ITT: Honest characters
>>343256618
Best addition to Sm4sh, I automatically respect anyone proficient with him. Cannot control when I do light or heavy normal attacks with him.
>>343253502
>mfw getting good at falco in sm4sh
>mfw people sleep on the lasers
I'll just be setting up easy edgeguards with laser spam and b reverse lasers
>>343256273
The king Dreamland doesn't deserve.
>>343256476
Don't believe his lies.
>>343256950
Is this the hoy thread
>>343257027
>doing ftilt locks after dthrow when they dont tech
>sh-uairs into utilt then another uair to fair/bair
Falco is the most fun character in the game, along Doc & Ryu.
>>343257190
Didn't realize there was a fellow hoybro was here.
Here, have a rare hoy
>>343253502
Hitomi is pretty straightforward in 5LR, I'm fairly sure.
>>343256830
go watch some trela plays.
>>343256618
Nah, 0 to 50 combos on too much of the cast. Can kill early out of a jab as well, not an honest character.
SOON
>>343257252
>everything about dtilt
It's safe on shield, starts combos, links into grab, and kills. Damn good range to boot. What a fucking amazing move.
Barring 64 of course.
>tfw wanted to get good at Sm4sh
>was too anxious to lose against opponents to get better
>what little I learned has probably been forgotten by now
GET
>>343257828
I would still play falco if my stick wasnt fucked, i cant aim fire bird properly so i die even more faster when recovering.
>>343257578
Thing about Ryu is, he's hard to play compared with most of the top tiers, and getting in is his hardest deal. He's also combo food and his recovery is easily gimpable.
He's damn good, but is far from perfect, so i will say he's the honest char of top tiers.
>>343253502
If by honest you mean bottom barrel shit tier have fun never EVER seeing Falco in tournament.
>>343258040
Ah, that sucks.
>they miss a tech at any range
>badass laser reset into grab shenanigans
>>343258349
It's not about shitty Smash anon.
>>343258262
Honest of top tiers, sure.
Outside of the top tier, he's not though. Great recovery, awesome reach, fair projectile, massive damage, amazing counter, pretty much everything he does trades, and as I said, the ability to kill from a jab. Compare that kit to even high tier characters and the gap is blatant.
>>343256618
>Aerials that do massive damage
>Auto-wins against any heavy character
>Focus protects from non-multi hit aerials
>Anything + True Shoryuken combo that gets him kills at like 70%
>One of his most simple b&b combos does like 35% damage just for shits and giggles
>Can barely punish his moves because they have MASSIVE hitlag and shieldstun plus they got pretty good frame data
>Hitbox on his up tilt is fucking stupid and stunlocks people to death if they are heavy or if you accidentally wasted your escape second jump
>Heavy as fuck
No. I'm sick of the "R-Ryu is an honest character!" garbage. He's a shitty pay2win DLC character. He isn't "difficult" to play just because you never knew to do a SRK motion in your life. He's piss easy and the only reason he isn't played more is because people haven't picked up on how retarded his damage output can truly be.
Fuck Ryu and anyone that plays him. There is no reason he should be this fucking strong when he has no significance to Nintendo, and when fucking SFV is a goddamn PS4 exclusive on consoles. What the fuck were they thinking.
Yeah, everyone had a lot of damage on their aerial moves, but they got nerfed, and suddenly Mr. Capcom DLC Fuck comes over and can deal like 30+ damage with two aerials because he's DLC? Get that shit outta here.
I wish everyone was balanced to be as strong as the top tiers. If everyone was able to be about as strong as Ryu, the game would be perfect. Unfortunately, it's probably impossible, due to how varied the cast is.
>>343258786
t. Sheik player
>tfw getting the stock with the tornado
>>343258786
calm down, anon.
>>343258786
>being this mad
>>343258786
Stop playing Wario please
>>343259736
I can't play against Platinum because every time I see her getting pounded I get an erection it's not fair!
>>343259736
I don't like the RNG aspects of her character, but I like everything else, especially the bubble.
Cat missile is best
>>343253502
Hey, Hands off my main!
Pure honesty.
>>343260174
>dem super combos into chains
melee iceclimbers
>>343260668
in smash 4 this is probably the most honest character, no gimmicks, no proyectiles, no bs, only skill
>>343253502
>playing smash 4.
how is kindergarten?
