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>come home from work every day
>open up /v/ and search catalog
>no Star Ocean 5 thread
What the fuck, guys? You aren't helping me make this purchase. Is it that bad no one is talking about it?
Is the buyers remorse that bad?
>>343348921
I paid $47 for the game on Amazon to see a potato and witch ass, and I got my money's worth.
>>343350149
It is a nice looking booty.
>>343347191
It's fun. Go buy it, poorfag.
>>343350149
how does she even put those clothes on?
>>343350852
With magic
>>343347191
I'm playing it, OP. Having a solid 6/10 jrpg experience so far. Obviously not game of the year, but I'm liking it just fine. Can't wait for endgame grinding shenanigans.
Take this with a grain of salt, though. I'm a /vr/fag and play my ps1/2 rpgs daily.
I've been playing for 7 hours so far andI'm actually having fun.
There's stuff that needs fixing, like the fuck awful camera. In battle, all I see are grass and character butts, out of battle it's bobbing up and down and making me feel ill. Besides the faults, it isn't a horrible game.
>Don't own a ps4
>Love the series
is this hell?
>>343351853
Yes.. because even with a PS4 we don't get many threads for exclusives on /v/.
>>343352339
>No Star Ocean threads
>No Grand Kingdom threads
>PS4 general is dead and people are just posting waifus and anime reaction images
Is vidya kill?
>>343352709
Is Grand Kingdom good? Downloading the demo right now
>>343352709
>Is vidya kill?
Despite what shitposters think, I'm led to believe that Sonyponys are actually a very non-vocal community.
>ps4g full of anime
Sounds about right.
Tell me about her
>tfw Ausfag
Just kill me now.
>>343352802
Endless grind just to compete with the people who purchased it on the 21st.
>>343353074
Sure thing.
>>343352802
It's an interesting take on tactical RPGs. There are 17 classes to choose from, each with their own unique skills, playstyle, AoE's, and attack ranges. There's a class whose skills all involve throwing barrels, for instance. You can place traps, barriers, and towers to give you advantages on the field. Healers aren't relegated to just buffing and healing and can dish out some nasty damage.
Give the demo a shot and see if you like it.
I'm enjoying it. Haven't gotten ym space ship yet.
>>343353458
>That PA where she thinks she's gotten heavier and it's revealed that she has the same outfits in a bunch of different sizes just in case
Anyone else want to see her be THICK?
>>343353597
She already is at a good spot. She's got an ass that's nice.
I was surprised when I learned potatoe wasn't an elf.
>>343353597
She's already plenty thick.
>>343353492
Oh, and you have to watch out for friendly fire.
Has a lot of flaws, but it's better than 4 at least.
>>343353597
She's practically skin and bones. We need to go THICKER.
>Pick this up day it comes out.
>Start playing.
>Digging the mostly seamless design.
>Unlocking roles, upping specalties
>Constantly catch myself staring at DAT ASS.
I need a PA with an ass like that...
Cant wait until I get my space ship.
>>343354447
So do you have to aim for this angle? Or is it just at this level by default?
>>343354835
There are several parts where characters speak during in-game cutscenes. You have full control of the camera during that time.
Just have the MC run behind females and angle the camera.
I'm surprised how SP flows like candy in this one. I remember SO4 it was harder to come by.
>>343355049
In SO4, if you wanted SP you had to build up your grid. God help you if you get hit though and all that carefully crafted work goes down the shitter.
>>343350149
Sweet Jesus, that ass.
One of my friends finished the game in 18 hours
18 FUCKING HOURS for a jrpg
i am going to buy VCHD , fuck this
>>343355746
I see no issue here.
>>343355746
What was his completion percentage?
>>343355746
I hear there is open-ended end-game though.
>>343355746
>Game came out 2 days ago.
>Beat it in 18 hours.
>Guy has spent 18 hours of the last 48 hours of his life just playing SO5.
>>343350149
>to see a potato
Could've gotten the superior potato game, famalam
>>343355746
that's star ocean though, did he do any extra content?
>>343355746
>People complaining a game doesn't waste their time
Wew
>>343355746
>Finished it in 18 hours.
>Probably rushed through game while reading a wiki.
>Ignored specalties.
>Ignored side quests.
>Ignored PAs
>Ignored battle trophies
I could finish it in 18 hours too if I ignore the shit that makes the game good.
WORTH EVERY PENNY
>>343357959She has a penis
>>343357959
So this is the power of the PS4.
>>343358180
What a glorious power it is.
>>343358180
>>343357959
What the hell, is she dynamically getting wetter?
So glad people are actually enjoying it. It's a good SO game, which is all I wanted.
Currently about 14 hours into it, gonna do all the quest and shit before the final bit of the main story. But what I'm finding annoying is how the difficultly just randomly ramps up and continues ramping up midway through the game. You have enemies that will easily take 1/6 of your health on a 5 hit spell or something, and the other 5 members of your party are to stupid to get out of the way, or their AoE is fucking gigantic. Though this seems to be tied to armor giving literally fuck all DEF and MEN.
Is there a way to actually get good armor or something? The 180 or so I get from the store bought ones isn't really cutting it at the moment.
So far I am struggling to find reasons to like this game. It's just bad in so many different ways. It is like they went out of their way to do everything wrong.
