>MGS 4 was shit
>Peace Walker was shit
>Lords of Shadow was shit
>MGS V was shit
>Death Stranding will be ____
They're better than anything Kamiya and Todd shit out.
MGS4 was great you fat cunt
>>343397663
>pick the shittiest of the ones mentioned
nice damage control anyway konami
>>343397835
MGSV was the shittiest you fucking retard cunt
>>343397663
no, but V sure was
4 had the best mechanics and was the most fun to play.
I don't want to fuck around holding 15 buttons at once just to sneak in the grass in 3.
>>343397929
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
>>343397952
4 was a fucking movie.
V took what was good from 4 and made an actual game of it
>>343396619
kino.
>any of those games
>shit
You are so spoiled for quality god damn.
All those games are at LEAST good.
>>343397952
4 is the most frustrating because it easily has the best controls and the best mechanics but then went out of its way to never let you enjoy them
>>343396619
my most hated guy in the videogame industry.
pretentious, edgy like a 15 yo.
and his fanboys are even worse
>he's a genius omg
>>343399262
mgs4 was like a trash movie done bad. cringy af, full of stereotypes and japanese anime bullshit
>>343397663
KEK, have my elite truthbombs struck a nerve?
>>343399262
nah, there shit. ur mum is shit too. lel
>MGS 4 was shit
In your dreams PC fag.
>>343396619
>MGS 4 was shit
this is true
>Peace Walker was shit
i bet you struggled with pupa
>Lords of Shadow was shit
didnt play it
>MGS V was shit
Nope.
>Death Stranding will be ____
im actually expecting pretty nice, but a lot less interactive than we would like
>>343396619
If you smell shit everywhere you go, you might want to check your shoe.
>>343398130
Ah, gotta love the ADD kiddy crowd. Any game with more than 5 cutscenes, any of which are longer than 30 seconds is a movie. This shit is always hilarious.
>>343396619
>Lords of Shadow was shit
That's not true, though.
>>343396619
Lords of Shadow was Kojima Productions, but IIRC he didn't actually work on it at all.
>>343403130
>literally defending 30 minute long infodumps
4 was a movie
>>343396619
Why are people excited for his next game when he hasn't made a great game in ten years?
His games make great trailers, but damn the games are terrible
>>343403130
There is also the fact that a lot of the cutscenes were fucking retard and the gameplay for half the acts was shit.
>Lords of Shadow was shit
Not his game
>MGS V was shit
Wrong
>>343403219
But it literally isn't a movie. A movie is something you watch and don't interact with. Now, it's been a number of years since I played 4, but I have some pretty strong memories of gameplay in that game.
>>343398130
>V took what was good from 4 and made Peace Walked on console, grinding and repetitive shit intact
FTFYMMYDEHTTM
>>343403219
No. Movies are edited to be tight because of the expected time limit.
You are insulting movies by comparing them to cutscenes where every character stands around repeating the same thing for 30 minutes like they are all special ed.
>>343403264
>gameplay for half the acts was shit
Uh, aside from act 3 where you just tail a guy for the first half and the last quarter is a rail shooter, the gameplay is the same across the entire game. And that gameplay was quite good. There's a reason it was considered the best to play until V came out.
>>343403414
act 4 sucked, as did act 5
act 1 and 2 were okay, but nothing impressive
>>343398130
>took stuff from 4
It feels nothing even remotely close to 4.
>>343398130
>what was good from 4
and what was this, because I remember 4 being a horrible turd of a """game"""
>>343403587
probably how it handled and weapon variety,
I dn, what else from 4 was actually acceptable? I cant think of anything. The graphics?
>>343403827
Weapon variety sucked ass in V compared to 4 and it had that shitty weapon limit
the controls were also worse in V than 4
>>343396619
sick
>>343403484
>act 4 sucked
10/10, would die laughing again
>>343404132
yeah running away from arm robots in a map not designed for over the shoulder camera control was great fun
released in 6 years
>>343402949
>>343397663
>>343397952
That damage control.
