Why is autism so rampant in the Smash community? Is it time the FGC bans these manchildren?
>>343487529
>Why is autism so rampant in the Smash community?
Do you really need an answer to this
Of course you'd be autistic to play kiddie party games competitively.
Can't parse the lingo here. What are they mad about?
>>343487947
Top smash players mad that TO didn't give them a free pass in brackets (letting them skip to to 32), also mad entire tournament wasn't best 3 out of 5
Tldr autists
>>343487529
Everyone that plays games "professionally" is autistic, especially fighting games
>>343488108
>free pass in brackets
Wait, they've gotten free passes to top 32?
For how long has this been going?
Shit, every other top FGC player has to go through pools, what makes these shitheads special?
>>343487736
What draws autistic and just really weird people to smash? Why don't we see these people in Street Fighter or even other fighting games?
Melee has a severe victim complex and plays nothing like established FG franchises except the broadest concepts. Their skills don't really transfer anywhere. They're relatively new to tournament scene, still getting familiar with the concepts of events aren't just about games like most smaller groups such as anime have had to. Melee as a whole is also lot more bloodthirsty than most scenes. All the gods of it's game basically hate one another, and they are arguably the golden standards other, newer players will imprint off of. Also, as with every game there is that "my game is best" or "this game is shit" logic.
For the record pretty much every fighter requires some autism because of the amount of work involved to be good but all these factors plus some others I'm probably forgetting makes smash generate all kinds of bad PR.
>>343488509
because they think because they play melee they're special.
>>343488592
Smash is colorful, bright and friendly with very little threatening themes.
No fighting game is on the level of "safe" as Smash. Even Street Fighter which is as lighthearted as fighting games get still has a ton of fan service which pushes away Smash players.
>>343488592
The whole fighting game community is full of autists, m8
its the perfect mix of competitive fighting game autism plus adult nintendo fan autism
>>343488108
>ENTIRE TOURNAMENT
>3 out of 5
Fucking god no Melee takes SO UNBELIEVABLY FUCKING LONG I have no clue how anyone can stand it.
Smash literally funds these events. It's hilarious to see jewbailey and mr. Mcrib act like they will take us out of future tournaments.
>>343488509
>>343488108
Meleefans already have a bad image from CEO where they chanted and booed GGXrd's Top 8 because it happened around the time Melee was supposed to start. The reason GG continued playing during Melee's time is because another game (KI or MKX, don't remember) ALSO went on for longer than it should so GG didn't start at the appointed time either, yet no one complained or whined.
Basically, Meleefags are the worst.
>>343489321
The FGC got along just fine before the smash kids got involved so to act like Smash is some sort of essential key component is false.
However for all that extra money they get they reap the consequences as well. Enjoy having to deal with people taking literal shits in your venue, rampant autism and having to lug CRTVs everywhere because the manchildren refuse to play on anything else.
>>343488108
wut
I've never been to a Melee tourbament that didn't only do 3/5 for anything before top 8.
Shit takes TWO DAYS as is, it would take a whole fucking week for them to do 3/5 for pools
>>343489321
>us
newsflash: no one cares about some no name faggot like you. If a Melee tournament was for the top 20 players only then no one would give a shit because those are the people who always win money anyways and the main event matches to watch.
>>343489531
Their game is so old it lags on anything except CRTs. Can't blame them for that.
Any other comm would scream bloody murder if their game lagged 2-3 frames on a LCD like Melee does.
>>343489321
Smash funds part of the event but also increases the cost of running it. Remove Smash and you don't really lose anything because even if they have less funds the events now cost less to run. Keep in mind that Smash is already the most costly game to run for these events.
>>343489868
Smash brings in pretty significant viewership though
>>343489531
If you want to go back to poverty town that's fine, but TOS are getting too big for their britches it seems. They can talk shit all they want but they will never remove melee. Maybe sm4sh since it's boring lol
>>343489629
Top 32 melee is more hype than 3S and GG XX combined. We'd still run circles around the rest of games
>>343489784
Any other community would have moved on to a different game rather than parading the corpse of a 15 year old one for this long.
>>343489531
>literal shits
Smash kids aren't that bad...right?
>>343489961
>They can talk shit all they want but they will never remove melee. Maybe sm4sh since it's boring lol
Smash 4 not only brings in more money but is also both cheaper to run and the community is easier to deal with for TOs.
>>343490060
Someone shat in the pool.
>>343490060
Pool party got cancelled at CEO because someone shat in the pool
>>343490060
Melee autist shat in the pool.
>>343490060
Basically the Smash community is what would happen if the rest of the FGC decided to not move forward with a series and just stuck with the old ones
>Smash
>tfw Melee autist
I fucking hate being in this community. I just want to play video games and have a good time.
>>343489908
Yes and no. Majority of Smash players only watch Smash and majority of FGC people don't watch Smash. So you get 100k people watching Melee then 100k people watching SFV but they're mostly different people. It's more accurate to say it keep the viewership high longer.
>>343487529
>autism
NINTENDO
>>343490060
https://twitter.com/khscar12/status/746961858188324864
>>343490343
>implying
>>343490138
>>343490147
>>343490176
How do you guys know it was from a melee player
>>343487529
blame that hack Sakurai
>>343490486
it was wavedashing
>>343490343
can confirm that i don't watch smash and have never cared about it
>>343490486
We don't, it was probably a Smash 4 player
>>343487947
They want the tourney set up in some way that the pro players feel is 'the right' way, and the tourney organizer or bracket maker or something, is saying the 'right way' is the way that works for the schedule
>>343490486
Because I did it and I'm a Melee player
>>343490486
They analyzed the shit
>>343488727
I'm a meleefag, but everything you said was right.
