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>Worse performance than a mildly OC'd 970
>Worse performance than a R9 390
>Draws a higher average wattage than what the maximum 75W limit allows through the PCI-E rail, AT STOCK CLOCK
>Long term use will result in a fried motherboard
>Uses more than 150W at stock clocks, despite it being claimed to be a 150W card
>OC'd draws 200W easily, and pushes PCI-E way beyond it's specified limits
>AMD reps trying to silence reviews where power consumption results have found the card to not comply with PCI and ATX specifications
>AMD first claimed it was 150W TDP, now claiming it's 110W TDP
I was really hoping to upgrade from my R9 370, but this is just too much. I'm seriously underwhelmed and disappointed in AMD and this card. I don't have a fantastic motherboard, so I don't want to risk destroying it, and I'm sure AMD won't replace it due to their dodgy workmanship.
Multiple reviews revealing power consumption, with power measurements taken at the rails
>http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html
>http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-RX-480-Review-Polaris-Promise/PC-Perspective-Advanced-Power-Testin
>https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/22.html
>http://www.golem.de/news/radeon-rx-480-im-test-eine-bessere-grafikkarte-gibt-es-fuer-den-preis-nicht-1606-121715-6.html
>http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-9/consommation-efficacite-energetique.html
I didn't ask for this. I was expecting better from AMD, but now I'm thinking I might just keep saving money and use my shitty underpowered card until the 1080Ti drops.
>>343281191
From Tom's Hardware
>We skipped long-term overclocking and overvolting tests, since the Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W. We just didn’t want to do that to our test platform
>>343281191
AMD pisses me off so much. They are like a bitch who's got a great personality but when you get her home she reveals she has a dick and it's bigger than yours.
You just can't fucking win with this company. They get your hopes up and then disappoint you when they whip out that fat tranny dick.
Which card would be a good upgrade from a 7950 at 1080p@60hz on a 520W PSU with 40A on the 12-volt?
I'm thinking the 1070 right now.
>>343281612
And then on their way out the door they leave a hot steaming pile of shit on your doormat.
I'm over them. I've been team red for years. I'm going green this year.
>>343281191
>costs $199
>was marketed to be better when using two of them
>mean while in finland, it costs around 300 euros
Good thing I didn't wait.
>>343281612
Sounds hot
>>343281359
This is a failed compliance with the PCI-E standard, which could mean the rights to use PCI-E are revoked and it's ILLEGAL to sell the card.
>>343281191
Apparently only those few reviewers are experiencing that problem. And it's a 150w card with 75 from pcie and 75 from psu or something
>>343281359
Does it turn crossfire into housefire?
How is that legal? Or do they not care?
>>343282073
And they have to get certified before selling, so that furthers the isolated theory incident. But thats really fucking weird, only those reviewers having extremely similar defected reference cards.
>my friend was telling me to buy it
boy, she'll be real mad tomorrow
>>343282118
Lmao
>>343281612
do you speak from personal experience?
>>343281954
I'm actually surprised that its "only" 288 eur here, maybe its that only nvidia gpus are expensive here.
I thought it'll be around 320 here, to be honest if it was nvidia it definitely would be around that much.
>that TDP
>to get the price/performance bang they claim, you have to crossfire
What a fucking joke, to say nothing of AMD's pitiful Crossfire support.
>>343282183
apparently the official explanation is it was "affecting only a few hundred" cards or some shit like that. BUT I WOULDN'T RISK IT, especially since I have an OEM (dell) motherboard that's rare to find a replacement.
So it's a 960 for the price of a 960?
>>343282303
A few hundred lmao, I hope they give those people refunds. But that's why you don't buy reference cards.
Being poor and skeptical saved me some shekels.
>>343282447
I don't even need to upgrade many more times, I only have interest in a few games with modern graphics. But fuck man, don't stray the path. When people say nVidia is good, maybe it's better for everyone to listen rather than to dismiss him/her as a fanboy. I just hope that anyone who got ripped off either learned his lesson or got a refund.
>>343281191
Should i upgrade my XFX R9 290x to a R9 Fury or a 480? Been seeing bad reviews on it.. was wondering if an upgrade would be good, will be going to 1440p soon.
>>343282338
its 970 for the price of 960
>>343282183
No, apparently it's not isolated to reviewers. Other users on leddit and other forums have found the same thing. Some official reviewers have even bought a retail version of the 480 and compared it to the review version, and they both had the same problems.
AMD have fucked up.
>>343282545
1080 is your best bet right now unless you wanna wait for vega
Post yfw you didn't fall for the nvidia meme
>>343282749
>He didn't buy Nvidia
>He doesn't buy the card whose company has dicks in all the cute pies/traps
>>343282303
That's bullshit. They're lying through their teeth. Cards from North America, South America, Europe and Asia are reporting the same thing. So it's definitely not "just a hundred cards".
>>343282545
290x to a 480 would be a downgrade.
Better off with a 1070 or 1080, or wait until 1080Ti drops, as that will likely have better DX12 support
>>343282873
>Hey buying this 200bux card would be downgrade
>Buy this 500bux or 800bux card.
>>343282338
I'm about to buy a 960 my man.
>>343282908
Well you don't upgrade by buying a worse card.
I suppose you do if you're an AMD fanboi
>>343282749
*AMD meme
Ftfy.
>>343281191Just recommend dumb goyim AMD while you get NvidiaAMD makes console GPUs, and guess what the ports work better on Nvidia GPUs
>>343283230
>$499
That's $100 too much.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125875
>>343282749
Can't believe someone actually took the time to draw this.
>>343281191
Even if you like Nvidia, this isn't good.
Intelvidia seriously need a competitor. AMD dying will just hurt the industry.
Fuck.
>>343282749
Can someone tell me what's wrong with having a career and being able to afford good gear for your hobby?
>>343282283
>to get the price/performance bang they claim, you have to crossfire
What? CF is, has always been and will always be worse price/performance than a single card.
>>343281612
>you can't fucking with with this company
I bought an MSI 390 and I have zero complaints.
the problem with the 480 is that everyone was going full retard over it and now that the benchmarks came out everything's screaming like a child. It's like a competition with you retards, "who can shitpost the most"
it's a good card (for the price)
still waiting for after market designs tho, when are they coming? the reference cooler is awful, and hopefully there will be some 8-pin variants.
>>343283148
I am... I don't know i like AMD because it's more colorful.. Nivida feels more bland... sure more AA but i don't know... i feel more comfy with AMD... but i was wondering if a Fury would be good for 1440p, running 1920x1080 here atm. CPU is FX 8370. PSU is ECGA 700 Bronze.
>>343283495
Some people assume that CF works in every game and always has 90-100% scaling.
>>343282746
Any release date of Vega?
>could have bought shitloads of AMD stock when it was really low at like ~1.7 USD
>now they're worth almost 3 times as much
oh well
>>343283540
>le comfy meme
???????????
>>343283329
>logan uses Nvidia and intel
>recommends AMD in all his builds
>says crossfire is "good"
here, have the other image.
>>343282545
>to a R9 Fury
No
>a 480
That's not an upgrade, not unless some AIB custom 480 gets released and runs at 1.5GHz+
>>343283673
Donchu worry, I have em all
>>343283525
Mid-July.
>>343283593
October.
>>343283381
Damn, that's better than I thought it would be!
>>343283673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg7DPighyk4ORGANIC JEWS
>>343282073
Obviously it isn't because they certified the card. They also certified the 1080 which similarly draws more power through the PCIE slot than the spec allows and there are probably a lot of cards that go over especially when overclocking.
>>343281191
use the containment thread on /g/ you spastic cunt
>>>/g/55333602
>>>/g/55333602
>>>/g/55333602
>>>/g/55333602
>>343283230
>GameWorks
>A fucking feature
lmao
>>343283676
Ahh.. How about a R9 390x? I'll prob just wait and just upgrade my monitor to 1440p till they release more AMD GPU this summer. If not i might switch to Nividia or maybe do SLI. I'm always messing with the crimson settings on AA, and i don't know which is better for best quality....
>>343283463
>AMD dying will just hurt the industry.
Not necessarily. If AMD go bust someone will end up buying their tech, and the government won't allow Nvidia to buy out the gpu tech, and they won't allow intel to buy out the cpu tech. They won't allow them to have absolute market control. So what we could see is intel picking up the gpu side, and nvidia picking up the cpu side.
It could actually be better for consumers.
>>343283876
>They also certified the 1080 which similarly draws more power through the PCIE slot than the spec allows
Why do you lie? Are you a shill?
>when overclocking
The manufacturer isn't responsible for your overclocking, dumbfuck, the same way the guy working at the gunstore isn't responsible for the murder you committed just because he sold you the gun.
>>343283557
B-but Ashes of the Singularity!!!
>>343284060
The government can't force someone to compete, nor to buy a company that is failing or not showing profit.
It would also be perfectly legitimate for someone to buy the company, kill the discrete GPU division and focus entirely on consoles, where they have market dominance.
AMD dying either way would be bad.
>buying rx480
enjoy your dying motherboard
>>343284076
>>They also certified the 1080 which similarly draws more power through the PCIE slot than the spec allows
The spec allows for 75W, the 1080 barely peaks at 60W, and draws an average of just over 40W.
>>343281191
What is it about AMD cards that they always need a fucking ridiculous amount of power compared to Nvidia
>>343283910
AMD defense force in this thread is in full force
>>343284227
Not saying they would be forced to compete or buy the tech, but it's just an example of what they could do. Nvidia gaining access to the cpu division would allow them to create APU's for the console market, a market that is dominated by AMD.
