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>2D indie game gets a 10
lol
inb4 twist is that you're playing a video game.
So Undertale has been dethroned?
Limbo was trash this looks worse.
Why is /v/ constantly posting IGN reviews?
>3 hours long
>worth 10/10
pick one
>>343064897
I've never even heard about this game, but you're right, I bet it's shit comparing to our favourite Call of Duty 16, Assassin's Creed 9 and Battlefield 23.
>>343064897
I don't think anyone is surprised at this point.
>>343064897
You think only big publishers able to pay for it should get 10?
>Makers of Limbo make another great game
Honestly I'm not surprised.
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>>343064960
i don't think there would be that much of circlejerk around it
>>343064897
If it's actually even better than Limbo, it probably deserves a 10 on IGN standards
>>343064897
So, this came out already? Is it on the PC?
>>343065391
Will be in like 2 weeks.
5/5 from GiantBomb as well
http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/inside-review/1900-747/
>>343064897
>people like game
thats nice, limbo wasn't my thing and i doubt this one will be my thing either. glad for people into that kinda stuff though
>>343064897
Limbo was great. I like the feel of it.
>>343065054
Short games can never be a 10/10. It's a very big flaw.
>>343065026
>>3 hours long
So are you guys gonna cry all day about this?
>>343065026
>>343065926
>movies are always less than 3 hours
>you pay the same amount or more for them
>i'm sure you consider some movies 10/10
>>343065890
tell that to undertalefag
numeric scores were a mistake
Limbo sucked. It's amazing how a bad-to-mediocre platformer heavily based on dodgy physics was able to attain so much critical acclaim by simply using multiple aspects of the video game equivalents of Oscar bait.
>>343064897
I guess S3&K is like a 12/10 now
>>343065986
But this is a video game, not a movie.
>>343064897
>>343065603
CORDINATED SHILLING
Every major reviewer is gonna give this shit 9/10 or more. It will be just like undertale and you wont be able to go 5 seconds online without hearing about it. This is their continued effort to try and push actual video games out in favor of "MUH STORY" inidie shit.
>>343065890
Says who? You? Alright.
Also >>343065986 makes a point
>>343065890
How long does a game have to be before it can be a 10? 6 hours? 10 hours? 100 hours?
>>343064897
>>343065603
so which progressive topic do they want to push this time?
>>343064897
>a 2D indie game can't be good
I mean it's probably overrated shit but still it makes no sense.
>>343066073
when did we define what video games "have to be"? and who says the boundary between two mediums can't be blurred? fuck off
>>343066096
Fuck's sake man, there is no conspiracy to like what you don't like, people just have different opinions
Get a grip
>>343066096
Brad Shoemaker, the guy that reviewed Inside, also gave Doom 5/5 stars.
>>343064897
>It's a short ride
>>343066115
30 hours should be the norm for any game. 60 is the sweet spot for the best games.
>>343064897
>no mention of elements
What
So what's the epic twist?
Something SJW-ey? I would even expect that nowadays.
>>343064897
Any idea what the price is gonna be for it? For around 3 hours I can't imagine it'd be more than ten
>>343064897
You forget that Indie devs are usually pals with the staff on sites like this.
Humph OOooOOoOOoohhh Humph yeaaaah Humph Raaaaaahhhh lovely baby MASTEEEEERPIEEEECE
AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRTT
roger ebert is a faggooooooooot
>>343066212
Fuck off, retard.
>>343064897
there's nothing wrong with a short game as long as it's appropriately price.
the obsession over game length is what causes devs like Bethesda to advertise "muh 40 hours of quests" when 90% of them are shitty procedurally generate fetch quest trash.
>>343066115
Long enough for you to not wish for more, but short enough so you don't go "WHEN WILL THIS FUCKING END"
>>343066115
30 is the standard
>>343066217
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op4G1--kb-g
>>343066318
The standard as per fucking who?
PROTIP: Your anus is not a valid source.
How many dicks do you guys think the female dev sucked to get this score?
>>343066096
Must be tough seeing shills around every corner
>>343066125
The twist is that the main character is actually a black tranny.
>>343066330
Shill pal, that trailer says nothing¨.
>>343066318
is this a fucking joke? fuck off AAA CoD shill
>>343066212
Most brilliant games have been significantly less than 30 hours.
>>343065026
Because all games need to be unnecessarily long, I mean look at Alien Isolation, and especially if it's priced the same as your average DVD movie.
>>343066178
When the boundary gets blurred between the two, you get shit like the order 1886 or david cage faggotry. Don't think that's in any way good.
>>343066098
No, no he doesn't. Stop that whole "he makes a point" neogaf argument, it doesn't work.
>>343064897
limbo is a good and unique game, one of the few legit indie games. so this ones is probably good too.
>>343066193
>there is no conspiracy
Saying "there is no conspiracy" is part of a conspiracy.
>>343066251
Oh yeah, can't wait for gamergate to start digging and inevitably find the smoking gun that the lead composer's sister-in-law's hairdresser's dog was once owned by someone who went to high school with the reviewer, thus incontrovertibly proving once again that gaming journalism is irreparably corrupt and has to be burned to the ground.
>>343066310
I'd agree, but this is heavily dependent on each individual game.
>>343066212
You're that special kind of fucker, who solely plays Jrpg's right?
>>343066178
cause no matter what a video game has to be a game. And games are defined by a lot of things it's not a buzzword like "fun" or "emotional"
>>343066489
Second that. Limbo was fantastic
>>343066193
sup' shill. Still paid in rupies?
>>343066496
Of course.
>>343066526
I keep forgetting that SJWs dwell on this board to monitor our activities.
stupid westacucks and their indie shit
>>343065020
Because they are memes
>>343066386
>he actually reads news and reviews and believes its not part of an agenda or advertising attempt.
I feel sorry for faggots like you, being so easily manipulated and actively defending this shit when the proof of reviews being coordinated marketting attempts is plain as day.
Limbo was garbage. The only thing it had going for it was the artstyle, otherwise it was one of the thinnest and least imaginative games I've ever played.
>>343065026
How much would you pay for a 3 hour game? $2 max for me.
>>343066115
long enough so that the reviewers give it a 10 before finishing it and realizing it didn't deserve a 10.
>>343066648
And more conspiracy theories!
Can you narcissists wrap your head around the fact that the whole internet doesn't revolve around you and your opinions? I'm not here to "monitor" you, I'm here because it's been my favourite place to shoot the shit about video games for the past ten years, when I suddenly came across some paranoid dumb fuck and went to set the record straight.
/v/ is not one person. Deal with it.
