ITT: great games dismissed because of the franchise they belong in
>>343342434
>Fallout 3
>great
>>343342434
>bad games praised because of the franchise they're in
FTFY
Nah, DOOM 3 is pretty shit, no matter which edition you're playing.
The game itself relies on jump scares which just grow tiresome with time with the plot being just utter shit, and the BFG edition just kills whatever little atmosphere the game had before while somehow making the game look worse.
DOOM 3 is the result of what happens when you just let Carmack run the show. It was more or less just a tech demo for idTech 4's lighting and nothing else. It obviously wasn't a DOOM game, and it wasn't even a good horror or FPS game.
Thank fuck they rebooted the series, otherwise we would've just gotten another idTech engine demo but with a COD skin.
The new DOOM obviously does showcase the strengths of the idTech 6 engine, but not in a way that the engine takes priority over the game. That's how game design should be.
>>343343114
>DOOM 3 is the result of what happens when you just let Carmack run the show
then explain quake 3
I don't care I loved Doom 3.
>>343343362
He can't. He probably couldn't even begin to explain what he specifically did not like about Doom 3. I remember how angry the other gets used to get in grade school when the teacher would say "but WHY do you think that?" War never changes.
>>343343362
Quake 3 is what happens when you let the community run the show.
id knew that most people just played Quake for the MP, and it was also during a time where arena shooters were in their heyday.
Quake 3 wasn't made to be some sort of flashy tech demo, it was made to be a game, and a damn good one at that.
>>343343974
Quake 3 was top tier technology at the time, just like doom 3 was. So by same standards it literally was a tech demo
>>343343667
>doom 3 apologists
Holy shit, not even him. He clearly explained why the game was bad. The horror was weak, the gunplay was boring, and the levels were linear and forgettable
>>343342137
>>343342434
>>343343940
>>343344282
I'm waiting.
>>343344117
Yes, but the game was not centered around the engine's tech. Not once did Quake 3 essentially make you stop and admire its lighting or texture work like DOOM 3 did.
Quake 3 was gameplay first, technology second, whereas DOOM 3 was technology first, gameplay second.
haha I'm just kidding it's still shit
>>343342137
The problem with Doom 3 is hindsight: Both the first FEAR and Dead Space games take this game's concepts and do it better.
there literally isnt a better fps horror game than doom 3except maybe cry of fear
>>343344754
But FEAR is not a horror shooter, it just has spooky moments between otherwise more standard shooting.
>>343342137
4 to a lesser extent.
I've come to learn that Classic REfags are some of the worst fans imaginable. They will just not accept anything that's not their classy and sophisticated ammo conservation game. Even the early games had rocket launcher bullshit in it. Get fucked.
>>343344931
Like the old Doom games then? They were action above all else.
>>343345310
Yes.
>>343344165
>The horror was weak, the gunplay was boring, and the levels were linear and forgettable
So like the original
>>343345626
No.
I bet you faggots loved d44m
kys
>>343342137
doom 3 was the worst, slow paced, try hard horror, FUCKING FALL DAMAGE. kys
Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. I was always a party game/shooter type of kid and even though I had an N64, adventure games and platformers were never my thing. The only platformer/adventure game I ever liked back then was Blynx Time Cat and I think that was purely because I had so little time to do anything besides play Halo, mostly due to playing so much Halo. So I never had a lot of experience with the original Banjo games, but N&B is one of my favorite 360 games.
>>343345801
I liked it a lot, thank you very much. At least it understood that Doom should be an action game.
>>343345801
2 > 1 > 3 > 4
They are all really good though
>>343345751
Yes you autistic faggot
Max Payne III
>>343345909
Doom isn't painkiller with brootal memes
>>343346163
so it's better than the older games?
It's only hated because it's not muh traditional Star Fox game
>>343346163
Doom also isn't a shitty System Shock wannabe. Doom 1 is still the best, but I enjoy doom 2016 for what it is.
>>343346163
And DOOM isn't shitty jumpscares with a story that takes itself too seriously, so I don't get what you're getting at.
