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Nerf when?
doesnt need one.
>>343371243
When you stop being a shitter and pick McCree and Pharah
He's pretty well balanced. Only thing really needed right now is a small boost to Dva
When zenyatta gets a buffnever ever
>>343371243
>Nerfing the only person that can reliably down a Tank since McCree was nerfed
You must be out of your fucking mind if you think THAT'S a good idea.
>>343371602
Actually they said they're looking at Zenytta right now, so he might get one
>complaining about Reaper
here op here's my fav song it might help you!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-umffoOHvb8
>Game is already ruined thanks to competitive mode
Cool. ActiBlizzard does it again, just like with arenas in WoW.
>>343371559
>Only thing really needed right now is a small boost to Dva
And Zarya and Mei's LMBs need to be shorter range.
nice meme
>>343371716
Oh wel shit. I figured with the damage he can put out he wouldn't get anything done to him. Would be nice, just hope it won't tip I'm to far.
>>343371714
Junkrat, Pharah with a good aim.
I feel like Reaper is perfectly balanced, he needs to be on top of you to be deadly. It's always funny when I kill Reapers trying to ambush me with Mercy's pistol
>>343371243
Can you not hear him clunking all over the place?
He's the loudest flanker in the world
>>343371714
but a mediocre dva can take down any non Rein tank 1v1
soldier with aim can as well.
I don't care about Mei or Bastion
Just nerf Junkrat
>>343372093
What's wrong with Junkrat?
>>343371825
Zens only problem is he melts with a little bit of focus and has no escape compared to the other supports besides his ultimate. If they just upped his ms a bit I think he'd be fine, considering how fast and accurate dmg he can do. A Zen who can avoid getting focused melts tanks
He's the only one keeping Zarya from fucking destroying the comp scene.
And he can only do so much against her.
>>343371714
76 can take down some of them pretty well
if i were to change reaper i'd slightly tighten his spread so he requires slightly more aim but can more reliably damage smaller targets at ranges beyond point blank, while actually shortening the total range of his blasts so he doesnt get too good at mid ranged combat, while basically unaffecting his performance against tanks
but its not really necessary and he's a pretty balanced character.
I would say he annihilates roadhog way too well but that's more due to roadhogs design than reapers.
>>343371559
LITERALLY
JUST
MAKE
HER
SHOOT
WHILE
MATRIXING
AND
FLYING
>>343372549
or up her walk speed while shooting so it isnt too piss easy to out range her in a close quarters situation
>>343372549
I dont see how that'll help.
Her guns have such terrible fall off you're adding chip damage to her at best.
she wont out preform winston or zarya like that.
>>343371830
Reaper is balanced, an enemy team can pick something to counter pharah or reaper but not both.
>>343372093
>Needing Situational: the character
I miss when the only person scrubs bitched about was Bastion
>>343371795
>Mei nerf
Found the shitter
Zarya is pretty balanced, and I feel her shield cooldown for ally shield could come down a sec or 2 personally
>>343372934
>Best ult in the game
>Best shield in the game
>Highest damaging tank
>Only tank with a good ranged wepaon
>Balanced
>Deserves to be buffed actually
no
>>343371716
I've always had a few changes on mind.
>Harmony/Discord Orbs act more like objects; they will fly from one target to the other, rather than Zenyatta need to throw a new one. Lets him work better away from the front line.
>Change his 50 Health to Armor. Added survivability.
>Zenyatta has two orbs being Shift and E. They act as Discord Orbs on enemies or Harmony Orbs on allies.
>Slight movespeed increase.
>>343371243
Only thing they need to change about Reaper is his ult shouldn't hit Pharahs that are flying above him.
>>343371243
>Make him slower
OR
>Reduce his range even more
OR
>Make is so he can't heal while in wraith form
OR
>Guns don't reload until he whips out his new ones.
>>343371243
Why does he wear bandoliers with shotgun shells on them when he just reloads his guns by pulling new ones out of thin air?
>>343373952
Those are novelty herb and spice containers. He cooks when not in matches.
>>343374396
I like that image
>>343372282
No he cant. Roadhog shits on 76, double winstons always beat double or even triple 76's. You need more burst to take down multiple tank strategy. Zenyattas discord orbs help against every other tank than Zarya, and Reaper is the go-to punish for tanks who attempt to bio-ball through everything.
>>343371243
Reaper is literally a pushover as long as you see him coming.
Git gud
>>343373512
The "instant reload" doesn't actually get you firing faster, because of animation-lock. It only gets you a free melee.
>>343374729
How's that? Does his shotgun just kill the shield fast enough to kill her before she kills you?
I'm not sure how to deal with Zarya, but I don;t play Reaper often.
>>343374512
>"Oregano walks among you."
>>343371790
This is what someone who just found out they're objectively bad looks like.
>>343374990
You have to kiss him to actually hit him with your zap gun, and he can just kiss you right back with his shotguns.
>>343374990
Don't shoot her shield, dipstick. She'll be tickling you while you shred her 0 mobility ass.
>>343375259
Whenever I fight a Zarya she brings up her shield once I get her to half health, then I can't do anything while she zaps me.
I guess I could wait for her to use it on something else and fuck her up while it's on cooldown?
Or make sure my LShift isn't on cooldown as Reaper and hopefully just wait out her shield?
>>343375429
yes
t. plays zarya 20% of the time
>>343375429
You could always consider busting right through it
It only has 200 health and a huge hitbox, meaning you can tear through it with 2 shotgun blasts
>>343373107
>highest damaging tank
but anon, thats not Roadhog.
>>343372934
>found the shitter
found the mei main
>>343374990
Hint: Dont shoot zarya when the shields are on. Her damage is pitiful up close as long as you DONT SHOOT HER SHIELDS and the beam actually has to be aimed so slim fast characters are a problem to her. Reaper hurts all tanks like a truck up close
>>343375650
You're not supposed to shoot her shield that's how she powers up.
>>343371243
>playing reaper
>walking behind rest of the team
>suddenly team mates run to the side
>"you have been pinned"
>this happens at least 6 times
He doesn't need one
It's Reinhardt that needs one
>>343376113
You have tunnel vision or something?
>>343374729
76 soft counters roadhog, his pulse rifle doesnt get mitigated by flat hp so hes nailing roadhog with true damage and can charge ult/pelt roadhog all day long with that accurate hit scan. 76 is only beaten by barriers/shields
POST PLACEMENTS
>>343376090
It doesn't matter how powered up she is if you just kill her afterwards
After the shield she's a big 500 health target with no armor
>>343375650
>This nigga shoots Zarya's shield
I bet you think you have to go around your Rein's shield to shoot, too
>>343375869
>massive spread L1
>essentially useless outside point blank
>right click occasionally but unreliably one shots squishies, but beyond that is only good for whittling reinhardt shields
>extremely low ROF and magazine size means his actual DPS is shit
>>343375869
>roadhog
>tank
nice meme hehe!
>>343376381
>won 4/10 matches
>got four golds in six of those matches
>rank: 44
How the fuck does this system work?
>>343371243
>Not countering this spic with Pharah
>>343374973
He can still be mid reload, wraith, heal, and come back with a full tank of gas.
He never runs out of steam.
>>343374729
sure in 1v1s roadhog can trounce 76 most of the time
but its a team game
roadhog is so fat, from outside hook range, 76 can just hold down L1 and still hit 90% of shots. A single magazine will eat about half of roadhogs health thanks to no armor, and a helix rocket will put him dangerously low
yeah this isnt actually killing roadhog but a decent 76 can make him spend half the game running off to a corner to huff more gas and accomplish nothing.
>>343376471
If you've got enough damage to bust through it AND kill her right afterwards it's a legitimate strategy
A 76 isn't going to do enough to bust through the shield but Reaper can definitely brute force through it assuming he's already on top of her
>>343375259
>zarya
>tickles
zaryas damage is huge
the only reason reaper can win is because his is even huger
>>343376667
>>>343376381
>>won 4/10 matches
>>got four golds in six of those matches
Another question in this vein: I got a commendation yesterday for getting 115% of the team's eliminations as Lucio. How does that work?
>>343376909
Any Zarya that knows what she's doing is gonna murder that Reaper, and you're assuming a 1v1 situation where he's not getting rekt and blown all over the place by the rest of her team, a rarity. Meanwhile, she's either melting him, or melting his team, and his selfish focus on kills results in dead teammates and lost rounds.
>>343376805
thats not a placement my dude
>>343376963
maybe mercy?
>>343377095
>>maybe mercy?
I don't remember if there was one. My theory was it was mathing weird if some of their players dropped and got filled in. Like maybe it was averaging out of 8 players instead of 6 if 2 quit and got replaced.
>>343376963
Is there any reward for getting 5+ commendations?
I finally won one the other day expecting a loot drop or something, and nothing happened.
Give Zen's harmony Orb a 5 or 6 sec cooldown, and make it so when you click while on cooldown it will teleport you to the ally with the orb. There, fixed forever. I don't know who's the fucking retard that gave the okay for the frailest fucking character in the game to have 0 fucking escape options.
Just fucking make him Dhalsim and give him teleports already.
>>343376441
She's 400 health without shield.
>>343377015
>selfish focus on kills.
yea, kills are selfish when they prevent the enemy team from killing you and acquiring the objective.
now, STUPID TRADES are different. any good team needs reliable killers that slaughter their foes.
people also vastly underestimate the importance of a good distraction. if you distracted multiple enemies for 15 seconds then you myswell have killed them since that's how long it takes for a respawn. plus, GOOD non retarded teammates will take advantage of the situation and kill the rest of their team since it turns it into a 3v6.
