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What are you fags working on?
>TOs need to remind smashers to follow one of the basic tennants of hygiene
JUST
>>343470315
Kek
>>343470315
I'm a smashfag myself but these are pretty funny
>>343470315
>deodorant
>hygiene
>>343470761
well in the summer everyone sweats, you can't be expected to take 4 showers in a day
>doesn't have any bad matchups
>still can barely make top 16 at most majors
what went wrong?
>>343469497
I don't know
I guess working on both my Fox and Sheik, contemplating on whether or not I should learn IC's
>>343470846
Sweating is a natural occurrence that everyone needs to do or else we'd overheat and die. The smell is just a byproduct and is not indicative of being unhygenic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LabJoi9w4s
>>343470968
>doesn't have any bad matchups
He doesn't have any good matchups either. Only real problem with Falco is that no one plays him, not that he's bad.
>>343471137
are you some hippie fag?
are you saying people shouldn't be wearing Deodorant?
>>343471192
among the top tiers alone, falco shits on ICs, Falcon, Pika, Samus and imo cleanly beats Sheik and Peach (although no one plays this matchup correctly).
but yeah there are 0 dedicated falco mains in the top 20 these days, it's a shame.
Leffen got a 2 year visa
Hax has had more surgery and he can play for a short amount of time a day
PP and hax might go to evo
>>343470968
why play him when Fox is better?
what did he mean by this?
>>343471706
lol m2k
>>343471706
The Catfishing snapped him.
>>343471706
We where black and stuff.
>>343471643
because it's rewarding to play a character that isn't broken and EZ mode?
>>343471706
>got trolled the hardest anyone has ever been trolled and humiliates himself on stream
>day later he doesn't give a fuck and everyone has forgotten
How did he do it?
>>343471935
Fox is broken as fuck but he is by any mean EZ.
>>343471935
I main the bird, but come on anon, he can be pretty ez at times.
>>343470968
gimped by everyone
>>343472009
Autism doesnt make you aware of some situations.
>>343472010
don't know about this. people say Fox requires a lot of tech skill, but he is still overpowered at every level of the game. His speed, shine gimps, nair-walls, laser-camping, etc are things anyone can take advantange of.
Falco is good but still has to work hard for his kills. He doesn't get anything free besides pillar combos.
>>343472009
I missed it, what happened?
>>343472430
Guy pretended to be a girl and talked to m2k online. 3 weeks later "she" told m2k she was dying of huntingtons disease. m2k cries on stream while trying to raise awareness for the disease. /v/ finds proof he was catfished, shitstorm happens, he deletes all his tweets and pretends it never happened.
>>343472430
oh boy you missed a lot. someone get those webms
why is mang0 so based?
EVO Payout released
>>343473646
oh man my boy plup is gonna get paid when he wins
check the 4
>>343470315
>basic tennants
>>343473840
trolled hard
>>343473724
>Plup winning EVO
Maybe next year, anon.
>>343473935
no but i got the 4
>>343473995
it's official, Plup's getting 4th again
>>343473646
>14k to spam Bair all day
Lol
>>343474184
>hungrybox winning EVO
(You)
>>343473646
>Place Top 8 at a 2000 man tournament with all the best players in the world
>Make the same amount of money as winning your local
>>343474390
He's gonna be real embarrassed abput having that stupid tweet pinned on his Twitter after Evo comes round
>>343474390
>Leffen
Now I'm leffan
>>343471192
I've been playing Fox inconsistantley for about 9 months now and can still keep up my techskill randomly and combos but idk what the fuck to do with Falco, he just is hard as fuck to me. I don't know how Mango or WEstballz switches inbetween them so easily.
>>343472009
Things like that happen to m2k bi-yearly.
im diggin all these CEO Vods, glad people recorded the obscure matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0buBDmjzdA
>>343470968
>Doesn't have any bad matchups
Marth says hi.
It's INCREDIBLY hard for a Falco to fight even a decent Marth who isn't some pools trash. The distance you need to play against Marth to be effective is constantly in danger because of the options Marth has to simply take your movement away. You cant play medium range against him because grabs and tilts, and if you try to run away to play long range to make them commit and fuck up they chase you down and corner you, so unless you play center stage and scrap, or can get lasers off to control their positioning you're not doing much of anything. So your choices are A: Play like a wiener and win the upclose scrap, or B: play platforms/lasers until you get an opening, which even platforms are a risk because of that fags reach.
Add to that he goes even with Sheiks, Peach's and LOSES to Fox players who can even slightly limit Falco's movement, and you've got a char not winning majors anymore unless hes used by a god. And by that time you're playing against top 50 players, you're more so playing the player than the char.
t.Peach player, not a Falco or Marth, but I do know the MU enough to say its definitely not in Falco's favor, regardless of incoming youtube link you'll use as a deflection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nespaQisZCg
Don't Fucking Doubt Him
>>343475227
>That beginning
Holy fuck Mango has the bantz son
>>343475129
I'm not saying falco wins vs. marth or anything, he might even lose, but lasers really improve the matchup and can net you grabs/stuff approaches/etc. If you stay below him and bait approaches you can do a lot.
I'm also a Peach main but I think Falco definitely struggles with Fox the most, he's the only one that can beat Falco in close quarters.