- Dialogue is completely fucked. It comes as these random bubbles without the traditional discussion mechanics which makes it a pain to talk to villagers
- Cutscenes are ruined. Instead of having cool camera angles and closeups to make it actually seem like a cutscene, it's just slowing your character to a crawl, locking away most of the area around you, and forcing you to just sit around doing nothing as characters slowly get through their conversions
- Because of this you feel so alienated from the game and if you die you can't skip cutscenes
- You also can rarely even enjoy the stellar character designs and character models because you get this zoomed out pointless shit
- Gameplay is shallow as fuck there is nothing to it and you can only map four skills, two of which will be hardly useful for you because it will be outside your character's preferred range
- You cannot fucking change who you walk around as
- Because of this whenever you go into a battle the camera suddenly jerks to the character you actually want to use which is disorientating. It also does this back to Fidel after every battle.
- Balancing is poor. There is no incentive to do anything but literally spam Double Slash if you are using Fidel. There is no reason to do anything else it does excellent damage, is fast, and consumes very little MP to which can easily be restored with potions
- The camera in general is really fucking terrible you often times can't even see the enemy your character is locked onto
- Gameplay feels so automated that the characters might as well not even move around in a 3D space. It's like Semi-Auto in a Tales game except way more automated. I barely feel in control
It is definitely below average. The boring cutscene system makes me disinterested and the gameplay is dull. It really is a disaster of a game.
>>343347191
What's with that artwork? They look like plastic dolls
I do enjoy the fact that the game has us start as the dim-witted lessers on dust cloud 7 instead of CAPTAIN YONKERS OF TOMORROW ON THE S.S. GET REK'T KID!
>>343358690
Nice pasta
>>343354447
Nah you can fuck off with your imgur and reddit memes. She's perfect. Skinny, but fat tits and ass. Plus her hair and face are gorgeous. 10/10 waifu
>>343347191
Yes it's bad. It got terrible reviews all round.
I'm six hours in and I already like it more than SO3. Didn't bother with 4.
I don't like the "Standing and talking" thing rather than cut scenes. Cuts down on loading but it looks awkward more often then not.
>>343358791
I just wrote it on the spot, but by all means if you can prove to me it is a pasta (instead of actually trying to form an argument or continue a conversation) then I would be quite impressed
>random NPC looks better than pink haired slut
JUST
>>343358910
Thank you for supporting Metacritic, faoomilaman
>>343359180
>Pink
Uh, Anon?
Why does no one mention how jerky ass the camera is?
Also, no weapon model switching with new equipment.
I swear the cutscene system was a placeholder until they actually went in and did real cutscenes. It's especially awkward when you go to the alchemist lady. It's you literally stuck in place (you can't move Fidel around) while you stare at the back of a potion master for minutes on end just talking and doing the same animation over and over again.
I will say that the best thing this game has going for it is the party system. You have seven characters in battle at once and the game handles it relatively smoothly. Changing characters during a fight is seamless and easy. It's also encouraged unfortunately because the AI sucks. They will just get hit by shit all day. That fucking giant floating eye monster hidden boss early on was a disaster until Emmerson and Anne joined because the AI just sit there and take his attacks all day.
So the only real way to have fun is to constantly switch characters to dodge attacks and such. Makes it feel like you're micro managing rather than actually using any one character.
>>343359309
>user reviews show people like the game almost as much as the shills
Anyway the game was getting shat on in Japan for months before it came to the US.
>>343359375
>Also, no weapon model switching with new equipment.
You realize this game was made on about 10 million dollars right? Do you think they had time to model every little bit of equipment to their hearts' desire?
What the fuck is with the story? I feel that it is moving just way too fast and even a bit random.
Like the giant spaceship that Relia was on, even though it crashed and hostiles came out no one in the town even commented on it and Fidel never reported it to anyone. And then they go and drag a literal 12 year old amnesiac into an active battlefield. Because they are worried about finding her parents. And now dear old dad pretty just told me to fuck off to the other side of the continent and even though I'm escorting someone with potentially the power to win the war, the only people going with me are 2 children and a half naked witch.
>>343359453
>Do you think they had time to model every little bit of equipment to their hearts' desire?
Why not, if waifu sims like Atelier Sophie can do it, why the fuck cant TriAce?
>get game
>switch to Japanese voices
>game keeps switching it back to English voices whenever I'm not looking
FUCK YOU
>>343357959
>>343358180
>So detailed you can see the thread weaves
Power.....of.....PS4....wow
>>343359649
Because Atelier Sophie blew a portion of its budget on that while SO blew it elsewhere, probably on cutscenes
>>343357797
Except it does, the game is padded to hell and back. It should be 5 hours long. I feel bad for anyone who bought this, Zestiria is 100x better despite its myriad issues.
>>343359540
I led the troops directly to the open doorway. Half cloaked spaceship? Nothing fishy here.
Every flaw with the game can be boiled down to budget. JRPGs with modern graphics are dead, you can't make them anymore. They require too much investment for how much you get back unless they're named Final Fantasy, and probably not even that given much SE has probably blown on FF15
Too bad you can't change who you walk around ass. I was wanting to do this with titty witch waifu.
>>343359830
Budget is definitely a factor, but some of it is just pure shit design that Tri-Ace can never get right for some reason.
>>343358690
>- You also can rarely even enjoy the stellar character designs and character models because you get this zoomed out pointless shit
Are you fucking telling me that you can't adjust the zoom of the camera in cutscene?
How did they fuck up this hard.
>>343359917
>you can't adjust the zoom of the camera in cutscene
Yes, you can
>game doesn't even have a fishing minigame
>when you go to a fishing spot you press X and it tells you if anything happened
>no fishing animation or anything
>quests are just paragraphs on a quest board
>no real sense of anything going on, no point talking to NPCs
It manages to feel like such a lifeless game despite having a lot of towns and areas.
>>343359375
I've mentioned it. It hurts to look at sometimes.
>>343359180
That's some 9/10 design.
She could fit as one of the main character easily.
>>343359649
Because Atelier Sophie didn't blow its budget on multiple large maps, combat animations, an AI System the user can customize, high poly models, ect...