>>343376943
Not at 0 energy.
>I'M GOING FOR THE TOBLERONE!
Whad did she mean by this?
S76's ult is retarded, needs to be nerfed
>>343377792
She's after that dwarf dick so they can hate on omnics together.
>>343377634
>now, STUPID TRADES are different.
Oh my god, I wish I could communicate this with the teams I get on. No one wants to just sit on the payload to prevent the enemy from moving it. They all get lured away to 1v1 someone on the other team and it just advances onward even if they don't get murdered because they ran off in their bloodrage against their counter. Thank goodness for no one being able to hit Lucio reliably enough to overcome his healing.
>>343377634
In the team the Reaper is trying to burn through the Zarya's Shield and boosting her, hurting his own team, he could have gone to kill any other enemy far more easily then come back to finish her off after the shield disappears. Strategery, my nigga.
>>343377792
>HEMP ESTABLISHED
>>343377861
You can just hide from it, you know. It's a less effective version of McRee's.
any reason why comp mode doesn't work like actual competitive? overtime is pretty dumb desu
why is it that when a team barely caps and my team rolls it isn't just a win? same with capture points on volskaya, if we cap with 2 minutes left and they don't cap before then why isn't it just a win?
>>343373512
He really shouldn't be able to heal in wraith form. It's practically a guaranteed health restore ability.
>>343378167
>Head and shoulders!
>>343377861
S76 is the most balanced hero in the game tho
>>343376682
>shooting a reaper from above
>his shotgun shells do single digit damage while my rockets have no fall-off
Almost feel bad for them
>>343376381
>Gone down 5 ranks since FUCKING 10 OCLOCK
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING DAMNIT
>>343378167
>>343378289
>Lisbon treaty!
>>343378549
>level 73
>9 hours played
how
>>343378389
He's also the most retardedly cliche ekshun hirro char.
Thinking about it, Overwatch is the domain of cliche.
>>343378640
Pretty sure quickplay and competitive hours are tracked differently
>>343378640
it's competitive played time
>>343378640
That screen just shows his competitive matches.
>>343378437
>tfw someone messaged me telling me I'm the best pharrah they've gone up against
Felt pretty good.
>>343379305
i send messages to people all the time like this even when its not true just to maybe brighten their day
>>343378689
That's the point, like the soldier in battleborn, they're meant to be cliché for more traditional fps players
>>343378284
>Mei
>>343379305
>>343379904
Kek, I dot his when a player is notoriously bad or he keeps making a big mistake often, helps the ignorant stay ignorant
>>343381086
no you just come across as one of those edgy faggots that says ggez and shit to try to get a reaction. I bet you're 14
>>343381273
>making baseless assumptions
I bet you're 14 and btw, I've never said ggez in my life
>>343381273
How does complimenting someone make you seem edgy? are you retarded?
>>343381389
why would you lie on the internet? You literally just said it
>>343381521
No, I typed it, guess you are 14 after all
>>343378612
Why is this image inverted?
>>343381485
ggez means "good game, it was easy to beat you" it's not a compliment, it's shit talk.
>>343382331
Did you even read the reply chain?
>>343379904
>>343381086
Here's the message. Had four gold in that game so I hope it was genuine.
>>343382640
Forgot pic. Fug.
His damage needs to be needed or his rate of fire needs to be nerfed. If they're going to let him get out of literally any situation for free by turning into an edgy apparition his dps needs to be toned down. Its bad enough he can teleport wherever and his ult can magically hit through walls.
>>343383045
His damage is fine. Reaper needs to be right next to you to do any reliable damage, so just watch for flanks
>>343371556
Are you playing on console? You do know McCree got nerfed hard, right?
>>343382720
youre a fucking beaner faggot for playing wewuz
>>343385406
Nerfed my ass. McCree can still take down a Reaper with a Flashbang + Fan the Hammer Combo or two headshots.
Better yet, he can shut down Reaper's ultimate easily.
>>343371825
Zen has a 0% pick rate in the current pro competitions. Fucking Torb and Bastion are getting more usage.
They have to look into him.
The McRee nerf was not needed
All they needed to do was give his rightclick a cooldown
Just like Lucio or Soldier
>>343374990
>>343375429
>>343376943
>>343376471
>>343376090
How shit are you guys. It doesn't even matter if you shoot her shield or not.
Reaper can literally 2 shot Zarya when he is up close.
learn to aim.
>>343371243
>It's my last competitive try-out match
>My team can't do anything against their pharah
>Pick bastion as defending because I could probably just get into sneaky positions and stop her from destroying my team
>"Hey bastion can you swap to an actual good hero and take down their pharah? Can you swap to junkrat or something?"
We proceed to lose because no one can kill pharah.
>>343385973
Why change the flow of the character? He still wreaks everyone apart from tanks, as intended.
>>343371243
>*teleports behind u*
pssh, nothen personnell kid
>>343372934
>>343373107
Zarya would be balanced if you could only pick one on a team. 2 Zarya's on a team is fucking cancer.
I wish they would just enforce that in ranked. How god damn enjoyable would it be when everyone isn't just copying down what they saw some "pros" do.
>>343376682
Why is Widowmaker always so smug?
>>343371243
>Can only pick up souls in wraith form
>Drops a soul for whoever gets the last hit that can be consumed like Reaper does
Yay/nay?
>>343388142
>Drops a soul for whoever gets the last hit that can be consumed like Reaper does
Soldier 76 already fills the back-up heal role.
>Can only pick up souls in wraith form
It's not really a big change that would bother me personally.
>Reactivating Wraith mode cancels it.
Yes/No?
>>343371243
Only nerf he needs is he spoopy ghost form
>>343388421
>that would bother
Wouldn't.
>>343374990
>I'm not sure how to deal with Zarya
Don't shoot her shield, at no circumstances shoot it unless she is completely alone and you can kill her by blowing her shield up.
I get cancer every time when I get retarded teammates that shoot it and then wonder why they die like flies while a maxed up Zarya runs around and fucks everyone up.
>>343372890
>Junkrat
>Situational
Honestly, the only thing they need to nerf his his grenades when they aren't direct hits.
>>343388596
>Playing as Reaper
>Notice a Zarya and move into to kill her
>She immediately activates her shield after my first shot
>Decide to just wait for it to deactivate
>She melts my fave with 99 FUCKING POWER BECAUSE MY IDIOT TEAMMATES KEPT ON SHOOTING HER SHIELD
>>343388717
>my face playing Zarya
>enemy team has bastion
>pop up my shield and peek at him to get free charge because bastion players are that retarded
>>343371478
This nigger can kill just about any "light" character in 3 shots.
>>343371243
They should change reapers ammo capacity to 6, but still allow him to left click 8 times by having the last two shots be replaced with him throwing his guns at you
Hard counter = winston
https://youtu.be/NCEVnzR5jH8
>>343371243
>nerf when
In the German version. Everyone has nerf guns.
>>343372874
>Acting like 76 doesnt counter both
top kek.
people dont uderstand how silly 76 is, hes by far the best DD in the game.
>>343375429
>>343374990
dont ever shoot her fucking shield. its literally better for you to spend the time reloading because shooting her shield just makes her stronger.
reaper can fuck up any tank in a couple seconds if you dont miss.
>>343375869
People who go roadhog as the primary tank are the worse.
From what I can tell the meta in comp seems to always include Zarya+ another tank
including Zarya + Zarya.
>>343389120
Reaper counters Winston when Reaper has high health.
>>343385973
No. His issue was he was melting tanks. He was doing what Reaper was supposed to do. His abilites CDs are fine, but his fth damage was all the damage a team needed for protecting a payload AND flanking.
>>343388875
Roadhog can kill any light character in one, can pull them to him from afar, and has a better self-heal
I don't get why everyone bitches about reaper, I consistently fuck him up as hog unless he catches me off guard
>>343389120
Reaper is literally the counter to Winston
Even the tips in game tell you that. Tanks are so wide that shot guns melt them with ease.
Wny is Reinhardt allowed to move as fast as Symmetra in that huge armor and why does it feel like he moves faster when he's swinging, I swear I was running away from him today while he was swinging his 40m hammer at me and he somehow caught up to me
>>343390563
precision german engineering
>>343390563
the hammers range is silly, so are normal melee attacks
try it in an arcade or something. generally if their body is covering the screen tjey can be punched, even of they seem far away.
>>343376963
probably Mech kills and/or healed teammate assists
>>343385618
He has to hit literally every shot of FtH which is hard unless you're touching dicks with Reaper, which you'll only be doing if you corner camped him or walked up when he didn't see you.
>>343371243
As it stands he's the only hope against Tank stacking which is the new meme now that McCree is garbage and Widow's bodyshots do jack shit..
>>343392243
>He has to hit literally every shot of FtH which is hard unless you're touching dicks with Reaper,
Good thing he's got two FtHs close together and no cooldown beyond reloading.
>which you'll only be doing if you corner camped him or walked up when he didn't see you.
or caught him in the flashbang.
>>343372890
>Situational: the character
You mean
>Spin around in circles while shooting and raking in kills with no effort because of massive splash damage and linger from grenades and One shotting anyone who isn't a tank from close range with his toss-mine: the character
>>343392535
the time it takes you to roll and shoot again he can usually one hit you with a headshot.
