>343545669
>doa
>doesn't return it asap
Consumer rights exist y'know.
My 290x has served me well and will continue to do so until 4k becomes viable on a single gpu (which i'm predicting with an adaptive sync screen will be roughly when vega/1080ti/whatever the fuck nvidia calls it) launch.
>>343545783
Sapphire is doing the same.
XFX should have done it too.
>>343530337
Power delivery bruh
>>343545783
>8pin power connector.
then why is that +2 connector dangling over it
These people buying the 1080 and such if you're making that much money in the first place then that means you won't have time to make use of that 1080 because you've have to be working all the time to earn enough money for it.
>>343544320
Sadly enough, as it is now, FE edition of GTX1070 and GTX1080 is the cheapest one around.
AMD fucked up by not putting 8pin on their gpu.
Nvidia fucked up by making shit up and overcharge for it.
>>343543656
underrated
>>343545878
after the terrible cooler on my 7950 i never expect anything from XFX.
my current Asus r9 290 has two heatpipes that don't even touch the damn chip and it still performs much better even with overclocks.
I just want to play video games with good performance but both GPU manufacturers have problems.
>>343530296
>has a Rampage motherboard
>can only afford a 480
>>343546078
Fun fact: the asus 290 cooler is the 780 cooler (note the 780 is a bigger chip) bolted onto the hawaii pcb.
>>343545973
some PSUs have 10pin connectors
>>343527219
>>343528134
>>343528229
>nooo it's stupid!
>delete this!
>>343546173
i know, asus went retard in that but at least it still works quite well.
>>343545984
>These people buying the 1080 and such if you're making that much money in the first place then that means you won't have time to make use of that 1080 because you've have to be working all the time to earn enough money for it.
Just keep telling yourself that. It isn't like I dropped 1k on a monitor and $500 on a new keyboard and mouse because I just felt like spending some money and thought I might get a 1080 eventually.
>>343545832
Introducing new NVIDIA PCI-E GUARD on all NVIDIA graphics cards.
Guaranteed to work on standard motherboards without damaging equipment.
>>343519173
6/10 until the aftermarket (which everyone should buy because reference designs are always garbage) cards fix the issue by having an 8-pin connector.
>>343541383
kek
so nvidia released whql approved drivers that destroyed graphics cards, and that's apparently fine
>>343546375
They aren't usually this garbage.
>>343546180
lmao what even uses 10 pins
>>343546439
multiple times..
>>343546439
Fine in what world? The only good thing about those is that you can at least avoid driver upgrades.
>>343545984
I'm a uni student on student loans and I can still afford one. When I graduate I'll just have a 9-5.30 job, plenty of time for videogames.
Its funny to see 4chan readily accepting Reddit as a source of drama as long as its drama. Like, everything goes out the fucking window . If Reddit says it sux then it really must suck.
>>343546459
Sure. But regardless of what degree of garbage they are you shouldn't use them as a rule of thumb.
So the only thing really keeping AMD from going out of business is that consoles have been pretty dependent on them as of late? Are their CPUs also cheap shit?
>>343546640
Reddit sucks AMD cock 24/7 tho. Have you had a look at that AMD reddit? No negativity allowed apparently.
>>343546640
/v/ hates Reddit but doesn't deny facts.
>>343546828
>>343546640
let's be honest here.
you have two opinions, 1 from reddit and 1 from /v/
which one will you take seriously?
be honest.
>>343546828
Yes, you people keep linking it because it portrays AMD negatively.
I've seen maybe 10 unique posts about the 480 frying a mobo. I've seen every retailer sell out of 480s.
Why aren't we seeing this more often?
Why is it REDDIT and random south side of the dickhole part of town 1 post forum accounts the only source of news on that?
Why is all this suddenly accepted?Because lulz have taken over thats why.
>>343535346
those are year old games that have been optimized for the 6xx or whatever series years ago
go try play a modern game on those gpus
>>343546825
until things start taking advantage of those 8 cores amd uses, intel is better for a lot of things like emulation, games. dx12/vulkan are supposed to help out a lot though. right now an intel for something like emulating the wii/ps2 will cream an amd processor though. like to the point where dual core i3s are faster than 8 core amds.
>>343546998
Neither, but I bought my current card based on /g/ opinion. Never again, fucking memesters.
