Why don't you play fighting games, /v/?
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Why don't you play fighting games, /v/?
>>343509698
im bad at button mashers
But I do.
Because there are too many good games available to me to waste hundreds of hours on one game , and still not even be that good.
I like defensive/zoning games, which rules out every popular game on the market right now.
And I got tired of all my old FGs.
>>343509698
SUGOI SUGOI
>>343510029
SUGOI...
>>343509698
nothing fun about getting beat up on the corner of your screen with no way of getting up
>>343510015
>I like defensive/zoning games
Try Pokken.
I don't play 2d fighters because I find them to be a bit clunky and require far too much practice to even be 'decent' at.
3d fighters (ala VF, SC or Tekken) allow anybody with natural rhythm and a little bit of prior experience with games to play. You can pick up Tekken and hold your own far better than all of the 2d animu fighting games.
EFZ > Melty
>>343510125
>letting yourself get backed into a corner
>Implying you can't escape after a while
Senpai...
>>343510254
While it's easier for beginner to mash buttons in Tekken than in 3D games, reaching basic proficiency in 3D is harder.
>>343510426
it's worse when a cute girl does it to you
because no fighting game really caught my attention since skullgirls and I'm tired of playing that and 3rd strike all day long
>>343510612
All characters in 3D play basically the same in my experience playing Tekken/BR, oki is retard shit, combos are easy, pressure is braindead, etc. I never played VF, and I hear that's hard, but it's dead in my scene.
It least in Tekken the game is piss easy until you start fighting people that know loads of frame data and you realize half your pokes are unsafe. This didn't happen to me online really, and didn't happen until I played at a national level and even then a ton of pool players still didn't know shit.
been a while since i played MB. 2 months ago, we used to have MB almost everyday until it got released on steam. if anyone from EU wanna play, i can host.
>>343511995
BR?
>>343509698
Online tech isn't good enough.
Only the shittiest game are played
I just play character action game instead, same gameplay experience but with actual levels and story.
>>343509698
I play melee if you want to count that, played a couple hours of skullgirls and liked how the neutral and defense game played, but I don't like having to memorize a billion inputs to combo. Also playing with a 360 pad is aids and I don't want to sink money into a stick, although a pad doesn't seem all that bad.
Been thinking about picking up 3rd strike or sfv, I like aggro play. Recommend me games.
I suck at them, the singleplayer content is not enough in that games, I have no friends to play with (they are all huge normies) and I don't understand any of the terms that advanced players use.
I'd like to change this, but I'm too lazy
>>343512948
>character action game
>same gameplay experience
They're not even remotely the same.
>>343512948
>same gameplay experience
Only if you're talking about the training mode with the AI off.
No good ones out.
I only care for 2d.
I hate anime fighters
That leaves me with sfv, which is trash. 8frames and homogenized cast makes for boring gameplay. Even with Balrog it's still dull because he does no damage without vtrigger and can't reliably use vtrigger because you need meter for v reversal
I can't get good because I will go to training mode for 5 min, get bored, go online and get my asked kicked. I really need to just force myself to practice
I tried to get into them numerous amounts of times but I can honestly say that I simply dislike the process of improving in them.
In other competitive games you improve by playing. Watching replays is one thing, but you rarely ever sit in a lobby for multiple hours trying to iron out mistakes. In fighting games you spend a lot of time in training modes, and even more time watching demos, trying to iron out mistakes. Another problem I have with them is the smaller communities unless you play SFV. A proper match making system appeal more to me than the lobby systems do because especially against good people youre bound to lose.
Guess thats one of the upsides of team based competitive games or even stuff like Starcraft and Quake. Especially in Quake and Starcraft training didnt even feel so mindnumbingly boring because it happens on a 3D plane with more freedom of movement.
>>343513213
Sure m8
They have no good stories
>>343513262
>No good ones out.
What
>>343513432
List one that is 2d and not an anime fighter/airdasher
>>343509698
>Why don't you play fighting games, /v/?
too hard for QTE-wired pea-brains of today's gaymores
Except I do. Why do you shitpost OP?
>>343513380
Oh and to add to that: they are on consoles and borderline dead on PC. I simply hate using my PS4 and thats even though it sitting on my table and being connected to one of my screens. I simply hate everything about it and dont even know why. Using consoles simply is tiresome in my opinion.
>>343513505
KOF
UNIEL
>>343512948
>character action
Dont be a fag anon
>>343513538
Those are both anime.
Fighting games are filled with people who have been basically playing ever since they were a little kid, playing SF2 in arcades or on the SNES. They've been training almost their whole lives at fighting games and there's basically no way you could ever hope to compete.
Fighting games are hard to get into and asking for help is almost useless. Everyone either dismisses you for being a newb/scrub/etc or gives you advice that's no help to you. This is either because their advice is basically "practice more" which is what you've obviously been doing or all in FGC lingo that you can't comprehend.
Basically, fighting games are so insular that it's rare for them to attract any new players completely new to the genre. Fighting games are intimidating and scare people away.
>>343513505
>and not an anime fighter
What's wrong with anime fighters?
>>343513505
Killer Instinct is great. So is Mortal Kombat.
And even though it's anime, Blazblue is great. Don't believe the memelord hipsters who say it's bad. It's got the most unique cast with the best movelists I've ever seen in a 2D fighter.
Then again, you're the kind of guy who judges something without even playing it, already hating Balrog even though you never played as him.
>>343513390
That's just bullshit though. There's nothing you can do about the game just deciding to counter your attack. I like NG but it has a lot of bullshit on the highest difficulty.
>>343513619
Maybe if you consider literally everything that's not SF anime.
>>343513619
>KOF
>even close to anime or airdasher
You don't even want to try.
>>343513713
>Already hating Balrog even though you never played as him.
Except my opinion of him is based off playing him all day yesterday, are you stupid?
>>343513524
enjoy your indie and mmo machine, broski.
Why has no one mentioned Guilty Gear? I got Revelator recently and it's pretty goddamn fun.
>>343513725
I consistently perfect them with barely any damages though.
I like 3d ones but I'm not very good at them either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpXplP_WFE
>>343513701
Not honest, mostly gimmicky characters
I prefer games where footsies and fundamentals are the focus
>>343513694
You're half right. I only started getting into them last year, the terminology can be confusing, but usually wikis have a glossary for that purpose; if all else fails, you can ask /fgg/ and they'll tell you. You do need to practice more but you need a clear plan on what you want to practice. First you want to make sure you can do most of a character's inputs reliably, unless they have a really ridiculous one, then start researching combos and practicing those.
>>343513619
No you retard.
>>343513713
Not a fan of KI. Didn't like mkx over mk9
>>343513819
Because the fucking game did not decide to counter your move your you just looped them like most NG fags do.
Tell me what you can do about the game deciding to do a counter move. Go on.
>>343513603
How do you call those genre then genius?
>>343513795
Dont forget FPS, RTS, ARPG etc. Honestly, the only console genre are fighting games. Apart from that none really are. Maybe racing games but they run better on PC as well, simply arent as popular. Proper simulations however are.
Anyone hyped for UNIEL? It comes out on the 12th.
>>343513864
>Not honest
?
>mostly gimmicky characters
Which anime fighting games have you played? I almost exclusively play them and the characters aren't generally gimmicky beyond what you would normally find in a fighting game, with the exception of Jojo, but almost everyone with a stand is.
>>343513940
I just call them action games like any normal person.
>>343509698
Best character of the best fightan ever coming through
>>343513802
Anime fighter
>>343513856
these are some high level footsies
>>343513728
Street Fighter is the only manly fighting game series left. All the others is pussy feminine cuck ladyboy shit.
Gimme a good one I'll check it out
>>343513969
Why would you be? The online is going to be terrible if MB is anything to go by.
>>343510015
>defensive/zoning
Play a defensive/zoning character in a neutral heavy game
>>343513984
Bb, xrd r, AC+#r, #r, melty blood
Funnily enough I find cps3 Jojo to be most enjoyable
>>343513941
>arpg and fps IN 2016
>not console game
>simulation
>games
ayy lmao, buddy.
>>343513865
someone link sidewinder loops plz
I do, but KOF netplay is dead unfortunately.
>>343513802
No one cares, no one had ever cared, no one will ever care about Guilty Gear. Blazblue is more metal at this point and it's even better gameplay-wise. GG is always dead online and even Nips are fucking bored with the games.
lot of 2d fighters are outdated trash
>>343513989
There's no reason no be specific. Action games also mean crap like Uncharted. There need to be a term about technical melee focused games and character action game describe them well.
You're so fucking autistic.
>>343509698
I don't have a fightstick
>>343513802
YRC's effectively killed ggxrdr
>>343514104
Player either of these on a console is an embarrassment to the genre. But go ahead, play FPS with a controller but please do mankind a favor and refute from breeding.
>>343514154
No anon, uncharted is a 3rd person shooter
>>343512948
>Only the shittiest game are played
You have a decent fightcade scene for every good game like kof 98/2002, street fighter 3.3, 2x or zero 3 and even some on fatal fury and mark of the wolf, what are you complaining about ?
>>343514184
>>343514117
Contender for dumbest post of the week.
Because the first and only time I tried, I got matched against some Korean guy with 3000 matches played and a literal 97% winrate.
The game was Tekken 6 and the guy almost perfected me without blocking once. So yeah, why even bother at that point when I clearly haven't been autistically practicing fighting games for 2 decades like some people?
>>343514240
>fightcade scene
Those are only filled with veterans that played only those games for 2 decades.
