>Per reports from Twitter (as translated by Cheesemeister), Shigeru Miyamoto said the company was "researching VR" so it has "the core technology."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/29/nintendo-confirms-vr-research
>tfw when everyone is buying into the VR meme
>tfw it's motion controls all over again
They said they will not do it unless they can make the VR affordable and have a longer play time
So never
>>343185614
Yeah but with Nintendo you know it will be a quality experience. I mean nintenoland and splatoon show that their motion control tech is top notch
>>343185465
>we won't release info on the NX in case someone tries to copy us
>lol we copied the whole thing in the first place
>>343185465
Guys don't blow a fuse. They handwaved the question mainly, they just said they have VR kits for research purposes. Their main concern is that VR as it is now, doesn't suit their image, cuz prolonged use is a no-go and it's fairly uncomfortable and expensive
Miyamoto also said he tried VR at E3 and it "wasn't what he expected".
>>343185465
Vr Pokemon
NINTENDO YES
>>343185869
>Yeah but with Nintendo you know it will be a quality experience.
See: Skyward Sword
>We're worried about imitators if we release info too early
What did he mean by this?
>>343186479
They have nothing
>>343186479
He means Sony copies a lot of their shit.
VR is only good for horror game genre.
No other genre works.
>>343185465
I'll give a fuck when they research what people actually want, or maybe research how not to be a completely out of touch failure. Maybe researching how to make a decent selling console? Nah, let's research VR instead.
>>343187525
>I don't know how much power a console need to run VR
If it supports VR, it's gonna be as powerful or more than PS4Neo. No one cares about the VR, its the fact that they will have to make it powerful to even support VR that's more interesting.
>>343187525
>low-wage fatherless pleb crying about a statement without context or understanding
>>343187346
anon, you've clearly never used VR before
>>343186479
Everyone releasing sets jumped the gun way too early
>>343187814
and clearly neither have you.
>>343187525
Step 1 in making a decent selling console: Realise that gaming is cool and "in", and market the console accordingly.
>the nx is a vr headset
Nintendo is fucking finished. Fuck. Why is everyone buying into the VR meme?
>>343187346
Flight Sims or Sims in general. Gang-rape mmo. Waifu rpg
You just have no imagination.
>>343185465
its clearly vr mario 64 since its the only thing nx can run XDDD
>>343188008
why would NX be a VR device
>>343187714
They didn't say it supports it though, just that they researched it. Probably found out you'd need something stronger than a Wii U without the pad (NX) and just scrapped it all together.
>>343186179
But splatoon is a more recent game than ss
>>343188008
a VR headset isnt gimmicky enough for nintendo
they want to do some retarded gimmick that no one else has done before
>>343187525
Nintendont status: BTFO
>>343188442
Like thumbs sticks, shoulder buttons, multiple directional inputs on one controller, rumble, VR.
>>343186179
>tfw you pinched a nerve in your shoulder fighting the final mini-boss, right before taking on the final boss
>>343185614
It's worse than motion controls by far. This is virtual boy all over again.
>>343186479
The NX is some kind of handheld/console hybrid. The handheld will most likely play Wii / Wii U tier games while the NX console will look significantly better.
it would be a great way to show the difference in visual quality between their previous consoles and their movdern tech, and it means they wouldn't have to abandon the gamepad they spent so much R&D on
>>343186179
>See: Skyward Sword
A good game, yes.
>>343189029
I don't get it myself. It's like when movies tried to pander to 3d hard. Games are just going to do that waving hand in front of the screen shit for a reaction. Maybe it'd be cool when VR becomes like a holodeck but as of now it just seems like wearing a tv on your head. You could just sit real close to your current tv to get that sort of experience.
>>343189109
That's not proven anywhere though. People just assume that. For all we know the NX is just a Wii U without the pad, a little more RAM and overclocked.
too little too late
>>343189305
So you haven't tried an actual VR headset then.
>>343187346
Skyrim-style exploring games
Racing/trucking simulators
Deep sea exploring games
Porn simulators
>>343185465
>Nintendo looking into failed gimmick
nice knowing u Nintendo, rip in piece
VR will never pick while the companies are too busy competing for the most sales and not dealing with basic issues that have been there since the earliest VR units like motion sickness and headaches.
