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>not a single thread on /v/
what went wrong?
>>342987662
People like you wouldn't stop shitposting so they gave up on any actual discussion here.
For the sake of the thread though, let me just give you what you want.
BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY
FROMDRONES BTFO
SORRY SOULSFAGS :^)
No replay value and little variety in good builds
worth buying 25% off lads?
>>342987889
Hell yes it's a fucking dark souls game dude.
For every sunrise, a sunset.
>>342987837
this
>>342987889
Yeah my man
>>342987662
Endless shitposting about it in the first month.
Like this thread.
normies all jumped ship to the next flavor, namely overwatch
>>342988052
This. Also Overwatch came out.
>>342987662
I honestly don't know
When it was released everyone was making threads about how it was the best souls game ever, and how it was superior to previous installments
>>342987837
this, and also does nothing for the lore
>>342987662
fromdrones assblasted witcher 3 won GOTY
Alright lads
My shitty pc can't run ds3
So I'll have my way with DS, again
Which weapon do yall recommend to turn divine and fight dem spooky skeltons at the catacombs?
>>342987662
>Shit areas
>Magic (including miracles) is the shittiest in the series
>Fanservice
>a lot and I mean a fuck ton of rehash
The DLC is being made while Miyasaki is making three different titles, so it will too be a rush job so they can end the contract with Bamco.
Other games came out
This is how every fucking game that comes out is on /v/
Even Undertale, which caused some of the most shitflinging ever here had 0 discussion after a few months
>>342988138
I think it's the best game in the series, I just send more time playing it than shitposting about it.
Even then /v/ is for hating games while /vg/ is for liking them.
>>342988256
I bestow this build onto you my child.
You can use Divine, or Dark, whichever you want.
>>342987837
This. NG+ has nothing different except upgraded rings. Weapons are so unbalanced that any build that isn't 40/40 str/dex is garbage. Straight swords are the best weapons by far, only heavy weapon worth using is the BKGA. Parrying is too easy and the Hornet Ring is too powerful makes 95% of parries a one shot kill. Magic is shit unless you invest 60 in a stat. It just got old fast.
I just started playing Friday and I'm enjoying it probably as much as 1 and way more than 2. I've recently beaten the Abyss Watchers. Looks better, plays better. I don't see why anyone without would cry honestly. But I'm a casual souls guy and don't let trivial things ruin my fun.
any tips to beat the nameless king?
/v/ discussion consists of a few things
>Ecelebs/Industry stuff
>Offtopic
>Games that just came out that are enjoying plenty of shitposting
>Older games whose generals either died (Witcher 3) or were kicked out of by newer games (New Vegas, Bloodborne) where they constantly call their game the greatest of all time
DS3 doesnt fit anywhere here
>>342988430
w-what if I'm already halfway through the game, with a dex build?
>>342987662
The pvp is trash and they got rid of the good things 2 did add. Honestly I think we all got tired of Souls as expected. DaS2, Bloodborne and DaS3 should have been 1 game. From blew their load when DaS was a hit and tried to keep printing money. It worked but we now have a flawed masterpiece, an amazing spinoff and a lackluster finale instead of a perfect sequel.
>>342988757
Then just use Astora SS.
>>342988430
>You now remember you used to need to be below 25% equip load to get a decent roll.
>>342988717
when the dragons spits fire, run to its left and hit it from a distance. use a hornet ring to get a stab in it. when he is on foot, be patient as fuck and just do a single roll and 1 hit. don't be a greedy fuck. if you want to try to stagger him with something like DMB and sellswords then you better be behind him. otherwise use grass creast+green blossoms since the 2nd half is a stamina/roll game
>>342988917
>not turning invisible
>>342987889
most definetly. Not best in the series, but the world is better for having it anyways
>>342987662
I had a fantastic time with it. Spent maybe 2 weeks (~80 hours) with it and nothing but. Went through a playthrough and maybe halfway through another on NG+, Had my fun with PVP too. Well worth the money, maybe I'll start another play through on of these days, but I've had my fun with it for the most part (until DLC).
>make strength build
>look to infuse weapon with heavy
>refined does more damage
>make dex build
>look to infuse weapon with sharp
>refined still does more damage
>make any build
>look to infuse weapon with anything
>refined is still better
Strength of each game
>Dark Souls 1 = best replayability
>Dark Souls 2 = best pvp (if you have that fucking gay ass ring)
>Dark Souls 3 = fails at doing both well
Lore of each game
>Dark Souls 1 = new, unique, and interesting
>Dark Souls 2 = absolutely nothing new happens in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the world that isn't somehow tangentially related to the characters and events that we've already seen from the first fading age, with the exception of Giants getting involved, brief time traveling, and Aldia (the most interesting and mysterious NPC in the series)
>Dark Souls 3 = absolutely nothing new happens in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the world that isn't somehow tangentially related to the characters and events that we've already seen from the first fading age, with the exception of nothing but hey at least it's not Dark Souls 2
Bosses aside, Dark Souls should have stayed as dead as Demon's Souls.
what if instead of the game having you invade as 1 person against 3 players, you get 2/3 people invading simultaneously with a host and similar white/yellows?. it will let the gankers be ganking faggots and the invaders won't have to deal with just settling for insta kill combo builds like sellswords/DMB or straight sword/ parry yhorm's great machete
>>342988717
Play the game
>>342988717
Hit him until he dies.
>>342988717
Use the infused meme sword and spam R1 while periodically dodging.
>>342989384
>Aldia (the most interesting and mysterious NPC in the series)
Out of all the characters that could have come back, why wasn't he one of them? Dude didn't even die after his fight, and is immortal, so they wouldn't even need to pull any time shenanigans.
I don't feel the need to go back to it like I did with DS1, but playing through DS3 and the 40 or so hours of PVP I got in before putting it away was probably the best souls fun of my life.
It also ruined DS1 for me. It just doesn't feel as good now that I've tasted the improvements 3 made.
>>342988498
Some decent enough weapons can't be parried. If you are losing to parries switch it up a bit.
As for longswords being the best... I've found the dragon slayer greataxe with the lightning clutch ring ring and some other shit I've already forgotten was just free wins in both 1v1s and gank situations. Nothing more satisfying than hitting multiple people with the L2, and generally 1 hitting at least one of the phantoms.
>>342989867
>>342989384
There will be a DLC fags
>make a game based on poise
>remove poise
>wonder why its shit
>>342990046
A DLC made by D-Team. Miyasaki is working on three different titles at the moment.
>>342990046
>I get to pay MORE money just to make my game memorable
oh boy!
At the very fucking least this series has had a consistently excellent history of great DLC
>>342990270
DS2 dlcs were hit and miss tbhfam.
>>342990213
The DLCs were always good in the past games and prolongued the life of the games
>>342990270
I have no problem with Souls DLCs because I know they are good and it was never the developer's choice to release every Souls game so fast, but Namco's. The deadline killed the second half of Dark Souls 1 and killed Dark Souls 3's replaybility.
in the catacombs, why are there dead capra demons lying about on the floor? what's the lore/story behind this?
>>342990421
These a lot of stupid bullshit that was just as insufferable as the worst parts of DS2, but it also added the best parts of that game.
>>342990270
>At the very fucking least this series has had a consistently excellent history of great DLC
>viable builds before lvl 120 can be counted on one hand, after losing fingers in a work accident
>areas all range from shit to simply decent
>fanservice and references shoved down your throat, no originality whatsoever
>poise
I honestly found DS2 more memorable. Dropped this as soon as I defeated the final boss, haven't even touched NG+.
>>342990792
>this one optional area that isn't even 10% of the big DLC
KILL SELF
>>342988917
>tfw you miss the old days when rolling used stamina
>>342990619
they died
>>342990792
It's not fair to post the objectively worst, shittiest part of the entire SoulsBorne series to prove me wrong, anon
No Souls game is good untill the DLC is out.
>>342990619
Black Knights decided to storm the ruins and wreck some serious shit on it, wich is why you can find two of them fucking around.
>>342988303
>Magic (including miracles) is the shittiest in the series
i don't get this meme. i'm using miracles and they are kind of OP, and the sorceries are better than ds1 sorceries too so far(faster and good damage)
its not shit just because you cant instakill people and bosses with black magic like in ds1 and 2, or troll them with tranquil walk of peace
>>342990070
Making armor almost a cosmetic item is definitely one of the worse ideas in 3. It worked for Bloodborne because Bloodborne was a whole different game with a different flavor, but in a DS game I expect poise to exist and be important.
>Poise is supposedly absent
>Poise still functions with iron flesh
What the clusterfuck?
>>342991427
>miyazaki
>dark souls 2
>>342991427
Really? Then when is the next DLC for DaSII? The game is still shit! When will new DLC fix it?
kill yourself like you did to the franchise, r/masterrace
Dark Souls 2 will always be the most engaging in terms of both gameplay and story, 3 genuinely just didn't satisfy me with what it went for in terms of fanservice and catering to the autists.
>>342991427
Dark Souls and Bloodborne had more discussion in all fairness. DS2 had also a lot of threads but a lot of them were about the downgrade and then later, as with DS3, about complains after the honeymoon phase.
>>342987662
thank fucking god
I've been getting so tired of see souls shit over the past few years. Especially when it got ported to PC
rip in peace
>>342987662
They milked it too much.
>>342991638
Not just poise either but the defense bonus from having armor equipped in every slot. It's stupid that not wanting to roll with a helmet makes you so much squishier than wearing a piece of rag over your mouth.
