Zero Time Dilemma Thread
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>>343256595
Transporter math is easy guys
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>>343269081
>Sigma and Akane magically broke into the shelter again to steal the transporter and send it to the moon so Clover and Alice could return back to 2029
Epic headcanons, bros.
How else are you going to defend Hackoshi?
>>343269197
CARLOS
>people are actually defending this shitfest of an ending
Does anybody else appreciate the meta-texual reading of the endingwhere Zero/Delta/Brother is a surrogate for Uchikoshi, and his plan is representative of the game Zero Time Dilemma. Firstly, there is the way in which their games are created. Each gives the illusion of choice and appears to revolve around decisions and dilemma’s, but in reality they are both a fixed path. Zero and Uchikoshi both have one end goal in mind which the audience, and the characters, must reach if they want to end the game, no matter how they may feel about it.
But the analogy goes deeper than that. Delta’s mind-hacking ability is representative of the ability Uchikoshi has over the player. He cannot play the game for us directly, but it is through his creation and influence that we are forced to choose every choice and explore every avenue. Likewise, he understands the potential backlash against the game and codes responses to the arguments into the game. When Zero is discussing his complex motivations he is addressing the audience’s complaints about unresolved plot threads or nit-picks and inconsistencies they believe they have found. He rejects the idea that the game should centre around the characters (or players). He created the decision game, and only he determines what it’s purpose is, and what it entails.
Reposting from the deleted thread:
For those who don't like the ending, what would you have changed? I'm not trying to defend it at all, I'm just wondering what specifically you would've had happen instead (beyond "hurr durr make it better").
>>343269235
Now in HD
>>343268901
>reasonable explanation
Just because you're making your own headcanon doesn't mean that it's what actually happened, and it's a fucking huge stretch at that.
>Just bring the huge alien tech to the moon, guys!
>>343269271The cleverest aspect however is in the final, unchoosable decision. The game ends with Carlos pointing a gun at Zero and debating whether to fire before the credits role. While some may interpret the abrupt end and lack of actual decision as evidence Zero was killed, in reality it goes far deeper. It loops back to the idea that the game is Uchikoshi’s creation, and that his vision is the one that we are left with, despite any other possible versions we may have wished to see. The decision is an illusion, just like the choices in the game itself. The characters are angry with Zero just as the players may be with Uchikoshi, but they are helpless to stop him. His game is complete and they have been complicit participants in playing it. The final decision is not a real one. You, the player, cannot choose to reject Brother’s vision, just as you cannot choose to ignore Uchikoshi’s one. You have already lived it and experienced it. The only way to reject it would be to not play at all, but that is no longer an option. You’ve already experienced it. And no matter what the player, like Carlos and the rest of the team, is only left with one choice: To accept it.
This isn’t the decision game
.
This is Uchikoshi’s genius, and you can’t deny it, no matter how much you may want to.
>>343269334
>accept the shit ending
Th-thanks Uchikoshi.
Ignoring VLR's useless epilogue makes ZTD literally perfect, so I'd rather do that that being retarded enough to call ZTD bad.
>>343268937
To be honest there was no way that "Shrodinger's cat" was any way of fixing their problem of being stranded in the future.
The transporter is a decent solution because it gives their copies (which effectively have the same memories as them) another chance at life.
They're not even important to the plot anyway, people should stop making a big deal out of this shit.
Yesterday there was an anon sperging about the lion motifs not being explained, at this point I wonder what was that people were really expecting from this game aside from solving the main plot (which it did).
>>343269317
>>343269202
>reasonable explanation that proves its not a plothole
>but its still a plot hole
>>343269274Kyle. Epilogue files into actual cutscenes. Sigma Diana and Phi epilogue
>>343269415
>>reasonable explanation
:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)
>>343269283
Post the "Hurry up" part.
>>343269317
The "huge" alien tech was already moved from Germany to America.
Moving to the moon in the future is not a huge stretch at all, not that it solves the issue with Clover/Alice, but I don't see why couldn't they have the transporter on the moon base.
>>343269274
Another final puzzle room. I was bummed getting that trophy when I still had a lot of fragments to complete and was hoping for a Q type room. The ending wasn't bad it was just there; the credits rolled and I expected another fragment to appear but that was it.
>>343268998
Of course it follows the same rules.The problem I have is that the transporter is a physical object built out of non-man-made materials, that existed since 1888. Without proper explanation.
ESPers are explained through the morphogenetic field which is just some "force" that exists in this world. That's much easier to accept as it was established in the first game.
>>343269415
>reasonable explanation
>just move the alien tech Delta FUCKING REMOVED FROM THE PLACE IT WAS AT to the MOON
Seriously, just fucking stop.
out of nowhere
>hey here isdelta
fuck this game
>>343269501
Interestingly enough it would solve Kyle's lack of body in the past.
>>343269519
Yeah, what a fucking anticlimatic ending.
My last escape room was the nuclear reactor room and then it was just... over.
Seriously, this game really fucking disappointed me. It was going so great and intriguing, but it just really dropped the fucking ball so hard on the ending.
Like Layton vs. Wright did.
>>343269494
>>343269529
>game withmultiple moon bases , going up to at least 9, all connected with tunnels
>and yet they can't move the transporter
Complex :^)
>>343269274
One word: Closure
So, why did Akanelie to Sigma at the end of VLR about not knowing anything about the test site? I sort of understood her wiping Junpei's memory, but fucking over Sigma seems unnecessary. I was waiting for him and Phi to call her ou on it all game.
>>343269334
Nice try. Unless ZTD is Uchi's last game, there're plenty more opportunities to "reject" his "vision".
>>343269553
also MINDHACK
>>343269642How can they move something they don't fucking know where it is? Delta had the entire fucking base cleared.
>>343269412
>at this point I wonder what was that people were really expecting from this game aside from solving the main plot (which it did).
Well, Uchi may have said something like "I intend to answer every mystery left during VLR and the mysteries in ZE3 would be solved as well. This game will not end in a cliffhanger."
>>343269553
So I have to believe that apparently an old bastard was with Q team all this time and we didn't notice? And suddenly Q was Sean and he was actually Q?
>>343269529His motives are complex:^)
>>343269703
>Kek. that's actually pretty funny
But as long as it's the last in the series, it stands true
>>343269762
That's in thetrue end
We are talking about how they got thetransporterIn theVLR timeline.
Also, don't forget that Akane also attendedthe free the soul meeting in april
>>343269689
BecauseBOOTSTRAP PARADOX. It's what she saw she did, so she did.
>>343269520
So if the transporter was established in the first game and still didn't have any explanation like the morphogenetic field you would've also accepted it?
These games are full of pseudo science and weird shit, the transporter makes perfect sense in context and they never give any importance to it's alien origin (Aside from the tablets being harder than some needles) so that isn't a big deal that needs to be explained, I mean other mysterious origins have been mentioned through the games and I have accepted them readily.
>>343269415
It's not even a plothole.
Maybe they were saved in some other way and showing it was simply out of the scope of the game, irrelevant to the main plot.
I can understand why people are mad that they didn't show what happened to them (I wanted to know too), but calling it a plothole it's fucking stupid, we know they were saved at the end of VLR by what they told us.
>>343269450
This.Even a small mention of Kyle would have satisfied me, they could have even told me he was Gab or some shit. I kind of suspect he was. Add on those epilogues as an actual part of the ending and you have a satisfying conclusion to the series.
>>343269765
It didn't end on a clifhanger. Just because ended on an ambiguous note doesn't mean it's a cliffhanger. The story was resolved both thematically and plotwise.
Does it really matter ifCarlos shoots Delta or not?
>>343269731
Mind hack was established in VLR, fuck off.
>>343269765
It did solve every mystery aside from Kyle, I don't consider what happened to Clover and Alice a mystery, Akane was just being cryptic, but knowing they were saved was good enough for me.
It did end in a cliffhanger though, I mean even in the epilogue they haven't caught the terrorist, but I'm sure they will.
>>343269994
OK I'll shorten it a bit for you: "I intend to answer every mystery left during VLR and the mysteries in ZE3 would be solved as well."
I know it doesn't end on a cliffhanger.
>Complaining about an open-ended finale
Nintendrones are the most dense shitters on the planet.
>Talk about god watching over the universe, and if he's leaving
>"snail" metaphor/parasites and phantom limb syndrome all actively discussedinstead it was MINDHACK
>NoBlick Winkel or You
Even if it did happen we'd probably all just be saying Uchi can only rehash one concept
>>343269905
I'm sure he was Gab, I mean, how would've Gab known to stay exactly 2 hours inside that fucking shaft.
I'm fine with the epilogues being files due to the lack of budget, but the lack of an epilogue for D team is disappointing.
VRending is best ending right?
>>343270083
It solves every mystery aside from Zero Kyle Dilemma.
Is Kyle a big deal enough for you to call the ending complete shit or the game bad?
