Now that it's been a while, what does /v/ think of Bayonetta being in Smash?
>>343144030
Stupid, clashes with the general aesthetic. But I can't complain because Snake did too.
>>343144030
Disappointed with the move set. Wish I could wield her other weapons.
Kucks and Shittaefags still getting BTFO
damn shame nintendo neutered her ass than buffing every low-tier up instead.
git fucking gud
>>343144610
also this
why's Smash so limited?
>>343144030
I just wanted fly me to the moon and moon river for the soundtrack
you'll get a million "not muh gay rool or kid goku" replies, OP.
just so you know.
>>343144030
Was initially happy with her inclusion, but then soon I became fed up with how annoying she was to fight with her Sakurai Approved™ combos and her terrible English voice.
Better than Cloud though. He's the absolute most cancerous thing to exist in Smash 4 right now.
>>343144030
>>343144852
>terrible english voice
go fucc yourself
>>343144030
Still hate her, lowered the bar from here on out.
Glad she got nerfed to shit.
>>343144030
More Bayonetta is always good.
>>343144669
>why's Smash so limited?
Because it is a 2 button game and every character has just 4 special moves
>>343145157
Sorry, should have clarified. There's nothing wrong with her voice in Bayonetta 1 and 2, but in Smash her cries when she gets hit are some of the most annoying sounds in the game next to Fox and Pit.
Disappointed that at the small soundtrack (why couldn't they get Moon River?) and her moveset just isn't very fun
Also
>release character, make people pay for it, then nerf it to the ground
Nintendo's learning from MOBAs
>>343145157
>fucc
good shit go౦ԁ sHit thats some goodshit!
K Rool was fucking robbed. Sakurai rigged the ballot.
>>343145624
Shut up, I'm an Isaac/Layton/Shovelfag and I stopped a long fucking time ago.
Just fucking let it go.
>>343145624K Rool was never popular enough to win anyway.
>>343145624
t. Smashboards
>>343145624
>K.shitters will never stop being kucked
>>343144030
I voted for her. I understand some people wanting to use other weapons but I like that they stuck with her iconic default weapons. I'd rather have one weapon shown off with just about everything in it included, rather then each attack being a different weapon so you only get one or two hits with a weapon. Unless someone is stupid enough to think they'd have her switch stances and get every weapon fully fleshed out, that would be dumb.
great character
all the third party choices were fantastic
they fuck up with the first party ones though
>3 veterans, 2 of which are clones of existing character and 1 of which is a clone of a character that already has a clone to do what it's meant to do (non spacing attacks) who has 4 other characters who fight similarly up close from the same franchise
>finally a new 1st part character comes out
>it's another fucking fire emblem character
>>343146293
That fucking anti-bayo post is hilarious.
>>343146643
all the clones were supposed to be costumes anyways until they gain differences from the original character they're based of it. that when they became "last-minute extras" or roster-padding. (as opposed to lucky last-minute additions like Wolf or G-Dorf)
>>343147014
that doesn't excuse roy's inclusion in the game, he's a waste of development time and resources
>>343147075
looking at a couple of Fire Emblem interviews of Sakurai, he wanted to expand on sword fighters in Smash starring Marth being a fencer-esque fighter against Link.
also, help out gain exposure of bringing Fire Emblem to the west.
remember that Marth and Roy were supposed to be japan-exclusive characters.
>>343147075
even if removed/ignored, Roy wouldn't open opportunities for another unique character after Bayo and Corrin anyways.
>>343147316
are you referring to melee or smash 4?
if they wanted to properly put in FE character they would have brought in someone who was primarily a bow user, lance user, axe user, etc.
instead all of them use a sword. I single out roy because at least corrin is unique. Roy's role was already fulfilled in the game by lucina, he's a waste and even if lucina wasn't in the game, he's just another FE sword user.
>>343147479
true, however with the resources used on him we could have gotten snake back (although admittedly there may have been some bullshit with konami) or wolf, who isn't ideal but still more unique than roy and doesn't have a character in the game doing his job (at least not counting customs no one uses)
I didnt vote for her, but was honestly pretty hyped when she got in, but that was before I played the games. Now that I have played them, I'm glad as fuck she's in
>>343146519
>Unless someone is stupid enough to think they'd have her switch stances
No, just make her like Dante in UMvC3
The dude uses all the weapons from DMC3 with the exception of Spiral (the rifle)
Then again, that would be too much too ask from smash because movesets are extremely limited in comparison to other games
>>343145523
Bayo is still high tier post nerfs
Love the games and it's really cool that she's in Smash Bros, however she just doesn't fit how I play Smash.
I normally just main Kirby and Marth at the moment.
I'm happy as fuck that she got in, though honestly I think I might've preferred Wonder Red a little and feel like he may or may not have gotten snubbed. Hopefully he's in Smash 5.
And hopefully she's still in Smash 5 as well, and we can get Dante too, so we can go full CUHRAYZEE.
>>343145523
>nerfed in to the ground
I bet you're one of those fags who think sheik and diddy got nerfed to the ground too
the third party DLCs are 2 top and 1 high tier
>>343147640
>are you referring to melee or smash 4?
Melee
>if they wanted to properly put in FE character they would have brought in someone who was primarily a bow user, lance user, axe user, etc.
normally FE additions are main protags and sword-wielding lords of the recent game. unless it's Ephraim, but fuck does IntSys even care about old FE?
if sakurai wanted to tackle on adding the FE avatars, he should do something about the weapon triangle.
>>343148691
well I'm talking about smash 4. Roy's placement in melee is fine.
I havn't played the newer FE games (i've only played shadow dragon, sacred stones, and radiant dawn) but i remember the lords could hold multiple types of weapons.
On top of that, it's not like the games are 100% accurate. Ness's and lucas's movesets have abilities from paula/poo/kumatora so it's not hard to imagine someone burly like Ike to wield an axe
>>343144030
She was best suited for the ballot.
>post yfw you voted for Bayonetta
>>343145624
K Rool/Ridley fags should commit sudoku
>>343148895
sakurai really needs to implement style-swtiching in Smash
>>343149181
Tbf ridley is the only major nintendo character not to be playable in the series
Don't know what's up about k rool
>>343148895
Ike can wield axes in Radiant Dawn but he is always shown with Ragnell in everything so it is more fitting to make it all about swords, not to mention that his moveset came from Brawl, where he was based on his Path of Radiance self who didn't use axes
>>343144030
Really neat but kind of sad that she was T0 and got nerfed into the ground.