Atelier Sophie has a barebones jrpg combat system, fairly basic character models, and reused map assets out the ass. Of ocurse they could afford to make the 30 or so weapons unique models.
>>343347191
I played the game, beat the pedophile general and am on the post-game dungeon right now. Galaxy mode. I honestly regret buying this. Spamming attacks felt fun for about 10 hours, but the protect Anne missions were really annoying. There is this tri-system of weak attacks, guards, and strong attacks but spamming strong attacks just beat everything and you end up being encouraged to do so to get through all the grind-heavy areas. To get any character development you have to split your party up in towns and just go talk to them with no real cinematic cutscenes playing. I really enjoyed the way cutscenes were done in Star Ocean 3. t was the battle system (sidekick, sidekick, sidekick) that really needed more depth.
>>343359830
This is the problem with Japanese games in general. This is why I wish the Vita was a bigger success. You can't make modern Japanese games on this hardware because people want it to look like a AAA game and get pissed whenever it isn't. The cost of making a game is so massive these days that a lot of Japanese developers just cannot make the games we saw in the PS2 era.
You can tell they ended up blowing most of their budget on the graphics in this game.
>>343359917
You can but it's awkward to try to move around constantly to get a sense of dynamics and closeups. After the first few cutscenes you'll probably completely giveup and just have a static camera waiting for these lifeless cutscenes to end.
I played every Star Ocean game, even tried Blue Sphere. I liked them all.
I liked the twist in SO3, i liked the crafting system, i love the dumb names, the cringey characters.
As soon as i hear those peculiar sound effects for the menus i feel right at home.
As an eurofag i bought the game digital to play it as soon as possible, it unlocked 4 hours ago, i'm having the time of my life, cancelling shit and linking skills like it's nobody's businness.
I can see why everyone else could give it a 6/10, but for me it's perfect, the music alone brings me back to better times, the mix of fantasy and sci-fi is still amazing, i can only hope this will not be the last one.
>>343359917
There are very few traditional cutscenes. Most of them are literally gameplay with the characters interacting as you play the game. It's part of why the game is about 30 hours long. You aren't being ripped out of gameplay for any five minute long cutscenes. But this also poses a moderate problem as scene dialog will continue even if you start a battle. So you have to adjust in-game volumes and turn on subtitles else you'll probably miss character dialog.
This game really makes me appreciate Zestiria now. At least the combat has some form of complexity to it. An ideal world would be a game with SO5's graphics, lack of loading, presentation, and world design but with the Tales gameplay
>>343360330
FF12 looks pretty good. Why can't they just make a game that looks like that? Would people really not buy it if it doesn't have TESSSSSELATION out the asshole and chromatic aberration over everything?
>Save defaults to "No"
>no autosaving
What
The
Fuck
Still enjoying myself
>>343361002
>This game just feels super spammy
Two can play at that game, Tales-kun. I played Xillia and it was super spammy compared to SO4.
PS: I prefer spammy combat to "LOL FIND DA WEEK POINT" and SO4 was trash while Xillia was tolerable
>>343347191
I am probably going to get the typical, "you obviously have not played the game" response but I didn't enjoy it. I personally feel Tales games are so much more fun than this. Sure Zestiria was mediocre but it fits the bill better of "fun but incomplete" for me. This game just feels super spammy and i usually can't even see the enemies I am attacking because its always this huge light-show. I am surprised none of the reviews criticized that you aren't encouraged to guard/play defensive at all in this game. Abusing ranged combat or just mashing circle for strong attacks is just better. 4/10 game for me personally. I watched one youtube review of the game and agree with him on a lot of the game's negatives. I have not read any of the written reviews yet.
>>343350149
>encounter an enemy
>i'm not using fidel so the camera suddenly jerks way back to the character im actually using
>because fidel always is way ahead of the group the other characters are far behind him when a battle starts
>my character (Fiore) is at the edge of the screen when the battle starts
>if I don't immediately run forward instead of channeling a spell, the game counts it as an Escape attempt
This is so fucking stupid. Why can't you control other characters when walking around? You should just walk around as the last character you were in battle. It would make things so much more seamless.
>>343351853
Its been announced SO5 is coming to PC.
http://gematsu.com/2016/06/square-enix-considering-star-ocean-5-pc-port
>>343361739
>"considering"
Don't buy it, mooster race. It's horrible. Maybe when it's on sale for 3 bucks
>>343358690
>you can only map four skills, two of which will be hardly useful for you because it will be outside your character's preferred range
That's how Star Ocean has worked since the 1st game, you braindead moron. You have long range and short range attacks. Each have their advantages and sometimes maybe you want to get into long range with a sword user so you can use certain long range skills that are good and helpful in battle.
I can just tell you're a fucking Tales sperg that's just used to spamming all his skills on enemies.
>>343361449
>super spammy
>>343361449
Yeah the battle system is really shitty. It's supposed to be based around a kind of rock paper scissors, but the mechanics don't actually work well with it.
>strong attacks are usually too fast for you to do a weak attack on reaction especially when you can just dodge anyway
>strong attacks will beat guard and usually hit people before they can weak attack anyway
>ranged characters have no reason to care about the triangle system because guard is not something they need to do in most situations
It's like they didn't even test the game before releasing it. You can indeed just spam strong attacks or just keep alternating between X and O over and over again.
>>343361314
I'm only about 30 minutes in, but it doesn't seem that spammy. Even though it's only X and Circle.. it seems more like timed attacks than spamming. I've gotten this bonus only up to 175% but how high can it go?