>>343513871
>Ask /fgg/
I pity you, stay away from that cesspool apart from maybe the resource links.
>>343514326
They're still useful for quick questions.
>>343514248
YRC's dumbed down ggs neutral game so hard my familia
>>343514041
It's still a fun game to play.
>>343514248
That's why the online is dead, both Xrd games sold poorly, everyone is bored with it and have no interest in it.
But whatever, keep tipping your fedora while denying reality.
>>343514240
No offense but this is one of the most retarded arguments ever. These communities are so piss small that they are basically dead. If you cant understand why a few dozen players arent enough players to be considered a community (by most people) then I cant help you.
Fighting games are DEAD online. 50-100 people do not change dead. In the bigger context they are DEAD. A properly sized community has players at every single skill level, and players at every single skill level who play different characters. Thats a properly sized community, not having 90% veterans and 10% scrubs who all play the same char. If you cant see that this might be discouraging for new players then youre one of the reasons why the genre is dead.
>>343510015
SFV Guile sounds like your thing
>>343513694
Only complete toolboxes who are just above scrub level themselves dismiss new people like that. Basically 99% of /v/ (that actually plays) and eventhubs. For online, your best bets are going to be fightcade or forums for poverty games. Offline, fg players are probably some of the coolest I've ever met personally. I started with BB in 09 (which in the long run is probably the MOST crippling thing you can do since I can only feel confident playing BB) but nobody really gave a shit about that and were perfectly helpful.
As for the lingo, I've always hit here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary_of_fighting_games and I'm good.
>>343514412
>online is dead
Like, literally 3 hours ago almost all Tokyo lobbies had 50+ players in them. 32 lobbies, 10 of which with 64 people playing and the other 22 with 50-60. Sure is dead online.
>>343514460What are poverty games
>>343514513
>Tokyo
Enjoy that full second of lag man. If it even connect.
>>343513505
Mark of the wolves you NIGGER
>>343514358
Only if you're incapable of using google.
Their mentality is awful and literally no one in there is a good offline fighting game player either, it's a community full of elitists without any credentials to back it up.
You know what I liked? Arcana Heart 3 Love Max.
I liked being able to choose from different arcana for different effects and moves, even though it was just a small amount of customization it led to a lot of experimentation and it was fun.
I also liked how much single player content there was. A story mode (that was basically arcade mode with cut scenes), an actual story mode, survival and time trial modes as well as all the VN content. Every character had 10 shorts VNs plus one longer one that was 5 parts long. Using a character long enough would slowly unlock them all. I liked reading through all of them and learning about the characters. Lots of fighting games have really minimal story and character development, so having something like this was great. It also gave me an excuse to use characters I normally wouldn't use, since I wanted to see everyone's VNs and that meant using every character.
>>343514529
Freeware fighters. Usually of the anime variety.
>>343514678
Not that anon but by freeware... like, doujin games or something?
I got into fighting games by playing doujin fighters like Hisotensoku, so now I'm only good at playing fighting games on a keyboard.
>>343514592
You said that the game is dead online. It isnt. No one cares about the west because the game is primarily aiming for the Japanese market. Its like KR MMOs that are aiming for KR, not the west.
The game isnt dead because the Texan or Spanish lobbies are empty. The game simply doesnt appeal to the western audience. However, fighting games in general never did. SFV has 1000 concurrent players on steam, Dota2 and CSGO have 800k each, League of Shitters probably 2m. Westerners dont give a rats ass about fighting games.
I'm really shit at them. Combos are fucking impossible.
>>343514762
I'm not that guy.
But I'm pretty sure when peoples speak about dead online they speak about their own region, and rightfully so. If you can't even enjoy the game that game simply failed it's purpose even if the problem doesn't exist for other peoples.
This is why this genre is crap.
>>343514746
Yeah, basically.
And if it feels comfortable to you, whatever man. I could handle soku, type WILD, and fighting is magic, but 99% of the time, keyboard just feels too awkward to me.
>>343514762
I feel like part of the problem is that fighting games keep dividing themselves. Like, not everyone would of swapped from Sign to Revelator for Guilty Gear Xrd for example. Not to mention that for MOBAs there's really only about 3 that matter so everyone funnels into those. Fighting games aren't so clear cut so we're all pretty divided.
But either way, I still think the fighting game genre needs to attract more players. It's a pity that every game that tried to do so gets spit on and mocked as too easy and "babby's first fighter", despite the fact it probably was designed to be an introduction to fighters in the first place and it's the only thing stopping fighting games from slipping into irrelevancy.
>>343514601
That game is 80 years old
if Americans win SF5 at EVO, will player increse in US?
>>343515029
No, game is ass.
And reviews aren't going to bounce back since retards downvoted it to hell because no arcade mode
They take too much time I'm not willing to spend to learn. I have many other games I could play instead.
They also depend on population too much. While the most popular one is fucking shit.
They pretty much require you to play on a console, and fuck that. I'm not willing to use consoles for anything but single player games either.
There's not enough variety to compensate for all the above. Unlike rhythm games, where I can start it up anytime without needing anyone to play with, play whatever tracks I feel like without waiting for the game to find me an opponent, and have my skill improve naturally and in a way I can see clearly.
Not to mention that the side camera view turns me off somewhat And some other minor things.
So there's that. They still seem pretty fun but they're just not for me.
>>343515029
There's no way in hell an American is going to win SFV, so that's a pointless question.
>>343515029
US is a lot worse than EU at SFV right now.
>>343513864
>Anime fighters can't have footsies and fundamentals meme
Its called neutral you play it before you get in GG and Uniel have a huge neutral game. Also
>Not honest
Almost no fighter is SFV certainly isn't honest its whole games core is based around strike throw jump guessing and momentum and its neutral game is fought with mostly shitty normals until someone can get in 1 second later.
>>343514063
You haven't learned how to play AC+R or XrdR if you think those games don't have a footsies game/fundamentals.
>>343514993
The only thing stopping them from slipping into irrelevancy here is Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Nobody might play them, but they'll know who fucking ryu and scorpion are for as long as vidya exists. The games that try usually tackle bridging the gap in completely wrong ways that MAKE them too simple to last, or easy to abuse.
New players play these games, get shit on in the same ways because it's easier to shit on people, don't learn why they were shit on and blame it on controls still and leave, more experienced players find pretty much everything you can do, get bored fighting the same small group of people, then fuck off back to SF/Tekken/Whatever bigger pond there is and the game dies.
>>343514860
I agree that fighting games are dead, but Guilty Gear isnt what I would consider dead because that game was never expected to be anything but niche. So even as few as 50 concurrent players can be considered a success in the west because then you at least have someone to play against.
>>343514993
>not everyone would of swapped from Sign to Revelator for Guilty Gear Xrd for example
I feel like the bigger problem is the fact that so many of them exist. Its not that one game keeps developing, its the fact that niche games like GG fight over players with BB, Persona etc. Or KI fights with MKX, Tekken etc. Fighting games are a niche, but due to companies pushing so many game the niche communities turn into even smaller ones. The fact that so many people play multiple games also doesnt help. FPS or MOBA players tend to focus on ONE games, which skyrocket concurrent players. Fighting game players usually switch games which makes all titles look dead.
>needs to attract more players
It will never be able to. One reason is that its 1v1, which means that the average casual cannot blame the loss on his team mate. The other reason is that losing feels like you cant do anything about it because of how much the game relies on knowledge/block timing/punish timing etc. The fact that the communities are small is just one aspect that keeps them small, the entire design however (its shit for keyboard for example) is the biggest problem if you ask me.
No matter what console players say: Competitive gaming happens on PC. Everything else is a joke in comparison. The fact that fighting games are dead on PC/borderline unplayable with a keyboard is one of the biggest problem they have. Competitive games grow due to hype and a lot of players, fighting games will always stay small because 95% of the PC crowd cant be bothered to switch to pad/arcade stick. Its shit this small that makes them drop the games because it already presents and entry barrier.
I don't play dead games with a bunch of poorfags on fightcade
>>343509698
is that catana hidden in a broom
p cool
>>343515418
>Xrd r
>Footsies
>>343514860
>own region
I live in New Zealand and I have almost never played fighting games multiplayer. There's no one to play them with locally, there's no one to play them with online near me and if I cast the net too far then I just get unbearable lag.
In the end, I very quickly stopped caring about the multiplayer side of fighting games. If it doesn't have a solid single player, it is of zero interest to me.
>>343510007
>fighting games are too hard
>spends thousands of hours dota,csgo,LoL,Hearthstone, cod, wow
Because I'm not austic enough to practice something for hours everyday in traning mode.
>>343515575
>What is a neutral game
Just because you aren't just walking back and forth at 2 mph and throwing out cr mk doesn't make it not a neutral/footsies game kiddo.
Please try to get in through just randomly jumping at me and see what happens when you get CH AAd for poorly timed shit and lose because ill take the momentum and shove it down your throat
Its comical you think SFV has footsies when even at pro level people get in with dash throw because over half the cast has unreactable throw times between 11-13f startup and 8f delay stacked on top of reacting to that.
>>343509698
I just hit Silver in SFV after 100 hours of game time and it's my first fighting game. How am I doing?
>>343515520
Fighting games are playable on keyboard, I actually prefer it. That being said...
You really are subject to the quality of the port. If the game doesn't let you rebind keys then you're fucked. Plus fighting games generally have the most fucking bizarre default controls.
Want to punch? Okay, push O. I'm not even kidding.
>>343515680
To be fair those games are much easier and much more rewarding--if you spend that much time on it you're likely to be good, unlike with fighting games.