Did they really have to do that much? It takes so much effort just to be subpar with her.
>>343149254
This is why I wanted elma as dlc, she style switches between dual guns and dual knives in XCX
But no, here's another FE sword user
>>343149280
>Tbf ridley is *one of the major nintendo characters not to be playable in the series
fixed
K.Rool is just poorman's bowser for DKC, and that includes that one-off walrus "totally not icy k.rool" shithead from the worst selling DKC game.
>>343149457
>It takes effort to be bad with her
Wouldn't that make her really good? I thought you said she was bad
>>343149590
I can't think of another major nintendo character not to be playable.
Can you provide one?
Closest I can think of is the black bull though I'd hardly call him major
>>343149457
Better effort = Better results = Better money
>>343149905
I'll assume you meant impa
She's not major, she's only in 2 of the mainline games and does very little other than instructing link
>>343149905
but Zelda in Smash thohi tumblr
>>343149770
Inkling.
>>343150098
Yes, shoe in for smash 5.
I'm speculating they weren't in smash 4 as dlc because the engine couldn't handle their ink on the 3DS
>>343150046
Well that's embarrasing...
Maybe Dixie Kong? Or Krystal? Im scraping at the bottom of the barrel.
since this is kind of a smash thread,
does anyone have that webm of greninja using his teleport move on metaknight but then metaknight uses his teleport move to teleport behind him?
>>343147640
Robin isn't a typical sword user either.
>>343150287
>Dixie Kong
Sidekick of a sidekick, even cranky is more major
>Krystal
Lol
>scraping the bottom of the barrel
Because ridley (and now inklings) are truly the only major nintendo non playable characters in the series
>>343150257
Another reason why 3DS ver. shouldn't have existed in the first place.
>>343147861
>Then again, that would be too much too ask from smash because movesets are extremely limited in comparison to other games
exactly. They did her the best she can be without giving her quarter circle moves like Ryu has. That would have just been to much and I much prefer how she is.
>>343150452
I disagree, I think it was a valuable experiment
But I hope we never get a handheld smash again
>>343149770
Black Shadow isn't much of a major nintendo villain outside being an underling of another underling (Deathborn via The Creators)
in term of all-star villains or recurring nemeses, i see Decline-era Ganon, Medusa, Wolf and SFZ Andross (he has a body now), maybe Mumkhar w/ Metal Face being a FS...
and in term of other series, Inkling is the very first thing to pop up in your head. (unless you want to barrel scrap for irrelevant eshop shit, but i'm sure there's all-star nintendo characters more i don't know.)
>>343150331
You mean to say that he is no ordinary swordsman?
>>343150518
Y'know. It's pretty stupid for Sakurai to include inputs for Ryu. Since he programmed the Negative Edge gimmick in Smash, you will do inputs out of nowhere and they'll screw you over.
>>343150534
they can keep handheld Smash
as long it's not something made simultaneously for Smash 5 (Home Console). maybe some fun ground-up remakes like Smash 64 or Melee-on-to-go
even Sakurai despises doing two smashes in the same time.
>Geno almost made it into Smash before K. Rool
>>343150982
Good, Geno's way better.
>>343150982
ikr?
dunno why people wanted Paper Mario too when it's gonna be Sticker Paintio by Kensuke Tanabe.
>>343150982
geno is shit too
the guy has 0 personality and does fuck all in SMRPG, it's a mystery to me why people like him. Even mallow is better
>>343145474
Smash is attack/special/jump/shield/grab game.
So 5 buttons.
>>343150894
>melee on handheld
fuck no
smash 64 would be cool though
>>343151201
>the guy has 0 personality and does fuck all in SMRPG, it's a mystery to me why people like him. Even mallow is better
Bayonetta caused a lot of toxic in the community. I do believe that the ballot wasn't rigged, but if it was and it revealed a character that was highly supported from the community instead of everyone (aka Shovel Kinight or Banjo) it would be WAY less toxic.
Bayonetta isnt just toxic, she's dangrously toxic. When I mained her, I lost friends because of her toxcidity.
>>343151605
Ah, the old "i have no argument and he's completely right, but it disagrees with my opinion so I'll associate him with fedoras" reddit post
>>343151201
>the guy has 0 personality and does fuck all in SMRPG
not even trying, Geno Boost all day.
stay mad your """preferred""" alternative choice didn't get any attention before Geno in Smash
>>343147640
>>343147075
>we could have gotten snake back
Snake was never coming back. He was only in as a favor to a friend and Sakurai explicitly said he didn't come back because of Konami being assholes.
Also, the reason those three veterans returned is because people wanted them back. Yes, even though you hated them and wanted them gone forever, other people wanted them and they outnumbered you. Them getting back in also had no affect on any newcomers coming in, since we got four of them anyway And Sakurai had already decided on who he wanted.
You people really need to stop this "This character I hate totally pevented another chaarcter I like from getting in!" nonsense.
>>343151636
>When I mained her, I lost friends because of her toxcidity.
Then you lost autistic friends.
>>343151636
>toxic
>less toxic
>toxic
>dangerously toxic
>toxidity
end your life leaguefag
>>343151751
what the fuck does that have to do with his personality?
>stay mad your """preferred""" alternative choice didn't get any attnetion before geno in smash
I wanted shulk in over anyone else, looks like the character you wanted didn't make it in
>>343151690
>resorts to "r-reddit"
the irony of this post
>>343151816
people wanted wolf too, don't ignore the entirety of my post
>>343151884
what do you want me to respond to? you put up no argument
>>343144030
Whatever, could have been worse.
I'm pretty tired of third parties at this point.
I'm happy because more people got to play her awesome games
Smash is the best marketing nintendo has
>>343152034
you're just jaded, anon
her potential is wasted on an anticompetitive game like tr4sh
it's like if vergil got into brawl, he's still vergil but he wouldn't be fun to play
>>343151952
And Sakurai didn't want him back for some reason, despite his popularity and ease of creation being how he got into Brawl in the first place. It's funny how he was so quick to explain why the Ice Climbers were cut and why Corrion was included, but he's said absolutely nothing about Wolf's exclusion.
