Just what went wrong?
What are you on about, OP? Fallout is a masterpiece
>>343178425
Rod Broward, would i buy Fallout 4 or Homefront?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpc3l2aVEXU
graphics, the closest thing to evil being sarcastic, the almost 2 hour tutorial so you can't refund it.
i spend 60 dollars on that shit and i played it for about 3 hours before stopping forever
>>343178068
Dialog wheel. Lack of interesting quests. Radiant quests. Lack of morality system. Pre-written backstory. Lack of meaningful factions
The DLC wasn't in the base game at launch
>>343178068
boring map
voiced character
>>343178068
It just works
>>343178068
the quests aren't interesting.
the leveling and specing isn't as fun as Fallout 3/NV
and most importantly, a big open world game isn't impressive any more. and Fallout 4 is just more of the same old Bethesda RPG formula.
>>343178873
>Pre-written backstory
You make me so mad. The other criticisms stand, but there is literally no difference in this regard to 3 or NV.
>>343178918
still can't get over how they just went "fuck it" with the DLC, they could have somewhat saved face with a bunch of cool expansions.
they are an embarrassment to the game industry, I'll stick with Elder Scrolls Online. Based Zenimax Game Studios.
>be Bethesda
>want to be next Activision
>decide to hire Obsidian for Fallout 4
>let Zenimax Studios (ESO) handle ES6
>sit back and watch fans cry with joy over beautiful products produced
>rake in the cash by doing nothing
>?????
>What didn't go wrong?
FTFY
>>343178068
The picture makes me think that a fallout game set in the immediate aftermath of the nukes dropping would be pretty cool. Well maybe not a Fallout game because they're shit, but just a game with that setting.
>>343179109
But in 3 and NV it doesn't restrict you or constantly get referenced.
>>343179109
You're just someone looking for their Dad in 3 and a courier in NV who is already in the wasteland. You can take on attributes and roleplay as you go. In 4 you are either a trained former soldier or a lawyer, with the lawyer not really being conducive to the wasteland.
>>343179547
>Lawyer
You're literally just Soldier's Wife.
>>343179312
>fallout game set in the immediate aftermath of the nukes
"This is Raider territory, fuck off or get shot!"
>[Melt from radiation]
>[Burn from radiation]
>Please dear God, help me. I'm melting and burning from radiation.
>I'd to see you try [melt from radiation]
>>343178068
Absolute worst thing is the dialogue choices and voiced character. Second worst is lack of quest variety and having almost no control over the story. Third is the amount of very shallow "sim" camp building shit (It could have been cool but wasn't implemented very well). Pic related
>>343179547
Actually, in NV, you're a courier being punished by Ulysses and targeted for your parcel.
bad story, boring world, boring gameplay, zero depth
>>343179640
See. Already better than Fallout 4.
>>343179743
But the courier themselves has no pre-written attributes or skills.
It must depend on how you play it. I'm actively avoiding any story quests and just exploring. And having a blast.
>>343179891
>actively avoiding story quests
that's because there is none
>>343179843
You start out building your SPECIAL in every game. Wtf are you talking about?
>>343179843
Neither does the FO4 main character.
>>343178068
Nothing specifically really, i enjoyed it for a playthrough but there was nothing interesting enough to bring me back
>>343178068
Shitty DLC with second season pass a real possibility
Not enough side quests
Countless stupid cuts, eg Dogmeat and companion, Racetrack, Arena, Become Elder of Brotherhood
Too heavily on the side of ACTION and not nearly enough RPG
Radiant Quests Everywhere
Settlements are pointless filler
Most companions have a "Big Mission To Develop Their Character" which does very fucking little
Levelling system forces grinding like a bastard to get good perks
No skills
"You cannot wear armor over this because reasons"
The Institute was shit.
We fell for the hype.
>>343180183
>Settlements are pointless filler
I dunno. The artillery strikes are pretty cool
>>343180046
He's a solider. That is a prewritten background and it is also stated, as others have mentioned, during the game itself. You are not creating a new character entirely to roleplay. You have a template already
>>343180373
Yet you can achieve the same effect with grenades. Or a MIRV. Without needing to build a mortar with a settler attached to every single settlement.
Plus, even settlements with 900 odd defence somehow need your help every five minutes.