>>343515680
I honestly think that the only reason people even play Hearthstone is because you can do it while browsing. I play Duelyst every now and then but usually do so while shit posting or watching a movie or something. You cant even fully concentrate when playing CCG because they simply are too slow and nothing happens.
>>343515585
I saw a NZ dude streaming USF4 last year, talking about some upcoming tournament there. So some people must be playing.
>>343515680
Yeah, but those games aren't hard.
>>343515827
True, im playing hearthstone right now.
>>343515762
Jump at you, see you're going to aa, I yrc and counter, you yrc as I yrc and we both yrc because who needs neutral when you have YRC's
Ac+r is a better game
>>343515680
That and praising melee for apm, while shitting on other games for rolling the stick around are things I will just never get. I'm fine with you saying you don't like them, but reasons like those just sound like bullshit excuses. You clearly have the time to play another game for hours on end, so that isn't it.
You don't need a reason to justify something you can't find yourself to care about, I don't give a shit about shooters and I probably never will.
Tfw no good recent fighting game out
Is the genre dead?
>>343515796
They are playable on keyboard but due to the higher actuation point youre actually at a disadvantage. Play a fighting game with Red or Topre switches and its ok, but its still worse than using actual arcade controller Hori or Sanwa buttons. Thats already something that demotivates people. They start out being at a disadvantage. The buttons are also way smaller which makes it harder to actually press what your wanna press in fast paced situations. Especially in games like SF where you have so many buttons for normals. The fact that the localization is shit just adds to all of that.
You also have to consider that all PC games use a mouse. Exclusively using your keyboard really puts many people off because they only games they do that for are old WIN98 games (which 99% dont even know) or emulated SNES titles (again, most even know these). Fighting games arent designed for PC and thats a reason they will always remain dead on it (and in general). Release a mouse movement focused fighting game and it might even be successful. I dont know, a combo system that uses something like OSU for example. But until that happens the genre will never appeal to PC players.
>>343515680
Not him but I don't play either of these.
>>343516180
There are so many fighting games out right now that the only people who would ever say this are actual bitches who don't actually play fighting games.
>>343515680
>complain about fighting games being elitist
>no advice, just memes over anyone who have a little trouble with a soulsborne boss
>>343509698
Because I get extremely anxious in any form of PvP combat, be it mmo, rts, ccg or fightan.
>>343516180
KOF 14
XrdR
Arcana Heart 3Where the fuck isT7already
>>343516387
Name one
>>343515680
The main appeal of these games is the team based gameplay. People who say that these games are easier than fighting games are fucking retarded. You simply are less likely no notice how shit you are because the games are big (thousands of players in every skill bracket) and you can blame your team for losing/see many people who are as shit as you are.
There is a reason why fighting games, RTS, AFPS are dead while team based competitive games are growing consistently.
>>343516632
I asked for good fighting games.
>>343516614
just like anal sex, the more you do it, the more enjoyable and less stressful it becomes
>>343516719
What did you play in the 90s/early 2000s anon?
no friends
>>343516675
Thing is, everyone who plays them doesn't even play as as team, they just do their own thing then start talking shit. The main reason is just fun factor, but I don't know what's fun tilting and farming creeps in a game. I rather play WoW or Overwatch for quick play/pve content
>>343516642
Koihime Enbu, AH3LM, GGXrdR, SFV, KI, MKX, and then there's KoFXIV, Tekken 7, and BBCF coming up. If you can't find anything that you like there, then it's very easy to still find matches in several games on Fightcade.
Anyone who calls the genre dead clearly doesn't actually try to play fighting games and just like to bitch about things they don't know.
Since you're just going to say that none of these games are good, what do you consider a "good" fighting game then? Because chances are that you can still find matches for those even.
>>343516675
Well... what if there was a team based fighting game?
Like... let's see... A 3v3 fighting game. Each team member fights someone from the other team, so it's like three 1v1 fights taking place on the same screen. From the player's perspective, his team mate's fights are occurring in the background/foreground. However, there are certain moves/mechanics that let's one team member affect another team member's fight. Like, maybe instead of launching projectiles at your own opponent you can launch them at your team mate's to interfere with their fight. Or you can quickly jump in, throw a few punches and jump out like you're an assist character.
>>343516979
I prefer mk9 over x. Xrdr is alright, jack o is fun but not my kinda fighting game. I've
been toughing it out with sfv, but it's so boring
I hate ki's gameplay. And don't really care for anime fighters or 3d.
I feel likefif i keep playing 3s any longer in going to have an aneurysm
>>343516908
Overwatch and MMOs have the same appeal as the other games: you do shit in a party so you have someone to blame in case of losing. People dont want to improve, they already think that they are the best. Which is why single player competitive games are less and less successful.
In CS you have a harder time blaming your team as well, the only thing that made CSGO so big were the skins. In MOBAs and Overwatch you can literally blame your team for everything and shift all blame away from yourself. Its not only satisfying on the outside but also the inside because most people delude themselves into believing that the losses are not their fault, its the other peoples fault becasue they couldnt have carried (playing a Jungler) or done something about losing. In CS they could still have carried 1v5, doesnt work in MOBAs or Overwatch which is why the games are so successful.
>>343517104
This has been tried with that Gundam ripoff, no idea what the name was anymore. Westernized version of it with Demon forms and shit. Also has been tried with other arena like brawler games and simply never turned out to be successful.
However, a team based fighting game would probably turn into a completely different genre so I wouldnt really categorize that under fighting game anymore. Might be successful, might not be who knows. But it would definitely need something like that for the genre to ever be successful on PC. Or, like I said earlier, simply develop a fighting game that actually makes use of peoples mice.
>>343517104
Check out gg isuka
>>343517104
That second part sounds like a nightmare to handle right from how Isuka turned out, but KOF is literally doing actually 3v3s in 14.
>>343517481
Wait, there are other fighting games beside smash that handle team battles in any way acceptable? Not even trolling, I just can't imagine a classic fighting game pull it off somehow.
>>343509698
>anime combos with multiple steps and juggles of variable height
>micro dashes
>character specific combos
>super jump cancels
>air dashes in combos
>counter hit combos with a small amount of time to confirm that leads into HUGE damage
>more system mechanics than some characters have moves
>some characters have to manage an additional resource and those resources play a huge part in combos,neutral or oki
>negative edge characters
>multiple gauges
>multiple styles of the same characters which makes learning some mus a pain
>dashing/air dashing being part of footsies
>zoners are usually overwhelming or shit no exception
>mfw trying to learn a anime
There is no hope for me huh I wasn't born Asian so I lack the dexterity to deal with all of this garbage. I think the game that hits almost all of these points was the first UNIB rev.
>>343509698
I'm terrible at them. but I still like them and I even have an arcade stick.
>>343517731
How on earth does UNIB hit even half of those?
>>343509698
Because the latest sf is garbage and no other fighting game comes close to offering what sf offers.
>>343518029
You do realize there are plenty of other amazing fighting games that aren't Street Fighter, right?
>>343517701
Yes.
I'm not that knowledgeable myself, but GG Isuka basically had a "turn" system like some of the fatal fury games that let you switch planes while fighting and was even 4 player. You can look it up or get it on steam for like 9 bucks, but I don't know why you'd do that second one.
>>343509698
>Love fighting games
>Hate playing online
>Only 1 person I know is decent enough to play with me
>He stopped playing ages ago
>No arcades for miles
It was best to just let it go
>>343518120
None that offer what sf offers, though.
I want footsies.
>>343517731
UNIB is probably the must misunderstood "anime" fighter ever. For good reason, I mean just look at it.
BUT it's probably the funnest "newbie" of the bunch and made me really want to try melty blood out one day.
>>343514041
No one seems that the online is terrible for SFV
>>343518459
?
SFV isn't developed by ArcSys. Not a valid comparison.
>>343518459
Only for people with:
A.) Shit video card
B.) Third world internet
C.) Connected via wifi
>>343514427
>SFV Guile
His normals suck dick now and he lost invincibility on his Flash Kick to compensate for his meme V-trigger combo, fuck that.
>>343513864
I'm an honest man trying to play ky in the most honest way and you tell me this game isn't honest? Fuck you, buddy.
>>343518576
For other games, yeah. Not SFV though, it having bad netcode is a well-known fact that people just put up with. Bamco and ArcSys are the only ones who are able to do it right in fighting games for some reason.
>>343517869
>he doesn't remember the kuso hypeshit of the month with 30 hit combos that lead into oki
The grid system is pretty deep. Hyde has like 8 moves counting specials and supers. The combos were LONG as fuck with many steps (steps for example (moves,jump,button press,dash,ect so a rekka will be 1 step but an A>B>C gatling juggle into jc will be 4 steps). You know what fuck this just watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4MvOuNZCr0
>>343518368
Misunderstood? Can you elaborate?
>>343514112
you can get mauled by spics in fightcade if you want
>>343518715
Ky kiske is anything but honest. Go yrc your 236HS and keep up the pressure
>>343518731
>for some reason
ArcSys relies on their games not being shit. They cater to a niche and ask 60 bucks per expansion so they need to deliver. Its one of the reasons why their releases hardly ever have flaws and if they do release patches in less than a week.
Capcom knows that SFs name is so big that they can tease content and release it 6 months later, people still wont drop the game over it and buy it either way.
>>343515906
So in a single attack you YRC twice. Last time I checked Xrd had a limited amount of resources.
>>343518747
forgot to timestamp 4:07 for keks but most characters play like that
What an awful experience
>>343519082
Are you denying that YRC's don't effectively dumb down the game?