>>342991682
Iron Flesh has a unique effect that's different from how DS3 handles poise.
Also, strictly speaking poise still exists, it just does a completely different thing from what it used to.
>>342992226
>it just does a completely different thing from what it used to.
>Proven wrong by multiple videos showing poise actually does nothing
>>342991758
>Dark Souls 2 will always be the most engaging in terms of both gameplay and story
Only person who could think that is someone who started with DaS2.
>>342991514
i see. i thought the other creatures killed them off like how the old demon king killed all those demons piled up in his lair
Pretty much all of the NPCs had bad endings except Siegward.
>>342992226
>Also, strictly speaking poise still exists, it just does a completely different thing from what it used to.
FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHITTY MEME FROM REDDIT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE
I HOPE YOU GET A SEIZURE NEXT TIME YOU READ 20 PARAGRAPHS OF TESTING WHICH IS PURE BULLSHIT
DAMN I AM MAD
why are the NPCs so lacking? they only have a few lines and they repeat them over and over again
>find havel in the game
>he's fast rolling and has a shitload of health
>wanna do a havel build
>equip his armor, shield and tooth
>can't roll obviously, guess i need his ring too
>equip it, still can't roll
>need havel's ring +2, ring of favor +2 and prisoners chain, plus 87 Vit in order to fast roll
>>342992382
this, i like megaman x 6 because it was my first and this is clearly the case with him with dark souls 2
ds2 is worst in all aspects and the fan service is even worst, because its not even in the same place or at the same time, yet there are countless refferences and items of ds1 everywhere. also, the gameplay is shit and floaty, awful hitboxes, dark souls 2 is quantity over quality:the game
>hey what about making the player fight 2-3-more shitty bosses at the same instead of a good one?
>what about we add a lot of armor, but most of them look like shit?
>who cares about landscapes? just put some trees
>who cares about lighting and textures? having more FPS is the more important thing!
>>342991728
But it doesn't need more DLC, you just need to stop having shit taste.
So is this game better than 2 at least?
Pvp is horrible, NO POISE, new game plus is piss easy. It's a short game even dark souls 2 had a lot more content without the dlc's. I play souls for pvp but I will not play this broken trash.
>>342987889
Its not worth pirating desu.
>>342993017
>add a lot of armor
I was taking your post seriously, but now your ebin man of many armor meme has gone too far.
>>342993017
>>hey what about making the player fight 2-3-more shitty bosses at the same instead of a good one?
Are you saying there's a large amount of good bosses in DaS1 and DaS3? Because that's not really true.
>>what about we add a lot of armor, but most of them look like shit?
You can at least mix them easily unlike the other games.
>>who cares about landscapes? just put some trees
>who cares about varied landscapes? just put some castles and cathedrals
>>who cares about lighting and textures? having more FPS is the more important thing!
Yes, good FPS is important. To add to this, everything looks like clay in DaS3 and darkness is the least used in this game compared to the other games.
Rehash centeral. WE all saw the fall at DS2. BB's only feature was being exclusive for console war fuel. Bring out rehash#5 that does nothing new and well... yeah nobody cares after a month or so.
>>342993017
>ds2 is worst in all aspects
>Except quantity, that doesn't count.
Let alone linearity, build variety, combat mechanics (unless you enjoy punish-free estus and rolls that cost no stamina), and area variety.
This part must be a joke
>who cares about landscapes? just put some trees
when all of the areas of DS3 are the same castle, swamp, forest, catacombs motif from DS1 without any of the cool areas from DS1 like Ash Lake or the Great Hollow.
DaS3 would be the best soulsgame if it was the first soulsgame
anyway, /dsg/ has its golden age now. Basically, all the people interested in an actual discussion went to /vg/ and shitposters moved on to Overwatch
>>342993920
>DaS3 would be the best soulsgame if it was the first soulsgame
I'm fairly sure it would still be a linear mess with no replayability.
>>342994069
>linear mess
Just as much as DaS and BB were.
>>342994273
>Just as much as DaS
When I made a flowchart comparing the linearity of DS2 and 3, I did not even consider DS1 because even a child knew that it was the most nonlinear game in the series next to DeS.
Compare the number of optional bosses alone, then for the mandatory bosses compare how many of them you can do out of order.
I mean, fuck, DS1 at least has the courtesy of letting you do the four lord souls in the order you want.
DaS3 has the most fun bosses overall. With the exception of Yhorm and Wyvern, they were all at least decent. Other than that >>342988498
>>342992704
in all games except demons souls most characters have bad endings, specially bloodborne and then ds1. it's not a surprise.
>>342987662
Is the lord of Cinder the main protag from DS1?
>>342995124
Try playing the game to find out.
>>342993643
dark souls 1 armor sets:56
dark souls 2 armor sets:105
>meme
>>342995310
>game is more vague than your mother vagina
>implying you can get the story by just playing
>>342987662
>tfw faggots turned Dark Souls Threads into the new Undertale Threads
>>342995497
How about reading one fucking item description then?
>Since Lord Gwyn, the first Lord of Cinder, many exalted lords have linked the First Flame, and it is their very souls that have manifested themselves as defender of the flame.
>>342987662
Nothing went wrong you autistic fat kissless virgin. The game is great, just like DS1 and DS2. I and thousand others enjoy playing it.
>>342987889
Yes it is, all Dark Souls games are great and actually proper games with proper gameplay. Buy it asap + the season pass.
It's just not fun
Im playing through it for the first time right now. I have just hit Lothric Castle, so I believe I am halfway through the game? Here are some first impressions.
First off my old pc couldnt even play it at 20 fps, so I have had to buy a totally new machine for this game.
In the first five hours of Dark Souls 1 you explore a large variety of exotic areas, such as the town, the mystical forest, the sewers, blighttown, the lava level. In Dark Souls III, everything looks identical. Same brown/grey atmospheres everywhere. The only area that really breaks the trend of brown/grey is the swap, and that level is boring. The snow level/anor londois so short that it doesnt even matter (sorry, I cant remember all of these names).
the bosses for Dark Souls I allowed for virtually any kind of build to kill it, be it stronk, dex, magic etc. All of the bosses in Dark Souls III demand dex characters. All of the sword fighters jump around all over the place and swing their swords fast. I mean sure you can shield it, endure it, parry them if your good, but I have yet to run into a slow bossfight, save the tree.
Also, throwbacks literally everywhere. It feels forced, like if the devs are constantly shouting "remember THIS?"
It's...probably the worst Souls game. I mean..it's fun...controls are nice...but..in comparison with Dark Souls I, it's garbage.
>>342989384
Kill yourself subhuman motherfucker.
Dark Souls 1 = Amazing.
Dark Souls 2 = Amazing.
Dark Souls 3 = Amazing.
They are actually proper games, no minimap, no handholding, no easy mode combat, no easy mode story feeding, GAMEPLAY IS THE MAIN ASPECT OF THE GAME, it isn't an interactive movie like Uncharted 4 // The last of us (the shit of cucks) // Witcher 3 (shitter 3).
The Dark Souls franchise is great and a diamond in the insane sea of shit that gaming has become.
>>342996607
wtf fuck off pole, what is this shit
>>342996607
What the fuck am I looking at?
>>342996087
>>342996208
>>342996303
>>342996659
Filtered :^)
>>342991019
Fuck off retard, all Dark Souls games are amazing, kys irl faggot.
>>342996928
looks like some deranged family tree. This one is better.
>>342996887
>>342996928
what does it take to finish souls games without non-mandatory content.
>>342997217
MODS MODS MODS please ban this heretic
>>342997013
I filtered your whore mother from "whores to fuck list" after her anal hole became too loose.
neck yourself kid.
>>342996659
>>342997217
the only good things about ds2 are the parts where you go to the past on the war against the giants and when you talk with vengarl head
>>342997217
DaS2 is shit
filtered
>>342997052
this shit in super wrong wtf.
>>342996659
>purposely ignoring half of the post that rates the gameplay
Would people be less inclined to shitpost if we removed tripfaggotry?
>>342993396
That's complicated. The short answer is 'no'. The long answer is, 'you'll probably like it more than Dark Souls 2, even though it's not as good.'
>>342996659
Stop trying to make this pasta
>>342997316
Still absolute garbage. Poland should be glassed.
>>342997489
I've noticed that Dark Souls 3 is worse than the sum of it's parts.
It has decent graphics compared to the other games, good music, memorable bosses, and yet it doesn't feel anywhere near as good to play as Dark Souls 1.
>>342997706
>Poland should be glassed.That's why I'm moving out of this country this summer. Jesus fucking christ I hate this shithole
>>342997489
>dark souls 2
>good
this always take a good laugh of me
>>342987662
It's the third game, fifth if you count "spin-offs"
No duh there are no threads
>>342997709
It just doesnt feel anything like Dark Souls to begin with. Dark Souls is high fantasy inspired by greek/roman/every kind of ancient mythical legend. Dark Souls III doesnt feel anything like that, its just muddy terrain everywhere with gravestones and dead bodies.
>>342995497
If you were in front of me right now I would beat the fucking blood out of your subhuman cancerous mouth you dumb piece of shit.
1. You are not a gamer, leave this hobby/entertainment industry, GO READ A FUCKING BOOK, GO WATCH A MOVIE OR SERIES. You "muh easy mode spoon fed story" fags are the reason for cancer "games" that aren't games, but interactive movies, like Shitter 3 and The last of Fags.
