You don't need two Mario RPG series running at the same time /v/.
Ok, no RPG. But why not good characters, plot and world?
Are all those things RPG exclusive?
>>342976142
Why do we even need two nintendo RPGs? Hell, why not just have one series be the designated RPG for all games for efficiency sake?
>>342976412
Aren't Toads not good enough?
They all have unique personalities
Mario games don't need that big of a story.
Prism Island is both fresh and familiar enough for this game
>>342976142
Exactly, cancel M&L.
>>342976412
Color Splash looks to have all of those. No retarded "I want to implode the Universe" plot this time.
>>342977162
No. Instead we've got a stock 'Bowser wants to take over the world' story line.
>>342977162
Dementio and Count Bleck were great characters though.
>>342977162
>not liking paper Emperor Joker
plebeian detected
But why? Only because both have Mario in the title?
>>342976142
Makes me remember that interview where Miyamoto said that he doesn't like classic Metroid because "they already have NSMB as a 2D platformer".
How did these people manage to stay in business for 30 years?
>>342976142
You don't need to shitpost on /v/ either OP. That doesn't stop you.
You sure don't!
>>342976142
You know what? Fine. I actually liked Super Paper Mario-- let's say this doesn't have to be an RPG anymore.
Where are the different Mario races? The Partners? Being able to see the Mario world from a different angle than the NSMBfied main platformers where nothing notable ever happens ? A lot of people want an RPG, but I'm not one of them. I want a vivid world with characters and a story that doesn't feel like it was formed in a meeting table of hyper-conservative Japanese CEOs who see serious drama--even in a spin off-- as a road to franchise oblivion.
>>342978329
What different Mario races? Look at those things in TTYD or SPM. Have any of those things appeared in a game before or since? Those SPM designs in particular looked awful and unlike anything you would see in a Mario game.
SS returned to basics and used the classic characters in interesting, unique ways.
>>342978520
Stop.
Sticker Star was terrible. Just stop.
>>342978181
Fuck off Cody
>>342978520
Not him, but while TTYD introduced many races, it used old ones too. There were lakitus, koopas, goombas, bob-ombs, boos, even toads, and many of them were unique besides the normal NPCs. Jolene for example was really different from a regular toad personality wise.
All of that while still being part of the mario universe. You don't need new races, you can just use the existing ones but make new characters with them. At least adding hats/accessories to the toads and changing their colors would be enough to make them different.
>>342978520
Actually most of the enemies other than the x-nauts and the spm geometric shapes are more-or-less based off existing Mario enemies. also what were the interesting ways existing ones were used? i can't remember a single character other than wiggler, the annoying sticker crown bitch, and the mariachi shyguys.
You don't need more Mario platformers, Nintendo.
>>342978776
How so?
Over the past few weeks, I've demonstrated just how poorly thought out the complaints towards the game are.
Your 'arguments' essentially amount to "It's not TTYD, so it sucks!"
SS was a welcome return to form, and I'm rather pleased at the way Color Splash is developing. The 'Five fun guys' scam really opened my eyes to how much more intuitive this game's gimmick will be.
That's some retarded reasoning right there, what if you're a fan of both rpg series?
>>342978520
Oh please. The only two possible reads I can get for Nintendo using only toads is as part of an overall cost saving measure in game production, or they're litterally THAT terrified of bloat and excesses that they want to make cuts down to the bone to ensure the franchise never runs away too far from the safe, predictable spot it's in now.
Otherwise they're being lazy, apathetic, or completely detached from the realities of their fanbase.
>>342978879
I disagree, personally. Having toads have an ordinary design actually leads to really interesting gameplay decisions. For example, if the toad running the Five Fun Guys scam in Color Splash looked like the disguised Koopa Bros in the original... the trick wouldn't work nearly as well.
>>342979278
Wow you are a masterA master baiter
>>342979278
Yeah, but those were said to be quintuplets, so you could have gotten away with that trick in TTYD too. That's not new.
>>342979410
He's a fanboy from Miiverse Anon
>>342979425
My point is that despite the Toads having basic designs, they continue to have unique and interesting personalities.
>>342978993
And every thread, people show that you are wrong, yet you seem to selectively ignore said replies since you can't present arguments against them.
>>342978181
>>342978520
>>342978993
>>342979278
Remember to report this certified underage faggot.
>>342976465
Well they sure as hell don't need two tactics games. Where is my Advanced Wars 5?
