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>reviewtechusa
This shithead will post anything. If you have half a brain you would know theres no way in fuck this would happen
Just because a trademark includes "cartridges' doesn't mean that the game will be on cartridges.
>>342909995
They do seem to have had a knack for shooting themselves in the foot since N64, though
>>342910006
Anyone Capcom trademark, Resident Evil 7, including "cartridges"
Don't put too much faith into these things.
>>342909995
>>342910137
There's nothing wrong with cartridges, flash memory has gotten much much cheaper, it holds a lot of memory and it can be faster than Blu-Ray.
>>342910214
Here's an Ubisoft trademark for a MOBILE that includes "cartridges"
It's just used to cover all the bases.
>RUMORS
>RUMORS
>RUMORS
who the fuck cares
What's the important metric to look at when evaluating SD cards? I assume any kind of cartridge format would basically an SD card, right?
Is it read speed, bus speed?
>>342910137
wassup namefag?
its 2016. Flash memory would like to meet ya.
It's not just a trademark that alludes to cartridges. Macronix, who has previously made chips for Nintendo's carts, says it has expectations for its NOR flash business linked to the launch of the NX.
>>342909781
high speed SD cards are pretty expensive, it would make way more sense for them to just include an SSD and go digital download only
>>342910513
It's not an SD card, but it would probably use the same flash storage that's used in everything
>>342910214
>>342910520
I know that but there was nothing inherently wrong with the minidiscs Gamecube used except the fact that they were a different type of disc than what the competition used and I'm sure that really effected how things panned out for the console
>reviewtechUSA
Why do people want to watch someone play an unrelated game while they talk about nonsense?
>>342910712
Well look at Leafyishere
It's working out for him
>>342910682
>include an SSD and go digital only
An SSD large enough to facilitate an all digital console would be really expensive, even in bulk. The CEO of Gamestop has already confirmed that the NX is going to have physical media, so if it's not cartridges it will be discs.
I would think the entire purpose behind a move to cartridges would be to lower the cost on the console's BOM, so an SSD in that context doesn't make any sense.
>>342910958
nintendo doesn't spend as much on the CPU/GPU horse power, and a 480gb SSD is nearing $100
I hate Nintendo but
>reviewshitusa
He could review food and he'd still be terrible at it.
>>342910685
The problem with minidiscs was that they held less data than their competition. But nowadays cartridges can theoretically hold more data than a Blu-Ray for a not-terrible price.
>review fat USA
Are you fucking serious ? Remove shit YouTuber and try again
>>342909781
I hate when people make shitty mock ups like this. Their stupid. Reminds me of that shitty NX mock up with the buttons on the front of the console.
>>342909781
>ReviewTechUSA
My thoughts are you should stop watching dog shit youtubers.
>>342909781
Is /v/ your new sponsor rich?
Have you even seen what that fat fuck looks like ?
>>342911485
By 2018 he will encompass his entire basement
CAN YOU FUCKING FSGGOTS JUST SHUT THE FUCJ UP ALREADY??
The NX patent contains NO disc drive. This has been known for months.
/thread
>>342910351
BUT THEY'RE GROWING STRONGER!
>>342911313
>held less data
Apparently they held enough to store unaltered multiplats and some that were better than their counterparts on other consoles like RE4.
>Nintendo sticks with cartridges for the N64
>the entire video game market abandons them in favor of Sony
>Nintendo uses cartridges for the NX
>the entire video game market comes back to Nintendo
It will never happen, but it would be quite poetic if that actually was the case. As it stands, it won't change anything since Sony has monopolized the entire industry. But hey, so did Nintendo at one point.
Why are his videos so fucking loud?
>>342910137
Have fun installing games before being able to play them.
>>342911762
It was still less data. Minidiscs held 1.6GB, DVDs (which the Xbox and PS2 used) held 4.6GB.
>>342911883
SKIBUIDRBUARPAPAPA
BOOM.
>>342911849
I wonder why congress never took action against Sony. They did against Nintendo when they had a monopoly, arguing that it's terrible for the market for one company to have 90% market share or something.
>>342911849
>it won't change anything since Sony has monopolized the entire industry.
Vita says hello
>>342912047
Because sony has never had 90% marketshare.
>>342912047
Because jews.
Sony also owns like 50% of media on anime land. The other half is kadokawa.
>>342912047
Sony's been lobbying and bribing Congress like literally every corporation ever.
>>342909781
Are the sources for this new rumor even more new rumors?
Then it has got to be true!
>>342909781
If its true it probably means one of two things:
either NX is a budget system of some sort aimed at capturing the nostalgia market as card media still can't affordably store anywhere near the data of a Blu-Ray disc.
or NX is a portable of some sort likely a new 'high end' replacement for the 3DS line capable of playing WiiU level games that may still retain compatibility with DS and 3DS games.
>>342911964
Apparently it didn't matter
There's absolutely nothing wrong with using cartridges for NX
Cartridges are easily viable in today's market
>>342911584
Between the misspellings, the double question mark, the blatant falsehood, and "/thread"ing your own post, you really come across like a child.