>>343180389
And in NV you're a courier. That is a prewritten background and it is also stated, as others have mentioned, during the game itself. You are not creating a new character entirely to roleplay. You have a template already
>>343180389
>implying you aren't a synth
>>343180723
It's different when you're a soldier or a laywer. A courier is like some burger flipper at maccas. They could have any skillset. A soldier is good at using guns. A layer is good at speaking.
HATE RPG
>>343180723
But you're a courier in a post apocalyptic wasteland, so you can add what your courier has already experienced in said wasteland and roleplay from that.
The Solider and Solider's wife have no experience of this wasteland.
>>343180723
In fact, with Lonesome Road, the playable character has more 'backstory' than any other Fallout protagonist.
>>343178068
It was released.
>>343181041
Thats not true, a soldier doesn't always have to be someone decent in combat, and a lawyer can always be shit at talking.
>>343181083
Thats no different from the vault protags though.
Theres a lot wrong with F4, but this isn't really that big of a deal
>>343181041
>Lawyers speak
>Soldiers fight
Pretty funny considering the only impact your SPECIAL ever has is Combat and Talking.
>>343181041
>A soldier is good at using guns. A layer is good at speaking
You're reading way too much into it. Who is to say he even saw combat? And there are a fuckton of lawyers who don't do anything but read contracts.
The game doesn't limit you. Your own assumptions limit you.
>>343178068
the original trailers showed off the old/new transition a lot but I don't recall it anywhere in the game
>>343181087
Not really. Yousillys just says shit and you can deny all of it. He's reading into you delivering packages too much.
>>343181146
You know what we call Soldirrs who can't fight and Lawyers who can't speak?
Unemployed.
>>343181235
That's not true. With Lonesome Road, the Courier had like 10 years of back story.
>>343181285
>people can't be bad at their jobs
and you're complaining about roleplay?
I torrented it, installed it, played it for 6 hours over the course of 3 days, and uninstalled it.
The pacing is bad and I felt no investment or interest in any of the characters, even the world itself just seemed bland despite it looking decent and having some actually cool weather affects. Skyrim, FO3, and NV at least kept me going for 25+ hours at least before I got disinterested, I don't know how they screwed up FO4 so badly.
>>343178068
casuals kicked in.
Ulysses is literally a madman and you can tell him to fuck off cause he has the wrong guy.
>People still think Ulysses is a reliable narrator or rational actor
>>343181372
Not if they want to keep their jobs and a house in suburbia.
>>343181285
Not even close. Do something with your life other than watch TV
This game crashes whenever I try to load my saved games every single time. This game is trash
generic FPS with a Fallout title
>>343178068
>no content
>no choice
>voiced protag
>almost no RPG elements
>shit writing
>turning the game into a trash collecting simulator
>using the trash you collected to turn places into shitty grinding areas
>>343181353
Yousillys had ten years of monologues, more like it. He just says that you delivered packages and imparts retarded meanings into your delivery boy job.
>>343181581
Stop installing shota mods.
>>343178068
The same thing that went terribly wrong with FO3.
Emil Pagliarulo.
>>343178068
>TV still working
>>343181658
Dude, you have 4 Choices...Yes, Yes, Sarcastic Yes and Yes but later
God I love Toddposting
>>343181683
He was promoted to design director. Is it bad or is is very bad?
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
NO IM NOT TALKING ABOUT RED SOX FANS
Everything.
NEW ENGINE WHEN TODD
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>343182014
Orcs migrate, look for FEV
Master made lots Orcs
>>343182014
>/v/ attempts bantz
>>343182104
Never.
>>343182119
East Coast super mutants are not made by The Master.
And maybe the super mutants should just go to where ever the fuck the Institute got their infinite supply of FEV.
Or just go to the place where Dr. Lesko found FEV for his retarded fire ant experiments.
There should have been an option to adjust your breast size in character creation, if you played as Nora.
Make the boobs too big and you can't fit in power armor, but you gain a massive speech bonus when talking to men.
pre-war focus as well as a shift in aesthetics that was never the main intention.
>makeshift guns lol
>but the fallout 1/2 games had the gun progression lead upto experimental guns of its era to famous guns of the sci-fi culture of its time.
>wind up your gun to shoot lol
>man was in the military at some point and then frozen for 200 years
Waaaaaaaah that's too much back story, now my character is locked into a role!!
>man has a job as a courier literally immediately preceding the game, and the entire game is based on his actions in previous years.
Ooh, so moldable!
When Fallout: Denver comes out, you'll all be stroking yourselves over 4
>>343182321
I thought they were all made by the master?