>Smash players
Good, I hope they fuck off completely. Tired of going to tournaments and having to smell the shit and sweat of all the autistic smash players everytime I walk past their set-ups.
>>343490532
>hack
>Sakurai
Lmao
>>343490482
Implying what? These are well-known facts. Smash games have the lowest amount of cross-over player with other games and the communities, especially Melee's, are super insular.
>>343490486
We don't but /v/ loves to blame everything on them for whatever reason. All we know is someone shat in the pool.
>>343490486
Smash players have been known for having a section of the playerbase having hygiene issues for years.
Surprisingly the rest of the FGC is not known for this.
So it's easier to point fingers at the Smash community because of this.
>>343489961
>Top 32 melee is more hype than 3S
Wow, a game is more hype than Chun/Chun/Yun/Chun/Ken/Yun/Token upper mid-tier/Chun parry OS fishing and mashing normals at full screen for meter? Say it aint so.
>>343487529
>people obsessed with a children's party game from 2001 are autistic manchildren
whoa...
>>343490930
Mostly because they're socially retarded and smell bad. Anyone could have shat the pool, but Smash, especially melee, are the obvious choice.
>>343487529
He has a point though, Melee without 3/5 and doubles isn't melee.
>>343490930
>>343490486
Both Smashes had the 1st and 3rd highest number of attendants. Coupled with the fact that the Smash community is well known for hygiene issues and is full of retards and children then statistically speaking it was most likely a smash player.
>>343489975
What smash game to move onto? Brawl and Smash 4 are almost completely different games. It would be like moving from SF2T to Mortal Kombat 1.
>>343487529
they've been playing this one game for like 15 years. i'm not surprised they've become insufferably picky, their meta is so fleshed out it's gonna start growing legs and walking around
>>343488592
more like what draws them to FGC in general (stop focusing only on smashfags like the rest of FGC doesn't have tons of retarded spergouts all the time)
I appreciate Melee for how complex and fun it is, but seriously, when is it getting dropped? There is no other franchise in the FGC that refuses to move on to the new entry. No other series with such an insular community. I could understand why Brawl was hated, but fucking hell Sm4sh is good enough.
It has nearly as big a fanbase in just two years vs 15 years. It attains high viewership and breaks records for competitor entrants. It just doesn't make sense.
>>343492337
The rest of the FGC calls out their retards instead of enabling them.
>>343488727
Damn, careful dropping these truthbombs. I love Melee but this post is 100% correct as far as the competitive scene goes.
>>343492537
Then why is Max still treated with respect in FGC?
>>343492434
smash 4 is boring
Brawl was going strong with record breaking entrants for a good 2-3 years, but that didn't mean it was a good game. smash 4 is better than brawl but it's still a boring game outside of the roster, especially when compared to melee
>>343487947
Melee pros want best of 5 instead of 3 for the top 8 bracket.
Ignore the posts in this thread, Nintenshill smear thread.
Saged.
>>343488509
to be fair there is literally no question they will just end up in top 32 every time regardless. does ZeRo still go through pools in Smash4?
>>343492692
You can't be serious. Nobody respects Max in the FGC, he gets the most shit from the community and nobody takes him seriously, his fans are all extreme casuals most of which don't even play fighting games.
>>343492867
how does he even still make a career out of his shit then? i assumed he must still have fans high up in FGC since he still acts like he is hot shit and gets early info from devs and such
>>343492784
The same can be said of Daigo and yet he goes through pools. There's no excuse for them.
>>343492867
Id rather believe what I see instead of listening to people on the internet bitch about venues theyve never been to.
Other fighting games just aren't as passionate about their game as smash players. Why do you think people continued to play Melee for 15 years but people abandoned ST at the drop of a hat?
>>343488509
I don't think I can really explain to someone that doesn't already play/watch Smash why this actually makes sense.
There are literally 6 or 7 players in the entire Melee community actually capable of winning a tournament in which any of the other said 6 or 7 players are participating.
It's really impossible to understand exactly how big the skill gap is between these guys and even the rest of the top 10.
There's no good reason to have them play pools. They literally will not, cannot, and have never lost at that stage of a major tournament.
>>343493084
ehhh, haven't people said daigo's not even close to the best anymore?
Just taking a blind swing here. If I was to guess meleefags are tired of being looked down at by the FGC for not being a real fighting game so they're trying to compensate by showing Melee is serious business and how alpha they are. If I was to also guess this is why they're constantly at Sm4sh's throat trying to show that Melee is obviously superior and make themselves look better by comparison.
>>343493198
Daigo is top 10 best SFV players.
>>343493018
Not him but Max isn't really part of the FGC.
He doesn't go to tournaments and his fans are an insanely large part not in any way associated with the FGC because they usually don't even play fighting games and definitely do not go to events.
I mean fuck, one time they were giving out awards right before the SFIV grand final and when they called him he wasn't even there.
How can you be a part of the FGC and not even watch the EVO grand final of the biggest game there?