>>342909781
>tripfag
>>342912047
One is an arcade developer that came to rapid prominence and killed off the American microcomputer market, the other is an electronics giant. Even fucking Microsoft was targeted by Congress, because apparently it was evil to bundle Internet Explorer with Windows.
>>342912175
Vita is still getting World of Final Fantasy while the 3DS isn't. The 3DS got rhythm based spinoffs while the Vita got remakes of FFX. The Vita still sees more "AAA" Japanese support than the 3DS. Even Level 5's Yokai Watch is just a diversion from the large scale Ni No Kuni 2, which is only going to the PS4.
>>342909781
I really hope that if they don't use cartridges whatever new gimmick controller they have has a cartridge slot that allows you to play any ds or 3ds game on the NX.
>>342912338
$13 32gb SD card
https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-UHS-1-Memory-TS32GSDHC10U1E/dp/B008CVHLT2
UHS Class 10 and SD 3.01 compliant, a speed of 10 MB/s is guaranteed
Up to 90 MB/s 600x
50gb blu ray 50 disc $99, roughly 2$ per disc
https://www.amazon.com/Optical-Quantum-Blu-ray-Recordable-50-Disc/dp/B00KOCVCP6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466998811&sr=8-2&keywords=50GB+Blu-Ray
Rip backwards compatibility dreams
>>342912535
Sony have like 70% of Europe on their hands.
Mostly due Fifa and Cod, shit sometimes look insane. A good chunk of Nintendo sales on europe are from France or portables due pokemon.
>>342912729
Blu ray is 6x
>>342912742
They have their horrible online store though, I don't get why they don't yet have a unified account system
>>342912535
>Shitty Square Enix ports and weeb games = full monopoly on the game industry
There's grasping at straws, and then there's this
>>342912535
>Even Level 5's Yokai Watch is just a diversion from the large scale Ni No Kuni 2, which is only going to the PS4.
I don't think you know how companies work
>>342911125
Even at bulk prices I don't see that $100 coming down anywhere near enough to make it worth anyone's while. And like I said -- the CEO of Gamestop already confirmed physical media.
An SSD is just not a relevant addition to a console. There's no point to even entertain it as a standard feature right now, for any console manufacturer.
The NX is going to be a handheld. The capabilities will be similar to a Wii U, but shrunk down. It will be kind of like how the New 3DS can play original Wii games. Nintendo knows they can't make a real current generation machine, so they're putting everything they have into making a handheld that they feel can survive against the phone gaming market. Just like the Wii was a recycle of the Gamecube, the NX will be a recycle of the Wii U.
>>342912729
You just compared single-unit pricing of one item to bulk pricing of another item.
>>342912742
Just keep the WiiU. It already plays hacked WiiU games and Wii, and with the hacked virtual Wii you can run every single Nintendo game made
>>342912535
>Killed microcomputers off
I think Nintendo did us a favor. Those things sucked, my cousin showed me his and it had fuckall.
>>342913043
>>342913021
Even in bulk the SD card would cost more per GB
the real reason it's using cartridges is because it's probably going to be a handheld and home console in one, and the handheld wouldn't have much if any internal storage, so the cartridges will be cross platform
>>342913041
Ninty has always dominated the handheld market, now they want to invade the mobile space, which might kill them.
Smart move: Y/N ?
>>342913005
If the 3DS was so relevant, then why is every major Japanese title coming out only for Sony consoles?
>>342912535
>The 3DS got rhythm based spinoffs while the Vita got remakes of FFX
Are you just going to ignore the Dragon Quest games, Final Fantasy Explorers, Bravely Default, and all that shit to try and prove a point?
Rich? Is that you? I don't know you lurks on 4chin too.
>>342912729
You can get 64GB for $20. Qnd thats the consumer price.
Selling direct to Nintendo could be as low as $0.80 per card.
>>342913209
I don't remember Monhunt having a Vita port.
Also A lot of weeb games on ps4 were vita games. And sony have aniplex to boot.
>>342912535
Its illegal for a company who holds a monopoly in one area, like operating systems to abuse that market position to capture additional segments of the market, or to damage a competitor because that will lead to stagnation and ultimately damage to the economy.
So for instance right now Microsoft is walking a fine line with their Windows Store and UWP games because it could be viewed as an attempt by Microsoft to leverage their Windows monopoly to illegally force competitors out of the market, and the fact that the supposedly 'Universal' programs only actually work on one version of one operating system on one hardware platform isn't going to help Microsoft's case.
>>342913209
Define "Major Japanese Title"
Because in Japan, Yokai Watch makes huge bucks, and it's a 3DS exclusive series
>>342912742
>>342912839
>No backwards compatibility.
If I was Nintendo I would just use the cartridges as an excuse to go full Jew and re-release every Wii U game again on NX, it's not like there is that many exclusives.
