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Its AMD, what did you expect, a 980 killer?
Despite all the hype "AMD is more prepared for FinFET than Nvidia", they fell this flat. Couldn't even beat 980.
>>343207890
270 EURO SHEKEL
"/=
>>343207890
They hyped the card so much that the prices of the 970 became comparable, which rendered the release useless.
Nvidia's 1060 TI will murder this thing
AMD can't compete
>>343208540
rx480 is still 60 dollars cheaper. Google your facts instead of repeating them off a nividia board.
>>343208720
RX480 costs 320 euro where I live, that's not very cheap senpai
>>343208709
Probably. But it'll also be 50-100 dollars more expensive. AMD is going for a budget card.
>doesn't meet PCI-E standard for power draw from the PCI port
Well, gonna have to wait a bit since I'm on a >100 USD mobo that I wouldn't want to subject to that kind of load. Well done AMD, at least 3.5gate didn't have a risk of frying your fucking mobo
>>343208491
Why would it beat something that costs 2x more
>>343208881
Ahahahahahaha why aren't you living in America? Get out of your shit country.
Anyways, it's a cheaper card for those living in America
How good are 970s? I see one on sale for 289.
>>343208709
>expecting any x60 card to be good
>>343208881
>320 euro where I live
>where I live
Found the problem.
>>343208881
import from other eu countries
Can this card at least break 60 fps at 1080?
>>343209093
get an rx you mong
>>343207890
>complaining about a 200$ card, marketed as a 200$ card
>>343209275
What site is that?
>>343209093
>paying more for less vram
lol
>>343207890
Nothing. It's THE best budget card out there right now.
>>343207890
AMD let the hype boil over; helped push a narrative that this card would beat the 980 in general performance when such a thing wasn't the case.
I'm probably going to wait until 1070 prices go down, as well as see what Vega has to offer, before I upgrade my 6950.
>>343208709
>192-bit bus
I don't know familia, we'll see I guess
>>343208881
stop living in slav slime
it is an amazing card that can run very demanding games like witcher at full HD at 40+ fps, for 200 bucks, that is amazing, the problem with you homosexuals (specially nvidia retards), is that you think that every single fucking new card should be a high end behemoth, this card is aimed to mid core users that want to build a gaming pc but dont want to spend 500+ dollars on a GPU, fucking dumb shit.
>>343209093
480 is usually marginally better than a 970, but it has more vram and will age better. It also costs less, at least in burgerland.
should I bother "future proofing" with the 8gig or stick with the 4, dont plan to ever upgrade past my 1080 monitor.
The real question is how much better would this be over my 6870
>>343209596
480 confirmed for 4k low settings 30fps master race.
It'd be great IF I COULD FUCKING BUY ONE
The fucking big box stores dont have them out yet, and everyone online that can get me one within a few days is sold out.
>>343210053
>buying a 480 for 4k gaming
>>343209947
Some games already use more than 4gb of VRAM, better play it safe senpai
>>343210035
immensely
>>343209275
what site is this??
>>343210075
>buying reference when customs are launching next week
>>343210190
wow shit could get real bad for AMD
>>343210121
I havent bothered to keep up with 3rd party in a long ass while, who should I look out for? I heard msi is p. good for AMD
>>343208984
gtx980 was 500$ a month ago, and launched at 600$
>>343210190
>>343210320
nothing is gonna happen, go back to fuckin reddit and stay there
>>343210430
Sapphire is usually the best
>>343209835
B-but muh apples and oranges comarison
>>343207890
shit performance
shit plastic cooler leads into overheating
doesnt meet standards of PCI wattage usage leads into damaging your motherboard and potential housefires especially during overclock
>http://videocardz.com/61667/what-reviewers-say-about-radeon-rx-480-exceeding-pci-express-power-specifications
>http://videocardz.com/61667/what-reviewers-say-about-radeon-rx-480-exceeding-pci-express-power-specifications
TOP KEK BLUNDER OF THE FUCKING CENTURY
RIP AMD ON DAY 1 OF POLARIS
>>343210584
cheers, ill wait for everyones reviews to come out, but ill keep an eye on them
haven't built anything since 2009 so pardon my retardation
>>343210454
>gtx980 was 500$ a month ago
Then its 2,5 times more expensive. My point still stands
I'll wait until the manufacturers make proper RX 480 with good cooling and an 8-pin power connector. Also, AMD will optimize drivers.
Speaking of drivers, will Nvidia slowly gimp Maxwell cards with new drivers. You know, like they did with Kepler?
>>343209548
>>343210184
https://geizhals.eu/ / https://skinflint.co.uk/
>>343210035
My current card, an HD7870 is only slightly better than your card, it can barely play the new DOOM at the absolute lowest settings (but still 1080p), dropping below 30FPS in many parts.
The RX480 can play DOOM on Ultra settings and maintain above 90FPS at almost all times.
It would be a huge improvement.
>>343210156
I had that feeling, too bad that's less a bottleneck than my AthlonII 635 CPU. Maybe I'll invest in an i5 and one of these when I can save up some.
>>343208709
Good luck getting one at a non-scalped price before December 2016 with all the trouble Nvidia are having with their manufacturers.
>>343211145
Better than buying this "firestarter"
Only cucks buy AMD
>If just ONE 480 can kill a mobo then what's going to happen to the suckers that got TWO of them for crossfire? I expect motherboard genocide.
WEW
>>343212498
with a 2x combo, even the neighbour's house might burn
I always though nvidia was cooler than amd... hmmm....
B-but it's ok when AMD does it, i-it's for the people! The consumers! The real heroes!
>>343209715
>1070 prices go down
lol
This 480x is only 30% faster compared to my 2+ year old mid-range Card . Thats fucking nothing. Not to mention the insane temps reviewers have reported.
>>343213036
Testing methodology can cause different results.
>>343213557
But the results are consistent, enjoy your house fire. No thanks Pajeet, lmao
Hitman shows it almost as fast as a GTX 980Ti
>>343207890
32 ROPs
>>343213918
Yeah that's what I said a month ago.
64 rops better than GTX980
32 rops comparable to the GTX970
When are we going to get third party versions with decent cooling? Also do you think its worth upgrading from a 280x?
>>343213768
That website better watchout, they might get blacklisted by Nvidia for actually benchmarking with a DX12 game
>>343214084
Its supposed to be around 50%-100% better. I'd honestly wait for the RX 490
>>343214084
soon, yes
Is this a good deal?
I don't know shit.
>>343214542
No.
>>343214542
Hell no man. The 480 is more powerful and 100 dollars less.
>>343214685
but gtx960 doesn't cause house fire
>>343214685
8 gig is 60 less. the 4 gig is flat 200.
>>343214295
Nvidia are the most corrupt company of all time
>>343214542
thats an awful deal lmao
>>343214685
that is a bundle, it includes 8gb of ddr4 ram and 240gb ssd
>>343207890
Two shitters of a company in a name calling contest where no one wins. Not the makers nor the consumers.
We need a third maker of GPUs.
>>343210190
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT AND CARD RECALL INCOMING
SELL AMD STOCKS NOW
>>343214936
Oh I didn't even notice that. That's pretty good then.
>>343214867
Or could it be that AMD just happens to suck in DX11 games?
>>343210893
My 280x doesnt go below 70fps on ultra, I dont see whats the point on upgrading if you are goong to stay 1080p, 1070 and 1080 are really good, yeah okay but my year old 200 bucks gpu runs everythinf ai throw at it
>>343215119
The purposely make preset game settings that can only run on the latest hardware at 60fps to force AMD users and previous Nvidia customers to run lower settings or suffer massive performance penalties. They've been doing this since the early 2000s
Not to mention they take dirty money from the mob
>>343214009
It's not the end all for performance but only having 32 will definitely make it harder to compete at higher resolutions. I'm sure ROP efficiency has improved with Polaris but there's no way it's a 2x improvement. The PS4 GPU has 32 ROPs which does not bode well for the Neo upgrade in terms of 4K gaming. (not that 4K gaming was ever a realistic goal anyway)
>>343215437
No it doesn't, stop lying. 280x can't run DOOM Ultra consistently even close to 60,exept for the opening lvl.(which happens to be the demo lvl).
I'm disappointed it seems to have the same performance per watt as maxwell but other than that it seems like a good budget card
At least it performs where rumors suggested it would
>>343216142
It's AMD, all hype no deliver. They're losing to both Intel and Nvidia. Not too long they'll be out of business, and then the Nvidia and Intel will charge more.
Hype, and possibly Glofo's 14nm being a piece of shit
I have a R9 390, which card should I jump to when the time comes?
>>343216379
It performs exactly where the rumors were putting it.
All over the place.
It's 970 tier in most tests but it's 980ti tier in hitman for no reason.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=408409
AMD is doomed. Not even their fans want to see them ever again.
>>343216620
Hitman is sponsored by AMD and it can use DX12, which AMD is better at for now.
For $200 it's a pretty good mid range card. I was gonna get it until I'm ready to fully upgrade my PC
>1070 will be delivered tomorrow
the wait hurts.
>>343216674
It's also way faster than a 980 in 3dmark 11.
I think it's just this card has an unbalanced performance profile and some games/tests that have unbalanced loads will work in it's favor, guru 3d says it's fill rate but i don't know what that is, i've seen it a few times when trying to find the performance of consoles and handhelds though.
Nothing. People just over-hyped it.
>>343213768
Gee I wonder why
>>343216895
they're referring to the pixel fillrate which is determined by the raster output unit count. The RX 480 only has 32 ROPs which is the same number the Radeon 7970, 7870, and 7850 had. Also the same number the as the PS4 GPU has.