>>343396619
What the hell is Lords of Shadow? Hack done anything besides mgs?
hackjima hasn't done anything worth shit since mgs3. He should have been put down after that.
>>343404483
The game that ruined Castlevania
>>343403905
I guess V sucked ass. Shame really.
>Op is shit
>>343396619
>Peace Walker was shit
This hurts me. Peace Walker wasn't shit at all.
>>343396619
His whole career is massive shitfest and paid reviews
>>343405379
It was complete garbage
>>343405379
it literally was
>>343396619
>>MGS 4 was shit
Gameplay segments were great except for act 3. Act 4 would have been better with human guards but it was still pretty good. Great boss fights. As bullshit as the story was, the fight with Liquid Ocelot made it all worth it. Didn't even mind Big Boss and his 1's and 0's and shit.
>>Peace Walker was shit
One of my favorite MGS games desu.
>>Lords of Shadow was shit
I loved the first one, got bored af with the sequel. I think at this point I've played every Castlevania title except for Legends and Kid Dracula. Lords of Shadow was as good a step for Castlevania in 3D as any. Kojima also didn't have much to do with this desu.
>>MGS V was shit
Best gameplay in the series. Story was pretty bad and clearly the game feels like its missing something after Chapter 1. Almost like it was a carefully designed and executed meta game designed to make us feel.... a Phantom Pain. Bravo Kojimbo's done it again.
>>Death Stranding will be ____
No idea but I'm willing to shell out $100 for the collector's edition just based on that trailer.
Kojima can do no wrong.
>>343405518
>>343405562
Fuck you it was good, especially for a handheld game. There was a ton of things to do in game, it pushed the story forward without 4 hours of droning cutscenes and has more replayability than any MGS game that came before it.
>>343405802
>No idea but I'm willing to shell out $100 for the collector's edition just based on that trailer.
>Kojima can do no wrong.
You're either mentally challenged or hackjima-kun. In any case, kill yourself.
>>343396619
>he posted it again
>>343405821
It's shit mate
>>343405896
I disagree. State your case though.
>>343405970
>gets called a retard
>THAT'S NUTHING. I ALSO SUPPORT TRUMP.
Holy fuck.
>>343396619
Where we find out the JS theory was right all along and Snow is in fact the true heir to the throne.
>>MGSV was shit
A BLOO BLOO BLOO
KOJIMA MADE A METAL GEAR GAME FOR ONCE AND NOT MOVIE GEAR
A BLOO BLOO BLOO
MGS 4 and Lords of Shadows were both great. PW is shit though and I had no desire to play PW 2.0 so I don't feel right saying it's shit.
>>343396619
We had this exact same thread a week ago. Can you please stop posting exact same topic every week? PW was very good
>>343406117
the gameplay sucked too
>29 posters
>59 replies
>posting same thread twice everyday
How jealous are you of Kojima's success, autism-kun? :^)
>>343406165
No, it wasn't.
>>343406193
>literally the best gameplay in a stealth game to date
youre gonna have to try harder than that
>>343406117
It's only "not a movie" because the plot is hacked together in the last minute.
All of the gameplay is just a shittier skyrim or farcry 3, and those games are already quite shitty so that's saying a lot.
>>343406321
>>literally the best gameplay in a stealth game to date
Was this your first stealth game? Fucking Thief is better and that's 16 years old
>>343406321
let me just take out my tranq sniper rifle and call in infinite ammo from the sky.
>>343406051
>he doesn't support trump
>>343406461
I'm 6'2" and with Hillary
>>343406421
>he doesn't start every mission with the default set-up
Back to Re[system thinks my post is spam]ddit with you.
>>343406413
You too, with your shitty meme game.
>>343406321
>can sprint through the level just fultoning and tranqing people
>"stealth"
It's about as stealthy as the modern thief reboot.
Exclusive to Sony Playstation 4
Available in 4k on Sony Playstation Neo
Also available on Playstation VR
A registered trademark of Sony Computer Entertainment of America*
*Not coming to the Personal Computer platform
>>343406528
Just make sure she's not wearing heels and you won't look too short
>>343406619
>>he doesn't start every mission with the default set-up
Why would you do that, it's like ignoring half the fucking game.