>>343152173
there is some serious bias against villains in smash
>>343151858
>what the fuck does that have to do with his personality?
Geno has personality in SMRPG
but seriously, since when "personality" even be a huge requirement to include a character in Smash? you have a fucking dog and wild pocket monsters in the damn battlefield?
does Geno have to sing a song, tap dance in Smash or something? not any better than smash fans claiming Cloud need some shitty gba cameo to be in Smash when sakurai said it's a courtesy.
reaching as fuck.
>>343152234
Including Zelda characters. Holy hell.
>tfw no Belmont/vampire hunter in Smash
>>343152416
I was judging his fanbase and just called him a shit character (he is), not his inclusion/non-inclusion in smash
>>343152234
Unless they're Mario villains or Sakurai's creations.
>Bowser sucks until 4
>Ganondorf still a Captain Falcon clone with nothing Zelda-related for three games
>Wolf cut from 4
>all other viable villains from other franchises ignored or made into shitty stage hazards
Meanwhile
>King Dedede is top-tier
>Bowser Jr and the seven Koopalings
>>343144030
She's fun and I don't get the hate over her when Corrin was a WAY worse choice.
>>343152551
>>King Dedede is top-tier
>>343079873
Hopefully it gives her ore attention and helps push efforts to see her in a game that isn't on a console that people to this very day still think is a wii add on
>>343152591
I'm pretty sure way more people rage over corrin, the rage over bayonetta was her being bullshit pre nerfs, not the character itself
>>343152157
Nah, I just want shit that isn't in the common enough majority to be considered.
After Cloud got in I literally dropped any expectation, just hoped it wasn't Shovel Knight, Shantae, or Krystal.
>>343152459
>Including Zelda characters. Holy hell.
boohoo, poor Tricky, Grippy, and General Scales didn't appear playable in game.
>>343144030
She was fun until the nerfs. They somehow managed to leave cloud, Corrin, and Ryu alone.
>>343152551
>>King Dedede is top-tier
stop playing victim
he's fucking shit and dying in need for buffs
>>343152615
>>343152872
Never played Brawl, I take it. And the only thing he really lost in 4 was chain-grabbing.
>all this villain bitching
Part of the problem with the whole smash villain thing is that most Nintendo villains are ass in general and the ones that aren't are already in.
We're not going to get Ganon ever because we have Ganondorf and every incarnation of Ganon that isn't a 2D game is fucking huge, even then using a relative scale he's pretty porky.
We're never going to get blood falcon or whatever his name is because F-Zero is not relevant enough for more characters.
We're never going to get Ridley
So on and so forth.
>>343153093
he was high tier at best in brawl because of his bullshit spot dodge
doesn't matter now, DDD is shit in 4
>>343153125
where's my KI villain?
>>343153125
Funny that the villains, the characters who without them there would be no heroes, are "ass" and "irrelevant", while characters like Corrin, Lucina, Rosalina, Zero Suit Samus, Ice Climbers, and Duck Hunt are perfectly fine.
>>343153257
In Killer Instinct 3.
>>343153125
>they're shit because I say so
>>343144030
ADD JEANNE IN SMASH 5
>>343152551
>Dedede is top-tier
Holy fuck, I didn't know this was the kind of people that complained about smash 4 roster with "muh sakurai bias"
>>343153423
>Not wanting Wonder Red.
>>343144741
Holy shit this
Even if they were instrumental, there's no reason they shouldn't be in
>>343153285
Let's stop and think. Who are some good villains for a smash game that aren't already in smash?
Who would make a good bad guy for Fire Emblem? All the big bads are fuck huge dragons. Everyone else is nowhere near relevant, closest being Black Knight and we already have Ike for those games.
Who would make a good villain for Retro games? People don't care anywhere near as much for the bad guys in those games and a lot of them don't really even have bad guys. Who's the bad guy in Duck Hunt? In Ice Climbers?
Additionally, all these bad guys have to be Nintendo bad guys. Can you think of any good villain other than K-Rool who would be suitable for the game?
Where did you ever get the implication that I said Lucina was alright and why did you even throw Ice Climbers on there when they're not in 4.
>>343153423
>not Eggman
>>343151235
Only 2 attack buttons, and that is what actually matters when it comes to movesets.
Games anyone?
>>343147479
>>343147075
I hate clones entirely because they expand the roster beyond any reasonable limit. Not to mention you have to play as these clone characters if you ever want to do anything besides competitive 1v1 smashing.
>Achievements
Gotta play as 3x Marth, 2x Mario, 2x Pit, and 2x Link
>Random
You've got a higher chance of landing on a Marth than any other character
>Competitive
Because clones aren't 100% similar, you have to learn how their skills work differently compared to their original. Roy can OHKO Jigglypuff from 0 in Melee, Marth definitely can not.
It makes the game worse for the players to include clones. Please, for the love of God, just keep them as costumes. That's pretty much the only way we're going to get a reasonable roster size in 5mash
>>343153741
>Who would make a good bad guy for Fire Emblem? All the big bads are fuck huge dragons. Everyone else is nowhere near relevant, closest being Black Knight and we already have Ike for those games.
Not familiar with that series, bit it can literally be any villain who isn't a giant dragon. Ashnard comes to mind.
>Who would make a good villain for Retro games? People don't care anywhere near as much for the bad guys in those games and a lot of them don't really even have bad guys. Who's the bad guy in Duck Hunt? In Ice Climbers?
Here's the thing: not every game/series needs a villain, but having more would be good.
>Additionally, all these bad guys have to be Nintendo bad guys. Can you think of any good villain other than K-Rool who would be suitable for the game?
King K. Rool
Ridley (fuck Sakurai's "if I change anything he's not Ridley!" bullshit, didn't stop him form changing the rest of the roster however he wanted)
Kamek
Marx
bring Wolf back
Black Shadow to take Ganondorf's moveset
Porky Minch in his smaller EarthBound mecha
Ashnard
Medusa
![ike_battle_sprites__reboot__by_great_aether-d7t0dzl[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/eS9wz2w.jpg "ike_battle_sprites__reboot__by_great_aether-d7t0dzl[1].png")
>>343149379
I wouldn't mind if Ike got some an axe based attack instead of some of his special moves. Counter and Quick Draw could easily be replaced with some other attacks, and Ike would feel and play much better. Quick Draw is only good now that you can cancel it if you time it correctly with the ground. Great gap closer, but it's so easy to fuck up and is completely useless otherwise. Not to mention Little Mac already has it as his B, and Pikachu and Luigi have had it since Melee.