>>343361870
But then how could i map 15 different type of elemental shit to any button on my pad to counter the other 15 elements every enemy has? Didn't you hear the news? Since Tales Of does it, to be fun and smart you must have like 200 different forced counters to keep in mind!
>>343354447
She's actually not that heavy. If you read her bio on the game's encyclopedia, she's 5' 3" and 99 LBS. Literally a good portion of that weight went to her T&A.
>>343361978
I got to 225% on a cathedral boss. I think it just keeps rising, but the timing gets harder and harder each time.
Whats the max level on specialties?
>>343361596
This happens to me constantly. It's fucking annoying. It's so easily fixed if they had just let you change the party leader but NOPE. Can't have that. Have to self insert as that bland MC all the time.
>>343347191
I am surprised no one is mentioning how all the battle dialogue drowns out the other characters talking to you. If there is dialogue going on mid-battle, good luck without subtitles.
Can you get multiple copies of skill books later on? I don't want to fuck up and get skills that are useless.
>>343355746
Theres been a decent amount of RPGs that are under 20 hours. Mega Man X Command Mission was around 15 hours to finish the main story.
>>343357458
>that's star ocean though
Past SO games were longer. 3 and 4 were 50+ hours long. 1 and 2 were 20-25 hours long.
>>343362462
50 hour main stories are a mistake. 30-35 is ideal
>tfw AI Fidel is better than me
Guess I'll just stand here with Miki while it fucks shit up
>>343362462
SO4 also had those long ass corridors, overworlds, towns, etc you had to walk through to pad it out with zero fast travel options.
>>343362462
1 was about the same as SO5, maybe even a bit shorter.
2 was not 20-25, it was more like 35-40.
3 was long as fuck, probably 50-60
4 was 40-50.
>>343361973
>>343361926
Hey if that style works for you then it works for you. More power to you if that is the case but I am not having fun with it. I agree with the scores reviewers are giving it, but my reasons are much different than theirs and I feel some of the critic reviews just dump on story and ignore the archaic design flaws.
>>343362686
For me the length of 4 was about 50-60 also. I kept getting lost and taking forever in some the dungeons because the rooms all looked too similar for me, particularly the Lizard man ship.
Did Miki fuck Ted?
>>343360330
>You can't make modern Japanese games on this hardware because people want it to look like a AAA game and get pissed whenever it isn't. The cost of making a game is so massive these days that a lot of Japanese developers just cannot make the games we saw in the PS2 era
I wonder why, though. Can't japanese devs license some good engines and catch up to the tech/graphics standard set by the western devs?
Its puzzling that they are this far behind.
>>343358180
What the fuck?
...I've been convinced to buy it.
>>343360347
If you're having fun that's great. I personally think the game is very mediocre but I'm glad fans like you exist where you try to understand where other gamers are coming from rather than attacking them because they don't like what you like.
>>343362906
Textures and modeling are what cost time, and therefore money, anon. The things that have to be made fresh for the game, because the last one wasn't current console gen. Plenty of japanese games are already running on Unreal, it's not the engine that's the issue here.
>>343362906
Because they don't want to run their dev companies like the American Publishers do.
Modern AAA games with these $100 MIllion plus budgets spend the greater part on advertisements. THey want to sell the game to as many people at once as they can before the stench of shit shuts the doors.
Japanese games tend to try to be games and stick to their roots.
>>343362906
Its the squarecube problem.
Western Movie games can keep looking better because their mechanical and spatial dimensions scale easier with the amount of work necessary.
Easier to make a hallway look better and better thab an open world.
Only Rockstar has the resources to really keep up.
>>343362906
>tech/graphics standard set by the western devs
You just named the problem. It costs too much money to do that. Part of the reason why the Western game market is so shitty is because all you can have are small budget indie games that were kickstarted, or massive AAA games. The budget of a Japanese game in general is going to be way closer to the indie games than the AAA games. Only a few Japanese companies like Square Enix have historically made massive highly expensive games, and even then it was only for some of their titles.
When you have to spend millions of dollars just to have graphics people might accept as worthy, you're completely fucked when your budget barely covers that.
The amount of backtracking with sidequests is outrageous. There's no fucking fast travel either until late game I hear and the game loves to lock you out of areas by forced story segments so you'll some times have to put stuff on hold. Wish faggot Fidel could at least run a little faster. Looking at the guide it looks like I'll still be returning to these same areas even late game. What the fuck. It's like there's only a handful of areas in the entire game.
>>343363478
You can resolve them at any questboard
>>343362462
If you went and did everything you could before post-game/discluding Trial dungeon:
SO1 = 30-40-ish hours (if you got the right item drop at the beginning it could be even shorter)
SO2 = 40-60-ish hours
SO3 = 60-80 hours
SO4 = 60-140 hours
>>343361314
Well I never mentioned Xillia in my post, but the unique combo arte attacks and sidestepping, made the game more enjoyable to me. Xillia still had plenty of issues but still felt less brain dead to play. I felt that you got over leveled way too easily in that game, and those Devil weapons were beyond broken. I personally think SO4 was garbage too so we agree there?
>>343363952
>sidestepping
>tfw doing a good sidestep as jude and teleporting behind everything
>>343363952
Too bad Xillia was retardedly easy and the most unbalanced Tales game in existence.
>Snap Pivot makes it impossible to be hit as Jude
>Rowen manual spamming tidal wave can stunlock every boss in the game
>>343364770
That's the sad part, Xillia was the definition of mediocrity but it's still better than SO5.
>>343364881
Xillia was the worst tales game I ever played
>>343365068
I agree. Even Zesty is better than X1. I hated EVERYTHING about X1. X2 is better by just enough to be better than Zesty.
>>343365068There's quite a few Tales games you haven't played then.
>>343363035
That's good news.