NX needs games. Having shit like BotW, Bayonetta 2 and W101 on release would be cool.For me atleast since I don't own a Wii U
I'm honestly excited to see how Nintendo is going to not learn their lesson again and fuck the NX's life up.
>>342913229
>Dragon Quest
Which is also on the PS4.
>FF3
What?
>BD
Who?
>and all that shit
So nothing major.
>>342913369
It started on Sony consoles. And the Nintendo exclusivity is running out, MHG is the farewell title.
>>342913458
If Level 5 makes so much money on the 3DS, then why is their upcoming Ni No Kuni only coming to the PS4?
>>342913041
>Just dance on release.
Yeah... No.
>>342913363
80 cents sounds incredibly optimistic.
>tfw 3DS can only use SD cards up to 2 GB
>tfw can't download Street Fighter 4 3D onto mine that I got from humble bundle
>>342913589
>Which is also on the PS4.
But also on 3DS
>What?
So you'll count World of Final Fantasy but you won't count this one
>Who?
See above
>So nothing major.
Sonygger to the max
>And the Nintendo exclusivity is running out, MHG is the farewell title
Are Sonyggers still spreading this lie?
>>342913654
Still even if it was a dollar it wouldn't really be that bad.
This isn't the n64 days where the cartridge is adding another $20-30 to the price, while $1 vs $.01 is sizable, $1 is still cheap enough to write off and it would also let the console be cheaper since it wouldnt have to pack a Blu-ray reader.
>>342913209
>major Japanese title
Like? Dragon quest?
Sony doesnt give a single shit about Japanese games now that they have captured the xbox audience.
>>342913728
>he doesnt have a 128GB card in his 3DS right now
Kek
>>342909781
These are the same guys who spammed that oval shaped full faced LED controller. Fuck out of here. They couldn't predict a hangover if a hundred bucks depended on it.
>>342913728
Wait, not even hacked N3DS's?
>>342913043
To make sense in bulk pricing it would need to be somewhere close to the pricing of optical media. The DS line has always been built around that economic factor. So in the original hardware you had single capacity 128MB games, and a few japan-only double capacity 256MB games. With the 3DS you had single capacity 2GB games, and a number of double capacity 4GB games. If they follow the pattern NX will probably be 8GB single capacity with 16GB double capacity which would give it enough storage for most 7th or 8th gen games but I could see them making 4GB the standard for similarity to DVD and cutting the costs of distribution more since a 4GB standard size would be cheaper than new DS media has been in the past.
>>342913589
>It started on Sony consoles. And the Nintendo exclusivity is running out, MHG is the farewell title.
After sony telling capcom to fuck off and saying that they aren't doing portables anymore. Do you Really think that MH will have a release on Sony console?
>>342913928
>he doesnt have a 128GB card in his 3DS right now
Teach me master
>>342913940
I think you were looking for "hangover in a bar".
>>342913589
>If Level 5 makes so much money on the 3DS, then why is their upcoming Ni No Kuni only coming to the PS4
>He doesn't know how exclusivity deals work
>>342913185
They lost the console war, so now their only hope for staying in the hardware game is to win the mobile war. The handheld market is shrinking and Sony looks like they're out, and Nintendo might be out of making home consoles because of the Wii U. This will be Nintendo's last stand that determines their fate.
The fortunate thing is that Nintendo at least seems open to experimenting with other platforms if hardware stops being an option. Before he died Iwata wanted to shift Nintendo's focus away from gaming and focus on quality of life products inspired by the Wii Fit's success, and I can only imagine that wasn't met with a lot of enthusiasm from their game developers. Now that he's gone those plans seem to have been shelved, and Nintendo's plan B seems a lot more likely to involve phones, the Playstation and Xbox if plan A doesn't work.
>>342913728
>tfw 3DS can only use SD cards up to 2 GB
That's not even close to being true.
>>342913589
>then why is their upcoming Ni No Kuni only coming to the PS4?
Because it's really hard to make a game compatible with both 3DS and PS4?
Are you trying to be retarded on purpose or are you just that dumb?
>>342914101
http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/274/~/what-sd-cards-and-microsd-cards-are-compatible%3F
>>342914038
format. I believe its exFAT or fat32
>>342913589
>If Level 5 makes so much money on the 3DS, then why is their upcoming Ni No Kuni only coming to the PS4?
Because as far as Nintendo fans go, the only ones that played it are Japanese. They're porting it to PS4 because the playerbase for that particular game is already there. It's not a question of Level 5's loyalty, it's just common sense. No person with business sense would bother porting it to the Wii U.
>>342914098
>the Playstation and Xbox
I don't know how going onto phones = going fully third party
>>342911313
Even if it's "not terrible", no publisher is going to want to pay any more extra for manufacturing, period.
![sLe13h3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Gv4pVxF.jpg "sLe13h3[1].jpg")
>>342914221
>what is sdhc
>>342914013
No but it mighton PC.