At least the new DOOM plays closer to the older DOOM games, and that's all we've been asking for since DOOM 3 shat into existence.
>>343343667
There's a lot to not like in DOOM 3
They went for a more horror focused approach and yet never quite committed all the way. The scares have very little happening visually, the most you get is the room turning red or a pile of boxes moving. There's no actual horror present in this horror game. What further reduces any actual ability to scare is that there's no element of surprise, every enemy in the game announces its presence with a giant light show and an overbearing chant sound effect that gets old where you hear it so much that it continuously clips into itself when multiple enemies spawn.
Another point against the game is how samey it all looks. Since they decided to drastically limit the amount of time you spent in Hell, they instead relied on the mars base. Since the outside sections were very limited, you were stuck inside a what appeared to be the same corridors and rooms for almost the entire game. There was nothing visually interesting to take your mind off the fact that you were doing the exact same thing as you were 8 hours ago. All the facilities, laboratories and infrastructures shared the same key visuals, so they all blended together in a huge uninspired mess. Compare that to any other DOOM game where you can differentiate almost on a level to level basis and I found it to be a very drab and boring experience.
Of course there's personal "not muh" grievances to be had as well, game speed, implementation of reloading, forced walls of text and video fluff to watch. But they don't really count since the thread isn't taking into account the rest of the series.
The game also ran out of ideas very quickly. How many times were we guided by a turret? How many times did we pick up an item, only to be swarmed by monster closets on all sides? They couldn't even restrict the crane puzzle to a single instance.
>>343345801
It's better than Doom 3, shitter.
>>343345004
RE 5 and 6 are shit for reasons that extend well beyond their lack of spookiness.
>>343346330
I didn't like it because it stopped being well designed in the second half. It was clear that this game was rushed, but everything up until the beach and cloud temple areas was pretty solid.
>>343346082
this is true
on itself its a decent game, but I'll never forget them for not delivering something much closer to 1 & 2 which are among top 5 games of all time for me
>>343346402
>Doom 1 is still the best
but that's just wrong, 2 has more content and the best levels out of any official doom games not to mention most complex. vast majority of mods also use it
>>343345841
you forgot
>DARKNESS = SCARY
the most popular mod for this game was the duct tape mod- it literally put a flashlight on your weapon so you could see the environment you were in
>>343346753
You don't know good games then.
>>343342137
Doom 3 is a perfectly paced game.
One of the best FPS games ever made.
>>343346905
5 was good, six was not.
Coming from someone who started with 4/5/6
>>343346082
>>343346793
isn't MP3 just endless cutscenes?
>>343347005
6 is one of the best tps of all time.
>>343346840
I wasn't a fan of the Doom 2 level design: many of them feel like puzzles rather than the more labyrinthine designs of the first game. Although I will agree that, with WAD support, Doom 2 is better, but I prefer the base game of Doom 1.
>>343346862
And also completely ruins the entire atmosphere of the game. Bravo.
>>343347014
Its 5 minutes of kick ass gameplay for each 5 minutes of boring cut scenes. It doesnt bother anyone much the first time but replaying it when the vast majority of cut scenes are unskippable is a real Payne in the ass
>>343347075
Thats Max Payne
>>343346441
the Trite parts are absolutely horrifying for an arachnophobic
>>343347075
no its not
>>343347157
Max Payne is Top tier but not the best
>>343346840
>2 has the best levels out of any official doom game
>>343347156
>Its 5 minutes of kick ass gameplay for each 5 minutes of boring cut scenes.
That sounds fucking terrifying
>>343346840
>2 has more content and the best levels out of any official doom games
KYS
>>343345004
Yet I can guarantee you were one of them decrying the change they took for 7. Me though? The only Resi games I haven't liked were Survivor and ORC. And that's because they were shit.
>>343347513
>>343347537
>downtown
>industrial zone
>refueling base
>not greatest of all goat
Shit taste
>>343347014
Yes but the cutscenes are actually good since its a rockstar game
>>343347513
The game is great in terms of gameplay, but having to see every single cutscene over and over again due to no option to skip is just painful.