>>342979613
That doesn't make sense in the context of the example you used.
>>342979636
Just wait until that one Anon finishes up his infograph on this faggot
I'm surprised he still showed up
In the mean time just ignore his posts
>>342979613
interesting my fucking ass those mushroom headed dicks can fuck right off
You know what was interesting? A scummy town of mismatched mario enemies. a peaceful village of goombas, a bowser that actually fucking talked, a story beyond "oh mario peach got fuckin kidnapped by bowser again who'da fuckin guessed".
>>342978920
>also what were the interesting ways existing ones were used?
Not him but I think the way they used the Cooligans(from NSMB) as obstacles was pretty clever. Same with the Snifits and the Quizz Minigame in World 3.
Better than just using a character that stands around and just says a few lines just with a unique sprite.
>>342979613
But it doesn't make them memorable or have the same impact on the player. For the player it is just "oh, another toad, whatever", when they could have interesting designs, like adding some fancy hats, different clothes, etc.
The game is just bland, using the excuse that "they have different personalities" is stupid because in the end the players don't care if all their personalities are also as bland as their designs. Talking to a toad is the same as talking to any toads while in PM64 for example there was a family of toads and while they were no different than normal toads besides the color, they would talk about their personal experiences and change dialogues every chapter and not only "OH MARIO BE CAREFUL" or "HAHA WE ARE MADE OF PAPER" all the time.
>>342978993
>over the past few weeks
So you're one faggot damage controlling fkr a corporation like its your friend because people are rightfully complaining about changes they never wanted nor asked for? You're a true autistic faggot.
It doesnt matter what you say you corporation cum guzzling fag, paper mario isn't supposed to be the garbage we have now.
>>342979986
But your going to have characters that stand around and say a few things anyway. The fact that you CAN make them different and provide an atmosphere with their design rather than copy pasting the same one means there aren't a lot of reasons not to.
>>342979870
Bowser in TTYD was next to worthless. He was only good in the original game, when he was the villain.
I saw nothing wrong with keeping Bowser from speaking in SS. A strange decision, but I hardly noticed it.
>>342979783
An infographic with incorrect information..
For the record, I didn't delete any of my accounts. I merely got banned from Miiverse for two weeks for making a sex joke on the #FE community. I'll be back relatively soon, offering my commentaries on the ''''controversies'''' surrounding the game.
>>342980121
Nigga just ignore him he got exposed days ago
>>342978993
SS lacked any semblance of character. It perfected the art style but lost literally everything else that was good about the games. Battles were easy as fuck and boring. the level-by-level design replaced exploration and made the gameplay boring af, characters were not interesting and were far more cliched (shitty shitty writing) than any other PM game to date.
I could have tolerated them removing the RPG elements if the story and gameplay held up on their own (like SPM did), but SS just sucked from start to finish. I'm hoping Color Splash at least brings back the story an character charm of the first two games.
>>342980219
You deleted your instagram and renamed your twitter you twat
So if there ever actually is a TTYD sequel, what do you want in it?
>>342980059
> For the player it is just "oh, another toad, whatever", when they could have interesting designs, like adding some fancy hats, different clothes, etc.
That's pretty shallow. Also so far in 40 minutes of gameplay shown at E3 there was not a single "We're made of paper" joke so why get hung up on something that hasn't even happened?
>>342980219
how can you say he was good and then say you pay so little attention to him you didn't notice he didn't talk.
do you suck cock for all shit games or is this one just special?
>>342980319
less stupid fetchquests
less stupid backtracking
get rid of the stupid audience system
even more innuendos
>>342980319
Interesting partners, interesting NPCs, interesting setting, good combat with exp and BP.
>>342980278
>SS just sucked from start to finish
I do agree that it wasn't that great of a game, especially compared to 64/TTYD, but it did have its moments. The Enigmansion was kind of fun and the Snifit gameshow had a certain charm to it.
>>342980475
TTYD's audience system was great. If anything they should do something to expand on it.
>>342980495
Enigmansion, Wiggler and the snifts were the only good things in that stupid mess.
>>342980319
I'd like at least one familiar character ending up being a partner-- maybe as the last one you get. Someone who players have never had the chance to control in an RPG setting before (not Peach, Luigi, or Bowser) after they've had a big role in the story up to the point that you recruit them.
>>342980219
How old are you?
