And this is why Nintendo will always be successful.
You will be missed, Mr. Iwata.
>>343079723
>children judge products based on irrational acts instead of rational ones
Wow, nice thing to be proud of.
>>343079723
man children*
>>343079723
that's real fucking neato Mr. Iwata but have you considered adults have full paying jobs and can actually blow far more money on video games than children, and also are the largest demographic of video game players?
maybe you should haunt mr kimishima and tell him to put some real hardware in the NX, so that someone besides autistic manchildren will spend money on it and kids won't start crying when they open the box on christmas.
>>343079723
>That's because children judge products based on instinct
Is that why the Wii U bombed while the PS4 and Xbone are outselling it?
Brand loyalty desu, nintendo fans suffer from super autism.
>>343080117
who buys the children their games?
ADULTS.
You're retarded.
>>343079908
What the fuck does this even mean.
A game only matter if it's fun or not, which children have the best immediate instinct to judge.
People here will defend any trash they purchased while kids don't give a fuck, they will give you the most honest opinion of a game you can get.
>>343079723
>manchildren that act on principle before reason judge products based on emotionalism rather than rationalism
Wow, sure feels nice wearing it like a badge huh
>>343080443
"Instinct" is useless to judge anything. It's pure mysticism. To judge a product's quality, you have to think critically, in other words, you need to examine the product in an objective way.
Judging something on "instinct" is just dumb brand loyalty. Nostalgia doesn't help either.
More like children and the parents that buy them games are the easiest to fool.
>>343080881
Oh yeah dude, you're so cool, you've never fell for a marketing gimmick once!!
>>343080149
yes actually.
even children look at the gamepad and most of them think it's stupid, don't enjoy playing with it. only autists try incredibly hard to justify all of Nintendo's terrible decisions. The sales speak for themselves.
>>343080435
yeah which is why most kids play CoD, Halo and Uncharted these days and have no clue who the fuck Mario or Link is.
good parents don't buy their kids shitty games.
>>343080443
children are bad at video games. you will never see a 10 year old kid win a street fighter tournament, unless that kid's name is Daigo and it's 1991. and in such case, that kid grew up into being a fightan legend and won in the year when barely anyone else had spent as much time on SF.
when you're a kid games like ocarina of time can seem challenging. when you're an adult the game just seems like a breeze even on hero mode.
children are the reason games like pokemon which are basically the same game every generation keep selling. they've never been and never will be a good source of objective judgement on video games.
>>343080768
The whole concept of video games is simulation. If you can simulate "instinct" then im pretty sure you are doing it a pretty good job. And you do require a lot of critically thinking to simulated something as complex as instinct (or get close to it).
>>343079908
>mad sonygger
>kids dont deserve to have video games despite the fact that you played them as a child and as a man child
>>343080768
If that's the case then everyone will objectively choose one product to support, "The Objective Best One"
Children prioritize fun which can be argued is the most important aspect in game design. As we grow older we learn more about technology, graphics, gameplay, controls and how all these factors make up fun and we judge them accordingly. Losers tend to value narrative focused games and depressed people tend to like JRPGS. Kids just like to have quick mindless fun.
Don't pretend to be smart.
>>343079723
>have tons of money
>can't even make 1st party games for your won system
Remember that the xbox is beating the wii u
>>343080443
So if there was a game where I could chop off your mother's head and balls, you'd be ok with that? After all, it's fun.
>>343080768
wtf is "objective way" in examining video game?
>>343081131
>Losers tend to value narrative focused games
Are you saying dudebros are losers for liking Uncharted and TLOU?
>>343081145
>mlp hat
kids these days...
>>343079723
>and this is why that fuccboi Iwata died
>>343080991
Falling for a gimmick and defending a company that is gimmick incarnate is two different things.
Sony fags have ruined everything ever since the PS3 came out.
Everybody wants a "cinematic" experience, just look at the Uncharted series, the Last of Us, which barely even has any fucking gameplay besides shooting and running.
Nowadays if you want a FUN game you're considered a manchild.
It's like people play games just to play games and call themselves gamers.
Tell me why the average PS4 owner only has 4 games MAX, out of hundreds of games they barely even have any.
It's all Netflix machines now, it's over.
The fun is done, it's over.
NX will bomb and Nintendo will go full mobile or third party, I give it two years.
Cap this.
>>343081131
Is there really a link between depressed people and JRPGs?
>>343079908
Instinct connotes intuition.
Intuition means your right about something, though you may not know yet know why.
He's saying kids judge products that they know are good, whereas adults like yourself get caught in the dross of social acceptance or pretensions, that hold them back from enjoying things they would otherwise enjoy.
>>343081258
that's littlest petshop you dumb nigger
>>343081387
>Nowadays if you want a FUN game you're considered a manchild.
You're a manchild for not understanding that the industry dosen't need to carter to you tastes.
>>343081387
>N64 was better because you played with your friends!
>PS4 has a share button
>LOL quit being social with that facebook button!
>>343081159
doesn't really mean shit, Wii U just has limited 3rd party support. It has good exclusives in spades, but that's it.
Xbox 2 or w/e will get destroyed by the NX.
>>343080991
I did.when I was a kid
>>343081258
>>343081473
haha epicly funny guys *upvoted* xD
Children are disgusting non-humans, but their one saving grace is their love for video games.
>>343081468
>your
>>343081597
>hanging out with friends and playing n64 together in person is the same as a normiebook attentionwhore button
>>343081250
>Are you saying dudebros are losers
Yes, even without the rest of the sentence.
>>343081927
It literally is the modern equivalent of it. Not that a NEET like you could understand.
![1355739283325[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PC6HU1C.jpg "1355739283325[1].jpg")
But don't they know that children nowadays prefers playing minecraft on their iphones and ipads?