Pixel fillrate is one of the biggest advantages the PS4 has over the Xbox One, due to having 2x the ROP count. The 970 has 56 ROPs (of the 980's original 64) so it's going to always have a significant pixel fillrate advantage. As GPUs become more efficient though the effective fillrate gets closer to the theoretical fillrate.
>>343216630
Cards always do that though.
The 750ti had a power consumption of like 80-90watts when it didn't even have a power connector.
>>343217353
>RX480
>efficient
>almost same power consumption as 1080
yeah ok pajeet
hardware pleb here
can someone give me a no-memes shitposting answer to this?
what consequences does this power overdraw on the PCIe slot (if i understand it correctly) actually have for me and my hardware?
>>343217649
Changes that the slot smokes itself dead.
>>343207890
>Polaris
more like Poolaris amirite
>>343217649
Nothing. Most card do it.
>>343217649
Pretty much all PC hardware are designed to meet strict specifications, and if they run outside of those parameters they can fry themselves
Built a pc like last week with no GPU because of AMD hype. Should I still buy the 480 4gb? Never plan to go 4k.
>>343217649
it means the card draws more power than it should, which is bad! your motherboard will get all hot and bothered about it if you stick it into a certain slot.
>>343217649
None.
It's like the Nvidia housefire meme back with Kepler. Sure, some houses burned down but the majority of people who bought these Nvidia GPUs were fine.
>>343217545
effective fillrate has absolutely nothing to do with power consumption retard
Based on the benchmarks, it's pretty clear that the RX 480's ROPs are more efficient than the 980's given there are half as many and the card still manages to perform well. The 1080 and 1070 also show a massive improvement in ROP efficiency given that the 1080 has fewer ROPs than the 980 Ti and still outperforms it 100% of the time, even in fillrate intensive applications.
>GUYS PLS HELP
This gtx 970 is currently the same price as a rx 480 where I live. Which should I get??
>>343217979
970
>>343217892
It would still be a better idea to get a 1070.
>>343208964
So it's AMD's fault you have a shit mobo?
>Both new consoles will have a polaris gpu
>this was a good thing.
>>343217979
480, how the fuck is this even a question?
Better save up for a 1070 though
>>343217968
Fermi was the house fire one.
Kepler was actually really power efficient.
>>343217979
8GB RX 480, you'll regret only having 3.5GB of RAM in the near future.
>>343217979
>similar performance
>8gb vs 3.5gb
>newer architecture
>cheaper
Take a guess fucknut
>>343209731
>>343209373
it waa built to, so yes
>>343218041
But that's like way more expensive. 1070 only good if you plan to go beyond 1080 60 fps.
>>343217979
Neither, they 480 is most likely overpriced in your region and the 970 is just a stupid purchase that will become obsolete as soon as DX12 arrives.
Wait for the 1060 and then make the judgement.
>>343218032
>tricking people into falling for the 970 and getting cucked
Is this fun for you?
>>343218215
I can do that too
>>343217979
My wifes bull gifted me a 970 to celebrate our second black breed and what can I say? I absolutly love my new card! It fits my lifestyle perfectly and just feels right
>>343218215
no, but is cherry picking that screencap fun? people sure do it a lot.
>>343218276
I know the DOOM AMD issue was patched, was the Mirror's Edge issue fixed? I don't know given no one gives a shit about Mirror's Edge Catalyst.
I think the RX480's power consumption problem has to do with such high clocked GDDR5. 8GHz is faster than any GDDR5 have every been clocked at stock. GDDR5X is clocked a lot lower
The GTX1070 with GDDR5 non X clocked at 2GHz, consume 40w more than reference GTX1070s.
>>343218045
Nice reading comprehension.
>>343218276
>>343218459
No offense senpaitachi, but recommending a 970 in this day and age is mean. What do you get out of cucking people into an obsolete 970 on an anonymous image board?
>>343209438
y u tho
>>343218621
nothing, and the card isnt obsolete. I would recommend him get a 1070, but that's nearly double the price and idk his budget.
>>343209596
you can't run 1440p with that shitpile properly anyways, what would you need 8gb vram for?
>GTX 1080
>~2500 shader units
>RX 480
>~2300 shader units
>both using similar 14/16nm process
>1080 is the top card by a mile
Why is AMD's architecture such shit?
>even the biggest Nvidia shills like Linus and DigitalFoundry recommend the 480 over the 970
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING BROS
WE CAN'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT
>>343218782
There are already games out today that need more than 4GB of RAM at 1080p, why the fuck would you think that won't be the case in a year or two when new consoles are out?
>>343218782
games like tomb raider can already consume 6.5 gig of vram running at 1080p
>>343218796
>newer tech performs better for less money
HOLY FUCKING SHIT DO OTHERS KNOW ABOUT THIS??
>>343218795
higher power consumption, less reliable drivers, worse noise/heat levels, generally worse performance at equal price points, etc
b-but they're for the gamers! AMD cares about us!
>>343218795
shaders is just one measurement
>>343218795
Nvidia spend a lot more money on their architecture. That's why their GPUs clock higher and handle more intense tessellation
>>343218795
>RX 480 Async support
>yes
>GTX 1080 Async support
>no
>>343218796
Linus will shill for whoever writes him the biggest check, AMD has him in their pocket atm.
>>343218859
Because that's bullshit. No game needs that much more ram unless they are a mess like Batman or have an useless uncompressed texture option like Mirror's Edge.
>>343218527
The MSI 1070 has the same memory clock as a reference 1070
Who 1070 master race here?
>1080
You're okay too, if a bit excessive.
>>343219108
>No game needs that
By that logic no game needs 4GB of RAM unless they have useless uncompressed textures!
Just buy a console you fucking idiot if you want to talk about what is necessary for gaming.
>>343219097
>DX12 titles performing like shit on all hardware
Try again
>>343218985
In regards to power consumption, the 480 is about the same as a 970. Drivers is a bad meme that shows you don't know anything about the GPU market. Every reviewer has said that the reference RX 480 is pretty good for a reference cooler and not as noisy as what reference coolers usually are. And the performance thing is totally wrong. NVIDIA always gets blown the fuck out by it's AMD equivalent in the lower GPU bracket, the mid GPU bracket, and the beginning of the higher GPU bracket. NVIDIA only outperforms AMD at the highest tiers like the -80s and -80tis but those are niche cards that mainstream people don't buy.
>>343219141
1070 is better for you if you only want to do 1080/1440P, res which the 1080 would be massive overkill and not worth the increased costs.
>>343219125
you wont crank up every graphicly impressive game to ultra setting in the future obviously but i dont see how someone would expect that from a card worth 250 bucks anyway
>>343219125
>actually ready for DC12
>AMD cards are notorious for getting better performance over time
As much as I hate the future-proof meme - if you're on a budget and want something that won't shit itself in the next 2-3 years the 480 is a pretty decent choice.
>>343219141
the CPU is a real shit bottleneck. but performance is oh so good. could use more ram as well.
>>343219125
The price isn't just decent, Nvidia has no competition for this card on the market right now even at 150$ more.
Right now the closest you can get is the gimped 970 at 300$ or a 980 at 400$.
>>343219203
Oh look, you do get the point.
> Still, after subtracting for Windows and background processes (system and logging utilities), we never saw the Witcher 3 exceed ~1800MB of VRAM. This value might increase in certain areas of the game, but that's what it was for the starting village.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1949-witcher-3-texture-quality-comparison-vram-and-fps
>>343218795
Nvidia sacrifices FP64 performance and has a color compression thing that sacrifices some albeit imperceptible visual quality.
>>343218683
>LISÄÄ KORIIN
she sounds hot
>>343219125
the only cards that gets gimped are nvidia cards. and NVIDIA doesn't have any mainstream cards on the market. most gamers go for 1080p 60fps and the GTX 1070 and 1080 are quite excessive for that.
>>343219279
Don't even have a 4k monitor so yep, 1080p
>>343219451
AMD has new color compression in the 480 as well
And games don't need FP64, and the GTX cards are for gaming not workstation tasks
>>343219141
Gonna join the 1070 club mid-July and coast on it until I can get that ASUS monitor on Black Friday and eventually upgrade to the 1080ti.
Then I will know the bliss of 1440p 144hz on Ultra.4K is a fucking meme unless you somehow manage to get a monitor that's over 30" large and has less than 5ms response time
>>343219417
>if developers cant handle the vram demand reasonably games demanding above 4 gb vram basicly dont exist
>>343219139
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1070_Gaming_X/1.html
No anon this GTX1070 has GDDR5 not GDDR5X. Notice the difference in power consumption
GDDR5 @8GHz uses a substantially larger amount of power
>>343219535
if your going for 4K the 1080 is the card to get. it's that simple. otherwise the 1070 is imo the much better card for the average consumer.
>>343219417
>texture quality on max settings is identical to PS4 and Xbox One
dude just stop, Witcher 3's textures are mediocre as fuck
>>343219672
Are they? Then why can't the 480 go above 50 fps with it? MUH VRAM
>>343219852
>RX 480: 8gb GDDR5
>PS4: 8gb GDDR5
idiot
>>343219852
Has absolutely nothing to do with VRAM and is probably the result of the RX 480 only having 32 ROPs. It's also a DX 11 title.
>what went wrong
The only thing that went wrong was that people got too hyped. It being a GTX 980 would have been awesome but a nongimped 970 is still good. This is a good midrange card that will play basically any game you throw at it on high or even max settings.