>>342980590
Make the audience system a bit like the law system in FFT Advance
>>342980590
I hated the audience system, all it pretty much did for me was annoy the shit out of me and constantly fucked me over besides the few times Luigi tossed me a Ultra Shroom.
imo: I liked PM64 better than TTYD because of this.
>>342980278
If Bowser's going to be in it again as a sympathetic character, I wouldn't mind if he had an arc that made you feel sorry for him. Maybe his son is kiddnapped by the real bad guy and forced to attack him because of an implant or mind control or something. That'd be cool, I think.
>>342980319
A return to form in structure and game design. I'm plenty happy with the soundtrack and the visuals, but I'd love to return to an RPG akin to either of the first two games. I wouldn't mind if Bowser was the villain, since Nintendo managed to give him a personality in the first one even as the big bad, but I just want the personality of the old games back.
>>342980319
Same structure as the old games (capture the seven power mcguffins to get the power to defeat the big bad) and an action-command battle system (FP, SP, etc), and good story and characters to tie it all together.
Story-wise, space Super Mario-type worlds would work well and could give some much needed environment variety to the franchise without losing too much of the PM form (SPM took place in too weird of a world, even though it was still fun)
>>342980225
>he got exposed days ago
what happened
I always thought the character design in TTYD and SPM looked kind of dumb and Deviantart-tier.Homogenizing everything isn't any better though.
>>342980319
How about maybe the ability to use two partners? That way I feel more like I'm working with a team of characters I befriended than just feeling like I have one.
>>342980218
>The fact that you CAN make them different and provide an atmosphere with their design rather than copy pasting the same one means there aren't a lot of reasons not to.
If they really wanted to they could have probably very easily copy/pasted any enemy in Sticker Star and made into an NPC. They simply choose to have a cast of Toads.
>>342980865
Someone tracked down his Miiverse after he posted one of its posts once on a Metroid thread
It all went downhill from there
>>342780237
>>342883731
>>342980857
>space Super Mario-type worlds
*Spacey Mario Galaxy-type worlds
>>342981045
They've been doing that over and over, though. It's not a matter of it 'simply' being the case, because lately all we seem to be getting are toads.
>>342980319
t b h: I hated partners. They always bugged the crap out of me because of their DeviantART esque designs and the fact they always had at least 2 useless moves on them, half the time they feel more like filler.
I wouldn't mind another Solo-Mario quest, just give Mario curses he gains throughout the game like in TTYD and have those moves be usable in battle, maybe if Mario gains much more diversity in battles too then it would be perfectly fine.
>>342980617
Wario would fit the role perfectly.
>Acts as your rival throughout most of the game, gets stronger every time you fight him
>Is after the same treasures Mario is
>Joins you as your partner in the final leg of the game
>Basic shoulder-bash attack, secondary attack is groundpound which stuns all enemies for a turn and flips shelled ones on their backs
>Third attack is his sprinting headbutt move from Warioland 4, attacks all ground enemies and does piercing damage to all spiky/shelled enemies
>Fourth attack he eats a hot pepper and becomes Fire Wario, runs all around and through the air, damaging all enemies and giving them a Burn condition for the next few turns
>>342978181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYc_mcMEAzU
>>342981549
>Harman Smith
Holy shit it is Cody
>>342981549
>Harman Smith
>>342981672
That was his twitter name before changing it
>>342981549
>practically drowning in his own saliva
>has a cat
Not surprising.
>>342981429
>DeviantART esque designs
Maybe in TTYD, but there's no one in PM64 who is further removed from the base NPC aside from an article of clothing or a different color from the rest. I would be happy if they opted to design partners after the first game, since there's a lot to be appreciated from the simple designs.
I also don't agree on the filler moveset bit. I know that some moves are more situational than others, but on the whole each partner avoids redundancy in their moveset.
>>342981942
>This is the guy who has been bothering these threads for the past few weeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSxSLyz7Cg0
>>342981549
Jesus. 'Pretendo' is a thousand times more cringe when spoken aloud than written.
>>342982303
It's sadder seeing him stumble and contradict himself IRL.
>>342981470
Yeah, that'd be a good example. In fact, pretty much anyone villainous or morally ambiguous would be great
>>342982664
>>342982997
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0MHQeaFV-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PztyQ_6xSes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lFHo81c8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_MfeZdLkmk
I'm sure you can make a drinking game out of this
>>342982303
So he brings up the complaints people make, says there's some truth to them, and then says all the complaints are dishonest?
>>342983225
Doesn't matter because he's a "real Paper Mario fan"Is the infograph guy in this thread?
