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>http://personacentral.com/chinese-version-persona-5-released-september-15-2016/
MEANWHILE AT ATLUS USA
>>343271313
No dual audio and the Chinese get a release before the rest of us.... kys John
>Atlus cares more about Chinese fans than English fans
What the fuck man
>still no eov announcement
Well fuck you too atlus
>>343271904
>>343272030
since they're releasing it in china with only chinese subs, why can't they do a release with japanese audio and eng subs? for what fucking reason?
>>343272231
It's called being jewish.
>They get japanese audio but they have Chinese subs
>somehow atlus usa can't do the same
Incompetent fucks.
That dub is probably why it's going to come out February 14th
I fucking hate Atlus
>>343272231
Voice actor licensing.
>>343272494
Of course the dub is the reason, it takes time to record, much more than it takes to just translate text.
>>343272598
Ok voice licensing is the reason why we dont have Japanese audio in the west. chinese people get the Japanese version. so what the fuck
>>343271313
>the people behind this are really nice people
>that means the dub is great and you should be ashamed if you don't like it because the people who worked on it are great
I hate when they use this excuse for anything.
>>343272840
It means that Atlus is willing to pay for licensing in Asia because they know it wouldn't sell unless they kept original audio.
They know however they can go with the cheap route of recording new audio (recording new English dub is CONSIDERABLY cheaper than paying for licensing for Jap VAs) in the west because retarded inbred Fatlus will buy it anyway.
I like how Personafags basically admit the gameplay is garbage and not relevant in their decision to purchase
>Wanting to hear the ugliest language in the world.
Even Arabic is easier on the ears.
>>343272942
But why? Wouldn't China prefer it to be in their own language, seeing how cold they are generally towards the Japs?
>>343271904
>kys
Underage.
I'm tired of buying this "VA licensing is expensive" meme
Fucking 7th Dragon 3 Code: VFD has like 40 fucking Japanese voice actors for each gender, and that's a really shitty low budget 3DS game.
Fuck you Atlus, and fuck everyone perpetuating this meme.
It's OK, my trusted retailer will have the version with jap audio :)
>>343271313
It's funny because dual audio is nowhere near as hard to implement as they pretend it is
ATLUS are fucking retards
>>343273096
They're huge weebs, the fuck are you talking about? Real life stuff is a different story
/v/ need a 'Learn Japanese' group for those of us who learn better in a structured environment so we can skip all this drama
Where did the "japanese VA licensing is ultra expensive!" meme come from?
>>343272971
Isn't it the reverse? We're still buying the game despite the VA
>>343273215
>ATLUS are fucking retards
Why? They know you will buy the game anyway and that Persona fanbase are shit eating retards who watch anime dubbed aswell.
>>343271313
How come Persona 4 Arena had dual audio but none of the main games did?
the reason we on get english audio is so that vas have jobs
it's literally just guarding against English VAs being pushed out of the weeb market
>>343273289
I never played a Persona game and i probably never will, i only came into this thread to point out how wrong what they're saying is
>>343273096
Nigger Chinks are the weebest.
>>343273052
Sure it is Muhammad. Nip is actually one of the easiest languages on the ears of all the asian languages.
Chinese or Thai is like scratching a nail on a blackboard compared to that.
>>343273124
Is that game actually bad? WAs thinking of picking it up.
>>343273124
It's more expensive than the dub, that's not a meme, that's a fact.
Thing is Atlus USA prefers to have dubs since dubs generally reach wider audience than Jap-only audio would.
And since they are jewish and don't want to pay extra on top of that for the Jap VA licensing, they simply don't do that.
Atlus is a horribly jewish greedy shitstain of a company, I've been boycotting their shit for years now, pirating everything.
>tfw people only want nip speak because then they dont have to confront the fact that the dialogue is pure cringe
>>343272756
The only problem with this is I'd rather be a Weeaboo than have to hear ashly burch, Troy baker or yuri lowenthalusing honorifics
>>343273384
>>343273234
So American weebs are outclassed by some bootleg Chinese weebs who can actually stand their ground?
>>343273495
This.
>>343273507
In china, weebs are majority among vidya consumers.
In murrika, they are the minority. That's the problem.
Atlus USA doesn't care because they know they will sell more by just making it dub-only than sub-only.
>>343273507
It's not like they're fighting tooth and nail to get Japanese subs for their game and to be released earlier.
>>343273321
but then I have to visit /a/
>>343273587
But who would actually buy a Persona game except for weebs?
I don't see dudebros ever getting it.
Don't some Chinese releases have english subs? You should be able to buy that.
>weeb enough to complain about no JP audio
>not weeb enough to actually learn Japanese and import the game
Literally the worst kind of people. Did any Persona games besides the fightan one even have dual audio?
>mfw seeing all these crybabies complain about the dub when the series has been dubbed since 1998 top kek at these fucking tears
Also, it's not releasing in 2016 as to not compete with FFXV and to ensure that all the nips would have bought their copy already so they dont import because they are infact planning on dual audio. You're getting it so calm down you fucks, I cant tell you my source but yeah
>>343273687
Persona is mainstream as fuck, it has been Final Fantasy tier mainstream ever since P3 exploded with popularity.
>>343273505
Looks like you need to off yourself
I never understood why people would prefer anything other than the original.
When it comes to burgers voicing japshit, the result is usually so cringeworthy that you're better off not playing the game at all.
>>343273736
>i cant tell you my source
Kill yourself you clapistani jewish shitstain
>>343273476
>that's a fact
I'm going to have to ask for some actual real fucking proof. I'm tired of seeing this meme without seeing any actual evidence to support it.
>>343273462
The gameplay is fine, but the framerate is fucking garbage so it's not pleasant to look at.
>>343273759
Kys my man
>>343272231
Japanese actors were probably hired and agreed to Chinese release already. If we want dual audio, or Japanese audio we'll have to start pushing Japanese companies to agree to allow Japanese actors to reprise their role for the English release rather than have the English localization company have to pay again for the rights. Simply put we're such a fucking afterthought to them because marketshare is so irrelevant.
Or you could save yourself a huge fucking headache and just learn japanese, hack a PS3 and enjoy nip games since you're not target demographic anyway.
>>343273734
Anything that isn't instantly gratifying isn't worth doing for the millennial generation.
So instead they'll complain about it on a cambodian basket weaving imageboard, because maybe if they cry hard enough where nobody can hear them, they'll somehow make a difference.
>people still think it's the early 00s
Dubbing has come along way, stop assuming everything is as bad as when you were a kid.
Hell i bet none of you played MGS for the first time and bitched that it wasn't in Japanese.
>>343273736
>I cant tell you my source
I can. Your ass.
>>343273648
you only have to visit that thread
and only when you need help
just bookmark the google doccomplaining about /a/ while posting on /b/ 2.0 lmao
>>343273052
>Ugliest language in the world
>Not chinese, african or old lady spanish
Come on buddy
>>343273939
forgive me for wanting to avoid pedos. Saved it anyway
>dubfags
Get cancer and die
Get fucked.
I can read moon but I vastly superior at Chink. You are so going to get spoilers.
What are the odds of a greater asian area (Singapore and stuff) sub release?
Or do they usually take the US version when they can?
>>343273994
>old lady spanish
show me any spanish that even begins to approach sexy
>>343273939
From what I heard those threads are shit, all their pasta documents are shit and the guy who's running them gives absolutely shit advice that gets people nowhere.
>>343273747
>it has been Final Fantasy tier mainstream ever since P3 exploded with popularity.
>P4
>North America: 0.34m
>FFXIII
>North America: 1.74m
hmmmm
>>343274159
They have good resources.
>>343274052
Those are called HK which might very likely happen. US release taking so long is probably because they are recording the dubs post release.
>>343274030
>being Chinese
I'm so sorry. I'll just play the JP version at launch because learning a new language really isn't very hard.
>>343274159
And what did the people you heard that from recommend instead?
The course recommended in the pasta document is very simple and logical, and it contains a wealth of resources for you to pick from as you wish.
>>343273734
>>343273904
Oh come off your EOP meme already.
Japanese is a shit language, one of the worst Asian languages, and you're really going to get on people's backs for not wanting to learn it?
Fucking Chinese doesn't even have as much stupidity as the Japanese language.
>>343274080
I'm not sure, but if it's sexy or disgusting with you, those are some high standards.
Either way japanese sounds way better than all the ones I listed.
>>343273687
It doesn't matter. Every company is going to try to reach into the mainstream audience and it doesn't matter how far fetched it is. They'll do it every time.
>>343273747
You're retarded.
>Its the same fucking thread
>AGAIN
>>343271313
>English dubs are worthy of your respect
>if it doesn't have jap voices I'm not buying it!
how autistic do you have to be?
>>343274272
Japanese is a pretty fun language, easily the best in Asia.
When you talk about stupidity in a language, you seem to forget that you're using English, the biggest abomination of spelling around. While some languages have more annoying shit like gendered nouns, English is pretty high up there, Japanese is honestly a few rungs lower on idiocy.
When you actually understand the syllabary, you understand why kanji exist. And they're the only issue anyone has with the language, total beginners complaining about learning a few thousand characters in a language where they need to learn 20 thousand words anyway.
>>343274159
well now you're hearing different. With two opposing sides with equal amounts of proof you have no choice but to go find out for yourself.
>>343274217
No. I am a training to be a translator in East Asian languages. I am better at Chink cause it has a bigger market.
>>343274272
>Japanese is a shit language
Then why do you want to hear it?
>>343274272
>Japanese is a shit language
I agree, which is exactly why these retards asking for JP dub and don't actually speak Japanese are retarded. The on-screen text will never faithfully match what is being said, that in and of itself should be enough to stop whatever these half-assed purists are claiming
>>343273915
That was due to ignorance. It doesn't excuse this shit.
>>343274491
that's not the problem here.
it's that we have to wait 6 months just to get dubs when subs would be fine
>>343274526
My bad, you're SEA scum then. Even lower on the totem pole.
>>343271313
I prefer dubs.
>>343273734
>complaining about bad vidya
>not actually learning to code yourself and creating great games
>complaining about shit hardware
>not learning engineering and designing one yourself
That not how it works. I'm prepared to compensate them for providing services. The problem is that they refuse to provide it and are opting to go with the shit option no one asked for.