If you already have a GTX 970 or an R9 390 then there's no need to get an RX 480. But if you don't, then the RX 480 is basically a more modern version of those cards. It'll be interesting to see what the AIB companies do with it. All we have right now are stock reference cards.
>>343219606
Yeah they both have lossless compression, it's juts nvidia's is definitely better.
AMD cards are more VRAM limited in both bandwidth and capacity due to this, that's why a 2gb maxwell card was mostly on par with a 4gb AMD card last gen.
And yeah i'm not saying reducing FP64 isn't a good idea, but it's something AMD hasn't done
http://www.geeks3d.com/20140305/amd-radeon-and-nvidia-geforce-fp32-fp64-gflops-table-computing/
Nvidia reduced it significantly between fermi and kepler and again between kepler and maxwell but amd keeps their FP64 performance at near workstation card levels for some reason.
It saw decent sales for them in the buttcoin bubble but i can't help but feel it's not a great plan for gaming in the long run.
>>343219852
Lighting is quite intense. Their are a lot of performance heavy effects in the Witcher 3
Where can I find a 1070 lower than $500 all of them are out of stock on newegg
>>343219646
Both 1070s have gddr5.
And the 1070 uses more power than a 1080 when overclocked because they've disabled some units on the GPU so the remaining ones have to work that much harder to keep up
>>343220117
You can't, this is what a paper launch is like
>>343220117
https://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1070/
>>343207890
Nothing?
Not that I expect a retard on /v/ to undertand, shill.
>>343220117
Watch EVGA's site like a hawk. Check in at least 4 times a day. It'll pay off, as it's only $440 there.
200$
WAT BUY
>>343210280
sauce?
So much for $380 GTX1070 LOL
>>343209030
i dont want to get killed by pleb police
>>343219932
>>343220071
>>343220071
Perfect, glad we settled that VRAM ain't worth shit unless devs are retarded.
>Please shit in my mouth, dev! I have 8gigs to take your lazy coding!
>>343221040
>plays PC games
>doesn't expect devs to be retarded
Good idea anon, just buy your outdated limited shit and hope for the best!
>>343209438
>>343218683
SUOMI PERKELE! 6-1
>>343208491
It's a 480. Not a 490 or a 490x. It's a budget card. There's no reason for people to assume its competition is a high end card.
>not 199€
The 480 is a house fire waiting to happen
>>343209835
This is one of the best posts and will be ignored as per usual
>>343221501
>GTX 480
>those heatpipes
you do realize that the RX 480 and GTX 480 are not the same product, right?
WELL, /v/ saved my ass and mobo once more, gonna wait for the aftermarket.
>>343221501
That's a GTX 480, you butt.
>>343221779
>aftermarket
sapphire is already available
>>343221706
The 480 is even worse in crossfire
>>343218456
Getting cucked by your wife isn't enough but you want your computer to cuck you too? Damn, son
>>343222123
Does he review old games and swear at them?
>>343217845
Can you show me what cards actually do?
>>343218117
>same price as a rx 480
Damn you cant read AMDdrone
>>343222543
GTX750Ti is notorious for it
>>343215119
When has AMD not crashed and burned when trying to run any kind of game?
>>343222543
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_750_and_750_ti_review,5.html
96w
>>343222832
Mantle.
>>343222961
wtf, where did you see 93w?
>>343223483
Overclocked the GTX750ti will consume above PCIE certified wattage
I'm going to get one to replace my 280x. What are you gonna do now?
>>343221851
fuck my sides
>>343223792
enjoy my 1070
Building a PC for the first time soon, give me the lowdown on cards. Planning for a 970 since the 480 is apparently a meme. Can an I5 and a 970 do decent mid-range work?
>>343210280
It was leaked that custom coolers won't be out for another 2 weeks at earliest.
>>343224147
nigger 480 hasn't reached halve of the memelevel the 970 has
buy an APU, free of all memes :^)
>>343224147
The GTX 970, R9 390, and RX 480 are all basically in the same price race and perform the same. Of those three cards, the 970 performs the worst and will age the worst because of NVIDIA gimping and because of it's only 3.5 gb of VRAM.
>>343223792
Nothing, you seem to have your shit together.
AMD is a fine solution for mid to mid-high end desktop cards but it's shit for mobile and high end because of their inadequate performance/watt.
>>343207890
Nothing.
80% of people buying video cards buy cards in the 150-300$ range.
AMD said that they want that segment and they are doing their best to get it.
>>343224147
RX 480 isn't a meme just overhyped
The GTX970 has a serious issue with its memory partition. It can cause freezing during gameplay when memory usage passes from under 3.584 GB to 3.585 GB
>>343223868
>$500 card
No thanks
>>343224147
wait for the custom 480s and get one of those, they'll probably have 2x6pin or an 8 pin connector and should sort out any problem this power consumption thing might turn out.
>>343224334
>970 is 3.5
Ahh I knew I forgot at least one dankmeme
Will a 480 be openly available at some tie in the next month?
>>343207890
With all the free shilling Nvidiots are doing for them, literally nothing.
Stay mad.
>>343224505
Should be unless production issues kill the supply
So I should probably just get a 390?
When is the 470 coming out?
>>343224147
Follow this anon's advice>>343224446
It might be interesting to look at the GTX 1060 too when it comes out.
Be patient anon, right now I don't think it's a good time yet.
>>343221832
is the pci problem fixed or nah? And is sapphire aight?
>>343223483
Meant 92 watts. I don't know where I saw 96
>there are retards on /v/ who can't understand the difference between a budget performance card and a high end card
no wonder they just buy the latest nvidia card unless reddit tells them not to
name another 1080/60 card for $200, dont fucking say 970 at $250. I can't wait to use this jump from medium settings
>>343224619
I'd wait for the custom RX 480s.
>>343224679
no one knows anything about the 460 and 470 yet
>>343218985
>less reliable drivers
This standby is has been outmoded for well over a year, since the release of Catalyst Omega basically, with Nvidia having the more recent driver issues when updates were killing some people's cards. Then there's the fact that AMD's drivers have proven more reliable in terms of providing long-term performance increases, with Nvidia being under longtime suspicion of deliberately gimping outgoing models to make their new lines look better in comparison.
>generally worse performance at equal price points
Except that for several years now Nvidia has only had AMD beaten in price/performance at the top level, with everything below favoring AMD.
>>343224845
To be fair they are comparing AMD's highest end 2016 card with nvidia's lowest end 2016 card. What can they compare against? the 970?
It isn't the consumer's fault that the gpu vendors are doing a weird avoidance dance with the cards this year.
all of a sudden i don't even want it, what cringey marketing
>>343224923
I wonder how long that will take. This old card needs to go
>>343224604
Ok cool. I'll keep an eye on it.
My build btw
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/yxn9WX
What 480 should I look into? 3rd parties any good or is it too early to tell.
>>343221040
>VRAM ain't worth shit unless devs are retarded
>unless devs are retarded
>unless
Just bought one.
Best card in the $200-$250 dollar price range. Prove me wrong. Pro tip: you can't.
Danefag here
>200 dollars = 180€
>180€ = 1341DK
>chepeast 480 here cost 2299DK
>2299Dk = 309€
>309€ = 342$
I don't know why i gave my hopes up for something that was actually just as affordable here in EU
>>343225441
Which company? also do you know when the non-reference ones come out?
>>343225140
They can realize this card isn't supposed to replace the latest and greatest 390s/980s/titans/etc and is supposed to bring poorfags into 2016 by replacing their intel 3000's/hd6000s/etc and giving them reasonable VR performance.
If anything, the 490 will compete (well probably not considering AMD), and the 1060 isn't released yet. Basically, AMD and Nvidia have gone with polar opposite approaches to the market.
It's literally common sense, and if that is out of reach, AMD and Nvidias marketing is explicitly saying the same shit. Don't excuse the redditors/underage arguing over this card not outpacing the titan.
>>343225503
import you limey bastard, wait till that shit hits amazon, use a proxy to go to the US version, ship it to yourself as a gift, pc mustard.
>>343225503
Should have left like Britain
my 4gb 960 runs everything fine at 1080p and I downsample plenty of shit too.
I won't upgrade for a while. whenever I get a 4k monitor I might. would grab a dank may may gpu then as well.
>>343225889
>my 4gb 960 runs everything fine at 1080p
No it doesn't
I'm not looking to do any VR shit but I am looking for a card that'll last me a few years and be able to run any modern game at 60fps/1080p.
Is this the way to go or is there another card I should be looking into?
>>343207890
the card didnt go wrong, leaks and AMD fanboys did.
We got a fuckton more efficient 290x with twice the vram
people are retards for thinking a 380 sucessor could give them Fury performance at the first sign of a sketchy Videocardz leak, along with hyping the fuck out of impossible performance
>>343225889
is the game supposed to look this shit?
>>343223792
idk
I wanted it to be better then my R390 but i guess i could just get one and crossfire them if i wanted a preformance boost
Any crossfire fags in this thread that wanna give some tips?
I haven't done it before
i dont get it, why did everyone constantly post about how this card was going to be better than a like $600 nvidia 'counterpart'?
>>343225512
MSI. They give 3 year warranty.
They have also flashed their AIB model today:
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-asus-strix-msi-gaming/ which apparently clocks at 1.4-1.6ghz but will be substantially more expensive. I think it will be somewhere between 980 and 980ti performance. You can also go for sapphire non-reference models as they built their cooling solutions exclusively for AMD and probably have the best experience in working with these cards.