>>342913928
>Sony doesnt give a single shit about Japanese games
They never have, unless it was precisely MGS or FF. Taito? Data East? Sunsoft? None of them mattered.
>>342914109
That Dragon Quest proved otherwise.
>>342914075
>>342914296
PS4 is Japan's only relevant console != exclusivity contract.
>>342914057
Oh, right you are. Much obliged.
>>342914221
And yet here I am with my 32GB fucking card. I must have hacked it :^)
>>342914519
>That Dragon Quest proved otherwise.
Dragon Quest on PS4 and 3DS are completely different games you autist
>>342914519
>PC
Fuck no, capcom will prefer put monhunt on phones than PC, nips are full mobile now.
Consoles are close to being irrelevant there.
>>342914519
>PS4 is Japan's only relevant console
Not much of an accomplishment since consoles are dying over there anyways
Also it still hasn't outsold the Wii U out there
>>342910351
Drama queens love rumors
>>342910712
To be fair, he is ditching that format and showing his fat body instead.
>>342914519
Well I'm talking about the global market, not just Japan. They're thinking about westerners as well. This game did not get released in the west on 3DS, so why would they port it to Wii U? It's not about what Level 5 thinks of Nintendo as a company, or whether they believe their presence in Japan is irrelevant. It's about that particular game.
>>342914776
>consoles are dying in Japan
>Sega, Level 5, Vanillaware, Square, Bamco, Platinum, and some others are making games only for the PS4
PS4 is so dead, it hasn't stopped Sega from making yearly Yakuzas or Mikus, it hasn't stopped Bamco from making Souls and Anime tie ins for their consoles, it hasn't stopped Square from making XV, Dissisia, and KH3 for PS4.
>>342913623
>implying handhelds haven't had shitty dancing games
>>342909781
I don't get it, so is it supposed to be a new handheld?
The New 3DS like just came out, that is overkill
>>342914735
lmao
>>342915017
nintendo rumors are always the stupidest shit out of the big three.
>>342914908
What? That's disgusting
>>342914959
>Japanese companies only make games for Japan!
Thar's not how it works you retard
>>342915017
They're calling it a "third pillar", not specifying whether it's a new console or not. My guess is that it is their new console though.
I honestly hope it is.
I would love to see the tears of all the fags who think they can buy an NX to play all the Wii U games they missed.
>>342914965
>tfw I miss GH on DS.
But well, Just Dance on Nintendo consoles requires a fucking Wiimote, at least its something that we know that NX will have support.
I've got a question. Wouldn't the move to carts make pirating absurdly easy?
>>342915143
Every Japanese game sells better in the west than in Japan, except for maybe Dragon Quest. The west also games on Xbox and PC. In fact, 7th generation has shown that Capcom, Konami, and Square that there isn't a single platform monopoly in the west.
>>342914038
http://lofi-gaming.org.uk/blog/2013/10/25/updated-how-to-upgrade-your-3ds-sd-card-to-64gb-and-beyond/
>>342914776
Wii U came out a year and a half before PS4 in Japan
>>342915270
I think the NX will have the ability to wirelessly broadcast games to an HDMI dongle on the TV, and have external controllers connected to it. For a game like Just Dance you would be using Wii remotes synced to the NX handheld, which you could play on the tiny screen but most likely you'd be playing on the TV.
>>342915242
I don't understand their logic, they are just pumping out new systems now in the hope of hitting a goldmine
My understanding is that companies don't make money on the consoles but on the game rights, which Nintendo has exclusivity of for pretty much every game that plays on their consoles, maybe not for 3DS but seriously, it's no competition against the Vita
They need to start putting out more than, say, the ONE game they had at E3
>>342913041
Probably not, but damn, I would love it.
>>342911762
RE4 was a gamecube-oriented title, it was only ported to ps2 later.
Most multiplats being brought over to the gamecube compressed things to fit. Usually music.
My thought is that the thumbnail for that faggots channel makes me want to punch him in the face. Never watched a video of his ever and his shit keeps getting recommended to me.
>>342915440
Are those sales numbers of some kind?
>Vita outselling the WiiU
>>342915242
DS was originally a "third pillar" between home consoles and the gameboy back in the day. We all know how that went
>>342910513
Even the shittiest flash memory has much faster read speed than Blu-ray discs, if that's what you're getting at.
>>342913363
32Gb cards go for around $2.50 each on alibaba for 10k+ units. 50GB Blu-ray pressing is a tenth that.
>>342915251
I hadn't thought of this, but that would be epic indeed.
>>342915606
Yes, and PS4 outselling the 3DS every week
>>342909781
>ReviewTechUSA
>Nintendo
The fat bastard has an extreme bias against Nintendo, if it involves them, he will shit on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YIgd4-2YPo&feature=youtu.be&a
>>342915741
>every week
>>342915749
But /v/ defends the rumor that Nintendo will use cartridges...
>>342913483
I don't have one either. The reason I want one instead of nx is because of price, and to get WW and TP HD.