>>343188071
Fuck sims, I'mcautiouslyhype for Ace Combat 7
Fuck yes I am so ready for Virtual Boy 2.
>>343189831
the problem is the affordability of good displays for VR goggles at a price people are williing to pay and isn't so shitty in color/resolution/response time that our body recognizes it as off
let people subsidize the development of better tech and hopefully in 10-30 years it's worth it
>>343189305
>That's not proven anywhere though
patents have already been confirmed in numerous ways, zelda is listed for cartridges, and they are scared of people copying the NX. which means it does something Sony and MS consoles don't do.
they won't throw away their wii u audience either. the NX will obviously keep a gamepad type controller so that they can have some backwards compatibility and re-releases.
honestly as soon as I saw the Sheikah Tablet i knew nx would also have a gamepad. since that game is a simultaneous release on both machines, they'll obviously play relatively the same.
>>343190145
>patents
MC DONALDS!
>>343190854
your sarcasm would make sense if (as i said) many of their patents have already been all but confirmed outright from miyamoto's mouth
>>343190145
the tablet isn't confirmation that the NX will use a similar gamepad, aonuma stated the game is entirely playable with the pro controller and also said the tablet gamepad itself was very distracting
>>343185614
This.
>>343191690
>also said the tablet gamepad itself was very distracting
THEN WHY THE FUCK DID THEY MAKE IT A CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANIC
HOW THE *FUCK* DOES THAT MAKE SENSE AONUMA?
>>343190994
>Mayomoto
>Listening to anything one of the cancers at Nintendo has to say, ever.
>>343191831
you have it backwards, bro. they all listen to him. his underlings practically treat his word as gospel. read any iwata asks, they literally can't stop slurping on miyamoto's dick over how great his legacy is and blah blah
miyamoto himself has even commented on it, he has started asking other devs to pretend like "Miyamoto-san" isn't involved with any projects from now on, cuz he wants them to function on their own so that if he does retire, they won't run around flailing (like they did when Iwata died)
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/03/miyamoto_discusses_retirement_in_recent_interview
>>343191776
I don't think it's a core gameplay mechanic, though. From the clips I saw, you aren't using the tablet screen when you activate the Sheikah slate, just the analog sticks.
>>343186179
SS is good, the problem is that retards swing the control randomly like retards (see >>343191724) instead of learning from Link's movements and moving like you have a sword, not a brush
>>343192234
>I don't think it's a core gameplay mechanic
the sheikah tablet is literally the first fucking thing you receive. in-game it is, for all intents and purposes, a magic ipad that link uses for everything.
>>343192353
Right, but the player doesnt use it at all, all info is displayed on the TV.
And when he mentions the problem with 2Screen gaming om Wii U, he means simultaneous, which is can be cumbersome.
>>343192863
well you are free to think they won't use a gamepad but at the same time, thanks to blessed free speech, i can think you're an idiot for believing they would just give up on the gamepad when they've already poured so much money and R&D into the damn thing
Reggie has already commented that they don't think VR is mainstream and that Nintendo isn't ready to engage. The gimmick will be something else.
The cartridge talk is insanity, IMO, you can make a blu ray disk for six cents physically on large orders, combine that with packaging and you're at about a quarter. that leaves a lot of margin at $60 for distribution, the console owner, the publisher/developer, and the store selling the game. cartridges will cost several dollars in direct manufacturing cost alone. the rumor that the carts may be sold for $60/store three games and the games for $20 is even dumber. Here's why:
The rumor is that a blank cartridge holding three games will be $60 with games being $20 each, or an average price of $40 a game. That's not so bad, right? Well, not so much.
1) Let's assume Nintendo combines the distribution and cost of goods ($4 for a disk based game + $7 royalties) and takes $10, or across three game cartridge (apples to apples) $30. This is probably about right since you'll ship one cart to three games, but cartridges are SUBSTANTIALLY more expensive than disks (disks themselves get down to around 6 cents for a dual layer blu ray in a large run now; N64 carts were often $35/each direct billing cost from Nintendo and held a single game). If Nintendo charges $20 for the cart, leaving $40 for the retailer's margin, then Nintendo makes $20, vs the $21 they'd make on a typical platform royalty - and Nintendo normally doesn't have to pay for the cost of the media either, but let's assume they do and take a lower margin. The retailer gets $40 on the cartridge, or $13 a game. This is smaller than the margin they get on disk based games ($15 each/$45 three games).