>MacD got Linguini'd so hard he quit Melee
JUST
post WTFox fantasies
>>343472823
>not posting the rest of the convo
>Mang0 gets so assblasted he threatens to beat up leffen's legs or sum stupid shit
https://twitter.com/ssbmhax/status/748963199047852032
HEEE'SSSS BAAAAAACCCKKKKK
>>343476141
>"my hands might not be totally fucked"
>indication of his return
hes gone, and he'll never come back
>>343476141
Tendon pains one thing but he has no cartilage in his joints, he said it himself. The doctors ordered him to stop playing, he's effectively done.
>>343476291
>no cartilage in his joints
yeah, he is perma-done
>>343476141
>yfw Hax wins EVO and then his hands literally fall off as he's holding the trophy
https://twitter.com/SmashStudios1/status/749082630239428608
Zero is back as well, playing Falco of all characters.
>>343476443
i hope he comes back, i miss watching him get rekt
>>343469497
Learning MK fampai
>>343476443
He's playing melee at SSC in an event where you play every smash game. It's him mew2king, wizzy and esam entering.
>>343476443
im hyped
about time he drops that shit game, and maybe make an attempt to disrupt the the 5 gods
if it doesn't work out, he can go back to winning tr4sh tourney again
>>343476806
pick Acidic Alien
some1 host netplay
>>343476404
Why is_heso cute?
>>343476806
shieet only 700?
>>343477019
57dbb5dd
wheres the best place to get stickers for my controller?
Like a small one to put on the back, so I know which one is mine
How do people put marth over shiek?
Shiek is clearly the better character
>>343477520
"no"
>>343477520
simple, marth beats fox and sheik gets rekt
>>343477396
kill urself senpai
>>343477520
are you retarded?
>f-tilt into fair: The Character
vs.
>a character who has many more options at his disposal
Anyone wanna 120 fps netplay on 5.0? I got other version if ya don't have 5.0
>pp confirmed for EVO
BASED
So I know you practice stuff like SHFFLs and wavedashes and teching and whatnot by just going into training mode and doing it until it feels natural but what about actually working it into your game? How do I start building up the memory to make wavedashing and teching as natural as blocking and rolling is now (Used to being a Smash 4 online shitter so I do a little too much of both)?
>>343476291
>no cartilage in his joints
hahahahaha holy shit rest in peace Hax that's brutal
Are M2K's hands still falling off? They were last I checked but I haven't followed anybody much in the past year or so
>>343477771
fa6a78da
>>343477870
M2k's prolly at the same point I am, it CAN be painful but your hands loosen up after a bit of playing.
>>343477826
I hope he does well this time, that tourney where he lost to Silentwolf was painful to watch.
some nuked hugs highlights
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChnm-vJ3qKX7FcDERrYfjMQ
>>343477962
nah he'll probably lose to Hugs in like round 3 and then go on another 8 month hiatus
>>343476141
What the hell is PT?
>>343477826
>favorite god is some emotional fuckwit who seems to have some stranious anxiety issues or some shit
just move to cali and fuckin live a little
>i need to get on better meds and MRI scans
i think this guy is reading too deep into his Psychology courses and applying it to himself
dude needs to stay at Mango's for a month or something
he needs a change of scenery, tired of his mopey ass getting cucked by some "boogieman" disease he can't pin-point
>>343478002
based dude, the macd roast is a classic
>>343478163
Physical therapy I assume
Also unrelated but are Soku threads still a thing? I came here looking for them for the first time in forever but I was drawn in by the promise of Melee shitposting
>>343478002
>bitching about delayed finals
calm down, FGC tourney have to accomadate a crapload of games
this happens from time to time
unlike smash tourneys which only host 2 games and the rest are side tourneys at best
you guys need to chill, that CEO booing was some BM
i mean, we don't like the smash community that much because they run late all the fucking time, but don't forget the mad BO
but god damn, if yout finals are moved up, thats normally a good thing.
>>343477520
Marth has better matchups against fox, falco, puff, peach, and ICs
>>343477891
Just tell me the new room when ya got it
Is melee hell gay
>>343479117
2b295e8c
>>343479192
not working for me try this 6bb1266a
>>343479347
Not working for me either, i'm using regular dolphin 5.0 now too
>>343479147
Yes it's literally the worst community on the Internet
>>343479147
yes because you go there
>>343479540
did you put faster melee .8 on the new dolphin?
>melee
more like gaylee
64 is the superior game
>>343478002
>bitching about shit payouts
lmao, all the other games at EVO aren't cucked by the same Top 5 players
yeah we got tourney favs (SonicFox, Zero, Infiltration, KBR, etc...) but Melee's entire top player scene is cucked by the same 5 guys for the past 7 years.
>>343479954
that's what makes melee so good desu
upsets are incredibly rare, when a god loses it's fucking huge.
also demi-gods are on the come up, plup axe or westballz can take a major within the next couple years.
>>343479925
>ketchup on steak + bananas
>implying "Touch of death:Slower Marvel with 12 Nintendo characters" is good
>>343480059
i was talking about Leffen
PPMD hasn't gone to anything in the past 3 years due to some ghostly invisible stick deeply planted up his ass
>>343474860
They're completely different characters, why are you trying to dual main?
>>343474860
Mango is a drunk incapable of retaining any new muscle memory so he doesn't get stuck in habits between characters
Why is melee so full of degenerates?