>>342915479
My guess is that they're doing this as a sort of "reset". Reggie once said that each generation is like hitting the reset button on sales, and that it's a way of starting ll over.
If I had to guess, their strategy is to just ride out this last year and hope they can resurrect their brand. I don't know if that's the case, but I'm trying to think like Nintendo is thinking. That or this is just a strategy to get Sony and Microsoft to kill themselves off by releasing new hardware every 3 years. I think it's the former though.
It's going to be something too edgy and new to the point of everyone asking why they did it and it is going to tank, guaranteed
It's a good thing Nintendo is sitting on a massive pile of reserve cash because I don't see any bright future for them right now
>>342915860
Starting at Chinese 2016, Chinese 1, and Chinese 6 onwards, it's true.
>>342914221
Nigga reformat your sd card
>>342915749
He used to be a big Nintendo fan.
>>342915945
Well, WiiU made Microsoft and Sony rush the shit out of PS4 and Xbone.
But they need get momentum and get their shit together again,Unless scorpio and neo get a 599 dollars tag shit isn't going be pretty or easy.
>>342915627
No, it isn't what I'm getting at. I wanted to know which number I should be looking at to get an accurate picture of what kind of performance can be expected out of SD cards.
Also why would anyone care about the read speed of the Blu-ray disc/drive? PS4/Xbox One aren't running the game off of the Blu-ray disc/drive.
>>342915017
I can see playing Breath of the Wild in my bed all snuggled up. Don't see a problem here, but then again i'm only buying it to play Breath of the Wild, i don't care about any other wiiu/nx game
>>342911762
Multiplats on Gamecube weren't unaltered. Most games had worse textures and more heavily compressed audio than their PS2 and Xbox counterparts. Even then, several games had to be put on multiple discs.
>>342915976
I bet the opposite. It will be a nostalgia console that uses cartridges with average hardware and controller to get the normies to buy their consoles again
>>342909781
I approve. Loading times be damned.
>>342910006
>just because i like cock doesnt mean im homosexual.
This post.
>>342915945
Sony and Microsoft have made it pretty clear that they don't give a shit about what Nintendo does
>wii sells like hotcakes
>WiiU supposed to go toe to toe with the new technologies and is released mid-generation in an effort to prevent people from buying a ps4 or One
>tanks
>4 years later a new system is coming again
>>342916336
>normies.
Unless Nintendo pay big bucks to actionvision dews with CoD and EA for Fifa Ads, that not going happen.
>>342916195
So do you think that might be their angle? And yeah, I agree with you. They can't just keep releasing new consoles every 3 years or so and hope for the best. They really need to hit the ground running this time.
>>342916425
>Sony and Microsoft have made it pretty clear that they don't give a shit about what Nintendo does
>>342915479
The timing is fairly similar to DS->DSI->3DS, if it helps thing of the 'New' 3DS not as a new system, but as a better second revision of the 3DS.
It would be interesting if the NX is a handheld and its compatible with 3DS and New 3DS games if they would push more developers to target the shared market of NX and New 3DS.
>>342916303
>paying $560+ to play one game
>>342916324
>games had worse textures and more heavily compressed audio than their PS2 and Xbox counterparts
Strange since the GameCube is more powerful than the PS2.
>>342909781
>rumors grow stronger
>rumors grow
>RUMORS
>>342916425
Well, they say that, and Nintendo says they're not competing with them. They say these things, but we've seen them make decisions in-line with their competitors' actions before.
>>342916581
in terms of actually competing for sales?
Nintendo doesn't even have control of the Japan market anymore, they are totally irrelevant
>>342915251
Most Wii U games are available digitally.
>>342916425
>released mid-generation
Mid-generation would be like the PC-Engine, which game out ~4 years after the NES. Wii U launched in 2012, ~7 years after Xbox360.
>>342916670
Anonymous, are you retarded?
>>342916612
That's exactly what it's like living in a 1st world country, anon
>>342916670
Everyone hated work with PS2, it was awful to work and quite weak.Fuck even sega refused to port some games to ps2, the result is SADX and SA2 on GC and some games on xbox.
But it was selling like hotcakes so..... Also capcom broke the deal with Nintendo for RE4.
It might be a thing, with flash memory being cheap as fuck nowadays.
>>342916784
when you release your system a year before the other big 2 do, that's mid-generation
>>342915945
Listen to that clip of Reggie being asked about NX at E3.
MS and Sony are in their red ocean strategy.
Nintendo is in the blue ocean.
They forced MS and Sony to drop the xbone and ps4 for new hardware.
They have MS and Sony in a war for two gens now while they sit back and take no losses in hardware and software.
>>342916841
Are you?
>>342909781
>reviewtechusa
kys
>>342916846
>largest game library of all time
>everyone hated to work with it
>>342916738
>Nintendo doesn't even have control of the Japan market anymore, they are totally irrelevant
They still have the best selling gaming platform there though
Just because you say it doesn't make it true
>>342917001
It was selling like water anon.