Post-Archie Sonic Reboot = Post-Sticker Star Paper Mario
>>342982838
How long does it take to delete a Youtube channel?
>>342981429
>another solo-mario quest
But there's never been any solo Mario RPG, what the fuck are you talking about. Also, how can one person have such horrible taste??
>>342984449
This is /v/
>>342980865
They took her
>>342985242
Her what?
>>342985285
Well I'm sorry to hear that.
>>342980617
I think know geno would be a great end game spoiler as a partner
Now that Nintendo and square are on better terms it's plausible
I didn't even like super Mario rpg that much, it would just be a cool reference
>>342976142
but i need one on a stationary console
>mfw Cody keeps coming back just to ruin any Paper Mario, Star Fox, or Metroid threads
>Even though we know a lot about him and people are finding more shit everyday
It's almost like he wants to get fucked over or something
>>342976142
>>342985897
>wants to be remembered as a smug, almost-tripfag
>the 2-3 people who care will remember him as a lip smacking fag with a receding hairline
>>342985897
He's probably going to delete them Youtube videos to dispose the evidence.
Right now people know how he talks and that his real name is Travis
>>342986196
>receding hairline
JUST
>>342985897
It's only people in Paper Mario threads who know about his identity and shit.
If he wants to be fucked over he should let his information be known on Kiwifarms or Encyclopedia Dramatica or something
>>342976592
But this is PAPER Mario, not standard Mario.
>>342981470
You don't want Wario now that he's basically just Nintendo's le randum gross man
All of his moves would just be based on bad breath and farts
>>342986985
Anon...
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/08/11/wariofart1/
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/08/11/wariofart2/
is paper mario fun
>>342987159
Yep
>>342987159
If you're new to the series, play it in order of release.
Make your own opinions about the series as you go.
>he's fifteen years old and already has a receding hairline
How does that even happen?
>>342988263
Inferior subhuman genes.
>>342988263
Shit genes.
>>342988263
How can you be sure he's 15?
>>342986793
It's a Mario game nonetheless
>Try to play Paper Mario on my android
>the emulator can't decide whether it can run it or not
>>342986657
>Encyclopedia Dramatica
If he keeps this up he just might end up on there
>>342989607
not like it matters since anyone can end up there now
and nobody even goes to it
>>342989607
If they knew they would've archived his videos from the get go
>>342986196
>receding hairline
It's like pottery
>>342989607
ed makes 4chan looks like its sane
its like a group of apes flinging shit everywhere, screeching and beating on their chest like retards
>>342977162
The game may have sucked but this game had great writing
Friendly reminder that Sticker Star is better than Super Paper Mario, story-fags ruined PM, and M&L is the better series.
>>342976142
They killed the wrong son. M&L was always the less original of the two as an RPG and already had tons of non rpg minigames.
>>342991072
Thanks for the bump.
>>342991072
But M&L has story too anon, this is why people didn't like paper jam as much as the other games.
>>342981470
That'd be neat.
Would you?
>>342991915
If I was drunk, maybe.
>>342991603
>But M&L has story too anon
I've replayed SSS recently and it barely has more story than Sticker Star does. You have a tiny bit of story followed by hours of gameplay with a little bit more story then gameplay and the least liked oned(Dream Team) is the one that just doesn't shut up.
>>342992085
Are ya sure?
>>342991072
SPM is way better than sticker star you gay homo faggot
>>342992185
Not him but SPM is a shitty platformer spin-off of a series that's all about excellent platforming. Sticker Star is a better adventure game than SPM is a platformer.
The insipid story is the only reason people like SPM.
>>342992363
every game that isn't the original or TTYD is a spinoff
>>342991915
Hell yeah. I love big plump full lips too much to not.There is not enough porn of her sucking dick.
>>342992138
>and it barely has more story than Sticker Star does
Sticker Star
>Bowser kidnaps Peach, get the royal stickers and beat him
Mario & Luigi
>Peach's voice is stolen, Mario & Luigi travel to another kingdom with Bowser to get answers
>it turns out Peach didn't get her voice stolen, it was a ruse
>you nearly kill the villain
>she fuses with Bowser and kidnaps Peach
>except it wasn't Peach, it was Luigi
>beat her
quit pretending
>>342976142
>All this bitching by Paper Mario fans
>"Jeeze how bad could it be."