>have a 290
>thought of getting one of these to replace it
>its barely better
>amd can't even do their one market they have a reasonable foot-hold in, well
wow
>>343546938
really I see people deny facts every day, including assholes saying the rx480 was gonna beat a 980 when we knew it wouldn't.
everyone is making up shit as they go here.
>>343517480
AMDrones will defend this
>>343547063
Reddit's not provided as a source lmao, they'd never go against their masters aka Pajeet.
>>343546825
They're still in business with favour of eldritch gods and black magic. AMD goes like this since 2000's:
>overheating garbage
>incredible breakthough
>overheating garbage
>incredible breakthrough
..
.
case in point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxSqCdT7xPY
>>343532291
780Ti used to cost way more than a 290x too
The same thing will happen with the 970/980/980ti now, especially as they have shit dx12 performance
>>343547087
What card are you talking about?
>>343547263
>A video from ten years ago
>>343547087
you fucking retarded fuckface, /g/ knows as much about technology as /v/ knows about videogames...
>>343546640
>Ignore AMD press release about the issue
>Ignore Toms HW and other sites testing the issue independently and finding its true, and worse than expected
>Ignore forum posts on AMD's site
>muh reddit boogeyman
lettit amirite XDD
>>343547246
Reddit and shitty 1 post forum accounts aren't just the source being cited, it's all /nVidia/ is posting
>>343529320
Shit-end mobos from 5 years ago came with 4 pci-e slots anon. Though only one would tend to be x16 (or x8) while the rest would be x8 or x4, and you don't need x16 for shitcoin mining.
>>343547501
Did you read the press release?
Go read it now. Come back later and we can discuss it.
>>343547489
It's from 15 years ago. 10 years ago was when it was uploaded. It's still hilarious to see AMD's having problems in engineering department.
>>343541005
Not in DX12
I have a 980 myself and I am getting rid of it as soon as Vega is out, 980 is gonna be trash in next years games
>>343547679
>980 is gonna be trash in next years games
???
>>343547679
>the aots shilling got to him
Looks like AMD tactics are effective.
>>343546267
It is, though.
Its the tech review equivalent of Kids React.
>Oh look at these
>I don't know what they mean but look!
>It could be a problem, but I don't know!
wow, yeah.
What every "480 killed my berderboard" forum poster sounds like:
>"oh wow, my new AMD 480 killed my motherboard, i'm like, so angry right now, wew. But really, this is expected from poor AMD products, that's why i will only buy nVidia™ reliable products from now on, because they are really good. Oh yeah, i'm like.... so mad right now and stuff"
>>343546998
That depends on who is right.
>>343547679
Shit at what, Windows 10 vaporware? Pass.
>>343547905
There's a few that are legit sounding but they always end up saying their motherboard is from 2007 or they overclocked it and it shat things up like that isn't an expected outcome of overclocking.
>>343547918
why would you ask for opinions if you already have a preconception of which one is wrong or right?
that's just fanboyism at work, that's just asking around for people who support your way of thinking so you don't feel alone in your choice.
you're searching for a circlejerk, not opinions.
>>343547905
Yes all people having problems are just a part of an elaborate Nvidia™ campaign.
Well done my fellow AMD™ sh- user!
>>343547836
Majority of next years games will be DX12/Vulkan. Maxwell has no Async (aka 380x will be trading blows with 980 in async games, 390x will just shit on it) and will most likely receive no further performance/optimization through drivers since Pascal is here.
>>343547839
>>343547918
>Nvidia missing technology on their cards
>I-its shit anyway!
Free performance is free performance.
>>343547905
500 rupees have been added to your account.
where's the 480 nano amd?
>>343547918
>Windows 10 vaporware
i bet you'll be one of those grannies that still use Windows XP because everything since XP has been shit and evil.
>>343548235
>Majority of next years games will be DX12/Vulkan.
literally just MS games.
>>343548235
>async
>async
>async
The latest AMDrone buzzword.
Have some reading
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2015/09/02/directx-12-is-out-lets-review/
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/05/17/nvidias-geforce-gtx-1080-and-the-enigma-that-is-directx-12/
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2016/06/04/the-damage-that-amd-marketing-does/
>>343548235
The poster child for DX12 has the 980 getting absolutely slaughtered.
Note: the msi 390x is the highest clocked hawaii card in existence.