>>343081468
Intuition can be wrong
>>343082067
That's why nintendo is dying.
>>343081964
Except they're not. /v/ are the losers. Dudebros are the winners.
>>343081927
Is that why Splatoon doesn't have voice chat?
>>343082023
I know it's bait, and yet it still hurts knowing this is an actual sentiment people have
Nintendo always been and always will be a failure that sometimes hit the jackpot hard and get a fuckton of money.
The famicom should have slayed nintendo, but they were lucky as fuck and thrived.
It was a gamble of 2.5 million of consoles on a era that anything that tried to go against atari sold less than a million, and all paid in fucking advance, AND that suffered a massive failure that required a complete recall of the systems and relaunch.
The same can be said about pokemon (game in development hell for 6 freaking years), yakuza, the Wii, DS, tetris...
>WARNING! INTRUDER IN SECTION 8! TERMINATE WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!
was this necessary?
>>343079723
>children don't know any better
>thats why we pander to them
Kids love minecraft more than they love all of Nintendo's games combined
How do nintendrones defend this fact since children are apparently all that matter?
>>343082067
Yeah but will Minecraft 2 do well? Pretty much everything that has "taken" Nintendo's audience barely live past their 1st entry. Remember when Angry Birds was the new Mario?
>>343082243
it's so that little kids don't hear the colorful language of tryharding manchildren with anger issues (i.e. /v/) and soccer moms don't flip their shit and cost them sales
>>343082105
No it can't. That's why it's called "intuition."
To intuit something. To infer something rightly about something else.
>>343082516
Pretty sure there are more adults playing splatoon.
>>343082489
This is advanced idiocy.
>>343082441
>>343081545
I never said they have to.
Did you ever learn how to read?
>>343082374
>yakuza
>tetris
>Nintendo
???
>>343082489
>Minecraft 2
>implying they even need to create one.
Same reason why we don't have a World of Warcraft 2.
>>343082624
Intuition
Noun
a thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning
It does not mean it is right. It means it isn't rationally explained. Way to validate the stereotype of the dumb nintenyearold.
>>343079723
>not realizing that children have become swept up in the desire to be "mature" and "hardcore" and as a result will throw away a game unless it has sex and guns and killing in it
>forgetting that your average child hates working for something, and so will throw away challenging games and pick up a "cinematic experience" instead
>forgetting that children often fall prey to peer pressure and will buy the latest call of duty, even if it's just to fit in at school
And this is why you're dead, Mr. Iwata. You were callously blind to the obvious.
>>343079908
>"le video le games le I le mean le interactive le entertainment le are le art"
>>343082657
Is that real
>>343079940
DELETE THIS!!!
>>343082836
>Same reason why we don't have a World of Warcraft 2.
Games don't stay successful forever and at some point a sequel is needed. I haven't looked it up but surely Minecraft isn't still selling at the same rate.
>>343083458
>I haven't looked it up but surely Minecraft isn't still selling at the same rate.
You're kidding, right? It's become even more popular ever since Microsoft bought it and started advertising it like crazy.
>>343083458
I would ascribe that to the game being awful and the rise of free to play. There's no real reason to make a sequel to an MMO unless it's too old to run on people's computers anymore or you want to do a complete overhaul of the mechanics that can't be patched in without pissing off the player base.
>>343082632
well that's the reasoning, regardless of the actual demographics (not to mention nintendo seems to actively ignore that they have adult fansespecially NoA)
>>343079940
>wii sells more than quadruple it's predecessor, one and a half times more than the prior record
what the fuck even happened with that godforsaken thing? did they preform a goddamn blood sacrifice? is that why iwata bit the dust?
>>343079723
Fuck him, he was a piece of shit who ruined Nintendo. The man spent his last few years desperately flip flopping, failing miserably to make Nintendo seem hardcore with an underpowered gimmicky toaster with a library of mostly 2D platformers made for 7 year olds after it became apparent all the casuals who bought the Wii in droves weren't coming back, I sincerely hope he fucking drowned in his blue ocean.
>And this is why Nintendo will always be successful.
pic unrelated
>>343080117
Also while making the NX more powerful than the other consoles make the new first party Call of Pikmin game and other mature games for mature gamers. That would be just so we cant recognise the company anymore....a soup of the same things from the same 3 companies. Like 2 weren't enough
>>343083991
>not to mention nintendo seems to actively ignore that they have adult fans especially NoA
The way I see it, I don't think Nintendo ignore their adult fans. I think they know the Nintendo directs are enough for their adult fanbase to learn about the games. For example if you're an adult Nintendo fan you probably already know about Breath of the Wind, Color Splash, Pokemon Sun & Moon and know far more about them than any advert could tell.
Their TV adverts are family orientated because that's the people, the mass audience they want to inform who probably aren't already aware of the games but are part of Nintendo's target.
>>343082876
How does that help your argument any?
Dumb Sonyfriend, Xbro, PCshmuck.
Children are also easy as fuck to manipulate and placate.
>>343084213
First to tap into the market now filled by iPhone casuals. Parents loved it because kids are moving around and any idiot can play Wii Sports.
>>343084558
By "ignoring their adult fans" he meant "they're not releasing games adults can enjoy."
Everything you listed are children's games.
>>343079723
HOWEVER
>>343084213
Because it sold purely as a gimmick to casuals, it was a fluke pure and simple that can never be repeated
>>343079723
He irony is that is actually the more mature and sophisticated gamers who understand how utterly essential Nintendo are to the industry.
It's embarrassing and saddening to see so many uncultured, juvenile morons on this board who actually WANT to Nintendo to fail. Completely oblivious to the reality that Nintendo has continually saved the entire medium from stagnation over the years.
>>343085142
Trying to post on a fone fucking sucks.