>>343273895
>allow Japanese actors to reprise their role for the English release
I would play the fuck out of a game in English where all the VA work is done by the original JP VAs speaking in cute engrish.
>>343271313
>it's not as easy as ticking a box
If they're not lip-syncing anything, it is.
Unless they alter cutscenes and movies, it's really fucking easy to let the player choose and switch between language tracks.
Only hard thing would be subbing.
>>343274494
At the end of the day, English still only has 26 letters in its alphabet so no, it's not stupid. The world is not going to end because you don't know about silent k's or the difference between chest and chest.
But a language like Japanese just has a stupid fucking barrier around it that makes it needlessly complicated. You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
>>343271313
>that last fucking reply
holy shit John he never said he thinks the english dubs are bad you motherfucker, just moving the goalposts so he can counter him easily, what a fucker.
>>343274695
>If they're not lip-syncing anything, it is.
Odds are this is why they didnt dub Tokyo Mirage Sessions.
Too low budget.
>>343273215
It's not hard, it's just an expense they don't want to commit to. I mean, why are people even surprised? Both P3 and P4 only had English voices, suddenly you expect Japanese as well?
>>343274491
Yeah cause fuck the original audio and who dosnt love dumb sounding americunt voice overs?
>>343274594
If I was SEA scum, English won't be my first language. I am a brit currently studying in Hong Kong. Dumbfuck.
>>343273939
>lmao
>>343271313
they dont do dual audio because they think it undermines their work it's like asking a guy translating the book to release a book in dual languages because they prefeer the way it looks on the pages.
>>343274803
P3 and P4 were on the PS2. The consoles P5 is coming out on have way more space and capacity for more audio tracks now.
>>343273396
>Muhammad
I actually met a guy with that name, but he lives in Egypt is an atheist. I laughed when he said that, i thought he was joking. It was true.
>>343274749
>You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
No, just like I don't find it retarded that everyone coming out of an English high school doesn't know every word in their language.
It's a barrier only for idiots, and it makes the language far easier and faster to read.
>>343273215
It's not the difficulty they are complaining about, but the finances.
>>343274852
>meme arrow
anyone got that picture of the jap VA's and the other characters they've voiced?
>>343274817
There's absolutely no fucking way you're British, unless you were in all the "special" classes in school. I could believe that you have a British parent maybe, who is never home to teach you the absolute basics of grammar structure.
You don't know English, how could you possibly think you can pass for a native?
>>343274749
>You really don't find it retarded that Japanese students coming out of high school still don't know every single symbol of their language?
Considering they're not necessary for regular communication, not really? Do you really think you can apply English standards to Japanese? Don't you find it weird that American high school graduates can't spell or punctuate sentences to save their lives? Guess what, spelling and punctuation aren't issues at all in Japanese.
>>343274856
>P3 and P4 were on the PS2.
So were other games on the system that had both audios.
As long as Atlus keeps making this games console exclusive I'll never played them. The last Atlus game I played was on the PS2 and I refuse to buy dumb consoles to play their games when PC is perfect for all their games now yet they refuse to allow me to play the games. Fuck atlus
>release TMS without a dub
>release Persona 5 in other Asian countries without a dub at the same release date as Japan
>delay the game in the West five goddamn months just to dub it for normalfags
>"muh licensing fees"
Jesus Fucking Christ, I almost don't want to buy it.
>>343274856
those games were on DVDs and had more than enough space for more audio
>>343275064
>All the games has to cater to ME! ME!
>>343274761
>holy shit John he never said he thinks the english dubs are bad you motherfucker
He basically is though. I mean unless the dude has a wife that only speaks Japanese and they both like Persona, then the main draw of dual audio is the switch to dump the English dub.
>EOP amerifats desperately defending dubs because Murica and fuck Japs for muh Pear Harbor.
You don't get to vote with your biased opinions.
Only people whose native language isn't English can really compare them because as far as we are concerned, both are dubs of languages we don't understand and in that case the original is always preferable.
>>343274749
You really don't find it retarded that English students coming out of high school still don't know every word of their language?
What about 'asian' versions with jap dub and eng subs? Many games seem to do that, maybe we can import that.
Also, didn't they say something about jap dub as DLC? I'd pay for it.
>>343273495
But we can still read the subs, retard
>>343275171
Still, how does having "really nice people" do the dub, suddenly makes it a good one?
I fucking hate when they always shift the focus from actual performance to muh people.
You can be the nicest person on earth but still do a shit job.
>>343275232
>Also, didn't they say something about jap dub as DLC?
John Hardin said he'd try to get the idea through but the likelihood of them listening at all to that is close to zero.
>>343271313
If they'd only not fuck up every single Persona with their shitty VAs. Thank you guys, who were doing gods work and made undubs for p2, p3, p4, pq etc.
Right now P4G is on sale for 6€ and I'm not willing to buy this crippled game. No Dual Audio? No buy, ever.
>>343275198
We wouldn't give as much of a shit if we didn't have to wait 5 fucking months after it released just for a shitty dub. What's wrong with giving people a choice you condescending faggot?
>>343275309
>I fucking hate when they always shift the focus from actual performance to muh people.
Well, is the dub for Persona 5 bad?
>>343275360
Nothing wrong with a choice, the problem is there isn't one and people are defending this.
>>343271313
i'm not accepting this shit
fucking zero time dilemma managed to get A-list jap VAs and still have them in the localized version done by a 10 year old canadian studio
Atlus usa has no excuse
>99% of Japanese games released in the west are dubbed
>BUT I REFUSE TO BUY PERSONA DUBBED
Am I too tinfoil or do I smell a proctetionism by the part of american VAs?
>>343275414
Well judging by how he didn't even try saying that the dub was high quality and chose to focus on the people instead, I'd say it is shit.
>>343275436
The problem is that if you actually gave a shit, you'd just learn Japanese.
As more and more companies start to have dual audio or opting for sub only methods this kind of dub only practice will start to look more retarded.
It worked before because no one else was doing it so they could make up any excuse they wanted.
>>343275509
>I'd say it is shit
Its not even out yet don't be a bitch,you can't criticise something that doesn't exist
>>343275468
The excuse is that they don't want to. They just don't.
>>343275232
Its going to come out with Chinese and Korean language support with Japanese audio. Atlus did this with Odin's Sphere Leifthrasir.
Its pretty shady. Companies like Fromsoft usually have "Chinese/ Korean/ English" version for the Asia region but not Atlus. Atlus fragments the Asia region just because they can.
Can someone explain to me why do Japanese games dub sound so bad?
I know there are some exceptions, like the last MGS, but they mostly sound like anus.
>>343274854
Not at all. It's like watching a foreign movie with subtitles, getting a whiff of the place and culture in which it was made instead of people that don't really belong there talking over the original performers. I don't care if the dub is well done, it's almost always going to be inferior and alienating to what is inherently decided for the setting.
>>343275639
Because hiring hobos is cheap, and when you have the international rights, you can do whatever the fuck you want, 99% of your audience doesn't have a choice anyway.
>>343275639
I mean Japanese to english
>>343275526
THIS ARGUMENT DOESN'T WORK. WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP USING THIS SHIT like they're being clever.
It's been blown out in this thread already and every time it gets brought up. Why do people still use it?
>>343275624
Surely they won't be releasing localised versions for the whole of Asia, right? There must be some versions with eng subs.
>>343275639
Probably because their dialogue doesn't match well with english sensibilities. I'm sure there's a better way to explain that but it's something like that.
>>343274494
Honestly, what does a 'stupid language' even mean?
>>343271313
Because the majority of people playing shit like Persona prefer dubs over subs. Hell, if you go to threads about games with dual audio across the internet (ie. Danganronpa) you'll see that a good chunk of people played with the dub.
>>343275639
Because if you had any talent at all, you would be providing voices for games made in your country rather than some dumb weeb shit.
>>343275509
That's part of the problem. People don't know much about the dub but are requesting the Japanese audio already. I'd imagine it grates on the people in charge of translating and dubbing shit considering how time consuming that process is.
>>343275706
You can't just pretend it's been refuted and act like that refutes it.
If you gave a shit, you'd learn Japanese. You don't give enough of a shit to actually want to play the "original" game, so why are you so adamant about picking and choosing?
Every game has a slider for voice volume. Mute the fucking audio, and you're going to get the same experience you would listening to gibberish.
>>343275758
Atlus is the only company who region locked a ps3 game. They try very hard to keep regions seperate since they do well in all of them. US isn't going to have dual audio to stop reverse importing, and foreign releases aren't going to have English to reduce importing.
>>343275526
>you are not allowed to experience anything foreign in it's original language
>if you cared you'd have learned the language
>no songs or movies for you anymore unless they are translated and dubbed
>>343275857
>People don't know much about the dub but are requesting the Japanese audio already
Just seeing the list of Japanese voice actors P5 has is enough for me to want the sub version.
>>343275825
This. Just look at Troy Baker and Laura Bailey. Started with a ton of weeb shit but now they do Western games since they were one of the few good VAs in weeb shit. It's more prestigious, pays better, and gets your name out there more.
Voice acting for dubbed anime and dubbed Japanese games is literally the bottom of the barrel.
>>343275808
>>Because the majority of people playing shit like Persona prefer dubs over subs.
Nice joke. Places like this are a tiny minority.
Atlus will lose maybe 5% sales, max, to people downloading an undub. The simple fact is, it's not worth paying for the rights to make such a tiny market share happier.
>force dub
>the game is heavily delayed because of it
Don't the Asian versions usually have a Eng translation too? What's to stop people from importing?
>>343275639
The same reason live action anime or video game adaptation movies do not work.
You subconsciously associate anime style with Jap language and hearing some of their prominent cliches in English just comes off as cringey or forced as fuck.
>>343275967
It doesn't with Atlus games.
>>343275957
I don't think you read what I said right.
>>343275859
>Mute the fucking audio, and you're going to get the same experience you would listening to gibberish.
Do you legitimately have autism? You think different languages make all voices lose their emotion, inflection, and tone?
>>343275893
I see.
So, PS3/PS4 emulation when?