Is there censorship?
Is there Japanese voice with English subs?
>>343365171
i'm finally playing through Zestiria right now and I don't see how people thought it was so awful, but I simultaneously don't see how anyone thought it was their favorite. The world is so forgettable, and all of the seraph characters are huge nothings. Sorey is way better as a protag than something like Lloyd or Jude but he pales in comparison to Yuri or even Luke. Rose is one of the most blatant Mary Sue's in Tales history, but she does have her moments, and Alisha was not worth all the hype the elevens dumped on her. She's basically just Estellise mashed into Hilde from SC4.
The gameplay is my biggest issue though, even on Hard mode every fight feels exactly the same. There's so little beyond "match up the right type weaknesses" that I began avoiding random fights after a while.
>>343365189
I've never played Innocence or Tempest, and I hear those are the worst ones
Legendia is definitely the worst one I've played, Xillia one isn't even close to as bad
my top 3 are Destiny, Eternia and Vesperia
>>343365171
The only thing a liked was parts of the battle system and Milla's battle themes
Everything else felt like an enormous disappointment even for a tales game
Especially the blatant copy+paste on almost every single area
I'll give it a try when they release it on PC, if I even care about it anymore at that point
>>343365494
>The gameplay is my biggest issue though, even on Hard mode every fight feels exactly the same. There's so little beyond "match up the right type weaknesses" that I began avoiding random fights after a while.
wait until the 2 on 2 duel withrose and zaveid, thats the battle that made me truly learn the combat system
>Reached the research lab in the desert
>Properly prepared(level 35, up to date equipment, roles at level 5 or 6)
>Get to the boss fight
>Sudden difficulty spike
>They hit fucking hard literally killing my party members in 1 or 2 shots
>If Anne falls in this battle, game ends
What is this bullshit?
>>343365440
Only edited content is Miki's pantsu being made bigger. Which isn't really censorship, just a decision by the developers. Both NA/JP versions have the edit.
There is dual audio, too.
>>343365440
>Is there censorship?
Miki's panties were made slightly larger.
>Is there Japanese voice with English subs?
Yes.
>>343365715
I already did that. I'm right past the Hippogriff fight now
>MFW BASED Crispin Freeman voices Victor in this game
Fuck yeah!
Roles are fun as fuck to grind oddly enough. Fuck though, no fast travel at the moment and have been running all over for completing quests and shit. Battles are a ton of fun though especially with them happening so quickly. Just got to the part whenafter the ship gets blown up and they take away the girl again
Those fuckers that made me run all over the place just for skillbooks so far will pay for this suffering.
>>343365494
I've only played the PS3 version via importing it so I imagine they fixed some issues for the PS4 and PC versions. Zesty had a lot of glitches, framerate issues, and general performance problems. That combined with its bland cast and world made it a not so enjoyable title for many people.
But yeah I'll take Sorey over Jude any day. I fucking hate Jude what a shitty character.And yeah the Alisha fiasco was completely retarded. She's nothing special as a character. The gameplay mechanics aren't shit, but they are definitely a step in the wrong direction when compared to Graces. Late game Zesty fucking sucks too. It makes you not even want to fight.
>>343362686
SO 2 could easily be beaten in 20-25, but you literally had to be doing bullshit like craft eternal sphere, pick pocket 2x battle suits and beeline to the end of the game and skip the best part of the game (CoT)
>>343366214
I think it's too bad because the core story is one of the best in a Tales game in recent memory, especially considering how much antagonism there is towards Sorey and the fact that he looks like a nutjob, but they do nothing with it. They just keep pretending with Lailah like "hey it'll get great soon, just hold on a bit longer!"
also while Meebo and Lailah are just dull, holy fuck Edna and Dezel are AWFUL, Every time they're in skits I skip through them
I don't normally give two shits about reviews, but these are pretty damn low. I was all for it after the confirmations on no censorship and jap voices, but this is making me question it again.
>>343366536
don't waste your money
>>343366536
read the reviews themselves
several of their complaints are "it's a JRPG and I don't like JRPGs"
the only real issue is the combat AI is KH2 donald tier
>>343366536
its average
>>343366536
Wait for the price to lower then.
Or the PC version if that turns out to be true.
>>343366807
>the only real issue is the combat AI is KH2 donald tier
ha, you really think thats the only issue?
>>343366536
the game is ok, watch for a sale
>>343366214
>>343366494
How is SO5 compared to Zesteria?
Somehow managed to finish Zesteria on PC just to see how it ends and thought the game was pretty fucking bad. I've also already forgotten how it ended which says a lot about how bad the story was
>>343364770
Sure? You act like I'm against your argument but I am agreeing with you on most points. Xillia was a mediocre game but I still had for more with it than this Star Ocean.
>>343366848
Good call, ill go with this, or it will be cheaper by the time I realize there isn't a pc release.
So when is Square Enix going to fix the trophies so the list isn't in Japanese when you look at the Recent Activities?
>Tri-Ace got bought out by some mobile company
There's your answer.
>>343366941
About the same overall
Better cast of characters, worse story, better world, worse combat after you get the full party because holy shit the AI is awful and it's a damn cluster fuck
>>343367031
The sad thing is that this was probably their last hurrah with console games.
>>343366941
I didn't enjoy Zestiria or Star Ocean Integrity and faithlessness so I doubt you will. I honestly had more fun with Zestiria though because I enjoy the art style more and I like the combo attacks with artes. Star Ocean feels more like a strong attack slugfest that has some strategy when it comes to juggling, timing and airing enemies, but you don't really need to think about that. I'm just mashing circle and x and kicking the game's ass on galaxy mode.
So what's in the locked chests everywhere and when can you open them?