>Watch a video of the battle system
Wutttttttttttttttttttttttt
>>342992363
I don't see why we need a mediocre action-adventure game, though
>>342976142
>tfw every Paper Mario game from now on will be the same generic shitty Neo-Nintendo reheated NSMB soulless formula with a new shitty SO INNOVATIVE™ gimmick which the entire game is based around
just
>>342993985
end
>>342976465
well, that used to be Final Fantasy
>>342989296
you don't need two Mario game
>>342994914
shit
>>342994842
>You don't need two mario game
You heard him Nintendo. Shut down EVERYTHING except for the mainline series.
>>342994842
Do we even need two Nintendo games?
>>342995119
Do we need anything that isn't Mario?
>>342995712
Nope.
>>342995712
No. In fact, every NPC is Mario. All the bosses are Mario.
>>342992138
>least liked one(Dream Team)
Pretty sure that's the consensus is that the weakest games are PiT and Paper Jam.
Dream Team is actually my favorite.
The thing about 64/TTYD is that the characters weren't aware they were made of paper. The curses made you become paper, but it is that. Curses. It was also used for visual effects like when Mario fell from the door in goomba village.
Now that everyone is aware they are of paper, there is no walking without having a paper joke every 2 steps.
Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario are different types of RPGs, so yeah, we do need two Mario RPG series running at the same time.
>>342996495
DELET THIS
>>342987091
Thanks for the great read, anon
>>342979613
Go to bed Tanabe
>>342996495
>Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario are different types of RPGs, so yeah, we do need two Mario RPG series running at the same time.
Now they're even more different.
>>342980319
Why are you saying "TTYD sequel"?
PM64 exists too, you know.
>>342998092
maybe it's because TTYD is the sequel to PM64 genius
So can we all agree that the one good part of the Toad-Apocalypse is that Toadette became an actual mainline character?
Do you guys think she'll stay mainline and unique, or will she go the way of Toadsworth when The OC Purge 2 happens?
Surprised this wasn't posted yet, it usually is by now.
Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOU1mZnDpbM
>>342996383
Glad to finally see an example of this posted. A lot don't understand how the paper jokes differ in the older games compared to the latest ones.
Who is your favorite character?
>>342978015
Source?
>>342998420
One day, a hero will rise...
It's fine without a story. So do we really need one?
>>342999765
If they expect me to keep shelling out $50 bucks for their games, yes. I feel like I'm getting less and less of my moneys worth from Mario games as of late.
>>342998420
Who the fuck cares about Toadsworth
when hes there nobody cares
but when hes gone its like this big fucking conspiracy WOW TOADSWORTH SUCH A MEMORABLE AND BELOVED CHARACTER WHERE IS HE BRING HIM BACK
its like what happened when birdo wasnt in MK8, no one played as her in wii, but its suddenly such a big deal that she wasnt in 8 OH NO NOT FUCKING BIRDO
>>342977570
The emperor joker arch kind of sucks, only good thing to come of it was the bbatb episode
>>342999991
You don't value what you have until you lose it
>>342999361
Partner wise: Bow & Goombella
In general:Flavio
>>342976412
this
>>343000034
>only good thing to come of it was the bbatb episode
That was a good episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4zlC8jAISk
>>342999991
He was a good nervous aristocrat foil to Peach's carefree nature.
>>343000978
I prefer the toad minister, he has a better design
>>343000070
Not him and not that I disagree necessarily but look at how that turned out for the Koopalings when they came back due to fan demand.
Someone should just make a ROMhack of 64. It's clear that Nintendo doesn't care about Paper Mario as an RPG anymore.
>>342999991
>her
>>343001452
The rom hacking tool is still in progress anon, soon we'll be able to make our games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w4FGwguIPA
>>343001416
They came back as Mario went to total shit, they're not a problem themselves, the way Mario implements anything is.
>>343001416
In their case their flaw was obvious from the start and people chose to ignore it: they didn't think that maybe Nintendo had a logical, pragmatic reason for replacing them with BJ.
>>342996383
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????
>>342978015
You would hate 2D Metroid too if you had to interact with Sakamoto every day.
>>343001858
Awesome. I hope this gets finished.
>>342986985
>fartgas and bad breath
>not taking it to the next level with shit
>>343002480
It'll get finishedin 2020
>>342976142
I'm actually excited for color splash. I can deal with stickers because if you honestly just took them out, the combat is closely similar to the first two: turn based, select attack, command prompts to boost attack.