>check prices
>349 euros
>1070 is 419 euros
Yeah, nah, fuck AMD.
Bros I probably will be building a PC at the end of the summer
What do you think of Logical Increments $665 PC build with rx480?
http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2016/06/building-pc-amds-rx-480/
Is nVidia going to come out with a card to match this? Maybe the 970 price will drop and I will just pick that up.
>>343284569
>1070 is 419 euros
Where? Link.
>>343284618
GTX 1060 will be released "soon"
>>343284618
wait and find out
>>343284693
I was mistaken, it was 419 before tax.
Being a yuropoor is suffering.
>>343284076
Here's a 980ti drawing more than the spec allows:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti,4164-7.html
And a 960 with an even more serious problem:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-8.html
Why don't I remember any huge outcry about them?
>>343284618
You can pick up a 970 for around $200 now, and the 3Gb and 6Gb models of the 1060 will be released sometime in July.
If history is anything to go by, the 1060 will perform better than the 480 even though it has (technically) inferior hardware.
>>343284180
Ashes actually has like 50-60% scaling, at least that's what I get on my 290X CF at 4K.
>After market 1070 will never come
>>343281191
Thank you for being so concerned about what video cards I buy, guy who totally isn't astroturfing for Nvidia.
>>343284901
>other cards that are out of spec to the OP like the Asus Strix 960.
>There are a few fundamental differences. Most cards that are out of spec over-draw from the external PCI-E power connectors.
>The Asus Strix 960 has issues with power spikes on the PCI-E slot according to Tom's Hardware. Other 960s do not.
>the spikes are the not the issue; the average is. A power spike can last 1ms, if the average is taken over say 1 minute it will be lower than the maximum 75W. With the RX480, both retail and review samples from different board vendors have had this issue identified AND THE AVERAGE POWER DRAW EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM SET BY SPEC
>It is not about power spikes, it is about sustained power draw above the 75w limit from the PCI-E slot.
nice try shill
>>343285125
>posts facts/sources/tests
>lol shill
epic
DELETE THIS
>>343284901
You fucktard. Did you not even read your website link you sent?
"Nvidia should be commended once again for doing a great job limiting its new card’s power consumption via the motherboard’s PCIe slot to under 75W. Load spikes, which we often see even from mainstream graphics cards, are practically nonexistent. Dynamic power distribution across the rails functions perfectly and without a hitch."
Also, here's an image of the power consumption that's ON THE PAGE YOU LINKED. AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S UNDER THE PRESCRIBED AMOUNT.
>>343283673
He recommends it in all the budget/value builds and seems to regularly reiterate that while intel and nvidia are definitely win at the high end you get good value for money with AMDs ageing architectures.Wendell a best
From the german review:
>Anders ausgedrückt: AMDs neue Grafikkarte mit 14-nm-Technik weist eine ähnliche Effizienz auf wie Nvidias 28-nm-Generation, was wir ziemlich enttäuschend finden.
>In other words:The efficiency of AMD´s new GPU with 14nm technology is comparable to that of NVidias generation of 28nm cards, something we found to be rather disappointing.
>>343284012
"NVIDIA GameWorks™ pushes the limits of gaming by providing a more interactive and cinematic game experience and thus enabling next gen gaming for current games. We provide technologies e.g. PhysX and VisualFX, which are easy to integrate into games as well as tutorials and tools to quickly generate game content. In addition we also provide tools to debug, profile and optimize your code."
>implying PhysX is not a feature
you dunn goofed.
>>343285013
It never ceases to amaze me how nvidia cards always outperform amd cards with nvidia cards having 20-40% less teraflops
>>343281756
>I'm going green this year.
>He treats graphic cards like being on a team
You faggots are half the reason we have a shit sandwich and a piss milkshake for options when it comes to cards.
>>343284901
>Here's a 980ti drawing more than the spec allows:
By an insignificant amount. There are very tiny peaks to 80W, something that isn't particularly concerning.
On the other hand, RX 480 averages numbers over 80W, and peaks to over 160W at stock clocks. That's a pretty big difference.
As for 960, it doesn't average over 75W either, but the peaks are a lot more frequent. However, the problem is mostly limited to the ASUS model (other manufacturers show much fewer peaks or none at all), so it's not a problem with 960 really, it's a problem with the power delivery that AIB partners implemented. Not many people cared about 960, and even fewer people care about a specific 960 from a single manufacturer. It's a bit different when 1) the problem is more severe, 2) it actually affects the reference card AMD put out.
If you want to claim that people are only complaining about the issue because it's on an AMD card, then I'll have to tell you that you're wrong. If 1080 or 1070 had the same problem, you'd see tons of threads about it. 970 being an nvidia card didn't stop the 3.5 GB stuff, but did you know that 660 Ti had a similar memory structure as 970? Didn't hear about it? That's because no one cared about the 660 Ti.
>>343285304
you're talking to an amd shill, do you really think they know how to read?
if they knew, they wouldn't be shilling amd
>>343284901
A random spike is not so much of a problem as a constant average draw that is above spec. The 480 has a constant above the average spec, and that spec can be lower in cheaper mobo's, which the people that is card is aimed at are more likely to have.
That's why there was no outcry.
Fuck, I still don't know what card to get for 1440p/60fps gaming.
1070? 1060? 480X/490?
ty 480, I can finally upgrade from medium settings in csgo
>>343285304
Obviously not all 960s though as the one they tested had a problem. Why wasn't there huge outcry demanding that the ASUS Strix be stripped of its certification and made illegal to sell?
I don't see this as a huge deal, lots of GPUs go slightly over spec in their power draw under load, especially if you're overclocking. Hopefully we'll see driver updates to better manage the power on these reference cards, and the partner cards will have better power supply and cooling.
>>343285635
1080
1070 too, depending on how far you want to drop settings and what sort of AA you expect
>>343285635
1070 is probably the best choice right now
>>343285635
Only one of those cards is out.
>>343285502
When's the last time you sucked a dick? Or have you always been hetero-exclusive?
People like you are the reason we have so many social issues in society.
>>343285635
You want to max everything with consistent 60? Then 1080 - trust me it's overkill at that resolution
>>343281954
>boohoo i want my high end card for 199$
god damn cheapfags
>>343285879
not*
>>343285852
I know and I'm still willing to wait a little while before upgrading.
>>343285796
>>343285879
I would be able to afford a 1080, but I'm too stingy to spend that much money on a GPU.
>>343285635
1070 is probably what you want, 1080 would be ideal but I don't know how much you want to spend, 490 could be good but until it's out and tested nobody knows.
>>343285778
>Hopefully we'll see driver updates to better manage the power on these reference cards, and the partner cards will have better power supply and cooling.
I don't think drivers will help the power situation in any meaningful way, I think it'll come down to waiting for non-reference 480s and having the power addressed with more than just a 6pin connector.
>>343286095
>I don't think drivers will help the power situation in any meaningful way,
It could be a bug in the power management code keeping it in a higher power state than it should.
> I think it'll come down to waiting for non-reference 480s and having the power addressed with more than just a 6pin connector.
I was waiting for those anyway.
he fell for the pc meme, spent $600 just to run games at 1080/60.
>>343286081
That 1080 will give you a couple of years of solid gaming at 1440p. Then you can slap on an NZXT G10 and an AIO cooler and overclock it to get some more out of it.
>>343286248
I read earlier today that the powermanagement side of the 480 comes down to the engineering of the PCB, and that they can't do much to the power supply without redesigning the entire card.
Bros I'm using a 7970. Would the 480 be a solid upgrade?
>>343286453
It would, but wait for partner cards, the refernce model is shit.
>He fell for the AMD meme
>>343286453
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1722?vs=1748
Note: 7970 overclocks pretty decently while current 480s barely OC at all.
As a comparison, 7970 vs 1070
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1722?vs=1731
rx 480 is a pile of shit, gtx 970 is a pile of shit
the fuck do i buy then? a fucking 1070 for a billion dollars?
>>343286670
1060 when it comes out
>>343286670
This dick bb
>>343286391
There's a ton of software involved in the power management, you can even check out a lot of the driver code for it since AMD opened it up so that it could be merged into the main Linux source tree.
>>343286670
Get a PS4
I'm about to buy gtx960.
Should I go for the 2 or 4 gb version?
>>343286453
It'll be a decent step up but wait for non-reference cards.
>>343286391
That is what we're getting at when we say "wait for non-reference cards".
>>343286783
why dont i just hang myself instead?
>my face on behalf of all nz/ausfags when this "budget", "entry level" card is 500 dollary doos
>>343286081
i am planing to get a 1080 too and hoping it will last me for the next 4-5 years. i ll probs gonna slap another 1080 when the next gen comes and it gets cheaper.
>>343281191
>Uses more than 150W at stock clocks, despite it being claimed to be a 150W card
GTX 980 does that too. It's "claimed" that it's 180W card but it actually takes way more than that.
>>343286670
You wait for black Friday and buy the 1070 at 20 off. That's what im doing at least ill buy the cheapest one even power fucking color i don't give a shit.
>>343286796
If you're only playing mobas, 2gb, otherwise get the 4gb, could wait for a 480 since it's about the same price and gets you nearer 970 performance.
>>343286891
You're better off buying something cheaper and then upgrading to something similarly priced in 2-3 years.