>>343548329
thanks, but i'd be happy with just 3.5 rupees and some wood screws
>>343548485
>Ashes of Singularity
Every time.
>>343548485
The poster child for AMD*
>it's okay when AMD use their shill game but IT DOESN'T COUNT when Nvidia use theirs
Do people actually play that game outside of benchmarking?
>>343548485
>aots
every time
>But here Oxide is again, in the news… This time they have another ‘benchmark’ (do these guys actually ever make any actual games?), namely “Ashes of the Singularity”.
And, surprise surprise, again it performs like a dog on nVidia hardware. Again, in a way that doesn’t make sense at all… The figures show it is actually *slower* in DX12 than in DX11. But somehow this is spun into a DX12 hardware deficiency on nVidia’s side. Now, if the game can get a certain level of performance in DX11, clearly that is the baseline of performance that you should also get in DX12, because that is simply what the hardware is capable of, using only DX11-level features. Using the newer API, and optionally using new features should only make things faster, never slower. That’s just common sense.
>What Oxide is probably doing, is probably the same thing as they did with Star Swarm: They feed it a workload that they KNOW will choke on a specific driver/GPU (in the case of Star Swarm they sent extremely long command lists to DX11. This mostly taxed the memory management in the driver, which was never designed to handle lists of that size. nVidia fixed up their drivers to deal with it though. It was never really an API issue, they just sent a workload that was completely unrepresentative of any realistic game workload). Again a case of bad code being bad. When you optimize a rendering pipeline for an actual game, you will look for a way to get the BEST performance from the hardware, not the worst. So worst case you don’t use asynchronous shaders, and you should get DX11-level as a minimum (there is no way to explicitly use asynchronous shaders in DX11). Best case you use a finely tuned workload to make use of new features such as asynchronous shaders to boost performance.
>Intel and Nvidia are going to have to send billions to AMD to bail them out or else face anti-trust lawsuits when AMD goes belly-up and they become monopolies
Engineers might've been trying to play fair and square, but some executive saw greater profit in phoning it in and getting failed out.
>>343548143
I don't remember asking for opinions, I provided an opinion.
>>343548235
Even if I had a R9 Fury X, I would not install Windows 10. In fact, I wish I had an R9 Fury X. Too bad it's ridiculously expensive and AMD drank the nvidia koolaid which forced them to cripple the Fury X by not allowing non-reference designs. Just like the Titan X blows ass because of its shitty cooler, the same applies to the Fury X all the while a regular R9 Fury gets all the cool designs.
>>343548235
Do you even know how long it took DX11 (or even DX10) to be used in more than a handful of games? DX12/Vulkan isn't going to be common, let alone the only APIs used for games for forever.
>>343548697
nvidia shills with games like "watch dogs"
are we going to talk about how impressive that game final release was?
>>343548485
>>343548697
This is just ridiculous. Whenever Ashes of Singularity is brought up I know we're dealing with an AMDrone. You must know you're simply a parody at this point, right?
>>343548929
Literally no one shilled Watch Dogs except Ubi and a few ironic shitters (You) baiting. Try again.
>>343548768
To be fair, DX11 also performed worse than DX9 in a lot of the early games that used it. I think it's just devs needing time to get used to a new API. Though what this post is saying also makes sense.
>>343548897
>I don't remember asking for opinions, I provided an opinion.
this is a discussion on a website with 146 individual posters on this thread alone, which means you're asking for opinions with every post you write you fucking dipstick.
If you want for people to listen to you and not reply than go to a mute convention.
faggot
>>343526154
>redditor
Kill yourself.
>>343517480
lol amd is such trash
>>343548768
Almost like every title with Gameworks or unecessary tesselation out the ass, right?
>>343519173
buy a new mobo in 3 months/10
this is not typical of an average thread
>>343549313
so is nVidia
Matrox master race.
>>343549356
Basically.
So if you post ashes of singularity, you forfeit your right to complain about other people posting gameworks titles.
>>343549429
Yes every single thread is explicitly 1 post per ipkill yourself.
>if Nvidia isn't winning it doesn't count
Its like pottery. Every time Nvidia poor DX12 performance is brought up it is instantly discredited.
Remember when Nvidia had DX10 removed fro massassin's creed because they sucked shit at it and AMD didn't? Fun times. Or when ARK had its DX12 patch delayed forever because - again - Nvidia sucked balls at it?