>>343066648
SJW here, you guys aaree toooo easy to bait. We dont even do anything!
>timed exclusive on Xbox
Pirating it is then
>>343066382
Zero (0)
>>343066714
I'm so sorry
>>343066178
There are many legitimate ways videogames can blur medium boundaries. Many games make good use of text, many change up the framing of the visuals to get an effect like a comic book or a specific artistic movement. The modern standard of visuals in videogames could also be seen as a general trend towards the other major moving visual media, video.
Length is not really one of those. Mediums are not blended when the length of an example from one approaches the average of another. A tv series isn't more like a videogame because it collectively has several hours of run time. It might still be a good game for it's price, but if you're only going to get 3 hours out of it, it better be damn good or very replayable if it's above even $10 bucks. If we want to be charitable.
>>343066780
>"Oh no! My cover has been blown!"
>>343066819
You were going to anyway. Why bother trying to justify it? Does it make you feel like less of a scumbag?
>>343066980
ur mum is my cover fag
>>343066898
>Women
>Zero/0 dicks.
Well Limbo was a 10 for me so I'm intrigued to play this as well. No Xbone though.
>>343067053
INSIDE BEING GOOD IS A GAMERGATE CONSPIRACY
>It's another shill thread with shill posters.
>>343067063
Women don't have dicks, yes
Limbo is my favourite indie game. I bought it for xbox day 1 for 12€ and was worth it. Played it at night with no light and headset was one of my best time playing a game.
This looks as good as Limbo: simple gameplay, with GOAT atmosphere and ambient music and sounds
>>343067208
Check your privilege, shitlord.
>>343065026
>3 hours long
Not a bad thing, rather play this than say some weeb shit were you have to grind, farm for 30hrs
>>343067154
not him but you think they dont discuss and agree on review scores before declaring all 10s across the board? give me a break kid
>>343066714
Here is your tinfoil hat bro. Knock yourself out
>>343066289
Fucking exactly, game length is meaningless if it makes the game worse for it. Like Alien isolation
>>343067283
Why would they do that?
>>343067283
>not him
You're not fooling anyone, gator
>>343064897
>2D indie game gets a 10
Whats bad about that?
I can tell by looking at it that this particular "game" isn't a 10/10, but neither being 2D, nor being indie makes it so. Being shit does.
>>343064960
No furshit in it, it's doomed from the get go.
garblegrook go home
>>343067365
the fuck you on about?
its not a conspiracy when its been proven true and literally exposed completely by all parties involved, and those people you posted the reviews of, were part of the mailing list
>>343067515
>those people you posted the reviews of
What did I post again? You're making no sense
>>343065026
A 3 hour long good game beats a 50 hour long bad game any day.
>>343067483
>>343067365
>>343064897
>Ryan McFagfrey
Not surprised at all
>>343067582
why couldn't you play as a woman in Ghosts anyway
>>343067623
>3 Ben Kucheras
Blimey
>Xbone's best game is a four hour indie game also on PC
Don't forget to swallow, Xcucks
>>343067660
>Alien
>good
Okay anon
>>343067623
Yes, so what does an obscure Danish studio with 10 members making a good game have to do with this? Help me out here, I'm legitimately confused
This entire thread is bad form, and not only because it lacks an obligatory post of someone using GameName™ and exclamation marks.
I want you all to go outside and think about this, and come back.
>>343067515
Ah yes, the mailing list, the one you went through in its entirety and found nothing incriminating in, but which is still evidence of corruption because it totally could be.
>>343066526
No, gamergate only cares about women with dyed hair sleeping around
>>343067774
Its better than Firewatch.
Looks better. Sounds better. Controls better. Plays better. More gameplay mechanics, that gel better. Better textures. Better models. Longer game. Better written. Better voiced. Better music. Better ambient sound. Better AI. Better everything, in every way.
Its basically Firewatch++++++, yet its rated lower than Firewatch.
>>343064897
>it's impossible for a game that is small in scope to be good lol
fuck off
On the other hand it wouldn't surprise me if Inside is anything but overrated, based off of LIMBO and its critical reaction
I bet he sounds like that other pussy who got triggered by the game with guns
>>343067657
Official stance is STRAIGHTO WHITU MARU PIGGU GO HOMU but moderation is non-existent.
So how is Inside a bad game?
>>343068051
we dont know cause its not out and nobody here has played it yet
>>343068001
Oh man, haven't been to that place in what, a year?
>>343068051
Because it isn't out there.
>>343068017
NU-MALE
Limbo was a pretty good game, ill probably play this
>>343068051
because [insert clever joke with the word inside here]
>>343068191
Is that what Shaggy is called these days? I can't keep up with your kids and all your hip, happening lingo.
>>343068158
What I wanna know is where's the caveman
>>343068001
>Caring about Ghazi
Hi, Gamergate!
>>343066178
really makes you think
>>343068325
>Caring about Gamergate
Hello Ghazi!
>>343068324
>Watch me swooce right in!
>10/10 - "Swooce!" IGN
>>343067695
because women make shit soldiers
>>343068001
those spergs still kicking?
So what do we have here?
Cinematic walking simulator with some puzzles?
Some sad dead people drama?
Involving a kid and his father?
I never read anything about this game. Tell me how close i'am.
short easy games are critic bait
vidya form of oscar bait
>>343067928
oh man, ppl still fighting over this shit. I pity you losers still going at each other
>>343065986
>you pay to watch movies
stop while you are ahead
>neogaf plebs trying to shitpost and pretend gamergate was ever about feminism
>neogaf plebs trying to shill their terrible poorly written game review articles on 4chan, the home of child pornography, gore, murder porn, and piracy
>samefags sit here trying to have moral crusade over professional victims
This is the greatest game I've ever played.
I'm.noy kidding at all
>>343066218
Holy shit, it's $20
>Limbo
>great
yeah just like Braid lmao
Got to play the demo through a friendfrom a video game review site, here's my impressions: it's literally more Limbo, in 2.5d, with an actual story this time. The art style and animations are fucking amazing, but it's the same puzzle platformer/physics gameplay as Limbo, with some stealth elements. Not sure about length, played the second level through in about half an hour. Probably not a 10, but a really nice game if you're into that sort of gameplay.
>>343068701
Well they're trying every now and then. Last time I checked the operation irc it was pretty dead though.
Most of the obvious SJW comments these days, are made by individuals who simply get buttmad just thinking 4chan and can't sleep until trying to btfo at least one "bigoted" comment. Emphasis on 'trying'. I think most ops are over by now. Some of them just developed an obsession with 4chan and can't stop coming here.
Doesn't help that many shitposters copy SJW lingo unironically.
