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ITT: underused weapons that are secretly op
>>343298585
>tomislav at release
im glad it's over
Did they remove the 'bottle smashes when you crit' animation?
why the fuck would valve nerf Demoman in such a way
>>343298743
Big Earner > All
Pre Nerf Baby Faces Blaster
I will never forgive
I will never forget
For as long as I live, I promise this
>>343298832
Would use it, but I find the health penalty dreadful, same reason I never use the Kunai. I'm always using the Spycicle.
>>343298730
>>343298730
Wut
It smashed after one hit, but that didn't change its damage. It was just "too confusing for new players"
Better than the sandwich in almost every way, especially when your team has no Med
The Pomson if it still is invisible when you shoot it past dispensers
>>343299073
I only ever used the kunai on the medieval map
>>343299265
This, post rebalance gives you 100 hp, its usually what you heal by anyway
>>343299271
It is
>>343299265
>especially
More like only. When you have a medic it's worthless since the overheals doesn't stack.
>>343298719
>Release Tomislav
What a wonderful time to play Heavy
>>343299315
Same, with dead ringer, no one seems to care about spies on degroot, so going on chainstabs is easy
>>343298719
holy shit it still hurts
Release soda popper
>>343299376
>automatically restores every 10 secs
>can use it to restore yourself 100 hp, get 350 hp for 20 secs and pick around corners while doing it
>can help your team by throwing a chocolate at them every 10 seconds
>>343299487
And with the hills and the fact it's meele only you can get trickstabs and matador stabs really easy
Best sniper comin through
>>343299435
Medic isn't always on your ass, and you can spit small healthpacks at him like it's your full-time job. A sandwich is almost always more than a wounded Medic needs, thanks to his health regen
Fuck all of the side grades in this game. Fuck this game. Fuck Valve.Fuck Blizzard more.
>>343299660
>can't instakill anyone above 150 hp
You are much better help killing that heavy/soldier/demo/anyone with an overhead, not soaking him in jarate.
If you can't hit heads its better than simple bodyshots tho
>>343299660
>trolling people in trade servers with this
literally all my 27 hours as sniper come from doing that
>>343299726
>and you can spit small healthpacks at him like it's your full-time job
This is underrated as fuck. Best way to play heavy
I love going Tomislav / Dalokas / GRU and being a mobile fightin' medic.
>>343299660
>get dominations on everyone by doing absolutely nothing
It's beautiful
>>343300108
>tfw they nerfed GRU without even mentioning that in update info
WHY
If you count updates as development, then TF2 has been in development for almost 20 years.
>>343298585
isn't this game dead
>>343298585
"Underused"
"Secretly OP"
Alright. Spot the newfag.
Looks like you weren't around when competitive TF2 was raging and blown the fuck up due to the ridiculousness of how broken Natascha was. The slowing effect / snare was so incredibly strong on release, if you didn't have it, you were gimping yourself and your team.
In fact, Natascha was BANNED in CEVO probably 6 years ago? Whenever they changed heavy speed.
But yeah people would spam it, land one bullet from a mile away, that slows down the enemy by 50%, and then a sniper would headshot them.
>>343299660
Using the whole set to counter enemy snipers was the best.
>>343299467
Also, Enforcicle spies.
>>343300507
...and?
/thread
>>343298585
Natascha pre-nerf was a nightmare desu
>>343300606
Yes indeed
Remember when sets were a thing, Saharan spy was kinda OP with the dead ringer making 0 noise, fun to play though
>>343300567
I know that, I'm talking about its current state. I barely see people use it nowadays.it's still a straight upgrade to stock if played right
>>343300834
>pre-nerf Dead-ringer+spycicle
I'm glad it's over
>>343300834
150hp Scouts were a fucking pay to win
> So many weapons released
> Never played TF2 enough to get any of them through drops
> Finally get them once I start playing more again
> They've been nerfed
I can only blame myself.
Post when TF2 became dead to you
>>343301002
Most of nerfed weapons deserved it desu
>>343301240
Very true, but I wish I at least had the chance to use 'em back then, y'know?
>>343301157
It was fun to use, but nigga it was OP as fuck. That nerf was deserved
>>343301157
Soldier mains still manbabies
>>343298585
Souther Hospitality.
As long as I get a hit in, I either keep hittin' or get shooting if you move out of range. That bleed is a large help.
>>343301157
>ITT: underused weapons that are secretly op
>Underused
shoots at feet users everyone
>>343301157
When they nerfed the spycicle/enforcer/dead ringer trinity.
>>343301157
Rocket Jumper + mantreads + shovel
The only way to play soldier.
The stock shotgun
On Pyro it's generally more useful than your flamethrower, and you can fight pretty god damn well as an Engineer with it
>>343301714
Well of course everything has a counter, otherwise it wouldn't be balanced.
>>343299265
>not SpaceChem fish
dropped
>>343301731
>underused
Almost every engeneer uses it, and its a stock weapon
>>343301645
That was the cancer and it was well deserved
>>343301714
If the engi ever finds himself fighting a pyro he's dead anyway
>>343298585
>tooltip says it applies a slow on hit
>it's actually a knockback
>>343300834
Saharan Spy was so fucking fun before the nerf.
I'm still salty about them suddenly getting rid of the set bonus because I actually bought that set from the store.
>>343298585
Frontier Justice + Gunslinger combo
>1 assist = 1 free crit
>>343302216
>underused
>>343301917
What are flares
>>343301983
Every minigun has knockback though
Pretty good if you can aim your shots well enough, really wish it could be used by engy and pyro.
>>343302943
since when?
I haven't played TF2 in years, but I'm considering reinstalling it. How is the game these days?
>>343303619
Do you like virtual hats?
>>343301730
>Rocket Jumper + mantreads + shovel
>The only way to play soldier.
This is when TF2 died
>>343303310
Dunno, I remember sitting under the robot spawn, shooting upward and making robo-heavies go to space using stock back when MvM came out
>>343303619
Nothing changed since like 4-5 years aside from Mann vs Machine
>>343303756
I never really cared that much about the hats. I think it was around 2013 when I stopped playing, so I already know about Valve's hat obsession.
And then it got nerfed.
>>343300591
Visage is one of those heroes that can't be "perfectly" balanced without a complete rehaul, just like Huskar.
>>343299062
>replace crits with jump
I fucking hate valve.
And yet demoman will never get a nerf because the """""""""""competitive""""""""""" players would never allow it
>>343303619
crouching "friendly" heavies and rocket jumping market garden soldiers everywhere
don't do it
Is mic spamming still around?
>>343304456
Only on trade servers
>>343304456
Yea but you have to put more effort into your spam since HLDJ was disabled on most servers.
>>343298585
>underused
>natascha
do you never play HL games or something
>>343304207
Still manages to be a tremendous pain in the ass.
My penis
I miss TF2 so much
>>343304207
It got buffed again that it still can be a menace, not as bad but it's more useful now since Christmas
>>343300898
Maybe if you can't track
I hardly see this used since every other soldier is either staying with the stock launcher or the fucking Black Box.
>>343304207
Not airblasting is pretty shit
>>343298719
point and click Red Death
arena was funny
>>343304207
>playing 2Fort
>in my team's base
>phlog pyro comes in, taunts
>watch as team tries to kill him through uber instead of running into sentry cover
>>343305852
>playing 2Fort
You were asking for it.
>>343305579
because it's a colossal joke to other soldiers, really
there's only one reason I won't play 2fort and hightower, because it validates the existence of the sniper
snipers are not required, and they are not preferred
they are a garbage class, a garbage addition to the team, and are played by garbage subhumans
Faggot soldiers are always using meme melee weapons instead of this for some reason.
>>343306172
>snipers are not required, and they are not preferred
The whole highlander strategy is build around keeping sniper alive.
They are the most commonly picked situational utility in 6v6 .
Good snipers dominate pubs.
Not to mention 2fort and hightower are pretty bad for a sniper since in 2fort all the action takes place in cramped interiors and in hightower rocket jumping soldiers are too much of a nuisance.
>>343306421
>not using Escape Plan
>>343303310
It's not obvious on the ground, but when you jump you get sent flying back. On the ground it's just a little harder to move forward if he's shooting you.
>>343306421
Disciplinary is for rollouts and when the team is full of heavies
Escape Plan for every other moment in a match
>>343298719
It's still pretty fucking good.
>Mfw sniping enemy steam with tomislav.
>>343304207
What a disaster. Although a Vaccinator Medic absolutely shut it down.
Didn't they get rid of item sets?
That shit was the best.
>>343306421
It's all I use.
>dat 10 foot range
>>343307431
They realised that item sets with gameplay effects made their game pay-to-win, so they reverted them to being purely cosmetic.