More AIB models will be coming in the next 2 weeks probably costing around $240-$280 depending on where you live (I guess).
>>343225604
amazon USA doesnt send hard- and software to an adress outside of the USA afaik
>>343225306
My reference HD6950 has been great to me.
I'd get the Sapphire reference card and leave it at reference or underclock it a tad to help out your motherboard if the PCIE power draw is a serious concern
Given how the RX 480 is only supposed to draw 80 watts its not a big deal. Its only 5 watts over certification requirements
>>343225889
if your "fine" is 30fps, i believe you.
so does the card actually fry my PCIe slot?
>>343223792
Congratulate you for finally being able to upgrade to something worth it.
Never been one for AMD, but for many people the 480 is exactly what they were hoping for when wanting to upgrade from shit like the 750ti or 280. That's a good thing. Options are good. Not everyone needs a 1070 or a 1080. Not everyone needs a Fury or a fucking 980ti.
1080p will continue to be standard until console gaming officially makes it obsolete. This is a fact. I'm very sure 1440p is vastly superior--I plan on jumping on that ship come Fall. But for now, it's perfectly fine to just have a setup that performs 1080p 60hz without much issue or price gouging.
>>343226129
>the human eye can see above 30 fps
rofl
>>343226471
480s in CF is what was compared to the 1080
>>343226430
To be fair they were saying it could be overclocked to fury levels and it can in the benchmark it does slightly better in than usual for no reason.
>>343225512
Sapphire are known to be AMD's most reliable partner company.
>>343226647
I just can't even convince myself to upgrade to a 1080 or 1070. They're way too expensive and there's nothing to play that will even need them
>>343226164
Your best bet is this card. The only other card that offers similar performance is the 970. But you'll have to buy an OC model to get the same performance. Furthermore the 970 is already hampered today from having 3.5gb vram which causes severe stuttering in games with high res textures.
Last but not least:
The RX480 is the _only_ card that completely supports all dx12 features. Async compute and conservative rasterization. The 970 can't do that and the next bigger cards 980 can't do it either. The coming 1060 can also just emulate it. So if you want profit from dx12 there is probably no way around the 480 or just straight up buy a 1070/80.
>>343210687
>>343212498
D E L E T E T H I S
>>343226640
Unlikely. Even though a reviewer card pulled more than it should have no damage was sustained. AMD also already ordered that card back saying that every GPU has to go through an independent pcie testing board before it can hit the market. These independent test found nothing wrong with it so it is possible that it's a faulty card. Either way I'd wait out one or two weeks and see how things develop.
At least AYYMD is finally embracing the fact that they are forever the poor person option.
>>343227248
(You)
>>343226929
How I look at it, is that I plan on running 144hz no matter the resolution. With the 1070, I can at the very least run potentially 120hz at 1440p, or the full 144hz at 1080p on maxed out settings for damn near every single game currently out. I don't have a computer yet, and I don't have bills to pay, so my budget is far more lenient because I'm willing to sacrifice time to get a car into making sure I get a computer that will last at least 5 years in terms of performance for current standard resolutions. It will be a long ass time before 4K becomes the standard everyone's claiming it will be. To me, it's a worthy investment to go the extra and get a $440 card that will last me until Spring, where I can save up little by little every month and afford a 1080ti when it comes out and be set.
You most likely don't have that opportunity. If you're perfectly content with 1080p and sticking there, then honestly, the 480 is literally the best possible upgrade you could ask for.
>>343223765
no it won't, their tdp calculations are flawed
i seriously dont know if the rx 480 is bad after reading this thread . all i do is want a gpu that will last me for years on a 1080p monitor
>>343227706
>GPU
>status symbol
man you must get laid a lot.
>>343227796
(Y-(You) too
are backplates necessary? I bought an MSI armor 1070 but it doesn't have a backplate
Just gonna wait for non ref 480, maybe those will oc more reliably, not to mention not heat up like a star
Hey fags
I'm running on a 7850, i5 3570 with 8 gigs of probably shitty rams
Do I need to upgrade everything or can I just swap out the 7850, add a SSD and be done with it for a couple of years?
>>343207890
Nothing. Stop shilling nvidia op.
>>343228067
They're a cosmetic thing so no.
>>343228356
Yes.
>>343227948
Either go for the RX480 or the 980. RX480 got 8gb vram and proper dx12 support so it's probably more future proof. Also nvidia is notorious for droping all driver optimizations support of one gen as soon as its successor comes out.
>>343228356
upgrade your ram and GPU, overclock the CPU if you can.
>>343227980
>status symbol
>nothing at all to do with absolute performance
Man, do you really think everybody who spends more money than you is just a fool trying to impress people? It must suck to live such a jelly life. You don't have to be rich to be okay with spending 500, or 1000 once every couple of years on something you like.
>>343228356
Who are those seminal receptacles?
>>343228356
cpu is fine people still use 2500k with no problems today. Intel is mostly stagnating in terms of raw power. GPU and SSD should do the trick. Also don't skimp on the SSD get either a samsung, intel or ocz one.
>>343207890
When are the aftermarket ones coming out?
Lemme break it down for people.
Are you poor and want a future proof card that is solid for the next couple years?
>480
Do you have decent funds and want a card that'll last you for many years?
>1070
Are your parents incorrectly giving you money instead of love/you're a richfag?
>1080
>>343228786
>>343228539
So a 480, yes?
>>343228681
Obviously by calling other people poor due to their choice of products, while stating your choice of good, you want to elevate yourself from everyone else. Truth is though that a gpu is probably the most laughable attempt at impressing people. I also take the fact that you replied to me that I hit a nerve.
>>343229586
yes (but wait until the first non-ref models arrive in the next couple of weeks)
>>343226498
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202221&cm_re=sapphire_rx_480-_-14-202-221-_-Product
So this sapphire one is fine?
i have an R9 270 and i play on high at 60fps for each game
can someone tell me the reason for excess power for gaming?
>>343230052
Nvm, this is reference actually
>>343207890
it's worse than a 390x
there's no point in getting it if you want an upgrade since the 390x will drop in price to about the same
>>343230159
An r9 270 cant play every game at 60fps, it's only a little faster than a ps4.
>>343230159
retards who think there is anything worthwhile to play on PC that would demand it. My setul is about 10 years old and I still play most games at 1080p60 at mid to high settings.>>343230232
>>343230232
Yup. Only reference models launched. AMD probably wanted that the cheap version is in sufficient quantity available. You'll probably have to wait 1 or 2 weeks. The cards can only get cheaper, I guess.
Ayy
got a new sweet i5 with a new mobo
12 gigs of ram 1333 mhz
and a gts 450
what do
>have EVGA 750Ti
>want to go to 1080p, RX480 seems a nice upgrade
>all of this shit happens
Is the RX470 preferable or just wait for 1050/1060?
>>343230660
>12 gigs of ram
i5s have never been triple channel, what the fuck are you doing?
I have an FX 8320.
Which Intel CPU should I get?
>>343230569
The waiting is killing me T_T
But fuck it, I just need the aftermarkets to get here
>RX 480 comes out
>Literally everyone who gets their hands on this to review it says it's an amazing deal
>/v/ and /g/ exclusively bitch and moan for no reason everyday about it
AMD memes aside what the fuck is wrong with this card? Hating on a product solely because of the company itself is also the definition fanboyism and even worse in this case when the company in question is the only thing keeping Nvidia and Intel from being monopolies. Why can't people just be happy you can get a GTX 970 equivalent now for $70 cheaper and with lower power consumption? What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?
>>343230742
what shit happens? Also the 1050/60 will lack proper dx12 support so no, not future proof.
>>343230898
6950X
>>343230990
>with lower power consumption
It has higher power consumption than a 970
>>343230898
If you're shopping for new chips the i5 6600k, or anything about the i5 2500k if you can handle buying used.
Honestly if you can wait for AMD's Zen and Intel's Kaby Lake they'll be out 2017 Q1. Though if you need it now, Skylake is fine as Kaby Lake looks like a it's actually going to have a slower base clock but with lower power consumption.
>>343231473
Does it now?
>>343230990
Well, it's like the guy who drives a large, lifted truck in compensation for his small penis. I wonder what /g/ and /v/ are compensating for
>>343231640
AMD cards consistently use less power in furmark than in games for some reason
If you scrolled down on that same site you'd see that.
>>343231854
You're right, I'm so blind. In a game that was famously gimped for AMD cards too
>>343209835
Really now? I really should look into this, I'd love to play some older stuff I missed out on these past couple of years on PC.
>>343230990
Most people like me bought a 970 and are now stuck in buyers remorse mode.
For $200, those are great specs
Which 1070 should I get? EVGA or MSI X
>>343231991
Some sites show it using more than a 970 >>343216142
Some show it using the same and some show it using slightly less than an stock overclocked 970.
It's definitely in the same performance/watt area as maxwell
>>343232124
it costs more than $300 everywhere outside of US tho
It's a shame they haven't fixed their multi monitor idles.
That probably has the biggest effect on me with power bills.
>>343232830
>Lol what's wrong with you Americans? You don't get free healthcare what's wrong with you?
>Why is everything so expensive outside Burgerland! It's not fair
You can't have your cake and eat it too you communist.
>>343225267
are their consumers commies who live off of gubberment checks so they have to get budget 200$ cards in order to pay that month's rent
>>343232830
Basically, yea. It ocsts 295€ in the first store that got it here in portugal and in the same store I can buy the 970 for 330€ on sale right now
Can't wait for custom cards. But is 8GB overkill if I'm just going to game at 1080p? With custom cards already increasing prices I was thinking I offset that by just going 4GB.