>>343067294
I liked that alien isolation was so long simply in that it made the player actually suffer. It made the experience feel more real to me because if could relate to Amanda
>>343069012
>Tell me how close i'am.
With that generic shit you could be relatively close to anything sherlock
>>343069426
Yea that's sad isn't it?
>>343067928
Oh hey it's that faggot from /qa/ who was bitching about Paper Mario!
You still haven't given me that neogaf account by the way. Are you a janitor/mod as well?
>>343069338
This was my impressions just from watching the gameplay, I'll probably nab it as I did enjoy limbo
So what's the twist?
>>343069617
You're the Zodiac killer
>>343066212
A game like Rocket Knight Adventures is good enough to be worthy of a 10/10 and it isn't a long game at all, fuck off RPG shitter
>>343069160
>he doesn't go to the theatre to watch new movies with his friends
sad life.
>>343069302
Except Braid was great.
Even if you don't buy the whole firebombing of Dresden/you're the aggressor subplot and pretentious story, it's a fun and challenging puzzle game.
If this was a ps4 exclusive it would have a 100 metacritic score.
We should make a petition .
I don't even wabt to check the PC version, I'm sure that already has a bunch of zeros on the user score.
>>343069772
>him and his friends can afford to watch new movies
Try not to choke on your quail and caviar up there in your ivory tower, prick.
Oh wow, a 2D platformer came out!?
Are we a legitimate artform yet?
>>343067621
And an 80 hour great game beats both
>>343064897
10/10 really makes you think
>>343065743
I really hated limbo. This one ia legitimately good. Try the demo at least . Trust me, I'm a stranger .
Not out until tomorrow though
>>343070374
>>Still trying to pretend it wasn't
The only ones who made it about that where the people who wanted it for the sake of misdirection and the actual handful of idiot sexists who couldn't be tactful to save their lives.
>>343065986
>video games are movies
Also >>movies are always less than 3 hours
>>343064897
>Ryan "XBot" McCaffrey gives an XBone game a 10
Why the surprise?
I assume the story is about the kid coming out as a homosexual muslim or something.
>>343066212
Wonder what it's like being born in a post 9/11 world.
>undertale 10/10
>inside 10/10
>>343070503
Name 5 games that are like that, I'll wait.
>>343064897
>lol
Fuck off.
>>343070868
You're not very bright are you?
>>343065986
>you pay the same amount or more for them
Nigger a movie ticket is ~$12, Inside is $20
>>343067621
Then why are mobas so popular zozzle
>>343070916
I'm brighter than all of gamergate combined.
>>343070917
I'd pay 20 dollars to see a great film.
>>343070152
>>343070674
>>343070868
you two are sad individuals fighting over a movement long dead
>>343070857
Really makes you think...
>Limbo
>great
>trial and error: the game
>Building upon what made Limbo """great"""
>10/10
Oh lads
oooh lads....
>>343070858
Morrowind
The Witcher 3
GTA (any)
Fallout New Vegas
Any Obsidian classic CRPG
>>343068513
But anon, CoD isn't real.
>>343064897
>person likes gaem
how dare he
>>343070916
Oh I'm sure you are.
>>343071038
You're right. This discussion is pointless. I'll stop.
he gave the walking simulator firewatch 9.3/10, then gave a 2d walking simulator 10/10.
Limbo was free on xbox and pc, I played it, it's unique with the deaths. That shit surprised me and I laughed at them, but the game is boring as hell and is 3 hours long. I would rather buy cosmetics then pay for this shit
>>343071029
>moving the goalposts
>based on nothing but your own opinion
wew
>>343071120
>GTA
>80 hours
Hidden package collection is just too much fun!
>>343070790
I agree.
They should let Greg Miller or Brian Altamo or Max Scoville review it.
Those guys hate xbox and Nintendo !
Sony is he only good guy corporation out there.
>>343071101
exactly, I enjoyed the deaths, but the first 10 minutes triggered me when I climbed the tree and jumped off to die, I climbed again, solved the puzzle, but missed the branch and died again. Wasted 10 minutes. I didn't even beat it, got to the part with the leech on head and quit because the trial and error part of walking backwards wasted a 1 minute just to look for the answer everytime, fuck that
>>343071242
Then what is the objective monetary value of a video game? Time played? Should then games like FTL or Stardew Valley cost more than 60 dollars because they generally keep people entertained for more than 6-8 hours like your average AAA title?
>>343064897
Western developers and media have teamed up and successfully divorced the gameplay from the experience
It works like a charm. As a developer you don't have to:
- design levels
- hire a good artist
- hire a good animator, or animate at all
- bother with gameplay other than "hold W to go forward" or if you're going really deep, mouselook
As a journalist:
- you can do away with the chore before the afternoon's over and go back to tweeting, virtue signalling for new gigs.
>>343064897
>IGN
>>343071421
>Sony is he only good guy corporation out there.
More like good goy.
You Sonyshills will stop at nothing.
>>343071101
Yeah, it can be objectivelly proven that Limbo is not a good game simply by looking at its design tenets. It doesn't work on any level as an interactive piece of media. Of course, clickbait bloggers don't look at games that way. They need to mature else they are too gamey.
>>343068383
,,,huh...
>>343071549
>moving the goalposts AGAIN
I called you out for saying a movie ticket is more expensive than inside you autist.
Don't try and regurgitate the same argument for something different and expect me to get suckered in to arguing something completely besides my point.
>>343071373
The average person who isn't a compete bore will probably artificially inflate the game's length to about that by virtue of it's open world and the general appeal of fucking about, but you're right. I wouldn't call it an 80 hour game.
>>343071682
So puzzle platforming isn't gameplay?
>First the nintencucks celebrate fe fates
>Then star ocean 5 gets shit scores
>Now the xcucks and pcucks get a good game not on my beloved PS4 for months
DELETE THIS THREAD NOW! THIS IS A SONY ONLY BOARD!
>>343064897
>still reading reviews
>>343065986
Movies are shit
>>343064897
Only an underage nigger would think that a 2D indie game can't be good.
where is the fucking torrent??
>>343071865
>I didn't make the original post
>If the average movie is 2 hours long, that makes it around $6 an hour
>Inside is 3 hours long (some people have said 4) if you apply similar metric you get $18 worth of value
You're right, the devs should knock 2 dollars of the asking price.
>>343071890
>puzzle
Designed by a company that proved they have no idea how puzzles work?
>Here' have three holes
>Two lead to grisly deaths, one advances the plot
>Now solve this puzzle
>>343072093
The game isn't out yet you inbred
>>343064897
>Generic, unoriginal indie games getting perfect score
What else is new?
people actually payed $20 for firewatch and another $20 for inside and $30 for gone home
>>343071373
Then replace it with any grand strategy game.