>>343272598
If they actually handled contracts properly when signing the actors, it wouldn't be an issue at all. Fucking eroge studios manage this, how can't Atlus do it?
>>343275967
The game was heavily dubbed because of the PS4 version.
>>343275639
You're comparing bottom of the barrel nobody involved in the production gives a single fuck VAs to the way more competitive and larger Jap VA industry.
>>343276076
neber eber
>>343275859
If that logic was sound you could apply it to everything but you can't or else we'd all be content creators for everything we want. But humans only get to spend a little bit of time on earth so we offer to pay for services we can't perform ourselves due to time constraints.
>>343275639
By cultural difference, it just doesn't work right
MGS is more "westernized"
>>343276097
*delayed
>>343274491
the shitstorm is because they are going to be "considering the option to sell you that cut content later"
ontop of their apalling censorship bullshit theyve been doing
im sure youre sitting here spamming autism because you are trying to defend that cancer that is their localization
lol, good job on that
>>343276057
You'll still be relying on the fucking dubtitles, dude. You might think the audio is somehow enhancing your experience because now it feels super Japanese or some shit, but you're getting all of the information from the text while the voices are just background noise.
>>343275859
You're retarded. Now I see why you're still clinging to that dumb as fuck argument.
>>343275526
I already know 3 fucking languages and understand more 2, give me a break, I ain't a dictionary
>>343273759
If a portal exists through the noose, why do I need to hang myself by the neck when I could just push my whole body through it?
>>343275893
They region locked Arena because they didn't want Japs importing it from america cheap.
>>343275526
I don't have time for that but I still care.
>>343274491
Do you watch dubbed movies too?
>>343276092
Haven't you heard, they're going to nickle and dime us with it as DLC if the game sells well.
Probably going to make playing trough it again with it a trophy as well.
>>343276137
No, it's like crying that the company who makes the frozen pizzas you like puts tomato chunks on the top.
Either stop buying the product, or pick them out. You can't expect a fucking business to cater solely to you by launching a new product where the chunks are in a separate bag so you can pick and choose if you want them.
>instead of just licensing the voice actors they already had they went and recorded english lines
And no, it's not "cheaper" to hire a whole fucking cast again and do all the lines
Remember how almost all voice actors are in that voice actor union shit? I say they cost more than Japanese voice actors
>>343276103
Are you trying to tell me Kiefer Sutherland or Mark Hamill are less popular than any fucking nip va?
>>343276179
>because now it feels super Japanese or some shit
Or maybe because it adds those things I mentioned that aren't fully expressed through mere words?
Saying "I hate you" in a calm and quiet tone compared to "I hate you" in a raspy emotional tone are two very different things, but seeing as you have autism I can understand why you are having a hard time comprehending this.
Reading the text tells me what they are saying, hearing them speak tells me specifically how they are saying it.
>>343276251
And they would region lock P5 for the same reason if it shipped with dual audio. The reason they are considering jap audio as dlc at all is charging reverse importers for a comparable price to just buying the Japanese version.
>forced dub
>they expect me to buy it
HAHAHAHA
>>343276179
An annoying cringey background noise
Last game I tried playing with English dub was FFXIII and it got much better once I gave up on it and switched to Jap, even though I could tell that the subtitles didn't match the voiceover.
Just hearing Vanille or Hope talk in English gave me a headache.
Looks like a modded PS3 Is the only way to enjoy the game. Thanks for not wanting my money Atlus.
>>343276179
Just shut up, you sound like a deaf person telling someone who can hear why being able to hear doesn't matter at all and they experience everything the same thanks to subtitles.
>>343276324
i sure as fuck can when there are other companies providing that exact service I'm asking for but they just unfortunately didn't have the persona flavored one.
go fuck yourself with more food analogies please
>>343276139
It's more like the Japanese are more invested in the market. VA is huge there.
>>343276226
Why did you waste your time on 4 worthless languages then?
>>343276275
You have enough time to argue on an imageboard, you have enough time to learn a language.
>>343276362
I'm sorry the concept of the script isn't good enough for you and you need it clearly spelt out. If you'd actually played the games, you'd notice that the characters usually have retarded little emojis and stamp their feet when they're mad, so you don't even need the audio to find out if they're shouting.
>>343276354
MGS was noted as being an exception, and where did Mark Hamill come from? Does he do dubs for Jap games?
Besides, both of those are celebrities outside of being a voice actor.
>>343273052
Those clicking niggers in Africa would like to have a word with you.
>>343276407
>b-but muh emotion
>i can hear the EMOTION of glorious nip voice acting!!
>>343276460
I had to, I didn't had an option
Either this or be mute for a large portion of my life
>>343276472
Hamill was in Yakuza 1. Besides most nip va's do shit outside of voice work as well.
>>343276472
I know Hamil did Majima in Yakuza.
Its really hard to tell if he was any good in it, the timing on the english voices was all kinds of fucked up.
>>343276460
>I'm sorry the concept of the script isn't good enough for you and you need it clearly spelt out.
You legitimately have autism, I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
If you think having audio enhancing dialogue (the whole point of having a dub!) is a bad thing, you are beyond hope.
>>343276460
>You have enough time to argue on an imageboard, you have enough time to learn a language.
They don't require the same amount of time or effort. You're exaggerations are making your bait look weak.
>>343276392
Hence the mute argument. Good job keeping up.
>>343276457
Just because other companies offer the little baggies, doesn't mean every company will. It's up to them, and if you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't throw your toys out of the pram and demand a company cater to your tiny market share, that's as pathetic as SJWs.
>>343276354
No? I'm saying that the Jap VA industry has more importance placed on it than ours does so when you compare dubs where nobody gave a shit to the original audio the difference is painfully noticeable. There's obviously going to be a few exceptions but even then those people aren't going to be putting in as much effort as they normally would for some dub.
>>343271313
>PS3 died a few months ago
Why
>>343276529
Yes you have autism I get it.
>>343276353
I think it's more a factor of them thinking that a subbed game will sell less than a dubbed game.
Those of us who want dual audio are already guaranteed buyers, but they think newcomers aren't going to want to play a game in nipnog, so they prioritize a dub but don't include a sub to cut costs in case it doesn't sell as expected. Which makes sense for a small release, but this is Sega/Atlus we're talking about and one of their biggest franchises, so Jewery really is the only excuse, especially since much smaller releases have had dual audio such as the original Disgaea (an Atlus release in the west).
>>343273124
That game is developed by SEGA and published by them as well. Remember that the VA licensing issues are mostly on the original companies and how their contracts work out. ATLUS USA has published games like KOF XIII with full JP audio before. It really does mostly come down to ATLUS in Japan being very stingy with contracts.
>>343276585
>audio enhancing dialogue
In a language you can't understand.
If the dub work is too terrible to bear, mute it. You're not actually getting anything from the audio aside from "wow, it's like I'm really Japanese!", it's just sad.
>>343276608
I guarantee you spend more time shitposting than you would studying Japanese. Unless you're some phone poster scum who only posts in the 5 minute downtime between his lectures.
>>343276529
Well will you understand that VA is a serious carrier in Japan? They can advertise stuff based on who VA them the same way you'd advertise a movie for it's AAA actors.
It's not like the couple of hobos that do the English VA, so yes you can hear the actual emotions because they give slightly more of a fuck than some random normies who probably hate voicing this shit because they still think anime is for autists and kids only.
>>343276627
I'm not buying it. I'm still going to tell them why. Customer feedback is important and a lot of company changes hinge on that kind of info.
>>343273734
>time it takes to complaining about no JP audio
2 minutes
>time it takes to learn Japanese to the point where you can actually understand the game on the same level as you can understand English
1000 hours
See the difference?
>>343276354
As voice actors? Yes. When people think of those two, they don't think of their voice-acting, but live-action they performed in.
In Japan many voice actors are popular specifically for their voice roles.
>>343276759
Okay, sounds good in theory.
Where is the proofs?
>>343273915
That might be fine if I want to listen to Ashley burch
>>343276627
I mean the English VA is an annoying background noice. So yes you are right in that one.
>>343272231
English VA are prima donnas. Some include clauses in their contracts to avoid jap va in their works.
>>343276773
Go ahead, I'm sure they'll really take your feedback on board.
Maybe in future, you could direct your complaints directly to them instead of crying on an imageboard they don't even visit.
>>343276765
>In a language you can't understand.
you don't need to speak japanese to hear certain emotions in voice
>You're not actually getting anything from the audio aside from "wow, it's like I'm really Japanese!"
You're like a broken record, just repeating the same thing over and over again, ignoring any reputations of your bullshit.
Enjoy your autism.
>>343276529
I don't get why people get so worked up about this. Is your first language English? If it wasn't it should be damn obvious just how bad translations usually are. Hell, when I've got a choice I usually read stuff in English rather than my native tongue since there's a larger target audience and the translators for English are always better. But dubs really cheap out, there's only a handful of VAs total doing them, a lot of them aren't great and neither is the casting. The original has better voice acting damn near every time.
>>343276842
I'm just explaining it here as well. Wait.
Was that the original problem you had? This is a discussion board man.
>>343273262
shill damage control
>>343271313
Can't they just include the eng sub along with the chinese one? I'm sure it won't take long since they have everything ready they would just need a guy who know english
>>343276723
I think Atlus just has some bizarre obsession with trying to make people love their dubs. If it was pure money grubbing they wouldn't bother to put effort into pumping out above average dubs.
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RiwTl46ds
why's it so hard for them to release jap voices?
I don't get what the big deal is
>>343277020
At this point it's about spite.
>>343276941
translation isn't nearly such a smooth process, but considering they should have the dub done 4 or 5 months later, they'd probably already have a decent translation done by the time the game comes out in china
>>343276963
That might be a reason to. Someone high up in the decision making process that's also emotionally invested in the dubbing, that doesn't want to hurt the english voice actors feelings by offering alternatives to their work. I wouldn't rule out nepotism as a factor in that.
>>343276798
Sutherland, fine. Hamill though? His voice work is crazy popular. Also everyone tends to overblow how important voice work is in japan. They are by no means mainstream celebrities and usually just have cult followings like Nana. Also voice actors in japan come and go ,at least in terms of the work they get, as compared to here where they stagnate.