A 1080 is a beast now, but it'll be beaten by midrange cards a couple of new architectures down the line.
Don't bother with the 1080 unless you're actually using it for VR or 4k
>>343286993
TDP is defined in different ways. Not exactly sure how nvidia defined it, but average load while gaming is certainly lower than 180W. Peak during furmark obviously goes above it, but I don't think anyone defines TDP like that.
As for 480, its average power draw while gaming is above its TDP as well.
>>343286891
$600 card not last 4 years lmao pc gaming
>>343287131
but when are the new architectures coming? i reckon it ll take at least 3 years for 1080 to be properly beaten. even 780 is a good card today, 2x 1080 will definetaly last 5 years.
>>343282749
>>343283230
HD remake
>>343286586
>>343286649
>>343286825
I want to upgrade next month though. Will the non reference cards be out by then?
>>343283381
https://www.4launch.nl/producten?keyword=gtx+1070
500 Euro equals
555.04 US Dollar
Just fuck my country up senpai.
>>343281191
Nvidia GTX 950 > AMD RX 480
>>343286750
>you can even check out a lot of the driver code
sorry bro i'm not a hacker
>>343287191
Defining the TDP under maximum possible is unhelpful for anything but the marketing department. My MSI 980 Gaming claims it has a TDP of 165W, but this is mind numbingly bullshit. It goes into 200s. Shit is overclocked.
>>343281359
>100W, peaking at 200W
Where is the AMD master race shills now?
>>343281954
>using two
>400W
>Goodbye Motherboard
>>343286847
Cheapest 480 I've seen in Aus is $319 for the 4gb model, which is about on par with US prices.
We don't traditionally get charged high prices for AMD products, but that's probably because nobody buys them.
>>343285815
So, I thought the non founder 1070 cards would be 100dollar cheaper, I dont see that? Does that come later?
>>343287519
>Where is the AMD master race shills now?
Sitting in their sauna's while playing """""high end games""""" on their """""high end equivalent graphic card"""""
>>343286847
Isn't Australia's minimum wage like three times as much as the States'?
>AMD fails again
Oh dear
>>343281359
HAAHHAHAHA
>>343287896
I pity those who buy the AMD meme and don't have air conditioning
It's gonna be africa 50C in their rooms
>>343287964
It's about 2 dollars more
>But the australian dollar is worth 1.5x less
>>343287801
$70.
Cheapest 1070s are $400 now, $20 above MSRP.
>>343287964
According to google, and converted to USD, America is 7.25 and Australia is 12.86.
In 2004 I build my first PC
I fell for the AMD meme and I bought a AMD processor. The avg temperature was 71C and I had a fucking loud cpu fan at max settings
NEVER
AGAIN
>>343282228
>she
>>343288067
It can be a winter computer.
I just got a GTX Titan 6gb for £260 since the 1070 has gutted the pricing for them, did I do well?
Reggie CEO of AMD in 2017
>>343288109
Thanks senpai, do you also know if the gtx 970 will get a pricedrop?
>>343286847
It's around 1000-1200 kebabucks.
1 dollar is around 2.9 liras.We dont gain much money as well
>>343288362
Wow £260, that's like $130 that's a really good price.
>>343288362
>GTX Titan
>260 britcong pound
Whom did you steal?
I'm real happy with my 1080 with an EK water block.
>>343288430
It got a price cut 2 weeks ago. Another one is a bit unlikely.
>OCed draws 200w easily
wew, lad.
>yfw switching from AMD to Nvidia
>Unlike Nvidia, AMD's Radeon RX 480 won't kill support for extreme multi-GPU setups
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3089516/components-graphics/unlike-nvidia-amds-radeon-rx-480-wont-kill-support-for-extreme-multi-gpu-setups.html
>>343288362
GB has no economy right now, i'm surprised he didn't get a 1070 for 300$
>>343283381
400 now 300 on black friday. Whooooo|@2
>>343288362
Titan is about as good as a 970 for video games. 970 can be had for what, £220?
So if you got it for games, you wasted your money.
>GTX 1060
>$250 USD
>2x better than rx480
hold old were you when AMD failed?
>>343288720
That's because you don't need to use 2 nvidia cards to get good performance.
>>343288601
>still 290 euro (340 dollar)
I just made a bid on a used one for 210 (245 dollar)
I just need to last 1.5 year untill the HBM2 cards.
>be canadian
>deliver 25 pizzas per night
>receive cad 9 dollars/hour
move to freedom america
>deliver 30 pizzas per night
>receive 11 dollars hour
>+5 dollar tip for each delivery
Now I can (finally) buy 1070 master race
>>343282073
It'd be still legal to sell as an experimental hobby board without guarantees.
>>343281191
>mfw fell for the rx 480 meme because of you faggots saying it would be like a 980
>tfw cancelled my 1070 preorder
At least I waited before I bought it could have been much worse
>>343289508
AMD MASTER RACE
AMD delivers high quality products for video games
You know how they do that? by using cheap components in the graphic cards they sell your. by doing that they can use the profit to deliver the best for Sony & Microsoft
>>343289659
Wow, that power bar is almost full. That CPU must be really powerful.
>>343281191
>depends on the game
>depends on the game
>at stock it's around 75W
>questionable, depends on the mobo
>uses 120-150W at stock
>true
>they are saying it's an issue with few specific cards, which it is not
>the 110W is the power that the GPU draws, the processor itself, the 150W is the graphics card itself WITH the GPU
How much do you get paid? Who do I write to?
>>343290783
>few specific cards
>>343289659
how do you manage to fuck up that bad?
>>343281749
1070 is for 1440p, anon. or 1080p120fps.
Something like the GTX 970 would be perfect for you. I hope it drops to $200.
>>343289659
>obviously did something wrong with the installation
>ITS TOTALLY AMD's FAULT!
>>343291084
that's arguable. more and more games demand 4+ GB vram.
>>343291141
>installation
>all CPUs handle few seconds of cooler off
>expect AMD
>which burns in less than 10 seconds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSGcnRanYMM
>>343290783
>depends on the game
On average, though "mild oc" is pretty vague.
>at stock it's around 75W
More like 85W.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-10,4616-9.html
>uses 120-150W at stock
See above, 164W at stock.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/22.html
163W on average at stock.
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/951-9/consommation-efficacite-energetique.html
164-170W at stock.
No one has gotten values anywhere near 120W.
How much do you get paid?
>>343289735
Nvidia uses the same. Stop making nvidia look bad you utter retard.
>>343291250
Intel =cool beer
AMD= holy fuck the bbq melted
>>343291273
AMD suffers from overheat problems since I build my first PC in 2004 when I used a AMD CPU
People who try to argue with that simply are 13 year olds who pay someone else to build their pcs because they don't even know how to apply thermal paste
>>343281191
This kills the AMD.
Why didn't you listen?
Now Nvidia will release a 1060 and go for the jugular and kill off AMD or if they are good they will just leave AMD cripped to avoid litigations for monopoly,
Nvidia, at this point they don't even need to make the GP106,l they could easily match the 480 with a cutdown die from chipset that failed to make the cut to 1070/1080 and still have better performance/watt.
>>343281191
>worse than more expensive cards
Is this really the first thing you wanted to list?
>>343291761
>Now Nvidia will release a 1060 and go for the jugular and kill off AMD or if they are good they will just leave AMD cripped to avoid litigations for monopoly,
There is a market for AMD
1) Cheap builds
2) People who have absolutely 0 idea about PCs and buy the cheaper one
3) People who buy what journalists say
Usually what journalists say is this:
"Oh don't worry AMD is good, is a great value for your dollar, it's just not as powerful but it's a great deal don't worry"
99,9% of the time the same people who say this have Nivida GPUs and Intel CPUs.
>>343291761
>Every new generation of nvidia chips beat the previous generation by leaps and bounds.
>Every new generation of AMD chips pull the same performance as the previous generation.
This is why everyone prefers nvidia.
>>343291960
That's the market they've been going for since 2006.
See for yourself how well it worked out for them.
>>343291960
Depends on whether nVidia wants to just make a lot of money, or whether they want to take away the prestige of having the bang-for-the-buck-crown away from AMD.
The latter would hurt AMD more. Bang-for-the-buck is everything AMD stands for. Intel did exactly that with the Core2Duo E6600. They went straight for AMD’s jugular, and priced it at about half of what AMD charged for a similar performing Athlon64. AMD is still feeling that one.
AMD is literally on borrowed time, in hands of the merciful hands of Nvidia.
>>343281191
>tfw reference rx 480 costs almost as much as slightly oc asus 390x in my country
what a fucking joke
guess i'm going to buy 390x then
>>343292035
Actually is a bit earlier than that
I said I build my first PC in 2004 but no, it was in 2003.
August 2003 and the seller used that tactic with me "oh it's a great value for your money"
Back then I didn't make much money and it took me another 3,5 years to finally build a decent PC
>>343291761
RX480 will dominate in its mid range market.
Nvidia won't release that 1060 shit until next year
>tfw 1070's founders is CHEAPER than any other in this country.
On what fucking principle?
> amd
hurr let's release some mid range trash
>nvidia
alright lets make some powerful shit people can afford.
Sometimes i hate being an amd fag but i got my 390 i year ago so it doesnt really matter what they do now
>>343281191
>200W wattage
It's a feature, so it can overclock more.
>>343281612
>They are like a bitch who's got a great personality but when you get her home she reveals she has a dick and it's bigger than yours.
So, um.... What are you supposed to do in that situation?