>>343066780
>I'm
Fuck off
>>343072381
Can you give me an example of what you're talking about? It's been a while since I've played Limbo, but I primarily remember time-based/platforming/physics puzzles.
>>343072132
>I didn't make the original post
Then you should've said that in the first place so I could've ignored you and your shit opinion
>If the average movie is 2 hours long, that makes it around $6 an hour
>Inside is 3 hours long (some people have said 4) if you apply similar metric you get $18 worth of value
Where do you get this fucked up logic from. And when did I ever say that Inside was priced too high. I called out some guy for saying that a movie was more expensive than Inside and now you're sperging out about it and still trying to get me to argue something completely besides my point despite the fact that I already said I'm not going to do it.
Stop posting any time
>>343071998
Americans can't into 2D platformers.
They spend 99% of the time autistically tweaking the graphics to try to make their bad taste in art look impressive at least, and forget completely about balancing and tweaking the gameplay until it actually feels good.
>>343072502
post memes or fuck offits like you dont know where you are
>>343067928
>which is why GeepersGreepers spend all of their time talking about her
Who the fuck talked about Quinn more than two weeks after the five guys incident?
>>343064897
Maybe it's actually that good?
Play before you comment on the score.
>>343071421
>Unnecessary space before punctuation
I see you.
>>343072770
looks like floaty shit from the trailer
>>343072609
I was thinking about tons of 'lel you died' moments that were supposed to bring about the ominous nature of the game world but amounted to trial and error gameplay. Compare it to Another World where the game gives you time to see the danger, even running a mini-cinematic when it shows up (the panther), then you have no option but to run away, but that option need not kill you if you don't fumble.
Name a flaw with Inside if you don't think it deserves a 10/10.
>>343072598
Sorry, which pronoun would you have preferred?
>>343072883
Again, actually play it first.
I'm not saying it's good, just that it's literally stupid to pan is as shit without actually playing it yourself.
>>343072892
Every danger was pretty clearly shown anon.
I don't recall any guess work.
>>343070858
Final Fantasy (pick your favourite)
Dragon Quest (same as above)
Star Ocean 2
Mana Khemia
Any SMT game
There. I named 5 without even resorting to sequels to pad the numbers
>>343065926
So, this will be more than enough to stand it, even have 2 more hours to do something else.
>>343072745
Gamergate.
Try two years after the incident.
>>343072986
No game deserves a 10/10
>>343072892
You could see danger in LIMBO, and you were even taught what things do before you encountered them.
The only time where LIMBO had the bullshit trial and error was where you're running across the roofs and random electricity floor turns on.
>>343072892
Yeah, there was plenty of that now that I think of it. I guess I didn't mind that seeing that I enjoyed Super Meat Boy
>>343066212
This guy gets it.
>>343073137
But there is no trial and error in Meat Boy, it's muscle memory.
>>343066212
>I believe in needless padding!
>>343065986
>you pay the same amount or more for them
>>343065020
> video game board
> largest video game review site ever made
Gee I dont know anon
ITT Games that are shit because they aren't 30+ hours long
>>343064897
Why do people even take IGN into consideration? Their """reviews""" have always been the bottom of every joke, giving 9-10 to any shit that looks pretty or is popular at the moment.
>>343073248
Or, you know, lasting and engaging content.
When did /v/ get filled with casuals?
Well, it don't matter that much as it won't sell as well as a good game would and the sites will just lose their credibility a bit more.
>>343073517
>Multi quotes
Your point is correct, but stop that nonsense.
>>343066212
Most VNs and narrative puzzle games wouldn't be as good if they were 30 hours long,let alone 60.
>>343066212
I see your point but I disagree, because it leads to way too much filler. Just look at the trend of open world games and how full they are of senseless fetch quests and procedurally generated caves.
I prefer games around 15-20 hours but with a fuckton of replayability where you can actually do different things in another playthrough.
>>343065026
This mentality is why video games will never be an art medium.
>>343073731
Who cares?
>>343073820
>year of our lord
>having low standards
just
>>343073731
>>343073964
>it's only art if it's 2deep4u and sacrifices gameplay
How's your first year of college treating you?
>>343073731
They won't be until the people reviewing can actually be critics instead of having such a self-serving interest in the industry. Most people in the industry are still trying to prove that their lives aren't wasted on children's toys, so they hand out 10/10 to any pretentious puzzle walking sim to show their parents and other adults that what they do isn't a joke.
>>343073964
Being viewed as an art medium has no intrinsic value. It just promotes circle jerking and pretentiousness. Just like film.
>>343074178
I didn't realize Inside sacrificed its gameplay. Can you give an example of this?
>>343064897
no game should get a 10/10
10/10 means its perfect and no game is
>>343074325
You're moving the goalpost.
Anon was referencing the idea of being viewed as an art form, not the subject of the OP itself.
>>343064897
it probably just has some stupid memorable twist that makes retards think it's amazing just because it blew their mind regardless if the rest of the game was garbage.
>>343072892
Is trial and error really even an invalid approach to designing a puzzle game?
I mean, in a game like IWBTG where the game punishes too many errors with starting over or something, sure.
But Limbo doesn't really take issue with you dying, deaths reload quickly and you lose very little in the way of progress. The idea is to learn by doing (and dying), same way the idea in any puzzle game is to try things that don't work until you can learn enough about the puzzle to do the thing that DOES work.
I don't think there's ever been a good puzzle game NOT based on this approach. The closest you can get to a well-designed puzzle without trial and error is bullshit like in the Zelda games where you push the only pushable block into the only place you can push it, until the chimes sound and you're allowed to progress.
>>343073232
And that's somehow better? In the end, you're still doing the same thing multiple times.
>>343074486
Give me an example of a game that sacrificed its gameplay in order to be more artsy.
>>343066553
Is length one of those things that define a video game? What is the length of a videogame by definition then?
>>343074719
The Order: 1886
it's really go tho, too bad it's just 4 hours.
>>343074719
Bioshock Infinite
>>343066178
I say because all of those games are shit. No video game that attempted to be a fucking movie and video game hybrid ever had good gameplay.
>>343064897
>but it will fuel discussion with your friends about it's meaning
translation: It's pretentious fucking garbage, just like Limbo was. Great.
Seriously, that game was some of the most pretentious bullshit I've ever seen. I am honestly fucking curious to see how much worse have they managed to do this time.
>>343073483
That's like /mu/ taking MTV seriously or something
If this game is less than 20 dollars then none of you should be complaining.