>no DVI-D port
>overpriced in every country not named USA
stop shilling this shitbecause I already planned on getting it
>>343233135
For 1080p with not chance of every upgrading, yeah it's overkill. For 1440p gaming and possibly getting a VR headset in the future 8 gigs might be worth the extra 40 bucks.
>>343226459
dont waste your money
buy a $500 card instead of 2 480s
crossfire is a memeon any setupand it actually works "flawlessly" with like 3 or 4 games, the only reason they use it is for epeen benchmarks that have no actual relation to real world gaming
if you do decide to do it, enjoy the black screens, crashes and bugs
>>343233135
>is 8GB overkill if I'm just going to game at 1080p
Resolution doesn't take that much space actually. A few hundred megabytes for each increment. 8GB is a god send for ultra high res textures though. Quantum break and lords of the fallen can take good care of all those GBs. I think Doom uses 5GB of VRAM if you set everything in advanced settings to the absolute maximum (think it's called nightmare option, above ultra)
>>343233089
sooo you get the objectively better card for 35€ less? Sounds good.
Also blame the british. Their selfish anti vidya ways are the reason why the euro is so weak.
>>343233421
It's entirely subjective. It's better in some games and shit in others. Great for quantum break, shit for project cars for instance
>>343207890
Should I get the 970 or wait for the 1060? $300 is my limit
inb4 poorfag
>>343214542
That deal is mediocre. Even if you assume you're getting the 960 for 200, that's still basically 100 for RAM and 240GB of storage.
Yeah it's an SSD, but unless you explicitly want an SSD it's still only 240GB of storage.
Also a 960 is a mediocre card, although not nearly as bad as people say it is. You can run anything with it, just don't expect to max out much.
>>343233001
40 watts is less then a light bulb. where do you live that that would matter?
>>343233284
When 8GB VRAM becomes common you know devs will be lazy shits. $40 for some future proofing is worth it imo
>>343232251
HELP? PLEASE?
>>343233284
Were I to play at 1440p I'd get a better card.
>>343233610
>40 watts is less then a light bulb
Where do you live that lightbulbs still use up 40 watts?
light bulbs are like 10-15watts and an extra 2 or 3 light bulbs on for like 14 hours a day is quite a bit.
>fourth week in july rolls around
>XFX unveils the XFX Dual Dissipation XXX BLACK 1.7GHz 12GB RX 480
>retails for $299
>blows the 1070 out of the water
>blows every other AMD minus the 295x2 out of the water
cant wait to see the novidya drones cry about that too
>>343208709
> $100 more expensive
But that is 1070 msrp. Prices are higher now due to stock shortage and scalping, but 1070 cost is advertised as $375 and that's what it will be after a month or two.
1060 will probably start off $275
>>343233786
i have 70 watt or 100 watt in every socket, this isn't the 20th century. do you enjoy living in the dark?
>>343233547
project cars is sponsored by nvidia hell a 960 is faster than a 390x it's ridiculous.
RX480 is objectively better. Simply because it's newer. The second the 1060 and 1050 arrive nvidia will drop the cripple hammer and the 970 will become slower then the 380. It's like that every time. Also 3.5gb and no proper dx12.
>>343233001
>>343233786
If you're paying in the 12¢/KWh area like most people a single light bulb/moderately inefficient idling GPU is going to cost you a few pennies, even with frequent usage. Your electricity bill hinges almost entirely on your large appliances and heating/cooling.
>>343234032
Get LED lightbulbs or the planet will blow up you stupid fuck
>>343234032
Do they market things differently where you're from or are you actually using incandescents?
Where I am our lightbulbs have their wattage on the front (11watt) and a little bubble saying "60watt equivalent" or 14watt(75watt equivalent)
A 100 watt LED or fluorescent bulb would be as bright as a studio light.
>Bought a 1070 instead of waiting for the Super Perfect We Promise 480
Feels good, man.
>>343230990
Isn't it better than the 970?
>>343234034
Do we have any confirmation that Polaris supports full DX12? All tiers?
>>343234380
it really isn't
>>343233786
That's like what 15cents a day`? At best? I highly doubt you ever had to pay an electricity bill.
>>343229307
>2014 card
>future proof
wtf am I reading??????????
>>343234376
I just did the same thing today.
Lots of people on /g/ did as well. AMD single handedly boosted Nvidia's sales.
>>343234487
But anon, it's objectively superior
>>343234487
omfg.. 970 has quite a lead over 480
>>343234350
>Get LED lightbulbs or the planet will blow up you stupid fuck
>>343234353
incandescents, actual light bulbs. i live in america
i don't use LED or fluorescent light bulbs because i'm not a hippy liberal
>>343234623
The game is sponsered by nvidia and makes heavy use of physx and tesselation
>>343234442
RX480 is literally a pleb tier card, so I wouldn't expect it to support anything above pleb tier.
>>343234623
That's literally the most cherrypicked benchmark out there. Read a review, it's half and half in DX11 for which is better but RX 480 has the clear lead in all DX12 games.
>>343234694
Aren't most games? See that's the problem, AMD doesn't have that many interesting games where it truly shines.
>>343234528
In terms of gaming it definitely is.
>>343234782
I don't play DX12 games because I don't run or ever plan to run win 10. I guess I'll stay with nvidia.
>>343234442
yes it does conservative rasterization and async
>>343234782
Now that's a cherry pick. The game was heavily sponsored by AMD for its async compute abilities. Take a look at Rise of the Tomb Raider. Both 970 and 480 on DX12 run practically the same
>>343234694
amdshill in full damage control
bf4 has no physx and uses moderate tessellation
it's also one of the few games that has mantle that's developed by amd
>>343234638
It's not a liberal thing, it's just a more convenient product. You don't have to replace them 3 times a year.
Also hippies hate fluorescents if it's that important to you since they have mercury in them it toxifies landfills even more than usual.
>>343234807
Can it run good fps on doom, assetto corsa or star citizen with higher settings? I doubt it
>>343234860
Then Vulkan too then whatever. Or are you going to say you don't play on using APIs beyond DX11?
>>343234925
Of course it's a cherry pick that was my point. When you look at games that weren't optimized all to hell the performance is within 1% of each other.
>>343234948
>M9, we've had LED bulbs in our household before, mady by philips I think. They pop just as often as regular, there's no "longevity", it's been all sorted behind closed doors so nothing lasts long.
>>343234638
>I enjoy using inferior products that will eventually cost me more anyway
Okay
>>343234970
Did you even read the reviews? DOOM is one of the benchmarks in just about every one.
>>343234782
>complains about cherrypicking
>posts hitman most shilled and sponsored game by amd
amdcucks are getting really desperate
>>343234984
Vulkan is not even out on wide variety of games yet. Sure I will enjoy vulkan whenever more than 2 games have it, but right now it's nothing to be taken serius.
>>343234782
>480 has the clear lead in all DX12 games.
That's because driver overhead for any other higher level api is horrendous. AMD is pushing DX12 so much for a reason. NVIDIA doesn't need to because both DX11 and OpenGL run wonders
>>343235156
>incandescent
>inferior to LED or fluorescent
how's it feel being poor?
>>343235068
are you really implying bf4 isn't amd optimized when it has mantle? lmao
>>343235237
>but right now it's nothing to be taken serius.
Oh yeah fuck what's clearly going to be one of two APIs used in all future games. You're right
>>343218276
This was patched as nvidia tends to use gameworks to fucking up amd day 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWaE-3Aseg
Meanwhile the 970 is still shit at the highest settings of mirrors edge because of 3.5 gb and that will never ever change
Keep suggesting old tech though
>>343235304
Well was that benchmark running on Mantle artard? Not to mention BF4 in general had shitty optimization all around?
>>343235302
Not him, but we've had some LED lamps by phillips in our house before. They don't last any longer than normal lamp. On the contrary, they seem to last less. Not sure if "phillips" is the problem here, but it goes to show they can play the game regardless the tech.
>>343214542
If you were planning to get an SSD for OS to supplement a hard drive for everything else than it's okay.
>>343234940
Battlefield 4 is effect intensive. It benefits directly from high clock speeds which is why Nvidia does so well.
I've also seen screen shots of BF4 where when running max settings Nvidia is clearly rendering less on screen for ground textures
https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4noipv/nvidia_cheating_on_visual_fidelity/
AMD handles massive amounts of texture detail which is Nvidia's biggest weakness. They optimize games through drivers to increase their performance. The result is great benchmark scores and worse image quality
>>343234487
>>343234556
>cherrypicking benches
Yes it is objectively better. Pic related. Performance rating of 22 games released within the last 3 years. The 970 even with OC is slower while lacking features that would make it future proof (e.g. no meme vram).
>>343217979
480 if you can't go higher. I'm personally waiting for the 490 it should be 300ish or so
>>343235362
>future
>talking about timeline 3-4 years
>"should buy a 2014 gpu so you have something for 3-4 years"
>implying api will be the worst problem and not the lack of processing power for 4k gaming in 3-4 years
keep plebbing m9 .. I'd post a pepe meme for you but I think you already have all of them
>>343235470
>970 and 390 both getting around 85fps
>not optimized
>>343235459
>mirrors edge
damn... nvidiots are missing out big time....
Worth upgrading from 7970?
>>343235609
But RX480 is sauna generator. I don't need an oven.
>>343235792
280x here, I'm not going to.