>>343178068
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
>>343182014
Lazy writing
And it's faggots like >>343182119 that let them keep getting away with it.
>>343182574
>and the entire game is based on his actions in previous years
Nice lies, Todd.
>>343182663
The Institute had a super mutant program.
>>343178068
one of the best games I've ever played in my life
>>343182610
Nope. East coast super mutants have absolutely nothing to do with The Master or West-tek's facilities. East coast mutants have zero intelligent leadership.
Somehow Vault-tec built a vault full of FEV on the east coast five years before FEV even existed.
>>343182663
You took my comment to mean I approve of the stagnant story of Fallout...? Ok, well, no.
>>343182712
Nope. It's absolutely true.
You cause the Divide.
Ulysses was supposed to take the chip, but sees you are on the list and is PO'd at you, so you take it.
You get shot.
Game starts.
The shooting is better all other things are completely shit.
>>343182797
I wonder who could be behind this post
>>343182816
Well, ain't that some shit.
>>343178068
where is the GECK?
Bland and uninteresting. Clear laziness from Bethesda as usual, but hey the modders will fix it! Only unlike New Vegas it isn't even enjoyable without mods.
>>343182954
IRL its been out for a while.
Why do you want it in game...?
>FO3 states that Liberty Prime was unfinished before the Great War
>FO4 states that Liberty Prime was fully operational and deployed in Anchorage before the Great War
What did Emil mean by this
everyone should buy it at full price
best game ever
I do think they got the feral ghouls right in this game. 28 days later style zombies
Is there a place to pirate the DLC, without my anti-virus going haywire?
>>343183150
There are no ghouls in FO4.
You must be talking about those immortal burn victims with fashionable wigs. That like to hang out in graveyards for some reason.
>>343182837
You didn't cause the divide.
>>343178068
>Character's backstory is decided for you. Want to make a virgin waifu? She already comes pre-fucked and with a family
>voiced player character
>no memorable quests like Oblivion or NV
>>343183084
That's not so. They say it was intended for deployment in Anchorage.
It does bug me when their team claims it was in no way supposed to be anything like Optimus Prime.
>>343183292
>Want to make a virgin waifu? She already comes pre-fucked and with a family
You literally cannot be this autistic. Fallout isn't supposed to be your GF simulator.
>>343182816
East Coast 'rangers', aka Reilly's Rangers have no relation to the actual rangers if im not mistaken. Also, what a mess of a quest that was.
>hey check out this super cool elite merc group that doesnt play by the rules!
>they all die on the way cause ai sucks shit.
>>343183292
>no memorable quests like Oblivion or NV
I mean, I'm not the biggest FO4 fan, but the Silver Shroud quest was pretty memorable to me.
>>343183292
This drives me up the fucking wall worse than anything else about Fallout 4. I wanted to make a fat crazy melee raider type guy but no matter what he sounds like a totally normal man and he has a wife and son he cares very very deeply about.
In New Vegas you are a courier who is upset that you got shot in the head. That's it.
>>343183084
Didn't they say they could have sent it out, but it wouldn't have any weapons and could only step on shit? either way unfinished
>>343183271
They're literally the same as 3 and NV, just faster and a little less human looking.
>>343183285
Yes, you did.
>>343183423
Bethesda games are pretty much role-playing simulators, a lot of people play them for that reason alone. And that is the issue with fallout 4, you are forced into a role, a soldier, a father, and husband, and it reflects in the dialogue where your primary motivation is finding your son.
>>343179312
Outside of the nukes zones it might start looking like he mid to near ending of mad max one and the rest of mad max 2 for a bit till the black rain rolls around followed by a nuclear summer and winter before everything "Normalizes".
>>343183493
He makes a fair point about them showing up in graveyards way too often.
>>343183292
>>343183478
this much autism. Autists need games where they can insert themselves and or play DnD because their real life is so sad.
>>343183423
Why are you defending the fact that one of the playable characters is a lawyer with no combat experience who can use power armor with no training whatsover?
>>343183741
not him but power armor training was something that was added in FO3 and got shitted on, before anyone could use it and even in FO3 only the player needed it.
Reminder that FO4 makes FO1 non-canon
Reminder that Dogmeat the magical mutt is literally essential to the main quest
>>343183736
He said in a thread about an RPG.
An entire genre of game which does exactly that.
>>343183741
The "training" you needed in other games was just an in-game difficulty bump.