>>343277020
ever torrented some old obscure film and the only download is one with 65 dozen languages, and takes up 93 terabytes despite the video being in 144p?
That's why. They don't want to increase the filesize for such a small part of the customers(most of who'll buy it anyway).
>>343271313
>tfw you aren't a weeb and are fine with dubs
Please tell me how jap voice actors are soooooo much better even though you cant understand what they are saying. It amuses the fuck out of me that you weebs are this butt blasted.
>>343275808
People here always overblow /v/'s impact
>>343277175
>filesize issues in 2016
haha yeah thats why I'm sure
>>343271313
you have to pay the voice actors, or their firm, or whoever holds the rights to their work SERIOUSLY JUST FUCK OFF, for every release of the game.
They don't want to pay the voice actors again.
The obvious answer to this would be to offer it as paid dlc, but everyone would lose their shit if a company demanded that you pay for a feature that would cost extra money.
>mfw I read faster than the audio has time to finish anyway
I swear over half the dialogue in P4 and P3 isn't voiced anyway. We'll all be fine regardless of audio, unless you're that slow of a reader.
>>343277065
>>343276941
The Chinese and English translation is being handled by different teams. With how slow Atlus USA has been with releasing gameplay trailers or any other material, it's safe to assume that they got materials significantly later than Chinese translators.
>>343277217
>implying japs can into compression
>>343277176
japanese audio may or may not be bad
but listening to it in english removes all doubt
>>343277176
So you wouldn't prefer to have the game release at the same time as japan and play with original voices? You want it delayed half a year just for your precious english va's?
>>343277176
I think they usually sound better. And having consistent voices for characters across all games and iterations is pretty nice.
>>343276324
Just stop embarrassing yourself, fatty.
>>343277260
Then why is NA the only region not paying for jap audio?
>>343277124
My best guess is nepotism. Especially since it's always the same group of peoplewho have zero fucking rangewho always get invited back for the dubs.
>>343276460
One of the symptoms of autism is the inability to read emotions out of the voice. Here we have such an individual.
>>343277260
>you have to pay the voice actors, or their firm, or whoever holds the rights to their work
I guess that's why the chinks get japanese audio but for some reason not the US
>>343277260
Voices as DLC has happened before.
And as has been noted, other companies do manage to bring over Japanese voices, even when the English market from them is significantly more niche. This is just Atlus Japan making consistently bad contracts.
>>343271313
>i stand by our english dubs and think they're great
That's great faggot how about you sell me the product I want to buy instead.
>>343271313
>Game series is only played by ugly virgin weeaboos in the west
>Said weeaboos are autistic enough to think the over dramatic Japanese voice actors are some how good
Honestly, the company SHOULD have pandered to these lost causes, they don't seem to know their audience
>>343277175
you're so full of shit it's not even fucking funny
ps3 and ps4 both use fuckhuge bluray discs
>>343277390
Funny thing is that it could also work in the other direction, not wanting the game to have a dub at all or even a sub because the autism tells the person that everything must be in its original language, no matter what.
>>343277431
Has atlus ever done voices as dlc before? They're huge jews so I wouldn't put it past 'em.I'd buy it anyway though.
Who /bumblethroughJPversion/ here?
I'd gladly pay for a second audio track DLC, if I had a job that is.
I don't want dual audio in my media.
I just need the original audio.
>>343277000
from this video I ended up on the jap dub of the joker interrogation scene and I gotta say. It's on point.
![[HorribleSubs] Flying Witch - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.13_[2016.06.26_17.00.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XyhmXvZ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Flying Witch - 12 [720p].mkv snapshot 05.13 [2016.06.26 17.00.18]")
>we evaluate for every game, but it's never as simple as ticking a box
If you go into projects with the assumption of providing dual-audio then you can negotiate favourable contracts that let you use Japanese VA tracks internationally. Not doing so is indicative of laziness, complacency, contempt and/or tight-fistedness.
>and English dubs are worthy of your respect
Don't you dictate to me what's "respectable", shitcunt.
>>343277176
Do you watch french/german films in english too?
>>343277431
and I don't think I've ever seen people complain about voices as DLC. People would just be happy to get it.
>>343271313
Sorry weebs. No one cares about you. Not even the companies porting the shitty fanbait games to you.
>>343277460
Not him, but you're an actual retard.
>>343277460
>because the autism tells the person that everything must be in its original language, no matter what.
That doesn't make sense given the symptom listed.
Go see a doctor, you fucking autist, so you can learn how to deal with your condition.
>>343277443
>overdramatic japan vs soulless robotic american
I prefer the first
>>343271313
>it's never as simple as just ticking a box or flipping a switch
And yet people who make undubs do just that. Fucking jews just don't want to spend the extra shekels for licensing fees.
>>343277160
There are actors with similar consistent popularity. And with absolutely everything being dubbed in Japan, be it movies or TV Shows, it's not far-fetched to say that some VAs would have bigger local fanbase than Hamil does.
It's true that only handful of voice actors reach actual celebrity status, but there's really nothing alike for US. There are celebrities who get voice roles, but hardly any become celebrities because of their voice roles.
>>343271313
>dual audio isn't as easy as flipping a switch
yes it is actually, just play the other file
>>343277358
I don't know, but it is the CORRECT question you should be asking Atlas.
Retards will actually defend this
>>343277573
Kind of funny in a way. A weeb company doesn't give a damn about weebs.
>>343277265
>unless you're that slow of a reader.
You are on /v/ anon.
>>343277550
>watching german films
*tips stahlhelm"
>>343277652
Well first the jap vas have to allow you to use that file.
it's still a mystery though why the chinese get an earlier release with the original audio.
>>343277358
Actually, I do have an idea as to why:
The region that isn't getting it probably is the biggest market for the game. I'm guessing they didn't want to share a cut of that specific pie.
>>343277000
can we start spamming atlus with shitty dubs like this to show that asking for the option for jap audio is somewhat justified?
>>343277740
dubbing is a art
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jURcSzpVGeQ
>>3432774430
Imagine winning a trip to a small Japanese village resort, but the whole thing was a ruse by a Japanese prank tv show, and when you arrive, everyone there only speaks in perfect English but goes about their day as if they're Japanese, telling you that you're being silly for calling what they're speaking anything other than their mother language. It would alienate the fuck out of you, even drive you a bit mad.
>>343277550
Other European languages have many similarities with english so it isnt grating on the ears to listen to unlike jap speak
>>343277284
>it sounds good because I cant understand it at least you admit it
>>343277312
No I would like them to start recording the dub at the same time as the Japanese version like any semi competent company would do
>>343277610
Their live action shit is just laughable since they still retain the practices of over dramatic voicing and gestures from the theatre days which isn't an issue in Touketsu shows rather then the much sillier serious examples. They know how to tone it down in animation.
>>343271313
>English dubs are worthy of your respect
No dual audio is shitty but not having a world wide release AND the god damn chinks get the game the same day the Japanese do. Yeah nah, fuck your shit Atlus, I'm pirating the game.
>>343277731
The voice actors don't actually give a shit who hears their voice. It's the agencies.
Few years back MangaGamer was translating Kara no Shoujo, and manager at Innocent Grey told them that they had done really bad contract with the voice agency, so English version had to be released without voices. This was 50+ hours visual novel with fully voiced cast, so MangaGamer figured that had to be the case.
Apparently a while later somebody in the company noticed that the manager had gotten contract wrong, and that agency was totally fine with the voices being used in western release.
Imagine if the situation is same at Atlus.
>>343277849
No not really.
>>343277685
But If I go and ask Atlas he will make me carry the burden of the sky on my shoulders and he will go out and fuck his daughters.
What the fuck is the appeal of dual audio? It just sounds annoying, I don't see how anyone can stand it.
>>343277731
>Bring the Jap VAs back on board, selling their voicework as DLC - funded via DLC dividends/royalties
There. I fixed Atlus' mistake.
>>343277991
What's fucking worse is that people are defending it
>>343278062
Yeah, the cheap english VA they use sound like a joke 4kid anime, I don't get why they even bother.
>>343278107
You're assuming that it was a mistake.
>>343278045
Eat your hamburger bro.
>>343278062
if it means having the game the same day as Japan, then so be it. But fuck your shitty English VA that take months to produce and also that give bragging rights to a bunch of nobodies that latter will demand than no Jap VA to be included into the release of the game.
>>343278062
Some people prefer English voices.
Some people prefer Japanese voices.
With dual-audio both are pleased. Is the appeal really so hard to understand?
>>343271313
>/v/ unironically gets as mad about no jap dub as those shitters on the forum
>getting mad about a language you don't even understand, just so you can fall under the fallacy of beliving the jap dub is better, because you understand shit
Wow, just wow. Perfect example of the reason why the vidya community is laughed at
>>343277991
This right here, fucking not having a world wide release is retarded for one of their biggest series.
>>343278062
I agree. Dual audio is annoying, it should only have Japanese audio instead.
>>343278132
At least one autist and couple of marketeers.
>>343278225
You assume Atlus cares about what goes on outside of Japan.
>>343278198
Western market cares about the English dub though.
Seriously, fuck Atlus. Fuck them charging 10 extra dollars on all those 3DS games that still ended up with dub only, I'm glad I've pirated all that shit.
>>343278214
>assuming we don't understand
>still doesn't believe the japanese VA industry is taken so much more seriously than in america the difference in quality is an absolute fact
Speak about fallacies, retard.
>>343278173
That looks like gimbap, which isn't even japanese
>>343278168
An action taken deliberately in err doesn't change the fact it was a mistake.
>>343278062
You prefer english audio
He prefer the original japanese audio and doesn't have a problem with you liking english audio
>>343273118
kys
>>343273687
Everyone?
Persona is very very mainstream now, more than FF even
>>343278107
There is no mistake, it is something Atlus and Atlus US have made a conscious decision about.
Either they don't want to give a percentage of the sales of what is going to be arguably the biggest selling version of the game (talking about WW numbers vs Japan only here, Japan is going to be most likely the country where Persona 5 will sell more) to Jap VAs.
Or there are using some english VA that are known to demand that no dual audio to be present in the game because their fucking ego can't stand the constant comparison.