Getting close enough to Reaper to throw flashbang without being too far away to hit all shots is hard when he can melt you from outside the range you need to be in.
>>343388086
>1st comp game when it got patched in
>enemy is double Zarya
>they just back to back ult us and fuck our mouths
>>343388086
>Every game has either a Lucio mercy combo or a double Zarya, winston or Tracer comp
Competitive game-modes and pro players ruin literally every game
Prove me wrong
>>343372181
I think a good idea for Zen would be to have it that he gains move speed depending on how many orbs he has out. Still wish you could stack orbs, that would make it even more ideal, but I think it could be at least a step in the right direction, with maybe a small health buff but that might make him too strong.
>>343371243
Would you fuckers please for the love of <YOUR HIGHER POWER> consolidate all your retarded "nerf this" threads?
>>343372549
I wish she didn't lose momentum if she shoots in the air, it doesn't even make sense.
>>343376381
>Played 2 hours and already unlocked competitive
>>343396078
Time spent in comp and time spent in Quickplay are separate.
>>343371556
>stop being a shitter
>pick McCree
You can be one or the other Anon but you can't be both.
>>343371790
You can still continue playing quick play, shitter.
>>343376381
>was placed 45
>5 games in a row where we stomped the first round then someone dc'd and couldn't pull out the 5v6
oh well...
*sees u*
*ghosts in front of ur fov*
*tanks ur dmg and kills u*
*take your soul and float away*
>>343396078
Competitive has no requirements
Competitive should be at least level 50+. Getting paired with shitters even on comp fucking sucks.
>>343371243
No fuck you since they nerfed McCree Reaper is the only serious counter to tanks. We already have 2-3 tanks per game we don't need MORE TANKS.
how do I get better with zenyattar
just a superior game coming through...
>>343385618
This is false as fuck. Flashbang lasts .75 seconds and FTH is 6 bullets in 1 second. Each bullet does 45 damage. So that's 270 damage in 1 second if he lands the full thing on Reaper who has 250 health.
But like I said, since flashbang only lasts .75 seconds Reaper will only take about 180 damage before the flash wears off. Hit his immunity and the now you can't be hit by those last two bullets.
Genji can do the same thing with his reflect or dash and he only has 200 health.
Sorry edgelord.
You know who needs nerf? Mercy.
Fuck that bitch's ultimate.
>>343398219
Mad reaper shitter detected.
>>343376862
WHAT THE FUCK IS L1 REEEEEEEE
>>343398108
Pharahs get mad as hell when you airshot them.
>airshot enemy pharah
>"lucker"
>ask if I lucked out twice
>>343398219
They should start taking damage immediately once revived.
>>343398345
Or not revive with full health.
>>343385973
>All they needed to do was give his rightclick a cooldown
People keep saying this, and people continue to be wrong every time they say it.
>>343398409
thats because people dont realise the whole point of the riggt click is to combo it from combat roll, if right click had a cool down roll would be useless
>>343398286
heh heh
to be fair, any trajectory prediction has an element of luck
>>343376862
>L1
Console kids can't discuss balance, sorry. Your game needs to be balanced differently.
>>343398108
>>343398650
>Muh muh old superior game
>>343398131
The Flashbang does 25 damage so in your horror scenario, Reaper takes 205 damage before McCree takes none and is now in Wraith mode. Leaving you with the perfect opportunity to roll away, get some distance and take a headshot.
>>343398912
Well if he can reliably get headshots, he doesn't need to FTH now does he?
But since we're now discussing things that COULD happen, you as reaper could wraith as he throws his flash, and then when you pop out you could land all headshots on him and melt him in seconds. Reaper sure is a McCree counter.
>>343398650
Its almost like Soldier is horrendously better than the rest of the classes in tf2.
>>343399103
>Well if he can reliably get headshots, he doesn't need to FTH now does he?
No, he doesn't. Which I said in the first post too. Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
>But since we're now discussing things that COULD happen, you as reaper could wraith as he throws his flash,
And Genji can deflect it, and Tracer can blink before it hits her. The two classes Mc'Cree is meant to counter or deter. Then it boils down to timing and whether you can bait it.
>>343399215
soldier fast movement requires him to sacrifice health rocket jumping
he's not that good considering he only does around 80 damage at close range and relies heavily on prediction to get kills
he was considered the "best" class back when no one knew how to play scout or demo
>>343399938
>Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
Just when I think I've heard every single possible stupid thing to ever be posted on /v/ about Overwatch you go and say this shit.
>>343385650
>0% pick rate
I'm sorry, but who are you and why are you spewing this nonsense?
>There are people shit enough at this game to think Reaper needs nerfs
And I say that as someone who doesn't have Reaper in my top 7 most played heroes
>>343386956
why did you swap ? Just do whatever the fuck you want. Fuck the haters. Fuck whoever thinks they can boss anyone else around.
>>343371243
is this a fucking joke?
if anything his teleport needs a rework, it is an enemy snipers easiest target
>>343399938
>No, he doesn't. Which I said in the first post too. Mc'Cree was top pick because of Left Click, not his Fan..
Except you're wrong. FTH used to do a huge amount of damage, and then you could roll to do it again. He could drop any character in the game with that ability alone.
>And Genji can deflect it, and Tracer can blink before it hits her. The two classes Mc'Cree is meant to counter or deter. Then it boils down to timing and whether you can bait it.
You're right. And post nerf, McCree no longer counters Genji. He only counters Tracer if you flash and get a headshot.
Either way if you're a reaper and losing to a McDouble you're simply bad.
>>343400168
Mcree is actually a sniper class if you're good with his left click.
His right click and stun combos are just icing on the cake.
>>343385618
Reaper can escape a fan the hammer 100% of the time if not hurt too badly, just hold shift.
And lining up two headshots before the stun ends is actually pretty fucking hard. A more consistent combo is flashing on reaction to the headshot sound if you land one, or if you land two bodyshots, then flashing and getting a headshot to finish.
>>343399938
McCree was top pick because of fan the hammer. Nobody's getting headshots every 0.5 seconds; Soldier is a much better choice in 90% of the maps if you want to left click. You should only consider McCree in really claustrophobic maps like Lijiang control center.
>>343371559
doesn't need a boost, just an alt fire
long range single cannon, rather than gattling shotgun
4 pellets instead of the usual 8
still does piss all damage, but she doesn't need the buff, just the utility
Pick Reaper
Click once
Press R, press V, repeat
Bury the map in discarded shotguns
>>343376381
Waiting for KOTH fix.
>>343401401
Of course it was because of fan the hammer and blizzard thought for some fucking reason that it was the "skill" mode for mcgree and not OP as fuck from the beginning and actually rewarded people for using it.
>You get a card with bastion if you kill enough people in scout mode.
>You get a card with mcgree for fucking fan the hammer.
>>343380923
>completely immobile
>>343400828
He has really bad falloff range, making Soldier better at medium-long distances. And Soldier direct hit rockets don't have falloff.
>Decide to play a game of quickplay because Comp is beoken atm
>Get matched with the worst players Ive ever seen
Th-thanks Blizzard
>>343400168
Actually one of the big reasons he was picked besides his utility was how fast he could melt Reinhardts shield with Mercy damage buff.
How do I Pharah? Her splash damage is shit but her rockets are so slow I can't direct hit for shit. If I see a Pharah shooting at me 20m away I can just sidestep away from the rockets before they land
>>343373276
The only post worse than this I've seen is the guy saying Discord should also do 5DPS on it's target.
>>343402575
1- Never stay on the ground
2- Learn to predict trajectories
Also, destroy the enemy's turrets since it's easy.
>>343371795
>>343372549
>>343401849
D.va is the only hero in the game that can eat projectile or hitscan based ultimates. And it's with a basic ability. When she isn't stopping ults, she's flying around and making kills on low health high risk targets like Mercy. I don't see why you cunts want to buff her. She's fine. Just not a good main tank.
>>343402575
>If I see a Pharah shooting at me 20m away
Here's the problem. You don't want to be in the enemy's line of sight or else they'll just shoot you down. You want to be above them, behind them, or high enough so that they can't see you without looking up.
Then you only really need direct hits for tanks which are easier to hit. You can splash important targets like Mercy and Lucio. You can also use splash damage to kill other low health heroes like Tracer, Genji, etc.
>>343402697
>1- Never stay on the ground
That's not always true, if the enemy team has a widowmaker/soldier/mccree you're easier to hit in the air
>>343402834
If the enemy team has a skilled Widow/soldier you probably shouldn't be playing Pharah.
>>343402772
>only hero in the game that can eat projectile or hitscan based ultimates.
This is literally the only thing going for her. Roadhog and Winston are both better for singling out/rushing down high priority targets than her because she crumples in an instant the second she tries to bully anyone that has a gun that can headshot or does high damage. She's a good counter to Winston, but that's about it. She needs help, she isn't fine.
t. person with far too much time put into playing D.Va
>>343402772
Her eating projectiles is the only good part about her kit, well that and her mobility. Generally she's a sort of jack of all trades and isn't a good choice in any situation because you can pick a hero that does whatever you're trying to do better than she does. She fills no role.
>>343402830
I don't understand how can you kill someone with D.Va aside from her ult. Even outside her mech she has better damage.
I only use her for King's Row.
>>343403165
meant to quote >>343402772
>>343397958
you need to be rank 25 to get into competitive.