Even Johnny "Smoke2Jointz" Kim calls his subs degenerates and has code words for the devil's lettuce on his stream.
>>343475129
M2k himself says Falco beats Marth 60/40
So you're wrong
tfw you live in one of the most inactive regions and have virtually no way to practice with other people
>>343480293
why even bother running tourneys?
They should just run tourneys so they can win the privilige to play the gods.
also
>plup axe or westballz
>winning a major
unless one of the gods dies from a random freak accident or disease, that aint happenin
>axe
lol wtf
>>343480665
netplay
>>343480665
PPMD got gud while being in bumfuck nowhere North Carlolina.
Leffen and Armada got gud while living in Sweden(Sweden is shit at melee besides them).
No Johns nigga.
>>343480743
if you hate melee so much why do you have any knowledge about the players that aren't even capable of winning majors?
>>343480829
no pc
maybe some day
>>343480842
True, I just don't wanna spend even more money on a CRT and/or a PC to just be able to practice better. I'd have to take long bus rides because I've no car. I'm sure I can do this stuff, I just don't know how worth it it is.
>>343475129
falco is played as an animation abuser that can lock out entire sequences of enemy frames. it is a skill matchup no matter who you go against...you either combo the shit out of whoever you go against or you dont really
>>343477826
That's far from confirmed lol
>>343474182
Plup is the 4th/5th place master
>>343481349
i was mostly just joking, although i think it's likely he goes.
he wasn't 100% ready for last EVO either but he went.
>>343480934
>why are you so educated on such matters?
>how do you expect me to win an argument if you actually know your shit?!
people can be FGC and still like melee you colossal gaylord
i was only laughing at Hugs' asspain towards payouts and how the only reason he is mad about this is because he will never hope to beat the gods, and how literally the entire top player scene is in the same boat
Post honest characters
>>343481081
Nigga sell your moviestation 4. Melee is literally better than anything on the netflix/weeb machine.
If you are poorfag, dolphin 5.0 came out. Unless you have a 1950's toaster it's not hard to run melee at 60fps on netplay nowadays. Just need a decent i3+a 750ti tier GPU.
>>343481542
>crouch cancel dsmash and press A to break out of strings man
>honest
>>343481081
no pc
you literally have yourself to blame
the PC is the answer to most problems in life, not even trolling
>>343481542
okay
>>343481586
I don't have a PC at all. I should probably look into it though, it should be useful in the future. The GameCube adapter for Wii U works on PCs as well, right?
>>343481542
>I mash the analog stick and A button to throw a 3 frame move Nair
>le wavedash and DownSmash/uptilt man
No fuck off.
Fuck Luigi.
Atleast play a cool floaty mid tier like Samus.
>>343481816
>>343481542
oops, pic related
>>343469497
haha you wrote bread instead of thread
ha
>>343481816
>The GameCube adapter for Wii U works on PCs as well, right?
yeah, I use a Mayflash adapter for netplay
>>343481929
Don't Talk To Me Or My Wife's Son Ever Again
>>343481916
>you get grabbed you die
I mean, don't get hit is a pretty honest motto?
>>343469497
>letting my thumb cooldown after a few days of practice
getting fast as fox takes more time grinding hand strength than I guess I expected.
>>343470968
Given Westballz I'd say shiek is probably at absolute best even if not bad for you. That or westballs is just completely terrible at the matchup.
>>343475129
I disagree, I think that if the Falco is actually skilled, he will know that lasers stuff most of Marth's approach options. If you're not shooting the gun, you're doing it wrong
>>343481542
Literally the only """honest""" characters in Melee are Marth, Cap, and Doc.
Prove me wrong, niggers.
>>343481970
Puff is pretty fair honestly. Bair is beatable and tons of characters can CC her approaches. If you get grabbed by puff you deserve to die. Her grab is complete ass.
>>343481916
ngl ics are probably the most honest top tier
>>343482049
We IC mains are honest because we get beaten by the most common characters, Sheik is like the one top tier we beat.
>>343482073
Sheik can be a nightmare for Falco it the sheik is good at tech chasing on reaction
>>343474390
>leffen knocks hbox into losers
>then gets knocked into losers by fucking duck or someone and loses the rematch
nothing will be funnier than this
>>343482191
>Her grab is complete ass.
But it's one of the best grabs in the game?
>>343482146
>Marth
lmao Marth is so fucking easy to play
Literally babby's first top tier character
Falco is more honest than that turd, he's like Fox except with fifty percent less tier whoring and one hundred percent more sick dumpster dair and side-B kills
>>343482398
Wanna know how I know you main Shiek?
>>343482398
>Auto cancel bair
>uptilt
>le laser and dair man
>le spotdodge shine
Falco is lame as fuck.
T. KJH
>>343472823
As an NEfag, the "stay in your lane" reference made me cum
>>343478002
What is the FGC supposed to do about small Melee payouts?
How long did it take you guys to git gud with Melee?
I'm going to university in September and apparently a lot of people play Melee, I have a friend who's taught me most of what I know about the comp game a year above me there already
I pretty much know the concepts and I can roughly do them independently of one another but I have a hard time using and working them into an actual game
Also people say reading patterns is a big part of it but it feels like I don't think far enough ahead for that (at least right now)
Should I just go into an empty FD map and practice skills like wavedashes and the like until I can get it right without even thinking and then start practicing against bots? Or something? I dunno
W>>343482398
>le sick dumpster dair and side b
holy shit you're a faggot probably get hyped for knees too huh?