Perfectly valid action if you ask me.
>>343299271
Not just dispensers, any teammates will do
>>343307431
I could guess a couple reasons
>unituitive
>difficult to balance
>pay2win
>>343304368
I miss running around and preparing for full mini crit pan action.
>>343299062
And with this I was a lightning flurry of pans.
>>343301778
I want a recipe for fishcake.
>>343299660
Set bonuses were bullshit and I loved using that full set.
>>343301157
That weapon was a straight upgrade, buddy. I'd personally still say the two halves are decent.
>>343301983
The slow and the normal minigun knockback compound to make it really hard to fight against a natascha heavy alone.
>>343307104
This shit is crucial to know, I've escaped heavies loads of times by jumping while they fire at me for the extra boost.
>>343303103
Pyro or engie with that would be rather overly strong. I could see people fooling around as shotgun pyros way more often.
>>343304207
A menace only if nobody is a fucking soldier.
>>343305579
That's because it's bad.
>>343306421
>>343307571
Broken as shit range, good for S&M play too.
>>343307431
they made it cosmetic only like giving spy fart gas during taunt
>>343301157
When they nerfed the heavy with damage falloff.
>>343299660
>tfw this one shots light classes with a body shot still
>your old community will never come back
>>343308019
>tfw old community dead
>still hang with leaders
>watching as the main guy behind it slowly go crazy because he doesn't have a community anymore
RIPBrothers Googly, you were pretty good.
pre-nerf was better than the stock launcher imo
>>343298730
>Did they remove the 'bottle smashes when you crit' animation?
>why the fuck would valve nerf Demoman in such a way
The 2 different explanations I've heard are
>retards were standing around in spawn smashing the bottle because they thought a broken bottle did more damage
and
>when valve swapped over to the new model system it just broke and they haven't bothered fixing it yet
>>343308019
>gamemode madness is dead
Whats even the purpose of playing this shit anymore
>>343298585
OP A BLATANT SHILL, CANT U FUCKING SEE IT? FUCKING BUNCH OF LOSERS
>>343298719
>tomislav
It's never over kid, prepare for OP swiss cheesing at a distance.
>>343301157
Original Equalizer was OP, even if it was fun. I would have preferred seeing a bigger downside on it rather than the split, though.
Escape Plan is still OP even post-split. Competitive Soldier mains rarely use anything else (maybe Pain Train, or Disciplinary Action for whip rollouts when it's unbanned).
>>343303619
Slightly improved balance (they've made missteps, but they've made more improvements than they have fuck-ups thankfully)
More weapons and maps, nearly 170 weapons and 90 maps to choose from. Also, weapon skins.
>>343299062
BFB was the trashiest shit after it's initial rework
I'll pull a No True Scotsman and say that any real Scout main refused to use that shit after it's buff because of how broken it was
There were NO downsides when you could jump for near free (25% PENALTY, THAT'S IT), Crit to mid as fast as a normal Scout, and still engage/disengage against anyone in the game short of a Sniper in a hallway
It deserved to be fucking gutted, but I don't know why they didn't just restore it to release state, were it was niche and nothing more
FUCK rework BFB
Is TF2 worth re-installing?
>>343306421
Absolutely fucking broken, actually needs a nerf ASAP. Yet so few seem to realize.
>lets you whip Heavies to mid, whip your Medic along with you more quickly, or boost a Scout up to 153% speed, along with boosting your own speed for 3.6 seconds per whip
>longest melee range in the game
>only downside is doing 16 less damage when you hardly ever use your melee for damage as Soldier anyway
Think we're getting the update tonight?
>>343308849
Tonight or tomorrow for sure.
Confirmed so far is 4 taunts, maybe some kind of SFM video to do with Saxton Hale, and competitive matchmaking, and something mysteriously referred to by b4nny as "good for casual players as well as competitive players", but apart from that we know nothing.
>>343299118
No it only smashed on a crit, idiot.
>>343306421
After the initial Equalizer nerf, this is the best overall by far
Market Gardener is very situational, and Escape Plan after its nerf is only for roamers' rollouts
>>343309016
Are the taunts confirmed yet?
Are we getting taunts that aren't retarded dance shit for once?
>>343308840
Possibly. There is a rather large update coming out "just around the corner" (confirmed by b4nny, slin, and geelkike the reddit nigger)
https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/729824004215689217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxGGI8O8JM
Wait until the update comes out, if it has anything you like the sound of, then go ahead and reinstall. If it's a disappointment you saved yourself a re-download.
>>343308442
>Update
Shill, a free game? That's probably older than you are? uhh huh.
>>343309248
We don't know what they are, just that they exist. The 4 "private" videos at the bottom of this list. The same thing happened before Gun Mettle came out
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHy7G7ndrUmq933tLi_nTlFlvmJKZpmAi
My money's on the Engineer gameboy taunt, the Pyro fire-lighting taunt, and the Heavy thinker taunt.
>>343299073
Spycicle is fucking gay and you should be ashamed for using it.
>>343308019
>play with group since pyro update
>endless hours on custom server
>played all the way from competitive to fucking around on cyberpunk
>goof around during the golden wrenches
>party when someone on the server finally got one
>everything going fine all the way up to pyromania
>server and group suddenly just deleted without warning
>admin says "real life stuff was happening and never went online again
>all those hours gone, like tears in the rain
>>343304368
>demo man will never get a nerf
>sticky launcher literally half as effective as in 2013 because of arm times
Fucking retard, please don't discuss a game you've played for less than 6 months
>>343309259
>Inb4 it's End of The Line all over again
>>343309490
>>343299073
spy mains like stabby actually consider spycicle UP
consider the following: you see a Medic, you're posed for the stab, but you get hit by a stray flame particle. Suddenly you're incapable of going in for the kill
for pub play spycicle is passable, but for a serious game, it's kind of shit
>>343309259
>implying it's not just boring competitive shit and a few cosmetics
>>343309681
There will at least definitely be competitive matchmaking this time around, so that's something.
EOTL was shit because everyone was expecting weapons, a map, an SFM, cosmetics and taunts but we just got a reskin, no map, the SFM, and a shit cosmetic and one taunt
>>343309684
>spy mains
>stabby
Couldn't discard the opinion any harder.
>>343298585
Carbine before it got changed into mini-crits instead of crits.
>>343309838
why?
but fine take corsa instead, I don't think I've ever seen him use spycicle once EVER and i watch his shit near-religiously
spycicle's benefit only applies when pyros are around, yet that same benefit also fucks you. And its downside applies all the rest of the time (making your presence more obvious)
>>343303103
Nah, more like this shit right here. Im pretty good with scout so this automatically makes you a near unstoppable force if you use this shit. Its so fun to fuck with people with unlimited firepower.
If the family business could be used by engy, the widowmaker would still be a direct upgrade to it. There's no downside to using it if you have your shit built.
>>343309684
I agree.
But the one effect it has is a direct middle finger to your hard counter. Combined with dead ringer and a spy can survive about 2 solid seconds of flame before being caught on fire.
It would be like giving engineer the razorback. No purpose and is outclassed by his other options, just an annoying counter to a class that should beat him.
The core of the game is still great, but the community is beyond being AIDS, ultimately the reason why I switched to overwatch.
Not saying Genji / Widowmaker teams are fine, but they are way more Spy / Sniper stacked teams either way in tf2, and that goes for the duraiton of the fucking server.
>>343309684
But nobody would play pyro in a "serious" game.
>>343310201
I'll admit it's not common but it happens on some maps, plus pyros are a common feature at last defences; it's somewhere around about this point in the video where a spy is going for a pick and gets killed by a pyro
https://youtu.be/o0H75bMDNGs?t=2053
anyway, if the enemy isn't running pyro, why are you running spycicle? it doesn't actually kill silently and it leaves great big ice statues everywhere
>>343309684
>spy mains
>>343310183
Overwatch is extremely casual though and there isn't anywhere near the gameplay options available.
In TF2, you can have 3 demos playing completely different ways. Overwatch is just the same thing over and over.
>>343309016
I'm getting Deja vu here. Did you answer this question yesterday? I got a very similar answer.
>>343310089
annoying sure, but not really effective. Getting hit by a puff of flame lets the Spy live, but also reduces him to a budget Sniper for the duration of the recharge
there are really far worse weapons than spycicle to complain about in this game since the nerf
>>343310183
>and that goes for the duraiton of the fucking server
I just tell the enemy team to start playing pyro because we have 4 spies, and they all disperse
but honestly play on 5CP servers, actually halfway passable players (too scared/lazy to play comp, but too competent for 2fort servers) flock to them
>>343310539
Blizzard better put dedicated servers and custom maps into Overwatch. Custom sprays too. There's no way it's gonna be the TF2 killer if I can't play a 24/7 all crit low gravity mariokart server filled with furry porn sprays.