2) OK, where does that leave the other half of the value equation - the game itself? Publishers are used to getting about $27 for games. Let's say Nintendo surrenders the entirety of the game purchase price to the publisher, taking no cut. $20 - much less than the $27 now.
Companies "research" shit all the time you shitposting fucknuggets, this doesn't mean anything.
>>343193050
it has already been confirmed that you can play the entire game with a pro controller
>>343188008
as it gets harder to show technological advancements with graphics
everyone is doing vr in a vain attempt to hide how stagnant gaming is
Here comes dat boi
>>343193160
See taking a very tiny amount of money from publishers would be a good way to get third parties back on their consoles. Obviously it wouldn't completely fix it or anything, and they'd still shy away from them because third parties are retarded and think launching games on Nintendo systems during big titles like Smash is a good idea, but it'd be a start.
Still since they're going for a toaster gimmick box again, third parties are a moot point.
>>343193384
It's only stagnant because companies want to push niche genres out like horror or in Nintendos case franchises like Metroid, because they don't rake in shit tons of money. If companies knew how to budget money and give dedicated fanbases what they want without fucking with the formula too much things would be fine. Yet everything HAS to be a CoD or something because hurr.
>>343193347
as a controller option, yes, and you can also play lots of other gamepad enabled games with a pro controller
but all he means is that you can play like how the old games were, where you have to do all the menu shit manually on the TV screen.
like yes, the option is there, but it is just an option. obviously the game is being made assuming you will use the gamepad for the sheikah tablet. and if it uses the gamepad in one version, they aren't going to gimp the NX version by not having access to gamepad features retard
>>343193160 here
Now think about Gamestop and other stores that sell used video games, Gamestop is the main brick & mortar store. They have to plug in this kiosk to download games. If they get no cut they're going to be pissed, especially since there's nothing to prevent someone from buying a blank cart at one store and then downloading the game at theirs and they pay for the electricity to run this kiosk (assuming nintendo provides the download kiosk for free, another cost). Forgetting to mention that this will also likely kill the used game market - even if nintendo doesn't DRM the thing, how do you price a cart that has multiple disparate games? The price of the most expensive singular game on it? People aren't going to be able to readily get games below $40 which will kill sales and picking up older titles cheap, the price floor for a game would be the price of the cheapest cart divided by three plus the lowest price. Nintendo is going to control kiosk pricing (and direct download pricing) so even if you got a cart for half off and a game for $5 you're still talking about a price floor of $15 per game combined when older disk based games can get to $5 new in shrink wrap (less for used) and again, totally at the control of nintendo.
If the game price is instead $30-$40, that leaves more margin for everyone. At $30, we can give the publisher another $7 so they meet their margin on other systems, and we can give the store $2, almost making the retailer whole. Then this leaves Nintendo holding the bag with just $11/game on the cart purchase and being liable for the cost of manufacture of a much more expensive cart.
At $40, we can give Nintendo a decent amount of money to absorb the cost of the cart manufacture- but then it's $60, undiscounted games. And we run in the used game sale scenario I described before - how do you fairly price a combo of three totally different games for used sale, someone might only be interested in one.
>>343193160
>N64 carts were often $35/each direct billing cost from Nintendo
You have to keep in mind that N64 carts were more of an extension of the motherboard rather than just a cart holding memory of the game only.
I think we'll see carts similar to the DS/3DS being read only memory which would be substantially cheaper than $35. Probably $4 or 5 per cart, but you're still right about it being more expensive than discs.
With the sizes of games growing dramatically and amount of mandatory installs needed just to run a game from a disc nowadays, I think carts would be better suited for the future.
>>343186479
Just Nintendo's typical delusions thinking anyone at Sony or Microsoft gives a flying fuck about what they're doing.
>>343185465
The GameCube was intended to have a VR headset of some kind. That's what the digital out on the early run units was for.
>>343187346
Have you played a space sim with it? I have. It's basically everything I've ever wanted from video games.
Now we just need to find a way to retrofit Freespace 2 with Vive support.