>>343081426
Nintendo's old president said that
>>343085142
>utterly essential to the industry
They are dismissing your post because you think too highly of yourself and Nintendo.
>>343085142
>oblivious to the reality that Nintendo has continually saved the entire medium from stagnation over the years.
How did they do that? Be propagating the exact same stagnation as their competition? Because that's hardly "being saved" to me.
>>343084213
People thought it promoted a healthy lifestyle in the middle of a fitness fad and it was dirt cheap.
That's literally it.
>>343084914
>it was a fluke pure and simple that can never be repeated
It's pretty silly to call it a fluke that they can't repeat when The Wii itself was a replication of the Nintendo DS' touch generations success to in the first place.
>>343079723
>Children choose products based on instinct
No they choose it based on memes. Children are literally a meme organism that can't think for themselves.
>>343085349
Do you really need me to point all the innovations in game design, gameplay mechanics and controller innovation people have ripped off for the past 30 years?
Which part of the NX will be ripped off by its competitors?
>>343085476
All Nintendo consoles have been declining in sales since the first one. The ONLY console that sold better than the previous one was the Wii. Again, all the others have sold less than the previous ones.
>>343085694
Like what?
>>343085349
>Not understanding
This is why you're a moron.
>>343085694
That kind of stuff stoppe after the gamecube era. Any "innovation" after that was usually detrimental to the industry as a whole. For example, controller-wise, I don't want to waggle or use a gyro or a gamepad, or a touch screen. I just want a regular controller f my choosing. Enough wasting my time and money with gimmicks.
>>343084213
it was a relatively cheap gimmick console with a lot of good games
gimmicks these days are either expensive as fuck, have no good games, are shit gimmicks, or a combination of the three
>>343079723
>Calling manchildren children
>>343085731
>All Nintendo consoles have been declining in sales since the first one. The ONLY console that sold better than the previous one was the Wii. Again, all the others have sold less than the previous ones.
It's the same with Nintendo handhelds. The DS was a similar size increase over the GBA as the Wii was over the GC.
What I was saying is that they released two pieces of hardware in a row that tapped into the exact same greater market share. Which shows it is something that can be replicated and wasn't a fluke.
>>343085917
I understand that this post reeks of bias.
>no you guys, Nintendo is the only good company in this industry! everyone else is evil corporates who hate fun and want to kill video games!
Yeesh.
>>343086290
It's true though, if Nintendo didn't push innovation we may not have even had analog controllers as standard until the 6th generation as opposed to the 5th.
>>343079723
If Iwata was right, then he wouldn't be dead
>>343086556
>it's true though, if Nintendo didn't push innovation we may not have even had analog controllers
We shouldn't have had analog to begin with. Games should've learned to use KBM from the get-go instead of weak substitute controllers. They helped hold games back just as much as any other company.
>>343084352
REMOVE THIS WII U DOESNT EXIST
>>343086556
>Nintendo popularized the analog stick with the N64.
>>343081258
You missing it because his hat's not on, but that's actually Perry the Platypus
>>343079940
>The company still on black 28 out of 31 year
meanwhile at sony
>>343084352
>pic unrelated
>worst selling console
>still make money
>best Attachment Rate
you definition of success is just amount of sales of hardware?
please, never run a business
>>343087959
Not trying to shitpost, but I would like to see what that chart looks like after the Wii, which was clearly a fluke, and handhelds are removed.
>>343088271
So why don't Nintendo just goes third party then :^)
>>343088375
>and handhelds are removed.
this is like asking to remove console from PS line
the company is a whole. I would love to see then Sony current Finances without PS+ money
English translation anyone?
>>343088759
Nintendo usually profit off their hardware. The only exception is the 3DS after the price cut >>343087959 where you can see their loss in 2011-2012 from slashing the price of the 3DS.
Their games ability to sell hardware at a profit is a massive incentive for Nintendo to keep making their own hardware.
>>343079940
It's at 13 or 14 million now
>>343083160
No, because his parents actually hate him.
>>343089176
But you said hardware didn't matter
>>343088375
So we can see that the parts aren't the same size as the whole and not all parts are equal? What would that accomplish?
>children
>playing nintendo games
>playing video games in general
I think this industry survives primarily from adult consumers
>>343089476
Id ont in the overall picture, Nintendo dont need ot sell the buttloads S nad M does, their mix of hardware profit + strong 1st party attachment rate + extremely controlled games budgets = lots of profits
I would put down money that making BotW is not as expensive as FallOut 4 or Skyrim even when the game seems to be have a better scope in size, physics and combat
>>343079723
That's sound and all, just remember that adults are grown up children too.
>>343087959
Yeah, won't stop the tweens on this board from proclaiming that a company founded in 1889 will be out of business in 5 years.
Why anyone even want that anyway is beyond me.
>>343089503
adult babies yes
>>343090232
>Why anyone even want that anyway is beyond me.
>I want Nintendo games
>I want 3rd party trash
>Media tells me not to buy Nintendo cause lol
>I want Nintendo games on my 3rd party console
>JEEZ NINTENDO SHOULD GET OUT OF BUSINESS AND PORT THEIR GAMES TO MY CURRENT CONSOLE OF ALLEGIANCE
>>343088375
>>343084914
>retarded "hardcore" gamer thinks the wii was a fluke and not a smart blue ocean business strategy that they also did with the NES
>>343084572
It means youre fucking wrong retard. Unless your intuition is telling you otherwise. Fuck wit.
>>343085142
Hows the weather up there you pompous fuck. Jesus christ, some of you faggots are unbearable.
>>343080443
On the contrary a lot of kids blindly eat up whatever new game you hand them and have fun as long as they are playing vidya. Babysitted my neighbors boys 5 and 8 when they went out to a show. They wanted to play vidya so set the younger one up with MK7 on 3ds and the older one with Crash Bandicoot 2. They played for about an hour coming in 8th place every race/repeatedly dying on the first level but had an absoulte blast playing regardless.