All he does is play garbage games that nobody good plays and you can just scrub out wins by mashing shit like KI and MK, then he avoids and/or shits on anything that has good players where he might actually have to try and learn the game like Xrd or KoF.
>>343493246
that's not really saying much considering it's SFV.
>>343493168
Because in 15 years smash hasn't had a good game. It's not that they stick with it cause they wanna, it's that they have no choice
>>343493018
Casual kids who don't even play games and just watch streamers all day. Nobody who actually cares about tournament (Attending or watching) cares about him, he doesn't even attend tournament.
>gets early info from devs
Only Killer Instinct because he's working on the game
>>343492434
I know a lot of it has to do with the top players in Melee like mang0 and Armada refusing to move on, they have huge fanbases that keep it alive. But if they dropped Melee and seriously played sm4sh, most of their fans would move on too. I'm so tired of watching a tourney and knowing 100% that a Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff, or Marth is going to win. The people that actually win are almost never challenged either; there's no suprises.
Yeah, ZeRo ran rampant in sm4sh for a while, but since then we've seen lots of new winners and characters. Top 16 at CEO saw 20+ different characters and several big name players weren't even in it. What's not exciting about that?
I will say though that Sonic and Rosalina are absolute cancer. However, we all know Jigglypuff in Melee is too and you are always going to see Hbox in top 8, it's annoying.
>>343493327
>That's not really saying much considering it's the most played game with all the SFIV pros playing it and over 5000 entrants at EVO with other majors pulling EVO numbers
Okay...
>>343493327
That's saying plenty since SFV is the game that has the biggest competitive presence of any fighting game.
>>343493184
If your top players don't have to go through pool because they win everytime you might as well not have a tournament and just have your top players battle it out.
What did he mean by this?
>>343493417
why do people keep posting this like it's not totally obvious that any pro or wannabe pro SFIV player would logically have to jump from IV to V? they don't have a choice
>>343493456
i'll be watching for peak viewer numbers during each grand finals to see which game draws the biggest crowd
i get this feeling it won't be SFV despite the huge entrant numbers
>>343493408
>I'm so tired of watching a tourney and knowing 100% that a Fox, Falco, Jigglypuff, or Marth is going to win.
Maybe stop being a retarded bandwagoning secondary piece of shit and fuck off to other games then.
This is the easiest way to spot someone that doesn't even play melee just trying to start shit. None of the top Foxes play him the same way and the best player in the world doesn't even main the characters you listed (hint it's Armada's Peach).
Eat a dick and fuck off to your jerk off party game with lots of flashy characters on display for baby autists you fucking faggot.
>>343493585
>That's not really saying much considering it's the most played game with all the SFIV pros playing it and over 5000 entrants at EVO with other majors pulling EVO numbers
Okay...
>>343492738
What makes it boring? You're entitled to your opinion, but you know tons of people disagree. It doesn't have wavedashing or L-cancelling so it is indeed slower, but is it really that necessary?
There are plenty of hype moments to be had and the game is still young. Way back when Melee was new no one knew any advance tech and it was slower than sm4sh is now. Yet it was still popular.
>>343493702
if capcom allowed people to continue playing SFIV on mainstage evo i guarantee the number of SFV entrants would be significantly lower
>>343487529
>people can't just play Smash and be happy
I may not be the best but I am having the most fun, even though I have nobody to play with.
>>343493184
Well they should have to do it anyways. We saw Zero, who was the smash 4 equivalent of a god and has like a total of two championships missed out of all his tournys, scrub out against a fucking Palutena.
>>343492784
Funny enough, ZeRo got beat by a low tier random in pools at CEO. A couple of other big names like Trela and MVD didn't even get out of pools.
>>343492434
>when is it getting dropped?
Either when it dies, which is a long time from now, or if the community royally fucks up.
>>343493808
this, SFIV is literally perfect
>>343493847
he's just washed up and emotionally destroyed after getting actually no memeing cucked
>>343493408
>what's not exciting about that
the actual gameplay part. All of the "hype" around smash 4 is about what character is being played or who is playing instead of what actually happens during the game. Smash 4 will never have hype gameplay moments like axe 4stocking silentwolf because the gameplay doesn't allow for it
>>343487529
>>343493684
>nobody plays him the same
But he was still correct, wasn't he?
The character pool that will take tourneys is as limited as he said and has been demonstrated as that limited for years.
>>343488592
Hahah holy shit
>>343493916
That doesn't change the fact that he lost. Everyone can pull out excuses.
>>343493916
No, he had a 3-month hiatus in which his main was gutted and other players adapted and caught up.
>>343492867
>>343493018
>>343493316
Max does a lot of OC and the assist me vids are great.
He really does like vidya and has constantly admitted he's not good enough to compete at tournaments. His streams can be annoying just from the constant subscribers he reads off ever 3 seconds snd his vid titles can be clickbaity at times but he's good otherwise.
>muh fox vs fox boogeyman
Literally every fox plays differently, thats how high skill he is. Think of each fox player as a different character in the roster.
>>343488809
Are you serious? Fanservice pushing people away?
Smash is my favorite fighting game (if you'd call it that) but I'm as perverted as they come. SF is fun but I have nobody to play it with and Smash is more customizable to play alone.
>>343494090
>oh, ahh, my wrist hurts guys, i'm gonna take a break from smash4
>bayonetta gets nerfed
>HEY GUYS MY WRIST HAS MIRACULOUSLY HEALED, BACK TO SMASH4
>>343494007
Still don't see your point.