>>343281191
I like the RX480.
I would buy it, if it'd cost less than 270€ (Which is pretty much the same price as a fucking 970GTX)
>>343292605
At least you got the 390 and not this. Dodged a bullet there anon
>>343292434
You never know.
The GP106 was spotted months ago.
Not to mention the 1080/1070 came otu of nowhere and also the chips in the 1080 are from week 16 of the year.
Besides.
http://videocardz.com/61583/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-to-be-released-on-july-7th
https://www.nvidia.com/content/apac/event/au/pascal-launch/
>>343292749
Do what any gentleman would do and give a reach around.
>>343281191
Another German website confirms the increased power draw at stock clocks
>http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Polaris-ist-da-AMD-Grafikkarte-Radeon-RX-480-mit-hoher-Spieleleistung-und-einem-Makel-3251042.html?wt_mc=rss.ho.beitrag.atom
>In games, the Radeon RX 480 exceeds 150 Watt thermal design power and PCIe specification. On average, we have 156 watts measured at games, in Furmark the card even pulls at reduced clock 169 watts. Extremely problematic is the fact that the Radeon RX 480 draws up to 88 watts from motherboard slot, although specifications only allow 75 watts.
>>343292753
I actually saw the GTX970 as low as 220€ recently lel
>>343293000
>in Furmark the card even pulls at reduced clock 169 watts
>reduced clock
>REDUCED
It just goes from bad to worse.
Time to sell my 970 then. I was keeping it as backup but now seems a good time to rid
>>343293047
Got a Link?
>>343281191
I just want a quiet, cool, power efficient, upper low end card that dosent cost more than 200$.
Is that really too much asked for?
Looks pretty decent for a 200 freedomdollar card
Probably waiting for the 1080ti, though
1060 when
1060 WHEN
>>343292781
Thanks. It's my first real non integrated GPU. I expexted more but it's pretty amazing, coming from an amd HD 3450 amd a ps4.
Alright im done blogging
>>343293338
July 7th
So are we now finally at the point where we need to hook up a separate power supply just for video cards?
If so, should probably run a 240v line in case I buy AMD.
i see you nerds will get angry over anything
but for nonwizards the rx480 is a legendary card
regular people dont want to spend thousands on the newest and most OP gaming hardware just to be able to play metro last light at 100 fps instead of 60
>>343293221
> quiet, cool, power efficient
GTX 950 & GTX 960 are your best options
>>343293141
If you throw away the money to side grade a GTX 970 to this, then you're the biggest fool in this thread.
>checking prices in Norway
>970 is cheaper than 480
what the shit ?
>>343293481
It's a legendary card for deluded poorfags.
>>343293535
Yeah im not sure where I said what my other card was (I said I was keeping it as backup). I guess my 1080 is a bit of a sidestep
>>343293221
960 or 380/x?
>>343293221
Fucking yes, dude.
You're asking for way too much.
>>343293481
>rx480 is a legendary card
In which extent?
It's worthless for 1440p gaming and while it's good for 1080p, it's way better to stick with Nvidia and save money for the 1060
>>343293505
Isn't there a huge difference between the 950 and 960?
>>343293615
When you post in a thread without context, it's always assumed the gaps ARE the topic.
>>343293681
You're right if the 1060 is as good as people are hoping and is only $250-270
>>343292605
Actually nvidia is about making power efficient cards much like Intel cpu. By doing so you'll end up with better performance, less heat.
>>343293710
The difference is quite noticeable anon
>>343293747
Then you goofed. Never assume.
People here are discussing the 970 being better hence me possibly selling my old one.
>>343293834
That's why you speak clearly and directly on topics. Middle School English class basics.
A trash card for poorfags who claim to be
>hardcore gamers
Keep dreaming AMDrones
>>343293505
lol
I want to say something but "people" dumb enough to fell for the 950/960 kinda deserve it
>>343293902
Middle school?
Theres two, primary & secondary
>>343293934
Regarding power efficiency and almost no noise there is no better option than 960 and 950 for under 200 dollars you retard
>it's an AMDfags hype an upcoming card which will revolutionize the industry only to be BTFO episode
OH WAIT THAT'S THE ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON
>>343293681
480 is around 10-15% worse to 1070 in every benchmark you can find
the 1060 wont be better than that
>>343294069
That's why you should wait and buy 1060 or wait 2 years for 1070 drop in price
>>343294069
>480 is around 10-15% worse
Anon 50% != 15%
Are you so in awe of Raja's loo you forget how to count?
I want to upgrade from GTX 750
What's the best GPU I can get for 300€ or less?
>>343293786
I know anon, i didn't mean to imply they were inefficient. Thanks for clearing it up for other anons though.
>>343294142
why would you buy the 1060 if rx480 is better?
Can't Nvidia cuck Pajeet & Co. by just lowering the 970's MSRP?
Fucking nvidia shills out in force.
How much did it cost for them to buy out the reviewers this time?
>>343294171
Buy 970 from any american store and you will save about 40 euros
>>343294320
>if rx480 is better?
Better than what?
So what card do I spend my $200 on?
>>343294340
Yes, but that's not a long term plan. I doubt they want to keep making them.
>>343294363
1060 you fucking retard
>>343294069
>480 is around 10-15% worse to 1070 in every benchmark you can find
kek'd hard
>>343294365
none, nvidrones keep saying 970 which is $250. There is no other 1080/60 card
>>343294426
How do you know? you have the 1060 specs to compare to rx 480?
>>343294363
I don't want to pay more than 200€ for 3.5 Gb of vram
>/v/ said to me that PC mustard rise was free of stupid senseless console wars
>all this graphic card wars threads
I'm still getting into PC gayming but you are a bunch of deluded fucks just like console babies.
Fuck you all.
its rumored that nvidia pushes the 1060 release to july
if its true, it will be the last nail in the coffin for amd
>>343294525
>200€
Then buy the RX 480 and be happy using it as a heater in winter
>>343294551
Here's all you need to know.
Nvidia=Sony
AMD=Nintendo
>>343294551
it's just part of consumerist culture. people need to justify their choices and the only way you can do that is to try to shit on the alternative.
>>343281191
This literally happened with the ASUS version of the 750ti and Tom's Hardware turned around and recommended the card lel.
Keep up the good work, goyim.
>>343294551
the fact that so many nerds swear to nvidia is retarded
they are basicly bullying amd into bankruptcy and will soon create monopoly and your next gen cards will be 2k$ instead of 500$
>>343294818
>they are basicly bullying amd into bankruptcy
/v/ has the power to bankrupt AMD..
If that was true Nintendo would be already making games for Sony
>>343294365
I really want to know...if I'm not supposed to buy an rx 480 what should I buy...
i have a R9 390 and i dont plan on updating this gen
how long will this card hold out because i dont want to update until its absolutely necessary
>>343294818
AMD bullies itself by consistently releasing subpar products.
>>343294954
I'd say the 390 is the 8800GT of this generation
can anyone tell me why nvidia is making such a leap in technology?
they are basicly destroying their own earlier products? the 1060 will be cheaper and almost certain more powerful than 980ti
they could milk the market for years
>Jewvidia is now full evil, not giving a shit about players, his consummers and selling outpriced gpus
>AMD has everything to win and gain the sympathy of players
>keep failling
im so done
>>343294365
Wait for 8pin 480 i guess. Or save a paycheck and get 1070.
I don't even play new games so imma wait for black friday anyway.
I just want good Vulkan support in the future so i don't ever have to boot into Windows, Windows is gay bloated aids.
>>343295109
>the 1060 will be cheaper and almost certain more powerful than 980ti
>>343281359
>Radeon RX 480’s power consumption through the PCIe slot jumped to an average of 100W, peaking at 200W.
Holy fucking shit.
You can't make this shit up.
>>343294931
nerds in general you moron
>>343281191
You know what to do boys
Lets complain at PCI-SGI
fill in the details and post results later
AMD is selling GPUs that are not following international standards and should be banned from the market especially the RX480.
>https://pcisig.com/membership/contact-us
>>343295109
>the 1060 will be cheaper and almost certain more powerful than 980ti
I thought it was supposed to be on par with a 980ti and their mid range card for this gen.
I want the Pooindian to come out on stage hold his poohand up like Vito from the Sopranos and just say "It's ok, drones, it's a joke"
>>343294956
Like a retard that attacks his own shadow
>>343293710
They are very close, and in price per fps 950 is better. 4 GB VRAM on 960 is better though.
>>343282228
you should try to pat her ass
How long until the board partners get a hold of this card?
Definitely not getting a 480 until EVGA or MSI or some shit releases it.
>>343295012
Good joke.
390 is a rebrand on 290, the little brother of 290X. 290X, on the other hand, is a distant relative of GTX 480. Average power draw of about 250W? Check. 95C temps? Check. Loud as a jet engine? Check. All this, just to be 5-10% faster than the competitor's flagship? Check.
What you have is the GTX 470 of this generation.
>>343295383
>AMD
>EVGA
Pick one.
>>343295383
a week after release
>>343295173
>or save a paycheck and get a 1070
>now you gotta buy a monitor too
>that's about $800
great recommendation there nvidrone, I might as well buy an xbox,wiiu, and ps4 instead
>>343295383
You'll want to look out for the Sapphire cards
>>343295506
>monitor
What.
>Monitor + 1070 = 800USD
What
What drugs do you live off.