Or the ongoing trend of most DX12 games favouring AMD. /v/ tells us AMD has no money to work with developers so something must be going on for GCN to gain the lead it does.
Pic related, /v/ in another guise.
>>343549226
Okay, so by that logic I'm not allowed to have an opinion divergent from yours because I posted it on a public forum and I'm not particularly interested in changing it?
I think you were projecting when you proposed that I was a fanboy. Because I really don't care about DX12. I can't use it. Windows 7 doesn't support it and I find most AAA games to be shit. Simple as that. When your only argument as to why AMD is good is that it performs well at DX12, you can at least understand that I'll find that "feature" to be unimpressive for reasons such as "I can't use that".
If you told me that nvidia has a great feature called Shadowplay and I should be buying Nvidia because of it, I'd be equally unimpressed because I don't fucking use it and I don't intend to use it. I use OBS.
>>343549539
nFaggots were the first ones to complain about that shit in the thread actually.
>>343548768
>>343548643
>>343548697
>>343545873
>until 4k becomes viable on a single gpu
But it is? What's not is 4k 60 fps.
>>343549429
>>343523730
400 posts, 101 IPs.
>>343523612
436 posts, 104 IPs.
>>343527553
394 posts, 174 IPs
>>343549704
>Every time Nvidia poor DX12 performance is brought up it is instantly discredited.
No it's literally just AOTS. Almost every single time.
>>343549683
hello newfriend
>>343541729
Me. I get really curious but feel like it would be a really bad idea.
>>343549761
And did you see them posting gameworks titles as a counterargument?
Are you so stupid that you completely missed the point of my post?
>>343546470
Some PSUs
>>343549356
At least those have actual visual differences, no matter how minor. Ashes has two implementations that accomplish the same thing, and yet forces one over the other even in cases when it's guaranteed to be slower. That doesn't make any kind of sense. It would be like having a non-physx implementation of your game's eye candy alongside a physx option that looks exactly the same but runs better on nvidia, and then forcing AMD cards to use the physx option over the one that would work far better and is already implemented.
>>343549791
by viable he means 60fps without much tweaking.
>>343549791
Even on high settings the majority of gpus can't push much above 30fps in most games. Once 40-50 becomes doable (with good frametimes) then we are truly ready for 4k.
>>343549861
You sure?
>>343549758
and now you're taking everything out of context and overexplaining it.
well done
>>343549981
>no 980
???
>>343549942
So...exactly like how physx works? Remember aegis had it run on the cpu originally.
>>343549926
>gets btfo
>YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND MY POAST!
every
fucking
time
>>343549991
Why do you have to be butthurt for no reason?
>>343549704
>DX12
>anything but a windows 10 meme
>>343550065
Probably didn't have one to test with. Still at that resolution it would most likely match the 390.
>>343549981
I'm good at cherrypicking too.
>>343541405
if you would actually read the thread here you would find the link to that forum and pic. but you're an idiot anon
>>343550217
We'll run out of DX12 games before we have Nvidia beating AMD in more than a fraction of them.
>>343548929
>Ashes
>Impressive
Rupees deposited
>Ordered a 1070 last Monday.
>It finally shipped out on Friday.
>Lands in Tennessee, finally making some progress.
>Get a straight up call from homeland security saying that my package was considered an I.E.D and was destroyed on site.
>Get grilled for like 2 hours when agents arrive at my house.
>Show them my order on newegg and it takes them forever to verify it.
>They finally leave.
>Contact newegg and tell them about the situation, they are aware of it.
>Ask if I could get a new card.
>Say that they're out of stock.
>Ask for my money back then.
>They tell me the transaction is going to be on hold until the government continues its investigation.
>mfw
I just wanted to play video games man.
>>343550216
>980 to ti only has 31 more frames
>in 1080
>for a fucking fighting game
>locked at 135(?)
I mean sure.
>>343550121
>i'll just avoid the discussion by calling him butthurt
/v/
>>343527750
Why the hell didn't they just increase the die size, add an 8 pin connector and throw an extra fan on as an unprecedented reference cooling design for maybe 50 bucks extra?
It's not even that compact of a card.
Did they really want this to fail? jesus fuck
Somebody on the board design fucked up? Might have to issue a recall.
>>343550527
Coming from the one who ended the discussion with passive-aggressive snark, that's precious.