>>343193546
>See taking a very tiny amount of money from publishers would be a good way to get third parties back on their consoles
The problem is that the publishers traditionally pick up the cost of manufacturing for a disk and distributing it, but this is relatively cheap (about $4). Nintendo is selling the cartridge, you can't tell if they'll buy all first party games, or two first party + 1 EA, or 2 EA + 1 ubisoft, etc.. you can't give the retailer a cut of the cart. Even if you could by holding the money aside later, you're fucking with the retailer and Nintendo's margins even WORSE at this point. With Nintendo + the retailer picking up the cost (and profit) from the distribution + manufacturing aspects, and both of those being far more expensive, then the retailer is just left with the sale cost of the game. You're also forcing users who buy the cart to essentially pay part of the cost of the game up front, since if they buy a cart for $60 and then buy one game at $20-$40, the consumer paid $80-$100 of the game.
If we discard third parties again we're going down the road of the Wii U again for disaster.
>>343186138
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>>343194086
Where'd the extra 20-40 come from?
>>343193745
We have to consider whether or Nintendo is going to cater to third parties at all. If they refuse, then we're going down Wii U road again. If they do, then they have to consider all costs and shares for everyone.
If the carts are read only memory then it throws out the idea of the kiosks that allow users to download games, doesn't inhibit resale of games at all (Unless they tie some DRM aspect into it, look how that turned out to the original Xbone plans). Now rather than less for a dollar for dual layer blu ray (about six cents for the disk, less than a dollar with the packaging factored in) carts find it hard to compete. If we discard the idea, and go with your idea, let's say Nintendo can get, package, and price the carts for around HALF of what a good 32GB MicroSD can do (Dual layer blu rays can do 50GB but let's assume Nintendo is always making the max size smaller) including warranty. That's $5. Then there's packaging and distribution, about another $4. Let's say Nintendo cuts the platform royalty from $7 to $5, since the carts cost more and they'll likely make money off that by being the only source to buy them from. That's $5 + $4 + $5 = $14 minimum base cost to just have the cart reach a store and give nintendo a cut. Then we assume return cost remains the same to disk based games at $7 (it likely wouldn't especially for defective/nonworking carts, since you have to charge the cost of a replacement cart plus the return to the user). Again, about $21 with the cost of returns factored in ($14 for cost of goods sold + distribution + platform royalty at a discount).
Then we have to get everyone a margin. Let's assume we don't piss off gamestop by cutting the retailer margin, or else they have incentive to marginalize Nintendo games vs the competition. $15 + $21 = $36. If we price the game at $60, $60 - $36 = $24 - or 12% less profit per game at full retail price.
>>343194665
So bearing in mind the earlier, what happened here.
>Nintendo's margins were largely intact - maybe $1-$2 less between the platform royalty and cost of the cart, not including the cost of warrantying bad carts
>The retailer's margins were left intact in order to avoid a retailer favoring one console heavily over the other
>The publisher lost 12% on their margin at full price, this grows worse as games are discounted since the base cost of the platform royalty + cost of cart manufacture is higher
>it does nothing to control the used game resale market, and if they tried - look what happened to the Xbone
The idea of a cartridge sans "fill the cart yourself" is a lot more realistic than the idea of carts and kiosks to fill one cart with three games, but at its core, it leaves the publisher and retailers at the mercy of cart manufacture with a much longer lead time than disk manufacture for unexpected demand and just generally higher costs.
Let's assume at $5 that Nintendo can get about 50MB/s read speeds (vs 27MB/s on a Blu-Ray). You get faster load times, but most crossplat games are going to be designed against this via hard drive install anyways. If you do a hard drive/sysnand based install of the game anyways you could achieve better combined throughput but a lot of existing games on the PS4/Xbone control load times well already... and with the popularity of those platforms and likely backcompat on the next gen of them, people are less likely to switch.
Let's review some history:
>N64 vs PS1
PS1 can hold much more on a game, carts nightmarishly expensive for N64 and hold little, publishers greatly favor PS1
>Gamecube vs. PS2 vs. Xbone
PS2 gets a headstart and can play DVD movies, Gamecube uses odd little 1.5GB disks while the Xbone and PS2 can use 9.8GB dual layer DVDs making game ports harder.