>>343074682
Can't for the life of me think of anyone who would want to replay Limbo.
>>343074938
/mu/ is filled with pretentious contrarians.just like /v/
>>343074914
>No video game that attempted to be a fucking movie and video game hybrid ever had good gameplay.
20 fucking dollaroos, oh hell no
>>343074719
>playing stupid this hard
I'll humor you
>Gone Home
>Retention
>Ico
>>343075006
What does that have to do with anything?
>it's another spoopy grimderp indie puzzle platformer
I'm sure the reviewers had good reasons to rank this so higly, I even bet the game is good, but holy shit am I tired of that genre
>>343074914
Opening of Fahrenheit was outstanding, like if De Palma made a video game.
>>343075163
>ico
?
>>343075098
>you need to have the same opinions as mass media journalists otherwise you're a hipster contrarian
>>343072498
Paying 40 for The Witness is one of my larger purchasing mistakes. God that game was fucking awful. Fuck Jonathan Blow, he is stupidly overrated.
>>343074719
Any indie game that got pupolar
>>343073731
We've already got indie journalists from shitty internet sites acting like art goers, so be happy with that. Video games will never be seen as art on a grand stage, and nobody who isn't a hipster gives a shit.
>>343075116
>I spend 11 to 15 dollars on a 2 hour film but not on a 4 hour game
kekenstein
FUCKING YES I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE GOOD
>>343064897
So transparent.
Probably a friend game or some shit like that.
And then is the need of be the first finding a new DEEP indie game.
>>343074867
Bioshock infinite did the opposite of that; the gameplay constantly got in the way of the narrative in a really glaring way entirely because they wanted the gameplay to still be fun.
The gameplay WASN'T fun, but that's because the game was in development hell and got rewritten half a dozen times by three dozen different investor committees and focus groups and it had no well-tuned core experience, not because Levine wanted to "make art".
No art-focused game would feature gathering potato chips from the trash for HP, magical spells that summon crow landmines, vending machines that upgrade your rifle with explosive bullets, an unkillable companion that tosses you ammo mid-fight, a contrived magnetic shield for regenerating HP, etc.
>>343075308
>There is only one side or the other.
>Balance and rational approaches are a sign of weakness.
>>343075163
You better not be shitting on Ico lad.
>>343074801
>>343074867
>>343075163
What elements of these games' gameplay did they sacrifice? Especially in the case of a game like Gone Home, where the gameplay is simple exploration and basic environmental interaction. Did they cut something to make the game more "artsy"?
>>343075328
He embodies the definition of pretentious.
>>343075328
The Witness was excellent.
I mean, if you're not into puzzle games, you wouldn't like it.... But if you're not into puzzle games why would you buy it?
>>343075405
Welcome to /v/.
>>343073524
Two years ago
Well it always was but it got worse two years ago
I'd never thought western devs could insert cinematic bullshit in a platformer but here we are.
Then again Another World already did it.
>>343075389
Nope, it's still the reverse. They took previously established gameplay and actually made it worse. That's called sacrificing gameplay.
Also you don't understand art, at all. Anyone who thinks that all art-focused games are dark, grim and often incredibly annoying to see in a non-well lit room don't actually know anything about art.
>>343075368
you think I go to the movies when I can watch them for free
>>343075437
Gone Home received way too much praise as a game. It did very little and what little it did was nothing exceptional, or even close to being impressive.
>>343075405
Sounds like the motto of /pol/ and sjws
>>343064897
>caring about ign ten outa ten memes
>$20 for a big-budget 90 minute film on blu-ray
>$20 for a 3 hour independent video game
Why is one okay but not the other?
>>343075437
The makers of 1886 actually lamented that they had to include gameplay.
"I think story and visuals are very high. Gameplay is something that... it's a game, we make games, we can't get around it. We love games, but we also love telling stories, so I think story is always going to be at the top because it's what we start with. It's at the top of the pyramid and everything else supports that. I think it'd be more challenging to make a game for the gameplay's sake, then try to make a story that fits in there."
www.computerandvideogames.com/464912/previews/hands-on-and-interview-the-order-1886s-e3-demo-showcases-style-over-substance/
>>343075405
It's the embodiment of Emmanuel Kant's philosophy
That's how it's always been
>>343075437
>moving the goalposts again
>now it's "if you can't offer evidence that something was cut in the dev cycle then no game ever tried to be art more than it tried to be a game"
wew
>>343064897
That doesn't even sound like a review. That sounds like a sales pitch.
>>343075741
A big-budget 90 minute film is actually good.
>>343075446
And to think he spent somewhere around 7 years making The Witness. 7 years, and that's the best he could do. A cumbersome box puzzle game with no discernible plot. Astounding.
I'm convinced that gaming journalists praise these try-hard indy games so hard to try it make it seem like their jobs actually have meaning. Like they're art reviewers as opposed to people who play video games for a living.
>>343064960
Undertale got a gorillion 10s, it spend a long time as the highest rated video game of all time until the outlets that wanted views for being contrarian started giving it 9s and 8s
>>343073524
The gamergate shit brought a lot of people onto this site who had never used it before.
Don't kid yourself though, /v/ has always sucked at games. Back in MvC2 threads when it came out on PSN and Xbox arcade you would rarely find anyone who actually knew how to do real combos.
In Smash threads you use to have people arguing tiers didn't exist and that people made them up.
People on /v/ have always sucked at games and not known shit about them. Like any other skill/hobby there is only going to be a handful of people who actually devote themselves to it to the point that its not a casual hobby anymore.
>>343075857
It's even worse than a pretentious indie game mate
>>343075718
I completely agree, but it didn't sacrifice its gameplay to be "more artsy". It was designed to be simplistic. Poorly designed, but it was never going to have more gameplay than picking up objects and moving around a house. What would it sacrifice?
Seriously, though, I wouldn't even call the game "pretentious" because that would imply it had deeper meaning behind its creative process. It's the most simplistic and sophomoric love story ever told.
>>343075718
>did very little
It had a progressive story. That's enough for a game with virtually no gameplay to get stellar reviews apparently.
>>343074938
no, that's like /mu/ taking rolling stones or the Emmys seriously. MTV gives no shits about music anymore, and they've never been music journalists.
>>343075368
>I spend 11 to 15 dollars on a 2 hour film
Where the fuck do people live that they're spending this much on a movie? I've seen this number before, and it's still higher than I pay for tickets in a pretty expensive part of the US. (Though I have no idea how that translates to ticket prices, honestly).
>>343064897
>"Play it soon before anyone spoils a single big moment for you"
>Game releases a week late on PC
now why would you go and do that
>>343075308
>holding mainstream opinions
>edgy
This has to be the word /v/ has raped the hardest.