>>343366536
People like to give Metacritic a hard time and rightfully so, but there are also "sheep" at the other end of the spectrum who can't take criticism of their game even when other fans and not reviewers criticize it. I wouldn't blindly trust reviewers, but I also say, don't just meme or dismiss reviewers because they think the game has critical issues. I like Star Ocean and think this is game is ok, but I also fully understand the complaints and don't think these reviewers deserve the hate they are getting.
>>343366941
This game is much much worse than Zestiria. Shallower combat, worse music, shittier cutscenes (at least Zestiria had the occasional Ufotable), cheesier writing, ect.
>>343368023
>Worse music
How to spot an incredible pleb.
>>343367082
>>343367306
>>343368023
Looks like I won't be playing this then. The whole AI controlled team members is not really something I like in the first place
>>343368093
Yeah no. Go Shiina is a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAZSuJ91CL4
>>343368023
>cheesier writing
>implying Tales doesn't always have the most cringe-worthy characters
pls r u even trying
>>343368023
>worse music
Wow that's an objective untruth
Zesty's music was easily one of the worst elements, Sakuraba's tracks were a fucking joke
>>343368230
>Go Shiina
He's pretty good, not even close to Motoi Sakuraba though.
>>343367659
Bump for answer, p-
>>343368279
Go Shiina's stuff alone puts it above anything ever composed for Star Ocean. Sakuraba's tracks are the same shit across every game, you either like it or you don't.
Miki is fat
>>343363241
>Japanese games tend to try
I understand where you're coming from but I'm 10 hours into this game and it needs "to try" harder. Theres this point where I have to protect this character from dying, but the enemies just Zerg rush her ass and I have to start over again and watch an unskippable cutscene again and again. Do I need to git good? Sure. Good design? Not so much.
>>343368527
Sakuraba is very hit or miss the more I listen to him. I thought his tracks for Dark Souls 2 were boring, lazy garbage iterations of his previous work. I thought his music for Dark Souls 3 was phenomenal. Can you even say he "worked" on this Star Ocean since they flat out re-use most of his old tracks?
Not gonna lie ive never played a Star Ocean before and im having decent fun but this is some of the most high level critical discussion i can remember on v
>Bad AI
If you set them up right they'll destroy monsters and you won't even have to do anything.
So some anon earlier was talking about wasting tomes.. I just found this Solar Signet Vol 1.. are these tomes for specific spells? If I wait will she find another skill that could also use this tome?
>>343369464
The work is popular enough to attract a sustainable mass of discussion, but not popular enough to attract the a critical mass of contrarian shitposting.
>>343369671
People complain about that when they've never micro managed a SO game before.
Never touched an SO game before. How does the combat flow? Is super-micromanagement a thing? I was a sucker for that playing CRPGs growing up and pausing at the drop of a hat to change tactics and was wondering how much I would need to lean on setting up my AI partners to "do the right thing".
As someone who loves SO3 and hates SO4, would SO5 be up my alley?
So far only die hard Sonyggers are defending SO5 for some reason
>>343370004
Not really, combat comes down to mashing buttons in this game.
>>343370004
I'm about 3 hours in and so far it seems somewhat strategic. You can assign roles and the AI plays off of what you have assigned. You can pause and issue commands but unfortunately it resumes combat after each command you issue... so you can't issue a command to all 7 members and then resume. Gotta cast, pause, cast, etc.. Once again though I'm just starting.. could get more complicated going in. Not sure. It's pretty fun though
Anyone complaining about the camera in battle literally never played the game
You can always move the camera and if you are too lazy to move the camera yourself then it wasn't the game's fault for your stupid ass
The game has problems but not the battle camera
>>343370062
Could it be because every fucking game except the first one was on Sony consoles and only people that grew up with a PSX experienced Star Ocean The Second Story back in the day?
>>343369673
Characters share tomes and they unlock different skills based off of what character you use them with. From what I can tell you can get multiple copies of them, but I'd save them for the other character that can use them and then use the extra to level up your spells.
So Pink moeblob and Tittywitch share them. Bland Protag and Blonde Swordsman share them. Crossbow Senpai and Strong Independent Monk share the others.
>>343370062
>PS4 exclusive
>hurr only Sonyponys are defending it!
Uhhh.. are you mentally special?
>>343369464
Maybe the more time you spend on /v/, the easier it gets to confuse being highly critical of a game with shit-posting? The battles are fun but get stale after about 15 hours in. Zestiria had similar problems but the combo artes and fusion attacks never got tiring for me whereas this game will probably be collecting dust on my shelf after this week is over. Its honestly a very forgettable mediocre game. Also Edna was more enjoyable to listen to than any of the characters here. Superior imouto compared to Rellia.
>>343370010
I think so. I love SO 1-3, hated 4, and 8 hours in I don't regret picking up 5. It has its own charm.
>>343370270
no it literally comes down to spamming like every SO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuzATaXzScI
>>343370062
You're an idiot
>>343370010
That is a hard question. I liked 3, I thought 4 was garbage, and I think 5 is not a bad game but also not a good game. I would say below average to mediocre. It looks and plays similar to star ocean 3 with the overall package of content watered down. Most of Fidel's skills (and character model) are copy-pasted from previous Star Ocean games. You can either interpret that as laziness or fan service. It all depends on how forgiving you can be to technical flaws.
>>343370638
>links a video where the guy switches to the archer and spams arrows
Hey here's an idea, if you want the game to be fun, how about you just NOT do that?