>>343406723
Confirmed for never playing MGS, probably too casual to even beat 3 since you can't make loadouts that are designed to make the game easier.
>>343406879
what
>>343406960
If you actually unironically need to use a tranq sniper then you've probably never beaten a MGS game before V.
>>343406879
>Disregard features and facets of the game
>call the game good
Ok, I get it now, you played some sort of other MGS5 in your imagination land with some sort of madeup ruleset that nobody except you envisioned.
Well sorry friend, but your headcanon doesn't mean shit here, and in the real world, played the way koijima himself designed it to be played, mgs5 sucked ass.
>>343407064
Are you okay anon?
>>343396619
It will be.....
Simply... Epic.
>MGSV is bad meme
Sure the story was disappointing, but the gameplay was by far the best in the series. It was fun as hell just dicking around the bases in free roam.
>>343407129
I bet you play other games on easy since easy mode is a feature and facet of pretty much every game now.
>>343401468
wow was it you first mgs? that shit's in all of them
>>343407129
>played the way koijima himself designed it to be played
He designed it around letting the player play in whatever fucking way they feel like.
>>343407537
and it fucking sucked
>>343405995
shit bosses, shit level design, shit controls even on console, managing base is a boring chore, real mgs fans liked the cutscenes even if 4 was a little much,
>>343407385
No I play all my games with 9 inch nails through the palms of my hands to induce an arbitrary handicap, and based on this headcanon metric I know for a fact superman 64 is the hardest and best video game of all time.
>>343396619
>>MGS 4 was shit
You could skip the cutscenes if you were really that impatient
>>343407537
You're pretty much forced to play it as a stealth game, all the "tools" at your disposal that "allow you to play it whatever fucking way" are just minor variations that barely impact anything.
>>343406117
it was good gameplay with no good levels or bosses to utilize it
>>343407384
It also overstays it welcome after it makes you do a simple mission in the same map over and over.
They needed subsistence and extreme missions right from the start so you couldn't tranq retards in the head from 2 feet away for the first 30+ missions.
>>343407798
The gameplay was terrible too, and there was a total of maybe 10 hours of actual gameplay in that game.
>>343407872
This
It was polished, but that doesn't mean shit if there isn't anything fun to do.
>>343407927
That's an exaggeration. You could beat it in 6 hours
>>343397663
Kill yourself
>>343407927
>>343407927
>>>343407798 (You)
>The gameplay was terrible too
>much more refined controls than the previous MGS games
>lots of varied set pieces
Objectively wrong
>>343403130
Any game with over 10% cutscenes/text/non-gameplay elements, can not be classified as a videogame.
Hence stuff like Uncharted 4 and Planescape are not actually videogames.
>>343407927
act 1 of mgs4 is probably my favorite gameplay section of a time. the levels are great. slowly sneaking through the battlefield kicked ass and snakes moveset was tacticool af. mgsv actually felt stripped down in that regard
>>343408052
If you're going to compare it's gameplay to that of gameplay from other games with shit gameplay no wonder it's going to look favorably.
Meanwhile I can compare it to bland trash and make it look bad.
Even something mediocre like farcry 2 had better gameplay than mgs5.
MGS never sold on gameplay, it sold on story, and MGS5 has MGS's notoriously bad gameplay with no story.
>>343408259
that b8 is weak m8
>>343407783
>play a stealth game
>equip a tranq sniper and manually remove all the stealth elements
>fulton everybody so they're totally eliminated
>bonus points if you have D-Dog or Quiet helping you out
>"LOL THIS GAMEPLAY IS SHIT DUDE TERRIBLE STEALTH"
>>343408263
Yeah, it's good in parts, but once again it had too many cutscenes. You literally walk five metres after having the introductory cutscene before you trigger another one.