>>343278257
This is what I would normally think but rumors are that Persona 4 and all of its spin offs have actually sold more copies in the west than in Japan. Sadly, the only information we have to go by is vgchartz so lol
>>343278312
Oh and the worst part is that they themselves and others defend their practices. They could probably get away with selling P5 for 100 burgerbucks at launch.
>>343278297
Plenty of other Japanese games have both Japanese and English voices, is Atlus' market the only one that cares only about English dub?
And for countries where English isn't the first language, should they get the JP audio?
>>343276831
>contracts
Fatlus uses nonunion talent.
Find one game of theirs which lists the VA in the credits. You won't.
what about petitions? even dark souls managed a shitty pc port cause of it
>>343278214
Yeah, and I bet nobody would complain if the Criterion Collection only started releasing dubbed version of foreign movies, citing that "royalties are just too damn expensive, here are the four people you're going to be hearing on our every foreign release from now, be it French, German, Japanese or whatever.".
>>343278297
No we don't. We usually just take the stand that english VA is a compromise made in order to get the game translated into english. Compromise that over the years we realize we don't have to make anymore thanks to bunch of publishers releasing text only english releases and leaving the jap audio intact.
>>343278482
also all those sjw bullshit getting stuff changed in games they don't even play
>>343277020
License fees.
It's not that much actually. I mean even niche devs can afford to pay that. But ATLUS are kikes and know people will buy the game even if they get street dubbers from Brooklyn to do the job.
Persona is entry level as fuck.
>>343278214
>implying we don't understand Japanese
>implying we aren't consumers
Fuck you and your retarded notions of "entitlement".
>>343278478
Is Yuri "No Range" Lowenthal not in the union?
>>343276282
>Do you watch dubbed movies too?
Every once in a while. Some of them are fucking amazing, desu. Like the russian dub of the 5th Element somehow manages to nail the characters better than the original actors.
>>343275198
My native language isn't English or Japanese (I can speak both fluently tho). After buying the JP version of P4G and trying to play it, I actively prefer the English dub - the original sounds as wooden as some of those Japanese daytime dramas that the housewives watch when they're bored.
t. russian
>>343278437
Even if that is true it's not what Atlus wants.
Most of the time companies have a target demographic that they want and when their product becomes popular with a demographic that they didn't aim for it is very rare that they shift the product to suit the demands of the new demographic. They usually just scrap the thing and deem it a failure.
>>343274080
Spanish from Spain's pretty tight, familia.
Mexican Spanish is a fucking abomination. Same goes for Quebec's French population.
>no ww release
>no jap audio
>promoting english dub
>same old excuses
Out of all the games I've pirated, P5 might be the first game I'll actually enjoy pirating. Atlus gives me zero reasons to give them my money. So, I'll just steal their game :^)
>>343276092
Voice contracts can be needlessly restrictive and/or complex. For instance, apparently the reason they can't do dual audio for Trails In The Sky is because it's actually specified in the contracts as forbidden. Why? Who knows, but you can bet your ass Falcom didn't give a flying fuck at the time.
However, I can almost assure you that for actually new games, if you don't get dual audio, it's almost always because of cost. Sega was not willing to pay extra for the international usage of the JP voice tracks, simple as that. They also would have had to pay someone to code in subtitles for cutscenes, and bugtest all that shit, and that's even more money.
How did Atlus manage to do just subs for #FE but can't for P5?
>>343271313
meanwhile atlast europe
>>343278062
OPTION
I hate when they remove my power of choice
>>343278501
>No we don't
>one person is all the english market
Are you retarded
>>343271313
It could be that simple if you put it in the contracts of the JP voice actors when you first make the game. This isn't 1990 anymore. Companies know games are going to be brought over to other countries from the moment they are announced if not earlier. Was there any doubt that Persona 5 was coming out globally? They could have avoided the headache by simply licensing the VO talent globally at the start.
But no, Atlus would rather pinch their pennies and just have the English dub in the USA.
>>343273747
>>343278386
While I wouldn't argue that Persona has seen a rise in popularity in the west I still think Persona 5 is basically the biggest Niche game ever. I still think it is a Niche game. Though Persona 3 and 4 exploded in popularity everywhere and the milking of Persona 4 only proves the strength of the brand I still think the series is behind FF by quite a margin.
>have to wait half a year between Japan and English release
>going to get the entire story spoiled for you as a result
>just for some dub you don't even want
Thanks Atlus.
Fuck Japanese audio, what about people from Europe? I don't want to hear some american speak "english" in my games. I want an actual English speaker from England to dub my games. Fucking Atlus, we need TRI-AUDIO. Japanese, American "English", and True England English. You goddamn yanks ruin everything.
>>343278478
Didn't Bailey and Baker work on Persona 4? Or they weren't in an union at that point?
>>343278501
Actually you would be surprised. There is stunning amount of people who will refuse to play a game with no English audio. On the other hand though there aren't that many people in the West who will refuse to play a game if it has no JP audio as evident by the popularity of the Persona franchise over here.
>>343278173
Have some jelly donuts anon.
>>343278401
>some english VA that are known to demand that no dual audio to be present in the game because their fucking ego can't stand the constant comparison.
Maybe more Japanese companies should hire Voice Actors from the UK. For example, Souls games don't get any controversy in terms of VA, and the same dub is used globally. They also keep coming back to voice Fromsoft's souls games. Karla in Dark Souls 3 at 2016 has the same VA as Yuria from Demons Souls back in 2009. I feel that these people genuinely enjoy voicing characters.
Though, maybe we're all wrong and its not the voice actors at all that are at fault here and its just Atlus management along with their translators. I actually miss NISA now to some extent.
>>343278173
C'mon Anon, have a jelly filled donut!
>>343278657
>for actually new games, if you don't get dual audio, it's almost always because of cost
I disagree, it is because of carelessness. In these days, absolutely everything is getting translated. If your game is high-profile at all, there's no reason not to assume it isn't going to happen. It is plausible with Trails in Sky, since the voices were recorded years ago when Falcom had no reason to believe English release would happen, but now making a contract that doesn't allow international usage of the voices is simply foolish.
>>343278682
On #FE they weren't projecting as much sales, so they went the even cheaper rout of not putting in the effort.
English VO isn't cheaper, it's just that it's cheaper to only include that instead of paying the Japanese licensing fees as well, thinking that we negative nancies are going to buy it anyway and that Chad Thundercock might not impulse buy a subbed release for himself or his offspring.
They're calling our bluff and being Jews.
>>343278891
>UK
>Europe
>>343275198
>Implying Americans dislike Japs
>Implying Japs dislike Americans
We're literally the only reason they haven't been assfucked by China for Nanking. We're basically the Japanese's military, and with all those American military bases, an invasion would be an act of war against America, who China doesn't want to fuck with, partly because we're big, opinionated and allied ourselves well, and because our import dollars are the only thing keeping their bubble from bursting.
>>343275226
I might not understand what every word in the English language means, but I can at least read the word and look it up in a dictionary.
If a Japanese kid sees a Kanji he doesn't know, he has to stop what he's doing, go look it up by the number of radicals, and only then can he press on with whatever he's reading. And even then, there could be a dozen meanings for the same kanji which may or may not be clear given the context of the symbol.
If the entire language was written with Hiragana, I would grant you that the language is MUCH easier to read and learn than English. It's the Kanji which acts as the huge barrier to entry.
>>343278778
Over 20 years the whole Persona series including all releases and spinoffs has sold less than FFXIII alone. They're not even playing in the same league.
>>343279028
Or he could, y'know. Read a dictionary.
>>343276247
it only works when you are unconscious like in langoliers
>>343278624
>>343278907
SAG-AFTRA only fines talent who get caught doing it. That's why a every production that uses VAs who are scabbing doesn't list them in the credits. In the past, these VAs even had alternate names they'd use for this.
But almost every shit-tier VA does nonunion work because it's an easy paycheck. So when Hardin lies on Twitter that Fatlus is putting effort into their dub, he's blatantly lying when they won't even pay union scale.
>>343271313
I just wanted to play the game when it came out, not 5 months later;_;
Why China though? Not NA, not Europe, but fucking China?!
>>343279067
that's scary. also hard to believe
>>343279067
That isn't entirely fair considering that Persona increase in popularity was mostly done after the release of Persona 3/4. Though I agree people comparing Persona to the Final Fantasy series are deluded THOUGH the series is in the right time to make that jump from being a niche series to be mainstream.
>>343279109
>So when Hardin lies on Twitter that Fatlus is putting effort into their dub, he's blatantly lying
This.
As someone who actually likes the Persona dubs I have to call bullshit on Hardin. There are very few good talented VAs that are not union. I'm getting worried.
>>343279250
>the right time to make that jump from being a niche series to be mainstream
And the time it will be irredeemably ruined
>>343279028
>go look it up by the number of radicals
When you're proficient enough to use dictionary, looking up radicals comes as easily as seeing first letter of a word.
>there could be a dozen meanings for the same kanji which may or may not be clear given the context of the symbol
99% of the time context is clear, unless it was intentionally obscured for the sake of some dumbass kanji pun. And even if there are multiple meanings, most of the time radicals suggest very consistent images.
>>343279296
We already have audio for morgana , we still don't know how is making who in the game but I can see lady Cuck in the game.
For all we know Jim sterling could be working in the game as well. Fuck Atlus US.
>>343271313
>We care
>Have some respect
>>343278147
>>343278174
>>343278198
>>343278232
>>343278348
Wait, am I wrong? I thought dual audio means they play both audio tracks at the same time.
I pirated an anime once and it did that, that's why I think it's annoying. Is that not what Dual Audio is?
>>343274749
>I literally know nothing about jap at all: the post
>>343275068
on DVD5 discs as they use, vanilla P3 would've had space for dual audio, and maybe P4, but P3FES wouldn't
and they could've just paid for DVD9 so they're still cheap jews
>>343278891
>English buttblasted
lmao
You're lucky that there's no real VAs from a certain part of the southern US. That accent is actually closer to British aristocracy than anything left in Britain.
>>343276831
Source?
>>343279472
>tumblr
>this post
>>343271313
WAKE ME UP
>>343279472
That doesn't even make sense
Maybe you are mistaking with voice-over, which can be barely consider dubbing
>>343279472
Dual audio in this context is when a game ships with both Japanese and English audio, giving you the option to choose which one you want to listen to.