>>343518747
I like how after the cancel he wasn't even doing damage until the super but still kept going.
>>343519256
I think youre missing the point here. Youre also ignoring the fact that it makes balancing characters so much easier that its mind-blowing. YRC might be a mediocre system (which you cant just spam like you pretend), but FRC werent any better. If I had to choose YRC or FRC + Force Breaks I would take YRC any day of the week.
Jack O is the only honest guilty gear
>>343517104
XTekken though, people played that game with teams sometimes.
AlsoSmash doubles.
>>343518731
>Bamco and ArcSys are the only ones who are able to do it right in fighting games for some reason.
Only sometimes
See: Steam Melty release. Patch when?
Most of the time I spend playing videogames is with fighting games.
>>343519256
The time slowdown (and the input-eating effect it generates) is pretty bad, but the YRC itself is way more versatile than FRC and it lets you be more creative.
It actually gives it a bit more complexity that way althought it reduces the execution requirements.
Whats the fastest animu fighter?
>>343519104
My god, Linne was the worst for sure, I feel like there was an example of her combo being perfected to the point where it ate up 70% of the timer. And then there was that Wald infinite.
I'm personally very pleased with how far UNI has gotten but damn, the crucial period was definitely at the beginning for it to hit big if it was ever going to.
>>343519494
FRC were only bad of you had pisspoor execution, but I understand dumbing the game is essential for game to be successful, so I can understand why it's gone.
Yrc just allow for dumb option selected and also completely remove risk/reward out of the question. You gain meter do fast that you might as well cancel to maintain pressure or to prevent yourself from being punished by doing anything unsafe. I'd gladly take force breaks and FRC over option selects and no risk gameplay
>>343513864
>Not honest, mostly gimmicky characters
This is SFV's character design philosophy though. If you want a non-gimmicky cast with heavy footsies/fundamentals based gameplay stick to Tekken or KOF. SFV is gimmick city.
Can't comment on GG as I haven't tried it.
>>343518715
Fuck YOU, when do I get to play.
t. Potemkin
>>343519715
>Only picks "waifus"
How to tell someone is awful at fighting games - the post
>>343519941
Name a gimmick character that isn't a mika
>>343519484
>>343519821
My favorite match was the hyde vs linne where before she did her super the combo was at 95 hits for 2 point fucking 5 k damage and she did 2 combos that same round lasted around a minute and ten seconds.
The game is still meh but UNIB compared to UNIEL is night and day,hot and cold, sour and sweet and this happens every time I try to get into an anime game. I hate it.
>tfw pre Encore SG
I'm not cut out for fighters if this is what they require. I'm stuck playing shit like SFV becuase my hands literally cannot move fast enough for these games.
>find group of obvious /v/ college kids discord
>they all talk about and reference street fighter constantly
>none of them actually play the game or are any good at it
Oh /v/ plays fighting games, but they're too busy playing Dota and CSGO instead.
>>343520151
3s is best sf
Ac+r is best gg
Every other game is irrelevant
>>343520295
Didn't mean to reply
>>343514414
Why does that matter as far as >>343512948 is concerned, anon just wants people to play the game with. People are there, so what if it's 50 - 100 people instead of 5k+ people?
>>343519839
>FRC were only bad of you had pisspoor execution
FRC were a piss poor concept that added NOTHING to the game There were certain cancels that simply were the most efficient so they turned into base combos for some characters like I-No. The system offered no freedom which is what cancels should provide.
>completely remove risk/reward out of the question
It doest. It lets you pay for something with a resource that, depending on character, might be somewhat hard to regain. It gives character without proper reversals actual options and makes the roster way more balanced overall which is a good thing. At the end of the day YRC add more to the overall feeling and creativity of the way the way the game is played than FRC/Force Breaks ever did.
I also seriously dont see how execution requirement could be considered a good thing to be honest. They dont promote active gameplay at all, they promote camping training mode. And that has literally nothing to do with 'being shit at executing combos', its a fact. High execution requirements only add pseudo longevity to games because of how long it takes you to master the timing. That same time you could spend playing other people and actually become better at the game. In fact, I would say that these combos are one of the reason why fighting games are so dead. There are so many people that never play the game but instead sit in training mode all day because they think that they need a dozen combos (that they then cant execute in a proper match).
This issue is more related to people being retarded but thats something you have to expect. So making 1f less mandatory (or simply remove them) will contribute to the game in the long run if you ask me.
The input delay in SFV is really, really fucking jarring for me, I can't get used to it (I'm not sure I actually want to either at the risk of messing with my experience with pretty much every other video game ever)
>>343519715
Can you post the template senpai?
But I do play fighting games
I play the best waifu, Hisako
>>343520627
>I also seriously dont see how execution requirement could be considered a good thing to be honest.
what modern fighters even have difficult execution at this point, every single franchise has dumbed inputs down now
why does this argument still exist?
>>343509698
no story
>>343520741
Here it is. The original one had MK instead of SFV, though.
>>343520084
I don't care about "waifus" and I don't only play those characters. Hugo for example was my main in USF4 before I tried playing Elena, and before him I played E. Honda.
>>343520627
>They dont promote active gameplay at all, they promote camping training mode.
But this is exactly what yrc promote. You train for different OSs so you don't have to make reads anymore. I'll never understand the hate boner people have for execution in fighting games. It only adds depth, there is nothing wrong with raising the skill cap. You still have to make reads and have strong fundamentals I'm heavy execution games
>>343520936
Arcana Heart 3 Love Max
>>343520936
It's going to keep happening and happening until all fighting game's play like smash
>>343520936
Its one of the reasons why people say that Xrd is worse than +R when execution requirements never were a good thing to begin with.
However, the shit Capcom pulled with SFV is just overkill. They went from Ultra option select, 1f link BnB Fighter 4 to Perma Delay and unreactable Grabs Fight 5.
>>343521103
>But this is exactly what yrc promote
Are you seriously going to claim that FRC are more reactionary than YRC? YRC actually promote players to improvise.
>It only adds depth
You have no fucking idea what youre talking about. Muscle memory isnt depth you fucking retard.
>raising the skill cap
Reactionary gameplay (which YRC promote more than FRC ever did) increases the skill cap. Having harder BnB does literally nothing to the skill cap of a game. Reactionary gameplay is what counts, its what shows a players true ability to play a game. Auto piloting a long/actually hard combo is not reactionary, its basically a single player mini game.
Hell, I have fun doing combo training, but you cant seriously believe that it is even remotely as interesting as reactionary, multiplayer gameplay. The first hit of your combo is related to the multiplayer aspect of the game, all follow up links are a minigame.
>still have to make reads and have strong fundamentals I'm heavy execution games
Reads and strong fundamental. Yeah, BB and MvC totally require reads and strong fundamentals.
>>343521613
The fuck? Your entire argument is that combos should be autopilot and you're saying games with heavy execution makes it autopilot? Yrc removes any risk involved in neutral play. Improvise my ass, you just throw out an attack see that it won't work in your favor and press three buttons to go back in neutral whoopie damn doo. In MVC and bb you still have to play the neutral game to score a hit and a ToD in MVC is equivalent to only 33% in other fighters which still happen.
I'm starting to think you just don't know what you're talking about and spouting bullshit because you hate execution.
>>343519839
I'm conflicted, I genuinely do miss the force breaks and FRC, but yrc makes slayer so damn fun in this game.
Clean hit hitboxes can stay go though.
>>343520936
BB has pretty damn hard execution
>>343510029
Am I the only one that preferred her previous SUGOI SUGOI? The latest version doesn't sound as good.
Post mains
>>343522165
The only hard character as far as executions go is carl.
>>343522032
>Your entire argument is that combos should be autopilot
You have some severe mental disability if you actually think that. I simply said that FRC added literally nothing to the game, neither do execution heavy combos. I am not talking about games that actually focus on long ass combos. That should be obvious since we talked about GG which always was setup and okizeme heavy, short burst over long ass 10 seconds combos. This was never about fighting games in general. If the game single reason to exist are combos then the combos should obviously be harder or else there wouldnt be a point for the game to exist in the first place. That is/was never the case with GG though.
But I guess we can end this discussion here since you still pretend that YRC can just be spammed randomly.
>>343522425
Arakune
>>343522425
Sure, I'd like to see you play Hazama, Mu, Arakune, Makoto, Rachel, Valkenhayn, Platinum, or Izayoi beyong scrub level.
>>343522165
>>343522425
Why even bother mentioning Carl when hes the retard version of Zato? If Carl is the reason someone would consider BB execution heavy then GG would be twice as hard.
>>343522575
Zato and Carl play very differently in both neutral and setups, claiming that they're the same beyond both being puppet characters is retarded.
Because I suck and it takes an immense amount of effort for me to even compete with decent players.
Not fun at all.
>>343509698
Not a single one that interests me is.
Sfv and xrd took too many steps backwards that they're both shit now.
I don't really care for other fighters outside gg and sf, but if these are my only options I might break into another fighter, like tekken 7r when that gets released
>>343522941
>too many steps backwards
Its another [no X no buy] poster. Who is it? Bacon? Dizzy? Muh Zappa?
>>343523056
I played ky, order Sol and zato.
This sums up my opinion on xrd
http://mikezsez.blogspot.com/2015/01/why-im-not-playing-ggxrd.html?m=1
I did like jack o, but don't like the game enough to play it
>>343522941
BB or KOF don't interest you?
>>343523261
They dont
I'm gonna pick up Tekken and become the best King player in the world. Have faith, lads.