2. Dark Souls has a great story, bu it isn't the main aspect of the game, the GAME PLAY IS. If you weren't a stupid faggot, you could READ THE FUCKING ITEM DESCRIPTIONS, LOOK AT THE BOSSES AND AREAS AND THE BOSS ABILITIES AND FIGURE IT OUT.
But, you are just a subhuman low IQ mongrel used to shit tier games with mini maps, easy mode combat and spoon fed interactive movie stories.
Neck yourself irl faggot, wish you were here so I could brutalize you subhumans.
Dark Souls franchise is the greatest franchise in gaming in the last decade.
>>342997995
Have it your way, Dark Souls 2 sucks, and Dark Souls 3 sucks harder.
>>342998447
No it don't
>ds2 fans will defend this
>>342997662
I am telling you the truth you dumb low IQ motherfucker. Why don't you refute what I say? Because you can't, you beta faggot manlet virgin subhuman.
Why the fuck do you play a game if there is no challenge to it? Why the fuck would you play a game with minimap? too stupid to memorize or figure the area out on your own? Why do you play a game to have spoon fed story, instead of trying to figure it out and discover it on your own? Just go watch a fucking movie/read a book/watch a series. Why do you play a game if there is no risk of defeat or death? Original games came with something called GAME OVER // YOU DIED. Fuck off subhuman, retarded low IQ brain dead mongrels like you are the reason why gaming went to shit.
Dark Souls franchise was the only single player game franchise I've been able to actually enjoy, because it isn't easy mode cancer made for brain dead autists, I thought I was getting too old for games, turns out most single player games were absolute dogshit and Dark Souls proved it to me.
That is why i will only keep playing Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 until another proper single-player game franchise WITH GOOD GAMEPLAY comes along. Besides this, I'll just play competitive multiplayers.
Fuck off from gaming, you subhumans ruin it.
>>342998167
Are you the guy that was defending watching youtube walkthroughs yesterday and now you're salty everyone ignored you?
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>>342998447
Your whore mother sucks my cock and your whore sister sucks my cock even harder.
DS1, DS2, DS3 are all great games.
Neck yourself irl.
>>342998770
Is this nigga fo real?
>>342998784
No, all "walkthroughs", "watchthroughs", "lets play" and "twitch" subhuman cancerous mongrels should be burned alive.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GAMING COMMUNITY, WHY WOULD YOU WATCH A GOD DAMN FUCKING GAME INSTEAD OF PLAYING IT YOURSELF?????
DIE MOTHERFUCKERS, DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>>342988303
I just got this game and I've been playing a sorcery build. I infused a crystal weapon, and that has been treating me pretty well. Great Heavy Magic Arrow or w/e was pretty solid early game, and now I have Soul Spear which is also p good. Although, it's probably shit in PvP because all of the spells except the Farron spells have such long cast times.
>>342989384
Dark Souls lore has always been shit, it's just that people feel smart when they "piece it together"
Besides that, DS2's lore really wasn't that bad. It wasn't trying to tell some grand story. It was more introspective, analyzing the state of the world.
>>342999165
I admire how dedicated you are to your character.
>>342996659
>no minimap
>there's an option to turn them on on every single sould games
Come on lad
>>342997339
Filtered :^)
>>342987837
>and little variety in good builds
This shit sucks so much.
Despite a lot of problems 2 had, one of the best things about it was that the majority of weapons were perfectly viable.
I did several vastly different builds in 2 and never felt gimped.
Everything that isn't a rapier or a straight sword fucking sucks in 3.
Dark Souls 2 sucks for a lot of reasons. Floaty movement, soul memory, graphics downgrade, hit detection, and other stuff. The thing is that Dark Souls 3 is worse not because of the gameplay or hit detection, but because its the weakest/easiest/most boring Dark Souls in the trilogy.
The bosses are fucking pathetic. Literally all of them just being normal sized dude , a bigger dude, and a fucking tree. Most of them are uninspired and boring to fight.
The enemies in this game pose little threat. Most of them having telegraphed combos or hits. The real trouble is the small enemies that have daggers or other small weapons. The removal of poise (Poise does nothing. Several videos on youtube prove that Poise does not give you more Iframes or damage reduction) allows you to get staggered in full Havels with the wolf ring by a fucking meth addict thrall thief.
>>342987662
Literally zero build variety considering everything but fast weapons are pure shit
Literally pig disgusting pvp
Literally zero replay value
Even Dark Souls 2 survived for a lot longer yet people love trashing it as the worst in the series
>>342999498
Virginborne is not a souls game you dumb motherfucking console cuck. It is piss easy, it is a disgrace.
>regain lost hp by retaliating (EASY MODE N00B SHIT)
>unlimited healing with blood that drops from easy mode trash npc that can be farmed semi afk from save spots
I fucking hate you PS4 subhuman virginborne low IQ mongrels, don't ever call your shitty game a Souls game, it isn't and never will be, that is why it doesn't have the title SOULS in the title.
It is easy mode shit, made for kids, that is why it is console only.
I would break your neck irl if you were here.
>>342989384
I don't know how anybody can say with a straight face that vanilla Dark Souls 1 is better than vanilla Dark Souls 3.
No fucking way, even the DLC only just makes it as good as Dark Souls 3.
Dark Souls 1 was fucking dogshit the moment you reached Dukes Archives and the bosses for the most part were boring shits. PVP to this day is garbage and overall, I don't get the hype.
Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3 > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 2
>>342999347
lmao, fucking subhuman low IQ mongrel, not our problem you are too stupid to figure it out.
Go play your shit tier subhuman "games" a.k.a interactive movies like Shitter 3, The last of cucks etc.
neck yourself dog.
>>342999776
Why are you so mad tho? It's like you like cherry picking other game's faults and then ignore the pile of shit that is Dark Souls 2.
Also,
>Bloodborne is not a Soulsborne game
Excellent meme my friend, next you're gonna tell me Bloodborne doesn't have the best boss in the series.
>>342999634
A lot of weapons are viable in DS3 you absolute shitter, gitgud or shut the fuck up, don't blame the weapon variety because you suck balls at the game.
neck yourself irl dog.
>>342999776
Screencap your copy of Bloodborne with a timestamp.
The complete and utter unviability of heavy weapons killed the game for me.
>>342999654
the npcs have few dialogues, but their quests are good, unlike ds2 quests. the npcs are one of the things i most like about dark souls. and yes the bosses could be better, but remember that because we played a lot of other souls games they look easier to us but they are super hard to someone that didn't played the other souls games before.
i'd rather a thousand times play ds3 again than play ds2 again. even not being much interesting to replay it.
>>342999926
DS // DS2 // DS3 >>>>>>>>> DeS >>>>>>>>> my shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virginborne.
>>343000128
>Implying I would pay for shit
No, I played it my friends and thanked the god I didn't buy it with my own money. If I had it, I would burn it and record the burning to YouTube, then I would douse it with my piss, it is all that virginborne cancer deserves.Easy mode garbage made for kids.
>>342999926
Dark Souls 1 actually had a well thought out, well designed world with a lot of potential for sequence breaking and actual exploration. It had build/playstyle variety. It had a lot of unique, memorable encounters. The lore was original and interesting instead of a bunch of fucking nonsense riddled with fanservice. Sure the late game areas were shitty, but the high points were above and beyond the bland mess that is Dark Souls 3. The only good thing about 3 are the boss fights but they take up a very small chunk of your playtime.
>>343000475
Didn't think so.
>>343000179
Heavy weapons are viable, gitgud shit tier subhuman faggot, don't blame the game when you suck balls at it.
>>342998770
So minimaps are cancer but e sports trash and shooters are fine?
>>343000324
>Bloodborne last
Wew lad, is like you hate games that reward aggressive and efficient combat while also not spoonfeeding you with replenishing able healing items.
>>343000216
>but their quests are good,
There are three actual quests but they are so short and spaced so far that they don't even feel like a challenge
>Married
>Sunless
>Onion knight
Geriat doesn't count since its not actually a quest
>>343000506
>don't think so
Mini map for brain dead low mongrels, making the game easy mode.
Regain lost hp from a hit by retaliating, making the game easy mode.
Unlimited healing by farming blood from easy mode trash mobs, making the game easy mode.
There is no risk or challenge to virginborne, it is a cucked easy mode game for kids, that is why it is console only.
>>342987662
I loved it more than Dks1 after completing it.
I really mean it, it has so many variety in levels that I loved exploring everything, from a swamp, to catacombs, to a snowy castle. It's the MOST consistent in quality across the game. It doesn't ever have a lost izalith moment .
Only problems it has is the invasions are ruined by pussies who coop, some covenants are useless , some don't even work , magic and miracles are fucked, and some other minor things (too many bonfires)
But to appreciate Dks3 you NEED to play through Dks1, it just has so much references and nods to the other games that you will not get the full experience just by playing this one only.
For being the last game in the series they really nailed it down really well and fixed what was wrong in dks2 and the disappointment that game brought.
I'm hoping the DLC takes place in the east where you fight oni ( Some weapon lore states there are oni in the dks world), or a desert since we've never gotten a good dessert level before.
>>342987662
You mean, what went right? Finally Dark Souls is fucking dead or dying. Thank the gods.
>>343000607
Virginborne has the easiest combat out of them all and has the easiest healing out of them all. You actually defend unlimited healing via farming blood. You actually defend regaining lost hp from an enemy hit by retaliating.
Fucking virginborne cucks and their easy mode game, the biggest mistake was making virginborne, it is an abomination, not a true souls game, too easy.