I would have preferred if D-end 1 was the true end.
Holy shit what an awful ending.
>>343270072
>It did solve every mysteryThings like where the transporter came from? What happened to Carlos 2 every ending where he doesn't rescue Junpei and Akane?
>>343270187
Best ending is True ending as it contains every other ending.
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>>343270261
>Is Kyle a big deal enough for you to call the ending complete shit or the game bad?
Never did that. Game's great for the first 2/3rds and then falls apart for me. Ending left me disappointed.
>>343270316
I don't think we needed an explanation about where the transporter came from. It's a plot device like the ESP or the morphogenetic field, it simply exists.
I never thought about Carlos 2, you got me there.
>>343270261
>It solves every mystery
>brother is 124 because...
>brother is 169 in VLR because...
>brother wants to save mankind instead of destroying it because...
>brother wanted to stop Akane's plan because...
>Sigma's 67 year old consciousness just... stays to live there in 2029 forever, I guess?
>Diana... lives, I guess?
>Phi... lives, I guess?
>>343270314
did you rik.... oh wait wrong game
>>343270426
I didn't intend to say you specifically said that.
It's just that tons of people are saying those things even though Kyle was the only mystery from VLR not solved in the game (unless they consider the Alice/Clover thing a mystery, even though they were never hinted to be in ZTD like Kyle was).
Too bad you didn't like the end, but well, can't always like everything I guess.
Where can I find the names of the songs in the OST? The rar I got them from only had them numbered from 1-56. Looking specifically for the guitar song and the "Make your decision" song.
>>343269848
Have you read a book, and then decided you didn't like the ending, and wrote to the author asking for a rewrite, and the author actually did it?
So basically, you're telling me Uchi's genius is to create a game about a writer having control over his final product?
Wow.
I am awed by his genius.
>>343270575
wtf i hate uchi now
>>343270575
Sigma was just a victim of circumstance, the world is saved so he did his job.
>>343270841
And he should have returned to VLR timeline in 2074 after his mission was done, back to Luna, Akane and Kyle, and let his younger self return to his life in 2029.
>>343270540
>don't think we needed an explanation about where the transporter came from
Well, I do. It's just there to fix every possible plot hole from this and the previous game. They even could have had a simply info dump about how some scientist received the blueprints through the morphogenetic field somehow. That would work much better in this series' context than fuckingaliens.
>>343270575
-Sigma's 67 year old consciousness obviously stays there because it isn't the VLR timeline, so there is no Sigma training and then jumping back into him.
-D team's lack of epilogue is disappointing but not a mystery.
-Brother wanted to stop Akane because Radical-6 was his way of saving the world in VLR's timeline, not even headcanon, he explicitly says Radical-6 was released to kill the terrorist.
-Brother's objectives were always saving mankind, even in VLR he was just supposed to make a new vision of humanity.
-Is his age really a fucking mystery? He's just an old fuck, his presence in the future can be explained with the transporter too.
>>343270893
Life is simply unfair
>>343270961
After all the time travel shenanigans you've seen do you really think it wasaliens?Come on.
so what happens to Tenmyouji/Quark at the end of ZTD, since they prevented the virus release
>>343270972
How does Brother know for certain that Terrorist-chan is going to cause 8 million deaths?
>>343270961
I have said this already, but aliens are just a generic explanation for mysterious phenomena, I'm sure they were mentioned in the previous games as possible explanations for some of the paranormal trivia like ALL-ICE. I mean, I don't feel we need any explanation about it's origins, aliens work just fine.
And of course it's there to solve plotholes, it's quite literally a deus ex machina, I like how it does it following the universe's rules though.
>>343271128
>time travel shenanigans
Can't explain the transporter being in Antarctica in 1888 with those.
>>343271186
He can see all possible timelines thanks to being able to read minds through the morphogenetic field.
He literally says this in the game, jeez anon.
>>343271165
Nothing, it's a different timeline. The whole purpose of ZTD is to make a timeline where the virus doesn't escape the facility.
>>343271360
Yep but somehow Akane, PhD of timeline jumping doesn't know this :^)
>>343271248
>I'm sure they were mentioned in the previous games as possible explanations for some of the paranormal trivia like ALL-ICE
Ok, but those things never had any real impact on the overall plot.
>it's quite literally a deus ex machina
Yeah, that's why I would call it an asspull
>I like how it does it following the universe's rules though.
I do too, actually.
>>343271360
>He can see all possible timelines thanks to being able to read minds
What. How does he see other timelines by reading minds (excluding SHIFTers)?
>>343271434
And? Brother is shown to be a lot more knowledgeable than Akane.
>MIND HACK
>>343271669
By reading shifters minds.
He basically has access to free information through the morphogenetic field, he just can't shift himself.
>>343271674
Now you're telling me that two people with access to the same information don't know the same things.
Can someone help me? I'm putting in the keywords for the team-D force quit box. I know what the words should be, but I don't know the exact vocabulary the game is looking for.
>>343271750
When he reads mind do they have to present to pull information from the field?
Stuck on thechess and card puzzlein Rec Room.
Point me to the right direction.
>>343271871brooch music box
>>343271871
Brooch and Music box
>>343271968
>>343271971
Thanks, hadn't thought of the second one at all
>>343271952
Use the hammer on the letter C. Also, you need the calendar to do the card puzzle. Each card is a number, each number is a letter. The chess bit is easy if you know how each piece moves on the board.
I think I'm stuck
I'm missing the C team execution and the D team execution, I've done just about everything else I can. I've pushed all the shower buttons, gotten tonnes of dead ends, the only leads I have are the Door of Truth, the Force Quit Boxes, and who to shoot as Q i nthe study, I already picked Eric and Diana, and I can't pick myself.
Try to not spoil me. do I just have to keep repicking a team to kill until it does it properly, like the dice rolling?
>>343271952
Cards represent months which represent letters. the numbers on the board tell you what piece you need to imput on the rod you took out to open the board.
>>343271879
It's unexplained for a reason. If Uchikoshi clearly defined the ability and made it so that Brother does NOT have the ability to read anyone, anywhere, at anytime, you can bet that there would be plotholes the size of Phi's chest.
I wonder if Delta can use his powers to force someone to SHIFT. Just because we've only seen it used to make Eric shoot someone doesn't mean it doesn't have more uses.
>>343272098
Redo the 13:30 vote to get the other executions
>>343272098
You're missing the execution scenes? That's easy to get. Simply go back in the appropriate decision fork and make two teams choose the team that you're missing. So if you're missing C, go to D and Q's decisions and vote for C.
>>343271750
But there were no SHIFTers he could read that could help him set up the Decision Game.
>>343272098
you need to make it so the choice you make on the executions will actually led to a team death. So for the D team execution replay the choices to that both C and Q team have selected D team, and do the same for C team
>>343271509
>Yeah, that's why I would call it an asspull
It's only as much as an asspull as anything supernatural is. Which is really not much at all.
I honestly don't feel it's an asspull, it makes perfect sense and solves most of the paradoxes in a decent way. Heck, brother was hinted to be able to shift his entire body in VLR, this is a much better solution to that than just Brother breaking the rules of how the morphogenetic field works.
Now, aliens were probably not the best origin story simply because of how many people are put off by them, but I think the origin of the transporter is irrelevant to the plot, so anything would've worked just as well.
>>343272098
I just had that issues in the last thread
Get the other executions. You have to go back to the choices as the other teams. The game will "remember" the last choices you made.
Don't input anything as Q. Let the timer run out
I don't understand this puzzle. I assume I should be using the missing pills and the related color as the clue, but there's overlaps with everything I can think of
>>343272363
the pills are numbers anon
So, Mira killed Eric's mom and the man who got the blame was Akane's father? How does that make any sense? Akane and her family is from Japan. Eric and Mira presumptively from the US.
>>343272363
Wait a minute, those pillslook like NUMBERS
>>343272363The pills form a colored number, the color is the same as the figures in the monitor
>>343272363
The pills that remain make a physical, visual representation of a number. For instance, red looks like a '5'
>>343271776
They don't have access to the same information. Akane was never stated to be able to pull information from everyone in the morphogenetic field, unlike Brother.
>>343272421
If akane is japanese how does she know english
>>343272363
I'd hate to say that I spent more time on this than the transporter puzzle. The pills make the numbers 1-5 and you use the colors to place them
>>343272413
>>343272432
>>343272440
>>343272443
i don't look at digital clocks enough, thanks
>>343272363
I hate this fucking puzzle so fucking much. Look at the fucking colors of the specimens. The bird is obviously white, the insect is obviously blue, the human is more red than the other two. This made me think that there was some other color shit involved when actually it was just LOL PILL LOOK LIKE NUMBAH
Would yousleep with her/v/?
MINDHACK
what aHACKuchi
>>343272421
I explained it in the last thread, but Zero mentions it was a "Japanese Citizen" so he was probably in the US for vacation/business.