>>343091259
the same could be said of hardcore gamers. spending hours on the new fad as a distraction no matter how bad the game is
>>343090696
>Media tells me not to buy Nintendo cause lol
Do you still believe this "everyone has it out against Nintendo" meme? Game journos are more than happy to praise mediocre games from them, as long as it gets them clicks.
>>343091549
bayonetta 2 is good though
>>343089114
"Video games was a mistake"
>>343091549
Looks like the stupid general public likes this game as much as those crafty, lying reviewers. You are the only one whose opinion matters
Yes, which makes them the least discerning customers a company could have. Kids just like flashy graphics and colors. Thats why cartoons and shit are colorful and have whacky characters. Because kids are simple and easy to entertain.
You appeal to the lowest form of customer, nintendo.
>>343091650
So says kotaku and polygon and IGN. And let's just say they're not the most trustworthy sources.
>>343085142
yeah a company as bad as Nintendo needs to exist to make Sony and Microsoft look better than they really are
>>343092079
a lot of other reviewers and actual players of the game seem to agree. i guess you're the only one who's right though
>>343091741
I'm a Nintendofag and I still kek'd.
>>343092190
>it's popular, thus it's good
How about no.
>>343091950
>Kids just like flashy graphics
a lot of "hardcore" gamers like flashy graphics
>>343092079
Bayonetta 2 is fucking solid senpai.
>>343091950
I certainly never see pc fags on here incessantly bragging about superior graphics and muh 60fps.
>>343092372
i didn't say that but if a game is praised among people who like action games then it's probably a good action game. if a game is popular for being a cinematic cover shooter then godspeed to the people who like that garbage. they aren't the same thing. nice try though
>>343091950
Another moron who thinks Nintendo are for kids based on aesthetics alone.
God fucking forbid you contemplate abstract thoughts like level-design, gameplay mechanics and player/controller amalgamation.
>>343085142
>saved the entire medium from stagnation
All those Mario games and Zelda games certainly aren't stagnant!
>>343091549
But the user and reviewer score for bayonetta matches up nicely
While the uncharted 4 review score does not match the user score
That to me says the bias is towards sony
>>343081046
Lol your opinion is shit and makes you sound like an edgy 13 year old that obviously had a biased against nintendo.
Kids like what they like. Like you and me, they have their own opinion and taste. I'm a father with kids and I own Sony and Nintendo systems and he likes both but if he had to pick, he would rather play a Mario or Zelda game. It's what he prefers. And when it comes to the playstation, he prefers to play games that you can play on the wii like Disney infinity or Skylanders or some shit like that.
>>343084213
Everyone I knew who bought a Wii got one for Wii Sports or Wii Fit.
I'm the only person in my county who actually bought a Wii to play Zelda.
>>343079723
>why Nintendo will always be successful
Because they pander to the easiest demographic to please?
>>343092895
Nintendo just owned E3 with one Zelda game. Where have you been?
>>343092454
>>343092691
>>343092943
Again you're using the argument that "alot of people like it, thus it's good".
Game journalists and "critics" do not know what they're talking about, and should never be trusted. If they like a game, then it's 99% guaranteed to be a bad game. Otherwise, why else would they like it? Don't forget that these same people opted for games to have a "skip gameplay" button.
>muh broken clock is right twice a day
Not an argument. If a clock is wrong 99% of the day, then it's a bad clock. Keeping it around just to hope it's right at some point is folly.
>>343080117
>>343081046
>I'm 17 and only play mature games for real gamers like myself, look at my shelf filled with uncharted 4© and The™ Last™ of™ Us™
>>343093137
I don't understand
You keep posting non Nintendo games that the critics love while telling me critics always give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt
>>343091485
Not the same thing at all. Remember we are discussing instinctively judging vidya. Kids blindly eat up shit because they don't know any better and are legimately having fun. Adults don't blindly eat up the shit but rather do it with a fully aware conscious they aren't enjoying it while trying to convince themselves it isn't shit often to justify the purchase.
The point still stands and Iawata is correct with his statement. Children judge games instinctively while adults often dont. However this doesn't mean Nintendo products are superior like OP and others ITT are implying because children's taste is extremly shallow and they are entertained with just about any vidya. It just so happens nintendo products are the ones these children are judging because thier parents buy games targeted to children for their children.
>>343093137
>Again
i didn't use that argument the first time, that was your strawman. the second time i said if it's praised among action games then it's probably a good action game. if it's one of those uninspired dot pixel garbage walking simulators then godspeed to those people who like it. maybe you should read what i posted and try really hard to understand what i'm saying to you instead of conjuring up strawmen. get an adult to help you if you need
>>343093347
I could post Ocarina of Time, ANY Mario game, or any game like Splatoon or Donkey who received relatively high scores compared to their competition. The point is that /v/ unanimously declared that all of these games were bad, and that the game journalists were idiots for praising them.
So you can't just go back and say "oh Kotaku is completely right and full of smart people! they praised the newest Mario!". You can't do that, it's hypocritical.
>>343093595
>the second time i said if it's praised among action games then it's probably a good action game
But why? When does opinion become fact here? Look at TLOU, people would swear by how good they thought the multiplayer was, but does that instantly make it a good shooter or multiplayer title?
>if it's one of those uninspired dot pixel garbage walking simulators then godspeed to those people who like it
See, you're passing judgement right now on those kinds of games even when they receive critical acclaim, the same thing you lambasted me for. The double standard is real.