>>343000780
>he actually took the bait and thinks Bloodborne has a minimap because he saw that photoshopped pic
Thanks for proving you never played Bloodborne.
On another note, can we agree Ludwig is the best boss in the series?
I would say Ludwig is objectively the best boss in the series, not by a hughe margin tho. Admittedly, bosses like Artorias come close to him, but Luwig is just good in all departments (visual design, lore, music, the actual fight) + it tied the moonlight greatsword to the lore in a bigger way than Dark Soul's lol this just came from a dragon tail.
The other great bosses in the Souls games usually fall flat in one department, being forgettable music (Artorias, fume knight) minimal/small presence in the game's overall lore (kalameet) etc.
Ludwig is just great overall.
>>343000840
Also should mention the above anons were right about build variety, the pvp is Just horrendus because of it.
>>343000840
Where was the Snowy Castle in DS3?
>>342997217
thank you for using a trip so I can easily filter you, friend.
>>343000780
>unlimited healing
>minimap
t. Someone who never played the game
>>343001009
Okay.
they did the same shit for 3 games
got boring.
>>343000591
I don't waste my time watching games and enabling e-sport, those who do are subhumans and their loss. E-sport only negative effect on gaming is when games are designed to become e-sport, which usually ends up in failure, instead of just being fun and competitive and becoming popular and eventually an e-sport. Regardless, I couldn't give a shit about e-sports, it is a non factor and will remain so, it isn't a real sport, it is trash and artificial and has no future.
>>342988498
I exclusively use Profaned Greatsword and I never lose to a straight sword spammer or rapier spammer
>>343000629
>npc quests
>challenge
wtf? if you want challenge fight the enemies and bosses and not talk with npcs this is obviously not a challenging thing
>>342987889
never buy over 50%
>>342997709
That's because you already played Dark Souls 1.
If it was your first game of the series you'd probably like it just as much as DS1
>>343000780
>minimap
edglord tripfag cunt thinks hes all important but really needs to just wash dey ass 12yr old detectednoone recognises your trip, you dont have an online presence, fuck off
>>343000840
>fixed what was wrong in dks2
What exactly did it fix? All I can think of is that it added shortcuts which it still managed to fuck up by making it formulaic. The bonfire warping from the start is still there meaning travelling the world isn't needed. The world's still a series of disconnected lines leading to dead ends. There's even less sequence breaking, early game gear and playstyle variety. The game's idea of difficulty comes from throwing a lot of enemies at you still, except now instead of predictable enemies with poise it's a lot of trash mobs with lengthy combos and no poise so all the fights play out the same. The lore is fanservice and brings nothing new to the table. The NPC's are not only forgettable but also buggy as hell.
>>343001009
>unlimited healing
Nice meme, you're only ever allowed to have 20 blood vials. Also, the regain sustem is designed to replace how in Dark Souls you had to wait for an opening to heal. When you get hit, you dodge efficiently and instead of healing you hit hack to effectively have only to heal hal of the damage. Bloodborne bosses are already made to fit this type of gameplay.
>>343001009
>this mad
So glad Dark Souls is dying.
>>343001336
>if you want challenge fight the enemies and bosses
Dark Souls 3 bosses and enemies are not challenging. Seeing how you like the quests I assume you're another faggot who just plays games for "The stories". A typical faggot who defends Dark Souls 3 because "muh feels" when talking to a npc. As long as something looks pretty or sounds good it doesn't matter if its boring as shit or not fun. Kill yourself
>>343000936
It isn't dead and will never die, I will keep playing DS1, DS2 and DS3 for at least 10 more years, one of the few franchises that is actually a PROPER GAME with PROPER GAMEPLAY.
Fuck off and go watch your interactive movie games like Shitter 3, Unfarted 4 and The last of fags.
Should I buy SoTFS or pirate it, is the pvp worth it?
>>343001726
PvP is deader than dead.
>>343001707
(You)
5th game, same shit. Everyone's tired of it, even fromsoft
>>343001009
>The anger
Couldn't beat Rom there buddy?
>>343001009
Reminder Dark Souls 3 is baby's first souls game.
>>342987662
BB syndrome
no replay value
NG+ is shit
no variety in builds
tl;dr - wait for the DLC.
>>343001810
still active for me, usually get summoned within a minute. Co-op is a bit dead tho
>>343001241
You're Indian aren't you?
>have started a new game of DS3 like 8 times and always get bored halfway through, haven't even finished it
>just finished a second playthrough of DS1
I don't feel like I'll ever finish it. I'd honestly rather go back to SotFS
>>343000780
>Mini map for brain dead low mongrels
Wew lad, way to prove you never played it]
>Regain lost hp from a hit by retaliating
Now you're just shitting on one of the best mechanics. This ones hard to master, and not a lot of people can rely on it
>Unlimited healing by farming blood from easy mode trash mobs
How is this any different than getting unlimited estus at bonfires? You can carry the exact same amount of both in both series
>Im shit at Bloodborne and want to bait people
FTFY
>>343002152
See>>343002174
Also:
Dark souls 3
>few months after release
>discussion already died
Bloodborne:
>one and a half year after release
>still active with lots of threads and discussions
Dark Souls 3 is when people realized the formula got too stape even for miyazaki to save
>>343002190
I spent like 150 hours going through the game on PS3 and got invaded once. By a dude who opted to guide me through the level instead.
Maybe the scene is different on PC IDK.
>>343001726
Why would you pirate a game franchise that actually deserves money?
I wouldn't spend 2 euros on the last of fags, shitter 3, unfarted 4, but I would gladly spend full price on any true DS game (virginborne not a true DS game).
Already bought DS3 two times, one as a gift and for my self. Might buy one more just to show support and dedication.
>>343002384
What the fuck is that image trying to convey?
>>343002174
Anon, I've played both, DaS3 is harder. Bloodborne you do a bit less damage, but every hit staggers, even against huge bosses, so you can chain a bunch together. DaS3 I rarely saw a stagger.
>>343002490
~700 damage on bloodborne's first boss = 1/2 of how much damage you would do to one of Dark Souls 3's half-way boss with 500 damage. Dark Souls 3 have ridicolously low health.
>>343002449
I'm on ps3 though. It's pretty active.
>>342987662
LMAO DUDE 3 FUCKING ORNSTEINS
>>343002681
Which assumes that the damage values are equivalent across games, which is dumb, especially given how much easier Bloodborne bosses were to hit.
>>343002681
You're probably the same faggot that thinks giving enemies more health is artificial difficulty
>>343002453
>retarded tripfag shilling this hard
Yeah im pirating it just to trigger you
>>343002681
Not really a good comparison m8. Bloodborne is more aggressive by nature, so it makes ense for them to be like that
Quality thread, boys.
>>343002847
Holy fuck this is hilarious
>>342987662
The fucked up balance and lack of value in defense is really killing the game
Armor does almost nothing at all, while the stat values between the knights armor, drakeblood armor and Havel's armor are huge, their actual in game applications are far from huge and the difference is minimal.
Because Poise is non-existent, You often find other players always having the ability to get 2-3 hits successfully without fail or interuption. This means every time you get hit by something you're almost ALWAYS stuck long enough to get hit again. IE greatswords, shortswords and UGS. You're always gonna get hit once then immediately hit after no matter how many times you spam the roll button.
Shortswords still aren't fixed and are still the highest DPS weapons around.
>>343002929
>shitposter extraordinaire thinks this thread is shit
>>343002449
Lmfao, any retard that didn't get a PC to play the best versions of DS1, DS2 and DS3 is not a true DS fan. Get cancer console fags, get a life and get a damn job so you can actually buy a decent PC and get the best experience possible.
No wonder a minority of retards don't like DS, they play it at their 20 fps consoles, lmfao, fucking mongrels.
>>343002809
It can be, but not really in Bloodborne's case, because there's so many opportunities to get hits in. DaS3 requires you be a lot more patient and careful, Bloodborne you can kind of just swing like an idiot and you'll often come out on top.
>>343002681
>Dark Souls 3 have ridicolously low health.
the damage threshold is much lower though, its proportional
Demon's Souls was the only good one
>Dark souls 2
>every boss is a ugly dude with a sword or generic medieval fantasy shit like a medusa or a bunch of skelies
What the fuck happened?
>I'm the only one whose favorite game is DaS 2.
-Soul Memory let me make the character I wanted without worrying about not being able to play with other people.
-Each area was fun and had to inspect every nook and cranny for collectables, unlike the other two games where level design takes a hit in favor of being better inter-connected with the rest of the game world and/or graphics.
-Actually advanced the plot (although mainly via DLC) by posing the question: Can you break the cycle/curse?
-All the bosses were charismatic and helped set the tone for each level.
-The game is a beautiful allegory to depression - intentional or not. "For now, seek strength. The rest will follow..." is literally the cure for IRL depression and is a genius piece of dialogue.
-Game feels fun to play through over and over, unlike 1/3 which somehow lack substance to me.
-I thought Scholar was a fucking rip-off, but it turned out to be amazingly good fun to see all the changes after having played through the original release 8 times. (Still a rip-off, though. New Game + should be what Scholar was in each game. New placements, new NPC's, etc....)
-Nobody will agree with me because they are hung up on stupid shit like "muh Soul Memory kills PvP, muh elevator to Iron Keep, muh graphics downgrade".
>>343003265
>-Soul Memory let me make the character I wanted without worrying about not being able to play with other people.
but that was the opposite of what happened. Soul Memory blocked off people from playing to stop stupid shit like SL1 people in DS1
>>343003265
>-Soul Memory let me make the character I wanted without worrying about not being able to play with other people.