>>343304628
HLDJ has unusable for years already.
Just get a music player like Foobar, a script to keep your microphone on, and learn how to redirect your music player's feed into your microphone feed.
It's easier than you think, you can easily find tutorials.
Mic spamming will never die.
>>343309509
I know that feel man
I was even the guy on the server that got a golden wrench
Bring back the original baby face's blaster
>>343299660
generating more salt all the worlds salt mines combined
>>343306421
that extra range is perfect for when a scout thinks hes being slick. crit that mother fucker if he tries to jump over me
Please don't nerf it, I love using it.
>>343309259
>that video
I've never seen someone spend 16 minutes to talk about absolutely nothing.
This game is old and busted.
>b-but competitive matchmaking will save it!
No it won't. The majority have moved on and aren't going to come back just to pay more money to play a shitty game mode.
TF2 is dead. Deal with it.
Official servers were a mistake
>>343312269
>>343312269
fifty thousand players per day is good for a nine year game.
Are rd_asteroid and cactus canyon out of beta yet
>>343312269
>dead
It's still the 3rd most played game on Steam behind Dota 2 and CS:GO.
>>343312643
Delete this right now.
>>343312643
So? PC has nothing else to play.
>>343308743
>release state
shit was almost as bad as it is now.
>>343312858
Losing speed on damage taken is the real killer for the weapon, a trait it didn't used to have
Not that I care; that thing can stay in Dumpster Hell for all eternity
>>343304434
I started playing TF2 again recently, and I've yet to see a friendly heavy, and the only market garden soldiers I've seen were on high tower
>>343312993
>Losing speed on damage taken is the real killer for the weapon, a trait it didn't used to have
fully correct
>less variety is good
not correct.
>>343312269
>Message from Blizzard Entertainment
>$0.03 has been deposited into your account.
kys
>>343313170
You first, kid.
>>343312721
But I thought the game was dead.
Make up your mind.
>>343304207
Not being able to airblast always made it pretty useless.
>>343313323
It is dead and it'll never go back to the way it was. You missed out. Sucks for you.
>>343313170
tf2 is dead
you mad 9 digit shitty? you mad you never got to experience the game when it was good?
haha
>>343313163
Sidegrades shouldn't be better than stock, and the BFB blatantly was
It was a fun concept, but they overbuffed it, and thenrightfully, fuck youovernerfed it
Short Stop is a good example of a viable sidegrade, as is post-rework Soda Popper
FaN is the same as always in a good way
Back Shitter is trash, and I hope you understand why so I don't have to write another dumb paragraph
>>343310087
>drop mini
>shoot an idiot
>drop another mini
>repeat
>>343313438
>it's good they overnerfed it
No, it should be viable, not crap. Just because it was once too good doesn't mean you should go overboard and "get revenge" against something that's just a fucking item.
>short stop is viable
nope
>FaN is viable side grade
Nope.
>back shitter is trash
at least you're not completely wrong.
Again.
More viable options is better. Not less.
>>343304207
more like clearly fucking overrated retard magnet
>marked for death while active
nobody asked for this, you were beautiful
>>343312643
you know your favorite game is dead when even the bronies and furries are giving up on it
>>343313419
I've been here since the Goldrush update. I haven't missed much.
And vanilla servers are a thing. You just gotta know where to look.
>>343313826
It was well deserved.
>tfw pocket pistol nerf
>tfw the GOAT scout loadout of scatter/pocket/atomizer is no longer relevant
>>343298585
Pre-nerf Shortstop was the greatest thing ever.
>2016
>Playing TF2
Overwatch already released boys
>>343313826
It's a pretty minor nerf in my opinion. I don't ever pull it out mid-fight, so I'll never get killed trying to escape.
Plus when you're already on low health, you're gonna keel over to the next thing that hits you regardless of mini-crits.
>>343313934
Am I supposed to be impressed? I've been here since the beta.
>>343313826
Never understood why they did that. I mean you benefit from it the most when you're near death's door anyhow, so why the need to make yourself even more likely to die?
Sure, the split itself might've been well deserved, but it'd make more sense to have the Equalizer mark you while Escape Plan reduces heals.
>>343314163
i have no money and overwatch's art style doesn't appeal to me
>>343313951
Letting the enemy team know you were a couple pistol shots away from death was enough of a balance anyway, its the crying babbys who can't shoot fast targets and actually let themselves get meleed by escape plan users that complained
I never heard anybody complain about the escape plan, and I was on the tf2 general all the time before the update hit
>>343301157
>they didn't make the damage one the original model and the speed one a white flag
cmon Valve, that shit wrote itself
>>343314285
>translation: i have a shitty PC that can barely run Source games and my parents refuse to buy me a new one :(((
Enjoy playing Garry's Mod for the rest of your life.
>>343314202
>but it'd make more sense to have the Equalizer mark you while Escape Plan reduces heals.
But the Equalizer's draw is being viable in melee, not getting you torn to shreds faster.
And it's honestly kind of bad as is.
>>343314391
you seem very insecure about people not playing overwatch
>>343314469
Fair enough. All I'm trying to say really is that the Escape Plan makes for a shitty getaway.
>>343314335
The soldier already can move faster than scout speed with rocket jump. Stop demanding that you need more than you deserve you stupid jew.
>Having a nice TF2 thread
>Overmeme fucks come to shill their shitty game
every time
>>343314657
It's an actual shill, just ignore him.
>>343314391
I own Overwatch and honestly after I had learned the characters I didnt have any motivation to play anymore. there are no custom servers or anything. just console tier matchmaking
>>343314391
Overwatch actually runs better than TF2.
>>343314714
It's still as good for getaways as it was before, you just have to be a bit smarter about when you whip it out.
>>343314796
TF2 is old and shit.
>>343314202
>Never understood why they did that.
Because the soldier is already the best fucking class that does fucking everything you dumb fuck.
>>343308019
>Was a mod forGolden Machine Gun
>Was going fine
>Until one day the main honcho decides that he loves an underage kid
>He starts kissing his ass but nobody thought of it
>The kid was actually cool, wasn't a screamo tard
>Then all of a sudden, main honcho confesses his love to him and the kid says "no way fag"
>Servers go down, dude tries to kill himself but chickens out
>Servers come back up later and honcho demods the kid and most of the admins who thought was fine, which basically killed the server from that point forward
>Honcho tries to bring up the server again, "reborn" and all that shit, and it dies because nobody cared anymore
It was a weird time
>>343314335
>its the crying babbys...
He said whilst throwing a tantrum over a weapon nerf in TF2
>Dead Ringer got nerfed so I can no longer play decoy with charging snipers without actually getting killed
>>343314714
Escape plan is still overpowered actually, its a straight upgrade over the shovel when you just need to get to a health kit and don't have enough health to jump and it has utility too like fast rollouts. Soldier never uses his melee for damage anyway he's just too slow with the shovel to hit anything. The only way soldier should be able to move faster is rocket jumps period, for a class with no direct counters that is supposed to be one of his downsides.
It's legit fun and it's 2x more fun when you know how to use it.
>>343315240
all of soldier's melee as upgrades over the shovel.
>>343315401
firing it into crowds and fucking up retreating enemies because hitboxes?
>>343314182
Fantastic.
But the game's dead, right? So what does it matter.
>>343299467
>>343299504
>>343305715
>>343308454
>>343298719
Did you forget about me cocksuckerssss MUHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
>>343306572
Most high level highlander players hate sniper. He forces your whole team to hide until he's dead. He has more OP unlocks than any other class too and hackers flock to that shitty class.
Sniper in 6s is pretty silly too. That you can run one to mid and potentially wipe their whole team is fucking retarded.
The game would benefit immensely if sniper was removed. Imagine no more 4 snipers on every pub. Imagine being able to push without worrying if some chucklefuck 10 miles away is going to bodyshot you with the machina.
>>343312995
They are called "memes" for a reason, mate.
>>343315679
>you will never have more health than a Soldier as a Pyro
>>343315419
I'd argue HZ and equalizer aren't.
Escape plan is just the worst offender since it mediates a core downside of the class.
>>343303619
It's absolutely terrible and unplayable. However, a new update is apparently coming and it will bring competitive matchmaking. So yeah, if there's any reason to reinstall the game, it's that.