>>343482725
install 20XX
>>343482725
Probably practice your movement in training mode on Battlefield or something. Practice combos on lvl 4/5/6 CPUs.
>>343482725
Define "good"?
Should I drop C FALC for Doc?
>>343482247
so honest just means most even MUs / mid tier? Playstyle-wise it seems most characters always have a crutch (shinespike/rest/wobble). The word honest would come across to me as not having to rely on any weird trumpcards.
>>343482849
Top 16 in a major tournament.
>>343482906
No Doc is bad. Atleast C Falcon doesn't auto lose to floaties and Sheik.
>>343482927
about a week
>>343482926
Nah, it was kind of a joke. Marios are probably throat honest by definition, they're just mid tier at best.
>>343482926
Who doesn't have a weird trumpcard, honestly?
Literally everyone has something that can be abused.
Also, no johns. If you get shinespiked/rested/wobbled, it's your own fault.
>>343482815
My PC is still running that sick 660 TI the only game I've had to run on it that takes any sort of effort in ages is Overwatch lmao
I tried emulating Melee and the framerate was sort of dodgy + I don't have an adapter, can I just run it on a Wii like Project M?
>>343482838
Will do, thanks Anon
>>343482849
Yeah this guy knows >>343482927
I've watched a lot of Leffen and Mang0 and I'm pretty sure I can hold my own against them with a little practice, I just need to work on dash dancing for those sick mind games and I'm good right?
In all seriousness though I just want to be able to at a bare minimum hold my own in local tournaments and stuff. Nothing crazy, just basic proficiency and then I can work on everything else after that.
>>343482927
It takes a year minimum(and thats if you are insanely talented and live in a good region) to make it outta pools at majors nowadays. Thats assuming you play everyday to and go full autismo over this game.
You can probably make it outta pools for a major in a year if you apply yourself but good luck getting top 16 in less than 2.5-3 years.
Fatgoku got top 64's in a year but thats the only outlier I know who can do it.
Melee is fucking hard. Prepare to live and breathe this game if you want serious improvement.
Discuss
>>343483162
>can I just run it on a Wii
Yeah but you need to homebrew unless you have 20xx TE memory card but fuck that you might as well homebrew and fuck around with the new tech monkey AI
>>343483162
>can I just run it on a Wii
ideally yeah using Dolphin to practice is 4 plebs
>>343479925
>game where everyone is too afraid to touch each other is better.
If I want to watch footsies I'll watch traditional fighting games.
>>343482725
I bought a gamecube for melee around 02-03, played a ton throughout the mlg era, always kept up to date on the latest tech and watched tournament videos when available, kept playing through the brawl era onward, even when the scene was dead I played against my brother and flatmates/etc at college, now i play a ton of netplay and still go to locals occasionally. Despite all that, I sometimes lose horribly against random kids who have played melee for less than a week.
>>343483162
A 660ti is plenty good enough to run Melee on dolphin. People run this shit on laptops nowadays.
Stop using a shit tier AMD CPU or clean up your PC nigga.
>>343483351
Trash
>>343483351
bad hitboxes and being stronger at the base of the sword basically punishes him for spacing
>>343483162
mate you just run it on your wii with nintendont, it's fucking monkey tier
the """hardest""" part is patching the iso but that barely takes any effort as well. I'd send you mine real quick but it's got a bunch of gay texture mods
Is Hugs the only in-shape smasher?
inb4 people posting unfed twinklets like Leffen
>>343483573
Swedish is p swole, I'm sure there are others.
Wow can you guys believe Melee has been out for 25 years? It's amazing how a game can hold up through two wars and still be played competitively.
>>343483573
Alex19 seems to be cutting a bit now even though he's still builtfat mode.
>>343483573
Aren't Chillin and Alex19 pretty buff?
>>343483127
I'm not complaining about abuse. I'm talking about the word "honesty" in that yes if things can be abused what's the point bringing up the word.
Discuss.
>>343483460
Consistency is a bitch. Also melee is mostly mental.
>>343484242
broken shield and can't L-Cancel half his aerials.
>>343483573
ice
>>343483351I love using him in friendlies, or when I'm with friends. The added challenge makes it more fun for me
>>343484242
Probably the only decent low tier since Qerb gets results with him.
Great Hitboxes
Good grab game
Good normals
Too bad his defensive game is ass and his shield is so horrible.
>>343484292
thanks smashwiki.
>>343484372
He looks cool and is a pretty fast character, which is good, but his lack of edgeguarding makes him less fun for me.