If Power Armor was an IRL thing, you should just be able to get in it (like all the raiders do, too).
Bethesda quest design became as shitty as humanly possible.
>Oblivion side quest
>do a bunch of interesting stuff that doesn't involve combat
>Fallout side quest
>kill 100 generic baddies in a generic dungeon, again
>>343183741
Lawyers wore Power Armor pre war.
Games too fucking simple.
How about give me a win the game button and I'll just press it.
>>343183918
But why defend FO4? Surely you realise that you're being a fanboy who can see no evil?
>>343183936
>100
You only need to kill the Boss Monster.
>>343183954
>2070s
>Society is collapsing, riots and chaos everywhere
>Due to martial law, even lawyers and judges are kitted out in power armor dispensing street justice to criminal scum
Hmmm, I can dig it.
>>343182816
And let's not forget Grey had to fuck around with the FEV and afterword fuck around with subjects to even get it produce quality mutants and a see of moderate to full on retard mutants that either got wiped out or had to flee in such small number that only continued to shrink do to "Oh fuck, giant green thing shoot it!"
>>343179982
>pre-written
Can you fucking read?
>>343184060
Lawyer was just a polite term for Street Judge.
Nora was The Law.
>>343183736
isnt escapism the point of video games
>>343183984
I like all 3 of the 3D Fallouts
>>343178068
voiced protag
bullshit dialogue "options"
consolised controls to the point that the same key that activated melee attack also threw a grenade
wtf were they thinking?
After about a week on launch I dropped this shit hard. Why remind us op? What kind of fallout game is this? THIS IS NO FALLOUT GAME. IT'S JUST ANOTHER GAME WITH A FALLOUT FILTER ON IT.
The game would've been fine if it had non retarded writing and story.
>>343184113
Yeah Bethesda largely ignores the whole dipping process and the fact that super mutants took a lot of work to even discover, much less produce reliably.
They just dumb down FEV into super mutant juice, despite the fact that both The Master and Harold are also FEV mutants but not super mutants because they weren't made using the dipping process.
If I recall the strain on the east coast magically requires no dipping and just spits out super mutants factory style.
I haven't bought it yet, but I bet it's awesome just like FO3, so i'm gonna love it
Bethesda only makes middling action rpg's that appeal to a wide swath of game players and they rake in they rake in the cash.
I don't see what went wrong unless you were retarded enough to actually buy a bethesda rpg after morrowind.
>>343184131
All of them have a pre-written back story. And you can make your own SPECIAL.
Does FO4 have endless side quests like in Skyrim?
>>343184431
Remember Centaurs and Floaters? How they provided a view of the trial and error process of FEV? I think centaurs now are super mutant pets or something.
Granting but not conceding that NV and 3 has a prewritten backstory as well. FO4 still has the problem of voiced dialogues that severely limit the "character" of the protagonist. In 3/NV there are a lot of different inflections and sometimes perks add different dialog options that you can use to roleplay. FO4 only has different types of snarks and yeses.
>>343184541
If you can't grasp the issue having read the thread you are brain damaged or bait. Or Todd.
So what kind of wacky retarded shit are we going to see in Nukaworld?
Probably something like the creator being alive after hundreds of years because he dared to imbibe the forbidden cola of immortality.
There is a whole bunch of immortality shit in FO4 for some strange reason.
Fallout 4 also has alot wrong lore wise, like the fact the 4 they tell you jet was made before the war even tho it wasent and whats up with all the ghouls and very little friendly super mutants its BS.
>>343184640
I miss Centaurs.
>>343184550
Exactly like Skyrim. In that they're radiant shit.
>>343184431
Yeah, they just spit em out and don't even show an area to where the mutants are made. they just give you a radiation filled vault but no area with the actual FEV.
>>343184691
>Ghouls
>Lorenzo's Magic Hat
What else?
>>343184672
The issue is, apparently, people are mad that your character has a family. Or that people can't use their imaginations and simply say "well, guess I'm a gun-toting soldier or a smooth-talking lawyer only."
>>343178068
Nothing. Just New vegas babbies being mad
Forced protag, voiced protag, generic dialogue options, the settlement system was poorly executed, game breaking random weapon attributes, the password for the super secret underground railroad.
I just wasn't feeling it. I hated the story, it seemed broken with a lot of holes, and in general didn't make any sense.
They had a lot of potential as a great game, but with the forced story that sucks dick you can't even get into it.
>>343178696
>>343184896
See >>343184672
Leaning toward bait.