>>343509698
Genre doesn't interest me. Games without at least one of the following are almost never fun for me: Open world, crafting, destruction physics, base building, loot that drops on death.
I do. I just can't seem to get over whatever hangups I have about playing actual people.
I play guilty gear xrd but im doo doo at it.
>>343522941
You know you don't have to keep up with current renditions right?
Ac+r,3s, #r, and usf4 are still fairly popular
>>343523602
The genre has open world elements, you need to go out and find some fucking friends to play this stuff with.
>>343517104
Bloodline Champions
Virtual Fighter 3tb
>>343509698
boring, repetitive, one dimensional. The only fighting game i enjoyed was mortal kombat...konquest mode. the chess was fun too. Like, that's where fighting might be enjoyable.
>>343523202
>mok zed
>>343523694
>Bloodline Champions
BLC is way closer to WoW arenas, just infinitely harder. Stunlock Studios is also developing a new version of it right now. Its basically BLC but better, was the happiest day of my life when they announced it.
>>343523793
You a Moba or FPS guy?
>>343523602
More FGs need clothes tearing, I agree.
literally just finished playing melty blood for like 3 hours
>>343523850
You don't have to like the person to agree with his points, he's a douchey jew but his points are valid.
>>343509698
Because I'm bad at them and they aren't really something I care to get good at.
>>343510015
> like defensive/zoning games, which rules out every popular game on the market right now.
stop playing anime and marvel fighters
>>343523978
Right.
>>343523202
The only legitimate argument in there is the YRC Burst OS which was removed wasnt it? The unblockables were never actual unblockables. Apart from Elphelt. Zatos setups always left room to block. Just happened to be 1-2f timing so hardly anyone ever blocked the drill setups but they could be blocked.
>casual /v/ will never know the joy of landing a combo you've been working on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGCI-a0vNg
nothing special but i want to keep track of my progress
>>343523921
Battlerite?
Blc but worse, you mean, and only focused on 2v2 instead of 3v3 or (kek no one played these kek) 5v5.
Seriously. Alchemist looks like a tumblrina. And her bio is cringeworthy. Being a "rebel" and 2kool4skool.
Spearmaster at least is almost the same. Idk. Less abilities. Looks worse. I'll still play it because there's no scene for BLC now. I still talk to hafu about it. Used to play in GK with DucKe and some others. Dzn, and other good peeps. Privates with Iverson were rare but happened. I was probably the best psychopomp on us east, but played inhibitor and (kek) harbinger a lot.
Anyway if you haven't given up hope yet like I already did, check out battlecrank - it's a website for discussing the new game. I hope lots of people come back.
But the art style and presentation makes me want to off myself - it feels like they just have to try copying every new kiddie-looking game (LoL, OW, etc.) just to remain relevant.
I hope it is good but imo it looks bad.
>>343524101
>Anime games dont have zoners
try playing one for once
>>343523202
I agree with all but FRC removal, god forbid a fighting require some semblance of execution nowadays
>>343515680
the difference being that a fighting game takes a shitload of practice depending on how naturally skilled you are at them to learn, and until you do you'll have no idea what you're doing and suffer constant losses as a result, or win with button mashing and feel absolutely no satisfaction
trying to start out on an already established fighting game and trying online is pretty much asking to have a rusty chainsaw shoved up your asshole because while you're still trying to remember combos, every single other person learned that shit a long ass time ago and will combo your ass to hell
meanwhile, the games you listed are far easier to understand and much faster and giving you a sense of satisfaction
>>343524468
FRC would be fine if it was just for high-level stuff, but the way it's used in GG was just an unnecessary execution barrier for even the most basic BnBs for some characters.
>>343513509
>mfw jebailey BTFOd melee autists
>>343524407
>instead of 3v3
Not true. They actually consider to make it 3v3. The Alpha tests have been 2h of 2v2 and 1h of 3v3 so far with most people saying that 3v3 is better and feels more complex for obvious reasons. The game will most likely go back to 3v3, we talked to the devs quite a bit between tests.
>Less abilities
That also got changed. All chars have 7 abilities and 2 EX abilities again. Thats not on the website but in the current alpha client.
Your information is really outdated. The game has a lot more depth than BLC ever did especially since these shitty skill tree/medallions are gone and there actually being a situational, skill upgrade system that lets you modify your character more and more after each round and gives abilities unique additions. Heals also have a cooldown now so no heal bot spam anymore, actually promotes more actually healer gameplay.
I agree that most the healers looks like shit though. The artstyle is my thing at all. Engi looks better, Thorn looks better, but especially the healers look like fucking aids. Doesnt really matter than since they basically play the same/better. Alch has a roll now (some mobility), Pomp has a redesigned swap that makes up for mind games. The only healer that is basically still the same is Astro.
>>343509698
I can't into combos.
>>343509698
Heard Melty is getting 3 trash cans at this year's EVO, they're really upping the budget.
They might get a table next year, too, insane.
>>343524598
>giving you a sense of satisfaction
Fuck nah, I play those other games with friends and do shit but we still win. I feel like total shit because it looks and feels like I didn't contribute shit, or hell even basically became a built in handicap for them for 10 to 30 minutes while I'm either walking around or looking at a killcam.
With fighters, win or lose I know it was by my hand and I feel fucking great when I win, and humbled when I lose because I know I had opportunities I didn't take and just need to sniff them out better next time. And I'm not forced to sit there disadvantaged for an hour either, if i lose it's usually quick and I can get on with the next one.
I study enough in Uni to spend my free time studying endless combos in endless situations which won't even matter the next time a character is nerfed or buffed or a patch comes in or whatever. Games aren't fun if you don't stick some time into them, but they're not fun either if you have to spend hundreds of hours to enjoy them either. Also doesn't help that the online technology just isn't ready for seamless gameplay. I'm sure as hell not going to my """""locals"""" to rub up against the smelliest putrid vermin the """gaming""" community has to offer.
I'm just going to jerk off to the girls and be done with it like any sane valued member of society should do.
>>343522032
There is risk involved in yrc since if you do it too late it becomes a prc and not to mention it chews up resources regardless. I can agree with anon in that FRC wasn't very creative. All it did was make certain moves more useful so there was little reason to ever not FRC a move.
>>343525926
>hundreds of hours
KEK
It takes years to be good enough at a fighter where your fundamentals are solid enough to transfer between similar games.Traditional fighting games aside from SF arent designed with people just getting their feet wet. Revisions are made like every year and some drastically changing the game. The core mechanics of fighters are already too established and it will be harder for new players to get in. I wish I was as disconnected as some of these devs that actually thinks that execution was the only barrier for getting into fighters. For something that takes all this time to learn its funny that the only resource in game is a list of combos to do and an explanation of some mechanics. The only game that made an effort was xrd but that still doesn't "teach" you the game.
The biggest hurdle is the learning process and depending on how fast it "clicks" with you is all it takes to get into a fighter and get ready to learn. Its surprising but not too hard to understand most other types of games teach you how to play with stage design,enemy and hazard placement,gradual difficulty increase but fighters have none of those things. Until they can hit that mark and find a way to make it easy to ease into fighters playing these games would be like getting jammed in the ass with BBC.
>>343523661
You're not doo doo at Xrd anon.I'm doo doo at Xrd
Who do you play?
>>343509698
I do, it's just I don't have anyone to play them with after joining the military because it turns out it's hard to find people into anime fighting games.Melty Blood HD when
>>343525023
Melty Blood is pretty easy to pick up, but unfortunately pretty much no one plays it anymore as far as I know.
>>343509698
No gamepad, not stick, annoying to play with keyboard. And I can't be assed to buy a controller for games I may not even end up liking when I can just buy more games I like.
I also don't want to grind hard to git gud, I already did that on two games and I'd rather not do that again. prefer a little more casual stuff now.
>>343527441
Not him, but the only people I know who play Melty are really good at anime fighters and are less than helpful in teaching me. I don't even know basic combo routes besides gatling into launcher, how do you even play Melty *well?
>>343527272
I'm probably more doodoo than both of you.
Slayer main, but gg isn't my main game.
>>343527020
It actually doesn't take that long to get anywhere when you start with simpler execution characters, the question is always why a person would bother
Post your main.
>>343527678
I dunno anon, I only seriously started trying to obtain proficiency at fighting games like at the tail end of USF4's life. I don't even know if you could say I have a main game, been playing SFV and Xrd, occasionally Uniel when my srs fgc buddy is in town
>>343527857
Most fun atleast
>>343527857
Mu-12 is the funnest character I've ever played in any FG.
>>343528362
Yeah, bummer that she and my main are probably gonna die in the newest one.
>>343527857
Ragna the pedoedge
>>343528461
Mu seems like she's going to be joining together with Noel again, so I doubt she's going to die, with Ragna's whole goal being to keep Noel from dying.
>>343509698
I do, but P4U is practically dead, so any amount of practice I put in is going to be thrown into the wind if I have no one but Moonrunians (who also dropped it) to play it.
>>343528584
That's what I mean, due to the way the story is heading, it's Ragna and Noel's end. Possibly Rachel's too.
>>343525926
GIT GUD XDDD
>>343528824
Ragna and Rachel I can see actually dyingwhich makes me sad because they're my favorite characters in the story
>>343528026
I seriously started with calamity trigger in 09.
>>343527857
Across all games, I probably feel the most confident in my tager, but it's probably mostly unwarranted.
>>343528496
Delete this.
>>343528939
xDD
>>343528757
Kanji is probably the best grappler in existence.