>>343403165
D.Va's ult is one of the worst in the game though, unless it's paired with something like Mei's Freeze or Zarya's ult. But those pair well with like 75% of the ults in the game so that's not saying shit, and even with those her ult requires annoying timing comparatively.
The biggest bullshit in the world though is that no matter how much HP Reinhardt's shield has, it will stop it from transferring past it, meaning if there's a Reinhardt you literally can't kill any of the enemy team with it.
>>343402772
Because it takes over 10 headshots each dicktouching range to kill mercy, and if she power walks away then you can triple that.
Her survivability and movement more than make up for that desu, but I really would like to get more than one confirmed kill per match
>>343372934
>mei
>hold left click while running through the opponent
>take your time to aim at their head and press right click
Eat shit cunt
>>343403292
That's the point of Rein, he's a giant cock block.
Zarya's ult is unusable until he's dead or his shield is down.
>>343402834
If you don't have control of the air get off pharah.
She's useless if you can't stay up in the air dropping loads on the enemy team the entire game.
>>343403481
That's not true. Zarya's ult can still be used to good effect with a Reinhardt around, since he can only protect from one general direction and they're all stuck there for the duration of it. A Pharah or Junkrat on your team, for instance, will capitalize on a Zarya ult with a Rein shield still up no problem, especially if they have their ult. A bastion on your team will take down the shield and the whole enemy team effortlessly too of course.
>>343403425
Try not getting singled out from the rest of your team, Mei doesn't have much in the way of movement options so it's not hard to swarm her and take her down quickly so long as you don't fall for bait and get ice wall'd away. She's annoying because slow/stun/movement removing shit is the most frustrating tier of ability to deal with, but she's really not OP.
>>343402575
Flank the enemy.
Shoot at them from the air and rooftops behind/to the side.
If they have ranged heroes preventing you from doing that don't play pharah.
>>343403481
Nah because there is a lot of shit that goes through it or can break it easy. When your using Zarya's ult it's usually to combo with another ult.
>>343403425
>mei
>hold left click while running through the opponent
>half of the cast easily gets away from you
>die
>>343402772
Lot's of heroes can do that.
Genji can deflect them and rein and zarya can shield against them.
>>343403481
>Use Zarya ult
>shoot your alt fire at full energy into their feet that Rein can't/probably won't be shielding
>???
>profit
>>343382720
Build wall faggot.
>>343390345
>comp seems to always include Reinhardt + an off-tank
FTFY
>>343403707
If they make it so while her LMB freezes you, you can still use abilities that let you escape(if you have any) it would be fine. Now you sit there for good 1.5 seconds and are dead 99% of the time. It's her LMB, shouldn't get punished that much from a basic attack.
>>343403939
>Rein shield extends to the ground
>???
>die painful death
>>343404083
Rein Zarya mercy lucio + 2DPS is the new meta on payload maps
Deal with it.
>>343404120
You can use abilities that would let you escape from it though, so long as you use them early enough.
>>343404134
He has to willingly aim it down since Zarya's ult picks people off the ground though.
>>343404120
>If they make it so while her LMB freezes you, you can still use abilities that let you escape(if you have any) it would be fine.
No, she would be beyond useless
Her whole mediocre point is fucking up mobile heroes
>>343373107
>Ult countered/avoided by half the cast. Need high energy and/or coordinated team ult for it to be worth shit
>Shield cooldown on self is 10 seconds and lasts 2. Only handles 200 damage so high DPS melts it.
>Lowest damaging Tank unless fed energy by retards
Try playing her, then get back to me.
>>343404221
kek. You watch competitive, eh? You said Zarya is more prominent than Reinhardt. You will never see a comp without him especially on fucking payload maps, and sometimes Zarya is swapped out for Roadhog or Winston.
Deal with it.
>>343404243
It extends below his feet.
He has to aim up or at least level for there to be a gap.
And why would he be not aimed down slightly when he's up in the air?
>>343404331
Only a few characters can easily escape her ult, and it combos with the majority of the cast's ults too. It's a good ultimate.
High DPS might melt it but like many other things it is wonderful at mitigating high damage. You aren't meant to be the main tank, you're meant to be a supporting tank.
There are many cases where you can force people to feed you energy considering you can give the shield to allies as well.
Literally git gud, Zarya's just fine.
>>343404262
I think her LMB shouldn't slow you.
That way she actually has to track people and you can still get away if you react.
I still think McCree's nerfs were a bit overboard.
He was able to kill tanks + squishies.
Now he can only consistently kill a squishy if they're tracer.
>>343404550
Roadhog and winston are just for shit teams who can't deal with phrah.
>>343404686
You can already get away if you react with most characters. Stop being a shitter.
>>343404610
Lots of Reinhardts don't, probably because they don't realize they need to or don't react quickly enough when the ult happens. I'm not saying good Reinhardts will fall for this but plenty will. Doesn't change the fact most of your team can still capitalize on the ult even if there's a Rein shield still up anyways though.
>>343404686
SAure, if you majorly buff her in some other way
Say, halve the time it takes to freeze
She's already bottom of the barrel
>>343386956
>Swap to Junkrat
>To take down Pharah
Yeah, your team was retarded. Bad luck.
>>343404764
Not most characters.
Maybe half.
>>343404759
Reaper can ruin any offensive, defensive, or support hero if he has a favorable engagement on them, what? Or are you just bad at pulling off the double headshot after the flashbang?
Despite being an offensive character he's much more of a defensive one since he shines only when enemies have to come to him.
His ability to effortlessly destroy every member of the cast before just because he pressed E was retarded.
>>343404684
Good ultimate is not the same thing as best Ultimate. It's situational too, and depends on good coordination or a dumb enemy team. The best ults are independent of that.
Someone admits that Zarya is the off-tank role. That's actually true. Because this game has only 1 authentic, braindead tank. Here's an idea for when she throws up her barriers - don't shoot. Force people? At high level you have to be smart, and throw it up during ults because good players aren't "forced" into shit. Unless you use Roadhog, Mei, or McCree who literally stun characters.
Literally git gud, Zarya's just fine, and actually takes skill. I'm one of the top tanked Zaryas, I know.
>>343404849
>mei shitters can't aim her OP icicle
>want buffs
>>343405086
Her icicle is a worse McCree lmb
It's not bad but it's not some kind of revelation
>>343405035
Well then maybe they shouldn't have let him walk up to them.
I mean, "Don't get hooked" is the same logic used to justify Roadhog being able to 1 shot anyone with less than 250 health at any time.
>>343404761
Pharah's major counters bar 76 were nerfed hard and most teams know to have their Mercy tunneling Pharah so 76 doesn't hard counter her. In competitive she is a staple now. So, Roadhog's hook comes into play. Winston isn't just for Pharah, he's for squishies and backline harassment. He needs a roof to be able to hit her with his french tickler.
>>343405210
She also has 250hp, and a invulnerability/self heal.
Not to mention her fucking wall.
>>343405235
>learn how to aim
>play widow
>profit
>>343405210
An over-sized hitbox that can 1-shot Tracer if headshot, on a character that is supposed to suffer from a distance. Mei might not need a nerf yet, but she definitely doesn't need a buff.
>>343405369
Tell that to the top Widows who will always know how to aim better than you ever will, who rarely use her anymore. They literally don't profit anymore
>>343405018
Literally just press shift tier:
>Tracer, Pharah, Genji, Reaper, Widow, D.Va, Winston
Conditional/bit more difficult shift tier
>Mercy, Junkrat
Situation dependent escape tier
>Lucio
Build a wall tier
>Mei
That's roughly half, though other characters can deal it in other ways
>McCree
Flashbang and kill her
>S76
Throw down a biotic field. You can then try to either kill her, or run away after freeze+m2 fails to kill you because biotic field heals you enough.
>Zarya, Roadhog, Rein
Tanky enough to be able to deal with freeze+m2. Zarya barrier prevents you from freezing. Rein+Roadhog can just kill Mei.
This only leaves out Zenyatta, Symmetra, Hanzo, Bastion and Torbjörn.
>>343405071
I'm not the original poster who claimed anything about her having the best ultimate.
There are plenty of situations you can force people into giving you ult though. Junkrats spamming down corridors, Torb turrets, and of course ultimates as you said. Anytime someone is already being tied up in shooting someone you're probably going to get at least a little energy out of it. But the big is that whether you get energy or not, you just forced that engagement to have a huge bias. They have to actively stop shooting that target for those two or less seconds while they get to do whatever they want.
I'm not sure what we're arguing about at this point but I only took opposition to you making a list that seemed to try and paint her as bad in any way. All of her abilities are just fine.
>>343377792
She clearly says Dovnesti, which is Russian for Dynasty. She's building a legacy upon using her ultimate
>>343405468
You aren't forcing a Junkrat to feed you, or a player to pick Torbjorn. Yeah, she is fed off of the lazy Junkrat spam and the auto-aim Torbjorn turrets for poor-aimers and just plain dumpers.
You read my post without reading what I was responding to. Nice. Context matters.
>>343377792
She's saying "I'm going for the Toad Nasty" not Toblerone ffs.
>>343405638
>She clearly says Dovnesti, which is Russian for Dynasty
That is so not Russian for "dynasty".