>>343408052
MGS4 has "more refined controls" and fuck all to do with them
majority of acts 1/2 is walking down a linear hallway and watching PMC/rebels fight eachother instead of you
act 3 involves you following the most annoying escort in the world on a winding path through a giant city with nothing in it because it was cut content, then there's a really awful rail shooter
act 4 is just DUDE MGS1 LMAO and you shooting robots from the other side of the screen where they can't do anything, then the railgun vs geckos and metal gear parts which are basically interactive cutscenes
act 5 has literally one room with sneaking and the rest of it is cutscenes, boss fights and one hallway where you just shoot lots of the little ball robots.
the controls are """better""" but theres nothing to do with them most of the time because it keeps forces you into random shit gimmicks and whenever it doesn't you have so many ways to completely avoid sneaking by using mark 2/otacamo/unlimited tranq weapons from drebin
>>343408350
the options are there and that's enough to warrant criticism
you could play Wolfenstein TNO as a stealth game if you really wanted to as well, but no one rates it on that basis alone. Same with Splinter Cell Blacklist
>>343408350
If MGS5 had actual level design like previous games you wouldn't have to avoid doing things like this to actually be stealthy because every single mission wouldn't be "go to this random enemy base in the desert and fulton something", which lets you just headshot all the guards with a sniper from a distance because instead you'd be in some sort of facility/jungle/other area that limits your field of view
>>343408350
>you shouldn't play the way you want
at least he isn't going cod
>>343408350
>game is jampacked with casual bullshit and poorly thought out mechanics that make the game a breeze
>"hurr well I didn't use any of the game's mechanics or gameplay so I enjoyed it"
Should have just bought a box, wrote MGS5 on the side of it, and sat in it pretending you're playing a better gameoh wait that's exactly what you did
>>343401346
well if the industry wasn't so shit and developers actually made good and interesting games instead of "zero risk corporate suit game #2258" people wouldn't praise him so much.
>>343396619
>>>Lords of Shadow was shit
aw naw, u didn't son
>>343408696
The levels aren't conducive to using the stealth mechanics. Compare The Phantom Pain to Ground Zeroes.
>MGSV, the game with literally the best stealth gameplay this earth has seen is shit
kys
>>343408730
The problem with koijima is he's the opposite end of the spectrum, the "my video games are art" pretentious faggot who has no interest in making a good game, and only wants to make his "creative vision" regardless of anyone else's input. Just substitute corporate money for individual ego.
4 would've been good if it didn't have so many cutscenes or the whole europe section. That game was absurd
>>343408696
you're the one that deprived yourself of the gameplay mechanics
>poorly thought out mechanics
exactly. They're shit and the game is shit
>>343408730
yeah pretty much any game that isn't a generic carbon copy gets attention just for being different
>>343408350
True. The game is almost challenging if you use no weapons or companions at all.
Problem is the AI is retarded. It is still pretty easy to throw a magazine, sprint at a person when they turn around, and punch then in the face while they are completely deaf to your footsteps.
Other problem is older MGS games are better if that is what you are going to do. All the retarded gadgets are the only things that make mgsv mildly amusing.
>>343408932
Honestly, everything after act 3 was laughably horrible, and the stuff before that was a mixed bag
You'd have to completely rebuild it to make it tolerable
>>343408784
>>343408915
a game is more then it's mechanics you fucking idiots
sonic unleashed has objectively A+ mechanics and controls but the actual level design and overal framework of the game is garbage so it's a bad game.
Nobody gives a fuck how good the mechanics are in MGS5 because every single mission is "fulton something in the desert" and there's fuck all to do in the open world.
>>343408784
I'm not sure what your comparison is considering I just sprinted through ground zeroes shooting everyone. The only reason I didn't do the same in phantom pain is there were so many broken ass stealth tools.
>>343408730
Sounds like you're playing shit games. I'm playing The New Order as we speak and it's fucking great.
>>343409071
that's literally what I said
>>343409071
Fulton was a mistake.
>>343409016
Did you play the game for 10 minutes? Try doing that in daylight once you start getting high-level enemies to appear.