>it now gives the Heavy a speed boost just for equipping it just like the Gloves of Running Urgently
>it does so without any long-lasting damage penalty or downside whatsoever
People still think it's shit so keep it a secret you fucking faggots
>>343301157
>Soldier has an OP weapon
>VALVe nerfs it so hard it breaks into two pieces
>Demo has an OP weapon combo
>VALVe does nothing but release new variations
This is why I stopped playing TF2. VALVe fucking sucks, and their continued encouragement of the Nigger Knight set was the last straw.
I play Overwatch now, Blizzard actually cares about fun and keeping balance instead of letting the players shout GIT GUD FGT all day long.
>>343316017
still doesnt punch as fast as i would like
>>343316017
IMO it's the best melee heavy has since GRU nerf. Also getting kills with it is one of the most satisfying things in TF2.
>>343316149
>Demoknight
>OP
>>343316157
It really deserves custom animations for more fluid looking punches
>>343314725
>rocket jumping away from enemies as a reason for not needing a weapon specifically designed for escaping with <20hp
The escape plan is a sidegrade that allows quick escape on foot when health is too low to jump, it also (used to) make you vulnerable as fuck even for a few moments after you reach your med. Any scout or roamer with gamesense could chase and kill a pre-nerf escape plan user, given most of the time they'd be heading towards a medkit/spawn room. It made them easy to cut off and corner.
>>343315152
Is this what a tantrum is in your world?
>>343316149
They nerfed him a lot in the last update.
>>343316017
>playing this on a 10x server while having crits
Those Saxton Hale 10x servers.
>>343316287
>tfw all the fantstic weapons on workshop that won't get accepted because they use different animations
>>343315913
HZ was buffed. You can unequip it now t the cost of 50hp
>>343316389
>panic attack
>10x
What a feeling.
>>343316017
What I would love is if they could greatly amp the speed of this thing in cost of damage of course.
Just because it would be way more fun using it then.
>>343316571
I know. I'd still rather have shovel over it because it can't crit.
>>343308324
I remember when custom game modes were all the shit. What happened to it all?
Those Slag servers used to be really populated too. It's kind of crazy seeing them all dead now.
>>343316789
>relying on crits
>playing on servers with crits
>>343316306
>rocket jumping away from enemies
Already wrong 5 words in.
Rocket jump can be used as a navigational tool as soldier or to chase down fleeing targets to as a roll out or for a million other tools to make it more mobile than just about anything else and allow you to rocket jump from one healthkit to the next with nobody but demoman being able to catch up to you and you don't even need the escape plan.
>>343299062
>BFB on CTF
>enemy scout zips in and take the intel before our engineer even gets his sentry upgraded
that thing was bullshit with max speed and scouts and source engines wonky hitboxes
fuck that piece of shit
>>343316017
You forgot the fact that the damage output is garbage. Unless you're landing every hit, you're gonna wind up dying.
Any good animation mods? Kinda sick of the lazy animations Valve do.
>>343316995
Melee crits go up to 60% when you've done a lot of damage. It's basically free kills and you would be foolish not to use it.
No crit servers don't exist. If you want to play a normal game, you're stuck with valve servers.
>>343316823
Is the warioware server dead?
>>343317103
Maybe you should read the rest of his post
>escaping with <20 hp
I have played for around 1700 hours, mainly playing as Engineer and Pyro
Now I have decided to play as Heavy, with a little help of my healslutlassiefriend of mine
I'm having a blast with this class, I can't believe I ignored it for so long
One thing worth mentioning, Heavy is easy to play, but at the same time, 'hard' to play
Easy to play, because:
>Huge DPS output primary with plenty of ammo, and no damage fall off while crit boosted
>Sandvich
>GRU, Killing Gloves of Boxing and Steel gauntlets
>300 hp, and 450 hp wile overhealed
But what makes Heavy hard to play, is that you're so strong and so dangerours, you basically become a mobile human target for assasins, say Sniper and Spies, and you can be easily focused down by an co-ordinated (surprise surprise) enemy team. Without a medic a heavy really struggles to fight, with competent soldiers, snipers and spies around.
Lastly, how easy is to earn the trust of a Medic by throwing that little healwhore my sandviches and by turning back often.
>>343317287
Gonna shill a friend's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvq5LISWow
>>343317290
You wouldn't even be able to hit said enemies without some kind of speed boost though.
>DUDE TF2 IS SHIT AND IT'S DEAD, EVERYONE IS PLAYING OVERWATCH NOBODY PLAYS THAT OUTDATED SHIT
>meanwhile is still playing the game and having a blast
Maybe people say TF2 is shit now because the updates fucked it up and it's very old as a multiplayer game and lost his old charm a little bit, but i don't fucking care, for me the game it's still alive as long i found servers full of people that i can play with.
I am still going to but Overwatch but i really think that nobody is going to make me stop playing TF2 anytime soon.
>>343317596
Whoops meant >>343317167
>>343317504
>Why doesn't my class have an option for every scenario? :(
Dunno
>>343317287
>Still playing with viewmodels
>>343317615
Or maybe it's because they're underage and/or shitposters.
>>343317773
I am not a pro highlander 6vs6 anon
>>343298585
Loch N Load was the most op shit if you knew how to aim. I miss it.
>>343317615
Lain a slut
post yfw you're not this guy
>>343306421
> people shit on the disciplinary action
> not being a team player and helping your team zerg the field before anyone can set up defence
>>343318028
>tfw it gets tons of crits
>has range of eyelander with no downside
>>343318005
How do you want your trading privileges, senpai?
>>343318170
As far I know, it gets even a bigger range than the Eyelander
It's a joy to kill pestering Scouts with the whip
>>343298719
What was the Tomislav like on release?
>>343298585
natascha is shit, it makes heavy more vulnerable to soldier and demoman who have always been his real enemies
>>343318005
who is dat guy
>>343318170
>>343318319
>>343318028
>>343306421
Remember when something being unbalanced was bad?
>>343318341
It was like Bastion in turret mode, but you could move.
>>343318491
/id/JCapps/
>>343318341
Heavy was disgustingly strong.
>Jump around with GRU with script
>Whip out tomi when you see an enemy
>Heal yourself with your own sandwich
It was like being revved up all the time with no speed penalty so you always had 500 DPS ready to go.
>>343318580
It's not unbalanced if you can whip demoknights out of their melee range, just sweet revenge.
Also it both boosts and damage disguised enemy spies
>>343318580
The Equalizer at release was highly unbalanced, any player that played Soldier by those times knew that.
But the Disciplinary action is far from being OP, in my opinion.
>>343318341
Everyone was playing heavy with tomislav.
Everyone.
Myself included.
It was ridiculous.
>>343317735
It's literally one of the main reason optional weapons are even a thing
>>343318814
>Whipping your entire team to mid isn't OP
>Speedbombing at 500mph isn't OP
>Killing enemies behind you isn't OP
>>343318005
he killed himself for shure
>>343318580
>Has shit damage and the usual clunky hit detection of melee weapons
>Good range, can make allies go faster while hitting them
Sounds balanced to me.
>>343318814
>>343318803
Not even a demoknight.
But if you had the same range with the crop as the other melee weapons you couldn't complain.
>>343318990
Holy shit you are so fucking wrong it's like watching a spoiled child defend themselves.
Optional weapons aren't there to make it so you have no downsides you fudge head.
>>343315021
Fuck this triggered an old memory about someone in my old server confessing on steam to me. I know it happened but I don't remember anything about it, weird. I don't know if it was a grill or a dude. I wish I could remember. The server was called Jiggly something. So many fun memories
>>343299467
It's been so long I can't even remember, what was different on release?
>TF2 is almost a decade old
>>343317824
I know the game if full of kids spamming lennys and outdaet memes but you just can't ignore the community and play by yourself, it's not that fucked up.
>>343319096
Damage isn't really an issue when crit still one shots 4/9 classes. This is how I use it.
>Whip to front lines
>Jump onto point and dump all my ammo into enemies
>Get out whip and enjoy my guaranteed crits people can't run away from
>>343318341
+70% spin up speed, and Heavy didn't have the minigun damage rampup he has now. You were literally carrying around a souped-up heavy machine gun.
>>343319206
Calm down lad.
>>343301157
more trade servers than there are actual servers to play on
>>343317596
Even with the eviction notice the heavy is slower than everybody but the soldier so it's not like they can't just run away. It takes three hits to beat regular fist damage too, which is longer than an attack interval for a normal punch.
>>343319371
Optional playstyles are not removed from downsides.
Why shouldn't I be mad?
Have you been playing soldier for too long?
>Tfw you played Pyro at the golden age of degreaser/flare gun/axtinguisher
>>343319108
>trying to hit teammates with 66% less range than now
Maybe if it actually worked as intended.