>>343195182 here
>Wii vs 360 vs PS3
Sony picks Blu-Ray while 360 + Wii back dual layer DVD, with reduced graphics you don't really need the dual layer for most games and it sells like hotcakes, most everybody has a DVD player at this point so the fact that the Wii won't play DVDs directly matters less
>Wii U
Picks the "Wii U Optical Disk" which is standard size but capped at 25GB, similar power to Xbone and PS3, makes ports harder again. Late to the game vs. similarly powered 360 and PS3 and weaker than the Xbone and PS4 that came out just after.
Every time Nintendo tries to play special snowflake on the storage medium they get spanked, every time. With carts they could up the max capacity over time by buying larger capacities of storage on the carts as prices fall but the carts themselves are fundamentally more expensive. I just don't see a winning scenario for Nintendo here given all the disadvantages of carts and the fact that hard drive install + disk read speed is already what the much more established Xbone + PS4 platforms are using.
>>343195506
Disks on Xbone and PS4 are just for DRM.
The game just install on your HD. Also microsoft needs pay royalties to sony for making use of BD media drive.
WiiU disks are made by panasonic and WiiU lacks of BD media player.
They do it for cutting budget.
>>343196046
Well, yes and no. The Blu-ray tech itself can be used without royalty payment. However, once you use it for movies and such then you have to pay a royalty to the DVD Association for use of their video codec.
Nintendo gets a pass on this because their system doesn't play video discs, only game discs.
>>343185465
I'm pretty sure they looked into it and already directly said they wouldn't be using it. This is just bait.
>>343196531
It would be cool to see a rudimentary application of this used in New 3DS titles since the front facing camera can detect head placement to render the 3D field in the proper direction.
So technically you could pan your head around slightly and get somewhat of a window effect.
Nintendo are retarded though and this will never happen even though the tech is already in place.
>>343196531
Nintedo is the only one that didn't jump on VR bandwagon.
Also VR is a new tecnology and expensive as fuck, stuff can cost up to 600+ dollars easy, unlike motion controls, a Single wiimote can cost like 30-40 dollars new.
I think they are waiting stuff get cheaper and better.
>underpowered
>home/mobile hybrid
>cartridges
>vr with no hardware to back it up
>only ubisoft is openly supporting it but only with just dance
why
please nintendo
why can't you make another fucking gamecube
>>343197273
>Nintendo makes something new
>WE JUST WANTED THE OLD STUFF
>Nintendo makes something like the old times
>REHASH
You'll never be satisfied
>>343185465
Would you play a Princess Zelda wife simulator? If nintendo made a VR?
>>343197534
>nintendo keeps riding gimmicks in hopes of recreating the wii's success
>WE JUST WANTED THE OLD STUFF
>nintendo lazily shits out the millionth' mario party and doesn't even give enough of a fuck to create unique cover art
>REHASH
fixed
>>343185869
Agree
Quality products like Chibi Robo Zip Lash, Paper Jam, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Amiibo Festival or HHD are only made by Nintendo
Let's not forget about the amazing sales on eShop!
>>343185465
VIRTUAL BOY NX CONFIRMED
>>343197946
>being so desperate to complain that you have to pretend a picture on a box is problematic
jesus christ you people get triggered easier than feminists
>>343193552
>assuming you will use the gamepad for the sheikah tablet
From the gameplay videos they've released, it doesn't seem to take advantage of much besides the gyro.
>>343198039
People who deny Nintendo has been shitting out shovelware as of late are delusional. They slap their IP name on something and expect people to bend over backwards to pay top dollar regardless of garbage it really is, especially compared to what these franchises used to be like. I'm not giving Nintendo a pass for shitting on their franchises and nobody else should either. Their ching chong shit stinks like everyone elses.
>>343198456
here's the art for the next mario party
don't call it lazy or i'll say you're triggered :^)
>>343198826
Gyro shit better be optional because I hate using it for anything.
>>343198826
i don't know why people are so determined to rule out the handheld/console hybrid thing for NX. everything points to it, and design-wise it makes perfect sense for nintendo to do.
>>343197273
Because the Gamecube fucking sucked
>>343185614
>VR is a meme
When will this retardation stop? VR is at its early stages and something that will continue to develop. To think that it's just a "Fad" is as fucking stupid as the tards that thought that "TV" was just a fad back when it first came. It still probably needs a decade or two before it becomes actually good though.