1 melee character has more gameplay variety than 4 sm4sh characters put together.
Hell, even a shitty character like Ganondorf is extremely different between his 4 top players.
>>343494193
>Brawl club
>typical melee tournament
cmon
>>343493184
I watch and play some smash.
>skill gap
It still not enough to net them special snowflake treatment.
>They literally will not, cannot, and have never lost at that stage of a major tournament
Of course they don't, they skip that shit.
Like you said, they're the best, they should breeze through pools no problem or are they really afraid of randomly SDing to some random in pools that they want the diva treatment and skip it?
Well tough shit. Everyone else goes through pools and just because you can shinespark better doesn't mean you get the blue blood treatment.
If your the so called "best 7" in the world, then fucking show it and don't skip like limp wristed faggots thinking they're above playing against others.
>>343494147
You have to make shit like this up to get over the fact that less characters are viable in Melee than even in Smash 64, which only had twelve characters.
>>343493684
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Armada plays Fox in top 8 unless the Peach matchup is advantageous, you dummy. Also, your autistic rant is pretty symbolic of the Melee community. Any hint of criticism and you sperg out assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. I watch both games equally, but I play sm4sh way more for a variety of reasons.
>>343494261
When you see the same guys playing Fox every time, I wouldn't really call it variety.
When was the last time a god went to a tourney and didn't win it with one of those 6 characters?
Same outcome every time. A god wins with a top tier.
>>343492765
Why should Melee get any special treatment when every other FG at any of these events goes Bo3 until finals?
>Smash is the most cancerous community
>it's the one with the most players in it
>it's the one where people just can't move on and play the newest installment for no good reason
>it's the one where the players practically engage in civil wars on a constant basis because it's so polarized against itself
Why are you surprised that it's the most obnoxious?
>>343488809
kids don't see something and instantly think "this is supposed to make my dick hard" like us adults do, retard.
>>343494585
They're hoping that their extra chromosome qualifies for special treatment.
>>343494246
>comes back
>loses to a MARIO
>who was widely regarded at most at the bottom of top tier
>then loses to ANTi
>then Larry
>then PrinceRamen of all people
>>343493553
>in vein
Lol
I'm pretty sure it's....Bane
>>343494353
A lot of pools aren't 3/5, so there is a chance of them getting randomed out. Getting a bye to the 3/5 spots is just a safer approach for them really and more TOs need to start adopting it so we can get an exciting top 8 with all the gods.
>>343494246
>His wrist
He had a hole in his hand.
>>343490343
lol more like 200k+ on melee grandfinals and 50k if youre lucky on SFV good lie tho
>>343494637
I play the newest installment but I don't get why everyone is so against customs ir legalizing more stages.
Customs are so good for so many characters.
I don't know why any of you think you can actually get through to the Melee autists. It doesn't matter what facts or data you show them, they'll just reply with "Melee is perfect and beautiful the way it is, everything else is shit in comparison."
>>343494504
Gods may win all of the tournaments, but it's the road to winners/losers that matters.
Besides Gods have lost to nonGods before, it's just rare.
>crying about top tiers
>when all Sm4sh majors have been won by the current Patch top tiers
That hypocrisy.
>>343494585
>>343494665
If you want a real non-meme answer, in melee Bo5 sets are very different in gameplay terms than Bo3. Melee is very stage dependent, and in a Bo5 the stage counterpick game has no bans so you HAVE to play on your characters worst stages.
>>343494731
how'd that happen?
astigmatism?
>>343494725
If the "gods" can't make it into top 8 just because they have to play Bo3 pools then either they aren't as good as you think they are or the game is shit.
>>343494852
After however many years of less than 10 people winning everything with 6 characters, this should be clear.
>>343494731
>a hole
He had a fucking BOO-BOO on that shit.
>>343487529
>an entitlement check
as opposed to the welfare checks you receive
>>343494725
>muh top 8 hype
Fuck off streamboar
>>343494894
do you mean stigmata?
I love Smash to death but the top Melee guys are crawling further and further up their own asses as time goes by.
At least competitive Smash 4 has gotten more interesting lately now that Zero isn't just winning everything he shows up to.
>>343494876
Was Mewtwo termed a top tier before he took Pound? I'm pretty sure he fucking wasn't.
Regardless, there are upwards of FIFTEEN top tiers in Smash 4 wheras there are 6 in Melee.
>>343494876
I appreciate the response, but honestly the only reply I can give is them's the brakes. This is how the FGC has always done things, Melee isn't going to break that trend. At least not anytime soon, it would take Melee grossly overpowering the entire event to get those type of changes, and even then the logistics of it just flat out don't work in community driven tournaments with an average of 5 plus games per day.
It's a game with Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>343495117
No Sonic in Melee.
>>343493184
>>343494725
>giving players a free pass from pools
Nah fuck that shit, it's LITERALLY nothing but nepotism.
There's no justifying such a scummy thing. If they're really such gods they shouldn't drown in pools so easily.
All it does is encourage a cancerous circlejerk and stops newer players from entering the spotlight unless they pull some meme magic out of their ass and break into semis with the game's lowest-tier character.
Like holy fucking shit I've usually been pretty neutral to melee outside of the cancerous fanbase, but if this is true, that's absolutely disgusting and completely shits upon the idea of an open tournament.