Wii also got a shitton of ports or games. Publishers can't ignore that kind of thing.
>reviewtechusa
What's it like living in 2010
>>342916670
The hardware was more powerful, and definitely more influential on the systems that came after it as PS3, 360, and the Wii were all attempts to build a Gamecube 2.0. The Gamecube's problem that led to a few lower quality ports is that where the PS2 could support games up to 8GB in size and most games had 4GB to play with the Gamecube could only support 2GB on its disks. Which in most cases didn't matter since most games that generation were nowhere near that big but when it did matter the GC version might suffer a bit. Mostly though it was just down to low quality ports, the same problem we still see today all the time.
>>342916324
Some, not most. That more-so has to do with developer familiarity than power.
>>342917113
They have the best selling HANDHELD
PS4 has nearly double the WiiU and XBone sales COMBINED
What if NX is backwards compatable with 3ds
>>342916897
No, it isn't. Was PS2 a mid-generation console because it launched a year before the Gamecube and Xbox?
>>342916907
That's actually pretty ingenious.
do ps4/xbone even read off the disc? I always thought they installed the whole game and read it off the HD.
Next gen will probably have no physical media.
>>342917001
Its called shovelware
>>342917250
No, it has to do with the fact that 4 GB is bigger than 1.5 GB. You can fit more in one than the other.
>>342917264
>XBone sales
Holy shit, you think that's an accomplishment?
>>342917224
I wish it was 2010 again.
>>342917374
The ps2 has the quantity but it also has quality. It is an amazing game library
>>342917435
When you completely devastate your biggest competitor? Yeah, that's an accomplishment
>comes with 1tb hdd
>cartridges are only available for sale on ninty's website
>all purchases from stores are just download codes
>>342916738
When it comes to game sales, currently the top 3 best-selling on WiiU are:... Mario Kart 8 (7.5M)__New Super Mario Bros U (5.2M)__Nintendo Land (5.1M)__Top 3 best-selling on PS4 are:..Uncharted 4 (2.7M)_Killzone (2.1M)_Bloodborne (2M)__ What you cucks don't realize is that Nintendo consoles always had the best-sellings games of all generations.. If they cut the gimmick shit out (so they can get their 3rd parties back) and just make a home console that isn't underpowered, Nintendo will EASILY be world champs again, especially when you factor in that they already own the handheld market..
>>342917553
>biggest competitor
>Japan
>>342917352
Well, Nintendo didn't take a loss with DS/Wii era, also even If WiiU didn't sold well they made some profit. And 3ds is doing well.
Sony still have the massive loss from PS3 and Xbox brand is a fucking mess on microsoft.
They really little to worry about money. It's easy sit and watch their fight than getting involved. Also Microsoft is kinda phasing out of console business.
>>342917001
That's true, actually. Mikami even said he'd rather cut his own head off than develop games for PS2. Really, the only two consoles they had which were easy to program for, were PS1 and PS4. The idea that they've always made consoles which were 100% user friendly to devs is a myth.
>Nintendo goes full retard with cartridge
>no one wants to pay $80 per game
>NX dead before it's even born
Please make this happen.
>>342917001
So does the wii, everyone hates motion controls
>>342916968
No, but I'm pretty sure you are.
It doesn't matter how powerful the gamecube was or wasn't, you only had 1.5 gigs with those minidiscs, so shit had to be compressed.
If you're still too stupid to understand, higher quality textures and audio take up more space.
Some games got around this by having the gamecube version split up into multiple discs, but most multiplats didn't bother(because multiple discs costed more).
>>342917596
dude Black Ops 3 has over 13 million sales on the ps4, your source is outdated or total shit, probably both
>>342917864
>>no one wants to pay $80 per game
Games pretty much cost that nowadays anyway
>>342917473
Only 15% of games on ps2 are good
Maybe less
>>342917864
>no one wants to pay $80 per game
I wish new releases were only $80
>>342913041
>It will be kind of like how the New 3DS can play original Wii games.
Where are you getting this bullshit?
>>342917864
Good news anon, retards pay even more for AAA games.
You guys shouldn't be worry about Third parties but Nintendo first party support, Nintendo needs killer apps fast or shit going have massive droughts that killed WiiU. Third parties are just a consequence.
>>342917864
>3ds games are 40 bucks
> they use cartridges
>>342918152
>being Canadian or Australian
How many people still buy physical games?
For me
PC/PS4/XB1/Vita all digital
3DS/WiiU physical
I'd buy digital on Nintendo stuff if they had an actual account system.
>>342917596
The problem is Nintendo has to sell their systems for a profit. With the WiiU they made the poor choice of going with a discrete custom GPU and CPU hardware while their competition waited a bit longer and went for less customized system on chip hardware. That gave the PS4 and Xbone a significant advantage in performance per dollar which hit the WiiU with a double whammy.