Akane says she never saw her parents again because they were said to have died in an accident, so my guess (a theory, please don't take as headcanon) is simply that they never went back to Japan (father on death row, mother killed herself) and her family simply hid that fact from her.
>>343272572I dont have the balls.
>>343272573
That was hinted at in VLR, where it's said he can control people.
Try harder.
>>343272740
> + Decisions have consequences
But that's how it fucking works
>>343272468
They have the same information. Akane remembers all information from all timelines that the Akanes in those timelines experience. She doesn't need to read everyone, just herself.
>>343272805
Oh yeah, note: Picture was taken minutes after release, meaning that those are stats from PC reviewer.
Mind hacking is not the problem since it was mentioned in VLR.
The problem was that we're supposed to believe that some fucking old man was with Q team the entire time??
>>343272740
>conclusion the zero escape trilogy deserves
>mindhack and alien technology
>>343272740
/v/'s opinion is never representative of anything
Fuck, as soon as someone showed unsatisfaction with the ending (which is understandable), everything snowballed to the point that now the whole game is simply being called shit or bad by multiple shitposters.
>>343272740
It's darker so it's better! Just like chocolate!And cocks :^)
Is it required to have played the previous games, in order to understand the story/plot?
>>343272325
>>>343272325
>It's only as much as an asspull as anything supernatural is. Which is really not much at all.
>
>I honestly don't feel it's an asspull, it makes perfect sense and solves most of the paradoxes in a decent way. Heck, brother was hinted to be able to shift his entire body in VLR, this is a much better solution to that than just Brother breaking the rules of how the morphogenetic field works.
I agree. The transporter works really well in this world.
What I mean with asspull though is it's existence in 1904 just so we can havethe Brother is Delta and Sigma's son from the 2029twist. It even reads like some kind of fanfic.
Looks like we have to agree to disagree.
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>>343269081
so how is the PC version?
So, are they going to remake 999 or not?
So what's going to happen when they catch that religious fanatic? Force him to play a game with akane as zero again?
>>343272825
Brother has more information than her though, as you said, she only has access to her own timelines, Brother has access to everyone else's.
Maybe she's dead in the timeline the terrorist destroyed the world. Maybe she knew and worked with Delta in VLR for that purpose.
Or maybe she simply didn't know and Brother did because of how much more information he has, which is the simplest and most likely explanation.
God damn I am so stupid. I shouldn't be allowed to play games like this. I'm the one who asked about the team-D FQB a bit ago. I have no idea where to go next. I know the twins' birthday but I don't know where to input it.
>>343273049
Thx. Seems like a solid buy then
Somebody explain the appeal of this game to me. It has the exact same premise as all the other games like it, has the same type of characters, there's even the same number of people trapped. All of those games are exactly the same, what's the appeal?
>>343273296
You did all executions?
>>343273334
I would highly recommend playing the previous games. They're both really good.
>>343273387
Yes, I have all of those
>>343273347
>has the same type of characters
Because its a sequel you retard.
>>343273347
It is a waifu game. We all bought it because Akane is cute!
CUTE!
I can buy either this or the Danganronpa bundle.
Which do I go for?
>>343270761
It was mainly for shits and giggles bro. But the fact that it's a game with choices and expectations on it already based on 'promises' from the author does make it slightly different.
>>343273347
Thats like saying every LOTR book was the same or ever Back to the future movie was the same.
I am >>343273296
Nevermind, I'm retarded. I figured it out. Forgot about the Door of Truth until I scoured by flowchart
>>343272869
Fucking with the player's perspective is a usual Uchi twist, so much that I expect it every game, so no surprises about that.
>>343273426
Door of truth bruh
>>343273439
Not as cute as 999 Akane.
Shouldn't a blind old man still make breathing old person noises? I doubt he was THAT silent
>>343273439
>We all bought it because
Speak for yourself turbo weeb, I don't fantasize about 2D characters, only good mysteries and puzzles.
>>343273278
Instead of killing him they will force him to play another game with 8 other people where he reveals he's only causing the end of humanity because of X causeing the 5th game to happen
>>343273347
>there's even the same number of people trapped
Oh boy you haven't got Q-End 2
>>343273908
He's in pretty good shape for his age.
So I'm between this and Danganronpa 2. I played 999 and VLR but after reading how the fans consider this to be the worst of the trilogy, I think I'll get Dangan 2 instead. Thoughts?
>>343274124
ztd is better than anything danganronpa
>>343274124
Both of them are the same, the ride is fun and the ending is alright
>yfw you realize Carlos most likely dies of Radical-6 in the VLR ending
>>343274124
This game is still good, /v/ is just exaggerating.
DR2 is decent but worse than ZTD, just wait until DR3 comes out and play this instead.
I can't find anything about physical releases in Aus, is this announced anywhere?
Completely unrelated question, would a game from EU work in an Aus 3DS?
So how many times did Uchi visit this page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes
100+ is my guess
>>343274250IT'S ALL A GAAAME!
>>343274404MINDHACK!
>>343274336
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes
Now that I think about it: Where was Hilbert's hotel?
>>343274310
I doubt it because nintendo is fucking stupid with region locking their systems and games.
You could do it if you have access to homebrew on your 3ds and play any cartridge region free though.I sure hope you chose not to update your 3ds when there were threads about it for months
>>343269334
I could just write fanfiction, that would be rejecting his vision.
Checkmate, Uchidefender
Another piece of foreshadowing:Before doing the first vote, Carlos is banging the X-door and shouting "Mira, Eric, Diana, Sigma, Phi, is anyone of you there?". He didn't shout Q's name because he was supposed to be deaf.
>>343274124
I prefer Danganronpa 2 a lot more than this, but i think it's best if you got ZTD first.
>>343274607
Which is funny becausethe player just assumes it's because he wouldn't know who Q is
>>343274747
Funnily enough, you almost got triple 47s
Did Phi just dive kicked a 120 year old man, who also happens to be her blood brother? She knows he's her brother, right?
>>343274940
Yes. Who cares?
>>343274940
fuck that guy
>>343274940He let it happen. He could have just used the force to push her way.
I'm going to try rolling triple 1's. Wish me luck, guys.
>>343275047MIND HACK
I'm outta things to do.
I did all the executions, pushed all the buttons, I'm standing at the door of truth in one history, I know about Q, how he's a robot modeled after Sean, but at the 3 way stand off, inputting Sean doesn't work. I did wait for time to run out when I was asked who killed Mira. I'm just totally out of options.
>>343275049
Try it two more times after you fail.
>>343275152
Are there any ! marks in the flowchart.
>>343275152Did you see the stranded pair part and the ambidex game?
>>343275152
Did youlet the timer run out on "Who killed Mira?"
>>343275217
Nope.
>>343275251
Yes. I sentPhi into another time, unlocked their force quit box, and got to the point where a black headed sean robot is threatning to kill everyone
>>343275152Look at the flowchart were Sigma and Diana use the transporter there should be a ! sign. Click that
>>343275047
It's funny.
He stops her fromactivating the force quit boxbut doesn't see that coming
Also that bullshit he gets away with in the ending is infuriating. There's no way to prove him wrong or convict him of anything because "it never happened".
And then somehow, during the little time they had between the intro and the "end"he manages to pack away everything and ship it off to some unknown location, but keeps Sean alive to help send Mira back in time so she's not a serial killer
>>343275307
Yes, I did.
>>343275318
If you meanthe despair of two, leading to Phi's birth, I did that line already
>>343275312The family portrait is the key to the door of truth
>>343275152
Look for !s on the flowchart. The part that I ended up picking back up after I got stuck was the dice throw. Did you try that one three times?
>>343275370
Did you see the sceneAFTER you don't answer, to "Who killed Mira?"
>>343275047
How do we know he didn't mind hacked her into doing it?
>>343275401
Ah. I figured it was forsomething, just "the door of truth" sounds very end gamey. I was wondering if I fucked up
>>343275421
No others, I guess I just have togo through the door of truth
>>343275429
Yes.
Side note, should I know more than two anwsers tothe mexican standoff? I can only think of Mira and Eric? I tried Sean, no dice. If I'm supposed to find out later, just say that, don't spoil.
>>343275370do the jumps with c team in the power room. If you haven't done that yet kill Q team IF you've done all that check the who killed Mira fragment. If you've done all that then you should know the code to the door
>>343275364
He may have simply liedabout shipping everything somewhere else.
And he's right, nothing ever happened so he can't be convicted. I found that hilarious.
>>343275364
>that bullshit he gets away with
That's kind of the point. That's why he gave Carlos a gun.
>>343275545stand off choices are Mira Eric No one and spoiler
>That fucking breakdown Eric has in the decontamination room
Just keep smiling....gotta keep smiling....smile....smile...oh god it hurts....make it stop...need to smile. NEED.... So cold....I'm sorry.... Dad I didn't.... I never....