>>343279472
No.
It's being given the choice to listen to one of two languages. It basically mutes one track and plays the other.
>>343279250
>>343279365
I'm honestly amazed that Sony isn't pushing Persona 5 for PS4, and/or Atlus isn't getting Sony to help them with it. The console needs some good looking niche games, and bigger publicity would only help their profits. Bamco knew this when they got Nintendo to help with Symphonia, and Microsoft to help with Vesperia.
yeah but who even cares?
persona sucks
>>343279205
Not at all. Pic related are some FF sales on their original platform; no rereleases, ports, etc. FFXIII sold 7 million on PS360 over the first few years. Meanwhile, at Persona:
>http://gematsu.com/2015/05/persona-series-sales-top-six-million
So yes, FFXIII>>>all Persona series, saleswise.
>he thinks persona is better in japanese after hearing japanese yosuke
>he only plays games in a language he's too lazy to learn
>>343279472
Are you Russian or something? Only releases I know that play both tracks at the same time are Russian voice overs.
>>343279614
Probably Sega's decision, wanting to remain an independent player instead of falling under someone's heal. Ironic since that literally happened after their bankruptcy and they became Sega-Sammy holdings.
>>343279472
This was a thing with bootleg VHS like 20 years ago where you'd have one guy speaking over all of the actors in the same monotone voice, regardless of gender or situation, making it difficult to make out who was saying what.
Of course it's not like that anymore, especially for official releases.
Bamco now puts dual audio in Tales game. Fucking Bamco is putting dual audio in Tales games. Step up Atlus.
>>343279472
>they play both audio tracks at the same time.
This is literally what happened in one shitty Lion King 2 dub that my dad brought home from his business trip years ago.
But no, dual audio means having option to choose which audio track is played. It doesn't even have to be dual, there can be as many audio tracks as devs care to record. You know, like with DVD or Blu-Ray releases of movies.
>>343279668
English VA are not better, most are garbage as well.
>>343279554
>>343279573
>>343279580
>>343279590
>>343279710
>>343279759
>>343279768
Well then that pirated version of REDLINE ripped me off, it said dual audio and it played both the Japanese voices and the English ones at the same time. Those bastards.
There's one of two reasons Atlus USA is still using English audio only:
>Atlus Co Ltd is mortified of reverse-importation and won't allow it
>Atlus USA gets more budget overall to produce a dub than it would to have JP-audio only, and can't/won't compromise
>japanese teddie
>japanese rise
>japanese yosuke
>japanese yukiko
I'll stick to the dub
>>343279371
Regardless, for example if I didn't know what the word "onomatopoeia" meant, I could still read the word and possibly just derive what it meant from context.
If I saw 亀 and didn't know it meant "kame" or "turtle" that's it. You don't know how to read it. No amount of context will tell you how to read or say that word. You might be able to figure out what it means but you wouldn't be able to articulate it to someone other than "hey what does this symbol mean?"
What's up with all the poser weebs? Learn japanese if you care about it so much.
>>343279803
It was probably an option in your video player, dingus.
You can't just run shit like that in Windows Media Player and expect it to work correctly.
>>343279768
Or like a good portion of western games
>mfw some games even have polish and portuguese dubs
>>343279028
>>If a Japanese kid sees a Kanji he doesn't know, he has to stop what he's doing, go look it up by the number of radicals, and only then can he press on with whatever he's reading.
Online dictionary tools take a split second. You might have had a point 30 years ago.
>And even then, there could be a dozen meanings for the same kanji which may or may not be clear given the context of the symbol.
Here's where you've made it crystal clear you both don't understand anything about kanji, or anything about learning a language in general. Let's take one of the few kanji with "dozens" of meanings, 生. It can mean live, as in a live broadcast or a living creature. Raw, as in unrefined, or innocent, naive. What you quickly realise is that all of these complex meanings for a single kanji have a simple basic root, a concept that may not be expressed in a single term in English, but can in other languages. Just like beat can mean to beat an egg, or your wife, or somebody in a race. Does that make "beat" impossible to learn?
>>343279801
they're objectively better
if you can stand japanese teddie for 60+ hours then you're fucking retarded and don't deserve an option
>>343279821
>Japanese Rise
>shitting on teh Rie
Fuck you as well.
Everybody shut up and post Makoto
>>343276373
>And they would region lock P5 for the same reason if it shipped with dual audio
P4U1 had both english and japanese text in every region, so they could've paid less for a game that's still entirely in japanese
P5 could have dual audio and still deter reverse imports because without japanese text, it would be significantly harder to play and you would miss lots of information from unvoiced dialog
>>343279801
And we've already established it's less about that and more about having the option to experience something closely in tune to the setting in which the game is made for.
Not having dual audio makes sense in a Metal Gear game, where the english dub is arguably the canon version of the game (however fantastic the Japanese dub is) because it features Americans in key roles.
Persona however is set in Japan, features a Japanese cast that spews honorifics like they have Tourette's.
>>343279804
The first one is not an issue here since it's releasing 5 months earlier in japan.
>>343279913
Fucking edgy dike.
>>343279668
This.
>Japanese Teddie
>Japanese Rise
Fucking disgusting ear rape. How can the Japs stand that shit?
>>343279910
No they are not. Are you even a native English speaker? The only people that will defend English VAs are foreigners that know English are their second language.
>>343279821
I can understand you disliking Teddie and Rise, but what's wrong with Yosuke/Yukiko? I thought they were fine.
>>343279862
I use VLC. I may be a moron, but at least give me SOME credit.
>>343279803
I think some players play both audio tracks and you need to either manually disable them or use another player.
>>343279991
>i have autism so you're ESL
lmao dude
Wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have to wait like 5 goddamn months just to get English only. All I care about is the game, you dumb niggers. It could be retro as fuck with no voice acting, and I would still be able to operate the fucking thing just fine, stop treating voice acting as if it is some be all end all component to a game.
I'll concede that AtlusUSA usually does a passable to solid job on their dubs, but if I have to wait this long, it's not worth it. As things stand now, if I have to wait almost half a year just for some white people to say senpai and kun, it better be some fucking academy awards level acting. So enjoy that impossible to meet expectation, you unbelievable retards.
>>343280003
Yeah, it was probably a setting somewhere.
>>343279953
>more about having the option to experience something closely in tune to the setting in which the game is made for.
That's literally wrong. You're supposed to use whatever the creator spend his effort the most on directing the voice work.
For Persona it's obviously japanese. For MGS and DMC it's english. End of the story.
>>343273687
Jesus christ neo-/v/ is fucking strong in this thread.
Do you know what the fuck a weeaboo is? Kill yourself.
who cares about jap?
ask them if it's coming to vita
>>343279953
I agree. All the "sempai and kun" shit in persona 4 got old fast, fuck fatlus.
>>343279913
EVERY single thread about Persona 5 until the release of the game (and even maybe after) will only include bitching about the Jap audio. Thanks Atlus for fucking it up for all of us that want to discuss the game!
>>343279854
Why do you like games if you never make a game before?
>>343280063
Oh well, I've just decided to buy the DVD. It's worth it, REDLINE is great.
>>343279853
>>Regardless, for example if I didn't know what the word "onomatopoeia" meant, I could still read the word
Are you fucking joking right now? Kids make pronunciation errors constantly because of how bizarre some spellings are.
If you saw the word "turtle", and had never seen or heard of a turtle before, in a sentence like "the turtle crossed the road", then you wouldn't be getting any more information over the Jap. Your Turt-Lee could be pronounced wrong, you still wouldn't know what the hell the creature looked like, and you'd still be just as stumped.
>>343279804
>>Atlus Co Ltd is mortified of reverse-importation and won't allow it
I don't understand this argument for more story heavy games. Persona is not fully-voiced series, and most Japanese don't understand enough English to navigate UI that's not in JP. Sure, they could understand voices, but think back to Persona 4. How much of game's first four hours would Japanese person understand if they played the undubbed English version?
They did have a point with Arena since JP and US releases were identical, but just don't fucking include the Japanese script or UI in the western release and there won't be problems.
>>343279801
let me tell you, i am traditional japanese and i hear people say "jap voices betters" but its only because they dont know the language, it makes it feel less cringey or awkward
jap voices just as much quality as english voices lol, both shit
>>343279957
Embargoes are nothing new. If home office has it in their policy to fuck the gaijin over, they're going to keep fucking us over regardless.
>>343279897
Look, chief, I am agreeing with the general sentiment that Japanese is much easier to learn than English with the exception of Kanji. Learning 2000+ pictograms is a high ask for anyone to want to learn a language just to play weeaboo games.
I studied Japanese in college but had to drop it after I got the mandatory course requirement credits because my second quarter teacher was a non native speaker that didn't actually teach us anything. I would have had to retake the class with another teacher the next year to pick up where I left off to go into year 1 quarter 3 and have any hope of passing.
>>343279913
Seems like an annoying, seito kaichou law abiding cunt desu.
>>343280086
I just want more pictures of her and everyone is ruining it for me
It's like how everyone talks about muh censorship with #FE but the main problem with #FE is it's weeb pandering trash, not the censorship
>>343280128
No jap goes to 4chan, stop lying
>>343280065
By your logic the language for MGS is Japanese since Kojima does the voice directing in the Japanese versions. He doesn't cast or direct the English versions and he even stops using characters after their jap actors die (pic related)
>>343280039
Then I don't understand how you could denfend English VAs at all, specially the ones working on Atlus releases which are usually the most untalented non-union cheap garbage that Atlus can find.
>>343280054
The wait is pretty much what seals this entire thing. There's just nothing about the NA version of P5 that justifies this long of a wait and makes people accept it. Dual-audio, while not directly related to it, would still be enough to satisfy people and ease their anxiety.
>>343280065
>You're supposed to use whatever the creator spend his effort the most on directing the voice work.
Which is by that logic always Japanese, the English dub is always putt in the hands of people who actually know English.
But MGS and DMC are cases where the creators have said they prefer the work they outsourced, simply because it fits the setting better.