>>343405297
Yes and she still gets outclassed by everyone else
McCree is better at close range killing as well as medium range harrassing, Tracer and Reaper are the better flankers, McCree and Roadhog fill her flanker killing role better, many ults easily surpass hers, her wall utility is cool but most often not worth the other drawbacks
>on a character that is supposed to suffer from a distance.
The projectile has like half a second of windup and Tracer is all over the place, you're not going to reliably headshot a Tracer that isn't a mouthbreathing retard with it
Only nerf I would have is his HP dropped to 200 that's it. Considering his kit and survivabilty dont get why they gave him the most HP of all attackers in the game. If you one on one him he essentially has up to 500 hp as long as his ghost cooldown is available and 250 is just enough to survive all cc abilities if you luck out and you dont get OHKO'd.
WIll this game be like League where they add a champion every 2 weeks or something or are we restricted to the shitters that are in and only them forever?
>>343406042
It won't be every two weeks because (and I think this is pretty obvious) Overwatch heroes will require more input time to churn out.
>>343405832
I forget, what other characters have an almost-instant freeze gun with a deceptively long range that doesn't run out of ammo for 20 seconds? Who fills that role again?
McCree is a joke now that he got nerfed, and his use in comp has dropped a lot. I've seen Meis in comp recently too, since she was not used mainly due to McCree. However, still Pharah is an issue for her and she's now over-used so Mei is still held back by that.
Doesn't 'need' a nerf, but fat bitch does not need a buff.
>>343405794
It so is. Bite me.
>>343406114
Ye, but did they say something about adding new heroes?
>>343406202
Yes. They added new heroes every couple of months during the closed beta.
So, for KotH maps it's 2 Lucio + at least 1 Winston and Payload maps are Mercy + Lucio + 2 tanks + 2 dps, right?
>>343400467
if its genuinely good advice and you don't take it, you shouldn't be surprised to be stuck in a sub 60s rank (right now, in the future this will probably be higher) because you're most likely a no brainer shitter.
>>343406127
https://translate.google.ru/?hl=en&tab=wT&authuser=0#en/ru/dynasty
>>343405448
>Throw down a biotic field. You can then try to either kill her, or run away after freeze+m2 fails to kill you
>she right clicks you again
HAX!
>>343406202
They have new heroes planned right now.
Sombra is the next one planned to be released.
>>343406275
>2 lucio
No, only for cheesing defense points.
>>343378704
>>343378748
>>343378786
Ah, my mistake
reaper is the most braindead character in this game.
>250 health
>gun that actually does allright damage at typical ranges contrary to the typical 'needs to be in dicksucking range' bullshit spewed around here
>panic get out of jail free/contest/get free health card
>aiming not mandatory
>teleporting ability to get above teams
>His Q is a goddamn sphere, so even if you do duke the ult, unless you get out of its deceptively huge range, even above or below you will still die
>he also gets health for every kill. including ult, so the 'deflect ult via genji' doesnt actually work most of the time since his health regain negates the damage deflected assuming hes killing more than 1 person.
>s-sstay away from him
>in an objective based game
>in objective based modes
>where the actual goal of the game is to be in close quarters contesting point.
>on top of everything, environmentals from pharah/lucio no longer work, since wraith form negates falling enough to counter it.
he the character i pick if i feel like cheesing an enemy team. once you have ult youre pretty much guaranteed 4 kills on point unless someone has a very specific counter ready and waiting. and assuming that counter kills him since if it doesnt lol your team is dead, youre solo and hes right next to you with his chandelier cannons
>Go 2-0, feeling pretty good about them placements.
>Suddenly run into most of Cloud fucking 9.
>Get curb stomped hardcore.
>Don't wanna play anymore.
Stop ruining the fun for others you autists.
>>343406119
>Doesn't 'need' a nerf
Her invul should stop counting for capture
>>343378640
Competitive and QP is tracked separately.
>>343378549
Competitive is fucking aids anyways.
The fact that I did all my 10 placement matches drunk out of my fucking mind at 3 o'clock in the morning and still manged to get a 7/3 w/l rate with a rank of 56 is very, very telling.
Also:
>You will not hold your rank at perfect 50% W/L rate.
>Sudden FUCKING death
>System doesn't differentiate between group sizes, so it can group up a 6 man pre-made versus a 2 man + pubbies.
>Being left by yourself on a team and losing literal 1v6 still counts towards your rank.
Blizzard has even admitted it's broken hot trash but they wanted to push it out the door.
It's gonna be fixed in season 2, or so they say.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745725471#post-18
>>343406926
I got 5/5 in the placements. Decent enough I guess but I played against a team with a level 252 guy and a bunch of 100+.
How many hours to get to level 252? For fuck's sake.
>>343371243
The thumbnail wasn't loading and I already knew you were talking about Overwatch, and a character from it that has severe and clearly defined weaknesses.
You faggots are just as bad as the League of Legends crowd when it comes to calling for nerfs and buffs, but you justify yourselves with "muh casul shooter".
FUCK OFF. THE DEVS DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO KITE A SHITLORD WITH THE EFFECTIVE RANGE OF A BUTTERFLY KNIFE. STOP BEING RETARDED AND ALL YOUR PROBLEMS WILL GO AWAY.
I'll see myself out. Sorry for exploding but Overwatch nerf/buff threads with no context from OP piss me off.
>>343407028
>You will not hold your rank at perfect 50% W/L rate.
>i don't know how MMR works
>Sudden FUCKING death
getting fixed
>System doesn't differentiate between group sizes, so it can group up a 6 man pre-made versus a 2 man + pubbies.
Yes it does
>Being left by yourself on a team and losing literal 1v6 still counts towards your rank.
No shit, that's how it should work dumbass.
>>343405448
Biotic field does not outheal her headshots.
>>343407114
>How many hours to get to level 252? For fuck's sake.
ALL OF THE HOURS. I've seen a Mercy main at almost level 380.
Some people are dedicated, I'm sure there are some Korean's who are even higher.
>>343406119
>almost-instant freeze gun
It takes like 3 seconds, that's an eternity. McCree stun, which fills basically the same role, comes out instantly.
>McCree is a joke now that he got nerfed,
Fucking bullshit
He still shits out like 150 dps at midrange and can murder squishies as well as repel flankers. He's just no longer also a complete tank buster, though he can still unload unholy amounts of damage into them easily
>>343407446
>i don't know how MMR works
Yeah, in all other games you totally need an 80% win rate in order to hold your current rank.
Retard.
>getting fixed
Should have been a long fucking time ago, blizz were aware of this issue long before the mode was released on live.
>Yes it does
No, it doesn't.
Maybe not the extreme case I said, but I myself have gone against 3+3 pre-made when it was only me and my buddy on my team who were in a group.
>No shit, that's how it should work dumbass.
Since you can lose an entire rank and need to win 4 matches in a row to get it back, no that's not at all how it should work.
>>343407812
Is two seconds
And is slow your aim, which is something you fuckers always ignore with "just shoot her head to kill her lol xDDD" bullshit.
Why is everyone that plays Tracer an insufferable asshole
>>343406119
>McCree is a joke now that he got nerfed
lolno.
>>343406519
And misses because you're already moving.
>>343407561
If she has 100% accuracy on her headshots, then I'll be assuming that you do too. S76 deals 17 damage a shot from close range. You need to land 8 headshots on her to kill her. This can be done in 0.8 seconds. You'll kill her a whole second before she freezes you. Amazing.
>>343371243
He's already nerfed, always picked by shitters when he's not needed and never picked when he's actually needed
>>343407952
That's two seconds to even freeze the enemy, you still need to line up a headshot
Nearly three seconds to kill a squishy enemy at close range who can still fight back and use his abilities for two of them, not to mention every team instantly intervening and gangbanging her unless you're playing with mouthbreathers
That's why mei is rarely used outside of the shitter ranks, the freeze wombocombo isn't actually great and she's underwhelming in every other aspect. Her wall is her saving grace, but it's not spectacular enough to make up for it
Also, since you mentioned Pharah earlier- if here icicle was anywhere close to as good as you claim it to be, she ought to be able to counter her by shooting her out of the sky easily, no?
No, because it fucking sucks in the grand scheme of things, even though you occasionally land delicious bling headshots for 150 damage at just the right range
>>343372167
why does he off all characters have a deathrattle? its retarded
>guy bragging about getting play of the game with reaper
>he pressed q
>>343372167
His splash damage.
There is a reason Zarya reks shit attacking on Anubis.
>Someone is guaranteed to pick Rat on defense.
>Stand on his spam nades with shield
>Melt face with 100 energy.
>>343408823
>No, because it fucking sucks in the grand scheme of things, even though you occasionally land delicious bling headshots for 150 damage at just the right range
This. I had a game on Pharah against 2 Meis on the enemy team. They can try to shoot you down all they want, but with the 0.5s charge time on her shots and the travel time of the icicles, all they can hope are some luck shots every now and then. Considering their hits are incredibly inconsistent and most of the time hit your body rather than your head, your Mercy/Lucio will casually heal you back up to max before you're anywhere close to dying. On the other hand, you can just shoot all the rockets you want at them as long as there is no S76 or Widow challenging you.
The two Meis I faced against ended up switching characters pretty fast.
>>343408838
>Implying his spatial reasoning and ability to maneuver around the enemy team and ambush them with a Q isn't worthy.
Get fucked shitter.
>>343408643
Ok.
But this still doesn't change the fact that biotic field can't outheal her headshots.
>>343409614
It will heal you to +150 hp before you get hit by the first one. That's the important part.