Nintendo's best bet with new hardware is to either stick to their strongest market sector with a new portable, or try something new like disrupting all the retro consoles and holiday nostalgia systems with a new NES priced significantly lower than the competition. $149 for a system built around a modern SOC using modern APIs like Vulkan, but more similar in system power to something several years old and with strong game bundles.
>>342914362
Who says they would have they. Nintendo could easily eat part of the cost for them.
>>342918018
>>342918152
The reason companies include dlc, day one or otherwise, is because they need more money due to inflated budgets and people don't wanna pay more than the comfortable $60. If you think people are gonna be willing to pay $80 for the base game, then you're wrong.
>>342918250
>3ds games are like 4gb max
>Third party games are like 40gb
I know what you're gonna say next.
>I only buy Nintendo consoles for first party games
Sure, great. I'm sure Nintendo is killing off the Wii U because they were so happy with how well it did.
>>342917930
It's not just that it cost more, you would also need to design your game around the fact that only half of your data will ever be available without constantly asking the player to swap discs. Open world games would be a nightmare to play if multiple discs were involved.
>>342917596
That has got to be exclusives sales, because GTAV broke 10 million on both the PS4 and the One
>>342910804
His audience is retarded children and normies so of course it works
>>342909781
Nintendo fucking LOVES their proprietary hardware.
They don't like playing nice with the rest of the vidya companies.
>>342918394
>If you think people are gonna be willing to pay $80 for the base game, then you're wrong.
Are you an underage? that's basically what games cost back in the 90's. If they could deal with it then they can deal with it now
>>342918227
He's probably considering the XBC port as being a "Wii game" when it was actually a heavily downgraded port specifically made for 3DS
>>342918394
>If you think people are gonna be willing to pay $80 for the base game, then you're wrong.
But I'm saying people already pay more than that for the base game.
>>342918397
Anonymous this was the early 2000s, the only open world games were gta and it's knockoffs, something nintendo probably wouldn't have wanted on their consoles anyway.
>>342918613
That and people are paying $80 for titles on release anyways with DLC and shit.
>>342918613
>already forgetting the backlash over CoD being $80
>>342917965
I listed exclusive games, if Black Ops sold that much on PS4, i'm willing to bet Nintendo can make Black Ops sell double that if they put out a real home console that is PS4, XB1 tier; which many are claiming the NX is supposed to be.
I can see them doing this
rather than giving a single dime to sony for blu-ray
>>342911383
I hate mockups. Specially those that have shitty background music, cellphone designs and unrealistic specs.
>>342918613
No way. Nobody wants to pay above $50 for a game. Even then thats way too much for most AAA shovelware.
Besides that, the west is too poor to be paying those prices.
>>342917930
You are retarded. I never said anything about space not being an issue. I'm saying it's a myth that PS2 is more powerful. And of course it matters, if you think Gamecube's specs contributed nothing to the quality of how its games ran and look in comparison to PS2's then you would be mistaken.
>>342918531
They're not that bad. Since the Gamecube they've been using a customized version of PPC750, essentially the same hardware that Apple branded as their G4 chips years ago, their OS is a BSD derivative, and their APIs are based on OpenGL ES. With the NX its rumored that they're moving towards a Vulkan derived custom API and ARM hardware which would make NX development fairly similar to developing a modern game for other UNIX based platforms for ARM like Android, or GNU/Linux.
>>342918613
That's with a whole bunch of cut content sold at a premium. What motive do these companies had to not sell that at a premium too?
>buy injustice 2: fuck you Edition. Bonus content includes batman for $80 on ps4
>buy injustice 2: fucking poor addition for $80 on NX. No bonus content included.
Meanwhile,
>4K televisions becoming popular and are sold everywhere, but ultra HD content and players are hard to come by.
>Sony and Microsoft plan on releasing revised consoles that can upscale content to UHD, and play UHD blu-ray discs.
>>342909995
>If you have half a brain you would know theres no way in fuck this would happen
the only reason for BD disk still being used over cartridge is Production costs, that aside, cartridge are bette than BD in any sense
>>342918861
You literally replied to a guy explaining that yes, the minidisc capacity did have an effect on the gamecube in that it required shit to be compressed.
I guess you're too stupid to read the posts you're replying to though.
>>342918970
>>buy injustice 2: fuck you Edition. Bonus content includes batman for $80 on ps4
>>buy injustice 2: fucking poor addition for $80 on NX. No bonus content included.
Now that's just moving fucking goalposts
>>342918804
But my point was that Sony and Microsoft really just don't care about Nintendo, they absolutely crush them in terms of revenue. Those exclusives can't even outsell a game available on PC/Xbox/PS4 for any of the platforms.
They need to stop with the bullshit and building their massive wall in between Nintendo developers and everyone else because they are missing the train on modern gaming
As I said to begin with, they are lucky to have their laughably enormous savings right now, because if the NX is another gimmicky piece of shit they are in for some trouble
>>342919029
And have shit performance?
Nah I prefer 720p to 4k with shit framerate, also any 4k TV can upscale shit to 4k.