>>343253502
Most fun character coming through
>>343261849
pretty good, teacher gave me some sweet apple juice
>>343258786
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6eqhPLjDhg
>>343260742
Nope.
>>343261875
>6f disjointed F-air that deals 13%, combos into itself, and kills sub-100% at center stage
>second-strongest vertical killthrow attached to a character with 7th best runspeed
>honest
>>343261931
>Waft
>honest
Good taste, though.
Falcon........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................PUNCH!!!
>>343262842
Never said he was honest lmao, Wario is legit the most cheap character, cause that's just the playstyle you have to play cause he legit has nothing besides Waft and gimps/great recovery
goddamn give him a lil buff in the next patch to make him be able to contest with the top tiers, PLZ SAKURAI
Too honest for his own game.
2.0 on console when.
The only "dishonest" thing about him is how early fsmash can kill but he has no set ups into it so it should really never ever be hitting unless you do some dumb shit like airdodge his dthrow around 50-60%
>>343258262
>he's hard
All you have to do is use your muscle memory and you are going to kill at 50 with no problem. Then his combos are easy as fuck because its walking foward and if possible finish with a dair, if not, your 5 combo hit already made 50 damage, just spam utilt now.
>>343266102
Puff is not honest, is awful
>>343266437
she's honestly awful
>>343263171
is captain falcon honest? asking for a friend
>>343256618
>Super armor
Nah
>>343257587
That nigga can combo off of overheads now. That shit ain't honest.
>>343257752
I'm glad Smash 4 was good to Sheik, they stopped chaining Sheik mains to Zelda
>>343266875
not when he's dthrow/dash attack : the character
What the fuck is "honest character" even supposed to mean? Characters you like? Is a character not honest if they kick your ass? I swear you faggots are so salty.
>>343267290
It's a character likely to be used by people who just play the game, that is, not spam/campy playstyle and don't resort to cookie cutter combos for easy wins.
Also applies to characters who are outclassed and irrelevant, so there is a "honest" interest for the character by the player using them
>>343257932
>>343260742
>>343261308
>>343261875
>honest
>>343256273
Let him sleep.
>>343253502
>Was considered the best Falco in my region by both randos and top players
>Dropped him 2 months ago because he was holding me back
>People still ask if they can play my Falco
I just don't feel him anymore. He may be honest but overall he's just bad
>>343260668
Good taste, I love Ike as an amazing low committal secondary who's all about fundamentals
Pic unrelated; Greninja isn't all that honest but I'm glad I main him now
>>343259109
>>343260742
You disgust me
>>343257932
This is a joke post right?
>>343260668
Fellow Ikebro
>>343268034
Falco is bad, don't get me wrong, but of all the fuckers in fhe game, i feel he's the most fun to dick around with all those interesting options
>>343268102
haha
>>343268102
>pit
>not honest
I've never felt like I was cheaped out when I lose to the Pits. They're super well rounded.Minus the up b I guess.
>>343268254
I'm not denying that
Pit players are almost always campy faggots
>>343268034
I think any character that can use moves that bounce off of your shield is bullshit. You should be punished for missing an attack.
>>343268342
This. As a Dark Pit player, it's pretty easy to just spam arrows and rack up damage since they're stronger than Pit's.
I think he's pretty honest. Just punishes hard.
I can't think of anything unfair on him..
maybe hydrant spam
Q: Is there any fighting game character more honest than Elphelt?
A: No, there is not.
>>343268384
If you see the dair coming you can spot dodge or roll and get a huge punish off of it. It's startup is huge and a ton of Greninja's spam the fuck out of it
>>343268207
Falco dittos are fun as fuck when they're almost entirely played offstage
>Smashfags who think their two button party game where literally 1 button is pressed 90% of the time is a serious fighter
Wew
I wanna like smash bros but the pre-cooked combos everyone uses now is kinda tedious
>thrown into the air
>nair nair upair
>40%+ damage I couldn't do anything about
advice?
Name any fighting game with a more complex character than Melee Ice Climbers, which entails more than just wobbling but also all of the desync setups and handoffs.
>>343268561
>got his own hoo hah
>it kills early as fuck
>honest
>>343267870
Yoshi would never lie, and Fei Long is a pretty honorable guy. So they are indeed honest characters.