>>343409530
>He was able to completely silently warp from a location the enemies can't see another location the enemies cant see and jump out from hiding when they're all bunched up and press Q.
True skill right there.
>>343409728
What I'm saying is if you're about to freeze, but manage to drop a BF before you freeze, that isn't going to save you from two consecutive headshots.
Just give DIE DIE DIE more warning time. Right now pretty much the only tell for it is "if he's anywhere near the objective doing anything there's a chance he'll go full fuck shit up mode".
The only time it's obvious it's gonna happen is when they ghost form into your group really blatantly, but there's literally nothing you can do about that because he's invincible and then immediately shitting out his ult.
Yeah, sure, he's at risk because unlike a lot of ults he's slap bang in the middle of it, but with so little warning it's near impossible to take advantage of that consistently.
>>343409758
>Ult requires positioning, tactical thought and good execution and timing
>LOLNOSKILLSHBASHAS
>Meanwhile some faggot is just hopping while holding M1 thinking he has skill
>>343409923
> ghost form into your group really blatantly
You're telling me people die from this?
No, you can't be serious.
>>343409848
You can start moving before the second icicle. It's unlikely that she manages to hit.
>>343388717
Might as well just pop the bubble at that point. It only require like 100 damage to get the 50 charge.
>>343371243
Nobody needs a nerf. Nobody needed a nerf.
People need to stop crying to mommy and daddy Blizzard every time they run into someone who is good with a character.
In other words, git gud you shitters
>>343409923
When I see it coming I make the effort to focus him, but I'm usually fucking Lucio or Mercy or anything that isn't able to deal damage that fast, and it's rare that anyone else decides to focus him along with me. I'll get him down a little but the ults shits all over me too quickly.
>>343409923
If they give more warnings for reaper's ult it'll just be like High Noon where everyone will just run or kill you instantly. The difference is Reaper is most likely to die because he needs to get close to the other team for his ult to do anything
If you're attacking a point or something and you don't see their reaper just be on guard at all times
>playing Cowboy Chronomancer on Lijang
>Reaper does his Wraith Walk toward a group of people
>oh gee, I wonder what he's about to do
>declare the time since we're gonna win anyway
>mfw it actually targeted him in wraith form and I popped it before he could say "Die"
>>343410287 was meant for >>343409987
>>343410301
It doesn't need to be ages before the effect like D.va or something, but just half a second would be nice.
>>343410032
It's absolutely possible to land two headshots on a frozen target. This is fact.
>>343371243
Make it so he can only pick up souls from eliminations he wasn't a part of.
Make it so he can't pick up health packs while in wraith form.
Make it so he can't cast ult until he's actually got his feet planted on the ground.
Change nothing else. Fixed.
>>343410304
>Not just flashing his ass
>>343410430
>he wasn't a part of
****he WAS a part of
>>343410438
Rule of cool, anon.
>>343390153
76 doesn't counter a good Pharra. His damage falloff is too high, and she literally shoots Helix Rockets for her normal attack.
>>343410560
76 is basically the best counter to Pharah.
>>343410560
A good S76 who can maintain a 40% accuracy rating can stop her at any range other than "really, really fucking far away".
A good Pharah can avoid him.
>>343410679
Funny how im better at countering Pharah as Mcree instead of 76.
>>343410560
76's damage falloff begins at 35m. As a comparison, turrets have a range of 40m, and there have been people who thought it was infinite. The damage falloff isn't a huge problem.
>>343390153
76 is very efficient, but he's so middle of the road, it's boring.
>>343371243
He could use a buff, I wish picking up souls would prevent players from being revived
>can pick up healkits and contest points while in ghost bullshit mode
>does retarded dps and melts tanks in 3 shots with almost no reload time
>can teleport miles away
>DOESNT NEED A NERF DURRRR
i wish that turd was deleted from the game altogether
it only appeals to edgy 13 yolds anyway
>>343410879
>I wish picking up souls would prevent players from being revived
That's probably too broken. Every team would rock a reaper then
>>343400293
In the huge tourney that just took place this past weekend (or maybe two weekends ago), Zeny was picked a total of 0 times.
Read the entire post, you fucking mongoloid.
>Play 76
>Golds in everything but healing, silver in that
ALWAYS THANK YOUR SOLDIERS. THEY ARE WHO IS WINNING YOU THE GAME
>mfw Reaper has taken up the mantle of "OP" since McCree got nerfed
Always bitching, you people.
>>343407896
>implying rank isn't a zero sum game
Please bitch more about how you get shafted by MMR and the game is rigged against you.
>anecdotal evidence
How nice.
What you need to do is git gud
>>343408643
>can't hit targets unles they are not moving
try aiming
>>343371243
If he's not op, then counter a group of 6 Reapers.
You can't.
>>343411346
Show your Mei gameplay.
>>343371830
How does junkrat counter him?
I mean he does fine against him but a good reaper won't let a junkrat ever trap him and unless you hit a good combo of bombs and mine he can always run away.
>>343411135
Blizzard's incompetence means that there will always be an "OP" character. The game is designed around rock-paper-scissors mechanics, for a the most part, which means certain characters are very good counters to others.
Characters like Reaper, Roadhog, and Pharra don't have clear counters, but counter numerous other characters in the game. Reaper is at least balanced by his short range, but Roadhog and Pharra both have obscene damage at varying ranges, low cooldown CC, and ults that can wipe the team, on top of having very soft counters.
Basically Blizzard just needs to add more heroes aimed at countering some of the current roster to balance the game out, and it'll be fine.
>>343410810
>it's boring.
I disagree on the grounds that playing a completely regular character against and amongst a cast of completely irregular characters is a fantastic experience if you're beating their ass into the dirty.
Nothing feels better than being able to solo and outplay those cocky faggot Tracer/Genji mains as 76.
>>343411362
Anyone that has range, reaper can't do shit unless they're up in your face
>>343411362
1 Pharah.
CHECKMATE LIBERALS.
>>343376862
>76 can just hold down L1 and still hit 90% of shots.
wtf, are you playing on console ?
>>343376862
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>>343409113
His splash is tiny.
The problem is his bombs bounce around forever but explode instantly if they hit a player.
They should have 1 bounce max or not explode until the timer runs out.
>>343376113
Reinhard player is just good then.
>>343411362
6 Torbjörns.
>>343411513
>Characters like Reaper, Roadhog, and Pharra don't have clear counters
Roadhog exists as a powerful burst damage tank. The counter is that he will definitely feed ults to the enemy team DPS characters way faster. In return, paired with a Mercy, she will almost always have her ult for a push.
Pharah is countered by hitscan, simple as that. Destroyed by critical hits or consistent damage intake.
Reaper, although a tanky edgy faggot, is countered hard by any knockback, destroying his damage output and ruining his ults.
>>343411513
S76 counters Pharah. Pharah counters Reaper.
If you're expecting counters where you win 100% of the time, you're not getting it.
>used to dislike McCree
>he got nerfed
>play him
>learn to aim
>he's now one of the funnest to play as
headshots are so satisfying
>>343412125
Any good McCree player has enjoyed the nerf. The shitters abandoned him and he now takes a semblance of skill to outplay the opponents instead of just LUL FTH 400 DAMAGE.
>>343412257
I basically never use fan the hammer unless I'm up against tanks. Flashbang to headshot kills Tracer anyway. But not Genji, so I guess I should start using it.
Nerf when?
>>343412497
Shields shouldn't absorb explosions.
Shields shouldn't take a whole instance of damage, instead just take away 200 from the total damage.
Barrier is now fitted perfectly to the character instead of being a gigantic bubble whole teams can hide behind.
Decrease ult size just a smidge.
Increase ally barrier cooldown by a lot. Decrease hers just a little.
Any two of these would be nice.
>>343412497
She's fine.
>>343388875
yes,thats why they are called "light" characters, anyone can kill them pretty quickly
>>343412993
>Zarya in literally every comp and quick play match
>can counter almost anything using her bubble shields, even Roadhog hooks
>takes centuries to kill because of her bubble shields, high overall health, and regenerating shield health
>the only tank that Reaper doesn't kill in two seconds
>insane damage boost that is extremely easy to get
>decent laser range combined with explosive right click shot
>ult is the guaranteed potg maker for her or her teammates
She is literally the best tank.
>>343389120
nigger, Reaper is meant to kill all tanks but Zarya
Reaper's counter is bastion /Tobjorn
honestly all heroes than can kill you from afar
>tfw getting good with Mercy just because no one else wants to play her
>tfw picking Mercy and hearing the team go 'Oh thank god, someone went Mercy'
>Just want to play my boy 76
If you cunts know we need a Mercy, why don't you go Mercy?
>>343413123
And she takes time to master, and her shields have rather high cooldowns.
>>343413296
>takes time to master
Not really.
>her shields have rather high cooldowns
So? She only needs one ally shield and one of her own to get full damage boost usually.
>>343413123
>Zarya in literally every comp
? (see pic)
>and quick play match
http://masteroverwatch.com/heroes
Sort by popularity.
>can counter almost anything using her bubble shields, even Roadhog hooks
So can Rein.
>takes centuries to kill
Yeah, she's a tank.
>the only tank that Reaper doesn't kill in two seconds
Incorrect, unless you decide to wait out her barrier, which gets destroyed by 2 shots anyway.
>insane damage boost that is extremely easy to get
Heavily depends on enemy team composition. Also resets when you die.