>>343483403
Yeah I'd rather not have to get stuck with a PS3 controller, it works for games that were designed for it like DMC3 and God Hand but when I briefly tried to play Melee with it the results were not pretty. Shit's just weird
>>343483489
I have an i5 :(
tbf it's been a while since I did it so maybe at 5.0 it's a lot more optimized or I won't fuck up the settings as much or both but it wasn't really consistent so I dunno
>>343483376
>>343483568
>homebrew
ugh
I share the thing with my family so I only have it until then anyway but I might as well try it I guess. Or I'm probably just gonna buy a cheap 40 dollar one either way. Metroid Prime Trilogy ain't gonna play itself while I'm away
>>343484281
>Also melee is mostly mental
lmao I'm fucked
Alright you niggers, what are your thoughts on WTFox? Any predictions? Hopes?I'm hoping this is pic related's time to shine
>>343483573
>at ceo
>alex19 and Hugo are both under 5 7
I was laffin
>>343484832
this, Hugo is a super manlet
and Leffen is fuck-tall, he is one lankey looking fuck
>>343484781
Run Melee in DirectX mode. Don't try to run the game at internal res of 4k on OpenGL bruh.
>>343484242
Could've been high tier ;_;7
>>343484831
If Weston is going to win it all it def won't happen now. The moment he goes toe to toe with any top player patient enough he just loses.
I love him but it just doesn't work out in the grand scheme of things.
how come only like 5 or 6 people are actually good at this game
>>343484925
>Leffen is fuck-tall
he's 6'3" iirc
that's not that tall
>>343485482
less honestly, armada's the only good smasher.
fatbox just spams back-air all day and causes people to choke due to his overwhelming alpha presence.
>hugs being cucked by another ICs
JUST
>Melee
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey
>>343486296
FGC niggers can keep playing their animu games and 8 frame wifi warrior game.
>>343486085
why is he even ranked 20? he was ranked higher than wizzy and wizzy has been in top 8s all over the place
>>343486296
It makes me sad because right now the Smash community is really truly god-awful
Never forget that Guilty Gear fans got shut out of their game at EVO because Melee bitches wouldn't give up their seats for a game they didn't even care about then started booing and yelling because they wanted to watch Smash instead
It's like everyone forgot when Melee wasn't even at EVO much less drawing enormous crowds and stream views
>>343486296
Jebailey is one of the best TOs in the business I wish he ran Evo
>>343486579
i have no idea. hugs is barely top 40 these days.
he's lost to faceroll, smash god, army, dizzkid, squid and luigikid within the past 3 months.
>>343470968
>way more of a glass cannon than fox (who barely counts as one)
>hugely mu knowledge dependent against floaties
>combo DI at an all-time high
>not even upB startup hitbox to save him from being the easiest gimp in the game
people say westballz is an inconsistent player but falco vs any floaty is literally just a matchup of consistency
Should I even bother watching WTFox when it's just gonna be another
>1. Armada
>2. Hbox
>3. Mang0
fucking meme shit tournament?
in the end, it's all talk.
Wasn't this basically just mac d/leffen
>>343486997
Should I even bother watching EVO when it's just gonna be another
>1. Armada
>2. Hbox
>3. Leffen
fucking meme shit tournament?
>>343487185
>MacD
>top player
loving every laugh
>>343487185
"I think I've lost all respect for a majority of top Melee players. Rest of the community has my support but some need an entitlement check."
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749098932890771457
example of what he's referencing https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749104152026836993
>>343472312
Nah. Marth's the OP one at low levels because people don't know how to space and DI
>>343487185
Are there people actually siding with this faggot?
>Bo3 till winners finals
>No Doubles
CEO next year will be complete trash
>>343487485
Well it isn't a Smash event, and you can always run Melee doubles as a side stream. Evo is pretty much the same way.
>>343487335
So do we know who wrote him the message?
I used to work on my Samus play but I don't even play this shit anymore.
I mean, it was fun and all dropping Fox players with a mid-speed character but I don't care now.
>>343487485
No way either of those things will happen.
Just put melee on the final day and make only top 8 best of 3. Sm4sh finals literally took 4 hours, that'll never happen in melee unless we're talking about 5-game timeouts.
>>343487658
>comparing CEO to EVO
>>343487912
They're both major FGC events, Evo just happens to be the biggest one? How is there not a comparison?
>>343487912
the thing is, CEO is not even necessarily gonna be one of the biggest melee tournaments this year, while it's a capcom pro tour event for SFV.
it's time to just expect less from it and be grateful it's there at all.
>>343487985
Well much more people for starters.
Space bing more necessary for evo.
people generally not liking smash in fgc in various online communities like r/kappa,etc.
Better to keep our heads down.
>>343487250
God damn I hate that meleefags treat EVO as if its their superbowl when it has bo3 in top 8
>>343480523
I'm not trying to dual main I was just saying that Falco is difficult to play without any practice compared to like Fox or Falcon in my opinion.
>>343488290
It's just that it's the biggest, plain and simple. Hard to argue with that.
>>343470968
A lot of falco players took the faggot route and tried to turn him into a camp master. Approaching evolving situations in the same ways. Falco has almost nearly as much unlimited potential as fox yet I don't see people exploiting his frame data and excellent options nearly as much.
In reality only Westballz and a handful of others really push his meta game at all.
>>343475129
Falco has decent tools to deal with Marth. Primarily his laser but even then he can get in imo a lot easier than Captain Falcon.
And like Captain falcon, once he gets in, he fucks Marths. Lasers really do help a huge deal though.
>>343476141
Heil Haxler
>>343487335
No Jebailey can go fuck himself on this one. That's totally reasonable and correct.
You don't completely gut a game or community making up half of your entrants because YOU as the TO can't accommodate the setups and expect them to just take it on the chin.