>>343529284
Kanji is a lot of fun. Too bad he was never viable from what I've seen. Margarets, Yus, and Teddies were fucking everywhere.
>>343527857
M Bison in street fighters is hella fun I think, I base every character I play in any other game off of feeling relative to him
>>343529559
He took work with everybody else, but he could just blow up stupid people.
Also, I never knew margaret was viable, I loved messing around with her with my friends, but I always thought she was elizabeth tier and good for fucking around in locals before you inevitably lose.
>>343529668
Balrog is pretty fun too.
>>343509698
Because im inconsistent and fuck up on the inputs
>>343528982
If they die what's gonna keep the brocon from freaking out and rewriting reality to where they're alive again?
>>343530031
I've tinkered with Balrog and I agree, but for some reason with their similarities as "easy charge character" I'm significantly worse with Balrog
>>343530171
She probably won't be able to. The whole reason why Ragna would have to die is if he was to replace her position, probably ridding her of the abilities that she had to influence the world.
>>343509698
I have been playing since Third Strike days.
SFV sucks and I don't give a fuck about other fighters.
Would care if KoF doesn't look trash and Tekken 7 came out at least a year ago in USA by now.
Every fighting game sucks these days, don't give me that anime shit.
post mains
>>343530309
Ragna can't take it from her, it's born from her. The only thing he could do is convince Noel not to use her power to undo his death or Rachel's if it happens before his. That's gonna be tough considering she's clingy to Ragna.
>>343530241
I'm the complete opposite, I was never really successful with Bison that much.
God damn I want those fucking fight money challenges to come out, so sick of grinding.
>>343530495
>jam
im so sorry
>>343529284
Them's fightin' words.
>>343530542
Daisuke really hates her. One scene in story mode and nerfed her to Terumi levels of bad. Meanwhile he fucking loves Johnny that broken motherfucker.
>>343530784
>skullgirls
lol
>>343530784
>Cerebella
>Good
I'll give you the swirly of a lifetime, nerd.
>>343530875
Johnny is definitely getting nerfed. Nobody shouldbe stronger than Elphelt
>>343530519
You just get in poke range, press buttons, more buttons, yolo head press because why not, put a throw in there somewhere and boom, adequate bison. I don't really know where I should be or how aggressive Balrog needs to play
I feel you, I've been doing just normal survival for the characters I'm halfway not garbage with but it's such a drag
>>343531026
You just need to get right in with Balrog, use his dash punch to your advantage.
The worst part with survival is that I can fucking mop the floor with everyone until the last few characters that just read your inputs, so crushing when I have to go all the way back after losing to some dumb bullshit because Capcom couldn't balance Survival for shit.
What fightcade game should I learn?
>>343531241
How unsafe is dash punch roughly? I don't know how to space it so that I don't eat shit on block.
And FUCK survival Ryu and Bison. I was doing the v trigger dash punches to Bison last night and v-skill cancelled the 3rd one since he was blocking and he *immediately crush countered me for 40%. Hard mode stages 40+ are the same
>>343531604
I can't quite remember, but I think it's unsafe on block. Give me a minute to look that up.
Don't talk to me about fucking Survival Bison, he's so damn annoying.
>>343509698
I really fucking hate waifu retards
>>343509698
I lack patience and friends to play with.
>>343532086
.....my name is not important..........
>>343532456
sorry I don't speak weeb
>>343532560
i hate weebs........ so i come to an anime discussion website......... i fucking hate these people...........
>>343522415
I was immediately comfortable in Sol's skin when I picked up Xrd, but I want to be a Slayer main.
>>343532657
is this weeb trying to diss me or something
>>343509698
because I buy anime Dragon fighting games like Budokai, Tenkaichi, Raging Blast, also Soul Calibur III and V but I can't bother getting good at them, I'm ultra casual. I just give up easily and I can't be bothered with my attention deficit disorder. I have zero memorization skills so I just hit random buttons with any character which means I never learn how to play properly each characters.
So is Melty Blood playable in Steam?
I do..in single player.
>no fgc in the south.
>shit internet sucked up by family's minecraft and facebook whoring.
>Games I to play have empty lobbies anyway.
But hey, there's always AI, it's not so ba-FUCKING FUCK GRAPPLERS. FUCK ZANGIEF, FUCK TAGER, FUCK CLARK. SHIT.
>love fighting games
>can't play them for shit
>don't wanna play against randoms online
>don't have anyone to practice with
This is the worst cycle.
>>343509698
>enjoy melty for years
>actually try to support the official release
>Potentially up to half a minute of input delay, that grows increasingly worse the longer you play a match
HOW. HOW IS IT LITERALLY THE WORST NETCODE EVER?
>>343534192
who cares you bought the game and supported the devs now go use ccaster
>>343534192
I, too, wanted to get Melty Blood on Steam, but I've not heard great things about it compared to the "free" version everyone's been using for years. Only cool thing they added is the lobby system for online multiplayer.
>>343518286
GG and KoF you insufferable fag
>>343509698
Same reason I don't play Dota, Overwatch, Rocket League, or CSGO.
Arcade games just aren't interesting.
>>343518731
Huh? SFV netcode is easily better than arcsys where you play with a minimum of 4 frame delay. It doesn't really matter though because SF5 has 8f delay anyway.
Skullgirls and virtua fighter 5 have the best netcode
>>343535031
>GG
Dead already and filled with retards that don't play the game
>KoF
Unless you're a spic you're not going to get any good games.
>>343535225
It's a 1v1 fighting game. Find someone, get friends.
I play skullgirls consistently and both those games are more popular than SG
>>343535321
>Find someone, get friends.
Not him but this is one of the reasons why the genre is dead. People like you will never understand that this is not a legitimate answer when someone points out a dead video game community in 2016. People are used to MM and properly sized communities. You dont get them to accept lobbies and hardly existing communities by pointing out that you dont need either. Its something that is to be expected because competitors manage to provide it. If fighting games cant do the same then they cant compete [for attention] (which is basically what has been the case for ages).
>>343535792
>Not him but this is one of the reasons why the genre is dead.
The genre isn't dead at all
>>343535792
Sorry, but what does MM mean? Also a new person joining this post chain, but I'd rather have a devoted few who know the game rather than a mass of people who suck to play with.
>>343528362
What is her deal,mand why bother when Lambda is better?
I'm trying to lesrn both and my Mu and bather deal with unlimited Tsubaki and she's weak as shit. Her drive takes too long to set up.
>This many people who prefer MK9 to MKX
WHY? MK9 is a 6/10 while X is a 8/10
>>343536298
Match making. Aka press one button and get matched with someone in your skill bracket.
>>343536301
Lambda and Mu play very, very, very differently. Lambda in CPE is basically Nu but with shittier tools, whereas Mu is a more fundamental-based character with turret setups for her combos and up-close pressure.
The benefit of Mu's Drive is that you can cancel virtually any normal into it, so when your opponent is blocking, you can keep cancelling your normals at unpredictable timings in order to get out a turret, and so you open them up with it.
>>343527857
I don't have the muscle memory or the will to grind them to memorize combos, so i mostly just play grapplers.
I'm also shit.
What's harder to get into: fighting games, or those musical instrument games?
>>343529852
Oh man, check out the 2015 EVO then. I'm pretty much new to all of this stuff, but I think it was a pretty good top 8 and that Margaret game was ridiculous. To me, at least. I'm just a scrub.
>>343532449
I ended up getting a assault with the nickname Mad Dog.
Farried me to the end of the fucking game, she did.
>>343534192
It's a port by ASW.
They do not give a single fuck about non-arcade players.
>>343535225
Nice memes, I didn't think people were actual capcucks who refuse to play anything not released from Capcom's anus.
A special kind of nostalgia I guess.
>>343537125
Fighting games. If by the latter you mean rhythm games, you don't need to memorize inputs and combos for the most part. Both kinds of games are fun to get into, though.
>>343538165
>>343537125
I mean like guitar hero or rock band.
Yo, have you guys check out the huehue game "Trajes Fatais"?
Looks gimmicky(it's a one button fighter), but i kinda like the spritework
>>343538357
Those are still just rhythm games even if they look different. I guess the only major difference between something like Guitar Hero and something like Um Jammer Lammy or Miku is the Whammy Bar on the special guitar controllers, though I guess they have a mic for the singer, too.
>>343510015
Street Fighter is pretty defensive
>>343509698
I don't like fighting games, only play Melty Blood because of tsukihime.
I suck at it too but it's fun.
>>343538475
Almost had me interested, but they only have 5 fighters? I'll agree that the spritework does look nice.
Is anybody up for some melty?
I can host, region is central US
>>343540295
Well, they're doingcrowdfunding
I'm really only shilling it, because the huehue coin is so weak, so an american donation is worth like 4 times the donation of a brazilian.
But I do play them senpai
UNIEL'S getting a PC release this year, right? I always meant to try it out, but never got a PS3.
>>343541048
It's getting a pc release in 10 days
>>343541094
What version
>>343541094
holy shit
I hope we can get /v/ lobbies going like we had for GG Xrd
>>343509698
For my competitive online fill, I prefer games with a team aspect to them. Just always have, always will
>>343541167
The one that was released on PS3.
>>343541365
So when are we getting Exe:late[st]
Is the steam version of Melty Blood any good?
>>343541653
Oh, they said we'll be getting it latenever.