>>343093789
the point im making is that people who like those type of games are going to give it high scores. i don't like cinematic cover shooters or pixel walking simulators so i can't agree on reviewers for those scores. i can however agree with the reviewers if they highly score a game i liked for the same points i liked. not once did anyone say "it got high scores THEREFORE the game must be good", it's quite the opposite. you haven't convinced me why anyone should be this black and white with trusting reviewer scores, or why anyone should treat every single reviewer the same
>>343081046
>most kids play CoD, Halo and Uncharted these days and have no clue who the fuck Mario or Link is.
>good parents don't buy their kids shitty games.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just a fucking idiot.
>>343081668
>Xbox 2 or w/e will get destroyed by the NX.
Holy shit, you guys are fucking DELUSIONAL. You honestly want me to believe that crap? Sony is coming out with an update on their console too, and you think anyone outside of Japan and a niche market here in the US/ EU is gonna give a shit about the NX? Well see about that one.
>>343094615
So in other words, it sounds like you're happy to hold a bias as long as it's in your favor. That seems counter-intuitive to the situation.
Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to separate myself from all bias. i will judge a game based on what I think a game should be, regardless of user scores or praise from critics or the budget involved, or the people making it. For example, when I look at Bayonetta 2 and Uncharted, this is what I see:
>muh realistic graphics and HD lighting and millions of dollars in physics engines
>sex, violence, killing, mature themes that children want to see because they want to look older
>cinematics everywhere
>casual gameplay (I've played games of FTL that put Infinite Climax AND Uncharted's hard mode to shame)
>DRM due to poor console hardware and poor console controls
So therefore, I consider both these games to be mediocre Which is a shame, I enjoy hack and slashes and shooters from time to time, but I have high standards, so I can't make exceptions even if they're popular with game journos.
>>343095076
>So in other words
there you go again. i don't hold any biases either, i just happen to like the game. critics happen to like it too, that's after the fact. and after the fact, i happen to agree with them because they happen to hold the same opinion in this instance. i don't know why you expect me to deliberately go against my own opinion because a critic liked the game too
>>343095534
My point is that you can't tell me a game is good unless you give me unequivocal fact backed up with logic. Opinions and popularity do not make a game good. That's my point, the one I was arguing earlier.
>>343084213
Cheapest next-gen console with an attractive gimmick.
Plus, they pandered to the casual audience when back then there weren't smartphones.
>>343096253
>next-gen
250 mhz overclock /= next-gen
>>343096619
Yeah, it was a fucking Gamecube, but it was a new console, and by far the cheapest one, so they went in for that.
>>343079723
I'M NOTTA KID DAMMIT
>>343095850
ok and my point was you should be able to like a game regardless of whether a critic liked it too, we seem to agree on this if im not mistaken.
i can't tell you why i like a game based on uneqivocal fact since video games are 90% subjective. i like the fluid game mechanics, variety of enemies and bosses, and i like the art style and it can be quite challenging. it's a solid action game that has a focus on gameplay which is more than i can say for the last of us or undertale
Not going to lie, as a nintendrone I really dislike how their games never drop in value ever. It's nice that that means they almost always pull profit from them, but I don't want to drop 60 dollars on NSMBU.
Also fuck NoA not even talking exclusively about censorship but that's a discussion for another thread.
>>343079723
except children dont support nintendo, unless he means manchildren who buy amiibos. children want call of duty bullshit. maybe if nintendo games were as good as they were in the 90s then children would suport them.
>>343096619
generations are determined by the time they come out you retarded faggot
>>343096894
>ok and my point was you should be able to like a game regardless of whether a critic liked it too, we seem to agree on this if im not mistaken.
Okay, this is a point I can see on.
>i like the fluid game mechanics, variety of enemies and bosses, and i like the art style and it can be quite challenging. it's a solid action game that has a focus on gameplay which is more than i can say for the last of us or undertale
See, anyone can use those arguing points for Undertale or TLOU, especially if they're like kids who don't understand a properly difficult game. They're just buzzwords really, that's why I have a problem with game journos. They rely on buzzphrases like "fun" and "comfy" and "unique". But those connotations don't hold meaning. They're flavor text meant to make you feel good.
>>343079723
I agree, that's why I also love epic youtubers like pewdipie. They are so funny and random. Us kids just are better and smarter than adults.I enjoy playing Nintendo games from time to time but this quote is bad
Literally nothing wrong with this, video games are for children and manchildren. Thanks for staying true to the genre Nintendo.
t. manchild
>>343097218
they don't make me feel good, the game makes me feel good. i don't care what people say about undertale or tlou because im not interested in them.
tell me how im supposed to review a game based on fact, give me an example by reviewing a game you like and only use facts
>>343097572
Yes, the new Paper Mario sure is amazing :)
>>343097653
>tell me how im supposed to review a game based on fact
Alright then. I'll give you a brief rundown of my favorite game of 2015. It's not a popular game, so I don't blame you if you can't guess it.
>16 different bosses
>4 worlds with 8 levels in each
>8 different weapons which can be upgraded
>full keyboard and mouse integration with controllers
>runs at a stable 60 FPS and can run at 1080p (I believe)
>no DRM required, which means if you don't like steam or origin or console hardware, you can buy it directly from the developer website
>costs only 5 dollars
There you go. A brief rundown of the game's many features and positives, all of which can be proven true and aren't tainted by personal bias.If you want to throw in personal opinion, then be my guest, but if someone tries to push a game as "objectively good" then they need more than just comfy buzzwords.
They will always be successful as long as they have pokemon, mario and zelda
>>343093789
>/v/ is one person
Oh boy, you're one of those shitposters.
>>343098191
i didn't think you'd just list the features of the game. they are facts, i'll give you that but it doesn't tell me how good the game is. one might say it doesn't have enough bosses or worlds. i can't tell how good the game is without playing it myself.
>>343089503
>children
>playing video games in general
The console and PC gaming industry mostly survives off of teens and adults, yes.
Eventually children move away from smartphone/ipad shit and onto real games though, or so that's what I've noticed.