Then just put Lucina and Roy into costumes for Marth and don't bring back Corrin. That way we have just enough Fire Emblem representation, and each lord and Robin is completely unique.
>/v/ is still BTFO to this day about smash predictions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Next time I hope you know that whatever game is hot on the market a character could get in from it, and quit overhyping rival characters as if they're villains.
Oh and indies never ever.
>>343153637
Plenty of reasons, actually, one is getting the rights from the owners of said songs.
>>343154162
I don't mind clones as long as they have big differences. Roy became a semi-clone in 4, which by itself warranted his return. Mario and Doc, Marth and Lucina, Pit and Dark Pit, and Link and Toon Link I agree with, especially because three of those can easily be turned into completely unique characters but Sakurai's too fucking lazy.
>>343154648
>wanting them to waste time and assets on making Dark Pit a completely original character
>>343153093
Spot dodge and chain grab was literally the only thing keeping him relevant in Brawl, and even then, everyone below the top 6 was completely irrelevant, even Pikachu and ZSS, who are higher tier. Brawl meta was:
>Meta Knight
>Snake
>Diddy Kong
>Ice Climbers
>Falco
>Marth
No one else had ANY chance.
>>343153637
They couldn't even get other FF songs for the Midgar stage, so what makes you think they can get fly me to the moon?
>>343154648
No, Roy did not deserve to be in Smash 4. The roster is too fucking big, even without him. There are too many Fire Emblem characters, and I'm fine with just 4.
The problem is how many fucking clones there are. I'd be fine with semi-clones like Ganondorf, Falco, and Luigi sticking around, but everyone else needs to be costume'd
>>343154819
>Brawl meta was:
>meta knight
>ice climbers
fixed
>>343154338
>Ashnard
Rides a dragon during any combat. Back to the point of FE villians almost all of them you just fight once and then they die. Normally they're just some overly ambitious royal.
>K. Rool
While I don't like it I don't hate it. It might work.
>Kamek
We have Bowser and Bowser Jr. for Mario already. Kamek would be better as an assist trophy given the he never actually fights >inb4 ROB
>Marx
We have Dedede as a villian for Kirby and quite frankly they don't need more. 3 is a good number for Kirby >inb4 FE has 6 characters
>Wolf back
No qualms
>Black shadow
No. F-Zero is dead as fuck and fine with Falcon alone.
>Porky
2 characters is good for Mother. Also was a large boss in Brawl >inb4 FE has 6 characters
>Ashnard
See above
>Medusa
Every time we see her she's a giant. We were able to fight Palutena when she was small but we do not know if Medusa can make herself small as well. This is coming from a huge KI fag.
>>343154791
No, think about it.
>all of his melee attacks use a different melee weapon from Uprising
>ranged attacks use various ranged weapons
>animations completely different from Pit
>default weapon is his staff instead of a bow-swords
Boom, now he's unique and a hell of a lot more fun to use.
>>343154338
>Black Shadow to take Ganondorf's moveset
not happening dorffag
>>343154338
Not him but ashnard isn't relevant, ike is a mainstay at this point with two game appearances.
>Ridley
Maybe
>Kamek
Really?
>Marx
Something relating to the true villain dark matter/zero would be miles better
>Wolf
A rival and not a villain ala andross, no
>Black shadow meme
Sakurai ain't changing ganondorf
>Porky
Earthbound is niche
>Medusa
Same with KI even if it's sakurai's new pet, will get ditched for his next one
>>343154501
Ike isn't getting overhauled either
I hate these kind of threads because i always have to answer in autistic ways because anons don't get it.
>>343155051
I love ya, Goroh, but Black Shadow is the villain of F-Zero and I want Ganondorf to have a ZELDA moveset and not a racecar moveset.
>>343154338
>K. Rool
Shitty irrelevant croc that looks awful and is thankfully dead.
>Ridley
Perfect as a boss/stage hazard.
>Kamek
That's fucking reaching.
>Marx
How the fuck would you even add him in as anything other than a boss? As a boss, though? I'd completely accept him. He'd be perfect.
>Wolf
Agreed, but he should get a new skill set instead of his semi-Sm4sh-Falco set.
>Black Shadow taking Ganondorf's moveset
Please don't associate with this, you're tarnishing its validity with your other dumb suggestions
>Porky
What the fuck?
>Medusa
Before Hades? Yeah, no.
>>343144030
makes me believe we might get Bayo 3 for NX also enjoyed playing as her
>>343155191
>>343155107
Fine then, no more villains, rivals, or otherwise non-good characters ever.
So, which side, tertiary, and one-game-only characters do you want in Smash over the retarded stupid irrelevant pointless villains?
>>343155107
>I hate these kind of threads because i always have to answer in autistic ways because anons don't get it.
No fuck you, you're autistic, it's not you just merely pretending. You completely misinterpreted the purpose of my post.
And no one cares what you think Sakurai wants to do. Sakurai does what Sakurai does. There are no consistencies and patterns. King Dedede and Bowser have gotten huge moveset overhauls between games, not to mention Luigi, Falco, Game and Watch, Roy, Lucas, Yoshi, and Pit. Just because you think it won't happen doesn't mean that it's a bad idea, or even that it won't happen. Literally any character can get moveset updates at a whim, since it's happened on 10+ instances before, and happens every game.
How hard were you BTFO?
>>343154994
Snake and Diddy were just as broken as Ice Climbers. In fact, Snake had the best match up with Meta Knight, since he could viably outrange and kill Meta Knight while at a safe distance. Granted, out of the top 4 match ups against MK, they were all like 70/30 at most.
>>343155494
I voted Bayonetta, so not at all.
>>343155362
>any of those
>good villains
If those bar K. Rool, Wolf, and Medusa are considered good villains than you just proved my point that Nintendo villains in general suck.
>>343155494
I only voted for Inklings, but I know they're getting into 5mash anyways, so it's no biggy. Bayonetta was my second choice, but I kinda just wanted the Inklings sooner, rather than later, so if the moveset was lame, they could update it for the next installment.