The writing from.what I've seen seems to be close to the same vein, though I'm not impressed with the characters and background cast I've seen so far. They do seem lazy but seriously what the fuck else is on the wiiu
Also M&L is okay I guess but it's a waste of resources if it's coming at the detriment of paper Mario.
>>343003517
Travis please leave
>>343003606
you do realize his name isn't actually travis
he just calls himself travis touchdown
his name is cody
>>343003517
Honestly if it turns out that all these shitty games recently weren't because Nintendo was pushing its resources for high NX launch titles, I'm fucking done with them.
>>342999941
I wonder how Miyamoto would feel and think if he realized people liked the original characters, settings, and stories in the Mario RPGs and hell even Rosalina's Storybook from Galaxy 1.
>>343003834
You can see that quite a bit of resources went into Color Trash, it's one of the best looking games on the system, not filler shovelware like AC Amiibo Scam and Federation Farce.
>>342981549
>>342982303
>>342983178
lol what a vaginaface
>>343003606
Sorry man I just don't like M&L. It's too platformy and I just can't get into handhelds anymore.
>>343004207
You can also see this wasn't a dedicated effort to make as good a game as they could possibly make.
>>343004207
>quite a bit of resources went into Color Trash, it's one of the best looking games on the system
It's a simplistic style that got minimal tweaks. It isn't pushing anything. And based on all the footage shown, they didn't even bother with decent lighting effects.
>>343004128
Spiteful, probably.
>>343004464
I think his mind would collapse for few seconds after realizing how many people he pissed off and how he can't comprehend their enjoyment of such things
>>343004612
I'm not sure the man is capable of self-critical thought these days.
>>343003834
Pikmin 4 and Retro's unannounced project appear to have been delayed for the NX.
>>343004429
Have we seen the same footage?
Speaking of Mario games, this is miles better than how 3DW could ever hope to look.
>>343005717
>Have we seen the same footage?
Yes? All the characters look like they're in the dark, even on the beach where it's clearly sunny and nothing is towering over them.
>>343004207
>it's one of the best looking games on the system, not filler shovelware like AC Amiibo Scam and Federation Farce
It's dolled up filler garbage that reels in retards like you because it looks pretty
>>343005960
Good thing we were just talking about how good it looks then.
Or calling it "Color Trash" didn't give away what I think of the game, you stupid faggot?
>>342976412
For the Mario franchise? Yes.
>>343006229
I know you're going to get suckered in and buy it anyway
>>343005869
Because the characters are always facing the screen, and are actual flat 2 sided characters now, so the sun will always be blocked by their backs
Also weirdly realistic unity lighting
>>343006396
I don't even have a WiiU anymore so that's highly unlikely.
>>343005869
?
How does this look like the one screen with Morton where they are actually in the dark?
F
>>342993985
Don't be so entitled anon. Just replay TTYD for the fourth fucking time. It hasn't gone anywhere :^)
>>342976142
I gave up on Paper Mario after Sticker Star. I just hope the Mario and Luigi series can fill the void. Superstar Saga was fun, now I just need to play the rest.
Damned Nintendo is just porting the 3DS games to wiiu. It happened with 3D land, mario tennis, and now with paper mario. This is just lazy.
>>343008387
I hope we get this next.
>>343008387
The rest are arguably as good if not betterr, it's one of the few series I'd say has no bad games at all.
>>343009061
PiT is the weakest of the series but it is still interesting. At least they didn't go the same route paper mario is going.
>>343008981
>Waluigi
Reminds me of the reason why they didn't have Paper Luigi appear in Paper Jam
>>342976592
Even Mario platformers have more variety than that. Galaxy had penguins, monkeys, robots, Toads, lumas and bees to name a few.
>>342982303
How did people even find out his identity?
>>343008981
Why the fuck doesn't this happen? Wario has so much potential due to the Wario Land & Wario Ware series and they could finally give Waluigi character in some form through it. At the very least they should be a boss fight or something.
>>343010062
He posted a screen cap of one of his Miiverse posts in a Metroid thread
Someone dug up the account and it all matched with the posts he did on 4chan.
>>343010062
He was posting screenshots of his Miiverse page to support the fact that people really do like X Nintendo game I believe.
>>342976412
This bothers me so much. Okay, Paper Mario isn't an RPG series any more. It's an adventure series.