>>343370976
Sounds like...my kinda game? On a budget i guess. General consensus is rent it, or wait for significant price drop. Thanks guys. Watched some gameplay and wasnt too pleased but SO isnt necessarily the same between all players. Ill buy it and blog about it later i guess. Thanks again
>>343370062
Thats not true, it's mainly either jaded gamers stuck in the Star Ocean PS2 days of badly located save points or JRPG gamers new to the series who need a game to kill time over summer. I don't think the game is good or bad. It's a below average game that won't attract too much more discussion until the inevitable PC port.
>>343371209
The uploader is me. I;m just saying, the bosses are poorly designed and the most efficient playstyle is spamming.
>>343371209
The way the system is designed, it encourages you to either spam ranged or spam strong melee attacks. Its easier so why not? The game should give you reasons to actually employ the tri-system rock-paper-scissors of strong, weak, and guard attacks so I would like to see this patched. Whenever there is a "best" way to play the game, thats a big red flag.
Holy shit you can see Welch's panties if you aim the camera just right. Now that's attention to detail
>>343371424
>>343371741
You can easily get through SO3 spamming Fayt or Maria skills too, so why are you singling out SO5 for this?
I don't see how the game is forcing you to play this way. This should only be something you have to do if you're speedrunning the game or something.
>>343370004
Ignore the posts here saying you need to have some intellectual grasp of strategy to beat the game. I've played it on CHAOS mode and without a doubt spamming strong attacks is grossly overpowered and by far the easiest way to beat the game. You can force the game to be strategic by playing in that style but there are no advantages to that over spamming strong attacks. I subjectively think this is poor design but it works for some fans.
>>343371424
>the most efficient playstyle
t. Autists
>>343372101
It's tricky.
>>343372159
Do I need to clarify that the whole SO series is bad? I'm "singing out" SO5 because this is an SO5 thread.
>>343370638
>running around on the edge of the battle spamming a move
>your entire team is dead or dying
>hurr this is the best strategy!
To be honest, it really just looks like you're bad at the game.
>protect Anne
>>343372159
>>You can easily get through SO3 spamming Fayt or Maria skills too.
As in solo killing the Ethereal Queen by spamming Sidekick? Yes I know, in fact I actual did that. To me that was a problem with Star Ocean 3 and an outdated battle system that should be revised by today's standards. To you it clearly is not. They had a good idea coming into this game with the rock-paper-scissors system of weak attacks, strong attacks, and guards all beating one-another. Tri-Ace just failed to execute it well.
>>343372483
SO3 is one of the funnest action RPGs on the PS2 if you aren't a sperg and play to have fun instead of spamming SIDEKICK to satisfy your autistic need to see the biggest numbers possible.
>>343372449
I spent like a minute trying to see if you could see her panties. I just gave up and settled for being able to see her ass cheeks. Pretty based.. well done, anon.
>>343372596
I'm stuck on that part. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>343372680
Wanting an action RPG to have challenge and depth has nothing to do with autism. Play KH2 FM on Critical mode.
>>343372752Get used to it, it happens more later
>>343359309
Wasn't even talking about metacritic. I never pay attention to that ridiculous site.
>>343372449
Can she rock a rhyme?
>>343372752
>>343372596
Giving Anne the Dead Man Walking role maxed out makes those sections pretty easy. God help you otherwise.
>>343350149
>that booty is literally a square
Sonyggers , not even once
>>343373025
Something like that.
>>343373169
Working on taking better shots.
>>343372548
He's fighting one of the harder optional bosses in the game and on CHAOS mode I believe which is notoriously difficult. If this is on CHAOS mode I would not be surprised if he's better at the game than you are. All I can say is I beat the game as well, and you just mash the circle button and x button because strong attacks are overpowered. On the harder difficulties boss like this guy can use gigantic AOE nuke attacks that kill everyone really fast because the increase in party members means you all die faster. I'm not going to pretend that I'm some fucking pro Star Ocean player, the combat just doesn't have much depth.
>>343373109
How do you get Dead Man Walking?
>>343373261
>ass still a square
and you want me to buy your shitty game ?
>>343366536
>I don't normally give two shits about reviews, but these are pretty damn low.
Do you really think you can trust Kucktaco to review a JRPG?
>>343372596
I'm baffled none of the critics brought this Anne bullshit up. How are these protect Anne battles fun to you guys? This along with the damn camera were the deal breakers for me.
>>343373434
It's PS4, bra, not GTX1080
>>343373269
The guy posting the video said spamming is the most efficient method of battle. Which may or may not be true. Regardless though, having your entire party dead means you're doing a shit load less damage to the boss. That doesn't seem very efficient to me. Hell, there's even a part where he dies and switches to Miki. Literally almost had a game over and he's talking like he's some genius at the game.
Most games have a method of being cheap, and if you choose to be a cheap then fuck you that's your own fault. Doesn't mean the game is designed poorly just because you decide to abuse a certain playstyle.
>>343371272
Well my opinion in the end doesn't matter. I did not think it was a very good game just through the technical issues (awkward save points, protect Anne, imbalanced combat) and undercooked characters. I plan to sell my copy on Amazon, but if you have fun with it thats all that matters.
>>343373284
Level Necromancer to 3. You get Necromancer from Shrewd Overseer and Pulverizer.
Dead Man Walking is borderline game breaking when it's maxed out. It negates all battle damage to whatever character it's on and instead just slowly drains their health. Put it on your healer with Sage and they're pretty much invincible as long as they have MP. It also keeps Anne alive pretty easily in those horrid sections.
I've tried playing it for two hours and I simply can't get into it. I don't know what it is. Like...they just...throw you in? Like you just meet characters and they're like "Hey okay cool lets go" and I'm just...I'm confused. What even is going on in this game? Eh.
>>343373819
>>Literally almost had a game over and he's talking like he's some genius at the game.