>>343155613
Why? Because they're Nintendo villains and not Sony/Microsoft villains? Every villain must be an Albert Wesker clone in order to be "good"?
>>343155815
Explain to me what makes Marx or fucking Black Shadow a good villain? Admittedly, Porky is a good villain but he was already a boss in Brawl.
>>343144030
still a shit choice
>plays like shit
>doesn't fit at all
>is not iconic and not nintendo
>>343155815
Jeez, Nintendo fanboys are easily angered.
>>343155557
I'm happy that you got what you wanted anon
>>343155661
I'm sure the wouldn't have changed their moveset to begin with. Adding them in the next game gives them plenty of time to think of something fun!
>>343144030
Very unexpected, but a smart move on Nintendo's part to promote Bayo 2 and gain additional revenue from sm4sh.
>>343155191
Why is bowser a playable character? He would be perfect as a boss/stage hazard.
>>343155140
>*The Creators is the villain(s) of F-Zero
fixed
BS is just a fucking underling of Deathborn (who's a creation by the real villain of F-Zero GX) who piss in his pants went he fucked up on his shit to kill Falcon.
and before GX, he's just a random evil racer like everyone else in X.
outside the non-canon anime, he's nothing but jackshit, a villain trying to act tough but he ain't when his boss is around.
if you know Goroh's long history and rivalry with Falcon in F-Zero you wouldn't bother to bring up this jackass on who should appear playable in Smash.
>>343156040
Bowser kicks ass, that's why.
>>343155362
>>343155426
>Literally this mad because sakurai wont do what they posted on /v/
Ike won't get axes, you'd have to do autistic mental gymnastics to delude yourself. And yes i have to pretend because only autism is spoken here.
But yeah dude literally everything else /v/ thought up was absolutely right, oh wait.
Just read his cool columns and quit setting yourselves up for disappointments.
>>343155908
What makes Bowser and Ganondorf good villains? Bowser is generic dinosaur who wants to rape Peach and Ganondorf is generic baddie who wants to rule the world. The Smash roster isn't decided on by characterizations, especially when Sakurai changes them to fit his vision of the characters.
>>343156040
Because he's not too big, and is playable in many other games. Ridley is fucking gigantic. It's the same reason I don't expect Ganon to be playable, or Nova from Kirby.
>>343156186
>What makes Ganondorf a good villain?
The fact that he did nothing wrong.
>>343144030
FUCK HER COUNTER
JUST DO ONE JAB ON HER AS KIRBY AND YOU'RE STUNNED FOR 30 HOURS AND THEN YOU'RE FUCKING DEAD FROM A SMASH ATTACK
>>343156084
Okay then.
Samurai Goroh with Ganondorf's moveset so he can get a Zelda one. His customs as well so Goroh can punch with his katana.
>>343156169
No, you're legitimately retarded. You thought my post about what would be a good change to Ike was me expecting something. You have 0 reading comprehension and can't understand nuance in opinion.
Like an autist. This is LITERALLY a sign of autism. Another sign? Speaking for other people, assuming you know what they're going to do.
>>343149770
waluigi
>>343156084
I think people want Black Shadow mostly so he can have Ganondorf's current moveset so he can get a new one.
>>343156289
Oh shit, Ganon as a character would be even better than Ridley or King K. Rool. Fuck, why cant it happen?
didn't waste my money because I fucking hate her as a character
>>343154967
But Roy is a semi-clone, you fucking retard.
>>343156357
>Getting this mad
>Getting this mad that an anon said your idea sucked
>Unironically doing moveset posts
No my friend, this is actual autism.
Sakurai doesn't give a fuck about the weapon triangle and corrin will unfortunately return due to actually being unique.
I replied to you to shit on your opinion, not to read your dumb idea.
I don't speak for sakurai, but maybe you should read into how he actually prepares his characters.
Keep being frustrated, it's pretty funny to read.
I didn't even bother correcting your other dumb opinions because i'm not going to go back and forth with an angry /v/ poster possibly posting at 2am.
>>343156289
If they can scale up the Kirby crew and Olimar in order to be playable, they can shrink Ridley down for the same purpose.
>>343144030
Cloud still elicits a "wow I can't believe im playing as this character" feeling every time i pick him.
the sight of cloud, ryu, bayo and pac-man having a slapfight with mario, sonic, pikachu, and donkey kong, on top of eldin bridge from zelda, it's a surreal and exclusively "nintendo" experience.
it's stuff like those feelings that make me feel certain no Original Character smash-clone could ever possibly succeed, cuz the gameplay standard set by melee was a fluke, but the perfect visual design of all these characters meeting and clashing is handled at a masterful level
you can look at Sony's attempt and instantly see the massive gap between the east and west takes on the idea
>>343156321
>Samurai Goroh with Ganondorf's moveset so he can get a Zelda one.
you're dumb as shit kid
go play Hyrule Warriors, retool ain't happening.
>>343156408
>I think people want Black Shadow mostly so he can have Ganondorf's current moveset so he can get a new one.
exactly, neither these fucks played F-Zero and resort to some shitty ganondorf hack they saw at brawlvault to whine about a character they barely know outside f-zero trophies.
i see these fags all over the place in Smashboards, they even hate the idea of Black Shadow being a shitty clone over whatever shit he done in the anime.
what's even better is that they're better off asking for Phantom Ganondorf or Pig Ganon in Smash than a dumb moveset babysitter.
>>343156778
Cloud still elicits a "wow I can't believe im playing as this character" feeling every time i pick him.
the sight of cloud, ryu, mega man and pac-man having a slapfight with mario, sonic, pikachu, and donkey kong, on top of eldin bridge from zelda, it's a surreal and exclusively "nintendo" experience.
it's stuff like those feelings that make me feel certain no Original Character smash-clone could ever possibly succeed, cuz the gameplay standard set by melee was a fluke, but the perfect visual design of all these characters meeting and clashing is handled at a masterful level
you can look at Sony's attempt and instantly see the massive gap between the east and west takes on the idea
bayo can fuck off and doesnt belong
>>343144030
Don't really care. She's just a boring old hag desperately trying to be sexy.