You see, you're not going to gain a lot of sympathy when you defend a dumbshit system.
>>342999654
This is probably the most accurate post in the thread.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the bosses are pathetic, there are still enjoyable aspects to them (e.g the 3rd Abyss Watcher fighting the others), but they are certainly the weakest in the series, at least the mandatory ones are.
The NPC questlines are definitely better than 1 and a bit better than 2, although sometimes it feels like the steps you need to take are obscure for the sake of being obscure.
The removal of Soul Memory is great, but that's about the only good thing about the PvP compared to 2. The netcode is the worst in the series, the builds are severely limited compared to even DS1, and half the covenants don't work as they have stupidly restrictive matchmaking requirements.
The locales are pretty hit and miss. Irithyll was great, and the Untended Graves had fantastic atmosphere, but Carthus was Catacombs 2.0 (almost literally), and then there is the fanservice of Anor Londo.
Speaking of fanservice, it's really hamfisted. Moreso than 2 ever was.
All that being said, if you can enjoy Dark Souls games for it's PvE and co-op, and not solely the PvP as so many people seem to treat as the only way to play the game, then it's a fun game. It will probably be improved upon when DLC is released, but we'll have to wait and see.
Get it on sale.
>>343003409
And then they added the Agape Ring which enable twinking again anyway.
>>343003371
>being this mad
Holy shit
>>343003568
Which didn't come for 3 years after the game came out
>>343003005
>I suck at the game the post
why don't you gitgud you dumb fuck.
Getting hit irl also means you will probably get hit again.
Retaliate properly or learn to dodge.
Every DS games is great, l2adapt and gitgud trash.
>>343003371filtered ;)
>>343003663
>>343003568
>>343003409
>>343003265
Soul memory wasn't even that bad. It only sucked for people who wanted to continue to pvp at low levels. At the usual meta of 120 you had some things maxed out and could hold your own against someone with 99 in all stats because diminishing returns.
>>343003409
It blocked off people in the first 1-2 hours of gameplay, because without any souls gained, it's hard to meet the right percentages. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>343003415
No, it's hard to gain a lot of sympathy when most people on 4chan are retarded power gaming faggots and Tekken rejects who think the games should cater to their autistic ideals of balanced PvP matchmaking instead of keeping the game open and designed for Co-Op & PvE, with PvP only being an extra, like it was originally meant to be.
>>343003718
Nice retort because nothing you said is a counter point
>well if you get hit IRL
this isn't IRL you tripfag shitposter
>>343003556
Also, it seems From is heavily catering towards co-op over PvP, with the changes to the invasion system, so don't expect to get much in the way of PvP experience other than duels and fight clubs.
>>343003265
Ignore these subhumans, of course DS2 is great, it is a proper game with proper challenging gameplay.
DS1, DS2, DS3 are great games, they are different and minor flaws here and there, but they remain great souls games and the absolute best RPG games and games in general that we have in the sea of shit called modern gaming.
>>343003917
Co-Op was restricted by Soul Memory too, my man.
Bloodborne nearly had it right. Could co-op at any level. Just a shame that the invasion system was opt-in outside of 2 levels, 1 of which isn't any fun to fight in.
>>343003916
>Soul memory wasn't even that bad
You literally couldn't play with people doing the same boss over and over again, eventually your SM would get so high that you would never get summoned.
SL didn't coincide with SM at all, because if you got a bunch of souls then lost them, your SL didn't go up and your SM went up regardless so when you're trying to play with people at a meta level, you can't because you're underleveled and your SM is too high to play with people at your normal level.
>>342999654
Okay, listen, let's get this out of the way. You're wrong. The bosses in 3 are really well designed, and probably the best in the series. Pontiff, Dancer, Loric and Soul of Cinder, despite some shallow similarities, are all very distinct and interesting bosses with really great move sets.
But let's put all that aside. How the fuck are you so retarded that you genuinely believe that DS3 has worse bosses than DS2? How? Now obviously we're not counting DLC, because souls DLC always has the best bosses and 3 hasn't gotten its yet, but base DS2 bosses were fucking trash, easy, boring, and forgettable. How the fuck can you defend that shit?
>>343004107
Oh and that there's no soapstones of any kind.
Like, you see a summon sign in Dark Souls, you know somebody is there. Ring the co-op bell in Bloodborne and who knows if anybody is even playing in that section, let alone online and ringing the "summon me for co-op" bell.
>>343004242
>he bosses in 3 are really well designed
I am going to play some DS, fuck all the haters and everyone who filtered me, I will make new trips and names, don't worry, you will recognize me from my posting style, I will continue to post on /v/ and shit on all your cancer interactive movie games like Unfarted 4, Last of Fags, Shitter 3 and promote proper games with proper gameplay like DS1, DS2, DS3.
(virginborne losers get aids, wannabe vampire console fags)
>>343002174
are these both NG?
why no mention of the two phases of Abyss Watchers?
why no mention of the fact that Lady Maria is a DLC boss whilst the Abyss watchers is an early game boss in Dark Souls 3, the first lord of cinder you can fight against?
delet this
>>342999498
W-what? Is that actually a thing?
>>343004420
Anon, one day you're going to learn that being a pedantic ass just makes you look like a retard. Every Souls game has had shitty bosses. I was very clearly talking generally.
>>343003917
It's not really power gaming when Soul Memory forces you to power creep every character to stay relevant in PvP. If you aren't spending your souls to level up or upgrade equipment because you want to stay at a specific power range, then you lose viability against people who want to PvP at higher and higher ranges.
Soul Memory makes you lose control of the pacing of your PvP.
>>343004595
No, it's an edit made to make the game resemble your typical action game.
>>343004637
Generally I am talking about how Dark Soul 3 bosses are boring as shit. Dancer, Loric, Soul of Cinder, Nameless, and Pontiff are just big dudes with swords. They are not "Amazing" they are not "Challenging" they sure aren't "Interesting" There is no build up to these bosses. They are just placed there so you can have a checkpoint in where you're going
>>343004582
See>>343002384
Both enemies on ng+7, one with a nackstab and ine with a bone marro ashed bullet, bothe games are using a high damage attack, except this time that's bloodborne's first boss.
Even taking into acvount the two health bars, you're still doing twice as much of a health bar as bloodborne's with less damage.
>>343004595
you sadden me with your innocence, anon. Get out of here while you can. Don't stoop to our level of existence that only entails bullshit and irony.
>>343004575
Looking to replace barneyfag, huh?
>>343004856
Except big guys with swords have consistently been the most interesting fights in Souls games, while bigger monster bosses have been consistently mediocre. If your definition of interesting is "shitty but different", then just go replay Lost Izalith over an over again.
>>343004939
Maybe it's barneyfag in disguise.
>>343004575
>i'm gonna cover my ears from the truth, everyone with a different opinion is a hater
You sound like a reddit fuck already, lmaobloodborne is miyazaki's magnus dongus and nithing you say will change that
>>343004575
Reported
>>343004904
Yes? And? What does that imply? That two games have varying amounts of health based on how easy it is to play aggressively?
'fuck outta here with that weak ass bait
>>342997339
Filtered ;^)
>>343005181
>Except big guys with swords have consistently been the most interesting fights in Souls games
Only because in 1 and 2 those bosses had something interesting about them
>Darklurker
>Can summon a clone of himself
>Hard as shit
>Can't summon
>Pontiff
>Can summon a clone of himself
>Can be parried
>Easy as shit
>Summon away
Dark souls 3 is a borefest and the real inferior game.
I have easily three times as much hours played in 2 and 1. (PVP on 2 got fun as fuck on Belfry sol/Luna)
good graphics dont make a game better.
and this is the problem with Dark souls 3 fanbase they think the game is better than the rest only because of the graphics and the bloodbourne-y art direction they took.
Dark souls 1 is still the best 1973.
>>342993396
Gameplay is great, lore is great. (though heavily reliant on 1, which has been triggering people) though there's the poise thing, and also the game is way more linear then any souls game before it. All in all I'd say it's better, but I never had anything against 2 to begin with.
What's up with people saying Bloodborne is easier and DS3 is the hardest in the series?
DS3 is absolutely easy compared to many bosses of previous games.
I just got Bloodborne last week and its absolutely fucking me up but I'm loving every second of it.
>>343005384
Except first phase of Pontiff is fun as shit, so clearly its doing something right, and parrying and summoning has always been broken in Souls games, so fuck off if you're even going to bring that up.
Good work picking the only good boss from 2 though, at least you're dedicated to your delusion. He was easier than Pontiff though.
TOH=AoTA>SotFS>>>DaS>BB>>DeS>>>>DaS3>DaS2
>>343004904
you know, the only real way to determine the difficulty of two games on a comparable level would be to compare the game time of at least 200 souls amateurs between the two games and take into consideration the difference between average playtime for a leisure playthrough. Anything else, for example like the hogwash you're up to, can't be considered valid data, surely.
>>343004909
I just figured since I didn't realise Spyro 2 had a minimap either until I had almost finished it
>>343005741
TOH gets something of a pass for about doubling the amount of weapons in the game, but otherwise I never found the expansions to wow me over the base game.
>>343005181
Not the guy you're arguing with, but by that logic Sif was a shitty but different fight, and that fight was certainly not shitty, especially if you've been paying attention to the backstory.
Not to mention Quelaag.
The only game I can think of where your point applies is 2, as most of the non-gimmicky fights are with Big Guy with Sword or Spear.