>>343075883
Its pretty much known most of them cant play video games, which makes you wonder why they hold their jobs
>>343076002
Having a "progressive" story shouldn't give it a free pass because it's not something you'd typically see in a game.
>>343075741
Because people have been tricked into thinking the movie is a good value.
>>343075691
>ok with stealing
>posts nigger
Nignog detected
>>343064960
Hell no. It got a 10 as well, it's still the best game ever.
>>343076084
That's a dollar or two above what I pay unless it's Imax or something. Doesn't seem totally off base.
>>343075883
>I'm convinced that gaming journalists praise these try-hard indy games so hard to try it make it seem like their jobs actually have meaning.
Absolutely. As well as to feel smart and good about themselves. They're the hip game reviewer who discovered this SO unappreciated game with such DEEP meaning. In fact it's so deep there's no story at all.
I swear, fuck this trend of making art devoid of anything so that people fill in the blanks with whatever stupid shit they have in their head and then think they're smart for "figuring it out".
I minored in creative writing in college and the seminars were full of this shit. People who are too lazy to bother reading all the classics then want to sit there and write something more powerful than them, all the while not realizing that some classic did it better already and they would know that if they were half as cultured as they pretend to be.
>>343075673
Art-focused games are at the very least attempting to be cohesive. Art-focused games at least attempt to hide the contrivances of gameplay in service of their art or theme or narrative.
Order 1886 was a good example; most of the things needed to make that kind of gameplay fun were thrown away because they clashed with the world/story/visuals, and the game suffered severely for their omission.
Another good example is Fable 3, which threw away a number of gameplay elements (HUD, ammo/MP, HP, etc) because Molyneux felt they distracted from the artistry of the game. Fable 3 was worse than Fable 2 because it sacrificed gameplay for artistic concerns.
Not Bioshock Infinite. Bioshock Infinite had worse gameplay than its predecessor (I mean, not MUCH, since Bioshock wasn't great to start with, but whatever), this is true, but it wasn't because of MUH ART focus, it was because the game was just bad.
If B:I "sacrificed its gameplay for art", then so did Duke Nukem Forever. There are other reasons a game can have bad gameplay.
>>343075368
I don't even go to see movies, if I do it's a girlfriend pushing me to go but I dont pay because we can just netflix and chill. I also never buy indieshit. Both arguments dont apply to me zozzle
>>343075741
Most $20 blu-rays give 90 minutes of entertainment.
Most $20 games give way more than 3 hours of entertainment.
It's all about what's in the market. There's no point buying a $20 3-hour long game unless it gives me very exceptional entertainment in these 3 hours. Also the movie comparison is silly because movies being longer is actually detrimental to them as they are a passive medium.
>>343075718
What made it exceptional is how little it did. Environmental storytelling had been done before, but it had always taken a backseat to something else, usually killing monsters. Gone Home said, maybe you don't need that, maybe people will like a game just for its ability to do environmental storytelling.
And they did.
>>343076229
I don't agree with giving Undertale a 10 but that review for Earthbound is spot on. The game is amazing, pretty much perfect even, but the amount of grinding in the first chapter is beyond retarded.
>>343064960
>Possibly great 2deep4u game with nice art style
Yeah, i guess it stands a cha...
>No waifus
I guess discussion will die out in a couple of wee...
>No FURRY waifus or quotable quips
The game is dead in the water.
>>343076138
>why they hold their jobs
Because their jobs are incredibly easy, but hard to get.
>>343075975
>he thinks the video game industry can hold a candle to the film industry
>posts faggot weeaboo picture
Not even worth defending.
>>343064897
>literal walking simulator
You know if this was pixelshit it'd get a 5/10. The only reason this has a 10 is literally GRAPHIXX.
>>343076285
not disagreeing but blurays typically come with bonus content too
>>343076532
>Being tricked into thinking the film industry is as important as it says it is.
>>343075883
>I'm convinced that gaming journalists praise these try-hard indy games so hard to try it make it seem like their jobs actually have meaning.
You're talking about a group of people who have spent most of their lives alone because they are socially retarded, degenerates, or were bullied because vidya used to not be as mainstream and accepted as it is now.
>>343075883
>cumbersome
What. How.
>no discernable story
Well, there was a little bit, but it wasn't about its story. It was about designing puzzles in a way that inspired the feeling of having an epiphany; where the game offers more or less everything up front, and the player's ability to progress is based on what he's learned about the rules of the world so far, not on what macguffins he's accumulated.
I thought it did that admirably. Replaying the Witness, you're astounded by the number of things you missed the first time through just because you didn't look at the world around you the right way, whereas by the end of the game you understand the rules of the world well enough to see all this stuff that was hidden in plain sight.
The only bullshit thing about The Witness was the 60 minute video with a puzzle hidden inside it, but that's one single bullshit puzzle that you don't have to solve, out of 600+
>>343064897
>Play it soon before anyone spoils a single moment
The shilling is real.
>>343076345
No, you're wrong, Earthbound is perfect because it's 30 hours long even if it's filled with grinding and stupid bullshit like the monkey maze. Undertale could never hope to compete against all that padding.
>>343076251
I repeat. You know nothing about art. But you'd make a wonderful game journalist for a small to medium sized label.
>>343073731
Why do you care so much about video games being "art"? Will that really improve them because we put them in a certain category?
>>343076242
I suppose, but when it's only a handle full of dollars to begin with, a couple dollars more is a pretty large relative difference.
Although, I forgot tickets vary wildly depending on showtime and how recent a film came out. Especially if it's popular. Finding Dory is apparently sitting around 10-12 bucks depending on time of day and day of the week.
ITT Pretentious indie side-scrolling platformers
>>343076285
in 1920, you could go to a theatre for a Nickel and stay all day.
Taking inflation and time of the movie into account, that's a 533% increase in cost for the value.
>>343076691
It is? I mean granted video games are awfully popular nowdays but they don't actually come anywhere close to the movie or music industry.
>>343076869
My guess is that people like him will finally have a go to excuse if it's officially labeled as art. That is "well it's art." because up until now when people use it as an excuse, everyone else calls them fucking retarded.
>>343076691
>being tricked into thinking pretentious walking sims with the occasional puzzle are as important as the game industry says they are
nice senpai
>>343076793
>how was it cumbersome
I felt like took fucking forever to get anywhere on the island. You moved way too fucking slow.
I also spent what seemed like hours just wandering around trying to find puzzle to attempt. Sometimes I could see puzzles, and have no idea how to get to them despite the wandering. The crawling movement speed didn't help this.