I get why R* made them that way (background loading/YOU GET TO SEE THE WEAPONS YOU HAVE IN THE CUTSCENE), but as a result, it makes replays of the game a total slog.
It's definitely a great game, but a game you'll only really play once.
>>343347556
>didn't like survivor
but won't 7 just be Survivor 2? Watch Ark Thompson be the main character again or something.
>>343347513
it's not actually that bad, it just feels like it; the story is about a bunch of fucking brazilians who are just straight-up rich douchebags who party all the time and the game acts like you're just supposed to care about them while Max monologues about being drunk and washed up
then one gets kidnapped, you dive, you excavate the skulls of 10 men before you hit the ground, and then max gets up and monologues about how shit he is some more.
>>343347075
How very, very, very embarrassing for you.
>>343347710
So 3?
>>343347005
The first two acts were good, everything else was absolute shit.
>>343347963
I said best levels out of any official doom, not how many it had
Those 3 are what comes to mind
>>343347731
I haven't played Max Payne 3 but if the cutscenes are as shit as the ones in GTAV then fuck that.
speaking of max payne 3 what does the season pass have? base game is 5 bucks
>>343342137
I wouldn't call it great, but it's a good game and it doesn't deserve the amount of hate it gets
>>343348239
there was a season pass? Just checked it and its all MP stuff. Never played the MP but last I checked neither does anyone else
>>343348758
well if it's only mp stuff i don't give a shit. thought it had some singleplayer behind it
>>343346441
I've been replaying Doom 3 recently (haven't played since 2005?) and all of these points match up to how I feel about the game so far.
The main thing I dislike about Doom 3 is that there's no where to move while you have demons spawning at their scripted points, it becomes a memory game after dying continuously. The maps are so closed in and there are way too many trip mines of demon spawn points and closets.
Doom 3 with sikkmod is fucking great.
>>343349428
is that the one that adds additional hell levels, better sounds and alt fire? yea it's great
>>343347841
Then they'll have to cut out a major feature for the american release because they've had another mass shooting. If they're going to do another fucking Survivor they have to do the best bit.
I do love Doom 3, maybe even more than 4 but not without the flashlight mod or BFG edition
I don't give a fuck if it's not doom enough for some people, and I do play brutal doom
I do find brutal doom to be better than 4 and 3 though
>>343344282
nah, I hate diablo 3 regardless of whether it wields the diablo title or not, just like I didn't like torchlight despite being made by one the guys that made diablo 1
Path of Exile is what I go to, but it sure is full of fucking bullshit
>>343350197
flashlight mod/bfg ruins the atmosphere of the game though.
>>343345004
it took up to RE6 for the games to have good control, I literally find RE4 unplayable now
Dead Space 2 is the one that nailed it perfectly
and in terms of oldschool 3rd person cinematic camera. it took up to fucking RE:Outbreak 2 to have it good (but still flawed)
let's count shall we?: 1,2,3,CV, 1(remake), 0, Outbreak
that's 7 titles it took, and only 1 game as it
>>343346840
nuDoom is far better than doom 1+2
>>343351912
okay
>>343346082
nope, unskippable cutscenes suck not matter what game
(I know you can technically skip them but not before waiting a long ass time for something else to load)
>>343351449
personally I hated it without it, sorry
>>343352482
i think you shouldn't even have bothered with doom 3 in that case. atmosphere is why people like it.
>doom 3
>belonging in its franchise
>>343342137
Yeah, Doom 3 belongs in the trash instead.
>>343352649
You liked it entirely because of darkness?
>>343352649
well I do love it, the way I play it
>>343352805
i liked it because i had to choose between visibility and protection. it's a good compromise for a horror action game where things wouldn't normally be anywhere near as scary when you can just kill them.
>>343347274
>Hold down the fire button and move around
I loved LP1 and 2 but the mechanics are nowhere near as good as Max Payne
Would Fallout 4 have been a better game if it was just called something generic like Apocalypse 2077?