>>343156803
Played F-Zero since SNES, I want Black Shadow so Ganondorf can be fucking Ganondorf instead of Captain Falcon with 100 more pounds. It's funny how you people side with Sakurai about Ridley being smaller somehow destroying his character yet vehemently defend Ganondorf not being fucking Ganondorf.
>>343156940
this is the best description of bayonetta i've ever seen, i cant believe people find her attractive or even interesting, her games are kind of fun but i'd rather play DMC
I hate how insufferable the Smash fanbase is. Especially when it comes to third-party characters.
I remember when the Bayo 2 direct was a thing, the only thing people wanted to talk about before, during AND after it was
>WAAAAAH NO BAYO IN SMASH
It's fucking ridiculous. You even have people like Black Guile or whatever the fuck his name is pretending to be excited about Cloud being in Smash when he couldn't figure out it was FFVII related the second the teaser started with FFVII's intro.
>>343155494
I voted Shantae because why not but I never really thought she had a big chance so if she didn't make it I wouldn't really be surprised
I still ended up winning because Cloud was my dream character for smash but I didn't even bother voting for him because I never thought he had a chance, since Ii always figured he was Goku tier of improbable. I seriously thought that Shantae had more chances than Cloud of getting in
So in the end I was happy with all of it
>>343156803
Samurai Goroh isn't even the most prominent samurai to get put in nigga.
My boy Takamaru seriously need more love. If Pit could get into Brawl with his horrible NES game, Takamaru should get in Smash on the basis of his good Famicom game. Complete the '86 quartet of Link Takamaru Samus and Pit, Sakurai please.
>>343144030
Not that bad, but I wouldn't care if she didn't make it into the next game. I'd rather have Tails if we got another Sega character.
>>343157082
*before, during and after it was
>BAYO FOR SMASH
>WHERE THE FUCK IS SMASH
>WAAAAAH NO BAYO IN SMASH
>>343157082
Don't forget how he said "ZACK OUTFIT?! WE GOT ZACK HERE?!" when they showed his Advent Children alt.
Smash threads are so annoying cause everyone has their own vision as to what they want Smash to be.
I really think keeping Sakurai for so long might have been a mistake. Smash is the type of series that needs constant reevaluating and change in order to keep people happy it seems.
I hope the next one, and all entries beyond that, find a set of devs to give us their own interpretation of what Smash should be, just to keep things fresh and avoid any sort of bias (or people shouting bias).
>>343157118
Sakurai considered Takamaru, if I recall correctly. I think he's the next retro character. Mach Rider and Takamaru have a lot of potential - both in Smash and getting their own new games.
>>343157118
Sorry, despite being in three recent games not even Japan knows who Takamaru is, according to Sakurai. Have Rosalina and Lucina instead, they're fresh new faces everyone loves.
>>343157118
Don't worry he's coming. Especially if sakurai's new game is his franchise.
>>343157109
Shantae still makes sense to me
>Used to be Nintendo exclusive and has a great relationship with Nintendo still
>Would be a good representation for indie gaming which is getting more and more popular
>Fits the overall aesthetic of smash
I don't see any reason she shouldn't be put in. I wish Shantae was published by Nintendo, she probably would've been in Brawl if that were the case.
>>343157257
DESU I think they'd need a game first for consideration. I honestly want a new Murasame Castle game. The game is fun, I like it better than Zelda 1 to be honest, and it's its counterpart.
>>343156954
>I want Black Shadow so Ganondorf can be fucking Ganondorf instead of Captain Falcon with 100 more pounds.
too bad
the Black Bull is the fastest machine in F-Zero, black shadow being even an inch slower than Falcon would be more character breaking than Ganondorf not being all tough and """POWER""ful (think of the triforce for a sec) in Smash. a least he got his choke attack and sword custome.
>It's funny how you people side with Sakurai about Ridley being smaller somehow destroying his character yet vehemently defend Ganondorf not being fucking Ganondorf.
and once again, the dorffag is a dumbass ridleyfag in stealth
haven't seen a metroidfag not getting triggered over the little things like Federation Force of Zero Suit presence in Smash, maybe it's better for Ridley to stay the way he is until Sakurai adds giant fighters into Smash.
>>343157082
The amount of asspain for Corrin and Bayonetta was off the fucking charts. You are right though, and unfortunately almost every single crossover game is doomed to the same fate. It takes the autism from all those games then adds a dash of it's own.
>>343157372
Sakurai added Pit because Nintendo re-released Kid Icarus on GBA and it sold well. I don't think they need a new game to get added.
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/03/22/mewtwo-dlc-takamaru-and-sakurais-nico-nico-appearance/
>>343157182
>>343157082
>DIDNT RECOGNIZE MUH THEME NOT TRU FAN
Oh man he didn't recognize a song immediately after probably not playing the game for like 10 fucking years, also he's a stupid nigger who was lost in the hype, making a simple mistake like thinking it's zack's outfit is excusable. Just because somebody didn't recognize it right away doesn't mean they can't be hyped for a dope ass character out of one of their favorite childhood games getting into smash.
I voted for waluigi because he seemed like a cool candidate
>>343157480
>and once again, the dorffag is a dumbass ridleyfag in stealth
I agree, us Dorffags are a peaceful bunch.
ADD FIORA IN SMASH 5
>>343156289
Ganon would be infinitly better than CF clone
Unless you're an underage talking about TP ganon
>>343157480
Big = slow, that's how it's alwas been in Smash. Captain Falcon doesn't do anything in F-Zero that he does in Smash, how's that for character-breaking? And Ganondorf can still be hugely powerful, he can do it by using a trident, ground punch, energy balls, flaming bats, and other ZELDA things.
>hurr durr you mentioned ridley that mean you ridleyfag narf narf
And you dipshits who ignore someone pointing out your hypocrisy and belching about unrelated shit are worse than any -fag. You're telling me that you're fine with Ganondorf being a shitty clone. Would you also be fine with Bowser being a Donkey Kong clone and King Dedede being an Ice Climber clone?
>>343156362
>party/sports game man
>major
Lmaoing @ ur life
>>343157634
Makes more sense than Rosalina, they pulled Rosalina's moveset out of Sakurai's fucking ass and she's just a shitty replacement for Ice Climbers. Waluigi could have a dope ass moveset based off the sports game and would actually be fun to play. That recent Brawl mod of him was awesome. The only good thing that came from Rosa being in Smash is the extra porn.