Jebailey is usually a decent guy and knows what he's doing, but this is embarrassing. Expecting the Smash community to be totally okie dokie with this is fucking retarded.
>>343486296
>leffen starts a conversation about payouts and shit with armada
>armada halfassedly agrees with him just to shut him up
>he immediately starts threatening tos over twitter thinking hes speaking for both of them
top lef
Haven't been able to practice by myself lately since I don't own the game or a cube, but at weeklies I've been trying to incorporate everything into my game. Just a couple weeks ago it became natural for me to wavedash around, and now I'm trying to remember to L cancel. Since I main sheik I'm also trying to remember to do the pummels with a buffer into downthrow. Took a top falcon player in my region to last stock by doing this and I was pretty proud of myself.
>>343486296
They're right in the long run but whoever wrote that message doesn't know respect what the fuck man. I can already tell it's either MacD or Reno, they've got such shitty attitudes sometimes.
>>343489371
Leffen is right about the payouts though. Why should 5th place at a major for any game get only 100 bucks?
>>343488290
you mean fgcfags?
big house and genesis are the true melee supermajors
>>343470968
because there's only like 6 good players out there. and even they aren't on their a-game all the time.
Speaking of which, why isn't Leffen going to any tourneys anymore?
>>343491018
he's scared of the ballz
Actual question to you guys, who do you consider the worst character who could win a national?
>>343472556
Did anyone else in the scene make any funny remarks on it?
>he hasn't ordered a hungrybox t-shirt yet
What's your excuse /v/?
>>343491018
terrorism watch list or something, hard to get a US visa from muslim countries
>>343476443
Why do people keep blocking me?I don't remember what I did to them.
>>343491018
Cause he's a bitch made fuccboi.
>>343491315
Unfortunately the answer isn't very interesting.
Take the players that are capable of winning one and you have
>Mang0
>hbox
>old m2k
>armada
>leffen
>old ppmd
Now pick the worst of their mains. So probably Jigglypuff.
>>343491601
You're probably a filthy gamergater and got autoblocked
>>343491729
i think it's realistically sheik,especially with plup on the rise.
if he gets a bracket that dodges hbox he could do it.
>>343491315
Ice Climbers with a lucky bracket. And they'd have to be playing out of their minds.
>>343491729
Nah it'd be mario. Mang0's Scorp has come close to talking sets off of all the gods on most characters. It's not likely but it's possible.
>>343491838
So Smashstudios is some feminist cuck shit run by Toph or something?
Haven't heard the term gamergate in a while, are they still a thing?
>>343492006
you can't be serious. falcon has a better shot for fuck's sake
>>343492006
When was the last time he even user mario? I doubt his mario could take a set off another god realistically. What I wonder is if his puff or even his falcon could.
>>343491874
Sheik is better than Jigglypuff though, and a "bracket that dodges hbox" is impossible since it'd have to somehow not include grand finals.
>>343492191
In Iron man against armada, and it took 4 stocks trading stock for stock with Armada's peach.
I'm not saying it's likely at all but it's the worst character that could technically go the distance.
How much would a top 100 player make? I don't imagine it would be alot for the amount of effort
>>343492339
basically nothing maybe 2-3k/year at the absolute most and that's even probably way over-estimating
>>343492331
Interesting, wonder if a mario like wobbles, a rookie, or koopatroopa could do that. Maybe mango is just some mario god.
>>343492339
with streaming/subs and a fun personality you could make a decent cent.
>>343492265
hungryfat could lose to leffen, armada or mang0 beforehand and lose to one of the remaining ones in loser's afterwards.
he's not untouchable for fuck's sake.
So did the White House respond to Leffen yet?
>>343492339
I'm sure if you're anywhere from 31-100 you're not making enough on melee to even support your own degeneracy.
Winning locals all the time means shit unless you're in a stacked region like SoCal or Florida
>>343492745
>>343492507
That's what I thought
I just wonder how they support themselves
Does leffen just live with his parents?
>>343482146
>>343481542
Ganondorf is a pretty honest character if you ask me. A pubstomper, maybe, but his gameplan is very straightforward and simple.
>>343491018
He was scared of getting shot in Orlando no joke I think the next tourney attends will be EVO
He got 2 year extension on his VISA too which was previously set to expire at the end of August this year or something
>>343493110
>when the uair just right
>>343493053
Not sure how Leffen relates to this convo, he's a Top 1 player
>>343493110
>>343493241
Too bad he has the literal worst player base of any character in the game.
>>343493354
I just mean even a top one player probably doesn't make that comfortable of a living
Hbox is probably the wealthiest just from being an engineer
>>343493363
I don't think so.
ICs players have no soul.
Peach players are gay, fat, weeaboos, girls, or literally all together.
Capt. Falcon are mostly super salty tryhards.
Spacies come in all shapes and colors.
Marth is ok.
I'd say now that the "bizzaro waveland dair spam" style is literally useless nowadays his playerbase has become more balanced.
>>343493182
If he really is scared of that he's even stupider than I thought.
He's neither gay nor going to a gay nightclub, he probably just was too afraid to lose.
>>343482906
former falcon and doc main here. Been training up just my falcon lately and I literally get better results with G&W than doc at this point.
Don't fall for the doc meme. He's good but people know how to beat him.