>>343184763
Glad I didn't buy it as Skyrim was shit.
>>343183736
>whining about self-inserting in a RPG thread
>autism this and autism that
>because their real life is so sad.
>he's saying all of this on 4chan
Really?
In the world of entertainment, there are very few things as good as...
>>343184857
Kellogg - cybernetics apparently makes your organic parts immortal or at minimum stops aging
Synths - third gen synthetics with artificial organic bodies
DiMa.
Nick - second gen synthetic with brain uploading
Eddie Winter - the first ghoul ever, isolation doesn't cause feral behavior
Kid in the fridge - ghouls don't need food or water anymore, extreme isolation and sensory deprivation doesn't cause feral behavior either
>>343185094
Skyrim was a soft brown average warm turd.
Fallout 4 was dysentry.
>>343185032
No, I'm not baiting.
What is the fucking problem with your character being given an occupation prior to gameplay?
All that is known is that he was in the military and she was a lawyer. If you knew anything about real life, you would understand than neither of those things defines who you are.
It's not the game's fault you have no imagination.
>>343185201
So, Ghouls and Robots.
>>343184691
>Nukaworld
Probably have ghoul that has been around from the Mesopotamian civilization who has achieved immortality due to being the secret founder of NukaCola and bathing in the radiate beverage for over 400 years.
>>343185301
Yeah, you are.
>>343178068
it was more of a far cry game than fallout game
>>343184763
I miss Walamingos. Of all the nonsensical returns of fallout's enemies, I wanted this one the most
>>343185404
Hes not wrong though, the issue with role-playing is the choices and the character voice rather than the backstory
>>343185340
Kellogg isn't a robot
Making an entirely artificial organic body like Gen 3 synths could allow for complete brain transfers with no robotics involved
Also I forgot the memory den stuff. If thoughts and memories of a regular human can be digitized then thats even easier to produce full body transplants using the organics of Gen 3 or the robotics of Gen 2.
WHEN THERE'S PIRATES
YOU KNOW THEY ALWAYS BRING ME DOWNNNNN
'CAUSE IT'S FREE AND I SEE THAT IT'S ME
WHO'S RIGHT AND NEVER WRONG
>>343185485
I miss em too, even if they were fuckers to fight until you got the bozar or has some adequate melee skills.
>>343185490
Fallout 4 fails on all 3.
>>343185568
Cyborg then, whatever.
>Fanon
Not entertaining that shit.
>>343183976
In case you haven't heard:
>games aren't supposed to be work
>we want the X audience
>streamlining is innovation
More and more small studio indie games are coming out nowadays and every now and then one of them happens to be a good game. AAA games are dead.
>>343185635
They were honestly, just an over leveled enemy for the time you first meet them but damn is it fun to fight through this threat if you can actually do so that the time. That feeling of encroaching enemies in a mazelike mineshaft was great if you could avoid getting tentacle raped
>>343185485
>>343185635
What the fuck was those things supposed to be in the first place? I heard they're weapons but that doesn't explain shit
>>343185490
The choice to have a speaking character and the limited dialogue choices do suck.
But I'm pretty sure only actual autists complain about your character having a "pre-written back story."
>>343179743
You can literally deny that to Ulysse and tell him he's just a crazy dude. So nope.
The only thing we know about the protagonist of new vegas, is his job IN THE PAST considering he has been shot in the head and could have forgot his past. So yeah. No pre written backstory.
>>343183976
>Fallout 3 is almost 10 years old
>>343185845
Yes, anyone intent on actually roleplaying wouldn't let something like
>shit man this guy PRE WAR was a soldier guess he has to be a soldier now
But the main problem is the dialogue presented
>>343185872
>Needing this much wrangling to get out of the comparison between the two.
Also,
>Entire game-explaining DLC
>Anon chooses "no."
>>343185817
So, there is a few cases of pre-war genetic fuckery as seen in OWB but the Wanamingos were on of the few legitimate bio-weapon creatures designed to be dumped into heavily infested areas, but as you can imagine that didn't exactly sit right with military officials since as easy as they are to be deployed, the harder it is to remove them...especially since they breed like a mother fucker with a bio clock ticked till they just become sterile and die out.
>>343178068
It tried to be too many things at once, and succeeded at none of them:
First, it tries to be a "like Bioshock" esque retrofurturism type game (hence the extended intro), but the entire character's background is dropped after finding Codsworth. Only Kellogg brings it up, but you kill him. And, like Bioshock Infinite, the focus of the story changes halfway through (to synths).