>>343269031
I thought the thread was about characters who aren't top tier
Fei is like top 3 best character in SF4
>>343268984
Potemkin 6k loops are significantly harder than wobbling
>>343263171
What's Falcon Punch + Falcon Kick?
>>343268941
learn2DI
No, seriously. Proper combo DI can be the difference between a 15 and 30 percent combo. Don't rely on shieldgrabs too much either, half of what people train for is it not get punished from attacking a shield.
>>343269115
Honest and top tier aren't mutually exclusive. You can still be top tier and honest
Honest entails no gimmicky shit
>>343268941
most of smash4 combo shit are pretty basic stuff unless you want the gimmicky stuff (like jab/tilt locks)
64/melee/pm has more complex combo stuff
>>343269264
Ha.
>>343269245
>>343268941
The only "deep" combos smash 4 has are footstool combos
>>343268887
You can say that but the button pressing is more than just static inputs, from the sticks alone there's 3-4 technical options such as moonwalking, stickywalking, shield dropping and isai dropping lasers along with dash dancing and other small stuff which is similar to most games. A lot of the inputs aren't too hard to understand but do take a good bit of practice for consistency, I'm not too sure about SF V but I know 4 had very insane technical skill needed to play competently.
>>343269140
Well wobbling is very simple to do, anyone could honestly do it. What I mean is the other aspects of icies. I'm not sure how familiar you are with them mechanically but basically it's like controlling two characters at the same time in most situations where Popo is usually desynced from Nana and both can input seperately to setup situations. One in particular is the handoff which is Desyncing both from a grab and moving Nana forward while you throw with Popo so that you can regrab with Nana into other setups.
>>343268693
His dash attack being lagless is the only whack thing about him
>>343269320
Not enough people utilize footstool combos in this game
If you want to work for your wins and rely on the least-damaging attacks in the game, with strings that deal less damage than many characters' buttons, Sceptile is your man. The tools are there, it's up to you to apply them.
>>343268727
1.0 Elphelt is the most honest character in existence.
>>343269140
Also not to discredit your information but from looking at the loop you mentioned it seems like it's a combo that usually wouldn't happen in a match seeing as it relies on the other character being in the corner and getting setup upon for free. I'm not too knowledgeable about GG and you can correct me if i'm wrong.
>>343268727
>>343269464
Am I being baited?
>>343269636
Of course not anon! I would never lie to you!I know some people have trouble detecting sarcasm, but did the smug seriously not tip you off?
>>343269603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jOjenL8WM
Here's not too bad of an example of kind of what I mean. A lot of the inputs only work because of the desync but basically think of it as having perfect awareness of both of your characters and how Nana's AI works.
>>343268941
Play a smash with real combos.
>>343269962
So, Smash 4 or Smash 64.
>>343269785
Not him, but I've never played xrd who is this and why is/isn't she honest
>>343253502
>Lied about his malfunctioning G-Defuser.
>>343266120
Sm4sh doesn't use much of muscle memory.
Ryu needs more muscle memory than a lot of the cast, maybe more than the entire cast combine, which is sad.
>>343270209
he never said anything about his arwing, he just said he was fine.
>>343270035
Elphelt,a newcomer to GG. When the xrd sign first came out she, was considered possibly the strongest character in the game, but she was nerfed in 1.1 to be a bit more easy to handle. She still is extremely strong however.
She essentially has an amazing projectile, her grenade, that can sit on top of people and blow up after a certain amount of time. It has multiple hitboxes and good throw angles which makes it a great move pretty much everywhere on the screen, at any time.
She also has several stances that involve her transforming gun that are all fantastic and strong in their own ways. Shotgun, for example, has some of the most oppressive lockdown pressure in the game.
Impressive damage on top of great buttons and damage, plus unblockables make her easily one the strongest characters in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8fbwlZ70w
>>343268034
I do pretty well at my locals with Jigglypuff, Falco isn't even that bad.
>>343253502
>>343270574
I played bowser at a local PM/Melee tournament and triggered a poor kid. Probably the most fun and honest character in that cast.
>>343270803
Pm bowser and Dk are fun as fuck
>>343271006
Yeah I never play PM at all since I don't find it too much fun but I usually enter to just fuck with people. Last time I beat a wolf main with Ice Climbers, the other guy after that I played in losers with was a ganon main I think and he 3 stocked my icies so I just picked falcon and than bowser and shat on his soul. I enjoy messing with PM players cause I feel like they get upset faster.