>>343550365
>AMD in charge of stable frame rate in DX12
>>343550365
>a 980ti can't even pull 60fps at fucking 1080
>a fucking fury x barely manages 62
nah
nVidia shills in this thread should be hired by AMD.
I'm always neutral towards nvidia or AMD but you morons are so defensive you make anyone dislike the brand you're shilling for.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR
>>343550649
>no u
/v/ 2.0
it just gets better and better
>>343550717
Why do you need Internet morons to dislike Nvidia and AMD? Both of them have business practices that rival the worst of Microsoft.
>>343550696
>AMD in charge of stable frame rate in DX12 v2
>>343550709
QB has some weird ass rendering tricks that are designed to use the Xbone to its fullest and don't work all that well on PC. It renders 4 720p frames with 4x msaa on each and then composites them. It uses some hardware feature of the Xbone to swap frames out and this doesn't work well on PC. It also has GI.
>>343550383
DELETE THIS
>>343550504
>980ti
>6fps ahead of a 290x
Thats not good for Nvidia fyi. In fact that is horrific scaling from 980 -> 980ti. I would wager that a 390x would be requalling the 980ti had those ruskies one to test with.
Yet again the 780ti is murdered in the street by GCN.
>AMD drivers
I mean... I'm not a fanboy. I just wouldn't buy an AMD card with their track record. If their track record improved, then maybe. But no, I won't buy shit just because it's cheaper.
>>343550860
>It renders 4 720p frames with 4x msaa on each and then composites them.
well that's kind of neat actually.
Atleast I'm not missing much.
>>343547679
you are retarded...
>>343551009
CPU bottleneck.
Should've been pretty damn obvious.
>>343551161
hint:he doesn't actually have a 980
>>343525038
Have a 760 myself. It still runs anything fine at 1080p. Sure, 1070 and 1080 blow it out of the water, but aren't truly next gen while 1080Ti should be something exceptional, new memory and all. So I'll wait and see how that turns out and if I can afford it.
>Market at card with fantastic price/ performance
>Damages your motherboard
>Gimp it with a driver update
>Loses price/ performance
You can't make this shit up
>tfw you bought the 480.
I opened one side of the box, but never even took the card out of the anti-static bag.
Will Microcenter let me return it if I tell them this and mention that they are having lots of problems and will be recalled soon since they are killing motherboards?
...i just wanted to finally upgrade from my 6950... I didn't even have to really, but it's 6 years old and I think I should put the ol' girl to rest.
>>343551201
On a 4.6ghz 5960x? That is one impressive cpu bottleneck.
(okay i'm just baiting, at 1080p any cpu holds back high end gpus - Intel doesn't make a cpu fast enough to keep up)
>>343551556
Best part is that the reason it kills motherboards is because AMD thought tech illiterate retards would be scared by an 8 pin power connector or 2 6 pin power connectors. Nvidia 1070 has 2x6pin and it has pretty much the same TDP. Same story with 970. Which it is supposed to compete with.
>PCFats claim to be better than console-kiddies
>non-stop warring over graphics card brands
You have two choices: Incompetent pajeets or lawbreaking anti-consumerists
Ah, my 570. I love having a card so old it doesn't even show up on the benchmarking charts, not even at the bottom.
>>343517480
so whats the fucking statement asshole? not clicking your blog
>Fortunately, we can adjust the GPU's tuning via software in order to resolve this issue.
This doesn't mean they are gimping the card to be less power hungry right?
>>343551764
Actually it's incompetent pajeets and incompetent chinks. Both of them break the law at about the same rate.
>>343531561
AMD doesn't have a lot of resources.
>>343551582
Microcenter has a good refund policy, as long as you include everything that came with it they'll let you return it within 14 days or whatever the hell it is.
I bought a 970 from microcenter last summer from them when Nvidia had the deal giving away MGS V with their cards. Bought the card, had the MGS V code printed on the receipt, try to put the car into my computer, the cooler was slightly 2 large to fit into my case, brought it back and returned it for a different model 970 that was smaller, got a 2nd code for MGS V that I gave to my friend.
>>343526713
Just look up some benchmark you filthy amd shill.
>>343549704
AMD also doesn't use conservative rasteration for DX 12. This technique could enhance graphics a bit. Async computer improves performance, but it's not as big of a game changer as people chalk it up to be.
>>343551854
What consumer law does AMD break?