I can't wait for youtube gamers on paycheck from AMD start to make videos about how glorious is 480 master race
>>343282073
>>343294665
Except Nintendo products usually have a great build quality while Sonys products love to fail.
>>343295612
500+300
Don't bring a red herring you retard. The point is, I'm not going to pay double then buy a 4k monitor, I just want a replacement for the 480 and you faggots keep recommending me some nvidrone shit
>>343295506
Pretty much fucking this.
Speaking as a lifetime PC gamer, the market for GPUs is impenetrable for the savvy consumer at the moment.
VRAM requirements are skyrocketing, AMD's cards are underperforming power hog ovens and you need a mortgage to pay for any of nV's 8GB offerings.
Sold my stuttering 3.5GB meme card two months ago in anticipation of the 1070 and now here I am staring in disbelief at 500+ € price tags.
So in the end I bought myself an Xbox One and, whaddya know, it doesn't look as pretty but it's just as fun.
Fuck PC gaming. I'll see you again once AMD goes bankrupt and nVidia's price gouging bubble bursts.
>>343294551
I swear to god. I no longer listen to these deluded virgins every time they play doomsday the tables turn and now the former underdog is under load.
>>343295979
>So in the end I bought myself an Xbox One and, whaddya know, it doesn't look as pretty but it's just as fun.
That's the weakest bait I ever read
>>343295979
Why the fuck didn't you wait for scorpio or the ps4 neo you moron.
>>343295887
I never said buy a 4k monitor you massive retarded faggot. I told you your options, which are to wait for an 8 pin version of the 480 so it doesn't FRY your motherboard or buy a 1070. Or you can wait for a 1060, but the 960 was hot garbage, so who knows.
Fucking kill yourself please.
>>343294551
you are not only getting no where you fucking degenerate
go play some 3ds this is obviously not your level or audience
>>343294551
what's funny is they're arguing about gpu's and not actually playing vidya
>have 980ti
>play hearthstone while shitposting on v
>>343296239
The ONLY reason anyone would by a 1070/1080 at this point is if they're heavily invested into VR.
Buying one for any other reason right now is a waste of money. Better off to wait a year or two.
>>343281191
>I'm seriously underwhelmed and disappointed in AMD
Took you a while, ati was founded in 1985 and amd in 1969, you could literally have been disappointed since birth and you would have been right.
>>343296192
But why recommended me a 1070 you dumbfuck? I was asking for another $200 card you increased the price 150%. Fucking pure nvidrone go kys.
>im actually looking at a 960 build because overwatch and street fighter look fucking gucci with it since I actually got a helpful recommendation instead from a shill faggot
Lol at AMD cucks. You should just fuck off back to console gaming where you poorfags belong.
>>343296463
Pretty sure SFIV and Overwatch both run on toasters so you could probably buy a cheaper gpu than that.
>>343283540
Are you an actual fucking exceptional individual?
>>343296463
eh? 960 is THREE times slower than 480
NVIDIA master race wins again!!!! We did it guys!
>buy cheap ass chinese rx480
>play a bit
>shit performance
>try to oc a bit
>week later mobo gets fried due to powerdraw issue with PCI E
>rip mobo
>pc parts are damaged
>barely survived the housefire
wew
AMD back at it again
If you hire pajeet, you must quit
The 1060 will have to be amazing if Nvidia wants to compete at the midrange. The 970 is now even shittier than the 480 at this point.
>>343296463
Why on earth would I recommend a 960 when the 480 runs fucking circles around it for the same price?
You are comically dense.
>>343296545
Was looking to continue streaming too, but I cant stream either of those games, just League and ps4
>>343296778
100 rupees have been deposited to your account pajeet.
>>343282725
How could they certified it then
>>343296825
but it's 50 dollars cheaper?
>>343292749
Get your asshole completely destroyed by that tranny dick like that one virgin /r9k/ poster.
>>343296912
Cheapest card on newegg is 180.
RX is 199
Haha my ps4 doesnt have power draw issues at all
>>343286670
seriously I thought the NF editions were supposed to be $370 or some shit
>having faith in poo
explain yourself, anon.
>>343296329
or if people want to play at higher resolution than 1080p, ultrawidescreen, 144hz and so on?
>>343296889
>t. butthurt 970 owner
>>343281191
it was built for vulkan and dx 12
>>343297073
Just fucking buy a 980ti when they get cheaper.
>>343296778
>3gb VRAM (6gb for the more expensive version)
>192bit bus
>$50 more expensive than the 480
>will be another shitty paper launch since it's just another 16nm FinFET that Nvidia won't be able to manufacture fast enough
I have zero hope for that piece of shit. The x60s haven't been worth it since the 460.
>>343296545
Overwatch runs decently on a 760 but the temps shoot up when it loads in character models for some reason
>>343296976
20 dollaroo rebate, 160.
>>343282338
more like ALMOST 970 for 960. and no 3.5gb memory issues.
>>343296825
not in dx12 games
>>343296778
From a historical view point, the 960w was better than the 770, so it stands to good reason that a 1060 will be better than the 970
>>343286593
Weren't they so proud how Polaris has a phenomenal performance per watt?
>>343296825
are you retarded?
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/RX_480/24.html
>>343283382
Some people are really autistic.
>>343297554
By AMD standards it's pretty phenomenal.
It's like a fat kid being proud of losing weight.
>>343296909
Nobody knows at this point. The question was asked in the leddit AMA, but both pajeet and AMDRob ignored the questions.
There's some speculation now that the versions that were certified were physically different to the ones that are available now e.g. substituting cheaper parts. If that's the case, it becomes a fraud issue.
>>343297457
>the 960w was better than the 770
NO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnfPHFzl8-k
>>343291250
>370 celsius
>THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY
>AMD
>2016
>>343297128
There was a review on GamersNexus that found Vulkan was around 50% more hardware intensive than DX12. So it's unlikely developers are going to utilise Vulkan, when DX12 is available.
>>343297664
What the hell, why would they do that
>>343286593
>>343297554
like 6 months ago, you NVIDIA drones were praising the 970s performance per watt, now all of a sudden that's a bad performance per watt?
>>343297772
That's hot
>>343297868
>now all of a sudden that's a bad performance per watt?
Compared to pascal? Yes
why does /v/ have a high concentration of nvidia shills
are you guys spending all of your monies on a nvidia GPU and then having to pirate every game because you're now in debt???
>>343297169
The x60 series has always been better than the previous generation x70 series.
>>343297128
>you want vulkan? Here's hot lava in your PC, fuck you
>>343297862
Thats acceptable because Vulkan is cross-platform, so games can be ported to Linux without having to use a conversion layer for OpenGL.
Games will just release for DX12 first and then be ported later.
>>343297967
You have to understand, this is the average /v/tard.
>>343297967
because unlike amd, nvidia is capable of paying us while being able to make good cards :^]
>>343297863
Because it's better than sending higher quality parts to reviewers than what is ultimately delivered to consumers.
They take the hit to mind share upfront, but ultimately exceed reviews.
Not saying that is what is happening here, but consider the opposite, where AMD hypothetically sent exceptional parts to reviewers that performed as exceptionally, only to deliver parts that had the problem that is being reported by reviewers now.
So, should I get the 480 or should I pay LITERALLY 8$ more and get a 390 with Strix cooler?
>>343297863
Do what? Ignore the questions?
>>343298004
The 960 wasn't.
It was trading blows with a 670, not a 770.
>>343298035
image gave me flashbacks to that time youtube started suggesting i watch people unboxing their $3000+ prebuilt gaming pcs just so they can buy csgo skins
>>343298308
Send different cards for certification
>>343297868
For last generation, it was phenomenal, but considering what the 1070 has delivered, it's not so great anymore.
>>343298264
The only real criticism of the 480 right now is it's poor power efficiency, something the 390 is even worse at. Why would you do that?
>>343298387
DELETE THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOT THEY OVERCLOCKED AND HACKED THE AMD CARD
>>343298264
You should LITERALLY wait a few weeks for aftermarket options.
>>343281191
>buying the first batch ever
How can people still be this retarded? Did everyone forget what happened with GTX970?
>>343298008
But that's also a problem, because vulkan was touted as a lightweight system utilising a lightweight API. Sadly it doesn't do what it was claimed to do.
>>343297967
>point out all problems with RX480
>nvidia shills shilling
>obviously AMD is perfectly fine
>n-nothing will h-happen
end yourself asap
>>343298392
Nobody knows. That's just what was being speculated. The exact process for certification of these cards hasn't been made clear.
>>343298689
3 pesos have been added into your account pedro
maybe someday you can afford a 1080 yourself!!!!
>>343298451
I want to upgrade from a 950 to something more powerful. Should I run with the ref 480? My airflow in the case is godlike, but I'm really worried from what I hear about the PCI draw.
Another option is a 970, same price, slightly better performance than a 480. Dunno about power, though.
>>343288565
NO YOURE NOT
FUCK OFF
>>343298387
That was with a heavily OC'd 480. Nobody in their right minds would OC to that level considering the damage it will do to the mobo
>>343298035
The average /v/tard is a Jew?
Never would have guessed
>>343298552
OK, that's a good option. I was hoping for a strix 480.
>>343298919
No. Wait for 1060 to release and see what it offers. 7th of July is when it drops, I believe. But if you are absolutely decided on getting an rx480, then at least get aftermarket version with 6+2/6 pins
>>343298035
>/v/ happily pays for games that are easily emulated
this is how far /v/ has fallen
BUDGET
CARD
480 is not 490
480 is not 490x
It's just above low end.