It's not even OP, contrary to pre-split equalizer, just better than the alternatives
>>343319003
>>Whipping your entire team to mid isn't OP
It's good, probably too good, but not OP in my honest opinion. Heavy can go sanic fast with the GRU, Medic is fast per se, other Soldiers and Demos can explosive jump.
It's more of a team oriented weapon.
>>Speedbombing at 500mph isn't OP
Personally, never been a master at bombing, so there's that
>>Killing enemies behind you isn't OP
It's silly, but is also fairly situational, I only think it can become usefull with Scouts jumping over your head, and with spies around.
Again, Team oriented weapon.
>>343300569
>Quick-headshot followed by easy no scope shot.
Croc sets were so funny to outplay.
>>343319401
It's a literal chatroom for autistsI know from almost 2000 hours of experience
>>343315021
did anybody report that pedo to the police or what
>>343319489
>tfw i killed every single pyro like that i've ever come accross>while playing as pyro
>>343319508
>trying to hit teammates with 66% less range than now
What a shame.
>>343301157
when they Nerfed this
>>343319517
When a class only has speed -
And you give that to every single other class, that kind of makes that class useless.
>>343308019
>GMG is dead
>those fun servers like prophunt, balloon race, wacky race are dead
>you will never experience the golden age of TF2
>you will never experience the golden wrench drop again
>everyone practically only cares about trading
>>343319489
>They nerfed the Degreaser hard
>It's shit now
Why? nobody asked for that nerf, they killed the pyro, they killed the only weapon that was the viable way to play pyro with.
>>343319489
>tfw playing Backburner/Shotgun/Homewrecker Pyro during this period
Nothing better than a 10:0 matchup against degreaser shitters and keeping my Engineer completely safe
>>343319880
Uh...
No?
Why? Explain yourself.
>>343301157
When they made you unable to get items properly from idling.
>>343319668
nope, but another admin was arrested for statutory rape
>>343315021
>Used to admin a server
>Pretty chill most of the time, servers main thing was just a place to allow people to chill and chat while hanging around
>Friends who are admin and I would set up fun shit for the regulars like mazes or 1 vs All, shit was fun for a while
>Most active admin, But sometimes I like to play some good old TF2 and pub stomp.
>Keep getting messages that people are bored in the server and want me to go and set up some games. I tell them to play the fucking game
>Shit just keeps getting worse and worse and the server eventually dies
Good thing I still play vidya with those other admins. But we still tell stories about how often insufferable those people where who just refuse to play the game and cry.
>>343319489
>Degreaserfags
>Not running Stock flamethrower, Shotgun/Scorch Shot, Powerjack/Homewrekcer
Sure, go ahead and do your hard and skill full 'M1 > M2 > Q > M1' combos to make yourself feel better, I will stay with my team and actually be helpful.
>>343301157
When they finally nerfed demoman but then reverted it because everyone was crying about it.
>>343320035
Imagine, and, just pretend for a moment, there's a class whose entire main upside, its draw, as it were, its advantage, was speed. With low hp and lower damage than other classes unless at close range.
Now.
Imagine other classes could go nearly ass fast, if not faster. And deal more close range damage. And have more HP by a large amount.
That would make that class kind of pointless quickly.
>>343320223
>Stock flamethrower
>not Backburner
>Scorch Shot
>not Detonator
>>343320143
why didn't you report him to the police you should do that
>>343308019
>Make a bunch of friends on atrade server
>as tf2 begins to die, many of us stop talking
>still talk to a couple of them on a regular basis, but havent talked to many in over two years
Fuck me, that was 4 or five years ago now. Time fucking flies.
>>343318005
i wonder if he ended his life
>>343308019
>got banned from my "community" server cause 2 furry admins and a demoknigger-spamming mod got butthurt when you shittalked them for those reasons
>then got banned from the group when they noticed a joined a group made by a mod who was sick of their shit
>>343319447
Being faster than soldier is key though. 85% speed is fast enough to keep up with other classes backpedaling.
>>343320421
Does it look like I'd keep contact with that nigga
where are my proof of purchase bros at?
>>343320632
>Being faster than soldier
Rocket jump.
>>343320689I crafted it away
This with 100% dmgreduction shield and just turtling away and poking from distance might not be super fast way to kill someone but I don't think there's a hard counter to it.
>>343308019
I miss Skillzeros
>>343308263
Honestly the latter sounds more realistic. There's so much broken shit in TF2 that they just never bothered fixing.
>>343320283
>30 damage stickies against buildings
>This is perfectly okay
>Release day Ambassador
That shit was fucking ridiculous. I didn't feel worthy when it dropped.
>>343320741
If soldier has to use his melee that usually means he's out of rockets. There's a reason most demos use bottle but most soldiers use unlocks. He's too damn slow to make use of that damage.
>>343320813
I would always use this to finish people off in pvp. Many salty gfwl messages were had
>>343321027
Soldier uses melee all the time if he's using things like the whip or the equalizer.
>>343320803me too, it was before i realized that i liked the military-themed cosmetics in tf2
>>343318341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlPjyqXNHd0
Basically insta-rev up
>mfw old Equalizer
>old Axtinguisher
>old Tomislav
god I miss TF2
>>343321245
>most soldiers use unlocks
What's everyone's favorite TF2 memory?
Me was getting a soldier on my team kicked for "crit hacking"because I was playing Medic with kritzkrieg in the first few days of the Medic update
>>343321245
escape plan, not equalizer, sorry.
>>343321354
Yes, but they're not using it because they're out of rockets.
>>343321340
>god I miss TF2It's still there, anon. Big update soon.
>>343321365
mines was killing a group of about 5 friendly heavies on harvest and all of them getting ass blasted telling me to kill myself and also that"theres more to this game than killing you know"
>>343321365
Dominating half of the mario_kart as a sniper, including "friendlies" to the point where admin told me to slow the fuck down or else he will ban me.I didn't slow down
>>343320954
I think it was much worse after release day, where it was just buggy as fuck. Original release day ambassador only did mini-crits on headshot. Mini-crits were broken such that they caused shots to do less damage at close range, so point-blank bodyshots were better than headshots. Then later they changed it to full crits and it became completely fucking absurd for a while.
>>343321427
Whip has utility outside of doing damage.
Why would you use equalizer when you don't have low health? The whole idea behind the weapon is giving you a slight edge when you're out of options.
>>343298585
>tfw playing around 2009
>meet a guy on a McDonalds map, seemed like a funny guy
>he was a furry but I didn't give a shit
>start playing more TF2 with him
>eventually we become regulars in the same server that created the Dalokohs bar.
>things are chill for a bit
>suddenly my friend invites at least twenty other furries to join the server
>he buys his way into being an admin
>server becomes overrun with furries
>daily drama
>they pushed a kid into having a nervous breakdown and got him sent away for a couple years
>got some guy with a tumor to off himself
>sent enough nudes and porn around to each other to get Steam mods to investigate the server constantly
>drama always turned into buffer overflows
>not a month later the server was predominantly furry
>they always roleplayed shit
>I joined a CTF map and thought it was a normal game
>killed a scout the moment I saw him
>get permabanned for, "Interrupting roleplay."
Guys, I just wanted to play TF2
>>343309016
Source?
>>343321896
Source for taunts:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHy7G7ndrUmq933tLi_nTlFlvmJKZpmAi
Pic related is from a Valve tour video but it got edited out
>>343301157
Mannconomy update
>>343322079
I mean, the release date. I'm fucking dying here, man.
Survey time /v/
Favorite class
Favorite map
Favorite unlock
Using this before it was patched sometimes made me feel like I was using the tomislav.
>People getting salty after getting headshot by it and claiming hacks.
>Tfw when you get a marksman headshot with an ancient LMG.
Good times.
>>343320292
Not that anon, but if you're even remotely implying that Scout is made useless by someone else going fast, you're just shit at TF2.
>>343322779
>Soldier
>Badwater
>Original
>>343301157
When they patched out taunt-sliding.
>>343322779
Pyro
Steel
Scorch Shot
>>343322779
Demo
Badwater
Iron curtain
>>343321658
>Why would you use equalizer when you don't have low health?
Weren't we talking about out of rockets?
Vaccinator is probably the most broken weapon in the game in pubs with a pocket.
nobody heals pyros anyway
>>343322779
Soldier
GorgeUsed to be Black Box, now I'm not so sure.
>>343322932
Cool explanation.
>>343308019
>community is trying really hard to stay alive
>Extreme lack of new players coming in thanks to quickplay
>members/admins spam steam invites to as many regulars as possible in order to fill server up
>it only works less than half the time
>>343319489
>Finally make Pyro the king of CQC as intended
>Nerf it into the ground
He wasn't even that good.