Maybe? I don't know this guy and didn't upload the video. I even mentioned I don't think I'm "pro" at this game or anything, but regardless I've beaten most of Star Ocean's optional bosses (Freya, ethereal Queen, Gabriel) and you have to understand here, higher difficulties mean exponentially increased health on bonus bosses. I'm talking millions of hit points, so if you don't take advantage of spamming strong attacks you can expect the bonus bosses to take forever to beat. If you don't believe me, feel free to play the game on Chaos mode yourself and see how much of an HP sponge these motherfuckers are.
>>343373819
The game is shallow as fuck regardless, try as you might to squeeze as much challenge out of it as possible by not spamming.
>>343374118
Completely balanced gameplay and non-abusable system boys. Not saying Tales series is infinitely superior but stale ocean sure takes the cake for broken combat systems.
>>343361596
FUCK.
I think I remember not being able to change the character you control in the overworld in SO4 as well.
>>343375249
The funny thing is that Tri-Ace were taking shots at Tales prior to this game's release when they couldn't make something better than fucking Zestiria. laughing at the people defending SO5 in this thread.
>>343368093
nigga zesteria's music was the only good thing about it, its easily one of sakuraba's best with go shiina on the side.
still pissed go shiina can only compose for bad games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUPPJJAEAmk
hes so fucking good
>>343375249
>>343375462
>>343375631
All these tales fags in a SO thread.. how insecure do you have to be about your game to come into a good thread and shitpost? Is Zestiria that bad too?
>>343375631
My hype for Berseria died when I heard Go Shiina isn't working on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7uxxyGR-z4
>>343376009
>"Then, we have seen Star Ocean 5, Square-Enix said that SO3 sold around 500k but SO4 sold around 300k, they want to return to 500k,
to make it they said they shouldn't fail like Namco with Tales of. The last Tales of (Zestiria) had very bad critics because the game was half-assed and then they completed it with DLC.
Blame Tri-Ace producer for trying to shit on Zestiria then putting out an even shittier game.
>>343376245
Did they hit the goal? I want them to make a good star ocean game but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>343348921
I'm liking it, it feels really fucking old school which is good I guess
>>343376009
Zestiria, SO5, and #FE are the trifecta of average bladness.
I don't know why #FE is getting away with it from critics and SO5 is getting hit harder.
They're all 7/10 at best.
>>343376009
I'm not putting Zestiria on a pedestal at all? It was a weak Tales game but it got some improvements through the DLC. I have extreme doubts that a DLC with Star Ocean will even be attempted unless the PC sales are sky high for some reason. I doubt they'll even patch the game to fix this jarring battle system.
>>343377296
#FE has the best gameplay of the three.
I feel like there isn't any real reason why you control characters in this game. If anything controlling them from a top down perspective like you would Warcraft makes more sense. You don't need to do anything. The AI plays themselves just fine because there are so few options in this game. You might as well just use the archer and set a turbo controller to X.
I was hoping the melee characters would be fun, but it's really no different. You just spam O. If you take damage you'll be healed by the AI. There's no point working with the triangle system because it doesn't mean anything
>>343377952
tri ace are hacks
I wonder if I would like Star Ocean 4 more than this game. I'm not a fan of how shallow the gameplay is in this. It's a shame because I really like the music, graphics, character designs, character models, and overall setting and style. It's just so lackluster everywhere else
Is Star Ocean: Second Evolution worth it? I'm barely in it, going back to the mines to fight some dragon, and it just seems ok. Some of this dialogue makes me want to throw my PSP out the window.
I going into this totally blind, if it matters.
>>343377296
It probably has to do with a reason why so many anons have picked it up.
>>343377296
Because it's got style and the combat mechanics are better than any other jrpg in recent memory. The game isn't that good but when nearly every other jrpg is absolute dogshit even mediocre games get some praise.
>>343378759
I guess I just can't separate #FEs combat from other better Atlus games.
Sessions is far from the best iteration of the weakness system, it's obnoxious to set up and ends up making battles longer and more boring.
Would much rather have one-more or all outs.
>>343379037
no sessions are fine, its the damn animations
they need to take a lesson from DDS
>>343378502
I can imagine it being pretty hard to get into these days; the combat used to be one of the biggest draws and well, it has not aged well in the least, you are basically just spamming a single move the entire game. Private actions are still neat though all these years later and it is kind of cool how much you can break the game by knowing which skills to take and crafting shit.
>>343379037
>one-more or all outs.
fucking pleb, i just want the nocturne system without smirk
>>343379281
so like star ocean 4 or 5, damn shame
series really isnt that inspired
>>343377296
I think people are shitting on SO5 a little too hard I agree it's pretty damn average.
But in the case of Zesty it was a game that did not function properly. I can't speak for the Western release, but the original PS3 version had a bunch of glitches, was ridiculous with its DLC, had poor pacing, and was just a huge mess in general
Holy shit I can't unsee Emmerson as just being an older blue haired Francis York Morgan. A lot of his dialogue is similar in execution too.
>>343379289
>Final still uses Smirk
/sigh
>>343379682
Played the west PC release, worked fine the whole way though and they gave away the DLC, so didn't experience that mess.
Biggest problem I had is the union shit making 90% of of new equipment worse then the old.
I just want to equip this new sword and have it be better.
>>343377296
I respectfully disagree. I think #FE while over rated is the best of the three, Zestiria is average but colorful fun. Star Ocean is at the bottom of my recent slew of RPGS and feels more like a chaotic button masher where I destroy my circle button, with no subtitles you hear characters talking over each other, and there are game breaking abuses in the battle system (dead man).
I can't play this game for more than two minutes at a time without stopping and trying to take more pictures of Fiore.