>>343280216
letm e find you my jap card
>>343280162
>>I studied Japanese in college
Then you basically didn't study Japanese. College courses are a complete waste of time, even with a native teacher, because the progress is so slow that you haven't a hope of learning anything aside from basic grammar.
The issue was your teaching, not the kanji. You can learn 2000 kanji in 3 months, they're a tiny barrier to entry.
>>343280216
The president of one eroge company comes here to learn English.
>>343280128
>jap voices just as much quality as english voices lol, both shit
Nobody denies this.
But if the japs put in more effort/spend more money on their native language, I want the option to hear that audio too. For fuck's sake, Atlus are the only company that is still doing this. Even little pissant publishers can afford to license the moonspeak.
>>343271313
Serves you Persona fags right
>>343273587
>weebs are majority among vidya consumers
and they all play on PC
wew
>>343280246
>usually the most untalented non-union cheap garbage that Atlus can find.
Yeah it's not like at least one person from the Persona 4 cast are in 99% of games released or anything
>>343280112
SEVEN HANDRAW YEARS!
>>343280261
i don't think dmc even has japanese acting
>>343280117
Fine, comparing an animal to a language concept was probably a bad example. I still stand by my point.
A better example would be Spanish for me as a native English speaker. I could read whatever you threw at me in Spanish. I wouldn't understand a lick of what I was reading, but I could say everything. I may mispronounce a word or two here or there, but reading it is not an issue.
If you don't know what a kanji means, you have to look it up, full stop.
>>343280219
Not to mention Snake is literally based off Akio Otsuka, Snakes Japanese VA.
>>343280054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUMGTPH5o1c
ehhhhhhhhhhhh. It's better than I was expecting, honestly, but still nothing to write home about.
>>343280324
So underrated.
I'm looking forward to when they censor P5 to shit because they don't want to offend the west and there are already people there who want to police "wrongthink"
>>343280323
Isn't that worse though?
Vic McEggnoglia could probably get a bunch of union gigs, but walks into a nonunion audition and gets a main role on the strength of his union portfolio.
>make the most weeb shit game imaginable
>be confused when your weeb fanbase gets made about baka gaijin voice acting
atlus is like sega level stupid
>>343280275
I assume you mean Heisig, in which case you are right. But the three month time is assuming you dedicate most of your time to remembering the kanji, and even then it's just memorizing them, not actual readings, learning the grammar or vocabulary.
Actually getting to JLPT1 level should take two years or so.
>>343280360
He speaks nip in pachinko and shit like Project X-Zone
>>343280460
It literally is Sega now.
>>343280323
Most of the people on Persona 4 that are still non union got a bunch of work (and will get it) mostly for being non union and some companies not wanting to deal with the shitshow that the union is.
>>343280460
Well Sega did absorb them, perhaps there's a requisite amount of retardation to meet when you are under the Sega umbrella. Like those height requirements at amusement parks, only this makes sure you are egregiously incompetent at your job.
>>343280451
>Isn't that worse though?
No, the P4 English cast are at the absolute least the same level of talent as the Japanese cast except the English cast has more than 0 thought put into it so in English Yosuke doesn't sound like a 40 year old man, Naoto doesn't have old lady Naruto voice and Teddie isn't 100% ear rape
>>343280582
I meant like how a novice VA won't ever get a decent part in non-union VA gigs because union-scab scum flood the auditions.
>>343280384
You're placing a lot of focus on "reading" here. I could stumble through Finnish, mispronouncing 95% of the words because I don't know anything about their pronunciation rules, but it doesn't mean anything.
At the end of the day, you still have to open the dictionary and look up every one of those words in Spanish.
With Google's handwriting detection, you can find any kanji in about the same time it'd take to copy a spanish word out of a book, even with no practice and a disregard for stroke order.
>>343280492
I'm not talking heisig, I'm talking readings as well. JLPT1 will obviously take years, but that's because it's not a fucking kanji test. It's a comprehension test, which means you need to learn vocab. Japanese is harder than spanish here just because the languages are so far removed from each other that you don't have a lot of overlap.
>>343280582
Oh look, the normalshit weeb is here. Don't you have an Attack on Titan episode to watch on Cartoon Network?
>>343280384
>I may mispronounce a word or two here or there
No, you would mispronounce everything. So much that a native Spanish speaker will not even understand you. The same way a beaner that just crossed the border talking in English sounds retarded.
>>343279821
why do you play japanese games if you don't like japanese?
>>343280582
>Naoto doesn't have old lady Naruto voice
Instead she sounds like girl, rather than supposedly effeminate male.
While many voice actors in Japanese media get over-presented or type-casted, it's because director wants that specific voice for the character, not because there'd be lack of willing talent to choose from, as is case with English voicing.
>>343280694
the "i only watch the original japanese" is actually normalfag weeb
anyone who actually cares would be willing to listen to both and judge them on their own merits and realize that there's quite a few examples were English is not only better but considered the canon version
>>343280698
Except not. Spanish is really easy to pronounce. French less so, and German would be even more difficult. I deal with non-native English speakers on a daily basis and I am able to deal with their horrible mangling of the English language to understand them.
But at this point we'll just have to agree to disagree.
>>343280694
>normalshit weeb
I hate that this is becoming a thing. God fucking damn it.
>>343280745
that's why japanese voice acting is so shit, they sell things based on who's in them
Even the biggest voice actors in the west like Troy Baker don't sell the game because they're in it.
>>343280823
Sorry but not everyone is an americuck like you, we don't care and don't want your shitty dubs on stuffs we enjoy
>>343280837
Not it isn't, you fucking idiot. Try to speak with a native Spanish speaker and they will laugh at your lack of proficiency to make the "R" sound that in most of the Spanish language is used in a way that doesn't exist in the English language at all.
>>343280582
>No, the P4 English cast are at the absolute least the same level of talent as the Japanese cast
Even if that was true, it still doesn't matter. We're not in 2008 anymore, and Atlus have proven they're too cheap to pay for good VAs. That's why half the characters got replaced in the P4 spinoffs.
P5 isn't going to have the budget to get voices as good as the Japanese ones.
Also English Naoto sucks and Japanese Yosuke is fine.
>>343280939
who got replaced? chie's? the one shitty literal who from the vanilla game?
>>343280209
>that bottom row
>it's okay when atlus does it
>b-b-based atlus, t-they know what t-they're doing
>>343280823
No anime in the world has English as it's main language.
Just because you grew up hearing English voices doesn't mean they are cannon.
I used to watch Digimon and yugioh in English and I thought they were absolutely fine when I was 11.
Tried to watch them again years later and it was pretty damn bad.
So take off those nostalgia goggles and watch them again.
>>343280582
>No, the P4 English cast are at the absolute least the same level of talent as the Japanese cast
ahahahaha, someone please post those scenes with Chie from the Golden trailers, that's the kind of shit this guy is defending and calling superior.
As for Naoto, she is voiced by Romi Park in the japanese version, and she actually sounds like a boy, except for in the romance scene where she sounds like a girl and it's adorable, in contrast, the english VA for Naoto, while not terrible, doesn't sound like a boy at all, it's impossible to think how anyone could be fooled by her, she sounds extremely feminine from the start.
>>343280212
>weeb pandering trash that cuts out the weeb pandering
then what's the point
>>343280209
The cast is so fucking good. It makes this hurt even more.
>>343281132
>No anime in the world has English as it's main language.
Black Lagoon, Cowboy Bebop, Space Dandy and Soul Eater are all canonically in English
>>343280939
>P5 isn't going to have the budget to get voices as good as the Japanese ones.
Oh they have the money. They just want to be cheap to maximize their profits even further. Because fuck actually delivering a good product when you can deliver shit and make more money, right?
The western release is the release that sells the most and is the one that is the most profitable. And they won't even match the voice budget for the best selling version. And then the fucking assholes >>343271313 claim that they deserve respect? No fuck you and your cheap ass ways.
>>343274664
Have you heard Japanese people talk in English? It's fucking horrible, they all sound like rapists. It would make the story more laughable than it already is.
>>343281156
>she actually sounds like a boy
where the fuck do you live?
We get to have these threads for 9 more fun filled months tell the NA version is out. Thanks Atlus!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sorry?
>>343281291
Still better than the dub. At least it would be intentionally funny.
>>343281343
>Still better than the dub
It's really sad that 4chan has become highschool anime club tier
>>343281262
>Cowboy Bebop
Chinese
>>343281073
Kanji and Rise got replacement VAs too. Keep trying to pretend the dub is just as good as the original voices though. I'm sure you can convince yourself that if you try hard enough, even in the face of the evidence that they don't really give a shit.
>>343281303
She does, she sounds like a young boy, she's much more convincing than the unnamed english VA
>>343271313
>234 days left
>china gets to play the game before us
I'm sick of it. This is just wrong. I just the little respect for this company.
Fuck you, Atlus.
>>343281474
>she sounds like a young boy,
WHERE IN THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE THAT A YOUNG HIGHSCHOOL BOY SOUNDS LIKE THAT?
>>343281073
Kanji, Chie, Rise and Naoto have all had their VAs replaced between the games and spin-offs.
Why the hell would some fat American kid want to listen to screechy Jap voices?
>>343281262
Spike is a jew.
>>343271313
Where were you when Atlus became literally worse than Adachi.
>>343278657
>it's actually specified in the contracts as forbidden. Why? Who knows,
Who are you kidding? The answer is as obvious as it is ridiculous: good old Jap xenophobia. "Market research says most anime consuming Westerners (note: not necessarily all atlus JRPG consuming Westerners) prefer english dubs? Those fagets can't apprecaite our god tier voice actor celebs??? We'll make the great voice work exclusive then. The gaijin! Deal with your bad English joke of a dub, since [outdated market research declares that] you all prefer it."
China gets a japanese release because they know chinks won't buy the game without it.
Western ATLUSfags are bitchbois who would even pay 100 bucks to get their shitty New York accent dub.
>>343281558
>spin-offs
who cares?
>>343276497
and that word is click
>>343281550
I live in Europe, there's plenty of boys that don't have extremely dark voices in highschool.I had a feminine voice in highschool.
>>343271313
http://store.steampowered.com/app/408640/
>Code of Princess is dub only when published by Atlus
>it has Japanese audios when Degica is the publisher
Sure is a coincidence right? RIGHT?