But I don't play a whole lot of intense new games, so you might want to
>mfw new amd architecture specifically designed for the 14nm process node is slower and less efficient than a shrunk 28nm>16nm process based on a 2.5 year nvidia architecture
>>343235780
I find it ironic since Mirror's Edge was the reason I wanted to go Nvidia for the physx effects
>>343235792
No unless you've been gaming on it for ages and its close to dying. The RX 480 isn't even 50% better in a lot of titles. Some games do run quite better but it all depends on what you want to play
>>343235912
AMD has dropped the ball totally. They better impress people with Zen or else they're doomed. They've been so many generations behind now it's not even funny.
>>343235860
>moving goal posts
Typical nvidiot. If in desperation mode -> change topic.
>>343207890
their allready sold out lol amd lidertally to retarted too stock up enouh card's for everone that wants buy them
>>343235459
>tfw $650 dollar amd card can't play this game at max settings
>tfw fury x owners have to downgrade to a 3xx series card to play this game
this is more of a problem for amd than it is nvidia. at least nvidia's flagship cards can play it at those settings whereas amd's can't.
>>343207890
390 or 480x?
>>343207890
That it didn't come out sooner.
They stockpiled 25x the amount of 1080 cards that nvidia were putting out and most of the cards still sold out almost instantly on every site.
But I'm sure that's just a fluke, right guys?
PC gayman isn't for poor people, Nvidia™ is The Way It's Meant To Be Played.®™
>>343236093
But I already got an oven and sauna. I don't need those inside my computer.
>>343235792
Depends on what you want.
If you do a lot of texture pack mods and shit the VRAM will help, if you want an incremental upgrade for a small price after selling your current card then sure but it's not going to be a revolutionary change.
>>343235912
Nividia took a huge chunk out of its compute unit to save energy.
In return, to gain more performance that dump a truckload of geometric and game specific shit into it in place.
However, these require a huge amount of work to optimize the games, not to mention that anything that require async will have to be done on driver/software level.
This also explain why Nvidia couldn't properly support Kepler GPU and older generation cards as the Maxwell/Pascall eat up most of their resources when it comes to optimization.
If Nvidia come up with a new arch, Maxwell/Pascall will end up with the same fate as its predecessor.
>>343207890
970 -> 1070 is about 55% performance increase.
380 -> 480 is about 40% increase.
Nvidia just further cement the lead. It is good they are doing so well, but it is also bad competition is lacking.
From same pc gamer 15 game average, 480 barely beats 970 and is much closer to it than it is to 980. Which may be fine but at this rate (55% improvement) 1060 will beat both 970, 480, and will be biting on 980 feet.
It may start extra $30 more msrp, but it'll be fair considering performance gain.
>>343235912
>being this dumb
>there are people, RIGHT NOW, ON /v/, who shill for companies FOR FREE
Why do you people do this
No really, why. GPUs do the SAME FUCKING THING just at different performance levels and price range.
It's not even like retarded console wars where at least the products offer a different experience.
>>343236161
RX 480.
AMD improved GCN so that it will perform better in Nvidia gamework title that use heavy tessellation.
Pic related, RotR, Witcher 3 etc all have RX 480 outperform R9 390x.
will this thing xfire better than my 970 SLI ?
>>343236480
no, multi-gpu sux for gaming
>>343234532
It's such a nice fucking card.
>>343236369
>i can't refute someones comment
>let me call them dumb!
shills, everyone.
>>343207890
If you expected this to be anything special you should see doctor and get tested because you probably have a few too many chromosomes.
Nvidia and AMD has completely different target demographics to begin with. AMD's target demographic is poorfags and plebs. comparing the latest AMD card to the latest Nvidia card is pointless. You can deny it all you want but in this world we live in you get what you pay for, simple as that, and if you have the money you buy nvidia, no janky overheating piece of shit Xfire AMD setup.
>>343236345
>970 -> 1070 is about 55% performance increase.
Since when?
>>343236480
No, amd is dropping official dual gpu support too.
Also SLI tends to have better scaling.
Someone fill me in on 4gb vs 8gb
Isn't 8gb complete overkill for 99% of games? Are there any compatability differences between a setup that works for a 4gb card and an 8gb, or are they interchangeable.
>>343236329
you are so misinformed with 90% of what you said it's actually concerning.
pro tip: don't listen to adoredtv, r/amd or even /g/
>>343236692
you just proved its a 56% performance increase with that graph.
>>343236768
Oh please, do point out where I am wrong anon.
>>343213768
>highest mark is 47
nice
>>343236692
>he doesn't know how percentages work.
Listen kid, 100 is 50% greater than 67 but 67 is 33% smaller than 100
>>343207890
By delivering on exactly what they said they would?
Literally the first actual Polaris information AMD released stated that their goal for the architecture was to match 3xx in performance for dirt cheap on a small chip.
>>343236850
anon 100-64 is 46
For fuck sakes, look at this shit! THIS IS WHY EVERYBODY IS SO FUCKING PISSED AT AMD! "something something 2x 480 is better than single 1080" , Well, not for gaming since games not support multi-gpu. WHY THE FUCK COULDN'T THEY JUST HAVE KEPT THEIR MOUTHS SHUT AND LET THE PRESS DO THE REVIEW OF THEIR PRODUCT?
I was getting so tired of nvidia's gameworks as a kepler used (gtx 670), but AMD is clearly leaving me no choice here.. Why the fuck would I want to buy an old product from 2014? Oh its cheaper? I don't give a fuck if it's not new it's not worth putting inside my computer.
>>343236764
8 GB is good for heavy modding, VR and future-proofing (won't help 480 that much probably). In other cases, it's useless, won't give you better performance.
>>343236972
Stay in school, kids
>>343236850
>>343236876
RX 480 > R9 380 in comparison.
I thought he was talking about in relative performance.
Still, 380 to 480 is almost exactly the same as 970 to 1070 based on the same benhc site.
>>343236764
If you play anything with lots of draw distance and tons of shit on screen at any given time, the extra vram is good and keeps the game from turning into a slideshow.
Things like city building games, gta5 and mmos.
>>343236972
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the NEET meme is real. can you not into basic math???
100/64=1.56
=56% percentage difference
holy shit kill yourself.
>>343229719
Darn. I knew I should have said 'budget option' instead of 'poor person option'. Could have had an actual conversation.
Instead:
>He used hyperbole on 4chan
>GET HIM!
>>343236345
970: $329 -> 1070: $450
285: $250 -> 480: $230
Nothing todo with not being capable to fast cards. Different approaches. There is no card currently competing with RX480 in it's pricing bracket. So it is a great opportunty considering most people don't spend more money on gpus
>>343236764
>>343237078
Do take not that 480 only have 32 ROPs, which make it suffer from more performance lost for AA filters especially at a higher res.
Which is why it loses to 390 on 1440p and above on some title.
With RX 480 you can play Witcher 3 max setting minus the AA and Hairwork for 35fps+ average on 4k.
If you're on 1080p, it is actually better to downsample from 1440p than to use AA.
>>343236972
Typical PC cuck lel
>>343207890
My only issues is after market models will be better but more costly which ruins its defining point of affordability. If you're going to spend more on a souped up 480 you might as well spend that money elsewhere. Get a 1070 or possibly wait for the 1060's benchmarks and pricing. If they can keep after markets in the $250 range then it's not so bad but I bet it'll hit close to $300
>>343237049
He was, it's just you dont understand how percentages work.
%reduction is different from %increase even with the same values.
to go back to the early example, you're assuming 100 is 33% bigger than 67 because 67 is 33% smaller than 100 but if you multiply 67 by 1.33 you get 89.
He was working in %increase and you used subtraction to work out a value in the reference frame of %reduction.
This is like grade 7 shit.
>>343219125
I have been using a 660ti for almost 4 years now. Most games run good if you are willing to turn down some graphical settings. The only game to flat out run like shit was the Witcher 3. I am not shilling AMD I am going to wait to see what Nvidia's 1060 has to offer before I make a decision.
Waiting on those 1060 vs 480 benchmarks
>>343237306
$450 is temporary due to stock shortages. 1060 is detailed. AMD did avoid direct competition for a little while, but I don't think this will last long enough to significantly increase their market share, as it doesn't seem like they actually have better offer (when 1060 arrives)
>>343237189
>hurr durr I was only pretending
>>343219125
>RX 480
>Literally outdated shit.
>Nvidia
>Shit itself on DX12.
Newer consoles will use AMD hardware based on a retarded RX 480 architecture, which means that every future console port will run just like Quantum Break on a GTX 1080, and yet it will still outperform the RX480 due to its shitty nature.
You are literally the biggest imbecile if you buy a card this year. Wait for Nvidia to unJust itself and release and actual series capable of Asynch. People buying the Rx 480 are people seeking to break from the shitty boundaries of low-ends-ville and they will be back to square one in 6 months.
I don't know shit about building PCs, is there a place that sells pre-built PCs that are actually no scabbed to shit like Alienware?
What demanding games are even worth playing?
Shit like Far Cry and Crysis are constantly benchmarked but no one actually likes that trash.
>>343237471
Same here but 650Ti.
I don't care about running on ultra I just kinda want 60 FPS in a handful of games on settings that look okay. For that reason I'll probably go with the 480, and I'll probably be good to go with that for several years.
>>343219125
It's going to do fine with future titles. With console gaming around we aren't going to make massive strides in gaming. Currently it just comes down to what resolution do you want it at.