>>343347113
The atmosphere of the game is that you're in a dark, half destroyed, shitty, isolated space base. Having a flashlight doesn't change any of that.
>>343343940
Nah, this game is trash by its own standards.
>>343347113
then why did they put it in with the bfg edition?
>>343347075
RE6 is one of the most mediocre games I've ever played. It doesn't do anything particularly poorly, but it does nothing well.
>>343353713
because it was made for casual console audience, pc still has original doom 3
>>343352978
But it doesn't work when the lack of visibility annoys rather than scares you. With or without flashlight it just isn't a great horror game, sorry to break it to you.
>>343352805
>>343352978
What the fuck, stop this, you guys are all fucking stupid
it's dark as fuck =/= atmosphere
Atmosphere is everything you see and hear, it's the music, the ambient sounds, the art style. Part of the atmosphere is that you're alone, part of it claustrophobic hallways, etc. If I play doom 2 and I turn the brightness all the way to 0 that's not atmosphere, it's just stupid.
>>343353395
Probably.
Like if Metro was a Stalker game I would have called it a stain on the series because it's just so not Stalker. But as Metro it's pretty damn great because I came into the game with no expectations as to how it SHOULD be.
The Fallout name put a lot of pressure on 4, pressure it couldn't live up to.
Decent game, but nowhere near the shining golden idol it was saying it would be.
>>343353395
It would not be a good game but the casualization would be less of a crime
bamp, I like this thread
I'm pretty open minded. I played Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil. I agree they were very slow, so I made a few modifications to turn on auto run and have unlimited stamina, then the game became a pretty fun shooter. I don't care about the flashlight and monster closet criticisms because I played Doom episode 1 to 4 right after and it was the same deal. So in my opinion, Doom 3 sits in the same camp as Quake 2 where they had to give it a familiar name at the last moment, setting wrong expectations.
>>343354636
I never said dark is atmosphere.
>>343355879
ultimate doom is not dark though, it has very few moments where you can't see much
>>343353395
Fallout 4 was already better than 3 and having the Brotherhood start flying their birds around and fighting people after the mothership shows up was one of my favorite 3d fallout moments
>>343345004
4: awesome
5: the storyline is shit but the gameplay and level design is good as rs4
6: JUST... (the Leon sections are ok)
>>343345004
>People hating on 6
It has the best mercenaries mode
The levels are huge and they are fucking empty
Halo 5.
Doom 3 was short-sighted in one sense- having to switch between your weapon and the flashlight was absolutely retarded.
There were flashlight attachments for weapons over sixty years ago and you're telling me that you have to switch between the two in the future? Man get the fuck outta here.
I liked the transition to a more survival horror stance but they fucked that pooch with a simple mechanic.
>>343357562
just because it deserved to be treated that way doesnt mean it was
>>343346791
It wasn't rushed as much as they just weren't sure what kind of game they were making up to the deadline. Was it as Zelda clone? Was it a collectathon? It was too late by the time they needed it to get out the door.
>>343358541
it wasn't retarded, it was necessary for the game's atmosphere.
>>343359225
No it wasn't.
>>343359409
yeah it was. it's painfully fucking obvious having to choose between visibility and weapons is for the sake of atmosphere.
>>343342137
Bad DOOM game? Yes?
Bad game? No
I personally loved the atmosphere around the dig and such, I loved the pseudo-mysticism and "lore" as you would put it I guess.
>>343359670
It didn't add to the atmosphere.
>>343360980
I think what you were trying to say (not that guy) was that it didn't need it to add to the atmosphere. If you played it with the correct light levels it did not need the switching between the two. It wasn't a good dev decision at all. It was a space station that barely had the power running enough for life support.
They would have been much better off by making the main character an average worker and it being a spinoff. Since hell, that's what it felt like.
>>343361902
DS3 is the one I liked the least in the series but it was still good I think
>>343344496
>Got a new pc to run this pile of shit
FUCK YOU EA
I enjoyed it as well, but lots of people hags it because it was just an action game rather than a survival horror game like the first ones.