And for $200, it's still a pretty good deal, considering its performance and the fact that once DX12 becomes mainstream, it will have an advantage over GTX cards.
You guys should know how to read Radeon model numbers by now.
Damn.
>>343295979
>bought a meme card
>sold it for a card that hadn't released and he hadn't preordered
>shocked at scalpers scalping
>bought an xbone instead of a ps4
>bought an xbone instead of waiting for Scorpio
Every choice you made was objectively wrong. How do you make it through the day without dying?
>>343284592
>spending $800 on low-mid range cards to put in crossfire
For what purpose..?
>>343298949
Thats pretty easily fixed by just adding another 4 or 6 pin connector.
i don't know why they didn't do that in the first place.
>>343298919
don't get the reference 480 but instead get an aftermarket one (they're coming out in a few weeks). the reference 480 is limited by it's one 6pin power connector which is where a lot of its problems come from.
>Another option is a 970, same price, slightly better performance than a 480
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/72889-radeon-rx480-8gb-performance-review-24.html
>>343298857
kill yourself nobody will miss you
>>343299261
oopsieeesssss big misquote! meant for >>343298689
>>343298949
Still valid.
Especially with aftermarket cards coming soon. Sapphire already confirmed they're using an 8pin (or maybe 2x 6pin). Mix that with better cooling and the overclock will only get better.
>>343298919
Nearly every benchmark shows the 480 slightly faster than the 970. Just wait for the AIB 480's and hopefully at the same time the 1060 is announced so we can see if that's worth it as well.
>>343299169
I don't know man. The only games I'll pirate are the ones I never intended on playing in the first place. But games that I want to play, I'll buy, because at least that keeps the developer in business to make more similar games.
>>343299161
Fuck, I'm not like going to store today, I'm finishing a job and I'll be buying that shit in August AT BEST. My PSU is only 520W, would that be enough to power these new cunts?
>>343299360
I'm sorry, I didn't keep up with the cards recently. The only ones were 1080 and 480. I'll look into nVidia too, if it's July 7
>>343299323
>oopsieeesssss big misquote!
epitome of no life
>>343299587
>My PSU is only 520W
yes
>>343299161
The 7th is when it gets announced.
>>343299226
Even with a different pin configuration, the current card would still be configured to draw a large amount of power through the PCI rail. Otherwise the only option is to reduce the overall performance of the card.
>>343299656
Ok, that's good.
>>343296778
>The 1060 will have to be amazing if Nvidia wants to compete at the midrange.
kek
You do realize that AMD created a dud that can only compete with its price? Nvidia will have no problem making a smaller Pascal GPU, with better performance and better efficiency than 480. Their 1070 already consumes less power than 480, and also happens to be 50% more powerful.
>>343299591
>epitome of no life
once again i just keep on misclicking silllllly meeeeee~ >>343299261
>>343282118
ehehehe
>>343299258
Or wait another few weeks more and see what the aftermarket 1060's are capable of. Considering the huge jump in performance from the 970 to 1070, I think it's fair to say we could expect the 1060 to be 15-20% faster than the 970, and will priced around the same as an aftermarket 480.
>>343299749
so you want the 1060 to be a 1070 but with a reduced price
kekkkkkkkkkkkkkk
>>343281191
>mfw they fell for AMD's lies again
>>343299912
Are all amdrones this bad at reading?
>>343298035
>970 3.5 episode
>threads all the time it's the biggest travesty ever
>480 draws more power than the PCIe slot is made for and can kill your motherboard
>eh it's just amd, you nvidia shills are dumb
isn't it time for you to shit on the street?
>>343281191
A non reference OC 970 beats a reference midranged 480
What a shocker
>>343281191
I'm not surprised.
#nvidiamasterrace
AMD presents their tech with a poo-in-the-loo Indian. Of course it's shit.
>>343299587
>I'll be buying that shit in August AT BEST
That's perfect. It'll be long enough for Nvidia and AMD aftermarket cards to be released and rigorously tested, and you'll get a better idea of what to buy.
>>343299954
>amdrones
try again biggest kek loser
>>343299956
3.5 episode was fun.
It took people over 3 months to even find out about the issue. Then suddenly there were people saying it's the end of the world and makes the card completely worthless. How can you say such things with a straight face when thousands of people didn't notice anything wrong for over 3 months?
>>343299954
Have they ever been good at reading?
>>343300221
Great!
I'm just too fucking impatient for comfort, it's almost paralyzing my work. Seriously, I have a translation to finish which will get me the money to buy the card, but I spend all my time with looking at benchmarks. It's horrible.
>>343299912
That's not what he said at all...
>>343281191
>>Long term use will result in a fried motherboard
If you have a shitty ASRock motherboard for sure it will, otherwise it wont happen.
At most fuck up the PCIe Slot.
Still i wont try my luck with it, lest see what aftermarket cards can do.
>>343281191
tl:dr : amd pushed a half baked card into the market. it's not going to be OK until amd itself correct the gpu design.
it also raises a lot of questions because amd for sure knew the power draw of their design. doesn't fares well for their engineering (and consequently, dependability in the long term) capabilities, if I want to go really hard on amd.
>>343300682
Most motherboard no matter how good are made to withstand constant power pull over the industry safety limit.
>>343300775
The power issues comes from it being a 6pin connector. The AIB cards from Saphire, XFX, Asus, etc are all coming with 8pin connectors so it's going to be fine. Only fools buy reference cards anyway.
Is a 1070 the cheapest card to run games at 2x1920x1080@144hz?
>>343300521
>pretending to be another anon
how embarrassing
>>343300913
sure, OEM designers would make better and much more efficient designs, if it can be solved on pcb, (I don't know exact reason for the power draw) but I wonder, how the hell amd missed this.
>>343300913
>it's fine that a card draws 100W from the PCI-e rail because aftermarket cards will have an 8pin, even though the card will still be set to draw way too much from the rail
Please stop.
>>343300987
Most likely
>>343301109
True. This is a big misstep by AMD, a needless misstep.
>>343301137
...but with an 8pin connector the cards won't be drawing from the extra from the rail.
friend who works in microchip development says the power issues indicate they chose to jump the clock way up at the end of development, after the part was already finished and done basically.
>weeks and weeks of the most smug AMDposting i've ever seen
>don't bother getting involved in arguments
>just tell people the dx12/async compute games don't matter, synthetic benchmarks don't matter
>tell people rational things like no it's not going to beat a 980 and yes it does indicate very bad things for AMD's engineering that they weren't able to produce a full powered "flagship" card
>every 12 year old /g/ wannabe in the world waving their big AMD boot in my face every time I tell them to dare consider reality
>now this happens
I haven't felt more pleased in a long time. This could actually easily kill AMD permanently, forever.
>>343301286
Just because you slap an 8 pin on it doesn't stop where it gets it's power from. They'll need to redesign the pcb.
For as bad as AMD is, I honestly wouldn't want them dead.
A monopoly in anything isn't good
>>343301286
It will still be drawing that much power from the PCI-e, no matter how many 6 or 8 pins are on it. The amount it draws from that isn't based on or changed by power it receives from the PSU.
>>343301286
>...but with an 8pin connector the cards won't be drawing from the extra from the rail.
That isn't how it works. I enter this thread and I immediately see all you people assuming that adding a 8 pin connector means it won't draw too much through PCIE
That isn't how it works at all. This requires a redesign of the board. The power doesn't just automatically flow from where it's best. LOL.
>put 90% of budget into viral marketing
>Come out with shit product that burns your house down
FUCKING NVIDIA! FUCKING HARDWARE LOCKED GAMES! AMD HELP!
heh enjoy your overpriced cards nvidiots
payed reviews much?
>card can burn your pcie slot
Well, here goes my dream of an AMD come back... I guess 960 it is.
>>343301857
>people here actually sold their 970 to buy a 480
>which is a stupid idea anyway, why would you go to the trouble in the first place?
>>343301967
memer please go
>>343302073
don't buy a 960 right now, basically worst card you could buy. either wait for 1060 or buy a 970 when they drop
>>343301521
Same, man. It was amazing watching them go from "it'll beat a 980ti!", to a 980, then a 970, and finally saying shit like "haha you said it wouldn't compete with a 970 at $200! Proved you wrong!", when no one was saying that in the first place, and acting proud their card barely competes with a gimped meme card from two years ago. The level of delusion was unbelievable.
>>343302161
I'll wait a bit then. Thanks for the tip.
>>343295979
The 970 is fine, you are a mong
>>343302236
This is literally going to kill AMD isn't it? At least their graphics division.
Fuck man. I don't want to see nvidia alone, as funny as this is, we'll be just as fucked by gouging and incremental cards.
>>343293270
Why does every AMD memelord keep calling it a $200 card?
>>343302236
How to kill your motherboard.
Step 1.
>Buy RX 480
Step 2.
>Use RX 480 on normal clock speeds
Congratulations! You have now killed your motherboard.
>>343302558
Yes, this is going to result in major lawsuits and industry-wide condemnation.
I told people over and over and over that not being able to produce a competitive "flagship" card means your engineering department has completely failed
Now it's even more obvious that AMD's engineering department simply does not have the resources or talent to keep up.
>>343302567
AMD memelords aren't a part of a failed economic coalition.
>>343302567
>euro
perhaps because it is $200 in places that matter
>>343302567
It's not AMD's fault you live in a shitty failing socialist union.
>>343302567
I know this is bait but.