Though I do agree that Nintendo's primary target audience is now late teens, nostalgic adults and autistic manchildren. They desperately keep aiming at children and families to fill the void of casuals that the Wii left, but fail time and time again. I think their only recent and moderate success in this regard is Splatoon, which managed to pull in both children and older teens/adults.
>>343098641
I'll give you another piece of information then: it's a sidescrolling shooter in the vein of Contra and Assault Suit Valken. Average user playtime is 2-3 hours. If you were to collect all of the cutscenes and dialog and text in the game, you wouldn't be able to make more than a 5 minute video, which means you're spending more time PLAYING the game, instead of WATCHING it. Something """games""" like TLOU and Bayonetta don't quite understand yet. What with their 40 hours of cutscenes and voice acting and expository dialogue.
>>343098238
>Zelda
>successful franchise anymore
Nah, BoTW will either make or break the series. It hasn't been relevant in terms of popularity and sales since TP, and that was 10 years ago.
>>343099024
bayonetta 2 has about 2 hours of cutscenes and about 10 hours of good action. there's your facts for you. now i have to go make dinner
>>343097032
At least some of them get dropped to $20 because of Nintendo Select, but it is still mostly shit. Especially since absolute garbage like Devil's Third is still $60.
>It's another console war thread
>both sides cannot make up their minds what counts as successful
>>343099428
That's not countng all the voice acting and dialogue and action finisher quick time events, but I see we won't be able to look eye to eye on the issue, so I suppose it's a lost cause.
>>343091549
>Game journos are more than happy to praise mediocre games from them, as long as it gets them clicks.
its a fact Nintendoom bring more clicks. also, if you will use meta critic, you add and divide both user and media scores.
>>343092079
>So says kotaku and polygon and IGN
not that you are wrong on them, but bayonetta is fucking solid gold mate. the only people who complain is the low levels skill about how you now cant infinite juggle enemies cause they now can block
>>343094958
>Sony is coming out with an update on their console too, and you think anyone outside of Japan and a niche market here in the US/ EU is gonna give a shit about the NX?
well timmy, given past E3, as long as NX gets 3rd party crap, it will sell, a lot
>>343099830
>but bayonetta is fucking solid gold mate.
I never understood why people think this. Yes, everyone's opinion should be allowed on the matter and shouldn't be censored, but when I tried getting into the series, this is what I was met with >>343095076
"Difficult" he says. Heh.
Kids will play whatever the fuck the latest game is, especially if their friend or favourite YT streamer plays it.
>>343100015
>>muh realistic graphics and HD lighting and millions of dollars in physics engines
Bayonetta: realistic, everyting shines and are demos nad angels, fuck you talking about?
>>sex, violence, killing, mature themes that children want to see because they want to look older
this has to be baiting
>>cinematics everywhere
im bating hard
>>casual gameplay (I've played games of FTL that put Infinite Climax AND Uncharted's hard mode to shame)
name em, by my guess
>>DRM due to poor console hardware and poor console controls
ok, I bited. im regret, forgive me father for I have sin
>>343099030
Nintendo don't milk the shit out their franchises like other companies do.
Otherwise there would be a new Zelda every fucking Christmas.
Generally speaking, when Nintendo make a flagship title, it's usually years in the making and bringing something new to the table.
Whether the games are good or not is subjective but you have to at least respect the company for their tact.
>>343099641
Do you go to Sony threads as well? Because I've only ever seen you in Nintendo shitposting threads. What's with the fascination for comparing Bayonetta 2 to Last of Us? It's always those two particular games with you.
>>343100839
>Bayonetta: realistic, everyting shines and are demos nad angels, fuck you talking about?
I'm saying they put too much money into the graphics. They should've dialed it back, because it makes me sick looking at everything. Since Nintendo helped fund this game, they should've known better than to try and get the mature dudebro crowd who loves high def graphics.
>this has to be baiting
What's bait about it? Perhaps I'm sick of the industry trying to be hollywood 2.0 with soulless movies filled with sex and explosions? Maybe, as an adult, I'm sick of things trying to be "mature" instead of being fruitful with content?
>name em, by my guess
You ever play Dwarf Fortress? Or any given RTS custom map? They'lll put you through hell and back while Bayonetta is busy making you watch another cinematic cutscene.
>ok, I bited. im regret, forgive me father for I have sin
>I-i can't argue against it! i have to call it bait or else I'll look foolish
In other words, pic related.
>>343079723
and that is why hes 6 feet under
>>343101293
I don't go into many threads actually. I filter any thread I don't like, since any post I might make would be drowned out by fanboy shitposting. So I figure "leave them be".
>Because I've only ever seen you in Nintendo shitposting threads.
This might be because I think nintendo fans will listen to criticism a little better. They seem to be a level headed fanbase at times, so I figure if I argue promptly and respectfully, maybe someone will take the time to read what I'm saying, instead of calling me a "sonygger" or "PC faggot" or "Nintenyearold". In other words, i want to diverse the thread away from shitposting and towards positive discussion. That's why I don't rely on memes or swearing or racism. Sadly, I've yet to see any fruits of my labor. /v/ revels in the console warring, and it's unpleasant to watch it consume a good thread.
>What's with the fascination for comparing Bayonetta 2 to Last of Us?
I see double standards on this board regarding what makes a game cinematic or not, and whether "movie games" belong in this industry. I point to the two of those games in particular because they're exactly the same in almost every area but genre and developer. They're killing games with a focus on violence and sex and being "cinematic". The problem is that /v/ tries to justify one as better than the other with nothing but opinion, and I don't think that's logical in the slightest.
>>343079723
The demographic doesn't matter, just make the games with the same amount of care as the old games. Also force the development team to play Nintendo's best games before starting a project.
I hate playing a game only to say "why did they take out x,y, z?"