>>343408350
>>343408915
>>343408784
MGS5 has the dumbest guards in the series, the fucking PS1 game had guards that could see you from further away and were more deadly if they caught you
>>343409190
I also said it earlier in the thread so you two shut up
>>343409190
I quoted the wrong guy
>>343408926
He literally said video games can't be art.
>>343409071
>a game is more then it's mechanics you fucking idiots
Yeah, and a game is more then it's story, but when you shitters grade MGSV that's all you seem to care about.
Die.
>>343409241
If there are other people around, they will see you.
But the actual person that turns around, even an S, will never notice you running at them. I was doing FOB event shit today.
Which also reminds me how shitty and anti-technology this game is. In MGS2, enemies will see and dodge a Nikita missile. In MGSV, enemies just stand there like retards as a slow moving rocket punch flies towards them.
>>343409335
His explanation for that is retarded though. He basically said that if lots of people understand a thing's meaning, then it's not art.
Also what the fuck is up with reCaptcha today?
>>343409541
>post doesn't even mention the story
>"but when you shitters grade MGSV that's all you seem to care about"
>>343409243
>the fucking PS1 game had guards that could see you from further away
Why would you lie on the internet?
>>343409335
Kojima can think games can't be art and still be a primadonna that doesn't entirely understand what makes a good game.
He's the guy that thought having to manually go through keycards 1-5 to open every single door in the 2D games was a good idea because it made things tense if you were being chased like from a horror movie
He's the guy that spent huge amounts of budget and time giving MGS5 a fancy new engine and tons of licensed music instead of making sure it actually had content in its open world.
>>343409547
Name 1 MGS game where you couldn't just run up to an individual and deck him with CQC.
>>343409558
renable legacy captcha
>>343409632
It's more of a white lie
Because MGS1 levels are interiors to a building instead of random shit in a gigantic desert you have a harder time being out of a guards vision range when he's looking in your direction.
In MGS5 the guards still only see like 10/20 feet away from them but the world is so much bigger and open that you can exploit it much more easily, meaning in practical terms they're worse.
>>343396619
>>MGS 4 was shit
Parts of it were shit, but I enjoyed the overall aesthetic and as long as you don't take it too seriously the game is actually pretty great.
>>Peace Walker was shit
Due to the limitations of the Playstation Portable.
>>343409681
in MGS1 and MGS2 if you try and run towards an enemy that's even kinda facing you and throw them they'll just punch you in the face
it's only after CQC itself was introduced that it became babby casual, but even in MGS3 enemies would try to knife you if you on harder difficulties, it was only with peace walker were you could instantly wrestle any enemy within 15 feet of you without any difficulty
>>343396619
A game
>>343410016
No, it was one of the worst AAA games ever made
>>343410184
>Source: My ass
>>343410020
Git fucking gud, enemies in MGSV would also do that if you were so bad that you gave them the chance to do that shit.
>>343410274
I don't think you know how that meme works
>>343396619
>>Peace Walker was shit
>implying
Kill yourself.
>>343410016
>Due to the limitations of the Playstation Portable.
that's bullshit, portable ops didn't throw everything people like about MGS into the dumpster like peace walker did
it was still bad because of it being made with no budget, but it wasn't technical reasons holding peace walker back
peace walker was bad literally because kojima wanted to pander to his son/the huge PSP market in japan by making monster hunter gear. The game removed smoking and violence and stuff because it is quite literally for children, it was originally going to be rated the equivalent of E in japan and even more cleaned up
>>343410290
what are you talking about lmao
in mgs1/2/3 enemies melling you in response to bad attempts to throw them is an automated response, you literally can't avoid it outside of not trying to throw them at certain times
in MGS5 you have an instant stun robot arm haymaker punch that the enemies simply can't counter because they don't have 15 foot effective range like venom does
>>343398130
>4 was a fucking movie.
All MGS games are glorified movies, you nostalgiafag. MGS4 actually has a better gameplay-to-cutscene ratio than MGS1 and 2. It's just that the overall game is much longer and the cutscenes are more noticeable as a result.