AMD doesn't pay off developers to make games run worse on older nvidia cards and amd cards.
I can't buy from nvidia out of principle. You buy a 1080, you're buying a new card in a year as they force obsolescence on you to buy yearly.
>>343528807
>have a 970 strix
>Never experienced the stutter meme
>still satisfied with my purchase.
Feels fucking good not buying shitty amd cards.
And this is why you just buy a PS4
>>343552232
Buy an AMD card and you need a new mobo and new card in a year.
>>343552343
And it'll still cost you half of a single nvidia card every six months
>>343517480
>friend bought 2 480s
>dont see him online for a day
>manage to message him
>the cards drew 100w from his PCIe slots and fried his top-tier mobo
>went and got a 1080
laffin
>>343548235
>dx12
>being used at all
epic meme
>>343552232
What consumer law does nvidia break?
What you described isn't one. Both AMD and Nvidia have offered technical support, software solutions and free hardware to game developers. Nvidia does it more than AMD, but that's a negative for AMD if anything.
>>343552473
>things that didn't happen
>>343552579
>forcing obsolesence in your old cards so they vastly underperform in new games due to bullshit "effects" you paid the devs to include and paying devs to make games run worse on your competitions cards is perfectly legal
Kill yourself
>old video card fried
>was a Visiontek Radeon HD 7950
>died just after the warranty
>no help from VT
>currently limping on a decade old spare card I kept just in case this happens
What would be a good card to replace the previous one? I don't have a double monitor setup, don't expect to use one soon, and I want to play this generation's games at good details. Expecting to spend $300-$500-and-change, $600 hard limit.
I'm not gonna fuck around with second tier manufacturers anymore. Sapphire or EVGA this time. Don't care about loyalty to AMD or Nvidia. I've got a PCI-E slot and a 700w power supply budget, if I'm remembering correct. I'll have to find out what I've got and buy appropriately.
That said, what's a good starting point? I heard Nvidia just released a new card.
Soon we'll have something else to compare than these shilled DX12 game benchmarks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JMD1Ytn5M
>>343552692
did u no that the develepor of the geam can say no and that this is not eleagle?
>>343552598
except it did
mind you, it didnt fry the entire mobo. just a good portion of it. most of the USB ports were inoperable, audio jack were non functional and obviously all cards werent able to interface with the mobo.
stay mad
>>343552191
This is an interesting take on DX12 and what it means.
http://www.gamedev.net/topic/666419-what-are-your-opinions-on-dx12vulkanmantle/#entry5215019
>>343531978
This doesn't happen anymore though.
So, Vulkan stuff when?
>>343550408
w8 it this a new meme joke b/c GPU's exploding if so lol good one XD
>brother buys 480
>installs it
>uses it for a day
>buys a new case because his current shit one has no fans and shit air flow
>puts everything into new case
>pc turns on, then off
>he just had to buy an old Z68 chipset mobo for $200 for his i5 since the only ones availble for cheap are crap intel mobos.
i bet the 480 did this.
>>343552692
I still use a nvidia Fermi housefire that was released in 2010. It is less obsolete than the AMD cards released at the time. So you're basically making an argument against AMD. because their solutions from 2010 are even worse. Nevermind 2008. My 2008 AMD FireGL barely works at all and the drivers are capable of irreversibly bricking themselves. (at least I don't know how to unbrick them once they are fucked).
My GTX 9600 works just fine.
>>343552692
I have seen no concrete evidence that driver updates gimp cards. Someone even posted evidence to the contrary in this very thread. And high tessellation levels not running well on old cards isn't a surprise so if you want to run Gameworks effects then yeah, you're going to need a new card. Amazing that newer cards are better at certain things than older cards right? I mean I didn't complain when turning on tessellation in Max Payne 3 lowered my framerate a bit when I had a 5870. I just didn't turn it on.
>>343553135
>bumpgate
If I have a 650 Watt power supply and a mobo that I bought for $250 , will I be okay with the 480?
>>343553462
Maybe. Try it and report back.
>>343553462
yes but wait for the non reference cards
better coolers and 8pins
>>343550408
Good story, but that shit would have been all over the news.
>>343553579
>>343553538
if it makes any difference, the Mobo is the Z68-XP-UD3
Was top tier back in 2011. Currently using i5 2500k and a HD 6950
Absolutely no problems whatsoever since I got it.
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