>>343186479
Considering the fact that they revealed Wii and Wii U on past E3 means that what they have in mind this time is something that they have strong faith in, something that they are certain will be big.
What it is and if it'll actually be that big and revolutionary is uncertain though. It's certainly curious though.
>Motion controls
>3D
>VR
Why?
Did people actually buy nintendo products after the Gamecube?
>>343198958
>implying a throwback to the Mario cartoons wouldn't sell gangbusters
>>343195182
>Nintendo can get about 50MB/s read speeds (vs 27MB/s on a Blu-ray).
The other consoles aren't running their games from the Blu-ray disc/drive, so I don't know why that keeps being used as the standard to compare to.
Try ~100MB/s for a run of the mill 5400rpm HDD. That's the standard.
>>343198959
Gyro control is literally just another input option and is more efficient for the Magnesis than the sticks. You literally just use your wrists to move something along the x and y axes and the extra stick can be used for the z axis, and STILL be able to move something around with the movement stick.
>>343199153
Of course it would. Every little ounce of nostalgia gets treated like the second coming.
>THE NEW MARIO BROS HAS A SINGLE WORLD MAP INSTEAD OF A COUPLE OF SMALLER ONES?? HOLY SHIT ITS JUST LIKE MARIO WORLD CONFIRMED GOAT NINTENDO WINS AGAIN
>>343193050
If they haven't learned yet that the gamepad was a shitty gimmick they shouldn't have leaned on, then the NX is fucked
>>343199004
>everything points to it
There is virtually nothing confirmed on any level about the NX.
>design-wise it makes perfect sense for nintendo to do
Apart from war of attrition smartphones are waging on the portable game market.
There are a lot of people who are completely and totally enamored with the idea of a "hybrid" and almost none of them have any fucking idea what they are talking about or can even articulate what they mean by "hybrid".
>>343199387
>missing the meme
>>343199218
I already pointed out that game consoles nowadays use the install as a mechanism to bolster the 27MB/s rate which makes the whole argument of "Faster read speeds on cartridge!" kind of pointless.
>>343192260
>>343189272
I see the Zelda cycle is entering it's next phase
>>343199514
>>343199514
>There is virtually nothing confirmed on any level about the NX.
you're wrong but ok man. you seem too dense to argue with, not to mention overly arrogant
>>343192260
Even without the motion controls SS is a shit zelda.
>>343199446
are you joking? the gamepad is the best part of the wii u fuck off
>>343199727
Why don't you give the rundown of what's been "confirmed" for everyone, dipshit? We don't even know who is supplying the chip set.
>>343185465
>more gimmicks
how does Nintendo do it?
>>343199724
nintoddlers lap up anything nintendo shits out
they just don't admit it until it's outdated
>VR
I like to see how personal nintendo will take this since they're previous experience with the virtual boy.
>>343193745
Blu-ray's still have 50 gigs of space, which isn't an amount that games break regularly. Even if they did, including 2 Blurays would be way cheaper then moving back to carts still.
Research
That doesnt mean we'll get VR, just that they are researching it
Miyamoto already stated he had problems with it
You might as well say Nintendo's other patents that never happened are confirmed at this point because they were at some point researched.
>>343185465
I always wanted a VR experience with the resolution of a 3DS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>343193384
What? We haven't reached some perfect breakthrough in technology. Games still run like shit. I bet any game company would brag nonstop about their game if they achieved stable fps, high graphics, and good optimization (see: Doom). There is always room for improvement.
The main issue currently is how everybody is following whats sells. People copied CoD's formula forever, MMOs tried to replicate WoW, and so on. Recent trend was the open world one, but it seems Sony's starting a Last of Us thing now. The sad part of it all was things like Kickstarter and Greenlight were supposed to encourage new ideas with the help of the public for support; instead, we got a fuckload of scams.