I'm pretty sure your argument is a lot less generalised than you think it is.
>>343005608
Bloodborne is forgiving as fuck, whereas 3 isn't.
It comes down to play style though, I played DaS3 shieldless with an UGS and it was easily the hardest and most fun I've had in the series. Playing Bloodborne afterwards felt really awful because I could just heal through so many bosses that most of them felt super unsatisfying. I guess I could see it fucking you up if you relied on shield in other Souls games, but if you did, what the fuck are you doing?
>>343000780
You just invalidated any points you might be able to make, since you clearly haven't played Bloodborne. Not only that but you fell for some shitty bait image and don't understand how the game mechanics work
Try again shitter
>>343005698
>Except first phase of Pontiff is fun as shit
>Darklurker easier than Pontiff
>>343004856
>big dudes with swords are not challenging
>There is no build up to these bosses
I disagree.
>>343005896
Quelaag was a good fight, Sif really wasn't, which is unfortunate given his backstory. Beyond that, Ludwig is the only other non-humanoid boss I can remember really liking. Not that I'm claiming humanoid bosses are inherently good, DS2 is proof of that. Its just that most of the best fights are humanoid for whatever reason.
>>343002681
Okay? It's a lot easier to get hits in bloodborne, the combat is faster, and you can stunlock the bosses for a long time. Of course they're going to have more health.
>>343006065
I don't remember Darklurker being particularly hard, and Sulyvahn wrecked my shit.
Probably depends on play style though, which makes this a dumb argument.
>>342997217
>there are people who act like experts on the souls series but haven't played bloodborne or demon's souls
>there are people who tripfag and make posts like these with this many buzzwords
really I just feel sorry for you, you haven't played the best souls game and something must have gone very wrong in your life to lead you to post like this.
>>343006186
Sif had some well telegraphed moves tho, and if they were putting you off, a shield could be used to make his fight way easier. I rather liked his fight.
The community ran itself into the ground and FROM themselves got cocky because they became a wider known company. Also people are just fatigued on the series, mostly because everyone puts hundreds and hundreds of hours into these games.
>>343006319
Dark Souls > Blood Borne > Demon Souls > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 3
>>343006319
it's just bait anon, people like this don't really exist.
right?
>>343002847
You're still talking about Bloodborne even after being blown the fuck out because you thought it had a minimap?
w e w
>TFW want to trade this game in towards something else
>I'm stopping myself in case the DLC is actually good but I haven't bought the season pass
What do?
I've played all the Souls games, and I think Bloodborne is the hardest.
>>343006406
He was just one of those chill underneath him and nothing will happen to you fights, which doesn't make for a good time.
>>342998770
You're trying too hard.
>>343006461
In terms of what?
In terms of personal enjoyment:
Dark Souls = Dark Souls 2 = Bloodborne = Dark Souls 3 => Demon Souls
>>343006461
DS > DaS3 = BB > Demon's Souls >>>>>DS2
Facts.
>>343006186
While I agree that there are great humanoid boss fights, Namelss King and Artorias come to mind, remember also the fact that there are many more humanoid bosses than non-humanoid, which means that statistically there are gonna be better humanoid than non.
That being said, I think for the pools of bosses that are comparable, non-humanoid have better overall quality.
Kalameet and Manus also come to mind as good examples for non-humanoid.
The quality has certainly shifted to humanoids over the course of the series, though, I'll concede that.
>>343006572
>should I trade in a game for $20?
How fucking poor are you.
>>343006583
I feel the same way, bloodborne is the only one that is not brain dead easy for me on repeat playthroughs. The bosses and levels both feel a lot more unforgiving.
>>343006743
BB>DaS>DaS 3=DeS>>>>DS2
>>343005546
I think the lore goes too deep into obscurity. In DaS1 there was a complete package, same as Bloodborne, but the difficulties of writing a sequel just contradict a lot of stuff shown in DaS1 or fail to expand on it in a meaningful way. We already saw that the nature of the flame was Cyclical in DaS2. Why did we need to rehash it again in 3? From a thematic perspective I see the arguement, but it really felt like they failed to make it engaging. The only time I felt like it t really worked was the end of the Aldia segment and the baller final fight against Soul of Cinder.
But everywhere in between felt unnecessary and tiresome, to referential to stand on it's own. Abysswalkers, despite being a sorts cool fight, doesn't standup to the lore of the Knights mainly because it relies entirely on Artorias to make sense of their importance. There's nothing to be gained, just a cool reference to understand.
I think DaS3 collapsed under the weight of it's own ambition to be both a good finale and a game within itself. With the style of storytelling that they do in the Souls games, there's just not enough space to convey the information that's necessary.
The NPC game was sorta on point, though.
>>343006572
Wait? Trade credit is shit no matter when you trade it in.
>>343006686
in terms of what is a good game
Dark Souls (Polished Demon Souls)
Blood Borner (A new and polished version of Demon Souls)
Demon Souls (A new style of game)
Dark Souls 2 (A new version of Dark Souls. Very unpolished)
Dark Souls 3 (Polished Dark Souls. Nothing new)
>>342988332
We still get 10 bloodborne threads per day
>>343005904
I never relied on a shield on Souls games.
I always UGS + rolled my way through. The iFrames and distance of rolls in DaS was too forgiving.
There's so much space to breathe in DaS boss fights whereas I don't feel I'm getting that at all in BB. DaS bosses are so slow that I can manage a couple swipes in with a UGS but in BB, in order to deal damage, I always resort to fast weapons.
My playstyle was always methodical, never get hit even once and never tank hits. DaS was easy because of it but BB doesn't treat me the same way.
BB has been a far more funner experience than any DaS for me.
>>343006837
>The bosses and levels both feel a lot more unforgiving.
Fucking how? BB is easily the most forgiving Souls game. You can get health back if you fuck up, everything staggers at the slightest breeze, including bosses, and healing is super fast and plentiful.
>>343006956
You mean in terms of polishment, then? that seems to be what you're going for. Comparing games and arbitrarily deciding which is "the best" is dumb, especially considering each of the games in the series excelled in aspects the others did not.
>>343007185
Dark Souls 3 excelled at nothing so that means its the worst in your words
>>343007012
If your style is never get hit, then sure, BB would be harder, because its structured around getting hit and it not really mattering. Enemies spam weak attacks that you can just rally out of anyway.
You're wrong about rolling though, BB is far more forgiving with dashing. Higher proportion of i frames and easily chainable means you'll be in way better shape than in DS.
>>343006862
I agree that expansion of the lore and nature of the world was poorer in 3 than 1 and 2, but I wouldn't say it was rehashed. After the DLC of 2, you see than the cycle of fire can possibly find a middle ground between ages of fire and dark, but it's not really explained as to what that entails.
In 3, there are several endings, not just fire or dark, which kind of lends itself to what actually happens with breaking the cycle, referring specifically to the Betrayal ending.
oh god, I haven't even read this thread but I can tell it's going to be filled with DS2 apologists and contrarians pretending 3 is the worst in the series.
>>342988717
nameless king is laughably easy as a sorcerer build
>>343000043
spotted the shill. Go back to your reddit hugbox.
>>343003071
Honest question,Do you think talking like that is funny or clever or something?
>>343007035
I disagree, the large beast bosses only really rarely stagger for a visceral, bosses like gherman or maria can break out of your stagger, and everything is so fast and aggressive that it makes up for it.
>>343007360
Maybe you should read the thread instead of making a completely uninformed and useless post, instead.
>>343007496
I'll put it this way. There were many bosses I beat easily in Bloodborne without really knowing their attacks. That wasn't true of any other Souls games save 2.
Also beasts staggered quite a bit, not at every hit but any good chain would do it, and since their attacks didn't really track it was easy to just get behind them and wail on them.
>>343007035
>you can get health back if you fuck up
Peopel really like spewing this like the regain opportunity doesn't last less than 5 seconds and you rarely get more than half the damage back. If the enemy starts a combo right after you get hit you're barely gonna get any health back. It's just there to minimize more damage if you can think on your feet and not get greedy. It's a good system.
>>343005608
REally? i played all of them and found BB to be the easiest
>>343005205
>announcing report
:^)
>>343007297
BB dashing is different within the context of enemy design. BB boss attacks are generally much faster and are usually sequenced with larger AoE spread.
DaS bosses are, most of the time, much slower than BB bosses. The timing for iFrame rolls on their attacks is far less strict.
>>342987662
>enjoyed ds
>buy ds3
>play 1 hour
>never play agian
>>343007840
Its still more forgiving than just not being able to get health back, and coupled with vials being absurdly fast and plentiful means you can easily heal through bosses.
>>343007272
What do you mean "Dark Souls 3 excelled at nothing"? It had some interesting covenants, sword arts that added interesting variety to the combat, both PvE and PvP wise, fantastic graphics and we haven't even seen the two coming DLCs yet. I don't see a need to dumb each game down to extremes like "shit" or "the best". Every entry in the series is great, they just have varying strong points and weak points; Dark Souls 1 with it's terribly rushed areas past Anor Londo, Dark Souls 2: SotFS with it's great PvP and terribly less intricate world design, Demon's and Bloodborne with their brilliant originality and designs, etc. The list goes on, and at the end of the day, what point is there in discussion which game is the best and which is the worst when all the games are great?
Except for the console versions' and Bloodborne's shitty framerates, jesus fuck that shit is atrocious. The only game that got the shit right was, suprisingly so, Dark Souls 2: SotFS.