>>343076345
Wow ur so unique, you like ht esecond most popular game in a genre instead of the most popular. How contrarian of u!
>>343076843
Says the guy claiming Bioshock Infinite was art
Okay
>>343076982
>>343077025
No media industry is as important as it believes itself to be. Pretentious award shows and waxing on about the deeper meaning and social impact behind their entertainment is far more isolated than they want. It's just a circlejerk they try to feed the populous into thinking really matters. It is no more than entertainment, it can never be anything more.
>>343076229
What I don't get is how they can say "well, it's not pretty" and still give it 10/10.
>>343076229
>very difficult early areas
lol wut
The first two towns are easy as shit. Difficulty doesn't ramp up until much later into the game. Apart from those fucking bullshit moving trees in that valley.
>>343077121
No I was just agreeing that they sacrificed gameplay in an ATTEMPT to be "Artsy" as the first guy asked for examples.
Though in my opinion it was less "sacrificing gameplay FOR the art" and more sacrificing time spent on making a good game to focus on the most retarded things imaginable.
>>343076719
We're not talking about /v/
>>343077268
>reviewers are even more retarded than playtesters and fail at the game
KEK.
>>343077259
I agree, but vidya is far below anything like film or literature and you're insane if you think otherwise. It's still in its infancy but it won't improve unless """journalists""" actually critique it instead of being so clickbaity and acting like a PR arm of the devs.
>>343077057
>I felt like took fucking forever to get anywhere on the island. You moved way too fucking slow.
...am I the only person who realized there was a sprint button? Because a lot of people I see just trapsing slowly across the island, like they don't know it's there.
The game literally pops up a tooltip when you first exit the castle, press (LB / Left Shift) to sprint.
It also makes the cursor move faster through the puzzles.
>>343076823
>>343077058
Are you guys flat out retarded? I said I don't agree with giving Undertale a 10, just that their criticism of Earthbound i well deserved.
Earthbound is a better game. I said that, I guess you were just too busy seething with rage that someone DARE insult the great Earthbound and DARE to praise the VILE Undertale.
Truly the heroes we need.
Also if you can't come up with criticisms of a game it's not perfect, by defenition of the fuckign word.
>>343077259
You don't seem to understand the actual effect that actors alone can have on people. There is a reason those trashy magazines sell so well and people will change their habits because Keither Sutherland lost 42 pounds vomiting in his pool after an orgy.
I'm not saying they don't have an inflated sense of worth, especially directors, but saying that they don't actually have an importance with all the money they earn and circulate is foolish.
>>343077420
>sprint button
I'm aware of that. It was still slow, and for the amount of time I spent sprinting around it should have been a toggle not a hold situation.
>>343077263
Because for some reason 10/10 doesn't mean perfect. It seems like a logical disconnect to me, but there you have it.
>>343077315
>Though in my opinion it was less "sacrificing gameplay FOR the art" and more sacrificing time spent on making a good game to focus on the most retarded things imaginable.
Again, though, the real timesink was a lack of direction, it started as a survival horror game and got rewrote from scratch like 3 separate times.
Most of its problems come back to that; wasting huge amounts of time and money on unused assets and systems because they were scrapped on reboot. Not on attempts at artistic merit. Bioshock Infinite never seemed to me like it wanted to be more than just a good videogame.
>>343077268
Frank is kind of hard anon.
>>343077647
You clearly never listened to the people making the game, then.
>>343077539
>You don't seem to understand the actual effect that actors alone can have on people.
They only sway people who have little drive and direction of their own. People who already make very little impact on the world beyond funding the entertainment.
>>343076229
>too hard
This should never be a flaw in itself.
Enemies having too much health or dealing too much damage would be valid.
>>343077772
Did you just make an unwashed masses speech?
>>343077552
...eh. I guess I get your point but I never once felt like "fuck I'm spending a shitload of time walking where I need to go". Certainly no more than shit like Super Metroid.
Then again I took the time to open up most of the one-way doors and boat docks as soon as I found them so the actual distance I had to walk at any given time was fairly minimal.
Can't we just enjoy the game?
We're all going to pirate this anyways.
>>343077737
>Frank
>hard
I hope this is trolling.
Oscar Bait, but for video games. Of course reviewers are going to love it.
Was it made by those Danish queers too? That'd explain it.
>>343077915
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying the cycle is isolated.
The people who obsess over these things aren't going to change the world by the whim of their "idols". I don't mean implying that they're simple cogs, or mindless sheep. That's just ignorance.
>>343071120
>Witcher 3
>game
Mother was pretentious indy shit before the Indy scene existed and turned to shit post 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQUN7QAnMp0
>>343078215
What?
>>343078318
It's a cinematic experience at best. Literally 2016s TLoU. The only thing people praise about the game are things totally unrelated to actual gameplay.
>>343077976
>We're all going to pirate this anyways.
I'm not. If any /v/irgins do pirate it then it'll be just to see how fucking garbage it is. I haven't even played Limbo or whatever the fuck this game is meant to be based on.
>indie puzzle platformer
Who plays this shit? Probably the kind of person who goes on Reddit.
>>343078410
What?
>>343077756
Did they say that they literally scrapped the game twice? Have you seen the massive concept art books full of assets that didn't find their way into the game in any way? When they say "we wanted to make art", did they also say "we ran out of money and by the final stretch of the game's development most of the team had been laid off?"
The development of the game was fucked up on the back end, the ball was SEVERELY dropped. Unless the devs were vocal about that fact and the hardships it imposed, I don't frankly give much of a shit what they had to say about their intentions, they're obviously in spin mode and full of shit. "Making art" is a great cover story for "the game was delayed again because we don't know what the fuck we're doing."
Also, my source for "just wanted to make a good game" is shit like 1999 mode, Elizabeth not being killable, etc., they clearly looked at the game and said "people who play video games will play this, and we know the sort of things they'll want, so we'll put those things in".
All of the HE DOESN'T ROW hamfisted writing in the world doesn't remove that fundamental videogame focus.
>>343064897
Is this going to be another Witness where everybody spergs out about how deep, unique and, innovative it is but then forget about it in a week?
>>343078505
>HE DOESN'T ROW
I still don't get that line. What the fuck were they trying to say?
>>343078437
>Probably the kind of person who goes on Reddit.
>implying only people from Reddit play this
That's Reddiculous!
>>343078215
i do not think you have played witcher 3
>>343077413
Video games combine all previous media formats and make them interactive. They're superior to everything. You can put an art gallery (Splatoon) or radio shows (Grand Theft Auto) or movies (Metal Gear Solid 4) inside of the games, and then build them specifically to fit the character of the video game itself. Whether or not a bunch of immature loser critics can figure it out isn't really an issue.