>>343492337
Smash is significantly worse
You get autists in the FGC but you get proper mentally disabled people in smash left and right
>>343495081
He was in the Japanese meta.
He got tremendously buffed to the point of being a top tier with legit infinites and kill confirms out of a lot of shit, with a top 3 kill throw.
So yeah, top tiers change with patches, doesn't change the fact that a top tier won.
>>343495040
This. Some players like Leffen and Mang0 can be incredibly arrogant and expect special treatment all the time. And they get away with it because their fanbase enables them, unlike any other games with top players would get called out for this behavior. M2K spouts dumb shit too but it's just because he's autistic.
>>343493184
Welcome to tournaments for every fucking game that isn't street fighter
>>343495219
Literally only Leffen, the biggest shit-talker and self-appointed villain of the melee community, is behind that shit.
>>343493934
See now that is just straight up false and you know it. Sure, you may like Melee's gameplay better, nothing wrong with that. But to say sm4sh has no exciting moments is just dumb and deceitful. There are player upsets, there are flashy combos and kills, there are comebacks, and all. The character variety is certainly a big draw, but it is not the only draw.
And if character variety allows for exciting, different moments in sm4sh, then we have to acknowledge that lack of character variety in Melee leads to seeing the same combos and kills a lot. Whether it be a shine spike, up throw to rest, the Ken combo, wobbling, or chain grabs on spacies, we've seen it for 15 years. It gets stale. That is not to say that watching M2K body someone with Marth isn't entertaining, it's just expected.
>>343495335
Globally he wasn't regarded as one until after Pound.
And we've seen major tourney wins with Diddy, Sheik, ZSS, Mario, Mewtwo, Rosalina, and Cloud now after, what, less than 2 years?
That's 7 characters. And at mid-level and below, absolutely everyone is viable.
>>343495219
major tournaments shouldn't always be open
who the fuck wants to see some no name top 250 foxes get dumpstered by top players for an entire goddamn day before anything interesting happens?
honestly just let top players pass pools (or even just do invite only tourneys), do bo5 from top32 and bo7 for top 8
>>343494238
>EVERYONE THINKS THE SAME WAY AS ME
No.
>>343494725
>so there is a chance of them getting randomed out
>A safer approach
Again, tough shit. They're "gods", they have great skill. They shouldn't be afraid of pools. Randomed out? Shit happens, everyone deals with it. If these "gods" can't deal with with that then they're less "gods" and more like those freinds you sneak into the theater you work at for free.
If this is true then Melee is a fucking joke.
>>343495495
prepare for a wall of meme arrows, my man.
>>343495560
I'm just saying that fanservice is a bizarre reason for people not playing.
Any sources on it? Because it makes no sense.
>>343495597
How long has the Melee crowd been Floating their "gods"?
>>343495537
>major tournaments shouldn't always be open
Get the fuck out cancer
>>343492867
>Nobody respects Max in the FGC
Confirmed retard, he won a Cannon award at last year's EVO and is a great entry point tor the FGC for new players. His content may not appeal to you anymore, but statements like that are utterly stupid.
It's really not that surprising. Smash got banned once in the past from Evo due to the cancerous community and only was allowed to return like a decade later. I don't doubt that the autistic faggots will sperg out and get themselves banned again like last time.
>>343494147
Yet you only see 3 different Fox mains in top 8. So how is that variety?
>>343495495
>lack of character variety in Melee leads to seeing the same combos and kills a lot
Wrong. The game's engine allows for new combos and kills up to this very day.
Sm4sh's biggest draw is the character variety, and no there are no creative combos in Sm4sh since the game does not allow them due to the lack of lag cancelling techniques, low hitstun, and high BKB/KBG on most moves.
The game is extremely neutral based, and too entrenched on 50/50 airdodge baits. It's fun to play, sure, but it can't really be called that free-form. The game just doesn't allow it.
>>343495219
I agree, it's actually fucking shocking.
Has no one ever called this out? If I were to guess based on this shit, I would think people have but then dicksucking fanboys shut them down because they're not 'top players', sound about right?
>FGC outside of Smash not being considered manchildren
not really into fighting games at all but Smash seems the least autistic. it isn't full of obese elitist weebs that spend $200 extra for a controller
>>343494725
Fuck off with this esports bullshit. No one gets a pass from playing pools. Prove yourself or get bodied.
>>343495537
Fuck off that completely goes against the competitive spirit of these tournaments in the first place. You are a literal stream boar if that's how you think things should be.
>>343495715
why exactly does it matter who else shows up when there's a pool of less than 32 players you can pick top 8 from in every single tourney? as long as that top 32 is there then everything is literally exactly the same
if you cannot provide a fact based answer, and you can't, then please realize you actually agree with me by default
>CEO top 8 had 9 characters
>more than third the roster
>muh character diversityfags still complain
You people won't be satisfied until a fucking Kirby wins a major.
>>343495219
>>343495853
It goes to show you that people are behind the celebrities and not the game.
>>343495886
This. Gamecube controller is probably the most comfiest controller.
>>343495918
They have already proven themselves multiple times over the course of 15 years.
>>343495886
>people that carry around ded hardware are less autistic than people that buy sticks
it's like these threads never differ, and they're already retarded
Giving the gods an instant ride to finals kind of stagnates the communities growth doesn't it?