>>343007979
BB bosses also have much shorter range so you can usually just dash back and be fine. The dash is a lot less about using i frames to avoid attacks and more about quickly moving away from an attack, which makes it a lot less timing based than rolling.
>>342987662
Why the fuck does everyone have a dark sword? I just got the game recently due to it being a gift and am currently on NG+. I seem to get rekt by everyone in PvP. How do I git gud?
Currently using Astora GS or Gotthard TS
>>343007979
I don't remember many AOEs in Bloodborne. The exceptions are Orphan's and the Shadows of Yharnam's "fuck you" attacks and Laurence.
Whereas half the bosses in Dark Souls have "get the fuck away from me" AOEs that exist to waste your time.
I wouldn't call difficulty a good proponent for quality, though.
>>343008192
Your weapons of choice are infinitely better than the Dark Sword, friend. You merely need to git gud. A word of advice would be to learn how hyper-poise works with the Astora GS or learn how to parry consistently.
>>343008030
Except damage is accommodated to balance this. Bosses usually do 60% of your health on some of their attacks, and, unlike dark souls, blood vials scale with your health, so you'll always be healing 40% of your health instead of 80% like in Dark souls games when you fully upgrade your estus. Unless you take advantage of the rally system you're gonna be using you blood vials unefficiently and healing twice each time you get hit.
Most bosses in dark souls games rarerly do more than 30% of your health and one estus sip heals 80% of your hp bar.
>>343008236
Rom, Ebreitas, and Parl. There are certainly not less AOEs in bloodborne than previous games.
Also AOE's don't just waste your time, they force you to move away and thus put you back in range of other attacks.
>>343008115
I agree with you on everything except the graphics. Bloodborne at least didn't have AWFUL texture popins like DS3 did.
>>343007360
I think most people realize that DaS2 tried to do something interesting with the story and, on the whole, did succeed in opening a lot of questions and adding some depth to the overall story told by the Dark Souls universe.
Moreover, most people will have the DLC of the game as the freshest memory of DaS2, and the DLC was legitimately great.
So. The worst part of DaS2, the level design and gameplay of the Vanilla release, is going to fade further into obscurity while people discuss the more interesting and generative 'lore' questions.
So, you slowly turn a bad reception into a good one as people only remember the good parts of DaS2, while DaS3 p, flaws included, is still fresh in everyone's mind.
Seeing as DaS3 did, probably, have an overall worse overarching plot line, the best part of DaS2 is going to be compared and remembered against it.
There's your explanation.
>>343008520
Their fuckoff AOEs' recovery times just allow you to sprint right up back to them.
>>343008115
Dark Souls 3 excelled at nothing
-Dark Souls 2 and 1 had much better covenants that actually work
-Sword arts are just dumb downed versions of Blood Bornes two weapon styles for each weapon
-Dark Souls 3 had the worse PvE and PvP
-Graphic wise it looks like shit for a 2016 Triple A title
Every entry in the series is not great. Dark Souls 2 looked like shit and had a lot of things wrong with it. The fact that Dark Soul 3 improved the graphics, made the movement smoother , and polished somethings does not make it great. The game itself is just proof on how much creativity and care they have for the series. The only thing in Dark Souls 3 that had the most time spent on it are the npc's.
>>343007425
>have horrible time on my heavy str guy fighting NK
>Go through as fully loaded mage
>Dragon dies in three soul spears
>NK doesn't even get to attack me before I stunned him for a riposte
>Fight lasted 45 seconds including dragon
>>343008462
Vials are also almost instant while flasks take time, and I already mentioned there's a shit ton of vials. Regardless of the faster combat, its a lot easier to heal in Bloodborne than in Dark Souls.
>>343008520
>Also AOE's don't just waste your time, they force you to move away and thus put you back in range of other attacks.
Unless you get good at dashing through them. One of the funnest experiences with BB I had was learning to dash into Loran Darkbeast's aoe and enjoying all the time for hit I got by doing so. It's a risk vs reward thing. Do you wanna risk taking a lot of damage and getting knock back for the chance of a big opening for lots of damage?
>>343006829
>>343006915
One of the stores I go to normally has a trade deal of trade 2 games, get one for no charge.
I've also got MGSV which I am also done with, should've mentioned that in the first place.
>>342987662
I don't think ds3 is good. But I liked 1 + 2 so I guess my opinion is wrong or something. I would play 1 more than 2 if I could just rebind jumping to the stick button like the later games. DaS1 is responsible for like 3 of my controllers busting; the B button always gives out.
>>343008707
>Sword arts are just dumb downed versions of Blood Bornes two weapon styles for each weapon
You say that, but realistically trick weapons were just two weapons in one, and having two weapons equipped at a time has been a thing for as long as the series existed. Really the only thing worth commenting on here is the addition of the transitional attacks, and I'd say weapon arts are a lot more useful and interesting.
>>343008567
>I think most people realize that DaS2 tried to do something interesting with the story and, on the whole, did succeed in opening a lot of questions and adding some depth to the overall story told by the Dark Souls universe.
No it fucking didn't.
A true sequel to a game takes the previous game and expands upon it. DS2 didn't expand upon anything.
What interesting thing did it do with the story? It's literally the same fucking story as DS1.
A douchebag king guy is scared of the age of dark so he tries to delay it, something about undead, something about lordsouls, tie in a few refrences here and there, and that's DS2's story in a nutshell.
>>343001446
So you're saying DS3 is literally for newfags?
>>343008554
>Play on PS4
>Walk into Vordts room
>Cutscene shows him landing across the room
>Back to gameplay, Vordt isn't there
>Walk forward slightly and he spawns out of thin air
And I like this game
>>342987662
Not as good as 1
>>343008926
Again, unless that deal is changing anytime before DLC is released, there is no reason to not wait and see what it's like before deciding to trade in.
>>343008780
Ecept that, again, you need to use TWO vials to heal yourself as much as you do with ONE estus in any dark souls game, while the enemies do TWICE as much damage. It balances itself out and the rally system is just there to further benefit from learning boss patterns. You also heal instantly in both dark souls 1 and 3, while in dark souls 2 you get to carry 99 healing stones for a low price.
>>343008317
It's frustrating for me. I can beat most bosses now without taking damage or dying to them due to my offline souls experience (played DS1 and 2 on 360 without online).
I guess it's an issue with my build? Since I play the singleplayer mode mostly, my build is mostly all in dex/str. I have no HP and defence and get 1 shot by sorceries and two shotted by giant weapons.
>>343008995
Weapon arts are either Useless or Makes the weapon useful. They don't add much. In fact you're the first person I ever saw defend weapon arts and thats fucking pathetic
>>343009017
>I didn't like it so you're retarded
>>343009017
>A true sequel to a game takes the previous game and expands upon it.
No it doesn't lol. A sequel doesn't need to have anything to do with prior content. There are so many examples of this that you must be either retarded or your experience is limited to a console.
>>343009221
I'm not trying to tell you that your experience or personal feelings with DS2 are invalid. But don't fucking tell me the story is "interesting". Because they literally copy and pasted the story of DS1 for the sequel.
>>343009335
Name literally one game besides RE4 where the sequel is nothing like its predecessor and it's not only good but excels at it. Go on, I'll wait.
Also
>lol
you sound like the consolefag here, pleb.
>>343009152
A. Enemies don't do twice as much damage, generally its about the same amount. I got one shot a lot more in 3 than in BB.
B. Avoiding boss damage is easy when not attacking in BB, so number of vials is irrelevant, since its easy to use as many as you want.
C. You heal instantly with very specific items that are rare. Almost all healing comes from estus. This is a dumb argument and you should feel bad for making it. DS2 is also a poorly designed game and will be ignored.
>>343009017
You clearly didn't pay attention to the story in 2 if that's what you boil it down to.
1 was about either carrying on Gwyn's actions and extending the Age of Fire or letting it die and beginning the Age of Dark, learning that it's a cycle.
2, with the DLC, was about gaining the strength to take Vendrick's mantle and then find a 3rd path aside from fire and dark.
You might as well be a troll post at this point, if you aren't gonna put thought into what you're arguing.
>>343009204
You really need to pay more attention, plenty of people like them, even in this thread. They're a mixed bag, but there are some fantastic ones that are a lot of fun and add value to the weapon, especially in PvP.
>>343008995
>running r2's
>backstep r2's
>transformed L2's
>transforming attacks
>untransforming attacks
>transform/untrasform + r1for special attack on some weapons
>different attacks for dashing backwards + r1
>different attack for dashing sideway's r1
Dark Souls 3 lacks all of this. For goodness sake the running r2's are jumping attacks and the backstep r1's are just the same as running r1's
>>342987662
I think we've reached the point of franchise fatigue
I'd like a bloodborne 2, but that would be it for me with the series. I'm full.
>>343009346
>Because they literally copy and pasted the story of DS1 for the sequel.