>8GB
>Euro
weird how new nvidia cards never get constant fud threads
>>343303046
weird how nvidia never released a product specifically designed to catch your house on fire
this isn't a minor mistake, this is the death of AMD lawsuit brewing
>>343302558
I don't think AMD were counting on reviewers using specialized equipment to test the power consumption of these cards. I think they were expecting them to use cheap shitty wattmates.
>AMD caught in a web of deceit
>>343303117
>weird how nvidia never released a product specifically designed to catch your house on fire
how short some people's memories are
>>343303117
>nvidia never released a product specifically designed to catch your house on fire
What's it like being 10 years old?
>>343303117
>weird how nvidia never released a product specifically designed to catch your house on fire
Are you literally 12 years old? Fermi.
>>343302957
I think my place matters
>>343303187
>>343303206
>b-but some of their cards got really hot!!!
LOL we're talking about a violation of the PCI-Express specification little buddies, not a card being thermally hot.
Sorry but there's no fanboy argument for you to make here, one company has violated trade rules and is selling consumers a counterfeit product, nvidia never did such. Open and shut.
>>343303257
You'd be wrong.
>>343302675
>engineering department has completely failed
I've never understood how AMD can be so far behind the 8-ball when it comes to designing new graphic cards. Every generation has only very minor improvements, and it's only through aftermarket cards redesigning them that they get even close to being worthwhile. Meanwhile nvidia seem to set a new standard with every new generation.
From everything I've read about AMD having brilliant engineers, it seems to be the complete opposite.
>>343302558
Nvidia could release a card that can match performance while using less power with little to no issues, it all depends whether they want to maximize profits by charging more for a card with the same performance as the 480 but costing a little more, or they could literally kill
AMD by releasing a card stronger than the 480 while using less power and at the same price of $250.
The 1070 using so little power definitely caught AMD off guard.
>>343302558
We at the overclockers forum Nvidia/AMD BIOS modding threads recommend a maximum of 88watts draw from the PCI-E rail, anything higher than that and you are risking melting your board, even so 88watts only if you have a higher end motherboard with good power phases.
Unless AMD fixes this with a bios update to prevent the gpu from pulling so much power form the pci-e rail(you can with nvidia) they are going to need to fix it at an hardware level, if they don't fix it the problem will only become really dangerous once 3rd party gpus come out which people are going to try to OC, in the end this is only a problem if they GPU is pulling more than 75watts all the time, spikes here and there won't be a problem.
>>343303419
>I've never understood how AMD can be so far behind the 8-ball when it comes to designing new graphic cards.
They have about 1/10 as much money for R&D as nvidia. Literally. This company is already surviving on bread and water. The contracts to make the APUs for the new consoles saved AMD, they would have died without that.
So they were on life support already and effectively just killed themselves. I am telling all of you now, this is not going to be some quiet little thing. This is not gonna be like 970 3.5gb. This is "AMD KILLED MY FUCKING SYSTEM AND I HAVE FACTUAL PROOF"
Big long nightmare coming for them.
ComputerUniverse has an ice price for Inno3D 1070 - just 400 EUR
Gonna grab that one
>>343303419
ATI selling to AMD was a mistake, now their incompetence at the CPU arena has catched up to the GPU market.
>>343303537
This seems a little bit too good to be true.
One can only wish
EVERY
FUCKING
THREAD
AMND CUCКS BTFO
Who's ready for $800 mid range cards when Nvidia gets a monopoly on the market, and $1500 high end reference cards.
The fucking poos have doomed us all.
Im sorry for shilling this card guys.
I was just excited that AMD might be on the right track for once. A Nvidia controlled monopoly is not something we need so I got hyped.
My bad.
>>343303698
Dude i've been buying video cards since 1994. I cannot remember anything like this EVER HAPPENING WITH ANY COMPUTER PART.
And I've worked in IT/built computers/done hardware professionally for like 15 years now. I can't remember ANYTHING like this happening before.
Even if they change the design of the cards (already almost done I assure you) there are still thousands of deadly original cards out there. This could literally result in a house fire in which people die. I wish I were being funny.
>>343283230
>that incomplete list
NVIDIA SPECIAL SHOW MAY 5-6/2016
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SHOW:
1. NVIDIA ANSEL
3D screenshots and Super-Hi-Res screenshots capability
Comes to 1000s series with launch, comes to 9xx series later this year. Free, with drivers.
2. PHYSICAL-BASED VIRTUAL SOUND
3. GTX 1070 AND 1080 ANNOUNCED
4. SINGLE PASS MULTI-PROJECTIONS FOR MULTI-MONITOR SETUP (for any 1000s card, free with drivers)
5. SINGLE-PASS STEREO FOR VR (free, comes with driver for 1000s)
AMD COMPUTEX 2016 SHOW
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SHOW:
1. RADEON 480X ANNOUNCED
------
Damn, Nvidia sure got just told, kek.
>but... but! look at the benchs!
Sure I did, see picrelated.
>>343303512
>only if you have a higher end motherboard with good power phases.
Lets face it, the target demograph that these cards are aimed at don't have high end mobos. They have the cheapest one they could afford. Then AMD fills their head with
>crossfire is what you really want!
which only puts more stress on the PCI-E rail
AMD have really messed up on this one
>>343303813
>implying texas instruments or intel some company out of left field isnt just going to start making video cards
vacuums dont exist for long
>>343303814
we already have a nvidia controlled monopoly AMD shit was always "other" shit for poor people. Sorry, reality.
>>343303670
How? If AMD fades away, Nvidia could focus more resources on making awesome products instead of having to compete. That's good for everyone plus the prices would be cheaper because Nvidia would want to capture the midrange void left by AMD. Monopolies aren't always a bad thing.
>>343303537
>I am telling all of you now, this is not going to be some quiet little thing.
>This is "AMD KILLED MY FUCKING SYSTEM AND I HAVE FACTUAL PROOF"
In a way, I kind of hope this happens, and AMD sells the GPU side of the business to intel, and then just focusses on whatever.
>>343304042
>If nvidia has a monopoly, their products will become better and cheaper!
Holy shit some of you do not even live inside reality whatsoever
>>343303419
Thats because AMD decided to rebrand the 200 series instead of trying to maximize performance/watt like Nvidia did with Maxwell when they found out they will be stuck on 28nm for years to come.
Not only that but they tried to make the jump to a new shrink node 14nm with a huge overhaul to their architecture, obviously they were things that could go bad not only on the GPU architecture itself but the 14nm process, Intel who is bigger than both AMD and Nvidia combined and which has the most advanced 14nm node process in the world had troubles with it, everyone could see AMD 14nm fucking up in some way, GPU are more complex than CPUs.
AMD is a architecture "refresh" behind Nvidia when it comes to performance/watt and there is chance that the gap will never close unless Nvidia fucks up real good in some unfortunate way.
>>343284901
>Here's a 980ti
>And a 960
>people are talking about 1070 and 1080
>but but look, different card, different generation is bad! ha, take that argument
Fucking autistic underage sperglord
>>343304161
>h-here intel here's some antiquated, not-good-enough engineering
>"thanks."
>t-that'll be 1..... 1....1.4 billion dollars
>"get the fuck out"
when will they learn?
>>343303308
cert hasn't been revoked so you only wish you had an argument
>>343303814
>Im sorry for shilling this card guys.
Don't be sorry. They fooled a lot of us.
Strike back by avoiding this card, and all future AMD cards.
>>343304414
things in the real world don't happen at 4chan speed little buddy
>>343304516
they would have suspended it if there was a sizable amount of complaints with the review units as they stay on top of these issues
it's cute that you're latching on to anything you can because you're desperate for this to be a disaster for some reason
>>343304264
>O-ok, but do you mind if I borrow your loo first?
Then they find the toilet seat covered in footprints with shit sprayed all up the back of the toilet.
>when he says he has an amd gpu/cpu
>>343304042
What the actual fuck?
>>343303670
Power VR would be first to jump into the market. It's so huge, Nvidia can't fill it by itself, really.
>>343304428
>>343303814
don't be sorry, analyze what you did wrong
1. It should have been the biggest red flag to you of all time that the company pushed "two of our card is as good as theirs!"
Both crossfire and SLI have ALWAYS been bad. The only use of this technology was in the very earliest days of it, in the late 90s, when super-high-end cards didn't exist and you could simply achieve totally new settings/exceed performance in totally new ways with SLI. SLI doesn't give you that capability anymore and it hasn't for over a decade.
Having twice as many parts means twice as many things making noise, twice as many things blocking air, twice as many things generating heat, twice as many things moving, twice as many things to fail.
Please, young men, listen to me I'm older and wiser: YOU ALWAYS WANT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF PARTS THAT CAN FAIL IN ANYTHING YOU DO.
2. You cared about benchmarks of a game called "Ashes of the singularity" Does anybody play this game? It has about 150 players on steam at any time. Have you ever seen an "Ashes of the singularity" thread on /v/?
Ashes of the singularity is a DX12 game. If you've been around for even one generation of video games, you've seen that when a new DirectX revision comes out, it takes games YEARS to catch up. Mostly because right now, DX12 is only available on Windows 10, and with about 30% of Steam users still on Windows 7 why would you even make a DX12 game?
Ashes of the singularity is an asynchronous compute game. Nvidia chose not to build strong support for asynchronous compute into their cards. This is because nvidia controls the industry and doesn't think it is important. So Ashes, one of the ONLY games to use async compute, shows a natural benefit for AMD cards in two ways.