People in pools should get a chance to play against the gods, because they're not going to give their all in a friendly. Depriving fledgling players of that experience also deprives them of a wonderful chance to hone their skills against the legit best in the worldAND SHOW ME THEIR MOVES..
If the gods don't see it that way, they're not just being primadonnas they're also being huge dickheads.
>>343496008
So suddenly nobody gets a chance to even try and beat them?
You do realize how bullshit that is, right?
>>343495928
Because it's a fucking tournament, a contest. Everyone who enters should have an equal opportunity to win. Giving advantages to established players is straight up scummy. This isn't some fun tournament in someone's garage, this is for money. Potentially a lot of money. This is one step down from cheating. The organisers are actively handing out advantage to certain groups of people.
As multiple other posters have said, it is scummy as fuck and the fact that some of these 'top players' drowned in pools should tell you just how useful this corruption has been to them, imagine how many 'drownings' have been avoided due to that nepotism shit.
>>343495928
The entire point of an FGC tournament is that anyone can enter and that anybody has a chance to win if they put in the time. Every actual FGC guy would laugh you out of the room for suggesting such nonsense.
>>343496008
So?
>>343495537
Am I really fucking reading this?
Holy fuck, I may be a stream monster, but you are literal cancer.
God fuck cults of personality so hard.
Keep your ciclejerks to small invitationals.
>>343495928
>why exactly does it matter who else shows up when there's a pool of less than 32 players you can pick top 8 from in every single tourney?
Because players should work to retain their top-32 status and not have it handed to them on a silver platter you hype monkey. Do it for a year, do it for 10 years, they need to keep working for their status.
As I said, it is LITERAL nepotism in it's purest form, absolutely disgusting.
>>343496008
Gods have lost in pools before.
Besides the excitement of joining a tournament as a new player is being lucky to face a pro and learn from it.
>>343495886
>Not really into fighting games
Then everything you just said doesn't matter in the slightest to anyone who does care cause you have no understanding of anything in the slightest. You don't even know why people buy fighting sticks in the first place. Just keep your mouth shut unless you want to learn.
>>343493184
ZeRo lost to a Palutena
Nairo lost to a mid-tier as well
I'm a Meleefag but honestly whoever thinks that he should get a wildcard into Top 32 needs to get a grip
>>343496008
So has Daigo, so has Justin Wong, so has countless other names in the FGC and do you seem them begging to get a free pass out of pools? What you're suggesting is completely opposite to the spirit of fighting game tournaments (which the Smash scene constantly begs to be recognised in) in that they are open to any and everyone, providing equal opportunity for players to prove themselves. If you don't want to do that anymore, fuck off to e-sports or better yet hold your own Smash exclusive events and fucking stay there.
>>343496008
M2K lost to a falcon for the first time in 10 years. Anything can happen.
>>343496105
>Giving the gods an instant ride to finals kind of stagnates the communities growth doesn't it?
Melee community is mostly 5 top players and people idolizing them with a few players actually trying to reach the higher level. It's actually a fucking miracle that a community this huge has such a low amount of top players.
Everyone in here is big dumb ok so player am mad becuz not place in braket but because 3/5 counterpick very import instead of 2/3 and double is big for big dumb like sfat who cant get top 8
>>343495886
>not really into fighting games at all but Smash seems the least autistic.
As someone with experience with both communities through organising yearly majors, you are wrong. Smash is easily the most autistic by a huge margin, also the most likely to have horrific BO.
Both Smash games are dominated by the same exact people. There is absolutely never any "shocking" newcomer in top 8. Top players also have this inner circle where they only train with each other and team up with each other in doubles just to guarantee themselves money. Now they are bitching about the pot being evenly spread so money is distributed fairly. Instead of bitching why dont they just huddle up and agree to put all the money they won in a pool and distribute it themselves? Of course the guy who always gets first place will bitch about that too. No one is ever happy because they're a bunch of manchildren who will play this game until they are 35.
Another fact is that no one cares about the literally whos playing in pools. If tournaments were just about the top 32 players being invited and competing against each other no one will give a shit. Everyone else can go play friendlies somewhere because they obviously wont sniff the prize money anyways.
>smashfags shitting on the very basis of fair competition
Just to clear up some misinformation: Top players have been floated at Genesis 3 and literally nowhere else, and there are no plans for it at any upcoming tournaments.
Also, seeding already accomplishes basically the same thing, except the top players still have to waste their time playing scrubs.
>>343495886
>obese
Obese people in the FGC are the exception, not the rule. See: Luffy, NuckleDu, SnakeEyes, and Julio.
>elitist
Like what you're being, right now.
>weebs
The most popular games are never anime. SFV has over 5 times as many entrants at Evo than the anime game with the most entrants.
>$200 extra for a controller
No one needs to buy a fightstick, and you can get ones for much cheaper than that. Luffy and NuckleDu both play on PS2 pads for example.
>>343496394
>no shocking newcomer in top 8
I'm pretty sure LordMix, a fucking Bowser main, getting 4th at a national tourney was a big deal.
>>343496308
That's because the sky ceiling is cosmic, and it only keeps getting higher with new shit still being discovered and implemented.
It's literally a 15-year long catchup game. There's only so much newer players can do but they're catching up, they're almost there.
>>343496470
>the top players still have to waste their time playing scrubs.
They are not 'wasting their time' they are proving that they deserve to proceed in the tournament over the other player. Holy fuck I can't believe this needs to be said.