>>343275545
>Yes
So you saw what waswritten at the bottom of Yellow door? The one you saw after you answered "I don't know" to "Who killed Mira?"
>>343275545
Did you find the clue for the password to the door of truth? Then see the ending that gives you that password?
Also, one solution to the standoff is "nobody" which is a game over, and the other one is an Easter Egg you can come back to later near end game, but it's more of a joke if anything.
>>343275536
we don't
Friendly reminder I'll start the stream next week on Friday.
You fags trying to rationalize this thing into a good game is reaching Kojima levels of autistic denial
>>343275709
If the chat is going to have as much bitching, arguing and shitposting as these threads, I'll have to avoid it, sadly.
The chill chat was one of the best parts of your stream.
>>343275795
>not beingMIND HACKEDinto believing it's good
senpai please
>Mexican standoff
>Enter "Me"
>Can't commit suicide
>Enter "Q"
>Enter Q's real name
>>343275795
>Look mom, I posted it again!
MGSV shitposter please go.
>>343275795
>i genuinely liked it
>check/v/ and see people telling me why i should hate it
>i still like it
you can't convince me
>>343275795
I think it's the worst in the series but it was better than the others in some ways and if they fixed a few problems it would have been the best one.
Ok a few questions. These may have obvious answers that I missed because I kinda rushed through the game at points.I'm a little confused with the Sean/Q tweest. Did Sean count towards the kill count? So in the Q-team execution timeline shouldn't there be four passwords revealed? Sean/Mira/Delta(Q)/Eric.Why didn't Diana and Sigma just SHIFT away from the babby ending timeline?How come Junpei knew that he could SHIFT after the AB game? Wouldn't he have said "hang on Akane I've never SHIFTed before?" instead he just goes along with the plan without question.Why did Delta kill Gab? ;_;
>>343275795
Would you really call it bad?
I wasn't happy with the last third either but I wouldn't call it a bad game.
fuck this shit
i wanted another nonary game
>>343275874
Yeah, I got real confused when that happened to me also.
You'll find out what you need to enter. Just leave the threads. Putting in passwords and stuff without understanding how to get them in the first place won't help you either.
>>343275914>I'm a little confused with the Sean/Q tweest. Did Sean count towards the kill count? So in the Q-team execution timeline shouldn't there be four passwords revealed? Sean/Mira/Delta(Q)/Eric.
No. Q/delta was just always killed with him. In the 3 way standoff he got hit by the grenade as well, you can see his shadow.
>Why didn't Diana and Sigma just SHIFT away from the babby ending timeline?
Only Team C shifts constantly and only after Carlos mentioned downloading informations from the meme-field.
Also: Sigma doesn't know that Diana can shift that point in time I think and even if: Some versions of themselves would still be stuck there.
>How come Junpei knew that he could SHIFT after the AB game? Wouldn't he have said "hang on Akane I've never SHIFTed before?" instead he just goes along with the plan without question.
Like I sad: They don't even think about before Carlos mentions some downloading. it is strange.
>Why did Delta kill Gab? ;_;
He is south korean and that is part of his culture. Don't judge.
This series shouldve ended with 999
>>343275930
Last third?
Wouldn't it be like the last 10% or something like that?
Wow, can't believe thatZerois the protagonist of the latest Watch Dogs™ Video Game
>>343275813
Probably it won't because no Anonymous
>>343275914Sean does NOT count towards the kill count
They didn't shift because there would still be A Sigma and A Diana left in that situation
Because there really was no other option
A quick, painless death is the best option for a dog that old.I know that first-hand.
>>343275914Sean doesn't count towards the kill counter.Seemed like that version of Diana hadn't shifted yet. Sigma probably didn't want to abandon her and later their children.No fucking clue. The amount of shifting happening was kind of absurd.Nobody knows. I think there's an answer to be found but we haven't figured it out. It's possible Kyle is Gab.
>>343275914
1Sean never had his password revealed, he was never a formal participant of the game.
2COMPLEX MOTIVES
3Akane is obviously more knowledgeable than Junpei about this esper shit, he just took her word for it
4See 2
>>343276142I think you underestimate how much of the last third of this game was just words words words with no puzzles. Not even words words words, but movie movie movie.
I mentioned this once already: If they had gone kickstarter and collected enough money we would probably have gotten a last big puzzle room like in VLR and 999 and a real epilogue instead of files.
>>343275914
>1st question.
Not exactly becauseThere's tons of Sean robots. And Delta just used that version "dying" to act like the same thing and released a x pass.
>2ndThey weren't in the right circumstances to shift out. They weren't in immediate danger by any means
>3rdIn one of the game over conversations he talks about how he used to be able to do it, so he still had the power, just didn't know how to do it after it being a year or so
>4th
I dunno, he's just a fucking dick.
And technically speaking, it didn't happen.
is it up on ciangel
What drugs were the animators doing?
>LOL TERRORIST
Seriously, I can't believe I was hyped for this piece of shit game
>The vents didn't actually go anywhere, they just had a nice little dog bed in it for gab to sleep on.
>>343276345
>In one of the game over conversations he talks about how he used to be able to do it
Nope, he's talking about using the Morphogenetic field there.
>>343276383
The drug of being locked in a vietnam sweatshop and having to feed your family on $0.05 a week, while not knowing what a computer is
>>343276258
I'm not underestimating it, it's exactly what I wanted, I was always in this ride for the plot and 2/3rds through the game I just wanted to keep reading/watching instead of doing puzzles (which I enjoy, but they're secondary).
I can understand why you didn't like the last third if you really cared about puzzles that much though.
>>343276345Delta is a constant and present member of Q team. Sean dying doesn't grant an X-Pass only Delta dying does.
>>343276524
As the series kept getting sequels, the puzzles had less and less to do with the story. ZTD's puzzles were completely disconnected from the story.
>>343276413
You realize that VLR's purpose was pretty much the same right?
Did anyone else really want to see Carlos just punch zero during the ending?
>>343276383
>Korean animators
>>343276414Every few hours he would eat a piece of cheese and then have a nap.
>>343276615
I want Uchi to go full VN again to be honest.
Even if someone doesn't like his twists, his narrative is always exciting, puzzles just interrupt that.
>>343276615
The puzzles allow for easier SHIFTing, as explained in the previous two games.
>>343276632
Yeah right, consider the following:>You survive the horrors of the holocaust
>All you family is dead
>your loved one is dead
>You get the opportunity to travel back into the past and take revenge
>You somehow end up in a reality where Hitler has become the most famous painter and his pictures inspired all of europe to live in peace and harmony
You gonna kill him or what?
He dindu nuffin
>>343276620
Except it's hinted through game, whereas in ZTD it's justDelta telling you once or twice. Also, did we really need the same plot point again? It's notas complex a motivation as he said.
Is there any cool"Q(Delta) is actually there the whole time wot-a-tweest" foreshadowing akin to the Sigma is old twist? Like when people call Sigma old man/senile.
I think someone mentioned that you could see his shadow a few times. Anything else?
>>343276589
Fuck, I didn't think about that.
Isn't that why there's only 3 times when x-passes are revealed for Q team?
>decontamination button
>eric's story
>thebomb
>>343276620
It's different though. Free the Soul and radical-6 were present early on and a consistent presence throughout all timelines and ultimetly led to the driving reason behind the plot. The terrorist mentioned in ZTD was a bookend on the VLR end to explain why the radical-6 outbreak occurs
Now that ZE is done, what's next for Uchi?
>>343276852Team Q talks bout the old man not being able to talk
Camera shifts to Gab.
Team Q talks about how the cpt. must take he order
Eric says they would have to do it by force
Team Q is executed
Junpei says
>EVEN Q?! I bet he couldnt even notice it because is blind and shiiit
Don't remember much else.
Reminder, Eric only pointed at Sean, in order to save Mira. Sean wouldn't have granted an X-Pass.Also why do so many team deaths and in one instance, and in once case only the death of Sigma and Diana (the live round ending), lead to a game over screen?
>>343276909
another erotic VN
>>343276852
>>343276959
Oh what I missed:In the 3 way standoff you want to say Q you have to insert his real name.
In the who killed Mira and you write Q, eric says it is impossible.
Any fucking way to change the pig disgusting capitalist american voices into japanese? I cant fucking play games like this, its like im watching western cartoons.
>wiki saying Left is an adoptive brother
Cmon that place should be informative, not a place to write headcanons.
>>343277152
yes
>>343277169
It's canon
>>343276843
He also had to make a bootstrap paradox like Akane did in 999 so he and Phi could be born the way they did.
>>343276890
I'm not saying it was hinted through the game like it was in VLR, just that it serves a similar purpose that Radical-6 and FtS did in VLR: they're the ultimate reasons why the game was made (though Brother had more than one reason, he also needed Sigma and Diana to fuck).
>>343277152
change it in the settings
>>343277152
Options menu.