>>343078579
He's "destined" no never row.
Like with the coin toss thing.
>>343078709
>implying only people from Reddit play this
You think you're not a redditor because you go on both websites? Kill yourself.
>>343078791
4chantastic!
>>343078716
I think you mean "Watched witcher 3"
>>343078937
Do you have brain damage?
Is this some sort of postmodern shitposting?
>>343078579
In all the realities he never rows or even offers to row, so why bother asking.
>>343075549
spoopy
>>343079042
Not an argument
>>343078579
That he doesn't row; as in, that's not what happens.
Like, if you were talking about a character in a book, you might summarize his actions by saying "he gets in a boat, but he doesn't row". It's like that. They've seen your story pan out enough times that they know what does and doesn't happen.
>>343065983
Yeah
>>343078215
Fish aren't supposed to bait the hook, Anon.
>>343079279
Well you actually have to provide evidence first
>>343065026
It's 20 bucks, a little more than the price of a movie ticket that's an hour and a half long. I don't see the issue.
>>343064897
is this the next meme game?
>>343080328
Movie tickets are obscely overpriced.
is this out on torrent?
Have none of you faggots played Limbo, Why do you think it'll have some progressive message from the tumblr boogeyman shoehorned in? It's a playdead game, it's only natural a spiritual successor to Limbo (which was scoring 9s all over the place) with better graphics and sone pretty damn impressive animations would get 10s across the board. Jesus christ, it sure does look like summer.
>>343067872
Ah yes, the mailing list where journalists conspired and blacklisted developers and other journalists who didn't fall in line. Nothing to see here, move along!
>>343080553
>being so poor $10 is overpriced in your eyes
>>343080919
Even taking inflation into account, people pay a shitload more for movies than they used to.
>>343080818
They are just looking for something to be upset about. They hear short indie game and get triggered instantly.
>The last of us
10/10
10/10
10/10
10/10
>Undertale
10/10
10/10
10/10
10/10
and yet I never see anyone talk about these games again
why do review sites do this shit?
>>343081034
So were milkshakes, but I don't hear you complaining about how expensive they are for the amount of happiness they give.
>>343081034
Americans do, a movie and a coke icee will run you about $13, it's pretty fair for a movie.
>>343064897
>it looks like it could be art and we want vidya to be art so I can pretend to be into a sophisticated hobby
>therefore it's 10/10
>we can't subtract points for gameplay because it doesn't have one so still 10/10
That's their thought process when reviewing this
>>343081524
That's because people are so used to it now.
People need to understand that ratings only judge games for what they achieve and not for what they are. A 2D platforming game just cannot be compared to a 3D golfing game.
"Games" is not the common denominator here.
>>343066212
Not that I support "artistic" games that shit on gameplay for the sake of "story", but I would rather have a shorter, good game that provides several hours of fun, than a game that lasts for tens of hours and is full of grind and shitty dialogue.
>Inside is finally here!
>It's officially amazing!
YES! YES ! YES! FUCK YES!
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!
YES!
>>343082807
yes, but some goals are harder to achieve than others. There's so many more ways to fuck up an AAA title.
>>343066489
>>343066623
>Limbo
>anything other than average at best
The game bored me to tears. Why does it get so much praise?
>>343082807
True. /v/ too often judges a game for what it's not rather than what it is. You gotta take each game on it's merits as Johnny Giles would say.
>>343066212
>Implying
Gone Home was 30 seconds long
>>343074914
Star Fox 64
>>343083454
It's the only platformer kids have played. That's it. 3/10 objectively.
>sjw game
>gets 10/10 on an sjw site
???
>>343071957
you have to literally be a bottom feeding pleb to actually think movies are shit
>>343081995
oh and you've already played the game?
cool fucking story bro
>>343066416
>literally a 10/10 for 12 hours
>it keeps going on for another 4
It still pains me, as soon as you get to the hive the game becomes a slog. It didnt even need to be that long, the game came with plenty of side content and a full story DLC on release.
>>343066526
>>343067891
Only faggot SJW ever bring up gamergate anymore. Holy shit give it a fucking rest you invalids.
>>343074719
Gone Home
Journey
Bioshock Infinite(literally spent most of the budget on the world design/art, came with shoddy gameplay and shitty narrative)
MGS4
Silent Hill 4
Amnesia A Machine for Pigs.
>>343086173
A 3 hour game with easy puzzles is not a 10/10 no matter how you look at it and no matter how incredible the story is. It doesn't even have any out of the ordinary mechanics.
There's clearly some "twist" or something to make people pretend it's deep.
It's bioshock infinite all over again.
>>343075103
mgs2 and mgs3 are better but you're still right
>>343066212
Exactly, this is why MGS V is so much better than its predecessors
>>343086406
Sorry bruv, you can't shake the stain so easily. That shit is going to stay with you pathetic conspiracy theorists forever.
>>343087796
(u)
>>343087796
but SJWs did nothing while Gamergate did shit, in the end gamergate won.
I dont see Zoe nor Anita being relevant. Gawker is going away because of the /pol/ and Hogan tag team.
SJWs are laughed at more than ever.
/v/ has let it go for a while now, same with nearly everyone except the still butthurt SJW low tier human trash.
>>343088259
>Gawker is going away because of the /pol/ and Hogan tag team.
top kek m8
you can't seriously think you did anything at all
the biggest laughing stock of this whole fiasco is still gamergate itself
>>343065983
yes
>>343064897
Art direction is great, but the look and tone reminds me too much of Limbo.
>Riveting story
>>343066212
Ameno.
>>343088603
I said /pol/+hogan killed Gawker. Not Gamergate.
You being retarded as fuck is honestly no sweat of my back.
>>343065026
The length doesn't really matter as long as the price is reasonable.
Games like The Order got shit on because of its price to length ratio.
>>343066473
>or david cage faggotry.
To be fair David Cage faggotry tends to be more entertaining (and 3x as long) as the average movie.
>>343090235
/pol/ = gamergate and had nothing to do with it whatever you want to call it
God you're daft
>>343086406
Anon I'm sensing some intense negative vibes radiating from this post. Intense radiation is one of the earliest warning signs of lynks disease and I'd recommend you visit a medical professional immediately.
>>343076035
Same applies to IGN
>too much water is a valid negative point
>>343091207
Dont worry, I am working with clay from a Prison.
>rscottyg in here, on cue, sliding it for MS, sobbing in his EU-funded cuckshed for a game a kettle could run, sobbing over getting blown out at E3 a fortnight on
Fabulous