>ult is the guaranteed potg maker for her or her teammates
Unless the enemy rein gets in it and puts his shield up.
>>343410903
He also does piss damage at any distance farther than spitting range. The only reason why he shits on tanks is because all of them focus on close-range damage. Any other attacking character and most defense characters shit on him.
>>343412926
>Shields shouldn't take a whole instance of damage, instead just take away 200 from the total damage.
Shields DONT takes a whole instance of damage, shields have a limit damage.
Roadhog needs a buff. Some sort of damage mitigation.
Like a Thick Fat passive.
>>343403425
This
>>343413672
>using an outdated comp pic from Beta
wew
>So can Rein
Reinhardt can't give someone who has been hooked a shield like Zarya can. Reinhardt's shield also isn't full 360 coverage.
>Yeah, she's a tank
And other tanks die faster than her by a large margin.
>Incorrect
Correct. Her hitbox is a lot smaller than the other Tanks and shooting her shield just gives her a damage boost to rape the Reaper with.
>Heavily depends on enemy team composition
Not all, considering that most teammates shoot the bubbles and even if they don't she can just wait for the many instances where the bubble will get hit no matter what.
>Unless the enemy rein gets in and puts his shield up
Again, not 360 coverage.
>>343413672
>Zenyatta
>people still defend his current form saying he's alright and doesn't need a buff
>people still complain about Bastion
>>343413724
t. shitter
Except they do, absorbing a tire or d.va explosion
>>343376667
You have to win games to get good rating.
>>343414030
june 23rd was not beta.
>>343414184
Zenyatta's orbs need to be nerfed if he gets any kind of buff.
Discord is far too powerful to be on a 200HP class.
>enemy Hanzo
>scatter arrow at the ground
>free headshot kill
>scatter arrow at the ground
>free headshot kill
>repeat for every kill except when he hits someone with an arrow that obviously missed because of giant hitboxes
This class shouldn't exist.
>>343414654
He clearly needs something.
He has zero place right now. He melts tanks but at what cost, everything else he does is mediocre. His whole skill set is way too situational.
>>343414538
And not get king of the hill, i won 8 out of 10 games, averaged 3 gold medals in every game still only got 52, problem is its based on score from what people are saying so if you get alot of payload maps you may rank higher than someone who wins more koth maps.
>>343371243
Keep your distance. His range is ass and Pharah fucks him up.
How to buff Zenyatta:
Immune to Reinhardt's ult and junkrat's trap. He's fucking floating.
>>343376113
>nerf Reinhardt
Git Gud faggot. Reinhardt is perfect and getting pinned by him means you aren't paying attention.
>>343414753
up his orb of harmony to 40HPs, possibly more
>>343414654
>need to be in line of sight for any of his abilities to work
>gets raped if you're in line of sight
>ult requires you to be stupidly close to your entire team
>get raped the moment it ends
Either buff him to 200 or make his orbs persist out of line of sight. Not both, that would be OP as fuck, but one of those changes needs to happen. Also expand his ult radius to 30 meters instead of 10.
>other team has 2 hanzo
>on attack
>tfw I've won already
>>343411782
Kys
>>343398650
Not necessarily, I used to practice old blue plate specials on T1 maps, and theres a certain muscle memory that sticks with you
>>343413206
because everyone wants to be the star of the show and go pew pew pew on people
no one wants to play the boring but necessary support
>>343413206
>playing game on attack
>pick my boy 76
>2 Genji 1 Hanzo instalocked
>dude we need a healer
>become healer
>lose badly
>leave group
>search for quick game
>get sent to the same group
>>343415821
They're never going to make his orbs persist, they were broken as fuck when that was in the game.
>>343398286
It's obnoxious when you lose in a Pharah duel. Don't get me wrong, mirror matches with a lot of the classes are my favorite.
But what separates Pharah from Soldier is that Pharah can change her direction mid air thanks to her booster. Where as in TF2 unless you're scout, you're getting juggled.
>>343397665
Who cares, if you're good you will get to your proper rating during the season anyway. If you're shit you'll blame DCs and noobs forever like every other shitter.
>>343415351
Rein's ult has some vertical range. You can take a Pharah out of the air if she's floating too close.
>>343417018
I hate this the fucking most. Stop matching me up with the dual hanzo gengi teams Blizzard.
If I personally leave a match I should not be put right back into it when I try to match make.
>>343417364
I once got hit by a Rein ult as Mercy right as I started to fly towards a Pharah high in the air to avoid it. I still got hit by it, so I was stunned and couldn't perform any action, but I was still flying towards the Pharah, so to onlookers it looked like I was just a really hardcore planker.
>>343385973
post the full image of my waifu
>>343371243
It's weird that he has 250hp, health regen and in and out abilities. He's slightly OP.
>>343418179
I generally assume the only reason he has 250 health instead of 200 is so that a Pharah needs minimum 3 rockets to kill him.
>>343418179
His abilities are not that good though. Teleport is useless because the mandatory animations makes him too easy target whether he's teleporting in or out of combat and too long in total to use for simple mobility. Shadow form is decent for getting out of combat, but if you're entering combat with it everyone will just maintain their distance in case you were going to ult.
>>343418757
You teleport out of line of sight and you can get places people won't expect you to be.
>>343371243
They really should nerf everyone except Bastion
>Get play of the game as Junkrat
>Expected Q of the game
>Tire is traveling towards group, etc.
>Suddenly stunned
>Roadhog pulls me INTO the team
>Manage to get the explosion off, killing everybody
>Everybody sees this on the PotG and starts making fun of the Hog player
>He leaves
I didn't even know you could pull the tire until then
>>343412926
>Shields shouldn't absorb explosions.
But she's a natural counter to junkrat and pharah.
>>343421930
How does it feel knowing you made someone upset?
250 goes to 200
Give 25 armor
>>343422502
it feels alright m8
>>343388875
>"light character in 3 shots" falseflagging
>Actually doesn't understand how Reaper can one-shot his limp-wristed noodle characters
Headshots at point blank are fun.
How would you nerf Roadhog's hook?
>>343424132
make it unable to hook from close distance
>>343424132
Make it guided via mouse.
What if
>Dvas mech gets a right click that fires bullets identical to her pistol
Probably need to make it have to reload though, infinite ammo Dva pistol would not only be fuckin' nasty for damage but being able to constantly shit out fire like that at midrange would pretty much make her a suppression fire hero.
>>343416650
you dont practice guessing where the enemy is going to strafe as if you would be able to get it right 100% of the time
>>343424132
Reduce its range. I like its idea, but when a roadhog can hook you from the bridge near point A on Anubis when you're standing on the top of the arc way, something needs to be done.
>>343424132
Literally just increase it's cooldown by a couple seconds, that's all it needs.
>>343424132
Make it immobilize instead of stun, like Junkrat's trap, so some characters can still use their GTFO abilities. Make Roadhog actually have to pick and choose his targets.
>>343388421
Thanks, doc.
>>343403235
>>343396078
do you dumbasses not realize competitive played time is different from overall played time
>>343371559
>Can fire while flying
>Becomes fighter-jet to take down mercy/pharah
D.Va buffed
>>343424132
yeah lemme nerf this pubstomp hero because people are bad yeah no prob
>>343426130
I feel this is the right answer, but I might be wrong. It would also make Junkrat and Roadhog seem like brothers mechanics and story-wise.
>reaper
>nerf
grats, you just bitched about one of the most balanced heroes in game.
if anything he could receive a very slighl buff with a few iframes in his ult and teleport
>>343426356
>I don't pay attention to competitive scene but I still pretend to know something
>>343377792
no you dumb fuck
she's saying
I'M GOING FOR THE THRONE OF STEEL
>>343426573
low rank shitters balance Overwatch: the post
>>343426637
pay attention to what? that he's a mid tier pick with a huge defense bias? Look at the meta report from a few days ago. Lots of teams don't run him at all, and when a team runs him it's almost always on defense and almost never on KOTH. The only people that would ask for a nerf on that are shitters who get rekt by him in their no-rank games.
>>343426573
The reason people are complaining is because he has no hard-counter at his range except maybe Roadhog, even then it's a 50/50 fight if Roadhog misses his hook.
He's not outrageously broken as McCree was, of course.
>>343385973
his right click already had a small cooldown, his reload time was bigger than the normal left click one.
>>343376805
>not showing off the rest of the screen
Is it that bad anon?
>>343426880
Reaper is supposed to be king of close range. I mean, he has dual wield automatic sawn off shotguns.
>Reaper tries to flank and kill me as mercy
>Keep distance and just pistol him down because somehow he does no damage beyond like 10 meters
>He dies or wraiths away
Sleep tight, reap tight
>>343427016
>automatic
lmao
>>343427016
That's why I play him a lot, and I like that McCree doesn't shit on him immediatly now. I wish he doesn't get nerfed, really. He's the "balanced kind of OP".
>>343371243
Flashbang + left click + left click.
If you are not shit at aiming, or he does not jump your flashbang, you can kill him or force Wraith Form. Once Wraith Form is forced you just finish him, or run depending on your health and location of nearby health packs that you can deny him, which of course requires you to have missing health.
>he can't counter Reaper
>>343378689
>Cliche means something is bad
within rank 54, im better than both of you fuck bois. get rekt cuz my dick huge and i cock slap everyone in overwatch. give me ur wiafu bitch widowmaker while i rek u scrubs and slide my colossal shlong down her throat.