I can only assume you guys are full time stream monsters and don't actually know how tournaments function.
Does Esports do this "floating" bullshit with top players? I need help identifying where this particular breed of cancer is coming from.
>>343496439
Worst part is, by the sounds of them they have never been to an actual tournament, let alone enter one. Bunch of stream boars and they wonder why everyone keeps giving them shit.
>>343496394
>There is absolutely never any "shocking" newcomer in top 8.
>KIDGoggles at Pound2016
>>343494725
And this denies fans the opportunity to play their favorite God in a tournament pool. If they are truly that good then they should be able to body everyone and move on. Then there's also consideration for really good players that aren't top 6 like Wizzrobe, Wobbles, or Westballz. They aren't allowed to pool float, but mang0 and Hbox are? That's fucked.
>>343496658
>Does Esports do this "floating" bullshit with top players?
No
>I need help identifying where this particular breed of cancer is coming from.
Sweden
>>343496558
I really wonder whether it's sad or hilarious how much melee shitters overrate their own game
Like, I thought for the longest time it was ironic but I eventually realised they actually believe this shit
>>343496558
> There's only so much newer players can do but they're catching up, they're almost there.
Bullshit, they aren't even close to matching the gods.
Name someone that isn't a god that can beat HBox.
Go ahead.
>>343496658
Floating has never happened in any other major fighting game.
>>343496558
VampSav is the best fighting game of all time and you can get the fuck out if you say otherwise.
>>343496439
It's not necessarily a unanimous thing within the smash community. Hell, at Genesis 3 both S4 and Melee were supposed to have floating but the S4 players heavily shot it down.
>>343496741
NOBODY CAN.
THE GAME IS STAGNANT.
>>343496637
The #1 seed starts the tournament by playing the lowest seed and it doesn't get much better than that for round 1 pools. There is nothing to be proven there, you actual retard.
>>343496741
Plup is almost there.
Axe has beaten most of the gods before.
Westballz is too darn inconsistent but he can do it.
Frankly the fucking wall that's keeping melee from major upsets is Hbox, who can only be beated by Mang0, Leffen, Armada and barely.
>>343496741
Leffen
>>343495081
Do the math faggotron that's the same percentage of the roster being a top tier, your point is null.
>>343496658
It's coming from actual sports
>>343496725
E sports is like Open and invitationals. Most of the Big tournaments in the FGC at least from what I know of outside of smash games. Are all opens. Sometimes the SF pros can't reg till last min and they get thrown into "the pool of death" which is all the late registering pros. Not all tourneys have this, but it does happen.
>>343496394
>Top players also have this inner circle where they only train with each other and team up with each other in doubles just to guarantee themselves money
This is how pretty much every fighting game's top level scene works. How insular/public it is varies, but all the top players are usually within certain social circles and if you are outside this you are forever locked from certain knowledge and will likely not get to their level even if you have the potential to. In my experience most 'good' communities have this fairly easy to get into, just talk to the top players and ask them for casuals, and if you go to enough events they'll know who you are. That said, I can see cancerous communities like melee having players who deliberately keep it exclusive because they're scared of actual competition emerging.
Honestly I would say a game with a community like that isn't worth bothering with attempting to play at high level, it's pretty much a waste of time.
Real talk I don't play either Smash games but I feel bad for the Smash 4 community. Everytime I heard dumb shift coming from Smash fans it's from Melee players yet Smash 4 gets flaked just as much while in fact they don't really bother anyone. And the Smash 4 community actually seems to be made of players rather than groupies for top players.
>>343495495
>lack of character variety in Melee leads to seeing the same combos and kills a lot
what the fuck
and SM4sh doesn't have the same kills every time?
>floating pools
This is why melee will never be taken seriouslyby normal smelling humans anyway
Could you imagine a real sport did this
>Ayy commissioner Silver, the east sucks ass, can we be floated to the finals?
>>343487529
Memeleefags are the worst.
And thank god Metroid and paper mario are nit competitive games, because both those fanbases are just as bad.
>>343496956
Play/watch/understand Melee and you'll understand why everyone rags on Smash 4
>>343496819
The fact that it's ever been a thing in and of itself is unforgivable.
Good on S4 players for shooting it down.
>>343495689
For a long ass time.
>>343496008
And they should continue to do so. No free rides.
They have to continue proving that they're gods
>>343496470
>waste their time playing scrubs
It's not wasting time, they're proving their skill.
>most meleefags here are stream boars
It explains a lot really.
>>343496865
Plup winning a national is the only thing that would be better for melee than a leffen domination spree like pre evo last year
>>343497025
Floating is a sports thing though.
>>343496658
See this? Morons like you ruin /v/ as a whole. You CAN'T possibly understand how sophisticated Melee is. I'm sorry you don't have the intellect to understand how amazing smash brothers is as a competitive sport,but news flash its the greatest and most intense game of our lifetime and of probably all time.Its been 15 years since its release, 2016 now and its still going due to true esporters like myself. You've never been to a tournament and hosted and lost and cried and celebrated. You're nothing but a fake gamer who has better luck on overwatch. Fucking pitiful they allow inbred pieces of filth like you to post in a thread about something as treasured as melee.
>>343497080
Give examples
>>343496892
Yeah but 15 is more than double 6.