>>343493620
with just a couple hundred subs he's at least going to be able to survive, I think he has at least 300.
>>343484740
>Lack of edgeguards
Roy can edgeguard, you just have to abuse his neutral B, use late nairs, wavedash into dtilt, slip onto the ledge quickly, dair spike off of edgegrab, and know how to go out in a way where you can still recover.
>>343493863
I love the game but my point is it seems like it is an awful lot of work and dedication just to make a teachers salary
According to the Gregorian calendar, the year is 2016, but any smash fan knows that the year 20xx is upon us. As the day of the largest Smash tournament ever dawns, the Melee metagame is now the result of 14 years of development. Over the last decade and a half, dedicated Smashers have fostered the development of the beloved party game from a silly, unconventional fighter into an art form. Nintendo's all-star cast is precisely controlled to gracefully move around each other as if locked in a dance, then exploiting the first possible opening to blitz their opposition and carry them across the stage to the blastzone. Smash allows and requires the player to improvise a composition of inputs at every opportunity if they want to push their gameplay to its maximum potential. As Prog would say, Smash is like jazz.
To no one's surprise Zero wins Smash 4 without losing a set. The less than courteous Twitch chat thanks him for the swift and merciless 3-0 against Nairo while the impatient EVO crowd begins the chant that echoes throughout the venue. ME-LEE. ME-LEE. ME-LEE.
>>343487485
I was at CEO this year and the year before.
This year it was ASS for Smash. Last year was like 20 times better.
CEO has reached a point where it can't no longer containing the ever expanding mass that is the smash community. Jebaily NEEDS a bigger venue.
>>343482906
Doc is the overrated character in the game, stick with falcon. He isn't terrible but if younhave a falcon there is no reason to go to a inferior character.
>>343472823
>leffen suddenly cares about the community
lmfao fuck this guy
>>343494445
Those Melee auteurs who were skilled and fortunate enough to make top 8 complete their respective pre-tournament rituals and begin to assemble.
Melee top 8 appears very strange indeed, as several of the usual suspects are absent from the bracket. The enigmatic PPMD's location is completely unknown, no one in the Smash community having heard from him in several weeks. Hungrybox was unable to attend due to having been enslaved by Nintendo after being defeated by a thirsty and well-trained Reggie Fils-Aime's Ryu Amiibo, the experimental sentient technology proving more capable than man and bringing us one step closer to the singularity. Tragically, Armada was eaten by a polar bear in his home country of Sweden three days before the event.
Due to the absence of three of the "Melee Gods," an intrepid Hax$ finally finds himself in top 8. As Aziz moves his cursor to Fox, an already smirking Leffen takes the seat next to the former best Falcon in the world. The first game is nothing short of a tragedy, with all four of Hax's stocks being lost to the abyss below Battlefield in little over a minute. "I can see why you switched mains." Leffen’s quip drips with condescension. The scant 32% he was able to inflict on Hjelte's lone stock at the front of his mind, Hax decides that he has nothing to lose by listening to the now desperate chants of the crowd. He switches to Captain Falcon and takes Leffen back to Battlefield.
As the pink Falcon quickly loses his first stock to a precise Shine spike, Hax refuses to lose his composure. He answers back with some of the smoothest movement and ledge play that the star TSM player has ever seen. The progenitor of the idea of 20xx would now appear to actively defy the notion, as his fabulous Falcon negotiates his way to a last stock situation, cleanly ending the game with an up-air semispike. "This game's winner is... Captain Falcon!
>>343494359
yeah well every player that isn't a god or right outside that level either lives at home or has a part-time/full-time job.
i mean i would guess they'd all do melee full-time if they could (who wouldn't?) but the money's not there
>>343494579
The announcer sounds almost relieved, and it takes Hax Money a few moments to even process what he's just accomplished. Leffen takes his adversary to Dreamland after a quick silent john as he takes his controller out of and back into the port. However, it would appear to the entire crowd that everybody's favorite Falcon was back, as Hax ends the game with a stylish Raptor Boost to Knee of Justice to moonwalk turnaround Falcon Punch in a decisive two-stock.
"I guess the year is 20GX," Hax says in that smooth voice of his as he turns to face the sixth god. However, his amusement is short lived as Leffen replies to his snide comment with a primal scream. Refusing to lose to Aziz's neglected Falcon, the slender Swede's body begins to contort as he reveals his true nature. The hulking, horned, blood-red mass of twisted flesh that emerges makes clear TSM Leffen's origin as a demon from the pits of hell. As Hax gazes into the deep, shark-like eyes of the horrible fiend before him, Leffen extends a tendril in his agape mouth, rending his soul from his body. He then proceeds to close out the 3-2 against the now withered husk.
The young Kevin "PewPewU" Toy is unable to stymie Leffen's sweep through Melee top 8, as one look into the eyes of the antichrist renders the promising Marth main helpless as his life force is drained away. The emotionally defeated crowd has fallen silent as the satanic monster tosses PewPewU from the stage after a quick 3-0. Jason Zimmerman begins to regret his decision to pursue EVO 2015 as he takes the stage. Leffen gazes upon Mew2King as he takes his seat, but to his horror he makes a discovery upon staring into the smash zealot's eyes. This robot has no soul.
>>343494359
>playing for the money
don't fucking bother. hbox is top top and still has a real job to live well. You're not even going to be close.