>>343237823
>jUST KEEP WAITING GUYS
>AGAIN
Fuck that
>>343237873
I don't know, i don't even play PC games anymore now they stopped pirating.
>>343237823
volta is out literally next year.
>>343207890
>AMD says it's a $200 budget card that performs mostly at 970 levels
>Shitposters and faggot brand loyalists blow it completely out of proportion
>/g/ nVidia shills try to do as much damage to AMD's name as possibleseriously if you were on /g/ for the past week you'd see how many threads they made just to shit on AMD while trying to shill the 1070/80 it's fucking annoying when /g/'s already a semislow board and their garbage pushes threads off
>Reviews and benchmarks come out showing that it performs about as well as AMD said it would
>Shitposters and gpu war faggots ramp up the shitposting to the max like they always do with every new graphics card that comes out, whether it's AMD or nVidia
This is pretty much par for the course in terms of /v/ reaction. As for the card itself it's pretty much the defacto budget choice due to price alone, but you and I both know that these kind of threads aren't for discussing its actual price or performance but to continue shitposting in circles with no end in sight.
>>343237873
there are no good games worth playing on PC that require a top card, except maybe for the witcher 3 if you're into Visual Novels or the new doom
>>343237826
>I don't know shit about building PCs
So learn, it's easy
>is there a place that sells pre-built PCs that are actually no scabbed to shit like Alienware?
No.
>>343237873
DOOM
That's kinda it
>>343237873
For me personally, I'm still waiting for perfect GPU to work with VR. I've got a steering wheel with 3 pedals right next to me, but to truly play Assetto Corsa it would require 1080 probably. Many people playing it are running 970 or 980 sli I think
>>343238179
Ok, well in that case where should I go to learn and are there any guides out there for good builds?Looking at /v/ argue over different cards is intimidating as fuck because I know nothing about any of them.
>>343238064
No it's not.
And lithography reductions come every 2.5 years now. 1200 series probably wont release until late 2018 or early 2019 assuming we dont get fucked by apple and globalfoundries again.
>>343237663
>being this naiv
nvidia released the card for 450 bucks due to their heatpipe cooling extravaganza saying that AIBs could sell it at 380 MSRP. But thats obviously horseshit. AIBs main selling point are better-than-reference cooling solutions. These cooling solutions will cost more than reference MSRP hence we will never see a 1070/80 lower than the founders edition price.
1060 is already a paper launch. As you said there are already shortages in supply. nvidia can't divert more 16nm chips away from the top end otherwise they will bottleneck themselves to death. That said the $300 dollar version will come with 6gb and the $250 one with 3gb. How will nvidia compete?! 3.5gb cripple ram already bottlenecks their chips.
>>343207890
I admittedly don't know a SHIT TON about graphics cards. I do pretty well in most areas of computing, but I'm just a bit 'laxed here.
The NEO is rumored to be using a modified version of this card. Is that gonna spell disaster or what?...
>>343238078
No it fucking DOESN'T perform as well as they said, because they said 2x RX480 would have same performance as 1x 1080, and not a single fucking benchmark has proven this!!!!
>>343237992
It is not my fault GTX 700 series was the last time Nvidia released a good value product. Even as much as we shit on the 900 series, there is literally no reason to ditch a GTX 970 yet.
>>343237826
Prebuilts anywhere raise prices significantly over the cost of buying individual parts. I don't have a link - maybe if i remember this thread when I go inside - but Dell was selling a $1195 computer on discount for $899 and a further discount down to $500 with a special promo code.
Obviously because they couldn't move it and had to get the stock out the door.
Think about that. They can cut the price over half and still be fine.
mfw I bought a 390x last week for cheap, and people told me the 480 was a better card.
>>343238078
There is literally not a single site selling the fucking 8GB model at $225.
>>343238468
To be fair, you should basically ignore every "2x *card* is as good as *card* for less money!". It's always complete bullshit on both Nvidia and AMD's part. Even if it is true some of the time, it's DEFINITELY not true all of the time, or even most of the time.
>>343238452
no because itll be a custom apu
>>343238695
I don't think anybody ever said the 480 would be better than 390x, only 380 and 380x
>>343237823
I was thinking since 480 becomes the standard for games, console or not, then it is worth buying.
>>343238369
I wouldn't bet on that. I was reading somewhere that they might release Volta a year early because of the whole DX12 fiasco. Apparently Volta is already finalized and ready for production but they decided to release Pascal in the meantime for some reason. Maybe it was because they wanted to wait for the 16nm process to mature for a bit longer. If you even check Nvidia's roadmap from when they released Maxwell there wasn't even any Pascal labeled on there, it went from Maxwell straight to Volta so Pascal is blatantly a stopgap for some reason.
>>343238841
AMD fanboys are downplaying it now, but they were playing this card up to no end.
>>343238468
here's one
>>343238701
If they can't back up their claims, they should literally just stfu. Big part of the problem is
1. 2x 480 doesn't equal a single 1080
2. 480 consumes significantly more power than AMD let us believe
There's absolutely no excuse for this shit.
>>343235912
>>343235912
>>343235912
This fucking guy nailed it, internet has been so full of AMD guys saying "oh but Amd perfected GCN for dx12 from the beginning, that's why their older cards shine on it" sort of BS like "ohhh but they've been working on this 14nm stuff longer than nvidia, they'll have the advantage" then THIS happens! If this isn't a clear fucking BTFO, I don't know what the hell is.
>>343238928
They really were.
>>343238928
>shitposters are downplaying it now, but they were playing this card up to no end.
isn't that always the case
>>343238841
this was being spammed on /g/ for 2 weeks straight
>>343238468
I was about to post AoTs benchmark but you are probably going
>hurr durr AMD sponsored
>hurr durr shitty game
>hurr durr implying I'll install windows 10 for dx12
so I won't
>>343238928
Its funny how wrong you are
>>343238931
>cod
>>343239038
>Artificial benchmark in some gook language nobody on /v/ knows
>Using actual /g/ bait shitposting material as valid evidence
okay
>>343239047
Why would AoTs benchmarks matter when absolutely nobody on this thread plays it?
>>343238901
Volta was renamed to pascal and the volta name carried on to their next chip is all that happened there.
And gpu and cpu architectures are always planned years in advance.
I doubt they'll do another skip so soon after the 800/900 series and frankly AMD has been more threateningly competitive before (fermi) and nvidia just did a rebrand release in response
>>343239120
>a point is irrelevant just because i dont like the game
nice strawman
>>343239297
look here >>343239420
>>343210190
AMD's investigating the claims, but so far it's looking like a couple reviewers are pulling some funny bullshit to get these results.
e.g. shills shilling
>>343239479
Do you play CoD or AoTs? Because why else would it matter if nobody plays those games??? I want benchmarks on games I play, like GTA 5 or Doom. Heck maybe even Witcher 3
>>343239265
you don't seem to understand the situation. people actually believed this. there were all the wccftech rumors coming out daily about how the 480 will be an overclockers dream and hit 1600 mhz on air and then there were a bunch of those review tweets which were telling people to sell their 980's and 390'x for something "big" coming out. all of these contributed to the overhype of this card, which we now knows is very mediocre. i'm personally very disappointed.
>>343239408
No, Volta were not renamed as Pascall.
In the older roadmap Pascall does not exist, it was until earlier this year that they added Pascall in their roadmap.
>>343225267
>#betterred
they may as well come out and say they support lgbt, strict gun laws, and obamacare.
>>343239535
There's obviously something wrong with some of the sample the reviewers get.
Some site reported a much, much lower TDP draw than others did.
I don't get what's bad about it. It's a piece of shit card made for poor people who can't afford nvidia and does relatively well despite being cheap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GdfDCq86Gk
>>343233994
1060 - 200USD
1060Ti (if it exists) - 300USD
1070 - 400USD
>>343239535
AMD investigating? More like AMD is just full of shit. If their Zen turns out this bad, they're fucking done.
>>343239562
>only games I play are games that matter
underageb&
>>343239408
>And gpu and cpu architectures are always planned years in advance.
yes, and they could be waiting out for the 16nm to mature before they release volta. maxwell was a very very good architecture for dx11 and they obviously believe they can do with it for another year (pascal) before they need to release volta alongside dx12 becoming mainstream, which is predicted to be end of 2017.
>>343238870
You are not taking into account that console ports inherently take twice as many resources on PC. Ubishit has stated they do not bother to optimize their games, so shit like Unity, Syndicate, and The Division happen, shit like Arkham Knight happen. For some reason console devs estimate that the average PC gamer has hardware that is twice as good as a console, the thing is that Nvidia current cards can only simulate Asynch, and Rx 480 is a as far AMD goes. It is going to be like when the Xbox 360 launched next year, it was the most powerful gaming device for a while, except this time we are on an artificial environment in which everyone is gimped due to some real bullshit.
Might as well just buy a console, there are literally no good pc games on the horizon that you cannot already run with a GTX 900 series or R9380. You wont escape the sub 60 FPS cap with any of these when new games come around.
>>343239420
It's not because nobody plays it, it's because it's a glorified AMD tech demo that benchmarks unfairly.
When passmark benchmarks get brought up and Nvidia holds the top 10 spots
>passmark runs better on nvidia cards, it's not a good benchmark
nobody bats an eye.
>>343239562
Not that guy but on Witcher 3 and GTAV a 480cf comes really close in 4k, and would prolly beat 1080 if both of them didn't use AA.
DOOM crossfire support should come with huge Vulkan patch, so we don't know how good it perform till then.
>hurr durr the 480 is gonna be a 1080ti killer for 200 bucks!
did anyone actually think this?