>>343427056
>>343427060
MOOOOOOT- oh wait
>>343427060
>>343427056
Reapermind
>>343427137
is this a meme
>>343427137
>54
laughing elf man.jpg
>>343427060
To be fair, mercy's pistol isn't something to laugh about.
Why doesn't Genji get a health buff when he uses his ult? At least 50 would make it viable.
>>343427332
learn to play with your team boi
>>343371556
>stop being a shitter
>pick McCree
>>343411362
6 Pharahs you fucking mong.
>>343427326
mercy pistol is way too strong for what is supposed to be a dedicated support. Need to make it less accurate.
>>343427332
Genji is the only hero that requires gitting gud to be effective with. I don't think buffing or nerfing him would help things much.
>>343371556
McRee sucks now
>>343415675
Better idea, make Orb of Harmony not require line of sight to stay on an ally. It would give him SOMETHING over other healers.
>>343427627
nah
If they return FtH's damage to be back how it was but then give it a 6 second cooldown McCree would be a much better character mechanically without being OP.
>>343427056
>>343427060
sleep tight reap tight
>>343427627
>McCree sucks
>Can still kill everyone that's not a tank with a single RMB
>Ranged damage not nerfed and is still almost sniper tier.
>ctrl v "shitter"
>1 of 20
Stop this meme.
>>343427902
stop being a shitter, shitter
shitty shit shit shitter
>>343427856
His nerf made it so certain characters don't die in his E+RMB combo, which is a huge deal against Reaper.
>Now entering Volskaya Industries
>Prepare to Attack
>Flank Left
>Enemy team panics
>Wreck shit at Point A
>Rush Point B
>Control the fuck out of their spawn and don't let them get out
>VICTORY!
>Team leaves
Feels great family.
>>343398219
Only the cool down needs a nerfs I get it back in 2 second
>>343428001
You can kill Reaper by headshotting him to times m8 during the stun. There's enough time for that without him getting away.
>>343427856
Except his ranged damage was nerfed? 45 damage a bullet effects both right and left clicks dipshit
>>3434222642
>>343428110
Wait, doesn't McCree only have the time for 1 LMB before the stun wears off?
>>343373276
Post more Zenny
>>343428116
It only affected his RMB to encourage mid-range sniping.
anyone else find this game boring as fuck?
it's tf2 but with even LESS depth
a literal retard could succeed at overwatch with so few abilities
>>343428116
You are fucking retarded, read the patch notes again. 45 Damage is only related to Fan the Hammer.
>>343427856
The problem is he's supposed to counter flanker and not burn tanks. A single flash+FtH or headshot isn't enough to kill anyone but Tracer and Zenyatta before the stun ends, and a FtH+roll+FtH is enough to kill every tank except D.Va and most don't have the mobility to escape him.
Also yeah, Zenny really fucking needs a movement increase. He's quite possibly the slowest character there is.
>>343373276
I don't understand what the fuck is going on with Hanzo in the 3rd panel
>>343428393
For good reason. He's a beast.
>>343428380
>A single flash+FtH or headshot isn't enough to kill anyone but Tracer and Zenyatta
Pretty sure math disproves you
6*45 is still 270 which wrecks every character.
>>343428313
But there are more abilities and more classes/characters than TF2 anon..
>>343371559
Why isn't she immune while getting in a mech?
>fly in and take out the turret
>outplay the FUCK out of enemies in non-mech mode by dodging everything and hitting every shot
>get a new mech real fast
>pressing Q to get in the mech guarantees you will die either while getting inside or directly after it
It's the dumbest fucking thing
>>343398219
>Make is so she needs vision to revive
>Revived players start at 25% HP and go up to full heal as long as Mercy doesnt get killed
>>343428518
You cannot get the full FtH before the stun ends. You're not going to kill a Genji before he can Deflect, for example.
>>343428512
That dies in 2-3 hits.
>>343428478
The jagged bit under the blood is his beard, he's been knocked upside down.
>>343428652
Right, I misread your post.
I just want his wraith form to get a nerf
>Reaper comes anywhere close to being in danger, he goes ghost
>Floats away, pretty speedily, to the nearest health pack, and comes back to finish the job his ridiculous shotguns do
He shouldn't be able to pick up health kits, or be healed while he's in wraith form. It's literally a free heal for him
Reaper wraith and Mei ice block shouldn't be able to contest
Zenyatta transcendence should still be allowed to contest since he can still be effected by knockback
>>343428704
No point being a glass cannon when the glass is that brittle.
>>343429027
>this defense character shouldn't be able to contest a point well
think before you post dumb shit, getting a couple seconds free contesting is one of the few things mei has going for her
>>343400467
We had a widow on attack who took out their torb bastion and mercy consistently. our Zarya gets toxic "snipers on attack useless"
Win
potg her killing those 3
Snipers should be situational sometimes you just need one so why do people get salty when they see one?
>>343429067
Problem is that the moment you start taking damage, there's a 95% chance you'll die because you literally cannot get away. Not to mention he melts to Torb's turrets, and can't Discord them.
>>343429215
Then the enemy should be able to break her ice block with enough damage just like her wall
>>343410560
Literally shoot 4 bullets at a time so you don't lose spread and you'll kill her as fast as a McCree.
>>343428704
He's a glass cannon, no doubt.
>>343429290
He melts to anything. Only thing that takes more than a couple of seconds to kill him is ordinary melee.
>>343428850
>>343429027
Wraith form takes away what Reaper is supposed to be doing though, which is getting up in your face and shooting you. Yes it makes him invulnerable and can be a free heal if he finds a health pack, but in the process it puts distance between him and you which makes him extremely vulnerable once it ends, since he's now out of his range and wraith is on cooldown. Even at full health he's easily taken out when he's not in close range.
As for Mei, same thing. A few seconds of invulnerability means jack shit when she's a sitting duck the moment it ends.
>mfw 1v1ing a Reaper as 76
>>343409758
>Silently
Reaper is the loudest flanker in the game
>>343417654
here you go friendo
>>343385973
full pic please
>>343429574
You are retarded. He can ALSO use wraith form to GET in your face, which removes his only weakness, which is close getting in close on an enemy with a range advantagfe.
I wish you could exit wraith form whenever you want like Mei's ice block. That's the only buff reaper needs imo
>>343430321
That does two things.
First: it makes him a very obvious target. Even in the middle of a crowd, people are going to notice the big spooky flying owl moving toward them and they're going to start firing the moment it ends.
Second: it puts wraith on a cooldown so he can't use it as a GTFO button.
>>343371243
>Those hips
>>343430710
That picture's terrible.
>>343430596
And your point? He is not going to sneak kills anyway. Hes not a sniper or a tracer or something. Hes an in your face murder machine. If the entire enemy team is tracking him waiting for him to come out of wraith, your team has several seconds to do whatever they want. And if they don't, he WILL get a couple kills withing a few shots of getting out of wraith. Even if he dies, if he kills 3 people first, it doesn't matter. Death is a low price in this game.
>Nerf this
>Buff this
Every time
>>343430710
>>343430787
Fine here's a 3dpd
>>343430934
>That giant fucking mask and hood
Didn't know Overwatch had DK mode.
Reaper doesn't need a buff
>>343409923
Reaper is one loud motherfucker. This thread is just full of shitters.
>>343430830
>me and my team are all perfectly-skilled amazing players
>the other team are all idiots
Every time.
Any skilled player will keep an eye on Reaper while still fighting his team because anyone who isn't a retard is capable of tracking more than one thing at a time. The only players he's going to kill are low-health players without a mobility, stun, or defensive skill, or retards. Reaper is better off trying to jump from a ledge or walk out of a hallway so he can save wraith as a GTFO ability.
>>343402772
>D.VA
>killing anyone with more than like 50 health left.
Her strict as fuck damage falloff along with her atrocious spread and movement penalty outweighs her upsides by tenfold. I could live with the retarded as fuck crit hurtbox and worthless Ult if she wasn't outdamaged by everyone and their grandma. It's not like she's much to write home about out of Mech since you can instagib her as soon as it dies.
DM is the only reason why she isn't the worst hero in the game.
>>343371243
here's your nerf. Enjoy!
:^)
>>343424132
Allow for hooked targets to strafe the trajectory while it returns back to RH so the hog has to do some reading/prediction in the direction in which they strafe. I also want to see people get thrown across a map after being hooked.
His shift is fucking annoying, but Blizz needs to stay conservative with character adjustments unless they want this game to end up like WoW
>>343371243
Reaper doesn't need nerfing. Blizzard just needs to put out a statement confirming that the character is gay. That'll stop the edgefags picking him.
>>343424132
I would fix it. I hook people and they wind up behind me way too often.
>>343424132
Increase cooldown to 15 seconds, remove stun.
Fan the hammer is no longer a win button and the same should be for the hook.
Mei sucks, people that ask for her nerf are idiots.
>>343427060
Pretty much this. Besides the targets hes meant to destroy can also blow the fuck out of him and make him sleep tight, reap tight.
In short hes balanced. Anyone who is complaining is a tank main who thinks that they should be unstoppable and also do a fuck ton of damage.
>>343398409
>>343398569
Nobody's saying it needed to be a long cooldown. Just make it 4.5 seconds because that's the minimum needed to reload normally and left-click six bullets. It would keep the roll->fan combo while making it impossible to doublefan which was the actual problem.