>>343494445
smash 4 has more entrants because it's easier to get into. melee is much much harder to get into, and the fact that it has that many entrants just shows how good of a game it truly is.
Melee is like fucking baseball at this point. People are just going to play it because there's nothing else like it.
>>343494668
I never said I wanted too
In fact my point was the exact opposite
>>343494667
The beast's shocked facade quickly turns to a snide grin, as he dismisses Mew2King as a worthy opponent considering his recent results and reputation. Leffen rationalizes that he would rather have a little fun than completely destroy another helpless victim anyway. As the match begins on Dreamland, the king of the Mews visibly struggles to get his footing, his few frantic attempts at edgeguarding the crafty Fox with his Sheik doing little to postpone the quick 3-stock. The master of diversity nervously rocks back and forth as he stares at the character select screen for a few moments before switching characters to the warrior prince Marth. Mew2King's performance on Final Destination is nothing less than inspirational, the crowd's emphatic chants of "AYY" and "MEW-TWO-KING" punctuating the scene of the stylish swordsman swiftly sending Satan’s Starfox to the blastzone by effortlessly tossing the space dog across the stage before sending him reeling into the never with a brutal dair dumpster. The visibly enraged Leffen is now unable to deal with this calculated machine as the smash prodigy’s Marth is like a shark under the platforms of Battlefield, ready at every opportunity to send the leader of Star Fox to his death. Jason is pleased with the 3-stock.
Riding the wave of hype created by the crowd into game 4, Mew2King challenges the demon's Fox with his own. The dulcet tones of "HYAAH" and "TAINT" from the space animals as well as the pew-pew's of their lasers and shines pepper the chaotic dog fight as the crowd experiences in awe the highest level melee any mortal has ever been capable of. As "MEESHUN COMPLEE" reverberates through the casino, Jason takes a few seconds to fully appreciate his performance which has defeated the minion of hell before him. Leffen throws his controller to the ground. It shatters into a pack of snakes which then slither away.
>>343494797
However, he turns to Mew2King and realizes that the duodecuple shine which broke his shield and secured the robot the stock has caused Jason's hands to finally disintegrate. Knowing that Mango is unable to challenge him in Loser's Finals due to having been sent to jail for drunkenly stealing the cupcakes from Zero's celebration party, Leffen realizes that regardless he is assured the EVO trophy.
However, the malevolent fiend is unaware that Hungrybox has managed to escape Nintendo headquarters, having found Reggie's secret horde of Pizza Hut pizzas and used them to grease up his wrists, allowing him to free himself from the shackles which bound him to the CEO's desk. His bail having been posted by the Jigglypuff main's vast engineering wealth, Mango enters the venue with Hungrybox on a chariot pulled by a flock of bald eagles. “Lmao nice shirt” he says as he takes his seat next to Leffen as Loser’s Finals begins. Mango’s intense training becomes apparent as his Fox cleanly 8-stocks Leffen’s over the course of two games spanning Stadium and Mangoland.
>>343494887
Unfortunately for The Kid, as his buzz begins to wear off, he begins to find himself pushed to the limit by the salty Swede. Drawing closer to full sobriety, The Goat finds himself 2-2 and on the receiving end of a 3-stock. He begins to sweat as Hungrybox approaches him. The two share a knowing nod before their beards intertwine, each god grasping one end of the Gamecube controller as the character select cursor moves to princess Jigglypuff. Four quick rests later and Leffen bursts into flames as he returns to the depths of hell.
The newly formed Jigglypuff hivemind turn their gaze to Mew2King as he dejectedly displays the smoking stumps which used to be the hands that took him to the top of the Melee metagame. Suddenly, the doors to the room burst open as Armada floats onto the stage, clad in the flayed hide of the Swedish polar bear Leffen had trained to destroy him. “You Americans don’t have anything on Swedish health care,” he says as he sheds a single tear into Mew2King’s wrist which causes him to rapidly regenerate a new pair of hands. The two execute a frame-perfect glasses adjustment, their minds melding to become one as they sit down to meet their challenger in Grand Finals. Armew2kingda and Mangobox proceed to exchange games until they arrive at game 5. However, just as the last stock is drawing to a close, Leffen executes his last act of defiance in the mortal realm, unleashing his familiar, MacD, to unplug the cable, ending the game before the last stock is taken.
>>343494797
>Mew2king's fox
>good
top kek nice meme m8.
>>343483351
his few strengths is completely overshadowed by his huge flaws. Absolutely atrocious sour spots on almost all his moves, you literally get punished for spacing with him
sometimes i wonder why hugs doesnt have a sponsor, then i look back at this year and wonder how he even made top 30
>>343496949
Hugs is sponsored though homie. Dreamteam.
>>343497062
sometimes i wonder why hugs team hasnt dropped him, then i look back at this year and wonder how he even got sponsored
better?
What is with the current trend of the smash community where they are given an inch and they try and take a mile? First 2 years of Evo, Melee community was stoked for the opportunity. 3rd year, they were waiting to see if they would get dropped for Sm4sh or not, but most of the major competitors were fine with either outcome. Now smashers are just calling Evo trash now?
https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/748909864584417280
https://twitter.com/MacDsmash/status/748916243420155904
https://twitter.com/MacDsmash/status/748917125494951936