>>343281583
...I'm playing through this right now, did this just spoil that Adachi is the killer?
>>343281578
Why do us euros want to hear some cringy american voices? Why do we have to pay for your wheelchair clapping massshooting burguer autism?
>>343280928
Why are you on an american image board?
Foreigners fuck off.
>>343281619
I do
>>343281638
>Even Idea Factory the rehash jews of JRPGs are releasing their games dual audio
ATLUS is just shit.
>>343281592
>outdated market research
nigga I always play everything with jap dubs and even I know that most of the userbase prefers english dubs.
90% of the comments related to TMS#FE outside of 4chan are bitching about the lack of an english dub
>>343281689
>Why do us euros want to hear some cringy american voices?
Nobody does.
>>343280928
This desu senpai. Fuck English dubs and fuck Atlus for pandering to OBESE AMERICAN KEKOLDS.
>>343281693
You are owned by a Jap now
>People are refusing to buy a game because they can't hear the dialogue that they'll need subs to understand.
Like, I understand the whole dubs vs subs thing, but the fact that people will call the game shit for not having Japanese audio and ONLY because of this, that's stupid.
>>343281689
You don't need to worry about it because Europe is never going to get the game anyway
>>343281742
DELETE THIS
>>343281653
>did this just spoil that Adachi is the killer?
Who said nothing about a killer
I DONT CARE ABOUT DUAL AUDIO
I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GAME IN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME
I DONT WANT TO DIE BEFORE HAND
ATLUS USA JUST KEEPS ON PILING SHIT AFTER SHIT
FUCK
>Neo-/v/'s "if you like any thing that is japanese you are a weeaboo" mentality
I think I'm finally too old for this shit.
>>343281742
What is importing?
>>343281883
if you think something is inherently superior because it's japanese you are the literal and original definition of weeaboo
>>343280582
>reminder that this is what these people are defending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtD6xGD9RII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZvsuY2DdA
>reminder to ignore these people since they are either clinically retarded or just shitposting
>>343281156
You're welcome
>>343281883
I blame summer
>>343281906
Have fun waiting till February 14 like the rest of the non-asian pigs
>>343279668
Dubbed animes make me fucking puke, the contrast between the characters' artstyle and the voices is too jarring.
>>343281734
I've been asking Atlus to include JP audio in Persona for over ten years now. When they're not listening, why should I support their product when I can get version I want for free?
>game gets released way after the original release
>dub only
>its not even a good dub
>still charge full new release prices
>official spokemen are all extreme cocky and in love with themselves
ATLUS could call their audience fat manchildren with shittaste and they would still sell a million copies of P5 in the US
>>343281906
Something europeans have to do because they don't make anything worth a damn.
What the fuck. This thread is actually defending this autist? You fuckers don't even speak japanese lmfao.
>>343281946
Exactly. But most of the time when people say shit about "weebshit" they don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>I always play games in their original superior Japanese language
Holy fucking shit Ken-Sama please stop.
>>343280671
>I'm talking readings as well
>2000 kanji in 3 months
Yeah, no
isn't chinese ver. usually come with sub eng too?
asia release like DoA Xtreme. no?
>>343281987
>he thinks a voice is connected to a particular artstyle
this is some advanced autism
>amerifats need dubs because they are incapable of actually reading and listening at the same time
>rest of the world need to suffer because of this
T-thanks Obama
Sick of this shit.
Time to learn how to get a CFW PS3
>>343281990
Why not just buy the Japanese version?
>>343281953
>playing the golden version
>>343281946
not him but I just prefer watching something being dubbed or acted in the language it was written because it feels more natural. Translated anime dialogue in particulat always feels awkward to me
>>343281619
I care because it's proof that the dub has less effort put into it than the Japanese voices. Japan wouldn't let that shit fly, they keep the same VAs for everything unless they die or something. Shit, there was speculation Igor wouldn't even be in P5 since his VA died. English voices don't get that much effort put into them. They switch VAs all the time, because hey, who cares? Not our audience, that's for sure.
>>343282059
Nope only chinese subs
Honk Kong ver. usually have english, which is what bamco/koei usually does, for places like singapore.
>>343282043
Yeah, what a bunch of nerds. They also probably watch foreign movies in language they were filmed in.
>>343281953
I have never played a Persona game but holy shit that's bad even as dubs go. That Chie girl sounds terrible to be around, what a shitty performance, and the one voicing Yukiko just sounds bored as fuck, and this is what these dubsfag are calling "an amazing dub" and defending. You don't even have to be a weeb at that point to see just how shit that garbage is.
>>343282059
weebs want something to be convenient and readily available to them in a very specific way so they can buy it locally, have it translated in clear english but have the voices be in japanese
Also if you actually know japanese translated subtitles are really annoying
>>343281946
>if you say Japanese is better than anything, you're a weeb
It has been explained multiple times why people prefer the Jap voices multiple time in these threads but people still ignore it because it's much easier to shitpost "lel weeb" than listen
>>343271313
didn't they say they were going to do a DLC for Jap dub?
I will simply buy Japs version otherwise. UI is already in english
>>343282071
9/11 best day of my life
Would laugh again
>>343282136
The original is even worse, the golden voice is considered an improvement.
>>343282140
actually japan uses the same VAs because they just hire the same company to handle everything and they only have a small number of typecasted actors with no range
>>343281946
Yes, but /v/ borders on calling people weebs for liking Super Mario Bros only because it comes from Japan.
>>343281550
I forgot American boys can grow a full beard in elementary school due to artificial hormone overload.
>>343282071
>and listening
If you actually understood Japanese you'd find the translated subtitles extremely distracting.
It's worse than those machine generated closed captions for youtube
>>343281953
topkek, I will take your advice and just ignore those people now, I'm now convinced they are all a bunch of shitposters.
>>343282120
Because I can't read Japanese. I haven't been asking Japanese company to include English text in their release, but asking localization company to include Japanese audio in their release.
And I haven't pirated these games before because I still want to support the localization, even if I had to import the games accross the pond to Europe.
>Why haven't you just learned Japanese in these ten years?
Because I don't have fucking energy for it.
>>343281946
No retard, it's because I prefer the original language it was written on.
Do you complain about people wanting to watch american movies in English instead of some lazy dub their country made?
Do you translate all your songs to English before listening to them?
Only fucking amerifats feel such a strong need to Americanize everything they touch to make it more patriot friendly. Just look at all the shitty movie remakes Hollywood makes out of foreign movies for example.
>>343282204
>mfw already played SMT IV Final
It's gonna be fun seeing people trying to avoid spoilers for 5 months and failing.
>learning a language just so you can boast on an anonymous forum about being able to watch cartoons and play children's games
>>343282204
No, seriously, why not just buy the Japanese version? Wouldn't that be just supporting actual Atlus and not Ameri-Atlus?
>>343282403
dubs are better sometimes like Ricky Oh and Persona
nice fotm shit anime btw vitoriq a cunt
>>343271313
>nobody wants dubs
>muh we have dubs it cost so much so i cant add dual audio
this is literally trash tier comment.
subtitles exist in english version.
japan dub version exist.
just add english text files to it.
fucking keks
i worked in translation of some games . It is really not hard job for most of games.
(subtitles/UI stuff)
>>343282431
Pretty easy since I haven't gotten spoiled on both SMT4 and SMT4 A
>>343282449
Being a weeb but also demanding convenience
Because you refuse to do 20 minutes of flash cards a day for 6 months
/v/ would have lynched Working Designs back in the day.
>>343282534
/v/ has never done anything except cry and circlejerk in it's echochamber
>>343282253
When it's in same franchise or series, usually Japanese companies give voice actors dual roles, at least for major characters.
Sure, there are cases like Goku's VA also voicing most of his immediate family, but those are rare cases. They do take actors from same agencies, but those have large talent pools.
On the other hand, in America you have same voice actors voicing multiple characters in same series, and actors are regularly changed for adaptions(or sequels) because companies that license anime can't be bothered to hire same people, as opposed to Japan where when somebody has been casted, actor doesn't change unless something really drastic happens.
>>343282492
not defending atlus idiots - but main price is licensing voices of VA to sell them worldwide
atlusUSA fucked up in a head and can't possibly ask Atlus itself to include that into contract when game is being made.
So you need to pay WAY more to do that if it wasn't in contracts in the first place.
>>343282593
because American and Canadian voice actors can do more than 1 voice and have range unlike japshits
>>343282693
don't tell lies on the internet
>>343282601
Fuck off John Hardin
>m-muh costs
This isn't some low budget piece of shit. It's the biggest game Atlus has ever released. There will only be excuses, non of which will ever be justified.
>>343282693
Japs can do that to, but since they are usually cast for a specific role (the tsundere etc) they have to do the same voice becasue that's what the people buying the game expect
>>343282825
again, I don't defend those faggots and I don't buy most dub only games including persona, just saying there is more to cost than just technical work.
however those faggots never come clear about how much it costs, so their "expensive" arguments is probably bullshit.
>>343280003
If there aren't any audio choice in the player option, try to find it on your audio codec option. Do both of this while you're watching.
>Americans
>learns Japanese to play video games and watch cartoons for girls
>thinks Europe is one big country
Stick to English, kid.
>>343283292
Settle down, okay?
I like Atlus dubs, but actually getting to play #FE with nip voice isqt.
>>343279472
What the actual fuck did I just read?
>>343279768
>>343279803
I remember when some localized shows here didn't mute the original track correctly so I was faintly hearing the original Japanese throughout the whole time.
They also made mistakes like muting both tracks so you hear nothing.
>>343283882
Holy shit, when I first saw his post I thought
>can it be that he's so retarded so play both voice tracks at once?
But then I discarded the thought immediately thinking nobody could be this moronic.
>>343273154
Kek
>>343284195
It was common in Europe for TV and VHS to have a native VO OVER THE ACTUAL sounds and dialogues. It sounds retarded, but was cheaper to produce than a full-on dubbing. He's not dumb, probably got a hold of a VHS rip or something.
Are you guys really freaking out over not being able to hear a language you don't speak while playing?
If that's what stops you from playing Persona 5, then you obviously weren't that big of a fan in the first place.
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