How is guilty gear as a fighting game? I'm honestly don't know too much about it to get an idea. Is there any really historical sets I could watch on it?
>>343269440
Having average-at-best normals is a good trade-off for such amazing dash attack honestly.
>Not my main, so not an honest character!
>Even maining anyone and not just being goood with everyone
get honest /v/
>>343271420
Its a incredibly solid and deep fighter. It has relatively short combos in comparison to other fighters but very high damage.
I would say the biggest difference between it and other fighters is how strong every character can be. There are plenty of moves, and characters as a whole, that if just viewed in a vacuum seem really overpowered. However the way the game is designed, both in its offensive and defensive options, makes things that would be broken in any other fighter reasonable. There's a lot of match up knowledge present at all times because of this.
Im not really sure what to look for in terms of sets, but both the top 8 at EVO last year, and the top 8 at CEO about a week ago were both excellent and worth a watch.
>>343268693
>no decent kill options
I guess it's only fair, but they should at least buff his grab in some way.
>>343271420
Not honest. You cancel out if all your attacks to make it safe or for gimmicky mix ups
Hated xrd/r
Give me ac+#r
>>343272437
The only thing i can think of buffing his grab while keep him from spamming it is to make his pivot grab brawl yoshi level of good and make UpThrow kill at 150% on fd (shits kill at like 210% lmao).
Oh, and make dair & uair not shit
>>343265565
Airdodge Dthrow is literally what wins most of my games. You can sometimes start this stuff at ~47%
>>343272654
As if you didn't just do the same crap with FRC, only it was harder
>>343273071
The entire battle wasn't rcs all game like it is now.
>>343269375
I agree Melee is technical as fuck do to all the movement options but smash 4? Fuck no
>>343273281
Its not now either, just a strong tool. If you have worse neutral then the other person, you will still probably lose neutral even with rc.
>>343263439
I honestly am in love with Makoto!
>>343262257
holy shit. jade is my waifu
>>343268887
>1 button with a dozen different results depending on DI and air/ground, before even counting specials/grabs
>in a game more about spacial movement than blow-to-body positioning
As a Tekkenfag, I enjoy the hell outta Smash, be it 4's balance, Melee's speed, PM's attempt at both worlds, whichever.
>>343273795
Against good players in even 4, a lack of fast reflexes and planning will still get your ass handed to you. Melee having an even higher ceiling doesn't negate the former.
I fucking love Marth in Melee. I've been maining him since February as I was getting into the game. Seeing the improvement with him is so good to witness.
I believe he's not as honest since he's a gimp god, but he's still fair in other areas. What do any Melee or Sm4sh fans think?
>>343273929
Too strong
smash bros is a super comfy series.
I just wish the fanbases would get along
>>343274769
I think it's perfectly honest to reward proper zoning, since he doesn't spike unless he hits with the tip unless I'm mistaken. I think he does a little too much damage for his range overall but there's nothing inherently bad about his playstyle.
Falco is the most honest character in Melee.>>343253502
>>343273071
The difference is that you can't FRC damn near everything, and it also didn't slow down time.
Like, I kinda get why normal RC gets the slowdown. Shit is costly, and one of its two biggest uses is extending combos, so the slowdown gives you some time to position yourself better for how you want to do that combo.
YRC getting the slowdown too seems pretty fucking nutty to me, considering you are only spending 25% and not only do you get to cancel the startup of everything that isn't a DP, you also get to slow down your opponent and give yourself a shitload of time to set stuff up. Its like a get out of jail free card on top of a ridiculously powerful oki tool.
I like Xrd, don't get me wrong, but YRC is stupid good.
>>343275281
That's more for PAL, but in NTSC Marth's dair has to be hit around tipper level however I once hit a friend from the side with the very end of dair and send him downward from a Firefox. It was a laugh.
This thread is shit.
Only characters that are honest are grapplers
>>343258786
SF2 was the isnpiration though some things from SFIV carry over into his design, like his character design in general and his focus attack.
Sound effects, stage, music and his reveal trailer are all from SF2, which was the most sold fighting game on the SNES platform of all console releases, perhaps even beyond fighting games for Capcom themselves.