SO WHERE
IS
THE
FUCKING
ADVENTURE
>>343010062
I dunno about the Miiverse shit, but I was bored and looked up what a fucking "pretendos" was
Found a video of some autist, found out he made one for Sticker Star
Then I just replied to the Bowser image with a link
>>343004286
I can smell the stench in his videos
>>342976142
If every major fights boils down to:
1. Use predetermined "thing" sticker
2. The fight turns into a joke, Mari does massive damage and the boss can barely hurt him
Then why bother having turn-based combat in the first place? If everything is going to be a braindead puzzle then just make it an adventure game like Monkey Island
>>343010393
Its an amazing adventure, anon
You get to see a plains level, a desert level, a beach level, a forest level, an ice level, a jungle level, a volcano level
You get to save Peach and a bunch of generic toads from the evil Bowser and the Koopa Kids
Its just like an NSMB game but without any of that pesky platforming!
>>343010813
It probably will do that.
>>343008981
We won't.
Nintendo is pretty out of sync with decisions that might actually produce a decent game, so the odds of this happening are slim to none.
Even Paper Jam, which had all the pieces in place to be a fantastic game, still only sat somewhere between "mediocre" and "good". If Paper Jam had been produced in 2005-2009, it would have been absolutely stellar.
All of that said, though, modern Ninty is producing Breath of the Wild, which at least shows they're listening to fan feedback a tiny bit. But the Zelda team is not the Mario team.
>>343010813
>>343011123
>>343011123
Y'know, a small part of me sees webm's like these and gets a little impressed.
But then I think of what a PM/TTYD Paper Mario would be like with visuals like these, and I just get disappointed all over again.
>>343008981
Have literally wanted this since PiT came out.
>>342980319
The people who made TTYD the amazing, unique experience it was no longer work with Intelligent Systems
>>343007998
That game had personality and didn't feel like a soulless rehash, though :^^^)
>>342980219
>I saw nothing wrong with keeping Bowser from speaking in SS
Now tell us about how "you didn't mind when the final dungeon was only two rooms long"
>>343011673
Yeah, right afterwards he just kills him with a normal hammer attack & the fight is over.
>>343011058
God help me, I love the NSMB games, but dear fucking LORD does Miyamoto need to stop applying that formula to other genres.
Actually, he doesn't. He's just failed to properly synthesize what the formula IS - bring it back to basics. Figure out what the core appeal of the game is and replicate that. Nobody fucking plays NSMB for the plot, they play it because it's fucking Mario.
So he's failed to apply his formula to other games. People DID play Paper Mario for the plot, for the adventure, for the RPG mechanics. You can't remove those or you remove the entire game. Hell, I'd argue that the M&L series is less of an "RPG" than the PM series. If you have to go weird and experimental because "you can't have 2 RPG series", then make M&L the one you fuck up.
>>343011240
>>343011123
HEY, WHAT DO THE KIDS LIKE?
THEY LIKE LONG, NON-INTERACTIVE BATTLE CUTSCENES RIGHT?
I MEAN, ITS NOT LIKE WE DID AWAY WITH THAT SHIT WITH ACTION COMMANDS IN FUCKING SMRPG
>>343011860
Don't claim that Miyamoto had any influence on Sticker Star
You're going to summon the autist
>>343011673
Yup. You either use the fire extinguisher on the hot thing or die.
Brilliant puzzle battles. Still not as good as using a bowling ball to hit the giant out of place bowling pins in the background of a forest at a place called Strike Lake, though.
That's the cream of the crop.
>>343011860
I completely agree with your post, except for the "I love the NSMB games". I have to genuinely ask what you see in them. I could see maybe the first one, which I enjoyed, but every one since has just felt so soulless and plastic to me.
>>343012151
What the everloving shit
>>342980336
>Also so far in 40 minutes of gameplay shown at E3 there was not a single "We're made of paper" joke so why get hung up on something that hasn't even happened?
They Shy Guys literally wrap you up in the cardboard of the diorama
don't be a misleading cunt
>>342991072
both games are sub-par, but at least IS had the self-awareness not to make a direct sequel to SPM, even after it sold 3 million copies.
How could they be so fucking out-of-touch to think that anybody wants a clone sequel of Sticker Star? Did they just stop giving a shit?
>>343008981
Why is Waluigi a sandnig?
>>343011240
That's very anti climatic
>>342992138
Don't be a faggot.
The pacing and scenarios in SSS were what made the game so memorable. The story was fantastic.
>>343011619
Is there any chance they will pull a playtronic and make a spiritual successor someday?