Anata wa baka desu
>>343276959
Does that mean thatteam Q just leaves him behind when they leave and Sean runs back in because he doesn't want Gab to be alone? Or maybe he meant he didn't want Q to be alone?
The white robed person was Mira?Why did she kill Junpei?
>>343277275
She hadCOMPLEX MOTIVES
AlternativelyMIND HACK
Zero Escape hasn't had this many hand wavey explanations until ZTD
Wait a minute
>That part where Zero sayshe never gave the amnesia drug to Marie
Does that mean that the one time she was killed,that he just knocked her out and got his purple friend to strangle her?
>>343277219
In what fragment is itm
>>343277152
君はあほ阿呆だ
>>343277258Q was chained to Gab. We were just shown Gab though, notice how we didnt see the other end of the chain?
>>343277369
Fuuuuuuuuck, I hadn't even thought of that.
>>343277345
Mentioned*
>>343277321
Nothing hand wavey.
Mira was simply crazy and was told to go wild in the game.
Mind Hack was hinted at in VLR, it's also not that shocking in a world with Espers.
>>343277432
Mira alwayskilled for a reason. She didn't even try to touch Jumpy's heart.
>>343277275Yes, you see the robed person run through the X-Door, and later it says that Mira escaped. If you notice, she generally goes pretty crazy and starts killing people in whatever timeline she's alive in.
>>343277369
No, hold the fuck on.
That wouldn't make any sense with the way the chain was wrapped around the pole in that scene.I know he was MERELY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED, AND BLIND AND DEAFbut it still doesn't make sense
>>343277223
So we can agree it's the serves a similar purpose, but in one game it's implemented much better into the story compared to the other.
Was anyone else annoyed by the visual representation ofSHIFTing?
Did we really needgiant magical blue orbs to fly into their heads to know that they'd SHIFTed?
Now that I think about it, wouldn'tSigma have seen a blue orb jump into Phi's brain in the Dio end in VLR? She's right in front of him when she SHIFTs. Shouldn't he have said "holy shit Phi a blue orb appeared out of nowhere and jumped into your body"
Nitpicking, I know.
>>343277539
The chain was wrapped around the pole, then it lead away from the pole, from two sides, so obviously it was chained to something else.
>>343277539
Hey I don't make the rules.
>>343277515
Why does she only have the robes in that precise moment? She pretty much murders without care anyway.
>>343272101
>>343272084
Dammit I missed the hammer somehow.
Anyhow:I take it the cards are RNG?
>>343277592
DELETE THIS
>>343277580
I was more annoyed byCarlos anime super power.
>>343277580
Maybe people can't actually see it, and it's just a visual representation for the player
>>343277539
The chain was wrapped around the pole with the two chained to opposite sides. That's why they couldn't just pull the chain around the pole and take Gab with them.
>>343277502
>She didn't even try to touch Jumpy's heart.Or Sigma's or Phi's or Diana's in that one timeline
>>343277502
She literally killed Eric in one timeline because he told her his backstory.
She also kills D team in another timeline while cloaked.
She also didn't seem like caring about anyone's heart other than Eric's, so she's probably selective about who she takes the hearts from.
She killed Junpei either because she's crazy or because of Delta's orders, those are the two likely explanations.
>>343277663
>DELETE THIS
Karma bitch.
>>343277592
this is actually less retarded then the real twist that Gab is Zero
>>343277367
fuck off nigger
>>343277660
No, they actually spell out a phrase if you use the calendar to translate.
Hint: the first letter of each month is the letter that the card represents.
Who /games crashes when clicking new game/ here?
>>343277592
Why do you post this every thread.
That's the tip of the fucking iceberg too.
There's a lot more info if youactually played the fucking game
Also you're like 3 fucking days too late. Have you seen all the threads?
>>343277580
Yeah it was a little weird, but they probably don't see anything when they actually use it, you know?
>>343277580Orbs are just visuals for our benefit to know it happened, and to differentiate it from when they make a similar pose/motion when they're just remembering shit from other timelines. Characters don't actually see it.
>>343277657
Zero reason other thanOMG, IT'S PROBABLY YOU PHI, drama.
>>343277680
But we saw everythingthrough Zero's eyes.
Your answer would kind of make me even more annoyed.
>>343277821
>But we saw everything throughZero's eyes.
Except for whenhe is dead senpai.
Did anyone else get a weird graphical glitch where the girls' hair would go fucking crazy behind their heads?
>>343277908
what
>>343277908
I only got it once with Akane.
I hated how much more SAW this game felt, with the traps.
Even Zero sounds kinda like jigsaw, WANNA PLAY A [decision] game.
>>343277883
But it was stillthe view of the security camera'sright?
Maybe they're super hi-tech cameras that can show SHIFT blue orbs
>>343277821
It's also not always there. For example when you open D-Team's FQB and they suddenly remember everything they just zoom into their faces.
>>343273991
Autism is a bitch, ain't it?
>>343277941
>>343277948
Vita player here. I consistently would see Akane, Mira, and Diana's hair go nuts during cutscenes and start flapping around.
>>343277953
Maybe if Uchi didn't get the orders to make it more western, we would've gotten a more VLR like game
>>343277569
Well, they're related. The terrorist himself isn't important to the plot, I wouldn't even say he was "implemented" in the plot, the important thing here is the alternative, which is Radical-6, they're just two sides of the same coin. I would even say that both games purposes are the same: averting Radical-6's release.
VLR's ending was amazing but I didn't give a fuck about FtS most of the game, honestly ZTD has a weaker ending but a much better build up.
>>343274124
> Considering Danganronpa bundle on Steam
Worth it? I'm trying not to spend too much money at the moment.
>>343277997
Not always the security cameras. He could alsoMIND HACK and see things through their eyes
>>343277953
It's nowhere near as stupid or pointless as SAW.
Zero has a motive, even if it's kinda fucked and doesn't exactly work in the VLR timeline.
That jigsaw guy just got eternally asshurt because his wife died in a car crash and decided to use that moment to make people "thankful" with his obvious expertise in engineering and making torture devices instead of...you know...just moving on with his life like a normal person.
>>343278094
>Worth it? I'm trying not to spend too much money at the moment.
Then why consider buying?
http://pcgames-download.net/2016/02/danganronpa-trigger-happy-havoc-pc-hi2u-crack-torrent-uploaded-mega/
>When Sigma shifted back to 2029, Akane claimed that she had no idea where the mission site was or what happened there
Even if she lied, why would she not tell anything to Sigma? Could've helped a bit knowing what to expect.
>>343278164
Yeah, Jigsaw is a terrible villain.
>person tries to kill themselves and fails
>I should test if they really want to live by putting them into a dangerous situation because I don't understand fight or flight whatsoever
>>343274605
Oh, no... You got me... I obviously can't enforce my inferiour view, and must accept that yours is right. And I definitely didn't write that as a joke/satire
>>343278047
same here on the vita
>>343274124
Danganronpa is much better.
But ztd has tits.
in the healing room I can't take the picture with the wine glass and pitcher, help pls
>>343278052
Uchikoshi didn't make ZTD how it was on orders. It was all his own decisions. The new producer allowed Uchikoshi to do whatever he wanted to.
What was even the point of the dog besides being a red herring?he was very cute tho
>>343278340
>Danganronpa is better
No, no, no. Danganronpa is not bad, but it is terribly inconsistent.
>>343274124
Danganronpa>Ace Attorney>Zero Escape
all three series are good though
>>343278086
>averting Radical-6's release
Which happens in almost every ending except nowthere's suddenly a terrorist that causes MUH 8 BILLION if it's not released
>>343278260
that was an entirely different history, that Sigma that shifted back to 2029 is the sigma from the apocalypse ending
>>343278392
Hot theory is that he's Kyle.
>>343278350
You have to change the background to the sky by taking pictures of all but like two keys.
Oops
>>343278164
>even if it's kinda fucked and doesn't exactly work in the VLR timeline.
That timeline is necessary. Without that timeline, Sigma and Phi would never jump into their ZTD counterpart's bodies
>>343278447
Akane said that Kyle would play a very important role. So I guess that important role is being a fucking dog that delivers a message like twice.
>>343278481
I've done that, still won't let me take the picture
>>343278340
Danganronpa isnt very good. Main villan both times is bad for the sake of being bad. Complex motives maybe retarted but its better than xxXDispearGrilLXxx
are there no puzzles in this game? i've been "playing" for 55 minutes and there hasn't been a single puzzle yet.
>>343278340
No it's not.
They somehow made a mascot even more fucking annoying than the god damn Rabbit in Virtue's last reward and Teddie from Persona 4 combined.
Not only that, but they managed to have more plotholes with the characters and they just had to tack on the stupid dating sim shit.
UH YEAH HE'S A ROBOT AND IF YOU DO ANYTHING HE JUST KILLS YOU OR EXPLODES.