>>343080149
yes. that's the whole point you tremendous faggot. This statement was made in 2005, 7 years before the WiiU, aka not a statement about the wiiu.
if you can't tell by now, this isn't a WiiU defense force thread.
>>343079723
is that why todays children only play cheap flash games and shitty minecraft clones?
>>343101881
You seem really obsessed with games giving context to anything though. Like if the game tries to justify anything with text or dialogue at all, it just instantly kills the game for you, just like that? Even if the game is highly variable in how you can approach the level design, and has a lot of replayability, it doesn't matter just because the game tries to have any kind of plot? I can see it being bad if the game is literally just watching with no player input, but you're giving games shit even if they make the player do all the work even with dialogue running through it.
I see the argument you're trying to make, but you come off as an extremist every time I see you. It makes me wonder how you enjoy anything but the most basic of games. You don't even describe what you like about games besides cold facts that are simply definitions.
>>343101239
>Nintendo don't milk the shit out their franchises like other companies do.
I don't know, they've been milking the franchise pretty badly with all of the shitty handhelds and "remakes" as of late. They may not be flagship titles, but they still tarnist the IP's image. That doesn't exactly scream quality or confidence on their part.
>>343082193
lol not exactly. being a dudebro or a /v/irgin really has nothing to do with it. As long as you have a work ethic, you're a winner. no matter how poor or stupid you are, as tumblr and reddit as that sounds.
>>343082632
that's not the point retard. all it takes is one bad apple and the whole barrel is spoiled.
>>343102689
This, dudebro is some high school/college terminology bullshit.
Once you're out of college an in the real world, people don't give a fuck a about what the fuck you do as long as you're responsible and successful/competent from a work, career or financial standpoint.
>>343079940
Five data points don't make for an accurate regression line. Especially if you arbitrarily discount one of those precious few points when it's not even two sigmas away from the mean.
>>343102614
>Like if the game tries to justify anything with text or dialogue at all, it just instantly kills the game for you, just like that?
It really depends. Do you want a character talking for 5 minutes about some history lesson, just so you know to attack the bad guy? Do you want a 50 minute cutscene with feelings and emotions and crying in it, just so you know that the villain is bad? That's not what I'd consider fun or fast paced.
>Even if the game is highly variable in how you can approach the level design, and has a lot of replayability, it doesn't matter just because the game tries to have any kind of plot?
If I was able to get through the game without having to mash the X buton to skip a cutscene every 5 seconds, it wouldn't be a problem. Honestly. But Bayonetta, TLOU, Uncharted, Xenoblade, Final fantasy, Bravely Default, Firewatch, Undertale, and etc. These """"""games"""""" just love throwing cinematics at me, and I'm constantly trying to skip them because I don't want to watch th egame. I want to play it. It's worse when games like Final Fantasy 10 and Undertale don't even let you skip the cutscenes.
>It makes me wonder how you enjoy anything but the most basic of games.
I do enjoy alot of games, but for me to say I truly enjoyed them requires them to be very liberal on the gameplay, but conservative with the story. Thats why I don't enjoy many AAA titles anymore. Of course, other problems can come up with games like bugs and glitches, but this focus on being hollywood has definitely become the biggest offender.
>ITT some people actually try to belittle a dead man for being proud that his company put out products enjoyed by millions
>>343103119
It'll be exciting to see how close 19th century business analytics will get us.
>>343103406
What's your opinion on Kid Icarus Uprising? That game's loaded with character and personality, but is very minimal on stopping the player.
>>343082516
Unfortunately kids are more likely to hear other kids use colorful language.
>>343084593
And that's what Nintendo does?
>>343103779
4/10 title. For multiple reasons.
>too much story (not so much in cutscenes, but the characters talking every single moment makes me want to mute the 3DS, not to mention it's use in "ironic" humor, where Pit acts campy and stupid on purpose because someone thought it was "charming" or whatever)
>gameplay is actually pretty casual (once you learn the controls, 9.0 is nothing. And I grew up with a PSP and the N64 controller, so I know awkward control schemes and how to master them)
>I'm neutral on the OST, aesthetics, graphics, etc. However, I don't like it being on the 3DS. Screen is too small and makes everything look jaggy. It's partly why I don't regret moving to PC gaming. I need at least 720p when I play something.
It really didn't appeal to me, like in the slightest.
>>343084813
Child friendly doesn't mean something is a children's game.
Children's game doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed by adults.
>>343081853
>children are non-humans
Im going to bed guys, have fun
>>343104175
Fair enough on all but the graphics I guess. I never minded the 3DS's screen since graphics are such a nonissue for me. I actually like more games on 3DS because some developers waste less time on making games look pretty and instead try to focus more on the game itself entertaining the player.
>>343104175
>>too much story (not so much in cutscenes, but the characters talking every single moment makes me want to mute the 3DS, not to mention it's use in "ironic" humor, where Pit acts campy and stupid on purpose because someone thought it was "charming" or whatever)
Why don't you just ignore them?
>>343105064
Even if they spent time working on the graphics you couldnt see them because of the 2004-tier screen.
>>343105108
That's what the mute button is for, but when i have to mute your game to get through it, there's a problem.
>>343105064
>I never minded the 3DS's screen since graphics are such a nonissue for me.
Graphics aren't an issue to me either, but when I have to squint just to see what's going on, it's hard to really enjoy the game. If I want to "game on the go" then I'll buy an iphone. I mostly play games at home, so I prefer larger resolutions.
>>343079940
All they had to do was improve their hardware to match their competitors, at least to the extent of 1080p at 30-60fps, keeping the motion control gimmick and adding everything the Wii u currently has except the gamepad, and it would've had a better selection of games to this day.
>>343105437
no I mean just turn them out, you don't have to listen to them when you're playing.