Regardless of the percentage, I'm seeing over twice as many, and that's just top tiers.
High tiers like DK, Mega Man, Luigi, and Toon Link (among many others) can make top 8 and sometimes take tourneys. Majors are infrequent, though, but character variety in major wins has already been greater in Smash 4 than in Melee.
>>343496860
Only a certain number of players are seeded at all, so no, that's not how it works. Again, have you ever actually organised or been to one of these? It is perfectly within the realms of possibility that a 'top' player would lose to an unknown. You might consider it unlikely, but the fact that it is a possibility means that you should not prevent players from having the chance.
If the players is better he has nothing to fear. And if he's playing for money in an open tournament you bet your ass he's expected to waste his 'valuable' time actually playing by the tournaments rules like everyone else.
>>343497054
I think he's talking about the communities moreso than the gameplay
>>343497080
such as?
>>343496950
If you want to play a top player in fighting games you just attend the weekly tournament. If you're in Japan you just go to the arcade. Simple as that.
>being against floating pools
HugS put it great here:
>Imagine the Golden State Warriors versus your highschool basketball team
>>343497126
Please stop baiting.
IRL martial arts are infinitely more technical.
>>343497054
See, it's comments like these why people call you guys autists.
>>343497025
Early round byes in tournaments and invitational seeding in opens is literally EVERYWHERE in sports though
>>343497187
Imagine the Warriors losing.
Would that not make for an amazing headline?
>>343497172
You could consider the NFL giving an off week in the playoffs to the top seeds something like this.
>>343497134
>>343497172
Tennis, Golf, etc. Higher ranked Athletes qualifying straight to the bigger brackets without the qualifiers.
It's mostly a single athlete sport thing, not for team based sports.
People like MVD would benefit from floating since he always drowns in pools like a bitch.
>>343497180
Pretty much, not everyone has that chance though. I got to a high level in my game doing exactly what I described. Flew to other countries for tournaments, you meet the same faces every time, and if you're not shit they'll be happy to play and help you - provided the community is not shit.
>>343497187
>imagine your highschool basketball team has to play for a whole day and then play against a fresh golden state
>>343497187
>Defending floating
Meleefags everyone.
>>343497187
If you're for this shit, then kindly admit that Smash is not a fighting game and does not belong at FG tournaments, because FGs are about offering equal opportunity to any and every player regardless of status and skill.
>>343497080
>Floating
But not in FGC events. Capcom Nixed a tourney this year because the TO floated top players last year.
>>343495789
I don't believe you're serious. I've seen the same things in Melee for the past couple of years. Yes, the engine certainly allows the top tiers do a variety of things, but that doesn't mean the meta pushes them. That doesn't stop Hbox from spamming back air all day nor does it stop Fox laser spam or Falco dair spikes or Marth chain grabs or wobbling.
You don't know what you're talking about in regards to sm4sh, that much is obvious. Or maybe you are just that ignorant of the hype stuff that can be done. Visit YouTube.
>>343497187
Players that join tournaments that aren't top players are usually there to learn and improve from their opponents. This also detracts from the tournament endurance factor that most other top players in most other games have to deal with.
>>343497187
That's because basketball has leagues. The Golden State Warriors aren't skipping pools you moron, they're just in a higher league.
>>343497281
>PG MVD
>PG "385th @ CEO" Trela
>>343497187
it's more like imagine golden state vs philly. The very basis of open tournaments is that everyone starts on even ground
What is it with all these threads bashing on Melee recently?
>>343497279
qualifiers=/=pools
>>343487529
They're people who take a video game marketed towards children seriously and think they're special/superior to people who play other games because of it.
You have to be autistic to be one of them.
So you melee autists defending your "gods" skipping pools, let me ask you this:
Why even have a top 32 or 16? If it's going to be the same 8 people advancing in every major, why even bother?
Do you see how stupid this shit is?
>>343497453
Melee community has found a new way to embarass themselves every day for the past week.
>>343497453
EVO is near
insecure SM4sh players, angry SF players, ignorant shit-stirrers
>>343493553
>>343493553
I know his sister. I think one of their family friends an hero'd.
>>343497475
They are essentially the same thing, you're splitting hairs over the bracket structure.
>>343497080
The only example I can think of is "previous winner skips the group stage" and even then it's only 1 guy/team instead of the whole of top10 or whatever the fuck you're suggesting.
>>343497453
They really do most of the work themselves.
>getting 7th place out of over 2000 people won't pay for a flight and a room
What.
>>343497506
In fact, why not just skip the whole tourney entirely and randomly decide the winner amongst the top players from a dice roll
>Muh tech skill, muh depth
>Game is being dominated by a glorified brawl character
Why are meleefags so delusional?
>>343497525
>Melee community
Don't you mean Leffen being Leffen? Stop generalizing
>>343497394
I follow Sm4sh. I've seen the best the has to offer so far, and it's mostly in the form of single moves being used in unexpected ways, like Larry Lurr Shinespiking Zero's Diddy.
Combos in sm4sh are extremely limited and cut short to 2-3 hits in most cases.
You are not going to have a legit 0-to-death COMBO (read combo, not string) outside of maybe a combo Sheik has on Fox, and that's about it. Combo that doesn't even kill btw since Sheik is poop at killing now.
>>343493553
His sister drowned trying to noodle catfish
>>343497641
Read the op, furfag
>>343497530
Jesus christ.