It's as if AMD invented a technology, claimed it mattered, showed benchmarks of the only game to use it, and then you waved it in people's face as an Nvidia failing that they don't support the technology.
>>343303117
>he doesn't remember the exploding and melting MOSFETs
>>343304328
Never.
They only had a small window for shilling before real review will roll out so they did their best.
Now the shilling is over. AMD ded.
>>343305140
Basically this. Also, quoting another person
>If AMD rates the cards at 150W TDP, they are not magically going to be significantly below that. They will be in the same range of power as the GTX970 and GTX1070.
>If AMD makes a comparison against the GTX970 and GTX980 in some slides, then that is apparently what they think they will be targeting.
>If AMD does not mention anything about DX12_1 or other fancy new features, it won’t have any such things.
>You only go for aggressive pricing strategy if you don’t have anything else in the sense of a unique selling point.
>>343305173
>faulty individual components are the same as faulty intentional design
faulty individual components are the result of bad batches of components, bad quality control, or trying to be cheap.
faulty intentional design is a result not only of trying to be cheap, but insidiously not caring whether you cause damage by being cheap.
>>343305106
great sample size
it's over amd is finished etc.
>>343305092
it doesn't look like anyone is interested in the desktop parts market, we'll end up with Intel/Nvidia monopoly
The only bad part about the new Nvidia cards is that supply is so low... Nvidia doesn't even want my money.
>>343286250
How much does xbox scorpio cost? Does it run 30fps? I don't think so
>>343305357
>faulty individual components
They weren't though
>>343304214
>>343304175
>>343305081
I wonder if people in /v/ or /g/ even know how much money does Nvidia invest in research.
Protip, Nvidia has researched and co created most of the rendering methods available today, not to mention different AA modes and different types of technology unrelated to GameWorks.
Literally no one else is doing it, not even AMD because it cost money.
>>343305404
could be, intel has the means to churn out competing tech. powervr might be ok with their mobile share. there would be competition, pc tech is the driving force of consoles for a good two decades now.
>>343305404
>we'll end up with Intel/Nvidia monopoly
We pretty much already have.
>>343305518
Pretty much this, if I could get a couple of decent aftermarket 1080s at around $650 as their MSRP suggest I'd buy them right now. Polaris is a disappointment, not only is the RX 480 slow but the architecture has shitty perf/watt, no reason to wait for what AMD comes with next when 1070/1080 are good cards if not for the supply issues.
>>343305615
>Protip, Nvidia has researched and co created most of the rendering methods available today
I'll take your word for it, the massive oversimplification and the use of a hazy term such as "Rendering methods" shows you clearly know what you're talking about at a deep level
>/v/: where little kids talk down to you
wow different AA modes!! btw, AMD is mostly responsible for Vulkan.
>>343305361
Tom's hardware isn't the only one that's found this, others have been posted in this thread, even a french used a review card plus 2 different retail cards, and all 3 reported the same results.
see >>343302234
But it's still early days. In another week there will be a hell of a lot more testing done and AMD will be officially caught with their pants down.
>>343305765
>>343305518
it's always like this, brand new shit is hard to fabricate. just shows the cards are immensely popular too
>>343305615
>not even AMD because it cost money.
AMD start, but give up because it's too hard.
>They started Mantle API, but gave up and gave it away
>Then Khronos got involved and finished it as Vulkan
>>343305795
>AMD is mostly responsible for Vulkan
No, Khronos is mostly responsible for Vulkan. If it wasn't for Khronos, vulkan likely wouldn't exist.
Why would you believe this is some sort of malicious bahaviour from AMD when everyone knows cards WILL be tested for these things?
There's nothing to gain trying to sell a product that can damage your computer, especially when the problems arise right after release. They won't be able to sell enough in a rush to make a profit and dealing with warranty etc just sets them back ever further. It makes absolutely no sense to say they are scumbags as it will simply come around and bite them in the ass hard.
>Shill
Bad practices exist and you may hate them or Nvidia for it but this can't be the case.
>>343305795
>AMD is mostly responsible for Vulkan.
Most the stuff from Vulka was already possible on OpenGL with Nvidia extensions, even Intel has done more work for it than AMD.
>>343306292
No, it matters more to start something than to finish it in this case. The vast majority of Vulkan is AMD's work, Khronos consortium just finished it off. You have to give credit where credit is due
AMD's shit but they've engineered a lot of useful things over the years, or are you going to try to take the x64 instruction set away from them too?
>>343306302
>It makes absolutely no sense
a lot of things happen in business with huge companies that make absolutely no sense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron this company was about 1000 times bigger than AMD (not exaggerating)
I'm ok with AMD being a bit less powerful yet in a great price bracket (the famous "best bangs for your bucks"), but no fucking way I would buy a defective product that can kill my PC. What the fuck is wrong with AMD?
>>343306546
>go poo in loo
>now their card can destroy mobos
Coincidence?
>>343306461
>The vast majority of Vulkan is AMD's work, Khronos consortium just finished it off.
Are you even aware how low level APIs work.
Hint, Mantle only works on GCN cards it was design for, it doesn't works on Nvidia neither does on Intel, it didn't even worked on Fury X which is also GCN with small improvements until it was updated.
>>343306378
No, the important things in Vulkan aren't possible in OpenGL. That's why Vulkan exists.
>>343306723
>Are you even aware how low level APIs work.
Are you even aware of how they work? Are you even aware of how computer chips work at a conceptual or actual level? Are you aware of how low level APIs translate to instructions?
>Hint, Mantle only works on GCN cards it was design for
Hint, that's by choice in an effort to sell the technology as a feature, you dumb fuck. Please don't embarrass yourself trying to have this argument with me
>>343306461
>The vast majority of Vulkan is AMD's work
No, AMD are responsible for the Mantle API, but they didn't complete that. Khronos based Vulkan on the Mantle API, so to say AMD are responsible for Vulkan is taking deserved credit away from Khronos.
>>343306108
>gave up and gave it away
When both Microsoft and the freetards behind OpenGL are taking your API and running with it, you no longer have to force it yourself.
>>343306532
Skimming through your link it seemed like a scandal which a few in the company profited from. It was a intentional scheme with fraudulent accounting practices to get rich so to speak.
I don't see how anyone in AMD would fill their pockets from this incident.
>>343306863
Wow nice arguments you got there buddy.
>>343281359
Yet no one cares when nvidia does it. 960 draws even more than the 480 through the PCIe slot.
>>343306876
>No, AMD are responsible for the Mantle API
right, which is the important part. Stop trying to argue about this, you are wrong. I am one of the most generally anti-AMD people here, but you are wrong and it is ignorant to try to take credit away when the majority of important work in Vulkan is represented by the existence of Mantle.
Just stop. You are wrong. stop.
>>343306918
>Skimming through your link it seemed like a scandal which a few in the company profited from
It costs thousands of rich investors and tons of normal people their life savings etc as enron's stock crashed. It wiped out billions of dollars in wealth. It ruined peoples' lives. The investors were going on fake data so they didn't know better.
>>343306863
>>Hint, Mantle only works on GCN cards it was design for
>Hint, that's by choice in an effort to sell the technology as a feature, you dumb fuck. Please don't embarrass yourself trying to have this argument with me
So, Khronos had to write Vulkan for Nvidia and Intel since AMD didn't did it themselves.
I fail to see how Vulkan is AMD's work when what they created (Mantle) only works on their GPUs, while in reality Vulkan works with every vendor.
>>343307054
You're a bit late
>>343284060
>nvidia picking up the cpu side
Their cpus are worse than AMDs and only used in shitty mobile platforms
>>343291250
Athlon XP, CPU without temperature sensor and thermal throttling. You showed them!
>>343307181
because adapting something to be generalized is far far lower level work than the technology itself anon. the actual mantle technology is what's important, generalizing it to other platforms isn't very much work at all
it's like you're just equating all lines of computer code with each other. this is the same as equivocating all paint on a canvas to each other. some paintings are obviously better and more important and took more work, right?
>>343306723
>Mantle only works on GCN cards it was design for, it doesn't works on Nvidia neither does on Intel
It works on Intel CPU's no problem?
It doesnt work on Nvidia because they are greedy as fuck and only use their own proprietary shit
>>343293481
>Perfect card for normal people.
You mean stupid people?
>>343293481
>Calls us nerds and a is normalfag
>Assembles computers
Nice bait anon.
>>343305795
>wow different AA modes!! btw, AMD is mostly responsible for Vulkan.
Then I guess DICE get no credit? After all they were the main developer of the Mantle API while in partnership with AMD. AMD bailed on the project and left DICE in the dark, and the Khronos Group then stepped in to create the Vulkan API while partly using the Mantle API.
>>343306108
>AMD start, but give up because it's too hard.
Other way around. OpenGL was basically falling apart. AMD more or less contributed Mantle to the standard to keep it from utterly collapsing. Enter Vulkan.
>>343307917
I assure you most of the relevant engineering was done by AMD.
you guys are acting like amd hasnt engineered relevant shit, like i said they did x64 instruction set, they donated freesync to VESA, so its integrated into the future VESA standard (freesync g-sync will go away they will just be a standard features built into monitors)
AMD is totally the good guys from an industry engineering perspective...they just...suck dick from a consumer products perspective
>>343308096
Without Mantle I doubt we would have DX12 so soon either.
It shows how crap DX11 was.
>>343301602
It's obviously going to be redesigned for the 8 pin or 2x6 pin solutions.
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