Second, it tries to be an open world shooter "like "DayZ", but fails because the map is just too small. Also all the settlements just have generic raiders, instead of people that can be interacted with. This is true even for the shipwrecked Norwegians, who even have their own VA. Same is true for the Combat Zone, Quincy and Lexington.
Third, it tries to be "like Minecraft" and have basebuilding elements, but the options available are extremely truncated compared to the original RTS mod it's based on. There's no reason to do it, since settlements don't produce important things like ammo.
Fourth, it tries to be "like Mass Effect" with it's companion quests. However it's clear that whoever was in charge of this left or couldn't complete it, because the only companion with interesting quests is Nick.
Fifth, it tries to be an action RPG, with multiple factions "like New Vegas" but the game straight up ignores everything until mass fusion quest, which is jarring and wouldn't have been needed if they introduced a proper rep system instead. There's no independent option either, and no way to get into CIT without sucking off a faction (even if you're high-level). And the entire skills system was done away with. And, like Fo3, there's a generic "evil mercenaries" faction again but this time they've somehow gotten control of all the vaults.
What went right?
I look forward to the autistic weapon mods that come out so I can shoot the autistic monster mods though.
>>343178068
No legitimate RPG value, you're either a housewife, or an ex soldier.
Literally that's it.
At least in New Vegas your background was overall unknown, except you've been to New Reno playing black jack and fucking hookers.
In Fallout 3, your dad STILL loves you even if you ate a live baby and nuked a small town full of people, young and old, and unleashed a bunch of feral ghouls in an apartment complex full of snobbish people, but they're still people and too soft to truly defend themselves from a horde of ferals.
tl;dr magic
>>343185929
The dialogue which refers to that backstory and limits your reactions based on that backstory. The two issues are entwined.
>>343186016
It's clear what went wrong: design-by-committee. Whoever was actually in charge of Fo4 simply added the top mods (grenade hotkey, sprint function, DC interiors, Real Time Settler) and also removed the skills system. As a result Fo4 is passable for a few hours, but doesn't stick.
>>343185747
>Explain the properties of both Gen 2 and Gen 3 synths as presented in game
>Memory Den is literally required for the main quest and is established as a thing
>Fanon
Pay attention next time you play a fucking vidya and maybe you can comprehend a setting at some point
Can you just stop it with these threads? They never stop and are exactly the same.
>>343185980
>Anon has the choice
Yep, unlike 4
>>343186016
Nick's companion quest is fucking retarded and has extremely contrived writing
And is yet another example of Beth not comprehending how long 210 years really is
>>343186063
If the dialogue was changed then the backstory would not matter whatsoever.
Having a son is no different from having a father or having to help your "friends and family" get a water chip or save your tribe
>>343186016
> Nick quest
> The best
You mean
> The best ending for a fetch quest
because it was a boring fetch quest
>>343186074
>What I infer COULD happen, DID happen.
Nope.
the problem is that it's spiritually fallout 3 and not fallout 1
>>343186032
>you're either a housewife, or an ex soldier.
And God knows, once you've done one of those things, you can't be anything else, especially when dropped into a post-apocalyptic world 200 years later.
>>343186176
But the dialogue refers to the backstory. If there was a different, more open ended backstory, the dialogue would have been different.
>>343186397
Considering that F4's dialogue was shit in the first place, that wouldn't solve the issue.
The backstory on the other hand is something that can stay and be worked with given more open and superior dialogue
>>343186242
The real reason why FO4 doesn't have RPG value is because they think that making chems, modifying armor and weapons counts as roleplaying.
Literal material roleplaying.
>>343186172
>>343186231
Comparatively speaking it's the best because it was actually there, half the companions don't have quests. Cait's quest is just to go into a Vault and let her get fucked by a chair. Going to all the police stations is time consuming, but there's a bit of character backstory.
>>343178873
Morality systems have always been fucking retarded but I agree with you on the bullshit backstory and quests.
I wouldn't have a problem with the dialog wheel or radiant quests either if the writing wasn't hamfisted trash.
I completely agree about the factions. They either act completely retarded or their very existence is absurd like the Railroad.
>>343186537
Well Beth is more concerned about material storytelling than actual storytelling on that notion.
Instead of having competent writing they would rather have a bunch of skeletons and teddy bears in wacky and inexplicable situations.