>>342919029
That's pretty smart of them, it's like the ps3 as a bluray player all over again.
>>342915115
It works for boogie2988.
>>342918754
It was just an example. Any game where you could access the content in a non-linear order (could be as simple as a racing game with a track select screen) would need extra considerations just for the Gamecube. Most developers just opted to make the Gamecube version look and sound worse so it could fit in 1.5 GB, or they just didn't bother with the platform at all.
>>342916043
Well, he's still big, I'll give him that.
>>342919147
>Those exclusives can't even outsell a game available on PC/Xbox/PS4 for any of the platforms
>An exclusive vs game on multiple platforms
Gee I fucking wonder which one is gonna sell more
>>342919127
Not at all. Why would people buy a more expensive base game on the NX when they can get the same shit for cheaper on another console.
Think of it like this. Those $80 games on ps4 are usually the deluxe editions that come with dlc. Then there's the base game that doesn't have the dlc for $60. Who the fuck would pay $80 for the base?
>>342918905
You think it maight be possible to re-compile nintendo games for linux?
>>342912742
It was never going to have BC with Wii U, it has an entirely different architectureplus it's not stationary
>>342919147
>Multiplats sell more than Exclusive
STOP THE FUCKING PRESS. We got hot news here.
>>342911849
>it won't change anything since Sony has monopolized the entire industry
cause no body else gives a fuck, nor is so scum to use sony tactics
>>342919372
You'd need the source code to their games and the libraries they used, and even then there would be more porting work to do.
>>342919294
Wished they had an adapter for lager disc size. I wouldn't have minded paying 50 bucks for that. But then again, the GC's CPU was kinda weak compared to the PS2's even if it's GPU blowed the fuck out of the PS2's out of the water
>>342919029
So I just had an eye exam and it turns out I'm legally blind.
I've been watching Bluray 1080p videos for years.
I get my first pair of glasses and put them on.
1080p looks amazing.
Shit is SO cash now.
>>342918394
Its 40gb because sony didnt want to pay foR the sound compression copyrights
Why do you think you cant use ps4 to play music the ps3 did
>>342919356
That is moving goalposts. You were arguing no one would pay $80 for a game and now you're you're arguing no one would pay $80 for a game compared to the cheaper platforms
>>342919331
No man, what I was saying was that split between three platforms if you take any of the sales numbers from any of those platforms, it outsells any nintendo game, as in GTAV sold 11 million on PS4 alone, 10 million + on One, and the remainder of the global 45 million copies on PC I would assume
>>342919294
Why did certain multiplats look and run better on Gamecube though?
>>342919452
More like Sony copied Nintendo's operating model from back in the day.
>>342919463
Fair enough.
>>342919432
The point is that Nintendo doesn't have those numbers for any of their games
>>342919581
GPU more powerful than the PS2's. Can do in one pass what you would render in 8 with the ps2's gpu.
>>342919553
You dense mother fucker. People pay $80 for dlc packed in. Base games are $60. I'm saying no one is going to want to pay $80 for a base game due to cartridges costing more to produce than discs.
>>342909781
They would be absolute fucking retards to go cartridge on a console. Hell consoles will go digital in the actual next gen(not this half gen bullshit) so going even further back fron progress is shooting themselves in the foot.
>>342919725
unless they are making a brand new cartridge technology that can store more than a disc
>>342919561
If you really believe that PC makes up the majority of gta's sales, you're stupid. Remember it released on 360/PS3 too. PC probably has the lowest sales for gta v.
>>342917351
Yes. PS2 hardware was shit compared to the Gamecube and Xbox.
>>342919561
>as in GTAV sold 11 million on PS4 alone, 10 million + on One, and the remainder of the global 45 million copies on PC I would assume
>Citation needed
>>342919581
Most games raped the audio before raping the textures with compression(you can save a lot more space compressing audio than textures). That combined with
>>342919718
Would be why it wasn't too uncommon to have a gamecube game look better than the ps2 version. It very rare for a GC multiplat to have comparable audio quality to the other consoles though.
>>342920005
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-5-ships-45-million-copies-including-10-million/1100-6425079/
>>342917351
Nintendo doesn't have the pull to determine console gens anymore. They are literally releasing a console mid gen, whether they like it or not.
>>342919847
Cool, so that helps my argument more
>Can't outsell a game split up between 5 platforms
>>342909995
The reason you have to install games on a PS4 even if you have the disc is because optical drives have become TOO SLOW for modern gaming.
advances in flash memory have made cartridges viable again
>>342909781
32 GB of a microSD is 10$ I don't see why not...
Enjoy your $80 marryo and zelda, nintendrones
;)
>>342920082
>"Grand Theft Auto V, the acclaimed open-world game from Rockstar, has now shipped more than 45 million copies worldwide to date, including 10 million on Xbox One and PlayStation 4"
That clearly says both of them combined, not both individually
>>342920062
I don't really recall any with different audio besides Skies of Arcadia. Which ones were different?