>>343541653
We don't even know if it's going to get a console port
>>343541307
>losing because of bad people on your team
but why
>>343541784
Thats sad man
>>343541957
It's because he sucks shit so when he loses he can blame it on his team
Whens the next Virtua Fighter
>>343513725
>>343513932Counters in NG only come in if you pressure too hard without switching moves around. You can completely manipulate the system
>>343513865
COCONUTS
>>343527857
So cute.
What are the best entry level games for someone who has no experience with Fighting games?
>>343544583
The most recent fighting games.
If you go back to old ones you will either deal with dead games or the old guard who will kick your shit in so hard you won't learn anything.
>>343529060
Found Ragna
Street Fighter
It's the "easy to learn, hard to master" fighting game. Once you get used to it, you should try other kinds of fighters (Marvel, Guilty Gear, KI) and see which one you enjoy the most.
>>343544775
Ragna is not a pedophile, he's an honest man that's just trying to do the right thing.
>>343530996
Doesn't that mean Elphelt will need a nerf because she'd be the strongest??????
>>343544865
Meant to reply to
>>343544583
>>343544583
Persona 4 Arena helped me get into the genre due to its somewhat simple inputs being shared between characters. Skullgirls and Guilty Gear Xrd have pretty good tutorials, too. Street Fighter V might also be a good one to start with considering it's very simple compared to previous iterations as well as the abundance of anime fighters on the market. The best advice I can give, though, is find the fighter that most interests you so that you'll stick to it and learn from it.
>>343528982
>characters dying
>BB
and thank fuck for that, it's completely detrimental to this specific genre to outright kill characters off (like SNK did with the New Faces team)
>>343544583
SFV, Skullgirls
>>343544583
Not Street Fighter V. I'm not trying to shitpost or anything here, it's built-in 8 frame input delay is not something you want to establish as your "standard".
>>343527857
Anyone that'll let me dominate neutral and poking game. Mu-12 and Hilda from UNIEL are my recent favorites.
>>343528362
Mah fellow murukumo
>>343541653
They just announced the port should be out by the end of the year in jap at least.
>>343545791
For PS4? I'm gonna import the hell out of that if so
>>343544952
Elphelt, Sin and Zato are at the limit of not being broken in my opinion. But Johnny just shits on all of them.
I play MKX. Best Fighting game I've ever played.
>>343509698
Thinking of picking up SF5 as my next attempt to git gud at fighting games. Is it a good choice?
>>343545791
pls source
I want to believe you but I just can't
>>343546534
It has issues right now, but it's probably the best of the popular fighters right now.
>>343546534
It's a good choice, since it teaches you defense. And it has a huge player base so you won't run out of people to play with online and offline if you go to conventions or tournaments.
>>343546536
>>343546214
>Kamone announced at the end up the tournament that they've been working on the console version since UNIst came out in the arcades. They've been really busy drawing art and writing the story. Now they are preparing to officially announce everything.
>Before the end of last year, Narita said that "Lately I've been plotting that during the year 2016, we'll release a proper console version of 'that game' and hopefully announce a newish arcade game."
Pulled it from dustloop here:
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/forums/topic/8894-uniel-news-gameplay-discussion/&page=42#comment-951855
No official release date
Maybe I will play more often as soon as my arcade stick arrives. Playing thse games with pad is really awkward, especially when you have a turbo button right next to the d-pad.
>>343544943
I'll consider what you said
>>343546812
No, you will accept it as the truth.
>>343546376
Good luck with that quest to nerf johnny
>>343546908
To be honest I don't really mind him being overpowered, it makes a good challenge and I have an excuse when I lose.
>>343509698
I want to play Melty Blood but i cant memorize a billion button presses for 1 bnb and all moves being safe as fuck
>>343547254
Just play Roastbeef and do shit like 5b 5c 236a
>>343547254
Then play Gorilla H-Moon.
>>343547052
Whatever
You do you
>>343547569
F-Roastbeef*
Forgot the moon
>no friends to play with
>impossible to get good at without hundreds of hours of practice
>no good single player content
The only thing keeping me marginally interested is how sexy they can make the female fighters.
Jack-O was a mistake.
>>343547254
just be a scrub like me and play nanaya or kohaku.
>>343546753
>a newish arcade gamenew melty blood?
>>343550038
It will only come out after the remake for Tsukihime comes outin 20 years.
>>343509698
I do play fighting games, I just wish other people did. Finding games for UNIEL consists of silently crying while French Bread refuses to release UNIST, finding games for Melty consists of the same few people in IRC/Discord
I really wish FGs were as popular as AoS games or FPS
>>343527857
>be bad
>get bodied over and over
>start improving
>oppent either rage quit or sends rage mail which makes the win feel less of a win
It's a lose/lose situation
>>343551094
You have to learn how to revel in the hate. This is the true way to enjoy fight games.
>>343551094
>oppent either rage quit or sends rage mail
This just makes the win even sweeter desu.
>>343513509
kek
>playing smash
>I have to input a two frame button to JUMP?
>I have HOW many frames to use basic movement techniques?
>I have 7 frames to cancel ALL my aerials or I'm literally fucked??
>Start getting more interested in fighting games
>Lag behind and play games that people have already moved on from
I'll probably pick up sometime if I get bored of the games I'm currently playing, though
>>343551094
why do people even get upset over rage quitting, who gives a shit about online rank points or whatever
you beat that person hard enough to get them to hard-exit out of the game, be satisfied with that
>>343552520
yes yes anon, your game is very technical, high apm i am impressed
>>343532449
His "weak points" thing is pretty cool in concept, feels like the sorta thing you could build an entire game around. The Garouden fighter sorta did it.
>>343552520
Shouldn't you be shitting in a pool right now?
>>343509698
Because street fighter only resembles itself in name.
>obnoxious block / hitstun
>obnoxious input buffer measured in whole seconds
>obnoxious bent toward offense by weaking reaction play across the board
>obnoxious tick rate so the core rock, paper, scissors, reset is no longer the frenetic core of street fighter
That last one is the real kicker. The game's just don't play like an entry in the series at all.
Other series play more like their classic iterations while still being new, but then again, I never liked their classic formulae in the first place.
>>343551094
Making some scrub assblasted is the whole point of fighting games.
>mfw revelator is already dead as fuck
PC VERSION WHEN
>>343541981http://trajesfatais.com/kickante/en-us/
>>343555932
Region?
>>343555932
If the PS3 version didn't have issues running and the PS4 version didn't require a subscription to play online, I'm sure it would be somewhat less dead.
>>343556194
Good thing PC has neither of those
>>343555932
don't post lewd of my girlfriend
>>343556263
It also does not have Revelator.
>>343556263
well yeah, it doesn't have the game or a scene
>>343555932
GG games die incredibly fucking fast because most of the people that are part of the community don't actually play it.
>>343556464
how do you mean? do they just buy the game for the story mode or something?
>>343556658
He means he's butthurt he has to leave his house to play t.
>>343556745
>everyone has easy access to locals
t. american clueless to the world
I had the worst of both worlds
before online matchmaking, I had the time to devote to learning the game, characters, combos and matchups but no one to play with
now that matchmaking exists, I have people to play with but no time to learn the games
it hurts
>>343556464
You mean most new players get destroyed and quit after a week. GG vets still usually play GG.
>>343509698
But ikind ofdo
>>343556868
>I live in a shithole but it's the game's fault I have nobody to play
>>343556868
he's clueless even for an American
unless you live in one of the major cites, you are stuck in the middle of nowhere with no local scene
>>343556658
Not even that, I'm talking about people that don't even actually play the game, people who just circlejerk about how "metal" the game is and start slap fights with fans of different games. It's a shame there's so many of those faggots attached to the community, shit those twats probably don't even go to locals or watch tournaments.
>>343556964
>butt in with IF U DENT GUT OF UR ASS 2 PLEY OUTSID IZ UR FGAULT
>actually I don't have locals where I live
>WEOW DUD URE SHITHOL LOL
ok kid???
>>343556940
Is this just mugen?
>>343557189
>being this asshurt you don't have any friends
I LOVE FIGHTING GAMES
>>343557373
American proving himself smart even more
how is the Melty scene?
is the matchmaking on Steam the same as the original pc version?
>>343557465
Only Americans can have friends? Or are you too poor to afford friends?
>>343557702
They all got shot by the local bullied kid unfortunately. Maybe next time...
>>343557814
Why would you shoot your friends?
>>343557350
Of course
>>343557702
>Too poor to afford friends
>>343557563
Is this tenkaichi 2?
>>343510015
>waaah, I like to defensive but there's no game with OP defensive characters in it.
Suck it up and play FANG in SFV or something.
>>343557683
Everybody still plays using caster.
Check the IRC or steam group (if that's still alive) for matches.
>>343557659
3S Hugo was an uphill battle against endless Chun/Yun/Ken, but goddamn was it fun once you got them in the corner . Urien was always the bane of my existence in that one though.
>>343509698
Because you posted the only one worth playing.
>>343559062
Hugo is awesome.
I like when you can outsmart your opponents just by having more HP. It's a great feeling.
>>343509698
>want to show off how cool fighting games are
>it's always shoving someone into some corner or doing a hundred abilities where they cant possibly react
Why?
>>343558976
People moved to discord. There isn't much to see on IRC nowdays.
>>343559198
>a hundred abilities where they cant possibly react.
I wasnt aware a relatively simple corner combo could be so mind boggling to some people.
>>343559605
the simple mind of capcucks
>>343559179
More HP makes them have to make unsafe moves at the risk of another nasty grab or punish, or they sit back while you taunt for the buffs.
Some folks would freak out more when they saw that you had Gigas available and started jumping way too much, those were always fun too.