>>343009638
There is no depth to pvp. No weapon arts are needed to excel at pvp
>>343008554
I don't agree with you on these awful texture popins, I've played a good 200-ish hours of DaS3 so far and I haven't noticed it yet. I would, however, dare say that while Dark Souls 3 has some performance issues, it's nowhere near as bad as Bloodborne or Dark Souls 1 blighttown without DSfix
>>343008707
>Dark Souls 3 excelled at nothing
>-Dark Souls 2 and 1 had much better covenants that actually work
>-Sword arts are just dumb downed versions of Blood Bornes two weapon styles for each weapon
>-Dark Souls 3 had the worse PvE and PvP
>-Graphic wise it looks like shit for a 2016 Triple A title
If you genuinely believe this to be true, then I cannot disagree with you more. Dark Souls 1 covenants had shit like the Chaos Servant covenant or the Way of White. Dark Souls 2 had a police covenant that flat out demanded minutes of spamming the blue eyed orb to "maybe" work. Sword Arts added some genuinely interesting gimmicks to already existing weaponry, essentially adding depth to the combat. You can't call sword arts "dumb downed versions of Blood Bornes two weapon styles for each weapon" because while Bloodborne had a very limited amount of weapons with many movesets, Dark Souls 3 offers a hell of a lot more weapons with a bit more limited moveset, which is some welcome variety between the two games. How you can say "Dark Souls 3 had the worse PvE and PvP" when Bloodborne's PvP was a spam fest, Dark Souls 1's PvP was a chain-backstab nightmare and Demon's Souls' PvP was insanely unbalanced and tedious (99 grass out the ass), I cannot fathom. Dark Souls 3's PvE was objectively great, loads of movesets and varied bosses with various stage hazards that makes invasions and co-op play even more interesting is in no way terrible. If any game deserves the title of "worst PvE", it'd be Dark Souls 2 by miles (remember the enemy tracking?).
>-Graphic wise it looks like shit for a 2016 Triple A title
Irithyll of the Boreal valley, first bonfire. Take a look.
>>343002847
Dude stop, you're embarassing yourself.
>>343009537
A. yes they do
B. Except you only get twenty and you're gonna be wasting two per hit since you're too far away to take advantage of rally
C. >implying estus in 1 and 3 doesn not instantly heal you
Beaten it twice, waiting for dlc.
>>343009645
Anon, you're going to have to come to terms with something. At some point, attacks tend to blur together, and Bloodborne had a big issue with this. Yeah, there were a million attacks per weapon, but you didn't use most of them, or when you did it was accidental. If your honest claim is that Bloodborne's weapons are better because each one has more slightly different animations, then we're done here.
>>343009838
>Make a pretty skybox for one short part of the game
Nice try. Your wall of text is full of opinionated autism. Glad to see some retards can get joy out of Dark Souls 3
>>343008554
>Bloodborne at least didn't have AWFUL texture popins like DS3 did.
ah shit I probably didn't experience that because I played it on the PC. How's the PS4 version? I hear the performance drops quite a bit in some places.
>>343010014
>If your honest claim is that Bloodborne's weapons are better because you have more 4 times as much variety and a bigger moveset than Dark Souls weapons then we're done here
Yeah I guess we are, i you can't see how having more varied movesets for different situations then why are you even arguing about tricked weapons just being two weapons in one.
>>343010026
>Only addressed a single point, didn't even put in the effort to disprove of it.
I dunno who's the retard here anon, but one thing's for sure, you're one lazy faggot.
The first fucking line of that wall of text is objective truth you prancing lala homo man.
>>342987662
>8 Slabs per playthrough
>limited respecs per playthrough
>shit matchmaking
>most covenants and rewards are shit
>Wolf Ring
>having to sit through first phase of nameless king every time
Bad game design in general
I wish there was a type of gauntlet where you can redo an ingame area without being able to return to bonfire to heal or whatever in order to get a nifty reward at the end, giving a constant stream of people to invade at all areas and maybe make farming covenant items less of a pain. Not quite what DS2 did for clarification.
>>343009838
>(remember the enemy tracking?)
Nigger, if you want to talk about god awful tracking, then maybe you should pay more attention. They've been there since the very beginning. Even the fucking skeletons in 4-1 track you perfectly on their charge attack. BB and DS3 are easily the worst because the enemies hit hard and fast enough to not even need tracking, but still have them out the ass. Just look at Laurence or the anchor Fishmen and try to defend their tracking.
>>343009971
>yes they do
Nope, already explain why that's not true. To elaborate, a lot of BB bosses have combos where the first few hits do shit damage and the later ones do heavy damage, meaning if you mistime your dodge you get hit for shit and get away anyway. For an example, compare oceiros to blood starved beast.
>you're gonna be wasting two per hit
Nope, I usually used one a hit, never ran out of blood vials once in the entire game
>implying estus in 1 and 3 doesn not instantly heal you
Nope, there's a lengthy animation beforehand, especially in 1.
>>343009017
It does expand upon the plot in DaS1. It introduces the idea that the Lords are more than just Gwyn's henchmen, and that even Gwyn himself got played by whatever fundamental forces are at work in the Dark Souls universe. The constant harping on the effects of Light and Dark set up the Nietszchean divide between Apolline & Dionysian in order to give the player a real idea of the consequences involved in trying to link the fire or live in an age of darkness.
We get to see the evolution of Lordran through a generation, giving depth to the forces at work behind the Lord Souls. You learn about what happened to the Abyss, with the daughters.
Finally, we get notion of a King figure involved with all of these happenings, and learn Vendrick's story. Granted, this requires buying the 3 DLC, which individually add quite a bit to the game but shouldn't reflect the Vanilla release.
I'm not sure how you could make the case that 2 wasn't a proper sequel. It expanded and told it's own story, but with less nuance because it was told with the specter of DaS1 needing to be integrated.
>>343010307
Mate, every single enemy in Dark Souls 2 had awful tracking, it looked downright ridiculous when the heavy armored turtles spun around while standing still and preparing a hammer slam. I'm not saying that tracking did not exist in the other games, I'm just saying it was the worst in Dark Souls 2.
>>343010240
As I already stated, the idea of having two weapon in one has been in the game since Demon's Souls, and I found the transitional animations to be very similar to other attacks and thus not particularly noteworthy.
>>343009465
Literally every Elder Scrolls game has been set in different eras, with stories that are all different. Every GTA has been in a different setting. The only thing that stays constant are the gods. System Shock 2 is barely the same game until Shodan shows up, and she isn't even a primary antagonist. You could even argue that Half Life 1 and 2 were way different from each other, despite using some similar characters. One is set during a current-era scifi experiment, and the other is full-on futuristic police state.
There is numerous amounts of lore saying that DS2 behaves the same way, with Drangleic being in a completely different time period from the original game. DS3 even behaves in the same fashion, although it goes out of it's way to make references to DS1.
You have no idea how storytelling works, whatsoever.
>>343010637
How about instead of giving cherrypicked examples of games that do what you want them to, you explain why what the game you're talking about was worse off for what it did.
>>343010493
It looks worse on those enemies because the game as a whole is slower(and thus those flaws are easier to observe), but it's much more unfair in DS3 and BB.
>>343010794
You asked for examples you braindead retard. I gave them to you, you have lost the right to go "huruhurhurrr those don't count cuz it goes against mah shitposting"
>>343011237
I'm not him, I'm just saying this way of arguing is dumb. Don't worry, he's also dumb.
>>343010925
I don't know what you mean when you call tracking "unfair". Tracking is terrible because it looks silly and the lack of enemy movesets to provide challenge without using ridiculous tracking indicates laziness on the developers part, but in a game with combat centered around the abuse of I-frames or blocking, tracking isn't "unfair" as much as it is disappointing or just flat out silly, seeing as you can block or roll based on the enemy telegraph pre-attack. Sure, the first hit may seem cheap, but then you've learned from that mistake and can easily avoid the next one, hence why it's more about the sillyness of it rather than the "unfairness".
>>343009346
The actual story of the game is about the reason that the story is doing that thing.
How did you not grasp that? They literally shout the word cycle at you at least half a dozen times.
>>343011315
He still asked for examples and I gave them to him. I'm not sure how that's cherrypicked when he clearly asked me to provide examples of that system working. I could even provide examples in literature, and to a far lesser degree movies. Loose sequels have been a thing since the caveman storytelling.
DaS2 is set it a completely different era, if not in a different land. That said, they are still in the same universe and a lot of items, weapons, stories and other such tidbits are present supporting the idea that the Drangleic of now is related to the Lordran of then.
>>343011350
Tracking is unfair because it's misleading towards the player. It doesn't deserve to be in a series that's usually all about visual cues because the vast majority of cases don't give enough visual feedback to suggest that an attack would have tracking.
>Sure, the first hit may seem cheap, but then you've learned from that mistake and can easily avoid the next one, hence why it's more about the sillyness of it rather than the "unfairness".
Just like jump scares and traps with no tells. Obviously you're not going to fall for the same trap twice, but that doesn't make it suddenly fine because it's still sloppy design from lazy and/or incompetent developers.
>>343010925
>>343011350
Might be because we are still playing the game, and the enemies would be painfully simple to fight. Tracking is an easy fix in this department, so I would try blaming the game designers rather than the series as a whole.
>>343012369
>>343012619
An important issue with tracking in Dark Souls 2 though is the fact that some enemies have insane tracking even when they didn't need it, such as the heavy armoured turtle knights. They have a move in-which they jump on their back almost instantly to fight off cheeky players who strafe around to their back. The problem is, that for some reason the devs gave the turtle enemies insane tracking in an attempt to keep players from getting to the turtle's back. It's just weird in Dark Souls 2, perhaps due to the time constraints during development.
>>342990070
>game about poise
I thought it was an ARPG that's about fighting difficult enemies, timing, and learning attack patterns
God thanks that you told me I was wrong and it's actually all about standing around and jerking off to the character not moving while taking damage
>>343013036
>t. first game was bloodbore
poise is a considerable mechanic in all of those things. to remove it completely, removes a good portion of viable builds.
>>343013706
Poise itself made a good portion of builds unviable. Thank fucking god it's gone and hyper-poise is in.