I don't even play Pyro and I'm mad
>>343321559
No it's not
It's not there
I miss TF2
>>343320292
Even speed boosted Soldier are not fast as Scouts, you're being silly.
Also Scout advantages is not only he can go sanic fast, but it's higher mobile gives him the upper hand on a Soldier, as long you don't touch the floor you're save from a Soldier.
>>343322779
Medic
Barnblitz
GRU
The better be some new fucking weapons in this update, its been like 2 years since the last ones
If not then at least balance changes that make useless weapons usefull
>>343323521
Why would you though?
It's better to reload and jump out if you have health to spare than it is to keep fighting unless it's a last stand and you're surrounded by enemies.
>>343322779
Sniper
Badwater
Jarate/Bushwacka, they are inseparable
>>343322932
Literal argument ad baculum.
>>343319258
Insane jump peaking heavies that killed you in every corner.
>>343323646
Terrible meme
Go to any Valve server and it's the exact same game with more dumb hats and betteryes, betterbalance
If you're going to complain about bronies and friendlies, then it's clearly you with the problem, as the average valve server has next to none of these
There are also always a good number of skilled players per team trying hard to win despite the retards padding out both teams as well
>>343323738
>Even speed boosted Soldier are not fast as Scouts
Rocket jump is faster than scouts.
>>343321365
>What's everyone's favorite TF2 memory?
Playing 2fort during the first few days of release. Half the teams were engies and no-one had any idea where to put their sentries.
Also, Backburner at release. Goddamn it was amazing.
With the default saw ever be buffed? I feel like the ubersaw is better in almost every way because the few times you do have to melee as medic you know when and where the enemies are coming to compensate for the slower attack rate.
Also, am I the only one that likes Tribalman's Shiv? I like seeing spies run away knowing there is nowhere to hid.
>>343323612
There's nothing to really explain. Outside of Sniper, literally everyone agrees that Scout is the next most powerful class in the game. All he needs is HP, and the Medic giving him a quickie with the Medigun now and again fixes that. He's got superb damage output and high mobility on top of that. What more is there to ask for?
>>343323875
>here are also always a good number of skilled players per team trying hard to win
Actually I see a lot more good players on pubs lately.
Probably has to do with the fact that most shitters are gone playing Overwatch or other flavour of the month while only diehard fans of TF2 keep playing.
>>343323825
>Jarate/Bushwacka, they are inseparable
Not really, I take kukri just so I can still do something when I'm out of jarate or if I have to fight a combat class and I don't want to get instantly one shot. If it wasn't for random crits though, I'd definitely take it over kukri.
>>343320292
You're a retard
None of those classes have the mobility of scout.
None of those classes can access their mobility and still engage in combat seamlessly like the scout.
>>343307802
People still think my conga taunt is unusual because of that.
>>343324169
>Also, am I the only one that likes Tribalman's Shiv?
Jarate is just a straight up better choice for that unless you're a fan of the SMG.
>>343324323
This.
yeah, a sticky jumping Demo is the fastest thing in the game
Does that mean the class is about speed to any extent of the Scout? Not at all
The Soldier is a closer margin, but it's still not comparable
>>343323875
There are usually 1 good player per team with a max of 4 being good in a valve server. Never seen more than that. Every other single is complete trash. 99% of the time, the good player is carrying single handedly
>>343324323
>None of those classes can access their mobility and still engage in combat seamlessly like the scout.
What is soldier.
What is bombing.
What is rocket jumping.
>>343322779
Engi
Landfall
Rock Paper Scissors
>>343324516
>never seen more than that
Then you clearly don't play too often.
Are you playing Hightower still?
5cp on any given map is always around half good players with killstreaks
>>343324247
>I take kukri just so I can still do something when I'm out of jarate
You can do just as much with bushwacka.
>if I have to fight a combat class and I don't want to get instantly one shot
The 20% vulnerability is a non-factor, you are dead in 2 melee hits anyways. Not to mention you are already at an disadvantage as a sniper.
>If it wasn't for random crits though, I'd definitely take it over kukri
>relying on random crits while you can have guaranteed crits on wish
I would like to see you deal with pyros in melee without bushwacka.
>>343324198
Soldier can rocket jump and pogo faster and at close range his rockets are stronger.
Apply yourself or stop playing in pubs where soldiers let you walk up to and away from them.
Neato update when?
>>343324169
>Tribalman's shiv
I actually do roll with it if I'm not using the shahansha, I don't necessarily think it's that good but I do find the bleed effect satisfying in general.
>>343324494
Rocket jump is faster than scout.
Rocket at pretty much every range of the shotgun is better.
At ranges where the scout's shotgun is relevant, the rocket is better.
Survivability of the soldier is better.
The soldier is the better class by light years.
>>343308019
>My saxton hale server is dead
Shit.
>>343324606
>Soldier has to damage himself and lower his DPS to RJ mid combat
>Seamlessly
>>343325081
In a closed area, the scout has no advantage as the splash damage is going to catch the scout no matter what.
In an open area, if the scout tries to retreat, the soldier will catch in pursuit.
Soldier can attack during a rocket jump as easily as a scout can attack while moving at full sprint.
>>343301157
when it went free to play i stopped playing
then me and friends came back to play one more etf2l season
then we all stopped again
>>343323631
I'M SORRY SPANNY, I HAVE WORK D:
>>343324952
>favorite VSH server became literal trash
>was sad and about to stop playing
>found an even better VSH with more bosses and better shit all around
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tf2data
Here you go, senpai, pretty sure it's the most advanced VSH server there is. Granted I didn't dig far, but compared to that trash server I was talking about earlier, it's miles ahead.
>>343324723
>Soldier can rocket jump and pogo faster and at close range his rockets are stronger.
No shit Sherlock, but that doesn't mean much against a good Scout. Any Scout worth their faggot ass Lime and Pink accessories knows how to fucking time their jumps to either flat out dodge the blast radius or ride it themselves.
>Apply yourself or stop playing in pubs where soldiers let you walk up to and away from them.
You know, I have over 600 hours as a Soldier, and it's by far and away my favorite class in the game. I say this all because I've seen and repeatedly fought Gold and Platinum level scouts in my time in this game.
>lol just Gold and Platinum ur shite
I'm not the best fucking player at this game, and I've never claimed to be either, but I have seen how high level players play the fucking game, and played with them plenty. Scouts are easily able to dodge the rockets that the Soldier is generally able to toss out (remember that they're projectiles) and counter in a few seconds with their Scattergun (which is hitscan, and literally undodgeable if the scout can aim).
Soldier's one good matchup against the Scout is in highly enclosed areas. Just about everything else is either neutral or in the Scout's favor.
>>343321781
>Don't kill the babies in the nursery
>>343324684
Bushwhacka can't crit so you can't rely on that when you're out of jarate.
That 20% does matter when its a meatshot/rocket/sticky.
Why would you fight a pyro close range just run away he can't do anything.
>>343321781
>>he was a furry but I didn't give a shit
Your first mistake.
>>343326359
>Bushwhacka can't crit so you can't rely on that when you're out of jarate.
You never rely on random cirts.
>That 20% does matter when its a meatshot/rocket/sticky
Why would you go melee in such situation if your jarate is on cooldown
>Why would you fight a pyro close range just run away he can't do anything.
Pyro has higher running speed.
And why would I run away when I can kill him in one hit?
>>343324516
In valve servers recently, I've either gotten 1, maybe 2 shitters or an entire team of shitters.
Usually just a couple though.
>>343326137
>dodge the blast radius
In actual hammer units, the blast radius of a stock rocket is greater than a scout's.
A scout's Hammer unit double jump height is 116.
The hammer unit radius for the stock rocket launcher is 145.6.
>>343318005
Story?
>>343324723
Pogos are not consistent even with the best soldiers and scout has a HUGE advantage when soldier is in the air. Also scout will just wait for you to shoot then double jump over your rocket and chip you down with his good midrange damage I don't even try to play soldier against good scouts, you can't take high ground from them.
>>343326790
scout's double jump*
>>343300538
sssh, new update next week, also disgea items
Buff Cow Mangler
>>343326579
Why not? Melee crits go up to 60% and sniper can max it out in two fully charged headshots.
Because I cant run away from a soldier or demo?
Pyro and sniper both have 100% speed. If you ran away in a straight line he can't reach you.
>>343301157
>nerf pyro's degreaser and axtinguisher, the only thing he's good at
Part of me thinks the only reason he was nerfed was because one of the devs was killed one too many times, they don't care about actually balancing the classes at all.
>>343327293
>degreaser and axtinguisher, the only thing he's good at
Shitter detected.