>>343157735
You're either getting elma or most likely the new xeno protag
>>343155294
kamiya did say outright there would be a bayonetta 3 if he were given the chance to do so, but he is completely focused on Scalebound for the foreseeable future
>>343144030
Outstanding
>>343157851
He's a pretty iconic and loved character at this point, even if he's not in anything important. He's definitely a better pick than a lot of other characters that have been added.
>>343157257
I wonder how a modern Murasame Castle game would work?
are Ridleyfags at it again? masquerading as Ganondorf/Zelda fans to argue about Ridley?
at least Bowser doesn't look like an Ankoopa in smash. same for decline-era Ganon being a moblin.
>>343149118
My wife
>>343149457
It honestly bothered me to see her get nerfed, not just in terms of her getting hammered down for standing out in the crowd, but because i had this weird mental image for some reason of her being cognizant of how she's suddenly less agile and struggling to do shit that was simple for her before
i spend too much time indoors, to think about shit like this, right?
>>343144030
She didn't really deserve to be in compared to alot of other characters, but I'm not gonna complain
Her strange realism in this nintendo game is a good replacement for Snake, but its still not the same. If Snake and Bayo were both in Sm4sh they would be shipped together so fucking hard
>>343157946
Well, at least three of her special moves are based in Mario Galaxy, more than some other characters can say.
>>343158181
If you agree with Sakurai not putting in Ridley because even the tiniest change would destroy his character, then you should be opposed to Ganondorf remaining a Captain Falcon clone.
>>343157597
You seriously think that black guile actually played the game? cute.
In a video where he tried to analyze a FF15 trailer he admitted that he had only ever played FF13
>making a simple mistake like thinking it's zack's outfit is excusable
That is a simple mistake to you? Zack never wore anything other than the standard SOLDIER uniform, the same one that default Cloud uses, so if you see Cloud using another outfit that doesn't look like his SOLDIER uniform then it would be anything but Zack's outfit
>one of their favorite childhood games
If it was one of his favorite games ever then it you'd expect him to get at least one thing right from the trailer, which he didn't
>>343158415
i honestly really love ZSS/capn falcon as a 'smash ship'
they just seem like they'd genuinely get along for some inexplicable reason
>>343157597
>Oh man he didn't recognize a song immediately after probably not playing the game for like 10 fucking years
How do you know that? Do you know him personally?
>stupid nigger who was lost in the hype
What kind of stupid excuse is "lost in the hype"?
>simple mistake like thinking it's zack's outfit is excusable
Zack pretty much has the same outfit as Cloud. I don't understand how he could confuse Cloud's Advent Children outfit with that.
Also,
>being this much of an apologist for your favoritest e-celeb evar
Go to bed, dude.
>>343158442
Most people are, aside from his side b and down air A
How the hell did NoA allow this?
>>343158653
>probably
nigga learn english
>What kind of stupid excuse is "lost in the hype"?
well the main excuse is that he's a stupid nigger but people get pretty stupid when they're excited
>Zack pretty much has the same outfit as Cloud.
Yes I realise this, like I said he's a stupid Nigger, that doesn't mean he isn't a fan of the game.
>being this much of an apologist for your favoritest e-celeb evar
I don't really care but you people are being idiots
>>343158479
>n a video where he tried to analyze a FF15 trailer he admitted that he had only ever played FF13
well sorry for not watching every fucking video he makes
>If it was one of his favorite games ever then it you'd expect him to get at least one thing right from the trailer, which he didn't
it came out a long time ago senpai people are bound to fuck shit up
>>343158350
Why is there so much porn of Bayonetta being a non domineering bottom bitch?
Even if she was forced into a situation like that she would be more mad and reluctant about the whole thing. She wouldn't be so into it like that image you posted
Goddammit people
>>343144269
The cartoon-aesthetic only half-mattered as of Fire Emblem being in Melee.
And especially now that human/swordsman fighters are a major focus.
>>343145624
Next time, fellow Kremling. We haven't seen the full results of the ballot, but he most likely did pretty well based on how often he was tossed around worldwide. They know he has the support, and he at least got a trophy in both versions and a Mii costume.
>>343145624
Everybody should've known the poll was always going to be geared towards some sort of marketing agenda. And with the impracticality of going to more third-parties in mind too.
That said, even ifmy man Banjodidn't win, Bayo was a cool unexpected addition to the roster, and I was legitimately interested in playing her.She's the closest thing to Dante in Smash too.
>>343145157
Yes. She sounds like absolute shit in Smash.
I don't know if the VA had a cold, or if the person in charge of directing her has brain damage, but Bayonetta sounds awful in this game.
>>343150428
>Sidekick of a sidekick
>He didn't play DKC3
>>343158991
>well sorry for not watching every fucking video he makes
I don't. It is one of the few videos that I have watched from him and in every video he outed himself as a guy who started playing videogames very recently and doesn't really know shit
Incidentally, another video that I watched of him was when Lucas was about to be revealed. one of the people in his twitch chat asked him if he would like to see Kumatora in the game and he replied with something like "I don't even know who that is" and then he proceeded to lose his shit over Lucas calling him his boy and how much he likes Lucas.
>that doesn't mean he isn't a fan of the game.
You can be a fan of a game you haven't played and clearly know nothing about? how does that work?
>it came out a long time ago senpai people are bound to fuck shit up
Then how come this other guy Max who did a video on it identified the opening and music immediately and got everything right?
>>343159468
He's a good choice for 5 at this point. The costume was an obvious bone-throw since the work wasn't viable for their DLC preferences (copies and advertisements).
>>343160012
>You can be a fan of a game you haven't played and clearly know nothing about? how does that work?
that was a different response that wasn't even directed at you and was done before i even read your original response and found out that he never played it before
>Then how come this other guy Max who did a video on it identified the opening and music immediately and got everything right?
because max is a huge FF cuck and has stated many times that FF7 is one of if not his favorite game of all time
>>343155494
Pretty badly.
>>343156186
Hey Bowser has personality in the RPGs at least.
>>343159508
What people need to engrave in their fucking skull is that the ballot wasn't an election; it was never implied that whoever got the most votes would get in the game. It was a sugestion box and a poll to see what the audience would want for a tentative Smash 5.