>>343410505
>automated response
lol no
>>343410587
>MGS4 actually has a better gameplay-to-cutscene ratio than MGS1 and 2.
this is true because all the gameplay in MGS4 are shitty segments where you just have to walk down a long pathway or do a turret segment or sit around shooting stuff while other characters talk about things. every part of mgs gameplay is waiting or artifically dragged out
mgs1/2 are short games gameplay wise if you know exactly where to go and what to do, yes, but they also aren't full of obvious filler
>>343410369
flat out state something.
implying.
Buddy, honestly dont think you at all know what those words youre using mean. And that makes you a dumb dumb.
>>343410816
>mgs1/2 are short games gameplay wise if you know exactly where to go and what to do, yes, but they also aren't full of obvious filler
Except for the parts in both of those games where you had to backtrack because Kojima realize he didn't design enough levels. Do people conveniently forget about freezing/heating PAL key in MGS1 and the bomb disposal mission in MGS2?
>>343406413
>laughing elf man
>being this new
>>343411275
I hope this post is ironic
>>343406413
>Fucking Thief is better and that's 16 years old
Hi, Razorcuck.
>>343411071
backtracking in mgs1/2 isn't filler but a feature because you're challenged to sneak through areas from a different angle
MGS2 in particular has many of its enemy alert/patrol mechanics tie into the fact that you're going through the same rooms in a loop over and over in shell 1, with stuff like leaving a body asleep in a room 10 minutes ago getting you an alert when you return and someone finds the body
in mgs4 following footprints for 10 minutes with maybe 4 enemes in the way is filler, doing shitty rail shooter segments is filler, waiting for a guy to slowly walk around an empty city is filler, going through hallways of dwarf gecko and instantly blowing them all up with no consequence or difficulty in act 4/5 is filler
>>343411297
The filename. It's fucking Link. Anyone who's played any game ever knows that.
>>343411637
>>343397663
I agree
>>343411710
kek
I wouldn't mind another Revengeance game
>>343411934
Revengance was mediocre trash that is essentially the call of duty of beat'em'ups
>>343403282
>Not his game
He was the senior producer of the fucking thing, the entire production happened under his watch, its not his game, but he had the final saying on it and he still let the game be an amazing piece of shit.
Kojima drones will always be like this, the game is great? Then Kojima its the sole responsable for it. The game is shit? Then Kojima had nothing to do with it. See Metal Gear Rising for another example.
>>343411356
A lot of the filler in 4 is excellent when doing the big boss run. It's the only real way to play MGS4. I was let down by 4 the first time I played it, but then I did the Big Boss run and it fixed a lot of things. It's a wonderful game. It's a shame most people will never experience it because they suck at games.
>>343411974
I always thought of it as a hack n slash. A hack n slash set in the Metal Gear universe
>>343412226
hack'n'slash games are like Diablo, which Revengance fucking isn't
>>343412302
FUCKING okay
>>343396619
GOTY
>>343407762
>shit bosses
I bet you struggled with PUPA, faggot.
>shit level design
Not really.
>shit controls even on console
no.
>managing base is a boring chore
no.
>real mgs fans liked the cutscenes even if 4 was a little much
>liking a movie makes you a """"true"""" MGS fan
Kill yourself you lazy faggot.
>>343412860
>no
>not really
>you're a faggot
KEK, nice """"""rebuttals""""""
>that one autist who doesn't like Kojima
yawn, I liked every MGS to some extent but wont bother arguing with a Konami panchinko shill
you dig
>>343396619
>>MGS 4 was shit
60% of it was. The rest was just fine.
>>Peace Walker was shit
No. It was pretty good.
>>Lords of Shadow was shit
It was okay.
>>MGS V was shit
No. It lacked a good story, but it was ridiculously fun.
>>343411974
Kill yourself.
>>343412931
>shit
>shit
>shit
>shit
Great arguments! :)
小ちんぽ
>>343396619
>Lords of Shadow was shit
>Implying it wasn't Mercury Steams fault