How the FUCK DO I SCAN THE BARCODE?
IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING
>>343278436
Yeah and he will eventually shift into the mars site after 40+ years, write that shit down in a dairy and you'll know all the puzzle rooms in advance.
>>343278664
You need 3 barcodes and go from left to right.
>>343278664
You need to run the scanner on everyone, and then use the big barcode their scans all form.
Why the fuck didn't any of the characters try and write down what happened to them in the fragments so they could remember it when they woke up? They had access to pens and paper.
Like I guess theSean minionswould just get rid of it while they were sleeping but they didn't even try to do it?
>>343278702
>>343278716
Oh.
I just had to do it from left to right in one continuous motion like a gigantic barcode.
Okay.
>>343278672the sigma and akane who keep making the AB game are stuck in a failing loop, the Sigma and akane who go on to get the true ending are in their own history now. it's the highway accident analogy from VLR
>>343276909
I just realized, what exactly does he do when he's not working on his original IPs?
>>343278425
Radical-6's release isn't averted in any ending outside of the true one (where catching the terrorist is a foregone conclusion, not really a cliffhanger), because Delta/FtS will always release it to kill the terrorist. One of those endings just happens to be the one that leads into VLR.
>>343278623
at least its more of a game
Wait i just remembered, so delta was friends with real shaun? Or was that a ruse
>>343278803
What do you mean? What do you do when you're not at work/school. Presumably Uchi browses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paradoxes, in his free time.
>>343278752
They didn't even need to, in the end.
They just started shifting everywhere.
Eric is too fucking stupid, and Miranever had the amnesia drug to begin with
Just one question without spoilerinos guys
I have only played 999, do I have to play Virtue's Last Reward to enjoy Zero Time Dilemma?
>>343278565
Gab was essential to get the important routes.
I also suspect it's Kyle because of how Sigma keeps feeding it even after by all common sense he should've saved food for himself and Diana.
>>343278854
probably real. being 124, delta was probably in a hospital at one point or another.
>>343277775
What I meant was I noticed that theoil and cigaretteswere unused. I assumed RNG was at work so the answer might be different like the password system in VLR.
>>343278881
You should. VLR is more important to ZTD, than 999 is to ZTD. Besides, VLR is the best one in the series.
>>343278829
Yeah, that would be tolerable if it didn't resort to SO RANDUMB humor.
Also the minigames got real old real quick.
>>343278943
What a funny joke anon, 999 is the best.
>>343278881
You can still play it, but you'll have VLR spoiled and you probably just wouldn't enjoy ZTD as much as if you had played VLR.
>>343278858
Like what other projects does he get assigned to especially since ZTD was put on hiatus for a while.
>>343278623
It's pretty obvious that Uchi wanted another shot at the Japanese market with ZE when he was making VLR, so he turned down the gore factor (a common complaint of 999 in Japan), and added a Monokuma clone as Zero. Not that I didn't enjoy Zero III
Post your face when pic related came up in the end credits
>>343278806
>Radical-6's release isn't averted in any ending outside of the true one
Technically they averted the release of Radical-6 from the test side. That was their whole mission.
What Delta does after that wasn't part of it.
>Delta/FtS will always release it to kill the terrorist.
Delta often died in one of those endings and it's not clear if FtS ever know about this terrorist.Also, why didn't Delta just go around the world and kill one person randomly? There would be at least one timeline where he kills the terrorist
>there'smultiple sets of X-keys
Fug
>>343272869
You never see him because camera angles and he's POV during Q team scenes.
Nobody ever calls Q, Q.
Characters will openly lament how horrible zero is for killing q, and talk about him during voting/execution but when they see "Q" they have no idea who he is.
You had more than enough info
Didn'tDelta say that Carlos killed him with the axe in one history?
When does that even fucking happen?
>>343278781
That could be avoided if something like this would happen
>hey Akane why am i missing my arms and eye
>OK WHERES WHAT YOU SHOULD AVOID WHEN YOU DECIDE TO SHIFT BACK, GRAB A PEN
>>343279107
He worked on an anime, called Punch Line. He likely worked on 1, or 2 other projects that didn't pan out.
Am I crazy for liking this game the best out of the 3? TheZero was Q and present on the team the entire gameblew my fucking mind way more than anything in 999 or vlr did.
>two qt girls and Sigma
>team D
wew
>>343278179
It's a "get this or that but not both" sort of situation.
>>343278883
>I also suspect it's Kyle because of how Sigma keeps feeding it even after by all common sense he should've saved food for himself and Diana.
That's stupid. Just kill the dog and save Kyle from starving. His mind would go back either way so why make him suffer?
>>343279258
>blew my fucking mind
Do "came out of no where" twists blow your mind that much? Then I got a surprise for you anon,I'm a robot, that was designed after your twin brother, that you never knew about. My name is Uchikoshi, nice to meet you
Okay, no spoilers if maybe I'm just fucking stupid. But WHY in the EVER LOVING FUCK
Is Delta/Q/Wheelchair guy, in the room with Eric when he has the gun in the transporter room, and NO ONE commented on this the whole fucking time?!
So what's the deal with the ending whereDelta has everyone killed and turns around to diana and says MOM
I already knew Diana and Sigma are his parents, so why would he shoot his dad? Does he have some kind of oedipus complex? Did he want to be alone with his mum in that shelter?
>>343279258
to each their own. personallythe red earth explanation and the radical 6 + low grav explanation blew my mind way harder than anything in ZTD. old deaf man off screen was just dumb, but the game was still worth it for other key moments
Just went to one of those real life escape rooms, ask me anything.
>>343279449
Why should we care?
Gab is just a plot device for the message gimmick and for the bad guy to have something cute and innocent to shoot at.
This Kyle bs makes no sense.
>>343279402Do you comment on a chair sitting in a room? He is a potato. They probably took him with them, he should have been in one of the pods.
>>343279402
Why would anyone comment on it?Delta was in Dcom before the games began, everyone knew him as Q. The team is even named Q team. It was no surprise.
>>343279449
Did you sought a way out?
>>343272917
The whole franchise is shit now didn't you get the memo
guys kyle isn't back because Troy Baker voiced him in VLR and he's too good for niche jrpg games now
>>343279549
Then why is Sigma back?
>>343279449
Was it the Zero Escape one in LA?
>>343279258
>Zero was Q and present on the team the entire game
That twist felt so artificially constructed to me and never had any impact on the story.
>>343279519
no one ever said"wow they made the deaf blind wheel chair guy the leader of this group wtf!" when zero says "q is the leader" the camera pans on sean and he goes...w-what?
>>343279549
Sigma was also voiced by him
>Game ends at Carlos pointing the gun to Delta
You guys weren't kidding about this game, what the fuck? I feel like I wasted my time playing, yet I have some mixed feelings.
>>343279596
>>343279632
damn, I'm stupid
>>343279402
Nobody was paying attention because Eric was having another one of his fucking moments
Besides, they were also distracted becauseThey were sitting there explaining how the transfer shit works and how they came from the future but not really, also Eric fucking killed Carlos at that point, and Q taking off his helmet
>>343279408
No, but it's probably played off because of his little speech he gives at the end.Where he talks about how you HAVE to watch all histories to get to this one because MIND HACKING
>>343279679
GEE I wonder if the firefighter who loves saving lives will kill someone. plz respond uchi
>>343279631
>no one ever said "wow they made the deaf blind wheel chair guy the leader of this group wtf!
O F F C A M E R A
>>343279549
>>343279632
> The VLR epilogue was added in later and the Japanese VAs weren't available
Did Sigma ever talk at all in the game?
>>343279631
>>343279519
Gee, maybe becausethe very first thing is that the leader has the make the votes for the "13:30" vote, and clearly sean does that?
>>343272917
The whole franchise is shit now didn't you get the memo
>>343274310
Aus is PAL so it should work just fine. But Europe has no physical release either so that doesn't matter
>>343279619
And it changes nothing from the game's point of view.
Sigma seeing his own reflection at the wrong time had real consequences at least.
>>343279735>Q taking off his helmet
You mean Sean. Sean was never Q
Did Anthropic Principle give anyone else Self vibes?
>>343279778
He was fully voiced in the anime short at least.
>>343279837
Fuck.
Yeah, mis-typed that.
Why am I up at 3 am discussing this anyways?
>>343272917
to be fair it retroactively ruined VLR for me. VLR was clearly an unfinished game, they promised to give closure with this one but they just ruined it with asspulls and deus ex machinas
999 should have been a stand alone game
>>343279781I replayed that part after I finished the game; as I recall, (I was skipping through, so I could be wrong and could've missed it) the recording, at least that played for Q-Team, just said a team had to vote, nothing about leaders needing to do it. And then voting duty was just dumped onto Sean.