Because that is apparently world building in their eyes.
>>343186032
>At least in New Vegas your background was overall unknown, except you've been to New Reno playing black jack and fucking hookers.
Or, you know, caused a chain of nuclear explosions that decimated an entire region. An act that spurned a maniac into hunting you the rest of your life and literally put the entire game in motion.
>>343186492
We seem to both agree dialogue is an issue, and I can see the background is fine assuming it could be ignored. The game doesn't allow you to ignore it.
>>343186710
>The game doesn't allow you to ignore it.
Why not?
>>343186016
It also tries to be "rougelike" with it's infinite quests and legendary weapons system. However, this doesn't work because the best rougelikes also have RNG terrain, or fuckhuge maps, or skills systems (ie combat is based purely on numbers and dice rolls).
Why has no one tried to say the things wrong with 4 and 3 to tod at like a panel or something?
>>343186787
>Why not?
Seriously?
You even played the game?
Ask some other cunt cause you fucking exhaust me.
>>343186890
They'd get thrown out...?
>>343186998
>Psh I'm not even going to TELL you why you're wrong. Nothing personnel, kid.
>>343186671
Delivering the package was more important than the lives of human beings.
>>343186890
1. only bethdrones are allowed to speak
2. the people most likely to pull off such a stunt are NMAfags that would only embarrass themselves
3. todd isn't interested in constructive criticism unless it's from his boss. Remember, Fallout 4 made money.
>>343178068
>>343187162
Not him but the characters asks alot where his son is. Todd really loves his parent/child drama if he didnt think that f3 had enough of it.
>>343187287
I fucking love the fail checks. Theres reason in picking them for rp reasons as well.
>>343183736
normalfags like yourself are why Fallout has been shit
>>343187384
Emil, not Todd.
Emil does the horrible writing. He wrote FO3, FO4, and the absolutely fucking retarded thieves guild chain in Skyrim.
He got a fucking writing award for FO3 somehow.
>>343187914
Thieves guild was pretty good though, better than Not Fighters Guild, Imperial or Stormcloak.
>>343185201
rotting brains caused feral behavior
What pisses me off to no end is how the Bethesdrones flock to all the negative Steam reviews to bitch and moan.
>>343179405
In 3 you could create characters who looks like Revolver Ocelot or something, but every time you listen to Three Dog on the radio you will be reminded that you're such a sweet 19 yr old kid just looking for his dad
>>343185201
>focus on new-human construction and the advancement of the human race regardless of morality
>still doesnt take the original van buren f3 plot of ghoul development into super ghouls
>>343188871
>A cancelled game
So?
>Super ghouls
Sounds retarded
>>343186890
>>343187276
There was some IGN interview at this past E3 where Todd was asked about some of the problems in Fallout 4. He handled the criticism pretty well and admitted there were flaws.
>>343188334
You gotta be fuckin kidding me
Not a single goddamn bit of the thieves guild makes any sense
And you have to become Nocturnal's bitchboy in exchange for nothing in order to finally be able to shank Mercer and his retarded ass
Which part of the chain was "good" to you?
>>343183736
fuck you and please leave.
>>343188871
Van buren has so much fucking potential in the development of the lore and plot but no, it had to be cancelled!
>>343189607
Some ideas from Van Buren made their way into New Vegas.
>>343189310
It was a pretty stupid sounding plot but it seems like something that should be done as a subplot at least, in homage of the series
>>343189732
I know, but it's just not the same man! still pleasing to see though.
>>343187287
i sure am glad that they brought back percent chance for spell checks in 4
>>343189528
>Nothing
Sweet armor, new abilities.
>Didn't make sense
How could you not follow it...? Did you get bounced on the head...?
>>343189732
There's van buren in fallout 3, too. The T45 armor didn't exist in fallout 1 or 2, but was made for van buren. Bethesda put it into fallout 3, and while a lot of their contributions to fallout are pure shit, the expanded power armor lore is solid.
Then they ruined it with fallout 4.
>>343190150
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=14422
>>343190182
Oh yeah, like it did feel like power armor but how you put it on now and how common it's become just feels wrong.
>>343190543
Sumarise it in your own words.
>>343190662
Do you not have the time to read it? It's a very short piece from what I'm seeing.
>>343178068
played the game for 30-35 hours. In entrire time I did not visit a merchant a single time. Doesn't need to sell anything since there was nothing actually to buy, since you got plenty of everything with this stupid looting.. not even .50 cal ammo.