>NX is a vr headset, and Nintendo rereleases all of the virtual boy games for it
>>343200810
I would accept this
Wario Land on Virtual boy was the best shit in existance
>>343193384
Which is why Nintendo still exists and NX will be a new concept people will shitpost until they realize it's good and Sony and Microsoft start copying
again, for the 3rd time
>>343199819
No, it's a shitty attempt to cash in on the tablet market that deservedly sunk the console. They came up with the pro controller, so they clearly have the ability to still make good controllers, so why they decided to make such a dumb idea integral to the console boggles my mind
>>343186037
Miyamoto is a fucking albatross around Nintendo's neck these days.
There used to be a time when he mention of his name used to be a signal of quality.
Now I want him to stay the fuck away from game design as much as possible.
>>343199218
>>343199668
Cartridges mean you don't have to install games on an HDD. Running the game from the cartridge is still faster.
They can be updated and carry saved games. When you buy DLC, it gets put onto the cartridge.
They can carry more data as time goes on, when disc systems would have to split games across multiple discs or make you install them.
They can also contain coprocessor chips, extra RAM, and other hardware.
I don't understand why cartridges are considered outdated when everyone wants SSDs instead of mechanical drives. There's a much larger gap in speed and capacity between cartridges and optical discs than there is between SSDs and magnetic HDDs. You can buy 128 GB of flash about the size of a fingernail.
The only disadvantage to cartridges is their price.
>>343204530
Catridges have expanded and become more advanced since back then
But people are still stuck with their minds of MUH BLUE RAY
Cartridges as modern game carriages are absolutely fine
>>343201045
To be fair, the gamepad still had good usage
Camera controls for Splatoon (Shame about Star Fox) and especially being extremely easy to make shit in Mario Maker
>>343202749
Oh boy here we fucking go
make a fucking mistake and it's a fucking shitposting fiesta
You don't get anywhere without Trying
Miyamoto has always been like this
>>343185465
Fun Fact: Nintendo has been researching VR and Hologram projection since the 90s
>>343202749
>Still blaming Miyamoto
>Ignoring that Star Fox Zero was more or less a return to form either way
>Ignoring that he encouraged the team at Splatoon to work hard on the character designs if they want it to be a new IP
Everybody makes mistakes, but without mistakes you won't learn shit
Miyamoto went through several of these, it's not exclusively this gen, but people would rather be loud about it, otherwise we had Virtual Boy, we had turning Dinosaur Planet into Star Fox, Wii Music, Star Fox Zero and others, but that doesnt make a good man if you stay perfect
>>343205765
>Star Fox Zero was more or less a return to form either way
You must be truly desperate to believe this
>>343205175
Cartridges aren't necessarily faster than Blu-Ray these days. Everybody just assumes that because of the N64 which is NOT the same as flash memory. N64 carts were more-or-less just extended bits of the motherboard.
Something like 3DS carts still have loading in them. Just look at smash 3DS, it takes like 40 seconds just to get to a menu in Smash 4 and it still needs loading in-between fights and whatnot. It wasn't any faster than the Wii U version.
>>343206717
I wasnt implying it was faster
Cart advantages are being able to store more memory, RAM, and not needing to have install times
>>343207961
The issue then comes up: Since digital game downloads are quickly coming to be a strong competitor to retail, wouldn't it be a good idea for Nintendo to include a large hard drive anyways? The Wii U definitely had issues due to its small memory and even casual players had to allocate stuff at some points.
At that point, installing a game to the HDD wouldn't be that big of a deal, especially if it's Nintendo's amazing compression engineers. At that point the only advantage a cart would have is being less destructable than a disc.
I really don't see the advantages of carts.
Metroid prime in VR with Wiimote nunchuck pointer ganeplay would be the perfect experience and you know it
>>343206379
Except it was
The design was well made to be a true star fox game, and it was very heavy focused on the action and did justice to the all range mode.
>>343210682
I completely disagree. No real alternate paths mixed with levels that are way too short, a horrible gyrowing level (thank christ there's only one), a lack of on-rails missions, a chicken walker mode that doesn't really do anything, and tons of reused bosses from 64 that are in ARM for no good reason. less missions than 64, less content, no multiplayer, and the fucking annoying gyro controls.
I mean shit even without mentioning the controls the game is worse than 64 in every possible way.
>>343193762
They sure did last gen.
>PS Move and Kinect in the years following Wii's success
/r/ing the picture of Reggie looking sad at the NX
>smartphone games are finally starting to slow down
>Surprise motherfucka! Virtual Boy 2.0!