>>343012992
Think about how they have 90% of new people working on the series since Sticker Star & how Color Splash started development right after Sticker Star was finished. Maybe we'll see some form of change in the future if we get lucky.
>>343009952
But then 3DL/W only had fucking Toads.
>>343012992
They began developing Color Splash right after Sticker Star was released and they had a lot of fun making Sticker Star going as to far as to say it'll be the new standard for Paper Mario games IIRC.
They measured an entire opinion of a mass through an obscure Club Nintendo poll as well.
Are the Japanese fans as pissed as the Western fans are?
>>343012220
It's just pure, tight gameplay. Sometimes it gets a bit samey, but I like the mechanics of NSMB and I like getting a bunch of new levels and challenges and shit every once in a while. I don't need any of that story or whatever. I just need a bunch of dumb jumpy levels with maybe a few frustrating points that I can play when I get home and don't really feel like getting into a big thing. It's like the snack food you eat in-between the big releases.
It's also a nice party game.
>>343012220
The NSMB games certainly aren't worth $60 that Nintendo asks for them
But more-or-less they're well-made romhacks
>>343012992
>>343013184
>>343013278
Here's the source for all of that: >>342998461
>Are the Japanese fans as pissed as the Western fans are?
Supposedly Japs don't like it either. But the only source we have of that are these 2 Anons that partially translated these 2 pages.Even then I'm not sure if we can trust that.
>>343011860
>then make M&L the one you fuck up.
>U mad?
>>343013184
What kind of cocky dipshit attitude do you have to have to immediately reuse the very new style of your game for an established series without even bothering to wait to see how the first one was received? I mean they must have done SOME research, otherwise they wouldn't have put the token paint-exp system in it.
>>343013278
I get when you`re wrapped up in the developement of a game and you have to push forward, flaws and all
But they would have to be massively out of touch not to see the bad design philosophy inherent in Sticker Star. The battle system alone affords ZERO customization, ZERO character growth, ZERO battle options and actively discourages combat because you're spending your only resource which is coins. Don't give me that horseshit that Intelligent Systems couldn't have known they were making a flawed game.
For fuck's sake, they had to include a system where you could kill enemies by running away from them, because the coin system was so poorly thought out.
>>343013556
>tight gameplay
I don't know if I would call it that. NSMB physics are so slippery and floaty.
>PAPER MARIO SHOULDN'T BE AN RPG, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TOO SIMILAR TO MARIO&LUIGI PAPER JAM
>OH BUT LETS MAKE EVERY NPC INTO A GENERIC TOAD
>AND LETS MAKE EVERY STAGE A VARIATION OF FIELD, DESERT, BEACH, FOREST, ICE, VOLCANO
>AND LETS MAKE BOWSER THE FINAL BOSS
>AND LETS HAVE HIM CAPTURE PEACH
If they were just honest about this shit, it would be less annoying. But they're so fucking transparent about it.
>>343014042
Sure, but it all works. There aren't any challenges which are designed with different gameplay in mind. The games never really make unreasonable requests.
It's not my favorite gameplay, and there are definitely more exciting platformer physics models, but the game KNOWS what its gameplay is like and always has challenges designed accordingly. I admire the level design work.
>>343014474
It was the result of a series of bad ideas and decisions from Miyamoto to the actual developers
>>343014474
To be fair, I'm sure that they've realized by now that people really panned Sticker Star. Especially after all of the dislike bombing. That's why the paint bucket companion is in there, for instance, and probably why you get to reuse cards.
The problem is that they started production on it too quickly, and now they're stuck. They're probably trying to make the best of what they've got, make it flashy and fun regardless of all the stupid ideas they've made, but it's not like they're going to delay it at this point.
I bet it feels horrible to know that you're about to release a product your consumers will almost certainly hate. To know that there's almost no chance of it doing well. Makes you want to blame them, but you know that deep down the only one you can blame is yourself.
We dont need 2 platformers either.
>>343013920
>What kind of cocky dipshit attitude do you have to have to immediately reuse the very new style of your game for an established series without even bothering to wait to see how the first one was received?
A high level that makes you say shit like
>play Mario & Luigi if you want an RPG
>can't have two RPGs with different mechanics
>Paper Mario is for experimentation now
>don't want to spoil the story about why there's Bowser tape from Sticker Star everywhere
>we were at a party and said "yeah this is a good idea"
>if you want, you could beg and we'd consider remaking TTYD ;)
>>343011860
And the worst part is that they think they are doing everyone a favor through these actions.