>>343182797
you must be like 12 years old since you can't remember any good game in the past
>>343190768
No, I just prefer to talk to a person who formed their own opinion.
>>343190984
not the guy youre responding to but i remember none of it making any sense(to be fair this could be said about a lot of the shit in the game) and it was fucking boring
>>343190984
Maybe he does, but wants you to fully get the grasp of the shit he is reading. However, this Shamus guy has a fucking huge rant on Fallout 4 holy shit.
>>343191239
See, boring I'm ok with. Boring is totally subjective. But the plot made perfect sense, I can't see how it confused people. I'd genuinely like to know.
>>343191261
I don't care what authority he appeals to, I want HIS opinion.
>>343190662
Brynjolf is a complete fucking retard.
Karliah is a complete fucking retard.
The shit with the meadery in the first half of the chain is literally nothing and makes no goddamn sense either.
Karliah's master plan involves creating a single paralysis arrow to ambush Mercer with. She says it "took her years to perfect the formula" and then apparently destroyed the formula as soon as she made a single arrow. She hits you with it and justifies it as saving your life because it kept you from bleeding out when Mercer shanks you. Except if she just fucking hit Mercer with it then everything would be done. Or if she packed more than a single goddamn arrow. Or if Mercer cut your fucking head off then it wouldn't have made a bit of difference.
Then she "rescues" you from the situation she put you in by not shooting fucking Mercer. And then she states that Mercer is now invincible so you have to sell your soul to Nocturnal for some enchanted armor in order to stop Mercer through some unexplained mechanism.
And the big huge world shattering secret is that Mercer has been abusing the Skeleton Key, just like fucking anyone would if they were given it. And the Skeleton Key can unlock metaphysical things besides locks so Mercer "unlocked" unlimited power or some shit and is unstoppable. Except when the writing allows you to just shank him like any normal dungeon dive. And apparently fucking nobody noticed any of the Thieves Guild vault loot going missing over a 20 year time span while Mercer casually hauled out 10 treasure chests of loot right past everyone. And fucking nobody ever checked the goddamn vault ever because they are shocked its all stolen.
Then you get the Skeleton Key and never return it either because its the goddamn skeleton key. And you can't do any metaphysical unlocking like Mercer to obtain unlimited power because reasons.
Are you fucking satisfied?
>>343191737
>tfw you never give the key back to nocturnal
i'm literally mercer
>>343178068
It wasn't an RPG.
>>343191737
Oh and I forgot all the shit about translating the previous guild masters journal and that once you do it you show the rest of the guild the untranslated journal and they all instantly believe you about Karliah and Mercer which prompts them to go check the vault and SURPRISE its empty because the skeleton key bypasses the two key requirement shit
Why the fuck is this shit 30GB when both FO3 and New Vegas take up way less space
>>343191261
>this Shamus guy has a fucking huge rant on Fallout 4 holy shit.
link?
>>343178068
>Dialogue system is borked and the voiced protagonist sucks.
>Fallout is no longer an RPG with the removal of skills
>DLC is crap except for far harbor
Other than that I have had fun. It is definitely worth the 30 bucks during this summer sale.
>>343179547
The courier is one of the characters with an actual background if slightly scattered.
>>343178068
>Dialogue wheel.
>Can't make your settlements clean or fix the busted up houses.
>>343186032
Too be fair, your characters can have other backstory to them. You can be a veteran and also be something else too.
It is also this way in every other fallout.
Fallout 1 you are a vault dweller your entire life.
Fallout 2 you are a villager your entire life. You are also the descendant of the guy from fallout 1.
>>343191737
I'm satisfied that you're autistic and that none of your criticisms make sense, most in fact are founded on misunderstandings on your part. I literally can't be fucked to explain the entire quest to you in crayon, because it seems that's what it would take.
>>343192807
boi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGXCisAaR4
>>343193151
One of his points is that he doesn't understand what sabotage is FFS.
>>343193417
(You)
>>343181658
Fucking eviscerated
>>343192198
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?s=fallout
>>343193757
I love that helm but damn is it heavy
Is power armor training standard at law school?
>Talking to Valentine about the guy who kidnapped Shaun
>"I heard the name Kellogg"
>wait what
>save and start a new character
>the name Kellogg is definitely not mentioned anywhere in the cryo sequence
great work bethesda
>>343193941
Yes, it's like Judge Dredd in 2077