>>343359150
t.bethesdrone
>>343364442
Meant for
>>343363492
>>343359150
F3 is the worst fallout. Just because you grew up with it doesnt make it good
if it didn't have the moh name it would have done better
>>343346905
6 was trash desu, 5 was pretty good.
>>343342137
Its a shame really. Doom 3 IS a good game. It just wasn't a traditional Doom
IfDmCwasn't so fucking edgy trying to alienate and piss off every single person who had played a previous game from the franchise, it would have been received a lot better.
Well that and the colored enemies, no lock on and no bloody palace at launch.
Doom3
Halo Reach
Dead Space 3
Hitman Absolution
F3AR had gameplay and multiplayer down, shame the rest of the game sucked fucking balls.
>>343353629
How would you know without playing it?
>>343342137
It's a good game and better than Final Doom. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly Satan.
>>343343940
This game was good. It was also a massive disappointment.
>>343343974
>id knew that most people just played Quake for the MP
No only faggots did that.
>>343345004
I'm a classic REfag and I loved 4 and liked 5. Fuck you. 6 is just an all-around bad game.
>>343362078
Trigger is the most overrated game ever. Cross is much better.
BioShock Infinite was a good game with a good visual art style, but the name both gave it attention and crushed it since it wasnt a real BioShock game.
Fuck you it wasfun.
>>343348330
Fuck Rare for slapping Banjo and Kazooie on this instead of making it it's own original IP, that teaser trailer was such a huge middle finger.
>>343345004
I actually found 5 more fun than 4 but only because I played through it with a friend
>>343372156
I'm just sad because it could've been so much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_DSfjAdhlU
Also Ken Levine went up his own smug ass with it and closed the whole studio for no reason after its release
>>343356343
this
>>343372156
>BioShock Infinite was a good game
>>343353395
No because then it would have just been a shitty version of New Vegas which it already is
>>343357562
As much as people shit on CoD nowadays, I think Modern Warfare 1 is still pretty well respected.
>>343372210
It was at times. It's biggest, and really it's only crime is just not being better than the first game.
I swear to god if someone posts Skyward Sword I'm gonna shit a brick
all CoD games
street fighter 2010
A lot of people still enjoyed world at War as well
>>343379150
i enjoyed the fuck out of it
>>343351912
You cannot possibly be serious
>Average and predictable level design
>Forced story
>Upgrades
>Alt fires
>Sold poorly
>Short
>>343375775
>mfw they add a fist weapons class
>Its only in frontier
Now if they add the fists weapons to the other monster hunter they would say its shit.
I just want to punch monsters.
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
Still the best final fantasy game
>>343343940
>Warren and Harvey disown it
>BUT IT'S STILL GOOD IN ITS OWN RIGHT GUISE DON'T COMPARE IT WITH THE ORIGINAL
This simpleton simulator is "good" maybe if it was your first game on your Xboxhueg.
>>343372210
For all DaS2's faults, I can at least appreciate the fact that this game had funner PvP and builds were easier to get up and running early on in the game compared to DaS3
>>343346082
>>343348330
best answers
>>343342137
If couldn't make up it's mind whether it wanted to be an FPS or a Survival Horror and it fucking suffered as a result. The fact you started to open doors predicting an imp would jump out and say "SURPRISE COCKFAG" is a fucking joke and the fact that a game that leaned toward narrative and a darker tone as much as it did contained a Mars base that housed multiple doors specifically built to the specifications of housing demons to jump out and surprise you is fucking laughable. Also the shotgun sucked. if you were lucky two shots from point blank range would take down an imp. Two fucking shots. That is inexcusable. Shittiest shotgun in gaming. In a fucking game that has the audacity to be called Doom.
The only real redeeming factor was the Hell levels. Those looked pretty sweet.
>>343344282
kek that garbage doesn't even hold up within its own genre let alone within its own series. It is overshadowed by literally every other game inspired by its predecessor
>>343342137
Prediction
>>343385684
The hell levels were shit, the shotgun one shorted most enemies with a headshot and the original doom had tons of closet monsters. Fuck off retard