>>343559774
It has nothing to do with cpacom or street fighter, fuck off.
It's clear that he knows almost nothing about fighting games, even SF characters can understand what a corner combo is
>>343559927
easy (You) easy life
>>343558976
>>343559201
thanks for the info
>>343559198
>reacting
>fighting games
When will this meme end?
>>343524463
Name 1 anime game where a zoner is not bottom tier
>>343560381
UMvC3
>>343560381
Top 2 in +R are zoners. C Roa in Melty is #2 and a zoner.
>>343560381
BlazBlue
>>343560549
>C-Roa is #2
Which hime is top, again?
>>343509698
>buy a fighting game
>like fighting game and their characters
>hate practice
>am generally terrible at them
>get bored of them after a few hours
Anyone else? Last fighter I bought was Tatsunoko vs Capcom.
>>343560660
F Hime
She can do literally anything
>>343556908
Guilty gear xrd outside of BBCT was the hardest I ever got whopped in a modern anime fighter and I played LOTS of them.
I don't even know how you get to properly learn these games. What the fuck is a guide when an decent Elphelt can just fuck you into a corner with no chance at all. While in CT like 2 characters can make you feel hopeless in GG its like that with all characters due to the nature of the game.
>tfw my revelator game is just collecting dust now
>>343561058
If you can't take a beating on a game with the most extensive tutorials and tips on individual MUs then I don't think airdashers are for you.
>>343561058
Send that copy to me. I'll play it for you. Also, you just focus on learning your characters so you know your options against characters.
>>343561376
GG is still a really hard game, even with all of that.
>>343561058
>a lot
Come back when you have 5 + years of playing every week for 20 hours
>>343561058
GG inherently gives every character extremely strong moves that if it werent for the specific defensive options the game has, would be completely broken.
That's one big reason a lot of people quit. You need to learn and appreciate learning good defense. Most new players will just use a guide to practice some BnBs with the character of their choice while ignoring their neutral and defensive games.
Xrd was pretty much my first GG so i learned pretty quick how shit i was and forced myself to start feeling more satisfied with good defensive game. Its part of the game i really enjoy now.
>reached Platinum with my old main before switching characters
>too afraid I'll buster if I go to my first local and be forced to accept that I'm a gimmicky fraud
Talk me out of being a bitch, /v/.
>>343561548
>>343561376
I guess. I've been trying to get into anime seriously since BBCT. Even own the limited game with the instructional DVD but I can't.
People say you don't need long combos in these games to win and focus on oki but putting opponents in situations too many times can get predictable or they can guess right. ~10% into oki doesn't work and I feel like to stand a chance you have to get some decent confirms for offense and like this anon >>343561591 said great defense is key but GG for example has like 10 things you can do and more depending on character on defense. So you have to tackle these simultaneously just to have a chance.
I tried approaching it from multiple angles but I guess I have to take >>343561376 advice. But in my defense lots of those MU guides and tutorials (outside of the ingame one) are made with competent players in mind. But you can't really teach a player how to execute and "learn" a fighter it either it comes to you or you grind it out solo as long as you can until its not fun anymore.
I haven't had fun with fighters in years. The last time I enjoyed one was getting my ass handed to me in GGPO at kof 98 and MoTW.
>>343527857
Stuck in a rut of getting slaughtered most of the time, at least I enjoy her playstyle when I actually get lucky enough to press a button and try a combo or two to escape the futility of it all.
REMOVE JACK O SHE IS SHIIIIIIIIIIT
>>343510015
Elena in USFIV is pretty defensive
>>343562437
Fighting games are about removing mistakes, understanding why people certain things, developing a strategy around it and optimizing every little of your character. They're not for everyone. A huge part of fighting games is guess work and the journey is the fun part, not the ending. You either like finding answers and improving yourself or you don't.
>Melty Blood came out too soon to be a bodice-ripping senran kagura game
I wouldn't even mind all the male characters. In fact, I think it's incredibly fitting to imagine all the waifus trying to strip Shiki's pants off to get at THE GLAND.
>>343558112
Friends are fucking expensive
>They always want to go out and do something (movie, restaurant, ect)
>They come over to your house and expect you to feed them
>They always leave your ass for a relationship
>they flake out all the time
Fuck having friends
I'd recommend people who are starting out to pick the most 50/50 heavy high damage output character and learn their setups and combos. Getting wins off decent players sometimes opposed to never was pretty big factor in jumping the first hurdle of getting into the genre, for me anyway.
Also I don't get why people always cry about a lack of information, almost every single fighting game no matter how old or obscure has some wiki or youtube tutorial, or worst case just watch japanese top players for how to play the character.
>>343509698
>>343509698
but i play fighting games like e´s laf, ougon mosou kyou cross, mbaacc, hinokakera, vanguard princess and eternal fighter zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnUnllRtHiQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=jlZSAJUCSvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkxO0_1MFpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3kPSyhqSfI
>>343562664
Many people talk about the fun of fighters being the journey and seeing yourself improve and while that sounds like a great way to play most of learning a fighter nowadays is so mundane and static. A million tutorials and guides nothing to account for the individual skill of the player nowhere to "feel" things out. It is a very self motivated process and I feel like it just have to click with the individual so he can improve at a rate that is satisfactory. Nobody expects to be champ in a day but if you spend 3 years doing something and still are really bad at it is it fun or a journey well done?
>>343563487
Some learn good by watching. Some like meunfortunatelyneed a little bit more. Watching a pro is great but depending one the player especially ones who are starting out are not going to learn much from a a-cho match.
>>343563606
>all that kusoge
>No Big Bang Beat Revolve or Akatsuki Blitzkampf
>>343562634
You're just going to complain about the top tiers once she's gone.
>>343557427
Is he doing some kind of animation cancel in that combo? That's actually cool, I never played any of the DBZ fighting games enough to really get nuances.
>>343563807
If you have spent 3 years of playing and still don't know what you are doing, you never learned how to learn so you need to back to the beginning and learn how to actually improve. Recognizing mistakes, improving your understanding of your options at any given point and recognizing situations are far more important than anything else until the highest level of play.
>>343563839
i play big bang revolve sometimes but i get bored when nobody of my friends plays it
>>343564106
No, the top tier require actually playing the game. jack o sits on her ass and jacks off while her literal minions do the job. couldnt be more cancerous. you cant even pressure her if she has houses out, its retarded.
>>343564251
You're absolutely right and I knew this as well stated before here >>343562437. Its up to me really to try to start over but where do I begin? How do I unlearn and relearn the stuff I learned and what do I have to do to my mental state and methods to actually improve?
This is coming from someone who WANTS to learn and have problems. Imagine people who are just trying them out or don't know much about them. This is why most people don't play fighters. Mind me I'm not actually asking for solutions but just do defend my points of the hassles of getting gud and it not being as easy as it seems for some.
>>343509698
Don't have friends to play with tbqh famicom
>>343515029
Players numbers always spike after evo no matter who wins.
>>343564998
You need to look at each match from an objective standpoint, see the mistakes you made, notice how your opponent responds and work around your adaptions. And you need to do this all while recognizing what is a bad read and not an actual mistake. A lot of beginners don't realize that many situations how no real guaranteed answer and that's really hard to get past as a beginner.
>>343527441
>>343527674
http://wiki.mizuumi.net/w/Melty_Blood
http://www.meltydb.com/
https://drunkardshade.com/category/melty-blood/
http://www.meltybread.com/
>>343509698
im not into them but i bought a few metroidvania games and i enjoy them but they're hard
does ps3 xrd feel like absolute dogshit to anyone else? im picking the japan stage but still, i input backdash and like one second later the character does it. the difference between ps3 and pc is like night and day. and people meme about sfv...
>>343557427
>there'll never be a current gen Budakai or Tenkaichi
>>343565853
Xrd in general feels like dogshit, doesn't matter what system you play it on
>>343566105
nice meme dude simply epic desu senpai lol
>>343544583
Xrd and Revelator has the best fighting game tutorial available right now
I wish they had more scrub players to learn with them.
One thing that the other more casual genres have is that you can learn the game by just playing it online, you don't need to train until mid-high levels. The problem with fighting games (Or RTS for that matter) is that until you get a good grasp of the controls by playing alone for hours you won't know what the fuck are you doing.
>>343567281
>tfw you have a fighting game rival.
Every time i think i have this fucker downloaded he surprises me.
>>343568260
Suck his dick.
>>343565853
Xrd has performance issues on PS3 on top of the game's 4 frame input delay.
For GGXXAC+R, should I use the Steam version or is there a better one for online?
>>343533481
Yes
>>343544583
SF5 is the simplest, but guilty gear has a good tutorial
>>343559142
if there is one thing i like about ciel, is her design. she looks awesome. to bad the remake is gonna ruin it.
>>343568969
None of them have good netcode, sadly.
>>343569904
But which one has the best?
>>343569979
I dunno. Good luck finding players on any of them.
>>343562640
Elana is mostly broken before defensive but who care since the game is dead
>>343568260
>had a fighting game rival back in the day for SC2
we literally had an arms race of secretly learning characters and then pulling them out and crushing the other
then the other person learns that character to quit getting stomped and learns a new one
we went through the entire fucking cast this way
I miss those times
>>343569979
None. Both are unplayable. +R is impossible to play online.
>>343570516
When I say online, I mean with some friends and not randoms. Is it really just not available, or is it unbearably terrible?
>>343570648
It is unplayable in the same household. It literally does not function properly.
![Cerebella_ready[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/M4V584t.png "Cerebella ready[1]")