>tfw u go play VLR after and realize
Sigma is an old man making sexual advances on his daughter
>>343279679
it's so deep that you wouldn't understand so I won't bother explaining
why exactly did Junpei had to work as a black market investigator for a year? couldn't he just check in on some contacts like once a year and been like "hey anything on akane? no? cool thanks"
How's the vita version? Mines is coming tonight. Hopefully I made the right choice
>>343276843
I think the complex means why hewants to see every possible outcome. I don't think the I just want to be born thing is part of the whole complex motive. It's probably some morbid curiosity about the butterfly effect that he was refering to.
>>343280237
Because Junpei needs an arc of rediscovering himself to justify his existence in the game
>>343280082
>tfw you realise that Diana had to choose between burning her daughter alive and maybe shooting her husbano
>>343280356
I swear I meant to put spoilers on that pls don't ban me mods
>>343280356
You should probably spoiler that shit dude.
>>343280284
I played download version of Vita. Runs fine for the most part, cinematics get a little choppy when it has wider shots and there's more than a few characters in the scene, but nothing too bad in my opinion.
>>343280436
In the future, control s in quick reply.
>>343280338
>It's probably some morbid curiosity about the butterfly effect that he was refering to
See, that's not complex at all. Then he was just curious. If you can explain your motivation in a few short sentences and other's can understand them there is nothing complex about it.
>>343280618
He's just doing MY REASONS ARE BEYOND YOUR UNDERSTANDING schtick that a lot of bad guys do.
Is there any explanation on what happened to Sigma, Phi, and Diana after the true end? The others get files on their fate after.
>>343280715
No.
>>343280715
Sorry no more budget to close that story :^)
>>343280715
it will be explained further in the sequel: Zero Time Escape
>>343279127
>got the leaked cia
>see this
>>343280834
More like Zero Money Sequel
>>343279210
He saidcarlos executed him. In that timeline team q got fucked
What ZERO ESCAPE superpower would you want to have /v/?
>SHIFTing
>morphogenetic fielding
>MINDHACKing
>Robo-Sean's Naruto-tier super strength
Miras got some gr8 tits
>>343280465
Thanks, I can live with that
>>343280974
psycho cunt
>>343280974
>those jiggle physics in some scenes
>>343280950from the way carlos and sigma described their experiences, SHIFTing sounds like the most useful.
>>343280950
>>343280950
Meme field if I can access the lottery numbers with it.
But I would always be afraid ofanother me shifting into me.
>>343279631
They are all going why him and talking about making him vote by force, as in moving his arm to vote. Eric even talks about an chair bound guy in the showers. It's kind of an asspull but it's been accounted for. It just makes sense to think they are surprised that the dumb child is the leader instead of the full blown cripple.there is also a part where eric talks to gab and sean asks him if he expects a response since he can't talk and is old. They arent really talking about gab
Rate the Teams /v/
>>343281250
D>C>Q
>>343281250
C>D>Q
>>343281250
Carlos solo>D>C>Q
How much better would the game be if they had all new characters for the 9 instead of 999 & VLR characters
>>343281391
I liked Phi, but yeah the other returning characters were annoying
>>343281391
Much better.
>>343281391
What was even the point of having Junpei and Akane there?
Did anyone solve the puzzles in the booklet yet
>>343281480
Especially since Junpei was completely different from 999. So was Akane to a certain extent.Anyone else annoyed that they were hating each other the whole game and then ten minutes of love later they're engaged? And then they get a super duper happy ending off screen?
>>343280237
If you want something done do it yourself. After 999 he could probably just ask Seven every once in a while but he wanted to find her himself, not just play with his wiener until he gets a call
>>343280618
But you can easily twist that further. Why are you curious about every timeline. Why do you want to see your parents die in multiple ways. There is usually also a reason behind being curious.
>>343280974
I popped so many boners just imagining sucking on those tiddies
>>343281250
C > D > Q
>>343281250
Q > D > C
Why did Q ran like naruto in that one scene? Anyone have a webm?
>>343281250
C>D>Q
Rate that booty.
>>343281582
Some anon guessed them yesterday.escapemurder
>>343281250
Q>D>C
>>343273751
I forgot how fluid the spritework was in 999
Let me tell you a good thing, /v/.
im fucking stumped. ive done almost everything. i cant get any further and i think the reason is that i didnt complete the triangle ending. i put ineric,mira, andnobody. i got thedream or realityending andlearned Q's real nameso i went back and put inseanbecause i was told that i had tocommit suicideas the fourth option. but it's not accepting it? am i missing something or doing something wrong? also when i enterQ's 8 digit codeintoQ-team's force quit boxit also doesn't work, and i don't know what else would. did i get a glitch in thedream or realityending? because none of the information it gave me is doing me any good except for mildly ruining my life. or am i just an idiot and doing everything wrong?
>>343283007
I really thought Gab was supposed to be us. He was there for every big part of the game, and the camera focus on him really felt unnatural.Deltakilling him even felt like him being aware of our presence, and killing our "link" to the game.
But no.
>>343283047
Did you see all the executions?
Did you let the timer run out when Eric asks you who killed Mira?
>>343283126
yes and yes. should i post a picture of my flowchart to help?
>>343283159
Yeah that'd help.
>>343283064
I thought Gab was Zero for like half the game. Dunno why.
>>343283047
you most likely missed an ! on the flowchart
>>343283007
Fuck you
>>343281250
D>Q>>>C
>>343281616
the happy ending kind of pissed me off
>>343283007
that was so stupid
>Let me tell you two good things
>One: Check behind the counter
I mean I wasn't even upset becauseHe was old and Deltas dog anyway so it wasn't some morbid fun but more putting an old friend to sleep but why point it out.
>>343283198
you got it dude. sorry it's kinda fucked up, it's 4am and i'm too tired to make it cohesive. marked as spoiler so other people dont see the hidden endings (for lack of a better term)
So I'm playing alien yugioh right now and I'm confused as fuck
Am I suposed to figure the numerical value of all cards using the device that breaks either the card you place or the one it shows?
I figured that the card that breaks is the card with the lower value, but if so I don't understand how a man + 2 moons is higher than a bird
>>343283412
Wait, you got thetwins end, so you already know the password forthe door of truth
>>343283434
I have some basic notes, want me to post a pic? it won't solve the puzzle but it will get you damn close with a little math
>>343283434
Did you read all the chapters?
Because multiple symbols have a different meaning to them
>>343269197
YOU FUCKED UP
>>343283434
Think logically. If there are more than one icons on the card, that means the values are multiplied.
Seeing how the highest number is 12, you can already reason out which card that is
>>343283478
you got a password from that?? i thought the hint was touse diana's mementos for the force quit box, which i did already
>>343283618
No.Eric and Q found a door behind the portrait, right?
On it, it saidThe twins' birthday
>>343283587
>>343283568
>>343283531
I didn't realize there were more chapters
I thought multipel symbols meant they added
So why'd they have sex in the pod
see,s like it'd be awfully uncomfortable
>>343283618check the golden door as team qcheck the stranded pair bitcombine
>>343283434
Don't use the machine, use logic. If triple moon is moon x moon x moon and the highest number is 12, there's only one possibility for moon.
>>343283709
She wanted Sigma's Bigma. Who can resist a man with an 18 inch dick?
>>343283762
I actually figured out the numbers of all base symbols using logic but the fact that they multiplied threw me off
I'm also stuck, the only password I've gotten isQ's helmet unlock code from the reality ending
I know I haveall 3 executions and the one where everyone survivesbecause all of the lights are lit up.
I probably missed something super obvious because I am dumb.
>tfwfinished the force quit box line, and had carlos about to shoot delta
Is that it? Really?
>>343282502
Phi's butt truly did not get enough screentime
>>343283840Don't answer eric when he asks who killed mira
>>343283840
In theWho killed Mira?
let the timer run out
That is all you need to finish the game.
>>343283840Let the timer run out when Eric asked who killed Mira
>>343283840
To the left of the mexican stand off, there's a decision where Eric asks you who killed Mira.
Let the timer run out.
>>343283903
>>343283923
>>343283929
>>343283934
Thanks, I totally forgot that one was one a timer.
So guys, now that's it been a few days since you've finished it, have you changed your mind about ZTD as a whole?
Whilethe ending felt lackluster, I did have a great time playing the game.
>>343283671
OH SHIT YOURE RIGHT. i completely forgot because i was so convinced thatmira was one of lotus' daughters, i just assumed that it had to do with Q team. so i enter11162029into thedoor of truth?
>>343283773
why didn't they just do it on the floor
>>343283867You get some files explaining what happen to the characters after that.
So from the VLR we know thatAlice and Clover were abducted and put into cold sleep.
So does that meanAkane goes wake them up in the true end? I mean she and Sigma have no reason to let them sleep for 45 years.
Is that not mentioned because newer playerswould not know who that is?
>>343284002
Yep.