>>343236730
LOO
>>343239825
It's consumer's money, better have games that matter or else it's money wasted.
Say if someone is FPS player, the card tanked on every fucking FPS game on the market, would you say "ooh but you see, this card bretty good on RTS" ???
This isn't anime or pirated games, this is money, there needs to be a reason to part with that money.
>>343239976
You did, asswipe.
Don't even lie.
>If i jump on the nvidia bandwagon no one will call me a retard
You are one hell of a turncoat retard.
>>343239781
Already has been leaked there is only a 1060 which comes in two flavors: 3gb and 6gb. $20 ad $300 respectively
>>343239776
because its only cheap in the usa. across a lot of europe including the uk where i am, the 480 is more expensive.
>>343240093
eat my ass gay faggot baby
>>343239646
It comes out at exactly the same performance bracket they said old volta would be at.
if you want a ~22gflops/watt volta you have one and it's available now!
>>343240190
>USA doesn't count because I'm a shitty eurosuck
okay
>>343217649
>what consequences does this power overdraw on the PCIe slot (if i understand it correctly) actually have for me and my hardware?
None, because it doesn't exist.
It's a couple cherrypicked examples coming from one or two reviewers while everyone else isn't finding the same issue.
So they either got bad cards, or they're trying to shill. AMD's looking into it anyways, but their card meets the PCIe spec in every case but those two reviews.
It's pushed so much around here because nvidia shilling and fanboys.
In any case you shouldn't buy the reference 480 anyways - you'll be able to get 1400-1600mhz overclocks on aftermarket 6+8 pin 480's within a couple weeks or months, and the performance of it looks like it'll be hitting 980 levels or better.
>>343239976
But a 480 in crossfire does kill the 1080 for less cost.
Literally AMDomination
>>343239976
>is it 970 killer?
>no I think it's somewhere 280 / 380 ballpark
>no actually i think this is 980 territory
>really? yeah it could be, I mean it's not like that card is already old af and there's even 980 Ti
>you know what, screw this. This card is going to be pretty close to a 1070 performance
>you mean like couple of frames lower than 1070?
>yeah
>ok, sounds good
So are the roles reversed now, AMD explodes into flames and Nvidia has no drivers (see: the embarassing driver ordeal with games like GTAV and Division)?
>>343239897
Maybe if I play at1050p
The AMD meme is real
>>343240247
It still doesn't make Pascall a renamed Volta.
Volta still exist and it is expected to have a major architecture improvement over Maxwell generation.
Pascall is just a die shrink Maxwell with some tweak for VR performance.
>>343239929
Aots is better on amd because it uses dx12 and nvidia can't do dx12. That said passmark is a compute benchmark while AoTs is an actual game. Passmark has no predicate on gaming performance even if it was fairly balanced unlike AoTs
>>343239562
here's the bitcher
>>343240378
Nvidia has taken the Intel position: why bother making drivers when the competition is not even trying? Same intel, they're not releasing any cheap 8-10 core HT processors because AMD is not even close to that performance. The 6800 etc are all going to be expensive af, even 5960x is.
>>343240263
>europe doesn't count because I'm a shitty amerifat
okay
Am I the only here who hates this scenario?
You either go with AMD Rx 480 which is already kind of obsolete and has a lot of issues or with Nvidia which cannot go into DX12 games...and every single fucking release that matters next year uses Dx12.
It is like we are about to get rekt by a series of console ports, until Nvidia figures out how to add real Asynch. I don't want to spend $399 + whatever for a slightly better experience than a console, or less than it for a slightly inferior experience.
I might rather just buy a PS4 Neo.
It is like Vive vs Oculus, despite all the discussion, they are both just garbage right now.
>>343214993
They won't liquidate AMD calm down. Otherwise, they'll have to deal with the creation of two monopolies on both the x86 CPU front and the discreit GPU front.
At most, they'll just pester AMD into adding a 8 pin connector to the RX 480.
>>343240570
>af
get out
>>343240684
whats wrong with anisotropic filtering?
>>343240232
Why would I eat your gay faggot baby ass?
>>343240458
die shrinks don't do what they used to for performance.
Ask intel how they're doing when their 14nm tech is only 25% faster than a 32nm processor from 5 years ago.
Pascal is a decent improvement over maxwell.
>>343240621
>issues
Like what? It does what they said it will do.
>>343240621
If these companies come up with some HBM2 love for end of the year, maybe we will finally start seeing some really good cards. The wait is painful though.
>>343240570
Christ are you a professional spin doctor?
>>343240747
Don't judge the 14-16nm era by these hasty first productions. When AMD and Nvidia get's HBM2 out of the oven, it should be 1.5X the 1070 performance, maybe even run circles 1080.. but it's matter of time when such card will be released.
>>343240747
still doing better thread performance wise with the haswell i5s from 3 years ago than anything amd has made in the past 5 years
>>343240747
>comparing a cpu die shrink to gpu die shrink
i'm not the most knowledgeable person on this but even then i still know that you can't really compare them concerning linear performance.
>>343240621
Wait untill Vega 10 comes out.
Besides, anyone who uses a single 480 will be outclassed by a console in one and a half years.
>>343240769
Crazy temps
Power usage is a flatout lie
Shitty stock fan
I mean if you are upgrading from a rock it is alright. If you bought a card in the last 3 years why would you even buy it? The only hot meme right now is VR, and it sucks. It cannot max out CURRENT YEAR games either. Expect newer console games to run on low - mid settings next year.
>>343240784
You have to be uninformed to think Intel has had any problem with AMD. Ever since core 2 duo era, they've fucking ran circles over AMD. That's a good 10 fucking years already.
>>343234380
Yeah, slightly better to significantly better performance in most titles. There's a couple where it does much worse, but that's mostly because of gameworks, and in counterpoint there are also a couple games where it's beating 980's.
And this is with release day drivers when AMD cards historically improve performance over time.
And with the aftermarket cards and 6+8pin options coming soon, it looks like it'll be decent at overclocking.
2x RX480's in crossfire are also beating single GTX1080's in actual games, not just benchmarks.
>>343240621
Welcome to 2010.
Fermi vs hd5000 series was like the retard's rumble. AMD had significantly better perf/watt but their in game performance was all over the place with game fix drivers being months late.
And nvidia's cards were barely faster than their last gen 55nm cards while overclocked to egg frier levels.
>>343208709
>1060 will cost 300 if not 400
>AHAHAH REKT !
i fucking hate summer
>>343241145
>1070 is $380
>1060 will somehow be more expensive
hey, I hate summer too
>>343241058
Three of which can be fixed by getting aftermarket cards instead. Other than that it performs well within the range of the 970 and 980 in most games, which is pretty much what they were going for.
>>343241145
>1060 will cost 300 if not 400
>1060 will cost more than the msrp of the 1070
>nvidia will sell there mainstream card for more than their high end card
i can't tell if you're trolling or just flat out stupid.
>>343240932
I dont see what's wrong with pascal as is.
It's almost double the performance of maxwell with roughly the same TDP.
>>343241221
>>343241281
1070 cost 500 fucking dollars morons
>>343241058
>It cannot max out CURRENT YEAR games either.
IIRC benchmarks show it does things well at 1080 but not at 1440 and I'm sure those setting were pretty maxed.
>>343241353
Not even 1080 can run stable 60fps 4k on more demanding games. Thus no 4k gaming or VR gaming for time being.
>>343241397
>he can't grasp the simple understanding of msrp
and you're the one going on about summer. ironic.
get out.
>290x releases to compete with the 780
>2.5 years afterwards, half a year after the 980ti is released, the same 290x blows the 780, 780ti, 970, 980 and 980ti out of the water
can't wait for under 3 years when my $250 RX480 beats the 1080 in every benchmark
>>343241609
>290X beats out the 980ti
lol
>>343241268
Chances are aftermarket cards will cost more since they have to fix AMD shit with better heatsinks, and fans. If you add OC to that, the power usage might go way up.
Meanwhile you can buy right now a refurbished 980 for $300 without having to wait for aftermarket cards.
AMD bullshit their way in again, making people believe they for once released a good product.
It is not really cheap, power efficient, or capable. It is AMD, a fucking disappointment once more.
>>343241529
Do you know what MSRP stands for?
>>343241482
yes it fucking does gay faggot nvidia cards are literally the best and can do everything i do 4k vr with my 1080 every day ure just gay and stupid if ure's cant!
>>343241609
>the same 290x blows the 780, 780ti, 970, 980 and 980ti out of the water
see >>343237049
how is it blowing anything out of the water
>>343241058
>It cannot max out CURRENT YEAR games
Depends on the resolution, it's aimed at 1080p but can handle 1440p at most
>>343241482
I guess I just think asking for more than double the perf/watt is a bit unreasonable. I dont think even kepler managed that and it was coming off fermi.
>>343241058
temps and fan are the same "issue". It makes the card cheaper- If you don't like it just grab an AIB card. Also the stock cooler isn't great but it does the job. Why do you think nvidia uses a heatpipe cooler as stock?! because they have the same fucking issues. Higher transistor packaging density generates heat more quickly.
How is the power usage a lie?
>>343241825
sorry I dont use gook currencies
>>343241609
So you're saying this is better card to buy than 480??
>>343241825
>claims "1070 cost 500 fucking dollars morons"
>posts in euros
dollars =/= euros
amd shill logic, everyone.
>>343241930
jesus christ, fuck no. don't
>>343241703
>refurbished
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there with your arguments.