>>343087959
>b-but Sony!
Every single time
>>343105543
Huh. I must've missed that then. Makes it a little more bearable, I suppose, though I could've sworn you could only unlock something like that after beating the game the first time.
>>343085476
It can never happen again because the reason the Wii was so successful, you know droves of casuals who bought it as a fad all moved onto smartphones and tablets, leaving no audience for Nintendo's "blue ocean" strategy ever again
>Nintendo is finally dying
>>343087959
I couldn't help but notice that it left out all the most recent years where nintendo is losing money
>>343105814
I really want an edit that replaces every question with "faggots?"
>Wii U lowest selling Nintendo console to date
>3DS lowest selling Nintendo hand held to date
>NX is releasing in March with literally zero hype behind it
>Nobody even knows what the fuck it is
>Xbox Scorpio has more hype than it and doesn't release until late 2017 on top of being a fucking Xbox One 1.5
>PS4 Neo has more hype than the NX and it hasn't even been announced
>Iwata literally killed himself because of Nintendos failure
It's happening bros, it's finally happening
>>343106138
>>343105976
I hate what they're doing recently but I don't like what the other companies are doing either. At least I'll have an excuse to stay PC only though.
>>343087959
>Xbox
It's not like Microsoft have ever been reliant on the Xbox so it's not as if the Xbox bleeding money was ever a danger to them. But has the Xbox in any way whatsoever benefited Microsoft?
I mean, damn.
>>343105741
it's a common skill its not something that its in the game
>>343106138
>>343106378
Oh. I see what you typed now. I thought you said "turn them off" when you must've meant "tune them out". Right?
Well, I still am not a fan of a game asking me to mute it or "tune it out" when I want to put more focus into the game. It's why I dislike games like, oh say, Uncharted. I could easily tune out the cutscenes, but it's still boring mashing X for 10 minutes just so I can play the game.
>>343106138
>>3DS lowest selling Nintendo hand held to date
>>343106606
the difference in kid Icarus is that you have complete control of your character for the entire time so its not like anyone is forcing you to listen to their voices while your fighting
>>343106696
>Virtual boy
>hand held
It's a peripheral gimmick. It's literally like me calling Occulus a handheld/console.
>>343106696
don't reply to him he's just a shitposter that wants attention
>>343106745
That's why I rate it multiple points higher than "cinematic experiences" like Persona 4 and TLOU, but still it's a very big nuisance that doesn't just go away over time. So it's hard for me to justify it being there.
>>343106919
it's there but it doesn't detract from the experience since it doesn't stop the player from playing the game.
>>343092895
You'd like to be ironic but that the truth. There's not a single 3D platformer (excepting for Rare ones) coming close to Mario 64/Sunshine/Galaxy glory. Sonyggers like to gloat over Ratchet and Clank, Sly and Jak and Daxter, but they are far from reaching the level of level design and the depth of gameplay mechanics shown in the Mario games.
Zelda too is with each entry a showcase of what can be done with level design. The quality of level design shown in the 3D zeldas having non linear exploration in 3 dimensional environment was never reached by Nintendo's rivals. And the ones shining in the level design department (like From Software) are good for open areas but bad for tight dungeons. Okami for example is really shit for its dungeons despite being heralded as "best zelda".
>>343106873
>listing statistical facts
>shitpost
Pic related, it's your face
>>343106138
3DS sold more than the GBAWii U had more, better exclusives than the XBone and PS4 combined
>>343106138
>>NX is releasing in March with literally zero hype behind it
>with literally zero hype behind it
About that.
But yeah, who knows whether or not it will manage not to fail, but you're just delusional if you think there is zero hype behind the NX.
>>343079908
Obligatory.
>>343107171
>>343107225
bruh stop replying to shitposters its only feeding them.
>>343107171
>3DS sold more than the GBA
No it didn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Advance
Gameboy Advance has sold 81 million sales.
As for your spoiler, objectively PS4 has more games/exclusives. What constitutes as "good" is irrelevant to me as it's subjective.
>>343107091
It is a nuisance to me since I have to actively tune it out every second. It's unpleasant background noise, and Nintendo should know better than to include that in a game.
>>343105437
>when I have to squint just to see what's going on
I hope you at the very least have an XL model.
>>343107397
fair enough
>>343107303
>no mention of sony
>everyone starts crying "s-s-SONY!!!"
Yeah, that picture sums up the sony boogeyman perfectly.
>>343107225
>Zelda
>hype
Literally less hype than QTE fest God of War.
Nobody even knows what the fuck the NX is.
>>343107401
Nah. I'm kind of sick of having to upgrade my console every 2-3 years. I thought Sony and MS and Nintendo would be above that kind of trickery, but hahaha boy was I proven wrong!
>>343079723
Children don't support Nintendo only manchildren do. Kids want to play popular shit like cod
>>343107592
>literally every single Wii U owner showed their support for Nintendo by watching the trailer
>it still has less than 2 million views than GoW
>>343102954
This is some "I play my 3DS at work" tier shit
>>343107675
every handheld has done that
>>343107171
>already speaking about the Wii U in past tense
What a fucking disaster
>>343102658
It's just because they realized with the PS4 that people are stupid enough to buy once more a game that was released on a console of the previous gen for $40+. They pulled out 2 remasters while the first two best selling exclusives of the PS4 were also remasters of PS3 games (tLoU and Uncharted 1-3).
They don't tarnish anything by pulling only slightly the remaster move.
>>343107532
By all means, tell us what ____fag the OP was.
>>343107751
I work at a tv station and a coworker of mine does it all the time.
>>343107759
NDS came out in 2004 and lasted until 2012 or some shit. 3DS came out in 2012 and is still going. It's not 3 year gens with them. Only people who got screwed were GBA buyers and at least they still had a lot of good games.