>>343156302
>use kirby's nair
>witch time
>still spinning like a motherfucker
>Bayos smashes cant fucking touch you
>if you touch her again, witch time gets dropped
>>343160649
Honestly. As much as I wanted K. Rool I knew they were going to pick someone people didn't expect let alone want. Damn near all of the people saying they voted for Bayonetta are lying through their teeth, these things have to be planned in advance to work. That's how you make something successful or work correctly, plan ahead. Corrin/Bayo were worked on way before they were shown, it supposedly takes a year to make a character, and those two are 'unique'.
And if it doesn't, Hackurai once again shows his hypocrisy.
>>343160609
And Miyamoto hated that, along with everything else about the Paper Mario games before Sticker Star.
>>343160292
>FF7 is one of if not his favorite game of all time
Exactly. it is his favorite game and he still got everything right, even when you said before that it can be your favorite game and still somehow get everything wrong because you "get lost in the hype". That clearly wasn't the case for someone who truly cares for the game
You also said before
>it came out a long time ago senpai people are bound to fuck shit up
That still didn't stop Max from getting everything right
The point is that nigger guile clearly doesn't really know anything about it and just pretends for views. His chimpouts that he calls reaction videos all seem fake really
>>343160891
You are talking like it didn't take them months to get the job done for just two characters.
>>343161161
I'm saying it took them months to make them. You think they were whipped up immediately after Oct. 3rd?
>>343160917
Miyamoto hates non-simplistic stories in games period, and his "innovation works" thinking hasn't worked in years. The guy's lost it.
Regardless the guy you replied to has his point still.
>>343144030
Great addition. Hopefully she doesn't pull a Snake and actually comes back for the eventual sequel.
>>343161291
Bowser has none of that personality in Smash, though. He's generic giant dragon-turtle with generic monster sounds.
>>343161330
Nintendo basically owns her, so she already stands a much better chance than anything claimed by that pachinko company.
Anyone noticing even after the nerfs people still dont know what fucking DI is? Like I cant do her dab kick>dab kick>fair 1>up b>double jump> up b because of the horibble nerf her side b got but I cant still do just about anything else on 90% of the people I play
>>343155494
I voted for Toad, Mach Rider, Medusa, Bandana Dee, Ryu Hayabusa and Simon Belmont. I got btfo pretty hard, but it's no big deal. Mark my words - we will get Toad someday.
>>343161564
>I cant still do just about anything else
*I still can
fuck I need sleep
>>343155557
My nigga, I also voted for Bayonetta. Never thought she'd win in all honesty.
>>343161636
Because people are caught off guard DIng toward you instead of away from you
>>343144030
should have been snake
>>343161864
should have been a lot of characters
snake, wolf, k.rool, rayman, waluigi, etc
>>343162017
wolf was just... such a NO BRAINER? i really cannot get over it
minimal effort to port him from brawl, just give him his SF Zero skin and 7 lazy color swaps
not like balancing is an issue sakurai was concerned about, clearly, and knowing that they bothered with all the effort of adding an entirely new and unwanted character as one of the last additions, it just blows my mind they wouldn't throw in wolf as a freebie.
>>343161291
Nah, Miyamoto simply dislikes the idea of his lovechild Mario having a story that isn't: "Bowser kidnapped the Princess, go save her". And while he is still alive, every dev will have to listen to his input when it comes to Mario games.
But the man also created Pikmin, which is a game with a pretty interesting world and surprisingly dark story.
>haven't played sm4sh
>was still happy to see her added to the roster
>would like her to sit on my face
I was interested at first. But then I heard about her bullshit 0-death combos and actually played against her and she's just shit.
>>343162768
I haven't played, and I don't fucking remember who that last character was. It was another FE character, right? Some irrelevant hack who never made it overseas.
>>343163281
That all got nerfed recently. Hell even Sheik got spanked a bit, going off that humiliating Zero/Palutena loss.
>>343163308
the last 2 characters were bayonetta and the Robin equivalent (dual-gender MC) from the new Fire Emblem yes.
the game came out overseas (censored and heavily rewritten, but whatever) and sold like fucking gangbusters despite the overwhelming amount of shit and flak nintendo got over how butchered it was.
the only redeeming factor is that Fem Corrin is pretty sexy.
>>343153805
>he doesn't attack with rope snake
Shame on you.
>>343163525
Oh, I remember now. Yeah that character actually looked pretty fucking awesome. Only problem is Super Smash Bros became Fire Emblem & Friends.
>>343158442
ganny getting fully decloned ALONE is more likely to happen than adding mr. xenomorph ripoff or some batman looking speed racer just being there as a ''''''placeholder''''''
honestly the black shadow meme is much more stupider than the 5 people hoping some random hyrulian guard or Lloyd from Mother 1 taking snake's moveset.
and bagan '''new''' classic ridley mod look gay and clunky af
>>343163767
well it doesn't bother me so much since sakurai admitted he voiced concerns over adding so much FE and it was his supporting staff that encouraged him to include Corrin
It's kind of incredible that the roster faggotry hasn't at all changed.
>>343146643
>Lucario is a mewtwo clone.
Kill yourself.
>>343153423
she has an alt palette that's basically close enough
sakurai has this thing now where he dislikes having 2 characters fill one roster spot, hence ZSS and Sheik got their own slots, Dark Pit and Lucina and Dr Mario all got their own slots
Alph was supposed to get his own slot with Rock Pikmin but it didn't pan out.
i think he mentioned it when people were asking him why Shadow wasn't an "alt" for Sonic, cuz he feels like it takes away from the character's individuality.
>>343163894
It bothers me even more that he knew that we were tired FE characters and he was as well, but let himself get pushed into putting one in anyway.
>>343147075
Roy plays differently enough that I'd rather he stay, but Lucina can easily be a Marth skin/costume/color. Don't know why they didn't do that in the first place.
That said
where my axe boys at.
>>343149118
feels good chow mein
>>343150095
>"she" in jap dev interviews
That's on the translators dude, specific pronouns are rarely used in japanese.
Sub-Zero would have been cooler
>>343167594
nIce
Disappointed that there's almost no crossover porn of her dominating Nintendo characters.
>>343144030
Not another animu swordsperson.
No complaints.