>>343308324
redsun is still going well
>>343327494
This
>tfw been using Rainblower + Shotty/Scorch Shot + Powerjack/Homowrecker since I started playing and destroying faggots that think Pyro is bad
>Tfw that recent Pyro buff
>>343318259
JUST INTENTIONALLY fuck my shit up, senpai.
>>343326902
Yeah, and I'm sure that the Scout is just going to double jump in one place without moving at all, and I'm sure that the soldier is going to have pitch-perfect aim with his projectiles against the single most mobile class in the game, all in a setting where there's plenty of other players that require your attention at all times.
>>343327092
the only buff it needs is for them to remove the hidden reload speed decrease, that's why nobody uses it, it just feels slow
>>343323532
You get a great surge of uber if you heal them though.
>You will never sticky jump with all eight stickies again
appreciate everything you have now, because you don't know when it will leave you...
>>343328273
Seriously though, why did they remove this? Like, seriously, what the actual fuck?
>>343328273
get medic to uber you and use the SR you can actually go FASTER with 14 stickys, so fast in fact that if you have the caber and you angle the jump right you might be able to smack someone with it before your uber wears off
>>343328459
So demos couldn't instantly jump one from one end of the map to the other and spawncamp?
I can't even play TF2 anymore, I used to be able to play this piece of shit on some ancient garbage laptop but now even my gaming rig can't hold a steady 60 FPS at medium settings.
>>343328565
Dude, fucking tell me about it. They optimize this shit so bad.
I was able to run MGSV without dropping below30FPS, and I can't run fucking TF2 without dropping below 60 sometimes.
It's a nice way to keep BRs out, at least.
>>343327494
Even with the degreaser nerf it's still the only primary used by competitive pyros.
Flamethrower DPS is good now but nobody half decent is going to let you get in range.
>>343328561
Spawncamp with what? The only weapon that allows him to effectively spawncamp is one of his stickylaunchers that actually does damage. He can't spawncamp for shit with his launchers or melee.
>>343328561
spawncamp with fucking what? The grenade launcher will net you some kills but just wait until the first scout or pyro comes out
>>343328763
>2016 + 1 - 1
>S T I L L playing Pyro as if he is an offensive class
He's Def+Support
>>343329010
And degreaser can still airblast, what's the problem?
>>343329072
So you can't do damage with that shitty crutch and thus you cannot defend/support as effectively.
>>343299660
I've only seen used by people trying to annoy others or simply by people who can't aim for shit, and it's really easy to differentiate them the ones who can't aim barely hits you, even with body shoots. I liked to see it being used in orange_x3 and see people getting mad at hit, especially the ones taking that map seriously (of all the things).
>>343301983
Yes, they all have knockback, and it's something that I hate about almost every weapon, really. Turns the game into such an annoyance. Even if you use it to your advantage to escape, it would be better if that shit did not exist.
>>343303103
I like that weapon but it's worse that the shotgun because you increase the chances that will require you to need two+ shoots to kill a player, and that means they can stay alive for longer, even with the faster firing speed it's still bad and I loved it for that very reason because I like to have more meat around me to shoot at and this weapon is good to keep them alive for longer. You can't kill classes with medium health with two great shoots and that's pretty bad.
>>343305579
It does not get called the scrub launcher for nothing. It's like the family bussines but lamer, really.
>>343308841
Not to mention mixing it with the GoRU, and also that extra range counter your low speed nicely when you decide to switch to your meele to attack since it allow you to deal ANY kind of damage more realiably, even if it less than regualr meele. That and Escape plan are just too good.
>>343329010
By the way this chart is wrong. Classes are separated like this
Defense
Heavy, Engineer, Pyro
Offense
Soldier, Demo, Scout
Utility
Medic, Sniper, Spy
Defense is good at holding a position but not pushing
Offense is good at pushing a position but not holding
Utility is bad at both but can break stalemates
>>343329381
>So you can't do damage with that shitty crutch
What the hell are you talking about? Degreaser and stock do the same exact damage.
>tfw direct hit
>>343298585
the most OP unit in any 40k game
>competitive enough at the game to get pissy over dominations/getting steamrolled
>shitty enough that it happens all the time
>only good enough with one class - pyro - to top leaderboards regularly on shitty valve pubs where everyone is retarded anyway
>everywhere else im fucking useless no matter what class
>been playing on and off for 7 fucking years
how do i learn how to contribute to team
>>343329614
Not with that piss poor afterburn damage, it doesn't. Also doesn't an airblast with it cost 50 now?
>>343329819
>literal cannon fodder
Sod off 'umie.
>>343330038
>playing pyro
>contributing to teamhomewrecker and support engineers and degreaser to fuck projectile dudes over. Axtinguisher too probably since DG does shit for damage.
>>343329621
>Dog drinking pepsi
Please stop posting animal abuse.
Give it a coke and make it better
>>343330239
>Also doesn't an airblast with it cost 50 now?
Nope, 25
>>343330239
Only with the backburner
>>343328273
>used to cheat surf maps with it
>now cant
I swear they did it just to fuck with me personally
>>343330038
Learn to play a power class scrub.
>>343329819
Wrong
Invisible chaos marines were better.
>>343298585
Apparently many people don't realize how memeingly hilarious shortstop+critacola is.
>>343330239
>Not with that piss poor afterburn damage
Afterburn is literally the most worthless effect in the game.
>Also doesn't an airblast with it cost 50 now?
25, you're thinking of the backburner.
>>343310529
I mean, even if the class is weak, people who actually use it will know it better than those that don't. Just how how B4nny can play soldier but is retarded when it comes to pyro.
>>343310539
Haven't played overwatch yet, but they also do have more heroes in general and will add more. Not trying to say it is necessarily better/worse, but that is something to consider when talking about options for playing the game in different ways.
>>343301157
Soldier mains still butthurt about it, I see.
>>343315731
The problem with OP classes is that they are usually countered only by other OP class. Even when I think sniper is broken as fuck, I still think that they are a necessary evil because Medics are really fucking good themselfs. Without snipers, Medics would dominate matches even more. You can talk about how it wouldnt matter much because not many people go medics in pubs or w/e (and really, I rarely came a cross a match w/o medics, anyway; maybe it was just me) but that would not change that they would be strong as fuck without having a treath from far away. Even when I think Overwatch is still really unbalanced (just like this game, really) I highly support the idea they have with the Sniper and bodyshoot in it. Changing the rate of fire, the scope speed so you can't instantly quickscope people, or giving falloff damage to bodyshoot could change the class a little bit to not make it broken as fuck but also not useless, especially that you have the fucking razorback and the whole enemy team babysitting you or just hidding like a rat around a sentry nest. The current balance of the classes require something like the sniper to prevent classes like medic to be waaaay too good, the concept fails at making it the sniper so good that another one is required to beat that pick, and that can fix having a broken classes dominating a team, but it does change the fact that you keep the base game unbalanced for relying on OP classes to couter OP classes. It needs a rework.
>>343330956
>Afterburn is worthless
Take it back
>>343331398
You could have three times as many kills if you had shotgun instead.
>>343322779
Right now?
Pyro, but playing more scout recently
Process or Badwater
Big Earner, Eyelander or Sandman. I mean, Pyro unlocks just make him a bit more playable. Scout, Demo, and Spy have fun unlocks.
>>343302848
Not enough to kill an engie in one hit, after the one hit he will hit behind the dispenser. Flares can't do shit to his buildings.
>>343330352
Homewrecker is a really dumb unlock.
>Engineer is dead
>Sentry staying alive
Pick one.
You're better off running powerjack and multi tasking instead of being the engineer's bitch.
>>343331469
But I run both, depending on the situation.
Scorch Shot is just more fun and is a better harassment weapon
>>343331753
Yes it's more fun but not very effective for anything other than annoying sniper mains. It's better to just straight up kill enemies than chip them down with afterburn.
>>343301645
Dr.spycicle was cancer m8
If you had a friend pocket you while you used the croc set, you were basically unkillable unless you had multiple snipers coordinating to shoot you at the same time or get a random crit rocket shot up your ass.
Then they decided to remove the set bonus and make the sleeper worthless.
Why retire hats? More money?
>>343311936
That thing's giving me flashbacks of Fallout threads on /k/. aptly named gun.
>>343332449
It's clear they're testing the waters for something
>>343332154
For
>>343299660
>>343319521
>Implying I didn't wait for you to quick headshot me and I immediately laid a full charge body shot into you the moment the flinch finished.
Seriously the other good use for the low health counter.
>>343332449
Keeping the value of hats up makes refined more valuable which in turn controls the price of keys.
>>343332583
I don't use it just for that reason.
It triggers me every time I look at it.