>>343284002
try it out
>>343269235
>>343269283
BLACK AND BLUE
>>343284006
they didn't have the budget to animate sigma's massive schlong
>>343283996
I have the exact same opinion as you
>>343284029
I think I'm missing some trophies though. I know one is for finding all the hint notes for puzzle rooms, but some are hidden so I assumed plot...?
>>343284048
I think they only get abducted in the VLR end timeline, so the true ending sluts would just keep on what they did
>>343284058
anon is my angel! thank you very much
>>343284114Did you input 'delta' in the three way standoff?
Fuck this game. ZE 4 fucking when?
>>343284114
If you got the plat trophy you got everything in the game
>>343284085
YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA LICK IT
>>343284153
They wereabducted before christmas, so before ZTD takes place.
>>343284185
Damn. Only thing I'm missing is finding all the hint cards for room escapes. Is there a pastebin for them or do I have to comb room by room?
>>343284295
In the fragment flow chart you can see if you have them all. There is like a x/y on them.
>>343284238
I legit thought she was gonna do it and it was kind of hot
>>343284295
Sort the File tab on Room and it should give you a good hint as to where to look
>we ended up in a timeline where we got ZE3
>but the series endedwith asspulls and ayyliens
Won't you call this a Happy End?
>>343284295
you probably missed one in the study where you havej-03-06 or something like that and get another book
I forgot what exactly it was, I just remember that j becomes c because of the 7 down and then you add 7 to the other 2 numbers
The hint is fucking stupid and I believe everyone figured it out by themselves, because it's the solution tothe fucking keyparts and figuring out you have to combine a with b and c with d doesn't require a god damn note
>>343284178
hopefully after Uchi gets lynched
>>343284391
You finished the game.
Remember the "happy end" - end? There was a 50% chance it would not end happy.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ART BOOKLET
>>343284391
I don't know if I want to stay or get off Kotaro Uchikoshi's wild ride
>>343284391
Can someone break down thesnail story for me?
The woman running was Eric mom, stabbed by Mira, the getaway picks up the surgeron for bioSean, Who was the falsely conviced man/suicide mom/two kids?
>>343284391
BRAVO UCHI
>>343284453
>win coin toss
>some fucker from the other timeline swaps with you
>you're back in the bunker with the live self-destruct
JUST
>>343284586Man who got executed for the murder was Akane's / Aoi's father. Her mother committed suicide out of shame.
>>343284586Akane's parents.
>start game
>let D-team get executed
>unlock about 6 new scenes for D-team
?????????????
>>343284586Akane's parents
>>343284673
Did you play VLR? Did you know what you were getting yourself into?
>>343284586>The woman running was Eric mom, stabbed by Mira
correct
Akane's dad was arrested and executed, Akane's mom comitted suicide.
Akane's dad called a taxi before being arrested, the surgeon for Sean took it and died in an accident.
Eric's dad became an alcoholic and killed Eric's brother Chris. Eric had to dumb the body into a lake, Eric's dad later died of an illness.
So in short: FUCK SLUGS
>>343284648
I meant the ending fromSean who has a 50:50 chance of living in the perfect world in Virtual reality or stucking in the real world with nothing to do
>>343284749
>FUCK SLUGS
No,Fuck Mira.
Wrap it up or start a new thread. Last post was 500.
>>343284749
The old man in the hospital with Sean wasBrother, right?
>>343284731
100% completed both 999 and VLR, yes. But in both those games you can just play a single timeline until the end, and then go back in time to make other choices.
>>343284841
Don't mind if I do.
>>343284878
No, you're all over the fucking place in this one.
>>343284875They don't tell you, but he probably is.
>>343284875
Probably.Remember that Eric's mom talked to someone on why she choose the other path? One explanation would be that it has been Brother as well, else he would not know about it.
But he actually didn't have to ask her that, you know why because you finished the game.
LIFE IS SIMPLY UNFAIR
SOU, OMOWANKANE?
>>343284928
Yeah, I noticed. Just feels weird having a team die and have them alive again in literally the next scene.
So wait, what the fuck? That's it?
Do I never see why/how Mira managed to cut Junpei into little peices without knowing about the ward?
What about Alice/Clover?
Why is brother such an asshole?
Why isn't anything wrapped up? This was the last game!
>>343284841
I would
>>343284875The guy who asks Sean if he likes to read in the Study flashback sounds like Wesker, and Brother did build a giant quantum computer and robots modeled after Sean, so yes
>>343285097
Just keep checking the flowchart if you get confused.
>>343285145>What about Alice/Clover?
see
>>343284048>Why is brother such an asshole?
he dindu nuffin in the true end>Do I never see why/how Mira managed to cut Junpei into little peices without knowing about the ward?
she is crazy mang>Why isn't anything wrapped up? This was the last game!
OR IS IT?
>>343285145
play the next game :^)where the terrorist reveals that he's an alien and if Earth is not destroyed, the universe will die
She took all 18 inches didn't she?
>>343285252
GRANDPA
FUCKER
>>343285252How convenient that aliens built the pods just the right size for humans to fit in.
Do i need to go through all the "press the shower button" things pressing the button every time too?
>>343285252
This was my favorite scene, it was so sweet
>>343285228
But that doesn't make any sense.They are already in the future timeline in VLR, and they comment on how even if they undo the events in the Mars Site, they're still gonna be in that timeline. They say they're going to use Scrotty Cat to get back, somehow.
Waking them up now is helping an alternate timeline and has nothing to do with VLR clover/alice
For that matter, why is shifting totes cool in VLR, but like murder in ZTD?
Brother still runs a terrorist cult that wants to recreate the world as he individually sees fit. He do stuff.
Yes, It is! There is no more money.
>>343285393How convient they used radiation on the visible spectrum to humans to differentiate the cards.
How convient the cards aren't 7 billion ton blocks that the aliens lift with mind powers
etc etc
>>343285472
Probably.
Pay attention to what is said when Diana presses the button. Especially the end.
>>343278417
Danganronpa>Ace Attorney? Pls kill yourself.
>>343278417
>Dammit Ronpaul
>over anything at all
bad taste senpai
>>343269197
I could literally not believe how fucking retarded that was.
>>343285493>For that matter, why is shifting totes cool in VLR, but like murder in ZTD?
They don't actually shit, they just download everything from the meme field in VLR.>Brother still runs a terrorist cult that wants to recreate the world as he individually sees fit. He do stuff.
He never killed anybody as far as we know.>They are already in the future timeline in VLR, and they comment on how even if they undo the events in the Mars Site, they're still gonna be in that timeline. They say they're going to use Scrotty Cat to get back, somehow.
They can use the ayy lmao transporter. Akane used it in the VLR timeline so she knows about it. The original is obviously stuck and even if they get send back, they either send to:
a) a timeline were radical 6 kills all of them
b) a timeline were copies of them exist in cold sleep that are not needed for VLR because it wont happen (true end)
You see why so many people have problems with this game is because it doesn't fit perfectly with VLR.
>All those people who insisted on believing Phi wasn't Diana and Sigma's child
How do you feel now?
Is thisMira? If so how? I remember mira having that scalpel
>>343285772
Well that's the fucking problem, isn't it?
VLR says thatClover and Alice will be rescued by some stroke of genius, and then they and K are never mentioned again.
Not to mention, even if they did send bodies back, they can't shift into them, so for all intents and purposes they're stuck anyway.
>As far as we know
If they're bad enough for Jumpy to blow up their headquarters and have PTSD I assume they're in some deep shit.
>>343285917
You could play the game and find out yourself. Or your read this:Yes.
>>343285721
he just wanted to save his friendsand almost killed them in an explosion
holy fuck this fucking transporter room shit
Why did Zerokill Gab? They were going to die anyway.
>>343285956I hope you also noticed that shifting also only occurs after Carlos downloaded something from the meme field in the AB game.
In fact: Shifting is just a lame plot device in general that never happened before. Every other time it was download stuff from the meme field and could actually solve all the stuff that was solved with shifting.
>>343286016
I was honestly wonderingif he somehow got infected with a virus that made him mentally retarded, like an early onset of reverie syndrome because he couldn't control his jumping yet.
>>343286079
It's really really easy. Do you need hints? What part are you stuck on?
>>343286092
To provoke them
>>343286092
Old gods are better put out sometimes.
>>343286092
Because FUCK YOU. That's why.
>>343286092
>that edit of the game's back coverwas right all along
>>343286184
*dogs. Kek.
>>343286184
Spoiler that shit
>>343286158
It just takes forever with all the endless inputs of these cards and writing shit down
>>343286387
You only need to do the "is this bigger" like for 3 symbols. Read the book.A chapter tells you that 2 symbols on a card dont add,they multiply, and they only go from 0 to 12
Using that, it's easy math if you have a few written down
>>343286565
Yeah, I got that, but it's just this endless clicking even after I know the answers
ayy lmao
>>343286643
DELETE THIS
>mfw they use theayylien cards to block the needles in the bracelet
just like that
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