>>343332615
In that case shouldn't they retire some of the more popular hats first? There is some goods hats among the first nine, but they are not that good.
>>343332887
I don't know, I'm just giving you an economical reason. I don't care for cosmetics.
Asking here since it's basically a tf2 thread, and tf2g told me to fuck off
Are there ANY good populated servers in EU that don't run meme modes? I swear the only options seem to be skial but that shit is so bad, not to be that guy but it's one word filter away from being reddit incarnate, but it seems one of the few servers that have more competent players than gibus noobs
Also fragmasters I guess, but they can fuck off with those reserved slots, I can never play
>one guy finally leaves the server so I can join
>try to connect
>kicked out
>"Server is full."
>refresh and there are still 1-2 slots available
>>343318005
Does a VAC ban on record mean no more trading?
>>343333000
No.
Valve servers are all there is if you want to play normal TF2.
>>343333048
Yes, all VAC bans are trade bans.
>>343333048
yep, your inventory is forever locked
all that mate can do is look at his stuff now
IT'S HAPPENING
>>343331897
It depends. SS allows you to force scouts and medics to retreat, allows you to harass snipers, and gives you the ability to engage one of your hard counters (Heavy) without getting in his effective range. It also unlocks higher mobility for Pyro and at less of an HP cost than The Detonator.
If you're playing a support/defensive pyro as you should, you're also basically marking enemies for death for your front liners to deal with more easily. It also effectively acts as a long-range airblast, allowing you to fuck with ubers without sacrificing yourself.
SS has a shitton of utility.
>>343331897
It can slow somebody that is not too close to the point and help you defend it that way.
>>343308019
hey csp
>>343333390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-rsmCTr91U
>>343333440
>It depends. SS allows you to force scouts and medics to retreat
But at the cost of not being able to fight at medium range. Spamming at range doesn't make any sense when soldier and demo are way better at it.
>and gives you the ability to engage one of your hard counters (Heavy) without getting in his effective range
You're better off using flares for this.
>It also unlocks higher mobility for Pyro and at less of an HP cost than The Detonator.
But also much less height. Detonator can go as far as a regular rocket jump. Scorch shot does what, a third of that? Plus that mobility isn't that great if you don't have a means of doing burst damage.
>If you're playing a support/defensive pyro as you should, you're also basically marking enemies for death for your front liners to deal with more easily
But also consider not having flare/shotgun means you can't defend your teammates if something gets in your face. If for example something jumps your medic you're not going to be able to deny them.
>It also effectively acts as a long-range airblast
They have to be on fire already to get any significant knockback which obviously isn't going to be the case if they're ubered.
Utility is great don't get me wrong but classes like soldier, heavy, and demo can afford to trade away some damage because they can still be really effective without a secondary. Pyro without a secondary is a fucking joke, flamethrower is absolute garbage.
>Used to play on Mario Kart map because sometimes I'd just want to play without objectives
>Everyone who played on there was absolutely cancerous, there was either try hard kids or meme lord manchildren, basically /b/
>Everything about it was awful and I don't know why I kept playing
>>343329819
slugga boys with burners in wartrukks
warboss with AT equipment
no greater hell than this
Not played in ages, how is black box viewed? because with two BB soldiers who knew how to exploit health kit spawns on a team with no competent medics, me and a friend used to run trains on people all day.
>>343304207
I never realised how bullshit OP this was until I played again after being away for ages in like 2014 or some shit and holy Christ it was fun wrecking pub games. As close to no-skill as Pyro ever got, even during the Backburner days.
I usually played degreaser/bs/axtinguisher pyro when I played him at all and the sudden uptick in mad faggots was amazing
>>343336250
>Not played in ages, how is black box viewed?
Still annoying but not as bad as it used to be.
You only get 20 health max now and it's damage dependent.
>yfw the update gets delayed until next tuesday
>>343308019
>tfw the community server I admin in was just barely saved by the existence of discord
Its far off from ever seeing its hey day ever again but I'll take what I can get.
>>343336751
Have they confirmed a release date yet?
>>343337014
According to SLIN it's "right around the corner", they added new videos to the TF2 youtube a few days ago, and b4nny has been hinting it for a while now.
>>343300569
>Dr. Enforcicle
it's been a while since ive seen that
>>343337014
there's also this
>>343333000
>going to tf2g
Don't do that
>>343337530
>/vg/ was the first board I visited
>/tf2g/ was basically the only place I browsed 4chan from 2012-2014
>/tf2g/ got so fucking bad I eventually left and haven't been to /vg/ since
Feels bad, man, there were some cool cats on that general. I still talk to a couple of them.
>tfw shitting on Scouts with the bison
>>343318341
underage
>>343337014
I think its tonight, within the next 4 hours
I will be very sad if it isnt
>>343322779
Scout
Harvest
None, I play vanilla loadouts
>>343322779
Heavy
2Fort
Pocket Pistol or Family Business. I used the PP before nerf, and FB before buff. I still love my little beauties.
>>343337958
>/tf2g/ was basically the only place I browsed 4chan from 2012-2014
How could you do that?
Remember how good and OP the caber was before it was nerfed?
There were few things as satisfying as equipping a shield, the booties, and going in for a one-and-done med kill.
Or getting your sticky jumper out, jumping across the map, whipping out that bad boy and smacking someone across the face with it.
Now it's a joke. A parody of what it used to be.
I can forgive the BFB nerf, I can forgive the fact that there's no strange variant of the Iron Bomber, but I cannot, and will not forgive the caber nerf.
Have you guys noticed any bugs since the last update? The other day I sapped a teleporter and then started shooting at it with my revolver and it didn't do any damage.
>>343338796
I honestly enjoyed myself. It felt like an actual community. It wasfun
>>343339164
I can't even fucking 1 shot snipers anymore with it? I feel like I did about a week ago but it does shit now
>>343322779
Medic
Powerhouse
Crusaders CrossbowI live for Crossbow frags
>>343322779
Medic
Don't care
HOMEWRECKER
>>343339023
>2fort
>>343322779
marine
gravel pit
weapon rafts
>>343304276
>huskar
hahahahahhaahaha
>>343322779
Soldier
Egypt or Mann Manor
Disciplinary Action
>>343339350
My nigga
>>343322779
Scout
Barnblitz orcp_dustbowl
Sandman or Cow Mangler
>>343322779
>Spy
>Harvest
>Big Earner
Release Enforcer was by far the greatest spy pistol ever
The only reason you wouldn't use it was because you wanted set bonuses
>>343339551
Yeah, Huskar will never be perfectly balanced. He's either really terrible or a snowballing monster depending on which patch we're talking about - and currently he's trash.
>>343339767
sick crossbow
>>343301157
hats. Then they reanimated the corpse and killed it again with f2p
>that moment when you finally learn how to play and can hop to pretty much any class and be successful
>>343337014
Gabe here
uploading it right now ;)
>Try to heal a person to full health with the crossbow because the fucker needs full health NOW
>fucker keeps jumping up and down for no reason so I can't hit my arrows and he gets killed
I swear some people don't know what half of the items even do.
>>343338663
>This
I Love The Anti-Coward Laser
rate my medigun
>>343340014
what is pure damage
>>343340397
likewise
>>343299660
fucking hate the change where the jarate duration is based on charge.
it was a great supportive alternative to the normal one.
now what the fuck is the point, just git gud with the normal rifle.
>>343340206
>fucker keeps jumping up and down for no reason so I can't hit my arrows and he gets killed
s-sorry
I'm trying to not die I don't want to be an easy target
>>343340397
I like it, but I almost never use stock medigun since Kritz is so fun.
>tfw Strange Kritzkrieg got rereleased
I'm late but this will always be my baby.
>Enemy medic activates kritzkreig
>TOOT TOOT
When the fuck is this update?
>tfw keys used to be 2.33 refined
>last i heard they were 20-something refined
>>343323631
>tfw teek is fated to die a terrible death within a year or so if valve doesn't fix quickplay
That might be what actually makes me drop the game.
>>343341007
Just buy a key and trade for metal you retard.
>>343341007
You think that's bad?
News flashBuds are around 10 keys
>>343341138
>he buys keys
>>343340787
i didnt have a strange kritz until a few weeks ago. i had unboxed a strange whateverskin wrench and sold it on the SM for 50 bucks, bought a bunch of keys, and bought a Kritzkrieg with it.
>>343317983
kill yourself
>>343341217
>$2 for a dozen hats
why wouldn't you?
>>343341490
I'm on it
>>343341683
>paying money for something you can easily get without having to pay money
>>343342003
>you can easily get without having to pay money
On average it takes 2 weeks for 1 refined.
$2 for 40 weeks worth of refined is well worth it.
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